♡ i am still building my first pc ever ♡

[spare sedge]

and i was like wtf

[orchid gate]

Half right 🤷‍♂️

[brave brook]

you only really lose 1-2 m.2s, and, some pcie expansion that would be covered anyway with the 4090

[spare sedge]

and it also seems like a lot of people in here are fuzzy on motherboards.

cause im guessing people mostly skip this step and just pick one that looks cool

thats insane to me tho

[orchid gate]

You’d have to consult someone like aldonist or hardwarebob in this server

But they despise inquisition, rather you’d take their word for it

[spare sedge]

yeah but this is also a generalization. maybe everything just varies from board to board and chipset doesnt decide anything at all

[orchid gate]

And this is where insults come in handy

how much of this would you really know?

[spare sedge]

like maybe theres an itx that has just what i need yk but i dont even know what i need yet

[orchid gate]

these are basically trade secrets, what you’re discussing

[brave brook]

first step, do you want itx or atx. atx has more pcie expansion, but the 4090 will cover it. itx has usually 2 m.2 slots, and plenty of usb

[spare sedge]

i have a list of features and i need to learn all of them

[orchid gate]

Why? Going to switch career to electronics engineer? Then you’re already behind

[brave brook]

chipset determines the amount of pcie expansion and usb

[brave brook]

features on a motherboard?

[spare sedge]

im willing to try a questionaire style pick and give examples sort of thing

[brave brook]

that really should be 1 on 1 if we do that

[spare sedge]

i have a stand in mb chosen as a filler so that we can also proceed but its just a good pick and not one that i chose. its just mainstream

[brave brook]

boom, chipsets

[spare sedge]

im willing to do something like that in a dm if thats easier for you guys

[orchid gate]

X670E means x670 extreme it seems

So PCIe 5.0 default somewhere

[spare sedge]

WAIT SO

[brave brook]

i think thats just another b650 and x670 chipset in serial respectively

[spare sedge]

x670e and x670 are wayy different then.

the e is for extreme and the x670e IS better than x670

[orchid gate]

doesn’t seem like it’s on many mainstream boards doe

[brave brook]

yes

[brave brook]

no, the "e" series is less common

[orchid gate]

Could you explain the term GPP

[brave brook]

that picture is exactly what ive been trying to tell you over and over again

[orchid gate]

mentioned in that chart

[brave brook]

what?

gigabits per second?

oh wait

[orchid gate]

I think it has to do with limiting bandwidth due to that PCIe 5.0 slot being occupied

But I’m usually given a wide berth for my guesses :p

[brave brook]

ill be honest ive never seen that before

heres the website
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/AMD-X670E-vs-X670-vs-B650E-vs-B650-2361/

[pearl heath]

Huh?

Also anything more than B650 on an ITX board is a waste

[brave brook]

its been clarified that that only applies to intel

[orchid gate]

explain

[brave brook]

yes

[pearl heath]

You cannot fit all the connectivity offered by any of the higher chipsets onto an ITX board, there is no space

[orchid gate]

Oh great

[pearl heath]

Unless you go into the extremely expensive boards but you're just wasting PCIe lanes at that point

[orchid gate]

Does the same apply to mATX?

[brave brook]

yeah, so for itx, its b series onlyh

[pearl heath]

Understand that X670E and X670 are identical, the E just means the motherboard has two of the chipset to allow for more connectivity

[brave brook]

i would say not as much

[pearl heath]

Well, you can fit more stuff on an mATX board, so you can make better use of the increased connectivity

[brave brook]

according to puget systems, the gpu pcie slots on the "e" chipsets are gen 5

[orchid gate]

Oh oh so you’re saying that increased connectivity is still there on ITX, but space constraints mean you can’t occupy them all simultaneously

[pearl heath]

Yeah

[orchid gate]

Hmm how do you think it would be with a Cooler Master NR200P?

[pearl heath]

You can't do more than one PCIe slot on ITX, so where do all those extra lanes go? M.2 slots that you aren't likely going to use?

[orchid gate]

Those can fit mATX even I think

[pearl heath]

What chipset motherboard you get depends entirely on what your connectivity requirements are
So that's something for your own research

[brave brook]

what?

[brave brook]

yeah, but dream will want an x670e regardless

[pearl heath]

I hope we can convince them of the stupidity of that decision

[brave brook]

yeah

[orchid gate]

Ah I meant the Max version

[brave brook]

what are you talking about

[pearl heath]

I hope Dream realises that lots of money does not equal good performance lol

[brave brook]

yes

[orchid gate]

Ignore

[pearl heath]

Maybe they want to get an RTX 4090 Matrix Platinum, without realising that that card shares its PCB with the Strix lol

[brave brook]

spent hours trying to convince her to get a $1600 4090 instead of an $1800 one

[brave brook]

no its an msi liquid suprim

[orchid gate]

They’re trying to research but I think their criteria is a detriment

Good to see a new face btw

[pearl heath]

I appreciate that they're trying to learn, but they seem to be a little adamant in their opinions

[orchid gate]

Yea, with the “more is better” philosophy

[brave brook]

yeah

especially with the vrms

that convo was shit

[orchid gate]

I missed it

[brave brook]

you missed nothing

all that happened that all the sensible options "had bad vrms"

even though every fucking 4090 has an overbuilt cooler and vrms

[orchid gate]

._.

consumes more power than it shows :p some forgot about it’s insane capability because of idle noise charts/temps

I’d like to see her run furmark or prime95 and set a challenge for dream to hit the same amount of CPU usage

wonder what she’ll do

[brave brook]

ask what they are for an hour

[pearl heath]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2YgHxH - $3738.93

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cmrXL9 - $2971.92

$800 cheaper and I'm not even trying, and it'll perform exactly the same lol

[brave brook]

does the liquid suprim 4090 even fit in itx cases?

[pearl heath]

pcpp verifies compatibility so I'd assume it does fit in that one lol

[brave brook]

it does say the power supply is too long

[pearl heath]

It says it might be an issue, not that it will be an issue

[brave brook]

the x670e itx 🤦

$350 more

[spare sedge]

i dont really think you should be talking about my financial decisions

[pearl heath]

Our goals when putting together a parts list to to preserve performance whilst saving as much money as possible for the buyer of said parts list

[spare sedge]

i understand price / perf. i dont have questions there.

cpu and gpu have been chosen

and they arent even lavish

just top market

[brave brook]

youre asking for help, and when an x670e itx motherboard will not offer any extra functionality, we are going to tell you that

[spare sedge]

we ultimately cant just dismiss high budget builders entirely.

[spare sedge]

i never decided on itx

[brave brook]

well, you should do that

[spare sedge]

its like you had a whole conversation about what mb i was going to pick without me being there

i was on break at work. now im not

[orchid gate]

Wow a radical hmm

[brave brook]

we were just discussing motherboards that may or may not be worth getting

[orchid gate]

We’re not exactly shaming you for willing to spend some $7k, but what individual manufacturer is gonna know that and give you the best? It’s a silicon lottery out there and we’re trying to minimise its negative effects

Also since it’s your first PC build you’ll overwhelm yourself when all the parts arrive, especially with a budget that affords all the parts

side note does am5 have integrated graphics in the 7—-X SKU CPUs

[brave brook]

its shit but yes, capable of displaying an image

[orchid gate]

Comparable to Intel?

[brave brook]

not at all

[orchid gate]

:-:

[brave brook]

you wont be gaming on it

[orchid gate]

Ah great

Even bigger handicap

[brave brook]

its basically just there in case your gpu dies or something

[orchid gate]

Can’t even have dream build GPU-less to see if everything else works

Ig she could still see if it posts

[brave brook]

but the ryzen 7000 g series is rumored to have really good performance (for an igpu)

[brave brook]

wdym

[vast geyser]

not just x sku

[brave brook]

its all of them

[orchid gate]

Alr are those comparable to raw CPU perf from X3D series :p

just out of interest

[pearl heath]

Let me ask my favourite source

[brave brook]

wdym

[pearl heath]

🔮

Hmm, says "out of order, try again tomorrow"

[orchid gate]

Oh

[brave brook]

wdym

[orchid gate]

Well it has better iGPU than an X series, what about just as a CPU

[spare sedge]

look we dont know what the total is going to come out to be until the end

[orchid gate]

When is the end????

[brave brook]

my guess is itll be slightly less performant, like the older g series

[orchid gate]

switching to spectator mode

[pearl heath]

You can just assign a budget now and we work off of that
Otherwise it'll count as an unlimited budget build

[spare sedge]

i literally left my break on a good note about mobos. and came back to this somehow

it is unlimited basically. i only put the 7k so that people leave me alone

[orchid gate]

Want me to depart too?

👋

[pearl heath]

We will still stick to attempting to reduce the price wherever possible
Because you really just don't need to spend that much? It's nice to have some money saved away for a rainy day when needed

[brave brook]

i say this all the time for "unlimited budget pcs"

even if you have all the money, doesnt mean you should try to spend it

[orchid gate]

It’s like housing

No house sells for a billion dollars

You could be a multi billionaire

But most of them don’t pay nearly their net worth for their accommodation (upon purchase)

Maybe you own the Giga Codex (medieval era book which Bill Gates bought for 30k?) but that’s still not a billion dollars

[brave brook]

so many people have been like "get custom watercooling, or a 13900ks"
custom watercooling is upwards of $1000 + maintenence. a 13900ks wont help your gaming performance, especially at 4k

[orchid gate]

Right yea

Just like how millionaires wouldn’t know how to farm (business tycoons)

[brave brook]

lol

[orchid gate]

but still rich

And sub Saharan Africa would laugh if you needed a crane or digger to build houses

[brave brook]

4090 + 7950x3d pcs can have wildly different prices

take for example, TheRandomess's pcpartpicker lists. $800 without trying

[spare sedge]

im not lmao

you guys are going based off stigma

[brave brook]

i didnt say you were. but "not crossing off items" even if they're wildy overpriced, or straight up useless, is borderline spending extra budget

that may seem mean, or insensitive, but we are trying to help you make the right decisions

[spare sedge]

like what?

[spare sedge]

i didnt see that list

[brave brook]

@spare sedge

[vast geyser]

if only it was that simple

[brave brook]

if only

[spare sedge]

alright im on lunch

okay for starters. that pny card is ass

and the ram isnt the ram i chose

ofc you arent trying. if i wanted to go pick someone else cpu or cpu or ram i could do that right now for them

i cant believe you are mad at me for considering the hof

still

[spare sedge]

in the post it is marked as 2 - 7k

[spare sedge]

what does this even mean lmao

[thorn portal]

bro how long does it take to figure out what parts you need 😭

[spare sedge]

im not going to be overwhelmed.

[vast geyser]

only difference youre gonna see is when you cool it with LN2

[spare sedge]

i work 5 days a week

[spare sedge]

i already have a gpu chosen. and i already have a 2nd or 3rd pick lined up.

why we trying to change it to this pny card

[vast geyser]

see the issue with the gpu you picked is a bit of an interesting one

"issue"

[spare sedge]

all of the pny cards are ass

[vast geyser]

basically
kinda fucks up some case compatibility and looks a bit trash

[spare sedge]

how is it an issue

[spare sedge]

i have chosen a case yet

so how on earth is there compat issues??

[vast geyser]

cause you need space for a 240mm aio

[spare sedge]

okay and?

[vast geyser]

+another possible aio with the cpu

[spare sedge]

i havent chosen a cpu cooler??

[vast geyser]

possible

emphasis on that word

+again, it would look horrendous

[spare sedge]

okay well you do understand that when the time comes to make a decision on another part that i can literally just change it out for another optiom

[spare sedge]

okay this is just subjective

[vast geyser]

ok so like you have white and pink stuff then black tubing

and a black radiator

[spare sedge]

i havent chosen a case yet or colors. pink would be nice

[vast geyser]

you understand what im talking about right

[spare sedge]

you are basically just telling me the suprim x liquid looks ugly which is so dumb

[vast geyser]

would look ugly with a pink setup

[spare sedge]

i dont even want to talk about cosmetics right now

[vast geyser]

and if youre spending that much money, at least make it look nice

[spare sedge]

cosmetics are last

i might go lavish on cosmetics but im not there yet

[vast geyser]

cause you can just go for any aircooled model and it would perform the same, but also not look as terrible

[spare sedge]

i have watched videos and am starting to get ideas

[spare sedge]

yeah and cause ik basically everything i need to know about gpus i can literally swap it out in like 3 secs

[vast geyser]

ok then

[spare sedge]

just spent half my lunch justifying past decisions.

[pearl heath]

Yeah sure you can swap out cards on a whim
Stuff like going to a white Asus model would work nicely if you wanted to do a white/pink build

[vast geyser]

gigabyte aero is like $500 less

[spare sedge]

yeah i could do tbat. if i want to go +$600 for white and less vrm and aircooler thats on par with the suprim x liquid's aio thats also 100 mm bigger and +1 hdmi 2.1

or i could go +$300 and go black instead for the same thing

[vast geyser]

or a gigabyte aero

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JMZXsY/gigabyte-aero-oc-geforce-rtx-4090-24-gb-video-card-gv-n4090aero-oc-24gd

its sexy

[spare sedge]

i dont like gigabyte

[vast geyser]

:(

any specific reason

or is vrms again

[spare sedge]

ive heard bad things

gigabyte made it into top 10 for me

top 8 even

[vast geyser]

about the customer support i suppose?

[spare sedge]

just about the compamy

in here

[vast geyser]

yeah i assume customer support them

retype it

[spare sedge]

nah

[vast geyser]

..ok

[spare sedge]

im not on gpu tho

so what does it mean by third party cooler

[vast geyser]

i assume waterblocks for custom loops

[spare sedge]

no this is about air coolers

[vast geyser]

the first part is about air coolers
Then it talks about third party, which prob means custom looping

[brave brook]

Why is it ass

[brave brook]

We want to change it because the pny card is actually msrp

[brave brook]

3rd party refers to any cpu cooler not included in the cpu box, because that is what that is talking about

[spare sedge]

msrp isnt msrp anymore. the fe is $1800-$2000

im already buying cheaper than fe

[vast geyser]

mrsp is msrp
its $1600

[brave brook]

$1600 is msrp

[spare sedge]

not anymore

[vast geyser]

just cause the FE is overpriced doesnt mean thats its new msrp

[brave brook]

That’s objectively wrong

[spare sedge]

it launched and thats what msrp really is but that doesnt matter at all

you are chasing a price thats not there.

[brave brook]

Even if $1800 is msrp, that only means the pny is cheaper than msrp

[vast geyser]

OOS

[spare sedge]

if the idea is oh i want a 4090 but i cant afford $1700 then you shouldnt get a 4090.

[vast geyser]

just cause amazon has overpriced stuff doesnt mean thats its new msrp

[spare sedge]

you should get an xtx

[spare sedge]

thats not the amazon price

its the cheapest fe you can get right now

[spare sedge]

im not saying its the launch price.

the real msrp

i already know that doesnt change

[brave brook]

Msrp is the launch price, and will always be the launch price, and it never changes

So don’t say “msrp isn’t msrp anymore”

[spare sedge]

im just saying comparatively or relatively speaking you cant get the fe at $1600 so chasing that especially by trying to chase the msrp for me is HORRIBLE

[brave brook]

Again, why

[spare sedge]

i literally just said this

[vast geyser]

FE isnt $1600 but every other gpu is..

ok maybe not every other

[brave brook]

Not every other, but multiple

[spare sedge]

thats not true at all

[brave brook]

That pny one, and the zotac trinity, are a couple

[vast geyser]

mispoken

[spare sedge]

the zotac trinity is dogshit

[brave brook]

How do you know

[vast geyser]

according to your own testing, the airo is pretty good though

[spare sedge]

im so fucking tired of talking about the zotac trinity with you lmao

and this fucking pny card

[spare sedge]

wtf is the airo

[vast geyser]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9x4Ycf/zotac-gaming-amp-extreme-airo-geforce-rtx-4090-24-gb-video-card-zt-d40900b-10p

[brave brook]

I hear you shouting out “oh this is bad, but this other one is good” when you learned 80%+ from us

[spare sedge]

i dont like the shitty airo either lmao

[vast geyser]

"shitty" anyway

anyway lets stop talking about gpus ig

[spare sedge]

youre allowed to have your own preferences

[vast geyser]

brick awll

[spare sedge]

about time

1h of nothing

[brave brook]

I just want you to bare in mind that the liquid suprim may not fit in the case, depending on what it is

[spare sedge]

i am already aware

obviously i can swap if i need to

but its not going to be zotac or trinity or gigabyte lmao

[brave brook]

Out of curiosity, what is your “second option”?

[spare sedge]

maybe gigabyte actually but not 2nd option

gigabyte was actually to 5

top*

[vast geyser]

cheapest white gpu that looks nice

[spare sedge]

2nd option would probably have to be the rog strix honestly

[spare sedge]

hey look. ik you love white. but i actually kind of dont care about white

[vast geyser]

mb never suggesting stuff for the pc to look nice again

[brave brook]

pny then, ez, but you wont listen to reason so whatever

[lavish nexus]

Honestly I’d go w the MSI suprim it runs cool and performs great

[brave brook]

the same can be said of every other 4090 tbh

[pure mica]

Not all of them

[vast geyser]

kinda all of them

[brave brook]

all 4090s have overbuilt coolers. thats basically a fact

[lavish nexus]

Yea

[pure mica]

God dont ping

[lavish nexus]

I went with the 7900 xtx cause I can’t justify $1600 for a gpu

And it runs super cool

[brave brook]

what?

[pure mica]

You pinged and it annoying

[vast geyser]

put yourself on DND

[pure mica]

Still we will get the icon of the ping

[brave brook]

its just a reply. dont expect me to specifically turn of reply ping for you

[pure mica]

Well if i ask you to not ping you need to lol it rule 😂

[brave brook]

rule where, here or TOS

[vast geyser]

you cant be serious

a small 1 here bothers you that much

[pure mica]

Still

What gpu you got 09creeperboy

[brave brook]

3050

why?

[pure mica]

Curious

[brave brook]

wbu

[vast geyser]

how did u end up with that

[pure mica]

4090 strix

[vast geyser]

dick measuring competition

[pure mica]

[pure mica]

Let see what you got then

[vast geyser]

what do i gain from it

[brave brook]

it was last year, and i didnt know near as much as i do now

[vast geyser]

fair

[brave brook]

nice to know you spent $1900 on your gpu

[pure mica]

Nice to know but i paid half the price

[vast geyser]

hey, if it works it works!

[brave brook]

how does that work

[vast geyser]

some type of discount most likely

or bought a gun and a ski mask for $950

[pure mica]

Well i just got paid to other half by friend and familly

[brave brook]

yeah, multiple people have said its bad

[pure mica]

It is bad for gaming but as normal everyday use it okay

[brave brook]

so it was still a full $1900. so you spent as much on your gpu, as i did on my whole pc

(my pc was $1000)

[pure mica]

Keeping my pc for years thought like this build will stay like that for more then 5 years to come

[brave brook]

its not bad for gaming. it may be bad price to performance

[vast geyser]

could have bought a gpu that fits your needs now, and in a few years buy another one for half the price of the 4090 that performs better tbh

[brave brook]

oooof, you futureproofed....

[pure mica]

Na lol just how i justify the price to my parent lol

[vast geyser]

eh

[brave brook]

still futureproofing lol

[pure mica]

I guess but will i be tempted by a new one yes probably totally but i will try to resist

[vast geyser]

my 6700xt will work nicely for the years to come

since i dont play the newer titles

unless its some really good one ig, hasnt happened yet

[pure mica]

I mostly use my gpu for render of my mega 3d model project and some gaming sometime but not so much

[brave brook]

lol

my friend just bought the parts to his pc. got a 3060 12gb 😭

[vast geyser]

why would i spend $70 on a probably shitty game now when i can play older ones for free fr

[pure mica]

I see

[vast geyser]

god i need another monitor so bad

i need to play ets2 while watching youtube so i can be a true driver

[lavish nexus]

Well and tbh in time alot of games becomes better optimized yano…if you exclude cyberpunk that game is just a mess

[brave brook]

people have told me radeon is worse than nvidia for drivers. how is the 6700xt. are there any driver issues?

[vast geyser]

anyway uhh lets not talk here

[brave brook]

yeah

[vast geyser]

god damn it why are there only 2 tech channels

[lavish nexus]

I’ve got it and love it

Just upgraded to the 7900 xtx tho

Performs wonderfully in 4K but the random crashes bug tf outta me

[vast geyser]

fr same

when life is the best they just randomly crash

[lavish nexus]

My 6700 xt never crashed tho

[vast geyser]

my first few months were full of crashing and i had to RMA my gpu once

[lavish nexus]

I jus used older drivers

Unfortunately I can’t do that with the 7900 xtx the newest drivers are the best currently lol

[brave brook]

oooooo

[lavish nexus]

Least wattage usage and best performance

[vast geyser]

had to learn to disable MPOs then they quieted down

[lavish nexus]

Amd drivers are always terrible like 8-9 months after the first release of a new product

[vast geyser]

nah i bought it way after release

it was last year

[lavish nexus]

The 6950 xt is just now been ironed out to where it’s a very nice playable experience

[pure mica]

Fact

[vast geyser]

for $600 its a crazy deal

[lavish nexus]

Yup especially if you get a OC edition

[brave brook]

i guess it was just the card?

[lavish nexus]

Probably cause my 6700 xt hasn’t had issues since launch

[vast geyser]

no the crashes happened on the old and new card

[lavish nexus]

Idk what to tell you about that then

[brave brook]

oh?

[lavish nexus]

I’ve got a MSI Mech 2X gaming OC and it legit never crashes

[vast geyser]

again, disabling MPOs fixed it, but i still get some random ass crashes

i think they used to crash like daily, now its much rarer

[lavish nexus]

I undervolt and overclock idk I never have issues

I have SAM enabled too it’s pretty smooth

[vast geyser]

holy hell the new updates really tuned down the idle power

[lavish nexus]

I haven’t had a crash on the 6700 xt in over a year

[vast geyser]

from like 40w idle to now like 10-20

[lavish nexus]

Yea it did haha the 7900 xtx used to idle at like 120w now 50w

[vast geyser]

120w idle????

[lavish nexus]

Yup

It was quiet nutty

[vast geyser]

thats like over half of my 6700xt at full blast

[lavish nexus]

Soooo many people were complaining about 7000 series power consumption

Yup lol

It still idles at around 80w if I put my res to 4K 144hz

So I just run it at 120hz

It’s kinda sickening considering the 4090 sits at 20w-ish during idle

[vast geyser]

ada efficiency is the best

[lavish nexus]

Though…. I’m sure the 7000 series will get even lower

It’s still fairly new

It’s funny cause so many YouTubers said 7000 series was absolutely garbage and a terrible buy simply. But driver improvements have really pushed the cards a lot farther. Along with price drops the 6950 xt and 7900 xt are really hard to decide between cause they only differ in $100ish but have pretty substantial difference in performance

[spare sedge]

you wont listen to me

[brave brook]

im not?

[spare sedge]

yeah i mean i told you i dont like the pny like 1000 times lol

[spare sedge]

6000 ada is garbage

[pure mica]

I like the strix and the suprim x the most

[vast geyser]

huh

[spare sedge]

i hate how the strix looks

[pure mica]

Got the strix lol

It great performance

[vast geyser]

its a brick

[vast geyser]

its a 4090 that costs $300 more than others for the same performance

[pure mica]

Ye and lol i like brick i study in architecture 🤪

[pure mica]

Mine is overclocked

[vast geyser]

ok?

you can overclock any gpu..

[pure mica]

It got a biger cooler so i can overclock more lol

[vast geyser]

thats a wrong way to think about it

[pearl heath]

Overclocking on 4090s is mostly just down to power limit and silicon lottery

[pure mica]

Look like i got a good silicon

[pearl heath]

Every cooler on every 4090 is overbuilt so

[vast geyser]

using 2x more watts for 5% performance increase

[pure mica]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-pilled-gif-19289988

[pearl heath]

Or same power but more performance if you undervolt

[vast geyser]

fr

one of the graphs of all time

this ones funnier

[brave brook]

You still haven’t told me why

[viscid plover]

Architecture in quebec? Oo

[pure mica]

?

[viscid plover]

in what country u study architecture?

i made an assumption u are french cause of ur discord name

[spare sedge]

excuse me?

[brave brook]

or if you have, i missed it or forgot

[maiden pasture]

lmao this is alr back up to 4500 comments

insane

[brave brook]

Nvm, just forget about it, sorry

[spare sedge]

its okay

[spare sedge]

so a stock cooler is the one it comes with?

do they always come with a stock cooler?

[brave brook]

its just ryzen 3 and ryzen 5, i think. partly because the stock cooler isnt enough to cool higher end chips

[teal pond]

stock cooler doesnt look the best either (even though that part doesn’t matter very much)

[dapper crescent]

The early ryzen 7s had it

[orchid gate]

Perhaps we should just find her a component when asked for and nod along

At this budget there’s no harm in it, except for acting ethical and such to save money

[orchid gate]

The only time I post I’m acting an ass, so I’ll quit talking altogether

[brave brook]

Cooler is a big personal preference, just sayin

[teal pond]

Yes

[orchid gate]

^

I’d like to be pinged once this is over pls

[brave brook]

Don’t count on literally anyone to remember, much less care

[orchid gate]

Ik I’ll just watch

[brave brook]

Guarantee you can’t keep quiet but we’ll see. That’s how I started lol

[orchid gate]

Maybe throw in an emoji or two then

[brave brook]

Lol

[orchid gate]

I live off the science; none of you will remain quiet for long, so I can [stay quiet]

[spare sedge]

i didnt know it came with a cooler

which part does the free cooler come with

[vast geyser]

cpu

[pearl heath]

Some CPUs come with coolers, some don't

Pcpartpicker warns you if the latter is the case

[spare sedge]

wait so some dont get a stock cooler either?

[pearl heath]

Some don't, yeah

[spare sedge]

so not the motherboard??

[vast geyser]

nope

[spare sedge]

thats so weird.

[vast geyser]

not really

[pearl heath]

Motherboard comes with some sata cables and maybe WiFi antennas that's about it

[spare sedge]

i mean kind of

the box is small.

[vast geyser]

would just drive the costs up

[spare sedge]

oh really?

[pearl heath]

CPU boxes could be so much smaller if they didn't include a cooler

[spare sedge]

exactly

[pearl heath]

Well
That should be the case
Usually they pad a big box extra and then shove the little CPU in the side

[vast geyser]

and yet i have to use paper straws

[pearl heath]

Anyway CPUs come with the cooler because different CPUs need different coolers

Higher TDP...etc even though that doesn't matter and you'd be replacing the heatsink anyway

[spare sedge]

my sleep schedule is getting better. i rested already after work. so i can look into pc building til 1pm

[spare sedge]

is there a thermal point that parts can't reach?

and if there is, what is it, and what happens when parts get that hot.

[pearl heath]

Modern CPUs will shut down if their cores reach 112°C or so

That will never happen most of the time cause your average good heatsink or AiO will top out at about 80C at worst

[spare sedge]

shut down or die

[pearl heath]

Shut down

CPUs don't just die

They are extremely resilient

[spare sedge]

thats good.

so at 112, they touch it and shut down only and then try to cool off.

what about other parts?

[vast geyser]

if the gpu reaches 115C it usually throttles

[pearl heath]

Same deal

[pearl heath]

95C*

[vast geyser]

idk depends on the gpu

[pearl heath]

Graphics cards also auto shutdown if they get too hot

[vast geyser]

doesnt radeon have a higher hotspot limit

[pearl heath]

But no modern CPU or graphics card gets that hot anyway because any modern cooler is good enough

[pearl heath]

Hotspot vs. GPU average lol

[vast geyser]

ah

[pearl heath]

Hotspot throttles, GPU average shuts down

[vast geyser]

yeah makes sense

[spare sedge]

what about too cold?

[vast geyser]

isnt really an issue

[pearl heath]

That is a side you don't have to worry about

[spare sedge]

whats the lowest temperature

[pearl heath]

Like very much don't have to worry about at all

You only worry about cold issues if you're playing with liquid nitrogen or liquid helium

[vast geyser]

the lowest temperature is that of liquid helium and a dream

[spare sedge]

so gpu doesnt turn off, it just throttles which is in reference about performance

[vast geyser]

yeah

[spare sedge]

and that usually starts at 95 degrees?

is there a shut down temperature for gpus

[vast geyser]

apparently when its 95C

all around

[spare sedge]

i have heard of gpus dying

[vast geyser]

yeah can happen

unlikely though

[spare sedge]

i think amd has a rated maximum on their cpus of about 95 degrees too. and i have heard a lot about ~90 degrees being the point when cpus start to get damaged. its always around 90

[spare sedge]

do you know the death temperature

[vast geyser]

depends on the silicon

[spare sedge]

it doesnt seem like its based on individual purchase. these parts have rated maximums

[pearl heath]

Over 150C ig

Maybe?

Eh, when it's not on probably the temperature at which it desolders itself from the substrate lol

[spare sedge]

or is it like hearts and blood pressure. you dont instantly die if your blood pressure spikes but for every minute you are above the limit, you basically roll the die

[pearl heath]

Not really

Silicon can withstand high temp operation for quite a long time

Reference R9 290s ran at 95°C average and plenty are alive and well today

[spare sedge]

so then that means there is a for sure max and it doesnt depend on the silicon

[pearl heath]

Yes

[spare sedge]

i will try to look into the max numbers for all parts

[vast geyser]

thats genuinely unecessary

you wont get there

[vast geyser]

i mean when you put a blowgun next to heat up the die
wont it depend on the silicon how much it lasts

[spare sedge]

i thought maybe with ocing it could depend on silicon but thats it

[spare sedge]

i will tho

[spare sedge]

i mean this is exactly why i act the way i do. to mitigate this. if we dont work together, it'll just take longer. im way too good at what i do.

[vast geyser]

on which component

..anyway

[spare sedge]

well ig the case max temp doesnt really matter

but psu max temps and ram temps are all important

[vast geyser]

yeahhh gl hitting max temps on ram

[spare sedge]

not gonna just gloss over cpu coolers obviously

[spare sedge]

what?

[vast geyser]

or on psu

[vast geyser]

they dont heat up all that much

[spare sedge]

i said nothing about trying to intentionally heat up my psu or ram

[pearl heath]

And they won't ever reach a temperature where they will die

Like, for RAM it's quite literally impossible since they don't produce enough heat to damage themselves in that way

And PSUs have fans to keep themselves cool always

[spare sedge]

what about throttle speeds

[pearl heath]

A CPU and GPU will throttle to prevent themselves ever hitting too high a temperature

[spare sedge]

throttle is different from shutting down

[pearl heath]

RAM doesn't suffer from this, just CPU and GPU

[spare sedge]

what about ssd or hdd

[pearl heath]

Throttling is where they clock down until temperatures get back to safe values, then they clock right back up

[pearl heath]

Temperatures are not an issue for those

Ever

[vast geyser]

pcie 5.0 ssds are a bit of something, but shouldnt be an issue

[spare sedge]

okay but this means that clocking down will hurt performance

[vast geyser]

yeah

[grave spade]

If you’ve reached those temps something has gone seriously wrong. And with the amount of people helping here I don’t think that will happen

[spare sedge]

wym by this. ik what 5.0 is.

[vast geyser]

they heat up. quite a bit.

[spare sedge]

well ig i dont plan on it

[grave spade]

Fast but hot

[grave spade]

Good

[vast geyser]

only for the most dedicated of file movers

[grave spade]

And rich

Watch us in 10 years have to buy aio loops for ssds

I guess Corsair already has kinda

[pearl heath]

That is correct

And you will literally never reach those temperatures lol

[spare sedge]

so stock coolers ≠ tower cooler

[grave spade]

Correct

[vast geyser]

no

tower coolers look like towers

[spare sedge]

that looks like half of one i saw

so stock coolers are smaller then

thats why i was confused about it fitting in the cpu box

i was like theres no way

[spare sedge]

so the fan cools down the heat sink

and the heat sink is like a conductive metal

like copper or something

[vast geyser]

yeah

[spare sedge]

with conductive metals you need to make contact tho i thought

[vast geyser]

might be aluminum

idk

[spare sedge]

so like how does the heat sink touch the hotspot

in this case the cpu?

[vast geyser]

it just goes over the entire cpu

and it conducts the heat all the way to the fins

then the air cools the fins

[spare sedge]

ohh so when people say fins, they mean the heatsink

[vast geyser]

i mean there are the fins

[spare sedge]

yeah

but when i was watching a video, someone said fins and i was like huh

[grave spade]

The heat sink refers to the whole cooling assembly

Regardless whether or not it has “fins”

[spare sedge]

are there heatsinks without fins?

[grave spade]

Yes

Ram doesn’t have fins

[spare sedge]

how does it touch the part its cooling

[grave spade]

The black stuff is the heat sink

[spare sedge]

ram heatsinks are just a metal case so the contact is simple

[grave spade]

Heat made by cpu > cpu IHS > thermal paste/any other medium > heat sink base > heat pipes > stack fins

Then to the air

[vast geyser]

yep

[pearl heath]

Fins are not what makes contact ofc

[spare sedge]

whats the ihs

[vast geyser]

smth like this is what makes contact

[grave spade]

Integrated heatspreader

[open lava]

There are ram fans but doubt you’ll need or want

[grave spade]

Google for picture

[vast geyser]

the gray part of the gpu

[pearl heath]

The metal top part of the CPU

[vast geyser]

5nail5's ram fan is the coolest

[spare sedge]

i guess i didnt realize how integral the base was

[spare sedge]

so youre telling me that thing touches the cpu directly and pushes it into the socket? 💀

[vast geyser]

no?

what

you push the cpu into the socket

[spare sedge]

ik that

[spare sedge]

but how else would the base make contact

[grave spade]

Please don’t push the cpu

[vast geyser]

its just on top of the cpu

[grave spade]

^

[vast geyser]

with thermal paste in the middle

dream its not that complicated

[spare sedge]

ohh yeah sure the thermal paste is gonna protect the cpu lmao

[grave spade]

Watch a build tutorial for installing the cpu cooler and you’ll understand

[vast geyser]

u think it hurts the cpu?

[spare sedge]

does the thermal paste go on the cpu

[vast geyser]

yes

[spare sedge]

so whats this ihs

where does it go

[grave spade]

Nowhere

[spare sedge]

on top of the paste?

[vast geyser]

its the cpu

[grave spade]

It’s on the cpu

[spare sedge]

oh

[grave spade]

Google a picture

It’s hard to explain verbally

[vast geyser]

imagine this but squished togethert

[grave spade]

Good drawing

[vast geyser]

:3

[pearl heath]

The IHS is the metal cap atop the silicon of the CPU

[vast geyser]

u make me blush

[pearl heath]

The CPU, when looked at from the top, is as follows:
IHS
Thermal interface
Silicon
Substrate

[vast geyser]

@open lava why are you laughing huh? you think you can do better?

[spare sedge]

saw a bunch of these

but all i see is a cpu and a lid

[grave spade]

It’s also sometimes called the “lid”

[pearl heath]

That is a delidded 6600k

[vast geyser]

thats the ihs

[spare sedge]

oh okay

[pearl heath]

The thing on the left is the heatspreader, that has been removed

The thing on the right, the little blackish square, that's the silicon

That's the actual heat producing part

[spare sedge]

i got it now

heatspreader = lid = ihs

[pearl heath]

All of the computer thinking is done in that piece of funny sand

[grave spade]

🙏

[vast geyser]

i cant believe how thats sand

[spare sedge]

they use sand? like minecraft?

like glass

[vast geyser]

fr

[open lava]

Lool

[grave spade]

In a way

[spare sedge]

thats crazy

[open lava]

How far on build now?

[grave spade]

No

[spare sedge]

im just reading an article on cpu coolers

to find out the types

is am5 PGA?

[grave spade]

LGA

[spare sedge]

thats hilarious

[grave spade]

Why

[spare sedge]

intel really just be, a bag of chips named bag of chips

cause intel names them lga

[grave spade]

Huh

[spare sedge]

unless intel isnt lga either

thatd be even funnier

[grave spade]

Intel is lga

LGA - land grid array
PGA - pin grid array

[spare sedge]

yeah ik

[grave spade]

But what’s the joke

[spare sedge]

intel's socket is called lga1700

[grave spade]

I’m not getting it

[open iris]

🤔

[pearl heath]

And AM5 is LGA1718

[open iris]

The numbers are the number of pins

[grave spade]

Humour: 100

[lavish nexus]

The 7900 xtx outperforms it in pure raster also

That with the price difference is why I went amd… again😂

[vast geyser]

huh

no it doesnt

4090 is far superior

[lavish nexus]

It does for sure at 1440p

Not in all games tho

I saw one benchmark comparing fortnite and some other game non rt

[vast geyser]

mm no it doesnt

[lavish nexus]

https://youtu.be/lFGuCZZaJPw

This is the one I watched I guess I remembered it wrong it is only present when turning down graphics settings that it outperforms

Idk for an average of $600 less tho for similiar raster performance the 4090 isn’t worth it unless you just wanna spend money

[vast geyser]

yes thats true

but its not better than a 4090

[lavish nexus]

Idrc about RT tbh

And the new AV1 encoder on the 7000 series is pretty solid for streaming and recording

It was tempting to buy the 4080 when I bought mine but the 7900 is a more powerful card in raster so I said screw it. Plus I’m RT the 7900 xtx is still pretty decent

[vast geyser]

testing the 4090 at 1440p has gotta be a sin

[lavish nexus]

Nahhhhhh you get all the fps

I run mw2 at 1440p extreme on my card. Or 4K ultra

[vast geyser]

its a 4090

its made for 4k

its like its baby

[lavish nexus]

Well yea so is the 7900 xtx but no point in playing fps shooters in 4K when you could get a more stable 1440p gameplay

I only really use 4K in cinematic titles where fps doesn’t matter as much

[spare sedge]

this was helpful

learned about immersion cooling

and custom cooling loops

[open iris]

luke was meant to get a submerged in oil pc wonder whatever happened to that plan

[vast geyser]

prob realized its bad

[open iris]

he was well aware it just would be funny

think the point was linus would give him a free upgrade to his nas and pc but thats the twist

[pearl heath]

He already had

Luke was hired in part due to his mineral oil PC

[open iris]

i know in the past but i mean he was meant to get a new one

and instead of oil it was this other new liquid idk

it was in a wan show like 4 months ago

https://youtu.be/TL6qOGkoknM?t=308 they first talked about it here but they did follow it up on a few wan shows after i think but i also dont watch most of them so idk what the story is now

[lavish nexus]

Yes oil does not dissipate heat well at all.

[vast geyser]

that doesnt seem that complicated of a project

just put the pc in a fish tank with mineral oil, no?

[brave brook]

Pretty sure it holds more heat though

[lavish nexus]

Yes but it doesn’t dissipate it very well so you’re just pumping more heat back to the cpu or gpu. That’s why it hold more heat

[pearl heath]

Still need radiators to dissipate heat

[teal pond]

4090 outperforms everything lol

[lavish nexus]

Those 12pin connectors are still pretty sketch tho ngl

No idea why they didn’t just put a 24pin or stay w the 3 8 pins

[gusty elm]

they couldn't confirm that the liquid they wanted to use would be safe around his birds

[brave brook]

The problem with them is the clip lets it slide out part way without disconnecting

[lavish nexus]

Yea shotty connection

But still that’s a lot of power through 12 pins vs the same amount of power through 24 pins with a triple 8 pin

[copper quest]

Did u delete ur other one @spare sedge ?

[vast geyser]

mods closed it

[brave brook]

It’s archived (you can still find messages in it)

[spare sedge]

what are SKUs

[spare sedge]

hm still lost

[pearl heath]

There are different SKUs of a 6700 XT
Ones from PowerColor, ones from Sapphire

[spare sedge]

i guess im just confused between AIBs and SKUs then. especially in the case of GPUs

[pearl heath]

SKUs are the products, AIBs are the people producing them

[brave brook]

SKU is usually a set of numbers unique to any one product

I just “figured that out” today at Menards

[orchid gate]

CPU cooling solved?

[spare sedge]

so like the model number or part number

[orchid gate]

Correct

Like 7950X3D or RTX 4090

Usually the shortened terms we type to save on time and still deliver intelligible responses are SKUs :p

[vast geyser]

tbh, might be better to look for case, then check cooling

[spare sedge]

oh these arent the part numbers tho

so its not that either

so SKU refers to the part without the AIB

[vale prairie]

Are you still choosing an aib?

[spare sedge]

but its like more broad than gpu

[spare sedge]

no

[vale prairie]

Okay which did you pick

[spare sedge]

cause 4090 is just the gpu

aib would be surpim x liquid which is what i chose

[vale prairie]

Good chose

[spare sedge]

highest vrms and best cooler for the price

only beaten in vrms by hof which doesnt matter

only beaten in cooling by neptune and waterforce

on par with the rog in terms of performance and temperature

smaller than the rog but has a rad which will hurt volume im guessing

aesthetic is apparently not a fan favorite tho

and no 2nd hdmi 2.1

cheaper than the fe as well

only +200 msrp

[vast geyser]

im just saying it might look out of place in a pink aesthetic

[spare sedge]

yeah i can swap later for aesthetic

maybe even spray paint a rog

[pearl heath]

Warranty bye bye

[vast geyser]

yeah.. warranty for gpus is pretty important..

[spare sedge]

that would make sense

[open iris]

Vinyl wrap it so you can remove it whenever you need warranty

Genius honestly

[vast geyser]

or plastidip

[spare sedge]

so with air coolers theres 3 types

stock coolers
tower coolers (ctype)
low profile coolers

and then with water coolers theres 3 types.
aio
custom water loops
immersion cooling

is there anything i am missing. any other options to consider

also what is SFF

[vast geyser]

sff is itx

[vast geyser]

i can cut down 3 of the options

immersion cooling, stock, and low profile

[spare sedge]

why tf do people call it sff sometimes. thats so annoying

[vast geyser]

meh

[spare sedge]

oh so you are saying dont choose these at all

[vast geyser]

yep

[spare sedge]

give your reasoning for each one

[pearl heath]

SFF stands for Small Form Factor

[vast geyser]

immersion cooling: complicated, usually messy
stock coolers: cant cool it
low profile: ig it could work but why limit yourself if youre spending so much on a gpu

[spare sedge]

so sff could be almost anything thats not atx or maybe matx and its just a catch all phrase since cooling in itx is diverse cause the cases vary more between cases

[spare sedge]

is low profile a budget option?

[vast geyser]

low profile coolers cost more than towers

theyre just good if youre building SFF and have very limited space
for example the fractal ridge

[pearl heath]

You can have an SFF ATX case

[spare sedge]

i dont care about stock coolers but i did see a ltt video that basically proved that stock coolers are good enough for gaming only except for 13900k +

[vast geyser]

yeah but uh, why would you do that

theyre loud, and hot

[spare sedge]

obviously tho not a thing for my workstation loads with multicore heat

[open iris]

Yeah noise is a big factor to why i replaced the stock cooler on my damn i3 lmao

[spare sedge]

in the ltt video no stock cooler could handle productivity tasks

but a cheapo air cooler seems good enough for everything including the 13900k in that video

as long as it isnt stock

[spare sedge]

how

no cliff hangers

[open iris]

Does the 13900k even come with a stock cooler

[pearl heath]

https://www.sfftime.com/p-atx

[spare sedge]

i hear it does

[spare sedge]

oh so sff refers more to the case not the form factor of the mb

and its a group type of minimalist cases

[open iris]

Jsut checked it doesn't

[spare sedge]

oh

thats weird tho

[open iris]

I think after i7 x700 they stop adding the stock cooler

[spare sedge]

makes sense ig

[open iris]

And amd after whatever idk

[spare sedge]

since they are the hottest on the market

[pearl heath]

SFF refers to the total footprint of the case yeah

[open iris]

No point including something that will instantly been thrown away

[spare sedge]

so 7950x3d has no stock cooler either?

[open iris]

Ye

Idk what's the highest cpu amd includes stock coolers with

[vast geyser]

yep

[open iris]

Probably x700

[vast geyser]

prob 7700

ok, 7900 comes with one

the X models dont

[open iris]

[spare sedge]

What's pib

[vast geyser]

the stock cooler

[spare sedge]

Which is hilarious because of the low heat levels

[vast geyser]

anyway so did you pick a motherboard yet

tbh case should have been before motherboard

[spare sedge]

case before mb?? what??

[vast geyser]

yeah cause compatibility and stuff

check what case size you want, then pick motherboard size and stuff

[spare sedge]

the mb determines the compat. then pick the case

the mb matters more than case

[vast geyser]

to each their own

[spare sedge]

okay stock coolers have the worst heating tho

cooling

[vale prairie]

Have you decided what form factor you want?

[spare sedge]

immersion has the best but obviously anything above air cooler is overkill unless you want the aesthetic

[vast geyser]

immersion is extremely weird and complicated

AIOs are fine

[spare sedge]

im pretty sure you just build it and pour the mineral oil in.

[vale prairie]

I think theres more to it than that 🗿

[spare sedge]

it should be easier and less weird than custom water looping

[vale prairie]

If it was that simple everyone would be doing

[vast geyser]

i was proved wrong

[spare sedge]

wym

[vast geyser]

cause that oil would heat up infinitely

[open iris]

Lmao

[spare sedge]

so you need a rad for the immersion too

[vast geyser]

no idea

[spare sedge]

oh so you just dont know

[open iris]

I'm sure ltt needed a 3 part video series for it because it was simple

[spare sedge]

what are the price points for each cooler

stock = free

tower = ?

[vast geyser]

yeah it really depends

[vale prairie]

Anyways no point diving into that cesspool just get an AiO please

[spare sedge]

low profile = ?

[vast geyser]

from 20 for a decent one to 120 for a D15

[vast geyser]

going above 60-80 is weird

[open iris]

Realistically anywhere from 20-150 for any air cooler

[vast geyser]

ok so

you can get one for 200

[open iris]

Though spending over 100 on an air cooler is kinda mega wack

[vast geyser]

idk how practical it would be though

nvm its 300

[vale prairie]

You can get an LS720 for $100

[vast geyser]

nvm its 200

[vale prairie]

What is?

[vast geyser]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Py6p99/icegiant-prosiphon-elite-cpu-cooler-prosiphon-elite so its uhm

its not the most practical cooler, but it is interesting

[pearl heath]

You really dont

[vale prairie]

Looks like someone took an lp cooler and added a giant heatsink

[open iris]

That is something

[pearl heath]

For immersion cooling you need everything to be rated to withstand the oil because mineral oil damages plastic over time

[vast geyser]

its way more interesting than that

[pearl heath]

You still need a pump and radiators, and a tank to contain it all

It's significantly more complex than a custom loop just by virtue of the tank and maintenance lol

[vale prairie]

Is it like building a custom waterloop inside one of the reservoirs

[vast geyser]

thanks random

[vast geyser]

but imagine the reservoir damages the components

[vale prairie]

Misclicked on a gif and warship filtered it 🗿

[vale prairie]

Whoops! My 13900KS rusted again… well time to get a new one.

[spare sedge]

Low profile is 60-80?

[vast geyser]

i only know like 2 lp coolers

[spare sedge]

Is the 7950x3d made out of plastic

[pearl heath]

The substrate is layered fibreglass (or other similar material) and copper
The IHS is nickel plated copper
It is held down with silicone
The silicon that does the thinking is silicon

Motherboards have plastic coverings most of the time, fan housings are plastic, capacitors are moulded into plastic usually, PCIe/RAM slots are plastic...etc

[spare sedge]

That's good tho

[pearl heath]

The downsides of immersion cooling gigantically outweigh the benefits

[spare sedge]

Why would it Rust

[vale prairie]

Idk liquid might rust the aluminium ihs

[vast geyser]

its not aluminum

[vale prairie]

Is it not

[pearl heath]

It's nickel plated copper

As per usual

[vast geyser]

if it was aluminum you couldnt use liquid metal

[vale prairie]

Ah

[spare sedge]

Can mineral oil make things rust

[pearl heath]

No

But my god good luck ever cleaning all of it off anything

When you drain/fill a system with mineral oil, you have to put down spill covering pretty much everywhere because it's a complete pain in the ass to clean

[spare sedge]

Yeah but you wouldn't take those parts and clean them off to put into a new case.

You can but it'll never come off.

[vast geyser]

i mean, oil is in the name

[pearl heath]

When you take components out of a mineral oil PC the best way to clean it is to hang the parts on a clothes line and let it all drip off over the course of a week

[spare sedge]

So that's one negative of immersion cooling. That you have to stick to it otherwise it'll stick to you

[pearl heath]

I am willing to bet that on the planet right now there are less than 50 mineral oil PCs running

Likely less lol

It's just, entirely not worth it, at all

[spare sedge]

Yeah it's not worth but it's p cool

[vast geyser]

yeah its pretty cool

[lavish nexus]

Vodka cooled is pretty dank but pretty rough on plastic and gaskets

[vast geyser]

i have a feeling that would short stuff out

[lavish nexus]

yea if it leaks

But so would water

Jayztwocents did a video with vodka and it cooled pretty well

dried out the plastic in the waterblock tho

glasswater block with heavy duty rtv seals

[spare sedge]

Is vodka cooled real

Oh wow

[spare sedge]

What's rtv seals

[vast geyser]

vodka belongs to be in stomach, not pcs

[open iris]

As long as it's liquid is there really anything stopping you from cooling with it

[vast geyser]

uhhh there is

gunk

[spare sedge]

So there's a lot of talk about all these things using everything except water

[teal pond]

tbh if I ever liquid cooled a pc it would be water or a coolant that’s not thick

[spare sedge]

So what are ALL the coolant options or liquid options

[orchid gust]

just water is fine?

[spare sedge]

And will that coolant work in all types of liquid coolers

[vast geyser]

distilled water

[orchid gust]

maybe use distilled for the fancy

[vast geyser]

dont put normal water

[teal pond]

Yes

[teal pond]

Yes

[orchid gust]

what happens with tap water

[spare sedge]

Regular water leaves white dust

[orchid gust]

rust?

[teal pond]

It will become gunk probably

[orchid gust]

chlore?

[vast geyser]

coolant options? way too many to say

[spare sedge]

But what else besides water

[orchid gust]

distilled water

!

[vast geyser]

EK cryofuel

[spare sedge]

Vodka

[vast geyser]

has color

[spare sedge]

Mineral oil

[teal pond]

No

[pearl heath]

That is just water and additives lol

[spare sedge]

What else

[vast geyser]

dont mineral oil or vodka

[orchid gust]

would 99% distiled alcohol work?

[vast geyser]

sure
but its packaged neatly

[pearl heath]

Literally any fluid that conducts heat lol

Doesn't mean you should though

[teal pond]

Custom loops are almost always distilled water

[spare sedge]

Do all of them not conduct heat

[orchid gust]

dream use water

[pearl heath]

The people who watercool with beer or milk or other liquids do so just for a funny and then drain and clean their loops afterwards

[spare sedge]

Loops looks SOOO COOL

What gives the loops the different colors tho

[pearl heath]

Also most of the time you can't even top up what's inside an AIO anyway so