♡ i am still building my first pc ever ♡

[vast geyser]

no

[orchid gate]

Oh man imagine us advising her on first boot

EXPO, windows install and all

[vast geyser]

i aint doing allat

[orchid gate]

Yea…

[modest valve]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Wjwypg/asus-rog-crosshair-x670e-gene-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-rog-crosshair-x670e-gene

This is the only micro atx x670e apparently?

[orchid gate]

X670E is micro ATX only?

Don’t think so

ditch the ending letter

[modest valve]

No there’s a lot more Atx options

[orchid gate]

Yea best to get those

She’s going Uber high end

so as many features as possible that actually execute well

[modest valve]

Will those fit in those tiny cases tho

From caseend

[orchid gate]

She’s not getting a tiny case

just wants something pink

[modest valve]

Oh ok

[orchid gate]

RGB should do that for her (:

[vast geyser]

maybe white

its a big 50/50

she sent a pc with an o11 mini

might not need pink

[orchid gate]

I mean the only pink case I can conceive is the cooler master NR200P with its colour options 💀

[vast geyser]

theres a lian li 205

[orchid gate]

Ain’t no way I’m dealing with a barrage of complaints regarding GPU clearance, tall RAM

[vast geyser]

just buying an o11/h9 flow is the easy way out

[orchid gate]

Yk what I’ll prep ahead of time

do the research and make flash cards

[haughty quail]

this convo is still going on so i minus well jump in

[orchid gate]

RGB seems like the wrong topic to discuss atm

[haughty quail]

im making a pc right

?

[orchid gate]

what

Not you

[vast geyser]

get outta here

[haughty quail]

so i need help on cases so like i dont know what to choose and the options are

damn

but it is the same topic

[orchid gate]

This isn’t your thread

[haughty quail]

cant i join

[vast geyser]

open ur own thread

[orchid gate]

It’s not

[haughty quail]

but noone will respond

minus well hop in here

[orchid gate]

This is a super expensive PC

[haughty quail]

?

how much we talking

[vast geyser]

lie

[orchid gate]

$7000

[haughty quail]

and this is like cap cause he never finna make it

prob trolling u

💀

[haughty quail]

ig?

but he never finna build it

[vast geyser]

just buy a pop air

[haughty quail]

atleast im gonna build it

[haughty quail]

not the best case for my build

💀

i told u that

in the real thread

[orchid gate]

@spice yacht help

[haughty quail]

but ill leave

ig

[vast geyser]

wat

[haughty quail]

cause idk yet whether. to get the xl one or the regular one

for my build

as im trying to get the best airflow

fans mostly aio later

ig

[spice yacht]

what you do?

[haughty quail]

but ill make a new thread like u said

[vast geyser]

personal choice

[haughty quail]

since u guys clearly dont like me

[haughty quail]

xl

[vast geyser]

i forgot u already had one

[haughty quail]

is good for space?

ik

[vast geyser]

yes its very large

[haughty quail]

but noone else wanted to help

😭

so

my card is a 7900 xt

and a uh motherboard is a atx

[vast geyser]

it was 455mm clearance

[haughty quail]

i want good amount of fans

[vast geyser]

and fits eatx

fits your criteria

[haughty quail]

wait wait

[vast geyser]

and you like it

[haughty quail]

pop into the other thread

so we dont get warned

[orchid gate]

Annoying guy here this zenith dude

Has his own thread to ask advice in yet floods our place for someone else

[haughty quail]

i left

[orchid gate]

Nah he’s gone sorry for inconvenience

Could you purge his messages here, not needed but would be appreciated

Nani it works not

[spice yacht]

warship wake up

[brave brook]

For future reference, don’t go another thread for help. Go to tech chat instead or something

[vast geyser]

let warship rest

[haughty quail]

alr

[brave brook]

Or be more patient

[haughty quail]

alr

[orchid gate]

Last message from the real convo

For ref

[brave brook]

Anything been decided yet?

[orchid gate]

CPU and GPU model are

4090 is the msi suprim liquid x

[brave brook]

Ram?

[orchid gate]

cpu is still 7950x3D

[vast geyser]

man we gotta convince to buy the aircooled

[orchid gate]

RAM seems to be a few models, imma check

[brave brook]

Yes, yes we do

[vast geyser]

its ok langley, you tried

[spice yacht]

its borked

[orchid gate]

Actually it should be fine but it complicates airflow choices for later

Since the fans on the radiator are useless

[vast geyser]

a watercooled one complicates case choice more

[orchid gate]

Oh wait yes right

GET THE ROG STRIX

[vast geyser]

no

no

[orchid gate]

see warship ded message should be gone bc more than 3 words are caps

[brave brook]

It’s a personal preference, but aio gpus look ugly

[orchid gate]

Uhh gigabyte?

[vast geyser]

suprim x aircooled is fine

[orchid gate]

Ah yes true

[brave brook]

Or tuf

[orchid gate]

Also silicon lottery with the GPU, so even if charts say perf better on this one her model could be lower

[brave brook]

Or a lot of others tbh

[orchid gate]

Never know till proper benchmarks are run on your exact model

[modest valve]

what abt the cpu cooler

[orchid gate]

Not there yet

That’s another headache and dose of ibuprofen

[modest valve]

We gotta convince her to get an air cooled one if she wants any airflow in the pc

[orchid gate]

Well no that’s not a great idea for CPU, but needed for GPU

[open iris]

2 aios in one pc 💀

[orchid gate]

it’s a 7950X3D, stays at 90 deg regardless of cooling

[modest valve]

I know

[brave brook]

Honestly the airflow is not the issue. The issue is case compatibility

[haughty quail]

liquid cooling is a bad option i say airflow is the best one to go for her

[modest valve]

But she won’t listen to changing the gpu to an air cooled one

[orchid gate]

Hol up let her come back first

Otherwise we’re wasting keypresses here

[brave brook]

Yeah lol

[modest valve]

Alr

[vast geyser]

are there any 420mm aios that arent lf2 or horrendous?

[brave brook]

I’d recommend air cooling for both the cpu and gpu tbh

[orchid gate]

Honestly for a very high end build for gaming and productivity some conversations here are pretty far fetched

Just went back 12h and…

tempted to ask her zodiac sign now if it’s linked to indecisiveness

https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1107753052892577842 @spare sedge look here if you’re still wondering anything about the GPU

[orchid gate]

.

I think this is good topic ordering - first sort out the hardware needed (and not worry about those that don’t exist in the build) and their compatibility issues or how to reduce trade offs, then implementing novelties like RGB/knowing which ones exist. Then probably adding peripherals plus a walkthrough for installing windows to a usb, bios updates etc. Afterward this thread can go into arbitration and @spare sedge can inquire about mSATA or PCIe standards or server hardware

1st topic was the last one discussed

[spare sedge]

i saw this already after i chose the 4090. it doesnt make me change my mind. im not wondering about gpus. my research on aib cards is prem.

but thank you. i love more sources and charts

[spare sedge]

yeah. ill also use my info to help others

[spare sedge]

why

the reasons to go liquid is to save space

2 smaller bricks are better than one 360 mm brick. the bigger the length of the card directly impacts the air cooler perf

the rog is huge

[brave brook]

save space where? All the “space” taken up by an air cooler just moves to the edge of the case
reasons to go air: more reliable, less maintenance

[spare sedge]

im considering itx

[brave brook]

Why

[spare sedge]

for many reasons

but mostly cause i plan on doing vanlife

[brave brook]

If you’re doing itx, do NOT get the msi liquid suprim

[spare sedge]

its the smallest card

[brave brook]

No it’s not

The AIO takes up a ton of space

And the tubes don’t help

[spare sedge]

the aio can be placed on top or away

[brave brook]

And chances are, the itx case you get won’t fit both a cpu AIO and a gpu AIO

[spare sedge]

well thata why im considering it

[brave brook]

Wdym

I wouldn’t recommend the liquid suprim anyway, but that’s my personal preference

just found out from Techquickie's latest video that dp dual mode can output native hdmi signals, dp dual mode is what all gpus have i think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr-ACsQ1BXA

[spare sedge]

i dont follow

dp is better because its always better on same gen

its not even a competition

the only time hdmi wins is when you compare it an old dp

[brave brook]

yeah

[orchid gate]

There’s a radiator of equivalent size required to cool it which you also have in the case

So double the length measurements and you have the actual dimensions

[orchid gate]

Air cooled GPUs don’t need more cooling than their own fans

[orchid gate]

How you gonna cool the CPU then

Air cooled is insufficient for 7950X3D

[brave brook]

Lies and deceit

Noctua nh d15 is a 250w cooler

And you can get cheaper ones like the thermalright peerless assassin and phantom spirit for ≈$50 USD

[orchid gate]

Actually I take that back

Just read something from TPU, you’re right

[brave brook]

Aios are no better than tower coolers

[orchid gate]

They’ll stay at 95 deg under load regardless of cooling

[brave brook]

Yeah

[orchid gate]

Seems air cooling would be the only path if she’s going ITX

[brave brook]

Kinda, depending on the case

[orchid gate]

what, actually gonna do the NR200P Max now

[brave brook]

The nr200p supports aios

[orchid gate]

I’d like to see how her build holds up living van life

Probably needs to undervolt

[brave brook]

Actually, for van life, an AIO might be better, along with a hefty gpu support bracket

[brave brook]

Undervolt what

[orchid gate]

idk is GPU undervolting possible

[brave brook]

Yes

[orchid gate]

Also to mitigate psychological fear I’ve heard people do it to Ryzen 7000 series

[orchid gate]

Hmm why

more sturdy/attached to sturdier surface?

[brave brook]

A tower cooler might be too heavy hanging off the motherboard

[brave brook]

The rad, which is the heaviest part, is attached many times to the case

Instead of 2-4 screws on the Mobo

But all of this depends on the case

[orchid gate]

I think ITX should be fine with a tower cooler

[brave brook]

And by extension, form factor

[orchid gate]

No space for it to fall anyway

[brave brook]

Depends on the case

[orchid gate]

I mean something like the Lian Li Dan a4

or fractal terra

In the Cooler Master NR200 yes it’s still suspended/mount is bottomless

[brave brook]

Oh yeah that would need air cooling. Also, the cooler that fits with that is underpowered for the 7950x3d

[brave brook]

This is the best option imo

[orchid gate]

Considering everything’s TOTL mhm

[brave brook]

Because you aren’t so constrained for space

[orchid gate]

Imma remind myself to write a whole doc on this stuff like I/O types

[brave brook]

The Dan case is not meant for this class of hardware

[orchid gate]

So as to spare her some effort

[orchid gate]

r/sffcase be like - customise

[brave brook]

Yeah, for a seasoned builder, not dream

[orchid gate]

Word

[brave brook]

What?

[orchid gate]

It’s an english expression meaning yep or exactly

[brave brook]

English where

[orchid gate]

Wdym

Just informally

didn’t relate to anything

[brave brook]

I’m from the us, and I’ve literally never heard that before

[orchid gate]

Just a quick reply

[orchid gate]

It’s in certain places, but faded from vernacular usage

[brave brook]

Or is that British

[orchid gate]

so instinctively not a choice

[orchid gate]

Probably

[brave brook]

But “yep” is easier to say than “word” and makes loads more sense

[orchid gate]

Like the saying “mustard” meaning “perfect”

[orchid gate]

Because more people use it

Any could’ve been chosen

[brave brook]

Holy shit, where is this coming from

[orchid gate]

frequency is influence :p

[orchid gate]

I don’t mean to disregard their other definitions

those still exist 😛

[brave brook]

Well yeah I know, but I want to know who says “mustard” instead of “perfect”

[orchid gate]

Super man

In the movie Clark Kent does

so it seems to be an old term for formality’s sake

[grave spade]

Yes

[brave brook]

Oh well I haven’t watched that so I wouldn’t know

[brave brook]

Yeah I assumed that

[grave spade]

I like how you write British like it’s a different language

[grave spade]

But yes it’s British slang

[brave brook]

The slang is different

And that can make a big difference

Like now lol

[grave spade]

Then call your language American 🤣

[brave brook]

Canada is American too. “American” should not refer to the us only

[orchid gate]

Uhh let’s bring this to #public-chat

[brave brook]

Or just end this now

[grave spade]

Any progress with the ram or mobo

[brave brook]

No I don’t think so

this whole thing is a mess

[grave spade]

I feel like we should just have a vote on 3 prechosen motherbaords that are all good and the majority vote wins

[brave brook]

Yes honestly

[grave spade]

But I don’t think that will stop the questions

[brave brook]

I come back after SLEEPING, and there’s a wall of text that decides literally nothing

Happened today

[grave spade]

Watch there be an entire new thread for when she builds the computer

[brave brook]

Oh…..I think I might die

Quickly racking up the number of strokes from the painfully googleable questions

Like an actual copy paste

Time to go to bed again, and wake up to the same thing over again

See y’all later

[grave spade]

Gn

[dapper crescent]

I still have to say

You are still majorly over thinking this

[spring wraith]

wrong

[grave spade]

Maybe she’ll start a pc part factory with the knowledge

[orchid gust]

dream when over 40 people show him a great computer (whats a computer?)

[dapper crescent]

No

[dapper crescent]

What?

[orchid gust]

truly a discord user

[dapper crescent]

Totally didn't typo or anything

[spring wraith]

ltt server members when somebody wants to learn and not have spec lists shoved down their throat

[spring wraith]

LOL

[orchid gust]

must she really have gpu slots re explained every day

why won't she google these

[spring wraith]

its hard to conceptualize things

having people explain it makes it easier

if you dont wanna explain, dont

nobodys forcing you to talk

[grave spade]

@spare sedge how close are you to choosing your ram

[spare sedge]

lmao

im on mb

cpu gpu and ram are done

[grave spade]

Oh

What ram did you pick

[spare sedge]

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-5600 CL28 Memory black
this one

i also compiled 6400 speeds just in case i need / want to switch

[grave spade]

K not a bad choice

[spare sedge]

i went with 5600, because they showed convincing enough argument over the 6000

if you read the reply, i was boiled down to all of them having the literal exact same stats

what do you do when that happens? just choose based of looks?

cause i basically chose the trident over ripjaws because i was reading into gskill's marketing

and i guess the ripjaws are the same thing but cheaper and more boring

but the trident is on sale for the same price.

[grave spade]

You like rgb?

[spare sedge]

i think im going to

[grave spade]

Fair

[spare sedge]

but idk yet

and im still confused by argb and rgb

cause i heard argb you can control or something

but that the regular one is only red green blue

and im just like wtf how

every rgb ive seen is like a rainbow

and they are all controllable

[grave spade]

It’s a bit complicated because people use both terms loosely

[spare sedge]

OH

so like

the rgb in the title of the ram is probably argb

so is argb just newer?

[grave spade]

Yes

No

Well

[spare sedge]

oh

[grave spade]

It is argb for the ram you picked

And I guess argb is newer but that has existed for decades

[spare sedge]

im gonna write down mb feature options so i can keep track. theres literally so many

[grave spade]

But rgb builds just weren’t a thing decades ago

[grave spade]

Don’t put rgb down as one because they’re usually controlled in a slightly different way

Which is also easier

[spare sedge]

wifi
pcie configuration?
dual x8 (2x pcie gen 4 x8)
post code
led light troubleshooting
beep code
eclk (external clock gen)
usb type c
usb type a
thunderbolt
A-thunderbolt?
optical out
sata
m2
ethernet
audio jacks
10 gb lan
safeboot
bios flashback
dual bios

these are just off the top of my head

i know there is more

[grave spade]

Just saying

[spare sedge]

i will add as i find more

[grave spade]

All mobos have this for the current gen

[spare sedge]

have what

[grave spade]

Those features

[spare sedge]

oh well some dont

in the video i watched

[grave spade]

Maybe WiFi

[spare sedge]

like one was bare min

and didnt have optic

but idk how much im gonna care about all of them

[grave spade]

You won’t even use that

And you’re defo not going bare minimum

[spare sedge]

i also dont know why the guy in the video thinks 5 usb type a is not enough

[grave spade]

Depends on who you are

[spare sedge]

and then he's like

[grave spade]

But the bare minimum you need is 2

[spare sedge]

"this mb is WAYYY EXPENSIVE"

and it's like $260 lmao

like bffr

[grave spade]

Because in the past mobos never cost that much

[spare sedge]

are you eating?

i get that but

[grave spade]

Now it’s easy for your mobo to cost more than the cpu

[spare sedge]

idk my finances got me delulu

[grave spade]

Which is ridiculous for like an extra usb port

[spare sedge]

$260 today means $130 yesterday

and i just can't imagine that being a problem

if anything pc parts are at a huge discount right now

except gpus

the 4090 if released before covid is valued at $800 compared to the old days of $500 gpus

so a $300 price hike of pre covid money

i mean its a lot. but not really

[grave spade]

Because new stuff is coming

[spare sedge]

no i mean inflation

and electronics actually didnt inflate

except gpus

[grave spade]

Strange way to look at it but fine

[spare sedge]

but because of that. gpus seemed to have inflated by $1000 when thats not true AT ALL

that just their apparent increase

same with TVs

especially TVs

samsung went to shit. and the price for 70in or 75in tvs stayed close to the same or went down in price DURING inflation. this should have been a huge alarm for buyers

food and clothing and rent are the only assets that increased last year. electronics will probably follow eventually but electronics are usually last.

[spring wraith]

@spare sedge thoughts?

[spare sedge]

ohh ive heard of evga and ik their z boards are the best

[grave spade]

No way you’re recommending a kingpin

[spare sedge]

if i go intel, i will def go a z690 board or similar

[spring wraith]

why not

its $410

[spare sedge]

at the end i will know enough to just whip together a intel pc for final decision

on pcpp

[spring wraith]

cheap af and god tier for the price

[grave spade]

It’s Intel

[spring wraith]

and?

[spare sedge]

$410 isnt bad

[spring wraith]

i think it was $830 at release or some shit

[grave spade]

I will die if we have to talk about CPUs again

[spring wraith]

...

[grave spade]

I prefer Intel but it took a few days to choose 7950

[spare sedge]

we wont i already have my intel pocket pick

[spring wraith]

13900k > 7950x3d for the avg person

[spring wraith]

what

[grave spade]

I agree

[grave spade]

I don’t think you were in the original thread

[spring wraith]

no i just started typing here like a day ago

[spare sedge]

do avg people benefit from better productivity

[spring wraith]

depends on if they do productivity stuff

most ppl dont

[spare sedge]

is avg use like internet browser and file explorer or more

$570 is cheaper so thats prolly better for avg user

[spring wraith]

by avg person i meant avg gamer

[spare sedge]

ohh

[grave spade]

Anyway just recommend stuff for AM5 because then she has to choose a cpu and ram again which already took almost 2 weeks

[spare sedge]

i know enough about ram tho

[spring wraith]

maybe

[spare sedge]

to go 7200 - 7800 or so

[spring wraith]

yes

and 48gb

[spare sedge]

can gpu stay as the 4090

[grave spade]

Yes

[spare sedge]

oh boom i already have the intel build

[spring wraith]

yes 4090 is the best gpu rn

[spring wraith]

what board

oh

[spare sedge]

my bad

it would be

[grave spade]

With Intel you can get up to 192gb stable

[spring wraith]

but no point cuz regressions in games

ideal is either 48 gb or 96gb rn

[grave spade]

She wants “as much ram as possible”

Anyways let’s stick to mobo

[spare sedge]

13900ks rtx 4090 suprim x liquid 7800 cl36

one of these 2 for the ram

[grave spade]

Only 32?

[spring wraith]

id go for a 48gb kit

but besides that optimal

[spare sedge]

i couldnt find any modules above 32gb above ddr5 6800

[spring wraith]

one sec

[spare sedge]

otherwise of course

as much as i can with 2 sticks

[spring wraith]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qTCZxr/gskill-trident-z5-rgb-48-gb-2-x-24-gb-ddr5-8000-cl40-memory-f5-8000j4048f24gx2-tz5rk

[spring wraith]

max you can do with 2 sticks is 96gb

which is dual rank

[spare sedge]

so intel is cool with 8000??

i was scared for fear of 6800 on amd

[spring wraith]

yeah but youll have to downclock it unless you want to spend time tuning it

[spare sedge]

okayy

couldnt i technically do that with any ram and any system. so couldnt i get 8000 ram on amd and downclock it or no?

or is that just silly

[grave spade]

Silly

Just money waste

[spring wraith]

yes but theres no need

[spring wraith]

^

you can also get super low clocking ram and tune it to 8000

[spare sedge]

so money waste but possible to the point where it would be stable if you downclock to 6000 or 6400

[spring wraith]

like theres 4800 kits that fo that

[spring wraith]

yes

[grave spade]

Yes

[spring wraith]

what matters is the type of ram chips on the ram

not the stock speed

[spare sedge]

but what if support for it comes?? then it would be a good investment if the timings were good with the cl

[spring wraith]

wdym

oh

[spare sedge]

like what if more bios updates happen

[spring wraith]

you mean what if amd started supporting high mem speeds?

[spring wraith]

it wouldnt really matter

even if you got a 6400 kit you could clock it to 8000 if bios updates came

[spare sedge]

and then amd eventually supports 6800 then 7200 then 7800 and eventually the 8000

[spring wraith]

amd already supports 8000

its just desynced

[grave spade]

It probs won’t get that high through just bios updates

[spring wraith]

so its slower than 6000-6400

[spare sedge]

oh really?

[spring wraith]

yes

you can do that on intel

i could go buy a $70 5600 kit rn and clock it to 8000

[spare sedge]

ik the support for ram speeds takes forever

like years lol

[spring wraith]

it doesnt usually get better with bios updates

esp not over the course of years

[spare sedge]

oh in that ltt video they made it seem like they couldnt even post with the 7200+ ram

[spring wraith]

because they couldnt

[spare sedge]

and that bios updates is what fixed them

[spring wraith]

ltt is stupid

[spring wraith]

usually not

it depends on the board though

[spare sedge]

okii

[grave spade]

So we switching to Intel?

[spare sedge]

i feel like thats cheating

whats the catch lol

[spring wraith]

none

[spare sedge]

LOL

[grave spade]

Time

[spring wraith]

nah

you have to spend just as much time getting 8000 working

8000 xmp is like a 5% chance of working out of the box

[spare sedge]

so why doesnt everyone do this

[spring wraith]

the ram chips are the same on both

[spring wraith]

a lack of know-how and commitment to the time investment

[spare sedge]

ik the mghz number is really just MT/s and that the real memory speed is actually half of the mghz speed which is the real mghz number

[spring wraith]

yes

mhz is half of what you think it is

and the term to use for it is actually mbps, not mt/s

but both arefine

[spare sedge]

so 5600 ram is 2800 mhz but ddr boosts to 5600 MT/s and they call it mhz because its basically going to be that unless you plug in ram wrong

[spare sedge]

ohh

[spring wraith]

yes

[fallow fiber]

for ddr 8000mhz is only 3992 effective on the first jedec iirc

[spring wraith]

what

[spare sedge]

what is first jedec

[spring wraith]

itd be 4000mhz

[spring wraith]

JEDEC is a company that handles thr "base" frequency and timings of ram

so the speed your ram runs at before you enable xmp/expo

[spare sedge]

wait wait wait

so is jedec like nvidia

but with ram

[spring wraith]

no

[spare sedge]

okay good

[grave spade]

We spoke about this 😭

[spring wraith]

jedec just sets standards for ram to run at

rn theres a jedec 4800mbps spec and a jedec 5600mbps spec for ddr5

[spare sedge]

yep i remember that they are like the fda of ram

[spring wraith]

with most kits, even super high clocking ones, having the 4800 spec as well as their xmp profiles

[spring wraith]

yes

[spare sedge]

but in this context when people say it

[spring wraith]

fda but with lower standards

[spare sedge]

they just mean base

[spring wraith]

yes

[spare sedge]

okayy

what did he mean when he said first tho

this implies there is a 2nd jedec lol

[spring wraith]

i have no idea LOL

[fallow fiber]

theres a jedec rate speed for each bank

so ram has lets say 4 banks of 4 chips

the first pair will run at about half the speed rated of the kit (8000mhz will uually be 3992-4122)

and the last pair will run at like 400mhz slower than the first

iirc ofc

[spare sedge]

ik what a chip is. the black boxes on the ram if you take the heat sink off or if it was a green stick

but whats a bank

[spare sedge]

how many pairs are there

just 2?

so first jedec is the same concept as the base speed

then what are the other jedecs? is there just 2. if that's the case is it called second jedec or last jedec?

[dapper crescent]

Tbf it gets a tidous explaining things that don't matter and will not matter multiple times

[fallow fiber]

depends on the ram stick/type

[spare sedge]

this doesnt explain it tho. can you give me an example.

[grave spade]

?

[spare sedge]

im pretty sure i dont know you. and you havent helped me at all once lmao

[spare sedge]

we arent

not yet

but i can whip up a build at the end

so anyway back to mb

why do some motherboards have 5 audio ports?

[grave spade]

For surround sound stuff

In

Out

Mic

Rear

Subwoofer

Speakers are starting to use usb though

So it’s dying slowly

[spring wraith]

if you have a surround sound setup you should be using an external dac to begin with

[grave spade]

^

[spring wraith]

but its ok enough for some actives

ig

idk if you can eq each channel separately though

[grave spade]

But please use headphones 😊

[spare sedge]

i knew i had seen "pcie 4.0" the terminology is what was confusing me

[spring wraith]

why

headphones suck

[grave spade]

Bruh

[grave spade]

The 4.0 part?

[spare sedge]

so when he says 4x2 that's an x2 size. so many ways of saying the same thing. i hate it lol

[spring wraith]

iems and speakers >>

[spare sedge]

yeah the 4.0 just means gen 4 too

[grave spade]

You don’t understand what the 4.0 means?

[spare sedge]

but when people say gen 4 i hadnt seen it listed as gen 4. but now i know sometimes it is written that way

no i do

[grave spade]

Oh you’re just confused how it’s written?

[spare sedge]

i said terminology

pcie 4.0 = pcie gen 4

and pci IS NOT pcie but pcie = pci (sometimes in shorthand which is dumb)

[grave spade]

It’s fine because pci is dead

[fallow fiber]

like my ddr3 is r2x8 so 2 banks of 8 chips divoded in two so effectively 4 banks and my first is 998mhz and las 662mhz

[spare sedge]

and x8 = "by 8"

[dapper crescent]

i was there at the very start

[spare sedge]

and gen 4 x 8 = 4x8 = 4 by 8

like planks of fucking wood lmao

[spare sedge]

im gonna look

4 is the gen

ive never seen anyone say 4 G lol

[dapper crescent]

well thats more like the math

[spare sedge]

yeah thats why its allowed

still silly tho

[fallow fiber]

for ssd an ram every gen doubles the bandwidth

[spare sedge]

okayy so

is there any other reason to choose a mb besides features like how good their pcie is and how many usb type a there is??

or is choosing a mb basically only based off these features and thats it?

[modest valve]

Features, vrms, mobo size

[spare sedge]

and socket compat ig

so vrms do matter

[modest valve]

If all those are good then it’s just brand / bios preference

[modest valve]

Prob the most important because you’re buying a top end mobo so it’ll already have all the features you need (probably)

Be sure to pick your mobo size

Based off the case size

[grave spade]

Or the other way around

[fallow fiber]

not really an a320 vrm can power a 5950x not well and itd prolly overheat and blow but it kinda can

vrms are overbuilt eotherway

some x670 boards can do 1000w on the vrm at max

[grave spade]

VRMs have gotten much cheaper so these days they’re usually overbuilt

You can get a decent oc with any decent mobo

[orchid gate]

Do you have some compiled list of (un)answered questions and a journal of your thoughts? Conversation sounds very sporadic and hard to track

[orchid gate]

Leeeettts leave the audio for now

Don’t wanna get started on audiophile shit

[orchid gate]

Form factor is a result maybe not a direct choice

Although that said you need to research any potential trade offs for the same chipset due to form factor change if you’re still planning on mini-ITX

Is RAM confirmed?

[modest valve]

Yea for amd I think

[modest valve]

There’s only like 1 option if she goes mini itx

Bc of the x670e chipset

[orchid gate]

As a Susvara enjoyer I hereby declare a beyerdynamic dt 770 pro be firmly attached on your head after enchanting with curse of binding as a life sentence for this belligerent incursion and major insurrection

[modest valve]

Do not get speakers

If u wanna get into that just buy a surround sound system for your tv room

[orchid gate]

Welp acoustic treatment and all

and also don’t need a surround system/4 in the corners

Most music producers just do two at the front above their PC displays

Angled slightly inward toward their ears

[modest valve]

Main point is she isn’t a music producer so it’s unnecessary

[orchid gate]

Yea

[modest valve]

Headphones are better

[vast geyser]

they dont matter on am5

unless youre OC-ing that puppy to 500w

dont get her started in the vrm rabbithole again cause theres absolutely 0 point

[modest valve]

Yeah true they’re overbuilt

I still don’t know what form factor she wants

Mini itx? Micro atx? Atx?

[coral sandal]

I've never seen so many posts in a thread
Protip - Call yourself Kassy and post a pink pc to get lots of help

[vast geyser]

kassy stands from Kassadin, the Void Walker

right?

[late rover]

there's also this thing called "too much" help

[fallow fiber]

matx

[fallow fiber]

i always post the same list thats been improved on as we went and she doesnt even give it a look

she just wants to learn

and its kinda annoying its like talking to an adult toddler

[fallow fiber]

well then atx

[modest valve]

Yeah alr

[fallow fiber]

#1133873186409287740 message

[fallow fiber]

@modest valve base it on this

[vast geyser]

thats not even that great of a list

[fallow fiber]

build on it thats the point

[grave spade]

It’s literally perfect and probably what she’ll end up on eventually

Apart from the 8tb ssd

[vast geyser]

drp4 yikes

[grave spade]

Nhd15

T

[vast geyser]

ak620 ❤️

[fallow fiber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z7gqsh

added a gigabyte mobo too

[vast geyser]

overpaying for that rm1000e

the rm1000x is like $10 more

[fallow fiber]

so go 1000x?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HHLf7R

[vast geyser]

+its pretty clear that black pcs are a no go

[fallow fiber]

why?

[vast geyser]

doesnt like em

[fallow fiber]

pink or sum?

[vast geyser]

pink n white i think

[fallow fiber]

full pink

theres no white pink on pcpp

[vast geyser]

..

you dont have to select both colors per component..

[fallow fiber]

time to overpay for a white 4090

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xppFTY

[teal pond]

thats good

will that cooler be strong enough?

[vast geyser]

its the best air cooler

[fallow fiber]

yes

[vast geyser]

ok maybe ps120 is better but

[spring wraith]

"im a wasting money enjoyer"

susvaras are so fucking bad its unreal

[spring wraith]

yeah no

you dont need anything past stereo

and you dont need any room treatment aside from if you have the back of the speakers close to a wall

[spring wraith]

bro its just a basic question

this isnt audiophile talk

[fallow fiber]

the nzxt mobo i gave has some chonky audio bits so ig itll be fine

[spring wraith]

why would you ever recommend an nzxt mobo

[fallow fiber]

she wants white

thats all pcpp shows

its shit ik

but well we gotta roll with it

[spring wraith]

then recommend an apex or edge

something at least decent

[fallow fiber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fXjbvj

my friend has this exact board with a 7950x

he loves it so id say itd be fine

i didnt realise it was unde rthe silver black fileter lol

[vast geyser]

wait why do u keep making lists

knowing they wont be put to use

[brave brook]

Lol

[fallow fiber]

im bored

[vast geyser]

play payday 2

[fallow fiber]

im still grounded

[vast geyser]

naughty ass

[teal pond]

I think she wants 64gb of ram

[spare sedge]

so they do matter lmao. you literally just told me if i dont get enough vrms. it will explode. lmao

[spare sedge]

but even if you arent ocing vrms are still good for safer power delivery to the cpu

[vast geyser]

god you got her into issues that dont exist again

[spare sedge]

we are just on mobo. so mobos are pretty sporadic to research it feels. each feature is different and for different things

i dont have a list of questions.

but i think i need to go over each area on the actual board cause the mb can be split into parts like ik the cpu socket is one area.

[vast geyser]

you just look for features and thats about it

[spare sedge]

yeah but idk all of them

its also hard to tell when you do know all of them

[vast geyser]

usb slots and uhh basically wifi

[spare sedge]

and i want to know the different sections

[vast geyser]

thats about it

[spare sedge]

way more actually

[vast geyser]

irrelevant rabbithole

[spare sedge]

no itll help me

[vast geyser]

how

[spare sedge]

if you dont know the answer thats fine

but if you encourage others to not answer then its just gonna take me days instead of a conversation i can manage at work

im on break right now

[vast geyser]

why do u work on saturdays

[spare sedge]

i work every weekend

fri sat and sun

and mon

and tues

off wed thurs

so i can really only get research done on those days

heres a mb that was in that video

[vast geyser]

correct

[spare sedge]

ik red is the socket

ik orange is for ram

the sockets have names like am5 or lga1700 right?

what are the ram slots called?

[vast geyser]

they dont really have a name

[vast geyser]

any other question

the pink is cmos, green is pcie slots
and purple is uhh

[brave brook]

Dimm?

[orchid gate]

The type of RAM present on PC motherboards is of DIMM form factor - shopping tip (don’t buy SO-DIMM, that’s laptop ram)

But the slots are just called ram slots

[brave brook]

Or dimm slots

But mostly they’re called ram slots

[orchid gate]

Yes yes

Exactly

[brave brook]

Dark purple is the chipset

[brave brook]

Purple is chipset

[orchid gate]

No offence intended, but our main goal here is to get a PC assembled not act like techterms.com

That’s why you have people on hand, because humans just need that data to construct and modify a PC and not googles entire database

[brave brook]

And blue is the io shield, and half a vrm heatsink. The other half is on the top of the socket

[brave brook]

Tbh google is miles better if you know what to search for

[orchid gate]

Google power searching maybe, though this place still stands

[brave brook]

A lot of the questions are easily googleable tho

[orchid gate]

Oh, I just meant “are you taking notes or are these out of the blue”

[brave brook]

Lol

Mobile data :O

[orchid gate]

Yea just thought of that

I use it too

To circumvent the firewalls

[orchid gate]

Green are PCIe x16 slots for your GPU (RTX 4090) and a few other things like a 10Gb networking card or Elgato capture card, maybe a Wifi card if you buy a mobo without built in Wi-Fi which has its own antenna that fits on the outside. Also you missed one near the bottom. Those grilles just above them are hiding the M.2 SSD slots: look to their far right and you’ll see a single screw. The M.2 slots are M.2 2280 size, like most PCIe SSDs for a PC. When shopping if you see an SSD with a heatsink, don’t get it as the grilles I mentioned previously are the heatsink. These versions are intended for consoles like the PS5.

Purple/pink can help you when you run into a component compatibility issue like graphics card not working, it’s a coin battery that powers CMOS, which primarily keeps the time whether your PC is on or off to remain accurate. Internet connection helps it determines time zone and all because by default it’s set to the manufacturers time zone (critique welcome). Anyway, on higher end motherboards there’s a single tiny button which clears CMOS. Throw in a BIOS update as well and usually the part incompatibility is solved

[brave brook]

Looks pink to me ngl

The CMOS battery

[orchid gate]

Seems to be a blend of the two

[vast geyser]

yeah

[orchid gate]

Did I miss anything in my speech

[brave brook]

Yeah idk, compared to the purple around the chipset, it looks pink

[orchid gate]

Probably should answer like this @brave brook

[orchid gate]

Other parts:
#1139391773253316608 message
#1139391773253316608 message
Also don’t neglect the bottom and top edge, those pins are necessary connectors for the I/O (ports) on the side to work as well as your fans and RGB

[brave brook]

Ok….

[orchid gate]

I mean it is a chat space, single liners are gonna be lost quick

[brave brook]

Yeah

I just answered too quickly and didn’t see the others

[brave brook]

Just need to find a video explaining mobos

[spare sedge]

no dimm is the architecture of the ram

[brave brook]

It’s still a dimm slot though

[spare sedge]

the thing that says proart? thats the chipset?

[spare sedge]

no offense but i disagree with all of this

[vast geyser]

yea

x570's had a fan on those for some reason

[spare sedge]

i dont really tbh

[spare sedge]

yeah im taking notes but im also memorizing it

[vast geyser]

how does an aio work

[spare sedge]

pink is cmos.

purple is chipset

[spare sedge]

wdym

youre one of the people that told me

[vast geyser]

its like a test

[spare sedge]

lmao

[vast geyser]

cause you had to ask 3 times

[spare sedge]

no i asked different questions about it

you all just generalize it

[vast geyser]

there isnt really anything to talk about in particular

asetek bad

[spare sedge]

what's asetek

[vast geyser]

company that makes pumps

[brave brook]

A company that many manufacturers buy aios from

And put their branding on

[spare sedge]

so in blue i also circled the heat sink for the vrms by accident

what about these

[vast geyser]

oh cmon

under orange there is a m.2 slot
blue is the same as orange
red is pcie x1? slot
yellow pcie idk what
purple is audio
green is 24 pin
pink is a 6 pin that idk what it does

wait

just look at the website man it explains everything

[viscid plover]

Its a girl. and one that debates alot xD

[vast geyser]

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/proart/proart-x670e-creator-wifi/

[vast geyser]

man is the most gender neutral form to address someone

[viscid plover]

u right but i would say just look at the website Woman

i think thats more accurate ^

[vast geyser]

idk why that sounds aggressive

[viscid plover]

it actually does but depends i guess on how the person take's the reply

either way

it seems this person has built her pc now

and she must be happy

[vast geyser]

not yet

[viscid plover]

wasnt that picture of pc hers?

[vast geyser]

no

[viscid plover]

LOL

[brave brook]

No that was an example

[brave brook]

Nitpicking gender specific words is honestly stupid, especially if it’s “man”, “bro”, or “he”

[orchid gate]

Fml I told you in my paragraphs

FYI also buy another mouse, called the Logitech G502 Hero. You’ll need the infinite scroll function to read sent messages. It’s not spoken word it remains there forever, no need to ask twice

[spare sedge]

So what are they tho

Orange and blue

If yellow is pcie then is it like the green in the first pic

[spare sedge]

Doesn't explain new pic

[open iris]

M.2 slots, those are just heatsinks for them

[spare sedge]

that makes a lot more sense

alright i finished that video

found this

this is nice for new pc builders

especially since pcie seems to be such an integral part of mb shopping

i wonder if gen 7 will come out soon

wifi
pcie configuration?
dual x8 (2x pcie gen 4 x8)
post code
led light troubleshooting
beep code
eclk (external clock gen)
usb type c
usb type a
thunderbolt
A-thunderbolt?
optical out
sata
m2
ethernet
audio jacks
10 gb lan
safeboot
bios flashback
dual bios

heres the new list of features i have found that exist

is it possible to just get bluetooth motherboard?

[viscid plover]

Bluetooth comes integrated in almost all high end mobos

Wifi antenna too

[solar cliff]

Have you looked into getting a rack mounted case instead? I think itll be more performant

As there will be more space for fans etc.

Then you can have multiple rack mounted cases on that racck

Arent I right? @brave brook

[spare sedge]

what is a rack mounted case

[solar cliff]

A case that is on a rack

[spare sedge]

how do i check for it? cause ik wifi isnt always in the mb

[solar cliff]

depends on name

[spare sedge]

ive never seen one of those before

[spare sedge]

are there different types of bt

[viscid plover]

Usually it says in mobo title. For example msi mag z790 edge WIFI

Etc

[spare sedge]

like this

[solar cliff]

https://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-Technology-Rackmount-Capability-SST-RM44/dp/B0BFC8FZ8B/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Silverstone%2BRM44&linkId=c22b3625e2b18c5b1486f0fe1096e465&sr=8-1&th=1

^

It goes in a rack

so they can stack up vertically

and you can hook up watercooling to it

etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfO4Re_E-_4

[spare sedge]

does it have to be a server pc

or can it be any pc

[solar cliff]

Any pc

Linus does it at his home

[spare sedge]

so its like a sliding drawer

it seems compact. like maybe bigger than an itx but flatter

[spare sedge]

what about the bluetooth

im really worried about bt

doesnt bt have different gens too

how is there only 2 pages of AM5 boards

you would think there would be much more

are there industrial and consumer boards too?

are there gaming vs workstation boards?

so it seems the most ram slots on am5 is 4

the highest ram am5 can have is 192 gb

so if you want dual channel, you can do 2x 96gb ram sticks

which dont exist im p sure

or you can do 4x 48gb ram sticks

[grave spade]

It’s all safe

[spare sedge]

which is possible

[spare sedge]

i feel like more vrms are still better tho

like extra insurance

they also seem to matter more on mbs compared to gpus

what are these motherboards

[grave spade]

For servers

[spare sedge]

those are highest memory and slots

[grave spade]

Yep

[spare sedge]

is there a reason why these ones are so expensive

[grave spade]

Overbuilt/socket/lack of availability

[spare sedge]

what does overbuilt mean exactly

[grave spade]

Just unnecessary stuff on it

Put on there because yes

[spare sedge]

makes sense

but could be the only one that someone needs

[grave spade]

Not really

Maybe a tech YouTuber

[spare sedge]

i remember watching a video a long time ago about itx vs dtx

and i kind of think the dtx is underrated

but when i search for a am5 dtx or mini dtx board, nothing pops up for am5

is it possible for entire socket sets to have entire form factors exluded from that socket set

in other words, does a am5 mini-dtx board exist

there's only 6 itx boards for am5 in the world

[modest valve]

Ive never seen one actually being used

[brave brook]

Untrue. Cases such as the fractal torrent, have incredible airflow.

[modest valve]

For dtx

[brave brook]

2 100mm fans at the front, and 120 on bottom, and back

[modest valve]

Most ppl just go Matx or sometimes mini itx

[spare sedge]

ik

mdtx is more popular than even the dtx

mdtx is like a hipster case, but it is kind of clutch compared to itx

matx is kind of a smart buy over atx

what does mb chipset change?

or do?

[brave brook]

I wouldn’t mess around with dtx anything

[spare sedge]

thanks but i disagree

[brave brook]

It adds more pcie expansion

[brave brook]

Sales volume is negligible compared to even itx

[spare sedge]

i thought expansion was determined by the form factor NOT the chipset

[spare sedge]

i am aware. it doesnt matter to me if pc builders dont buy the dtx

i already know the rarity of each form factor

also how does ram work on itx, if it only has 2 ram slots?

[brave brook]

The form factor determines what can be placed on as expansion, but the chipset determines how many pcie lanes are added to the motherboard

[solar cliff]

Nop. Not true, biased opinion.

[solar cliff]

I call absolute lies. I want proof in graphs.

[spare sedge]

on atx it is a1 b1 a2 b2 meaning you need to plus 1 ram stick into a1 and a2 for dual channel

[brave brook]

It’s only 1 stick per channel instead of 2

[brave brook]

And I want proof for you. My point is, don’t get a rack mount simply for better airflow

[spare sedge]

oh okay so they get rid of b1 and b2

but keep a2

i was worried they got rid of a2 and kept b1 lmao

but ig its the same thing

[brave brook]

It’s generally b1 and b2 — better to populate 2nd and 4th first

[spare sedge]

i heard differently

to plug into 1st and 3rd

1st because its closest to cpu

[brave brook]

Well you heard lies

[spare sedge]

and 3rd because its the next one

because you cant do 2nd

[brave brook]

No it’s 2nd to 4th, where did you learn this

[spare sedge]

isnt 2nd and 4th farther away tho

[solar cliff]

Why dont you proof your point first.

[brave brook]

If your case supports dtx, it will most likely support matx, which is better — more expansion

[brave brook]

You know, you’re not being very helpful

[spare sedge]

i am considering rack mount now actually

because of vanlife

its be nice to have something compact

[solar cliff]

Im being very helpful. As dream is considering it.

[spare sedge]

its the only time you have ever helped me

but i appreciate it

[solar cliff]

There is help in everything if you look hard enough

[modest valve]

@spare sedge it’s usually 2nd and 4th for dual channel

[solar cliff]

thats what i do

[brave brook]

A rack mount would not be more compact than a normal itx build, like 1 in the nr200

[spare sedge]

well 1st and 3rd would still be dual channel

[modest valve]

There’s always some exceptions to a rule so might have to check the manual but usually 2nd and 4th

[brave brook]

It’s more compact for a rack, but on its own, it’s not more compact

[spare sedge]

dual channel isnt determined by the slot. its determined by the number of sticks plugged in

[brave brook]

Hell no

[spare sedge]

so 1 and 3 sticks isnt dual channel

[brave brook]

Bruhhh

[spare sedge]

2 and 4 sticks IS dual channel

[brave brook]

The first 2 dimm slots are 1 channel, the other 2 are 1 channel

[spare sedge]

yeah

so if you do 1st and 3rd slot or 2nd and 4th slot. thats dual channel

[brave brook]

3 sticks would still be dual channel

[spare sedge]

maybe. im not knowledgeable about 3 sticks

but 1 stick isnt dual channel

[brave brook]

It’s just not recommended for stability reasons

[brave brook]

Yes, that is true

If you want van life, get an itx build not a rack mount, that would be stupid

[spare sedge]

but the rack mount could slide in and out

[brave brook]

Refer to this

[spare sedge]

is it smaller like how it looks

[solar cliff]

Provide proof.

[spare sedge]

oh, but is it smaller than an atx

whats a normal rack size

[brave brook]

The physical size you bozo. Where the hell are you gonna put an entire rack in a van, as opposed to an nr200p for example

[spare sedge]

wait like a server rack

like a datacenter

i dont think i can fit that in a van

unless i get a 2nd van for just that

[brave brook]

19” wide, the length varies. The thickness is measured in “U”s ≈1.75” thick

[spare sedge]

which i might do in the distant future