♡ i am still building my first pc ever ♡

[spare sedge]

you said ports

what else besides ethernet

[open iris]

You might want one that could support thunderbolt

[spare sedge]

what is thunderbolt

[open iris]

Otherwise basically just the amount of usb ports

[open iris]

Beefed up usb made by intel and apple

[thorn portal]

usb c

[spare sedge]

is that the one that apple uses for their phones

[thorn portal]

no

[spare sedge]

like the lightning cable

[thorn portal]

thats lightning

its the one they use on their laptops

[spare sedge]

oh okay

so is thunderbolt not ass like lightning then

[open iris]

It's uses a usbc connector but it's not the same as everything with usbc

[thorn portal]

yh ik but just in simple terms

[vast geyser]

the msi mpg b650 edge is a bit pricy but good

[spare sedge]

if you guys have mb recommendations

i need links and pictures please 😭

[vast geyser]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wkFbt6/msi-mpg-b650-edge-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-mpg-b650-edge-wifi

[spare sedge]

so this is a good start but

the chipset is AMD B650

[open iris]

Anyway the main benefit with thunderbolt is higher bandwidth compared to usb4

[spare sedge]

which is ass

[open iris]

Before usb4 existed though it had way more to offer

[spare sedge]

im p sure the x670e boards are the best

[open iris]

But usb4 closed the gap

[spare sedge]

lets start there. but other things looked good

[open iris]

Like usb3 and under don't have pcie capability

[spare sedge]

like the am5 socket matched which is good

[vast geyser]

how

[spare sedge]

because of the chipset

[vast geyser]

what can the x670 provide that you need

[spare sedge]

its a B which is the mid range board

[vast geyser]

uhhh, there B boards which are better than X boards...

[spare sedge]

you mean there are b board which are better?

if so. how?

idk anything about mb really

[sudden matrix]

for a first computer it sounds extremely powerful

[vast geyser]

simply just are

[sudden matrix]

nice

[spare sedge]

ty. i did my research so far.

[sudden matrix]

what are you using it for?

[spare sedge]

but the arent. x and z boards are top line flagship boards

[vast geyser]

did you really learn nothing about marketing

[spare sedge]

gaming, everything else. things like ai and proteins etc. blah blah

[sudden matrix]

woah alr

With the specs you have you can run basically any game at max settings

[spare sedge]

maybe eventually i will post some stuff like that. maybe in a year

unboxing pics first tho

then maybe a build pics

then maybe selfie + pc pics

[vast geyser]

wait..

so when are you planning on buying.

[spare sedge]

asap

[vast geyser]

ok

[spare sedge]

right after i choose parts

but ai and proteins wont be ready for show and tell for at least prolly a year

idk really. it depends if i drop to 4 days instead of 5 days at walmart

and then hopefully 3 days

[sudden matrix]

whats your budget im curious

[spare sedge]

its in the post

but 2-7k

[sudden matrix]

2-7k?!

[vast geyser]

oh right also 1 small issue i have with the pink thing

[sudden matrix]

Thats alot lol

[vast geyser]

the only pink aio is kinda crappy

[sudden matrix]

Windows 11 or 10?

[spare sedge]

p reasonable when a cpu on my eyes costs 1k

and when gpus cost 2k

so gotta be realistic if you want a 4090

[sudden matrix]

HUH LOL. for me a cpu is around 150 bucks and gpus are 400 bucks

[spare sedge]

yeah lmao

[sudden matrix]

And my build is 2.1k

and it runs games really really well

[spare sedge]

i dont think i could ever bring myself to build something like that unless it was for shits and giggles after my serious build

[open iris]

My gpu is literally worth less than 100 now and my cpu was 90

[sudden matrix]

i mean its only an rtx 2060 super and ryzen 5 3600 but it gives me 100+ fps in most games

[open iris]

My motherboard cost more than my cpu

[spare sedge]

or unless someone gave me one of those budget builds for free like how my brother did

even tho it doesnt work

[spare sedge]

bruh how

isnt that like a bad budget spending

[open iris]

12100f is goated though as a budget cpu

[spare sedge]

yeah it is

[open iris]

Nah not really i needed wifi and bought the cheapest one

Was less expensive than buying a wifi card

[spare sedge]

okay anymore mb examples

[grave spade]

I think a lot of mobos for the current gen are more expensive than the cpu

[vast geyser]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bCjBD3/gigabyte-b650-aero-g-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-aero-g

[open iris]

Motherboards in general just have gotten way more expensive

For no good reason

[spare sedge]

woopy. i appreciate you. but im not picking a b650 board lol

am5 x670e should narrow the search better right

[vast geyser]

the issue is that you dont even know why its bad

[spare sedge]

i was just told that the x670e is the best chipset

[grave spade]

You’ll get the same performance on both and can overclock on both

[vast geyser]

the only thing they do more is they provide more pcie lanes

[spare sedge]

from what i understand the mb has like no performance

its all compat and features

[grave spade]

Considering you’re interested in doing light overclocking there’s no benefit going x670e

[spare sedge]

i dont understand

[grave spade]

Correct

[spare sedge]

can we look at some x670e boards

[vast geyser]

the only difference that actually matters is that they have 1 more m.2 slot

[spare sedge]

thats a p big deal

[grave spade]

And there’s already like 3 slots

[vast geyser]

yeah the ones i sent have 3

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7nYmP6/asus-prime-x670e-pro-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-prime-x670e-pro-wifi

[grave spade]

5 years ago when they had one

[spare sedge]

128gb mem max and 4 slots looks good

am5 looks good

x670e looks good

[wind knot]

I do not recommend asus mother boards

[spare sedge]

i was gonna ask about that

atx form factor is a toss up

[vast geyser]

y

[spare sedge]

ddr5 looks good

[vast geyser]

no

dude

[open iris]

Jkjk

[vast geyser]

why did u say that

[open iris]

[spare sedge]

memory speed is supported at 5600

[vast geyser]

it can go up to 6000 or more

[spare sedge]

okay so wtf are these

[vast geyser]

pcie slots

[spare sedge]

i know pcie is a bus type

[vast geyser]

x16 is usually for gpus

[spare sedge]

and pci is the older bus

[open iris]

Size of slot on the motherboard

[spare sedge]

but wth are x1 x4 x8 x16

[thorn portal]

the top and bottom are x16

[open iris]

√

[thorn portal]

middle one is x4

[vast geyser]

x4 is for some network adapters

and uhhh

maybe pcie to m.2?

[open iris]

Thunderbolt card maybe idk if those are x16

[spare sedge]

im lost

so whats the difference between the x1 and x4

[vast geyser]

the amount of bandwidth

and the size

[spare sedge]

wdym by size

[open iris]

Any usb cards slso

[vast geyser]

size of the slot

[spare sedge]

bandwidth just means signal right?

[open iris]

The physical size

[vast geyser]

oh yeah those r neat

[thorn portal]

x4 is 4 times faster

[vast geyser]

yes

[spare sedge]

like how wide the slot is?

[vast geyser]

yes

[spare sedge]

oh wtf

you can have dual direction bandwidth??

so is x16 the best one

[vast geyser]

yes

[spare sedge]

or does it just mean that if a card needs x16 that means it requires a lot more and is more hungry

[vast geyser]

nah doesnt mean anything

every pcie slot for gpus is x16

the gpu can decide how much it needs

[spare sedge]

cause if the x16 takes up that amount of space, that's kind of awful

[vast geyser]

no its not

gpus "need" the bandwidth

[open iris]

Bro what else are you going to use the space for???

[vast geyser]

fr

[spare sedge]

yeah but id be nice if the gpu didnt have to take up that much on the mb

[vast geyser]

why?

[open iris]

It would have to anyway

Cause of the physical size of a gpu

The slot being smaller wouldn't change anything lmao

[vast geyser]

you saw what monstrosity youre buying?
then complaining about the size of a fuckin pcie slot?

[spare sedge]

you basically dont want your devices to use higher pcie unless they have to

so no they arent really better. just circumstantial

[vast geyser]

did u decide on a 4090 yet

[spare sedge]

yes

we are on mb

[vast geyser]

which one

[spare sedge]

suprim x liquid

[vast geyser]

oh fuck

ok then its not that big mb

[spare sedge]

its one of the smallest cards it has a rad

but the rad is the smallest rad too

which isnt as good for cooling

but it has the highest vrms next to the suprim x and the hof

[open iris]

Are you actually going aio for your gpu

[vast geyser]

ok lets stop talking about this

[spare sedge]

but the hof is $1000 extra

and the cooler is better than the suprim x

[vast geyser]

one day hopefully you will realize how the vrms dont really matter

[spare sedge]

the rog is the best air cooled card to be practically on par with the suprim x liquid, but it is $300 more for just an extra hdmi port

[spare sedge]

no i wont lmao

this research was not standalone vrms lmao

the top 7 cards i detailed ARE the top best 4090s on the market. its not subjective to individual or to aesthetic thats fucking dumb

the suprim liquid is cheaper than the fe

like how much better do you guys want me to do lmao

the gpu choice is already impressive

an i can switch to the rog if i want.

but the rog is huge

and ugly

and the pretty white one is like $2300

i cant justify $600 for 1 hdmi and white color

[vast geyser]

aanyway

back to motherboards

[spare sedge]

okii

[vast geyser]

so your issue with b650 is that someone told you that "b650 is bad"?

[spare sedge]

well not exactly

i dont want to get into it

right lets get back to the pcie

so is each pcie size a different bus then?

like pcie x1 vs pcie x4. would that be 2 different bus types

[vast geyser]

i suppose so

[spare sedge]

i know the pci vs the pcie are 2 different bus types

[vast geyser]

i dont know where you plan on going with this

oh waiut

[vast geyser]

the difference is just the bandwidth and size

thats all there is to it

[spare sedge]

so the pcie x1 pcie x4 pcie x8 and pcie x16 are all one bus which is the pcie bus. but the x number is just the size which also tells you the bandwidth of that pcie slot

meaning the bandwidth of all x1 are the same and the bandwidth of all x4 are the same etc.

[vast geyser]

depends on the pcie version but yes

[spare sedge]

whats the pcie version

i didnt know there was a version

[vast geyser]

the generation

[grave spade]

Btw you only need a single 16x for your gpu as you’re not using anything else

[spare sedge]

whats the newest gen ig

[vast geyser]

gen 1, 2, 3, 4 and now, although not in use, 5

[grave spade]

6 actually exists but not available to consumers

[spare sedge]

which means itx is still on the table

[vast geyser]

i mean 7 exists doesnt it

[grave spade]

Sure yes

[spare sedge]

but im interested in my pcie options

[grave spade]

Maybe

Pcpp has a section for pcie expansion

[vast geyser]

nvm 2025

[spare sedge]

cause if im interested in another useable pcie then i will cross off itx

[grave spade]

You can see there what there is

[spare sedge]

wait really?

[vast geyser]

https://caseend.com/ if u plan on itx btw

[spare sedge]

can you link it

hm what is this

[vast geyser]

huge selection of cases and you can pick what you need

its mostly itx ones

[spare sedge]

ohh okay

ill save this for case time

back to mb

so whats the highest pcie gen

[vast geyser]

to customers, 5

[spare sedge]

is it only 3

[vast geyser]

only thing that uses it currently is some wildly expensive SSDs

[spare sedge]

i dont mind going there i just dont know where navigate to

[vast geyser]

for all purposes, 4 is what matters

[spare sedge]

so is it just called pcie 5

and thats the best

does that mean pcie 6 exists

[vast geyser]

not to consumers

[spare sedge]

to whomstve

[vast geyser]

big datacenters most likely

[spare sedge]

okii so datacenter thugs get pcie 6 then

am i allowed to get pcie 6 or no. is it actually impossible

[vast geyser]

yes its impossible

again, the only things you can buy with pcie 5 currently are some really expensive ssds

[wind knot]

it would not matter anyway since gpus are pcie 4

[vast geyser]

yep

[spare sedge]

so its not possible like how industrial gpus like the 6000 ada are possible or how the xeon or epyc cpus are possible

[vast geyser]

you, as a person, cannot buy them

dont even think about them

[spare sedge]

which is so dumb

cause i can go and buy a 6000 ada but not this

or a xeon but not his

[vast geyser]

yes

[spare sedge]

you would think some guy would throw one up on ebay

[vast geyser]

nope

pcie 6 is irrelevant to consumers anyway

[spare sedge]

so does pcie 7 exist then

[vast geyser]

no

[spare sedge]

okii

[vast geyser]

rumored for 2025

[spare sedge]

so pcie 5 is the best but not a lot of stuff uses it

[vast geyser]

yep

[spare sedge]

makes sense to me

[vast geyser]

basically a pcie 5 1tb ssd costs as much as 4tb of pcie 4 ssd

[spare sedge]

is it normal to not have 0 pcie slots for every size except x16

and x4

[vast geyser]

yeah

[spare sedge]

are there any that have 1x pci, 1x pcie x1, 1x pcie x4, 1x pcie x8, 1x pcie x16?

or are pci, pcie x1 and pcie x8 basically useless

[vast geyser]

not in this generation

i guess so

[spare sedge]

okay so wtf is this

[thorn portal]

the different types of m.2 ssds

that it supports

[vast geyser]

M key is the standard ssd

[spare sedge]

theres different types of m2 😭😵‍💫

[thorn portal]

the numbers are to do with sizing im pretty sure

[spare sedge]

is mkey for all of them or just the 2280 and then the 22110

[thorn portal]

all

[vast geyser]

theres some B and m+b keys but uh

irrelevant

[spare sedge]

ohh i get it now

[modest valve]

It’s width x length

[spare sedge]

this just tells you which m2 are compat

[modest valve]

Just the dimensions

[spare sedge]

like how it lists the compat ram speeds

[vast geyser]

yes

[modest valve]

You should just go for 2280

[vast geyser]

yeah 2280 is the fastest and cheapest

[spare sedge]

thats storage talk right

[vast geyser]

ye

[spare sedge]

we'll get there.

[modest valve]

Yeah do the mobo rn

[spare sedge]

allrrrighhhttt wth are these lmao

never heard of any of these

[modest valve]

I’m guessing you’re gonna want a pcie gen 5 ssd so we’re gonna have to accommodate that when selecting the mobo right

[vast geyser]

sata is the connector for ssds and hdds

[spare sedge]

OH

[vast geyser]

who tf wants a pie gen 5 ssd

[spare sedge]

whats msata then

[vast geyser]

i guess a variation of it?

[spare sedge]

hm okii

[vast geyser]

for mobile maybe

[spare sedge]

whats the highest sata version

[vast geyser]

3

[modest valve]

Nvm better not to talk ab it

[vast geyser]

sata is pretty crappy though

[spare sedge]

oh is it not 6? im guessing 6 is just the gb/s speed then

[vast geyser]

yes

[spare sedge]

so then this mb has 4 sata 6.0 gb/s slots?

[vast geyser]

yeah

[spare sedge]

okii cool

[vast geyser]

you can use sata for fan and argb hubs actually

[spare sedge]

what sata version does this mb have

[vast geyser]

3

[spare sedge]

does it say

whats the highest sata speed btw.

[modest valve]

I think I saw a build on this but it had custom water cooling

Wait let’s save this for later when discussing cases mb mb

[vast geyser]

6gb/s

[open iris]

Fun fact on the ps4 it's actually faster to run your ssd through usb over sata cause sata 2 has slower speeds than usb 3

[spare sedge]

lmao

like the console

[vast geyser]

lel

[open iris]

Yeah

[spare sedge]

whats mini pcie

and half mini pcie lol

[open iris]

It's just smaller

Also existed before m.2

[spare sedge]

how does it get smaller than a pcie x1 lmao

[open iris]

No it's an m.2 connector

[vast geyser]

https://caseend.com/data/fractal-design/fractal-design-torrent-nano THERES A MINI TORRENT?

anyway back to motherboards

[spare sedge]

how can a case have a itx mb but an atx psu??

[spare sedge]

i love you

[spare sedge]

but also wtf LMAO

[open iris]

Honestly that's a good thing cause there's way less sfx psus on the market

[final wind]

Just a description of the size

[spare sedge]

so mini pcie isnt the bus type its a storage drive?

did it come before m2?

[open iris]

No and yes doesn't have to be storage

M.2 also doesn't have to be storage

[spare sedge]

more details

plsss

[final wind]

Just used to transfer information

[spare sedge]

but not like memory or ram

[open iris]

Yes

Mainly both are just used for storage or a wifi card

[vast geyser]

yeah

the m.2 for wifi is E key

[spare sedge]

what is ekey

is it like mkey

[grave spade]

Their naming schemes are independent

[spare sedge]

so just changes the notch around

makes sense to me.

[thorn portal]

ekey wouldnt be used for ssds

[thorn portal]

yeah

[thorn portal]

theyd usually be used for wifi or bluetooth adapters

[vast geyser]

you can have an itx case that supports ATX motherboards as well

[open iris]

~~More like an atx case that supports itx but that's being pedantic ~~

[vast geyser]

huh

nah

hating

[grave spade]

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/workstation/pro-ws-w790e-sage-se/

I bring to you the most motherboard of all time

It’s very motherboard

[vast geyser]

hottie

[grave spade]

It’s very ram too

And very pcie

[vast geyser]

buy an air cooled 4090 and half the slots are gone

[grave spade]

Or use riser cables

7 4090s that server absolutely no purpose

Pure beast

Or this mofo that will allow you to mine and earn your money back within 200 years

[vast geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTBnzUF6EbE&ab_channel=ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking

[vast geyser]

even the cheapest will run the best cpu

and i assure you, he knows his stuff

and that video should end the motherboard discussion

[brave brook]

What does this mean?

4 sticks of ram will halve the speed

[brave brook]

Alr so what has been chosen now?

[vast geyser]

nothing

[brave brook]

Oh….

How

[vast geyser]

we know the gpu aib at least

suprim x watercooled

[brave brook]

Why the fuck are you showing a mining board

[vast geyser]

cause its funny i think

[brave brook]

The case might not support it, but we’ll see

Probably just get a massive one anyway

[vast geyser]

nah cause the theme is pink

so its a bit uh

interesting

+if you buy a massive one, the 240mm aio will look bad

[brave brook]

240mm AIO??

[vast geyser]

thats the gpu

[brave brook]

Oh

Yeah

I do not like the liquid suprim but it’s her choice

[vast geyser]

yeah

the air one would have been neater

[brave brook]

Yeah

All the coolers are overbuilt anyway so it doesn’t matter what kind of cooler it is

[vast geyser]

oh my god theres a motherboard with 4x pcie 5.0 m.2 slots

[brave brook]

Goodbye pcie expansion. It’s the same with a 4090 tho

[vast geyser]

https://youtu.be/lTBnzUF6EbE?t=1587

[brave brook]

Also goodbye lots of usb

[vast geyser]

put the timestamp

[grave spade]

Precisely

[brave brook]

But she’s not mining so it doesn’t apply here. I want to keep this tighter than the last one and get the questioned answered sooner so we can move faster

[grave spade]

Tell her that 💀

[brave brook]

Yeah lol

But showing a mining board doesn’t help

[grave spade]

🐈‍⬛

[vast geyser]

nope

[brave brook]

Yeah 4 gen 5 m.2 is stupid

[vast geyser]

yeah he laughed at it

[brave brook]

4x m.2 is honestly kinda stupid on anything besides an x670e

Or maybe x670

[vast geyser]

https://youtu.be/lTBnzUF6EbE?t=1492 this is the right timestamp actually

file copying enthusiast

[spare sedge]

are those pcie x1 slots?

[spare sedge]

what are riser cables

[grave spade]

Yes

[grave spade]

Just allows you to put your gpu somewhere else

Than directly attached to mobo

[spare sedge]

so like extension cords for pcie slots

are their pcie x1 gpus available?

[grave spade]

Not officially

But you can run a 16x gpu in 1x

[spare sedge]

but can you change pcie x16 to x1

[grave spade]

But of course you lose performance

[spare sedge]

ohh okii

[grave spade]

Yes

[spare sedge]

how much

[grave spade]

They only do it for mining because bandwidth doesn’t matter

[spare sedge]

good

[grave spade]

Down to 1x quite a lot

[spare sedge]

hmmmm

sounds exactly like what i was trying to say earlier

and everyone just rolled their eyes at me

who knew. its actually a thing

[grave spade]

Which part

[spare sedge]

this

they have better bandwidth tho but still

in a different application

[grave spade]

I don’t exactly know what that means

[spare sedge]

it wont. its still dual channel. but 4 sticks isnt better than 2 exactly. single channel mode halves the ddr.

[spare sedge]

the reply part

[grave spade]

I saw

[spare sedge]

it doesnt matter

[grave spade]

I don’t know what you were trying to say though in the reply

[spare sedge]

thats alr

[brave brook]

4 sticks is literally never better than 2 in a gaming pc. You’ll always have dual channel

[grave spade]

K

[vast geyser]

1 stick is dual channel btw

in ddr5

[brave brook]

What?

[spare sedge]

yeah but you could have 2 laying around and just plug and play when you need 4

[vast geyser]

it acts like dual channel

[spare sedge]

p sure its not

[vast geyser]

cause ddr5 is just that funny

[brave brook]

It acts like dual channel ddr4, but it’s not dual channel ddr5

[vast geyser]

There is no DDR5 single channel; a single DDR5 stick now physically has a Dual Channel layout that supports two channels per DIMM slot instead of DDR4 RAM’s single channel. JEDEC claims that the new channel architecture improves efficiency and is instrumental in providing greater bandwidth than DDR4.

[vast geyser]

sssure

[grave spade]

We still talking about the best ddr5 setup 😭

[spare sedge]

i mean yeah the evidence is conflicting

[vast geyser]

but yeah you dont want 4 sticks cause the memory controller will shit itself

[brave brook]

Ok, then with 2 sticks, it’s quad channel, which is optimal for ddr5

[grave spade]

AMD, DDR5, 2 sticks. No more no less.

[spare sedge]

https://www.cgdirector.com/2-vs-4-ram-modules/

[pure mica]

why pink setup?

[spare sedge]

wdym

[pure mica]

I use 2 stick tbh

[vast geyser]

yeah idk all i know is that 1 stick acts like dual channel

[spare sedge]

what do you want from me

purple lmao

[vast geyser]

white would be easier but thats off the point

[brave brook]

1 dimm slot supports 2 channels

https://bytexd.com/hardware/ddr5-dual-channel-or-single-channel/

[spare sedge]

what would you recommend. maybe hello kitty

[grave spade]

🙏 🌳 🦅

[haughty quail]

calm downn haha

[brave brook]

What?

[pure mica]

💀

[grave spade]

Hello kitty is a perfectly respectable theme

[pure mica]

[spare sedge]

yeah see.

[haughty quail]

yasss

[vast geyser]

hotwheels is better

[pure mica]

Yep my man

[spare sedge]

its not even childish

[brave brook]

2 sticks has always, and probably will always (for the foreseeable future) be best

[vast geyser]

yep

[grave spade]

This

[brave brook]

End of story

[spare sedge]

hello kitty goes hard if you guys dont know

[grave spade]

!!

[haughty quail]

im going no rgb black workstation look but thats my build

[spare sedge]

this is up my alley

[brave brook]

And 6000MT/s cl30 is best for am5

[spare sedge]

awe girl why

https://youtu.be/hjlFzpjBpBE

[pure mica]

You start with a epic budget to end up hello kitty

[vast geyser]

you can go higher

[grave spade]

K maybe not this

[spare sedge]

its gonna be so cute

[haughty quail]

thats noty our thing to judge

[vast geyser]

with gear 2 you can hit 8000mhz but it performs worse than just 6000 i think

[spare sedge]

it was cute at first but its kind of just a white case with mid parts

[pure mica]

I can share my tought

[grave spade]

Probs one of the best aesthetics

[vast geyser]

+its pain to get it stable

[brave brook]

It’s not worth the risk of instability

[grave spade]

CL80

[pure mica]

I got 7200 me in not a pain at all

[spare sedge]

i can go back to pink

[vast geyser]

intel or amd

[spare sedge]

are stickers an option. she puts stickers on hers

[pure mica]

Intel lol

[vast geyser]

7200 on AMD is much more painful to hit

[vast geyser]

yea no one cares then

politely

[vast geyser]

thats doable

[vast geyser]

yknow whats not doable though

[brave brook]

I said this literally days ago, just get g.skill trident z 6000MT/s cl30. 32/64, probably 64 considering the budget

[vast geyser]

that aesthetic with the watercooled suprim x

[pure mica]

Cute but not my style

[grave spade]

If they’re nice and you don’t pick at them

[spare sedge]

i would prollly pick at them

but i can just clean them off if i do that right

[brave brook]

Doesn’t mean it’s not her style

[vast geyser]

cause literally holy hell thats ugly tubing and radiator

[pure mica]

I didnt say it wasnt her style. Dude

[grave spade]

Put a lacquer over it 🤣

Or stick them on the inside

[spare sedge]

lmaoo

[pure mica]

Put leaf all around it lol

[vast geyser]

how does that work

[spare sedge]

but i should do high quality stickers then?

[vast geyser]

i think any stickers would work honestly

[grave spade]

You just stick them on the inner side of the glass…

[brave brook]

Hell no

[vast geyser]

i dont see how tf that would work

[vast geyser]

use glue on the side with the image?

[brave brook]

The underside of the stickers would be ugly as hell

[grave spade]

You can make adhesive faces even on printed sides

[spare sedge]

thats not a bad idea

[vast geyser]

i should have shutted up

[brave brook]

Oh that would work

[pure mica]

Yep

[grave spade]

Paint the entire side panel black

[spare sedge]

i can just put them on the outside tho too

[grave spade]

Black 3.0

[spare sedge]

LMAO

[brave brook]

No, just no

[spare sedge]

that would be cool tho

[grave spade]

There could be cockroaches inside and you wouldn’t know

[vast geyser]

they should really make a small h9 flow..

[brave brook]

If you’re painting glass black, just get a case with a solid side panel

[spare sedge]

so back to mb

[pure mica]

Ye lol

[spare sedge]

what are these

[grave spade]

Lían li stocks

[pure mica]

Google

[spare sedge]

ik mini pcie now

[brave brook]

Where is this from

[spare sedge]

but what is half mini

[grave spade]

Irrelevance

[spare sedge]

pcpp

[grave spade]

Dead technology

[brave brook]

Yes but where specifically

[vast geyser]

just ignore them

[vast geyser]

motherboard i think?

[spare sedge]

side panel on this mb

[vast geyser]

dream have u watched the vid i sent

[spare sedge]

what is msata

[brave brook]

Which mb

[spare sedge]

no but i will at work

[pure mica]

I got a good website for you to found out it call google

[brave brook]

Could you just look it up?

[spare sedge]

this is the image that helped me out

[brave brook]

It’s nvme but significantly worse

And old

And useless

[spare sedge]

is half mini older than mini

mini pcie is nvme??

that makes sense

[pure mica]

Google

[grave spade]

Wait fuck

[spare sedge]

wait that means

[grave spade]

Mentioning that was a mistake

[brave brook]

A what? And why

[spare sedge]

the m2 use this

the b+m key for m2

[vast geyser]

is the d31 mesh with the screen available anywhere

[brave brook]

Do not get a sata m.2

Literally no point

[spare sedge]

and the mini pcie uses e key

[spare sedge]

what is a sata m2

[vast geyser]

buying a sata m.2 is trolling

[pure mica]

Lol

[brave brook]

An nvme ssd but worse in every way

[spare sedge]

i hear m2 is the best ssd

[vast geyser]

m.2 is a form factor

[brave brook]

Nvme specifically not m.2

[brave brook]

Because this

[spare sedge]

i thought m2 ssd were nvme

[brave brook]

M.2 is just a form factor

[grave spade]

2280 pcie gen anything is best

[brave brook]

Yes

[vast geyser]

man cant wait to talk about cases

i have a good one

[grave spade]

Convince her the Inwin z tower is the best case

[vast geyser]

lmfao

[brave brook]

For ssd just get a couple 980 pros — 1 500gb one for boot, 1 2tb for files/games

[vast geyser]

bleh

[grave spade]

Just get 1 2tb one or 4tb

No benefit having a seperate boot

[brave brook]

Or get a 970 evo 2tb, doesn’t matter

[vast geyser]

sn850x + msi m461 4tb

[vast geyser]

it makes stuff much easier tbh

[grave spade]

I like this

[grave spade]

No

[brave brook]

Yeah that too

[brave brook]

Why do you think that

Why isn’t it easier

[grave spade]

It’s only one drive. All your games go on there and not all apps allow you to install on anything but the boot drive

[vast geyser]

when you have to reinstall windows u can have the games and files separately

[grave spade]

And when they get full you’re not wasting storage

[brave brook]

If your windows os gets messed up, you don’t have to reinstall all your games, and visa versa for the games

[grave spade]

Why would your os get messed up unless you’re doing dumb stuff

[vast geyser]

always expect the worst

[brave brook]

That’s why you install your apps on the c drive, and all your games on the d drive

[grave spade]

If there’s a problem with the installation you’d likely realise before you install everything

[brave brook]

You’re not going to have 350gb of programs

[grave spade]

Personal preference I guess

[brave brook]

Especially with Xbox games, it’s better for them to be separate, because Microsoft is ass

[grave spade]

Oh hell nah

As much as I love msfs

Can’t stand Microsoft

[brave brook]

My brother’s Xbox games install borked itself, and he couldn’t uninstall any games, but they were still taking up space. He had to format

And he couldn’t remove the files because Microsoft

[grave spade]

Where’s macrosoft

We need them to fix it

[brave brook]

What?

[grave spade]

Don’t worry

[brave brook]

Tell that to dream about 50% of her questions

[grave spade]

RAID 10 with 990 pros

[brave brook]

Why

[grave spade]

Yes.

[brave brook]

No

[grave spade]

How about raid 60

[haughty quail]

i run raid 1 with two 1tb 980's

[grave spade]

I can’t believe you don’t have 8 of them in raid 60

Disappointing

[spare sedge]

what is raid

[thorn portal]

its a way of keeping your data safe in case a storage device fails

for example

if you have 2 ssds and you use raid 1 then it would mirror the data from one of the ssds to the other ssd so if one of the ssds fail then the other one will still have the data

[vast geyser]

uhhh

theres multiple types of raid

lets not get into them

its a huge rabbithole

[brave brook]

yes

[thorn portal]

yeah

[brave brook]

for this build it doesnt matter

[open iris]

You say that like the fact of it mattering would stop dream

[brave brook]

there are so many, especially with zfs

[brave brook]

im not explaining every different raid configuration

that would bring this thread up to 10k as well

[brave brook]

i will say over and over, you dont need it. if you really must know, google it

[spring wraith]

dont get dominators

they come with bad ram ics

@spare sedge https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DtFbt6/gskill-trident-z5-rgb-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-f5-6000j3040g32gx2-tz5rk

this is what id recommend

pretty much guaranteed hynix

not too pricey

and a good kit for ryzen overall imo

[brave brook]

Yes that is perfect

Imo gskill trident is epic

[spring wraith]

not inherently

its all about the IC

[brave brook]

Looks so cool, is pretty cheap, and from what I heard, the Hynix chips they have are to the moon overclockers

[spring wraith]

not all trident z5 kits have hynix ics

but yeah

[brave brook]

Well, the ones that do then lol

[brave brook]

And assuming these do, this is the kit to get

[vast geyser]

do they?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NsbTWt

[brave brook]

Matx?

[vast geyser]

sorry sorry just had to put it out there

[brave brook]

Atx sales volume is so much higher, there’s way more variety

[vast geyser]

yeah but d31 ❤️

has screen n stuff

nvm theres a d41

[brave brook]

Is that atx?

[vast geyser]

yeah

gpu clearance is so shit wtf

[open iris]

Matx is based ngl

It's the sweet spot

[haughty quail]

well

it is a good pc

so make it

?

[solar cliff]

And you’re spending $20k on a pc

[vast geyser]

dawg

get out

[spring wraith]

fuck no

its nice if you want a smaller pc but atx has so much more functionality

off pcie slots alone

and more high end boards

but yeah i love the d31

and ap201

[open iris]

literally barely anybody is using more than 1 pcie x16 slot

you cant convince me otherwise

[spring wraith]

what happens if your nic fails

[open iris]

all you need is an x4

[spring wraith]

what happens if you use a shit ton of storage and want extra m.2s (this person is doing ai shit)

[open iris]

which most matx boards have

[spring wraith]

its far less flexibility for the same price

[open iris]

a lot of matx boards have multiple m.2s as well

[spring wraith]

also half of them dont even have optical outs iirc

[open iris]

also matx boards are usually cheaper

[spring wraith]

so do itx boards

[spring wraith]

and usually far qorse

with the exception of like the b650m aorus elite

[open iris]

then why did you even bring it up as a point???

[spring wraith]

because you can saturate them easily???

have you ever talked to a professional about their needs in a pc

[open iris]

what the hell are you even on about

for 90% of people the difference between an atx and matx board is irrelevant

[solar cliff]

nty

[vast geyser]

how

[open iris]

were also at a very funny stage where the extra slots actually might as well not even be there unless you use a riser cause the gpu blocks them all lmao

[spring wraith]

find me a good matx lga1700 board

its like impossible

theres only a couple good ones on am5, thats it

and those are only good because am5 cpus are efficient

aside from the gene obv

[spring wraith]

no shit

for 90% of people the difference between a $2500 pc and $800 pc is irrelevant

[open iris]

what arbitary things do you want for this matx board for an example?

[spring wraith]

a vrm that wont shit itself with a 13900k

ability to run ok ram

at least 2 m.2 ports

at least like 6-7 usb a ports, ideally an optical out too

[open iris]

https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-z690-g-gaming-wifi-model/

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-Z690M-MORTAR-WIFI

[spring wraith]

that isnt available

like anywhere

[spring wraith]

can you find the vrm specs

i dont see any

[spring wraith]

and when it was, you could get considerably better boards for the same price

[vast geyser]

how tf does lga 1700 matter in this thread

[open iris]

cant actually as well but vrms in general dont really matter at the high end cause its been proven basically any z690 can run a 13900k fine

warship

[spring wraith]

LOL

[spare sedge]

so im watching that video at work

i understand hes going over relevant boards. its a good source

but i have a ton of questions

what is post code

and clock gen

and dual x8

[spring wraith]

dual x8 = two pcie x8 slots, meaning you can get better bandwidth for either dual gpus or a gpu + another device

as opposed to just having one pcie x16 slot (for your gpu) and an x4 slot (way less bandwidth) for your second device

[spring wraith]

"posting" is just a series of tests and procedures that your motherboard carries out when you start it up

a "post code" basically just communicates what the motherboard is doing at any given time

this is super useful for troubleshooting as you can see what kind of error is occurring if you come across one

for example a memory error, cpu error, motherboard error, memory controller error, etc.

[spring wraith]

a clock generator basically just sets the "timing" of everything connected to the motherboard

the point of raising your clock gens speeds is to raise the speed of your cpu

[spare sedge]

the guy speaks of post code like its really expensive this gen and that most cheaper boards dont have it anymore.

this isnt a problem for me, but are their different tiers of post codes?

ive seen the analog number ones and ive seen the rgb light ones.

the ones im used to are just the beeps.

im not a stranger to a no post pc.

[spring wraith]

but, the problem with doing this is that it also raises the speeds of most other things connected to your motherboard, primarily drives, which can kill them pretty quick

thats why having an external clock gen (or eclk) is useful, because it ONLY affects your cpu

so you can overclock locked cpus with it (like the 7950x3d)

[spare sedge]

oh so not gen like generation. its gen for generator.

in the case of clock gen

[spring wraith]

yeah post codes are just the analog number ones

the rgb lights are like post leds or whatever

[spring wraith]

yes

clock generator

BCLK is your normal clock gen (the one that affects everything) and ECLK is the external one that just affects your cpu

its probably not super useful for you as i dont think youre gonna be overclocking? afaik

[spare sedge]

ohh i think thats what he said in the video. i left out the external part.

so external clock generator or gen or eclk

clk for clock im guessing and no g for gen.

[spring wraith]

yes

the b is for base

bclk = base clock

eclk = external clock

[vast geyser]

post codes make it very easy to troubleshoot

[spare sedge]

that was the most ive learned in 7 mins.

[vast geyser]

and ig they were way more commkn back then

[spring wraith]

yeah they were

[vast geyser]

buildzoid is like a mountain of knowledge

[spare sedge]

yeah but they were under valued so companies knew they could make more money off of it so now you have to pay more money for them

[spring wraith]

eh

[vast geyser]

fym eh

[spring wraith]

hes weird about ddr5 shit

and e cores

[vast geyser]

how

[spring wraith]

unable to clock ddr5 well

despite having a binned imc

[spare sedge]

good to know

[spring wraith]

also calls e cores "error cores"

[spring wraith]

and the best ddr5 boards

[spare sedge]

what are e cores

[spring wraith]

theyre on intel cpus

theyre "efficiency cores" (not efficient but) that are used for background tasks and rendering stuff primarily

[spare sedge]

literally what im watching now. not a bad source for hearing mb feature options in the background. even if he doesnt explain what they are.

[spring wraith]

think of it as like having 2 sets of cores

the high performance p-cores then the lower performance but more plentiful e cores

[spring wraith]

yes hes great for mobo roundups

especially for amd

goes over the features well

[spare sedge]

oh wait nvm im watching

so diff guy prolly

[spring wraith]

no thats buildzoid

[spare sedge]

oh good. i got confused cause the description sounded just like him

good to know it is him

[spare sedge]

seeing the options listed like this is nice

[spring wraith]

yes

[spare sedge]

cause i didnt even know what was out there

[spring wraith]

true

[abstract wyvern]

Not again

[vast geyser]

i mean he hit 8000 on am5 in the end..

[vast geyser]

came to any conclusions?

[spare sedge]

okay so i restarted the video knowing what ive learned. and i already have more questions

[spare sedge]

light years from picking a mb

[vast geyser]

ask away

i have a feeling i know which

[spare sedge]

so what exactly is usb type A and is 6 like a standard or something

and what is bios flashback

[vast geyser]

type A is the port that everything uses

[vast geyser]

you can update bios without a cpu

[vast geyser]

you can easily google that

[spring wraith]

its easier

sorta

[vast geyser]

idk bout easy tbh

[spare sedge]

im at work

[vast geyser]

and yet youre watching a 1 hour buildzoid video twice 😭

[spring wraith]

easier than intel to stabilize for daily

[spring wraith]

making your employer pay for u to learn about pc shit

optimal

[spare sedge]

literally

what is the "basic set of audio ports"

is 1 usb type c standard?

and where do you check a mbs power delivery

[vast geyser]

headphone microphone and smth else

[vast geyser]

there isnt a standard for them

[vast geyser]

i think you basically dont

cause as you heard, theyre thermally limited and not power limited

so it doesnt really matter

[spare sedge]

that statement was about the ryzen 7000 cpus

theres gotta be a way about power delivery

also i ask about usb stuff cause it honestly confuses me because there are so many usb types and idk why i would need any of them for a pc

i want to know the standard

typical number of ports

[open iris]

usb

[spare sedge]

so troubleshooting LEDs are not the same thing as a post code then?

[open iris]

reason why linus has made like 4 different rant videoss about usb

[vast geyser]

no

[vast geyser]

there isnt a standard

[spare sedge]

and what is the standard for m.2 slots

[vast geyser]

i think its minimum 3

minim 2

the hdv only has 2

[spare sedge]

what is a gen 4 x16?

is he paraphrasing pcie x16

[vast geyser]

did u learn nothing from the conversations we had the morning

[spring wraith]

fourth pcie generation

and its an x16 slot

meaning full bandwidth

[spare sedge]

okii so it is shorthand

[spring wraith]

yes

gen 4 x8 is equivalent to gen 3 x16 bandwidth wise iirc

[spare sedge]

so pcie 4 ia gen 4 and gen 5 is the newest one

[spring wraith]

yes

you dont rlly need gen 5

but

its nice i guess if youre gonna upgrade your gpu later

[spare sedge]

and so the gen describes bandwidth then only?

[vast geyser]

4080 barely uses gen 3 btw

[vast geyser]

yes

[spare sedge]

yeah i heard the 4090 isnt gen 5 so no point

[spring wraith]

yes

[vast geyser]

i mean barely fully utilizes it

[spring wraith]

yes but if youre in x8 mode

[vast geyser]

why tf would you be though

[spring wraith]

capture card

or pcie ssd aic

[vast geyser]

having an AV1 encoding gpu then using a capture card is like scamming yourself tbh

[spring wraith]

not really

av1 is great but not truly lossless or whatever

[vast geyser]

there really isnt a performance loss

[spring wraith]

its not about rhat

and yeah if u want no perf loss just use quicksync

[spare sedge]

dual x8 is better than x16 and x4 right so that should be a good reason

im on lunch now

here are the mbs he goes over

so which ever mb you choose it actually does have a small impact on performance but not as much as the ram

[maiden pasture]

Damn rip the old thread

[spare sedge]

its fine better than people say 20k budget and 12k messages???

every 5 mins

[vast geyser]

yeah but idk how you could ever use dual x8

[maiden pasture]

Yeah fair enough

[brave brook]

Anything change while I was gone?

[spare sedge]

how many m.2 slots is typical

2?

[vast geyser]

really depends

[brave brook]

It depends on the motherboard. On x670, it’s usually 4

Well chipset rather

[open lava]

I got 3 on mine and using 2 atm

[spare sedge]

i mean in general

also what does he mean when he says gen by 4

[brave brook]

2-4

[brave brook]

pcie gen 4, as opposed to gen 3, or gen 5

[spare sedge]

im guessing pcie x4

[brave brook]

all nvme ssds are 4 lanes of pcie

[spare sedge]

ik when pcie gens are

but he says 4 by 4 lmao

[brave brook]

oh yeah

sorry i didnt read it right

[brave brook]

yes, that is correct

[spare sedge]

so gen 5 is very uncommon

[vast geyser]

yes

and only for passionate file movers

[spare sedge]

sata is only for ssds or is it for hdds too

[vast geyser]

hdds as well

[spare sedge]

i keep mixing sata with ethernet

[vast geyser]

and fan and argb hubs

[spare sedge]

what are argb hubs

[vast geyser]

a hub to plug argb devices in

[spare sedge]

also whats argh

[vast geyser]

addressable rgb

[spare sedge]

argb

whats addressable rgb??

[vast geyser]

basically u can control the color

and its not just red green and blue

[spare sedge]

isnt that just rgb

[vast geyser]

for fans

[vast geyser]

.

[spare sedge]

whats the difference between rgb and argb

[vast geyser]

just google it

[modest valve]

Rgb displays one color at a time while argb can display multiple

For ex if u have an argb fan, u can control each led on that fan but if you have a simple rgb fan, then the controls for all the leds will be the same

Argb is more common and versatile nowadays so it’s a no brainer to go for argb options if available

[orchid gate]

Hows progress

What confirmed parts are there now

[modest valve]

Still on mobo but narrowed it down to x670e I think

[vast geyser]

i really dont get why yet

[orchid gate]

What about the others

Like cpu and GPU are confirmed, any more?

[vast geyser]

maybe ram?

[orchid gate]

imma need a pcpartpicker link if I miss out any more

[vast geyser]

fuck i just realized

we are gonna have to talk about psus

[orchid gate]

Yes

[vast geyser]

if it took 2 days for a gpu i dont want to imagine psus

[orchid gate]

I said to leave that till last

[modest valve]

We’ll just pick a tier a psu with high wattage and rating

[vast geyser]

nanana

doesnt work like that

again, took 2 days for a gpu

[modest valve]

It’ll be hard to explain to her thi

[vast geyser]

the easiest part to pick

[orchid gate]

And all of them were 4090s

[vast geyser]

exactly

[orchid gate]

She’s willing to research and check back

Which is actually a concern

[vast geyser]

all 4090s that perform like 4090s

[modest valve]

Also has she decided on a micro atx mobo