how much faster will a 5-10% faster CPU boot?

[limber rose]

As far as i thought, the SSD speed was the most important factor
Yes

I need my pc to boot as fast as possible
Why?

Ah the timeout thing I see

[tidal bridge]

Cpu won’t do jack shit

[limber rose]

In general, a 10% faster CPU is not going to boot 10% faster

What two CPUs are you considering?

[tidal bridge]

Especially if it’s a 5600/5700 type of thing

[limber rose]

Different OS's, Drive count, number of USB devices, number of startup applications, all have a much bigger impact

What service could be so critical that 2 seconds is a game changer? Is this your minecraft server again?

[polar hound]

sanic my friend how have you been

[polar hound]

are you still pissed off at me or are we good?

I have to behave professionally now since ive hit the big number

i thought you blocked me as well

[limber rose]

Don't be annoying or combative and we'll be happy to help

[frank trellis]

Could also increase the service timeout
https://serverfault.com/questions/622432/how-do-i-increase-windows-service-startup-timeout

[polar hound]

great to hear. I'm sorry for my behaviour nearly exactly 2 years ago

or was it 1 year ago

1 year ago

[tidal bridge]

Am I missing something?

[polar hound]

i can't. Its a client timeout

[polar hound]

me and sanic had some beef back in the day. I was a douche and he was pissed at me

[limber rose]

Weird way to describe it but sure.
Would you mind answering the questions I asked?

[tidal bridge]

Ah, I see. Glad to see that’s behind you

[polar hound]

you guessed it

there is a 30 second timeout when joining a server

from boot to being able to join is about 34 seconds

[tidal bridge]

What?

[polar hound]

im upgrading anyways and wanted to know if cpu would affect boot time but you effectively answered that already

[limber rose]

Why isn't the server just already running?

[polar hound]

power has gotten quite expensive...

its not necessary but just a nice touch

but like i said you basically answered it already

[tidal bridge]

Oh wait, mb, I read it wrong

[limber rose]

Remember like a year ago when I said you'd be better off leaving it running instead of trying to boot it on demand?

[polar hound]

yeah i remember. however, i persisted and even now i have a remote machine i boot with WoL then remote desktop into it

its just what works for me

[limber rose]

Sounds like it's causing you issues

Like having a long startup time

The correct answer here is, as always, to leave it running

[polar hound]

well to be honest this is what ive had: when i launch my minecraft launcher it launches a batch file that send the WoL

so actually its up and running WAY before i even load minecraft

even if it was 2x as slow

but it would just be a nice touch

if you could send the packet and join right away

[tidal bridge]

And if power is an issue, get a laptop-type pc for the server

[polar hound]

and it join without a timeout

[hasty oak]

I swear it will be faster. But itl be so marginal itd be impossible to notice

[tidal bridge]

Damn, 32 seconds instead of 34. So much faster 🤩

[polar hound]

the OTHER question was weather minecraft server was single core or multicore

[hasty oak]

I imagine multi-core. But not entirely sure

[polar hound]

well thats the thing. If its just under 30, the booting the server and joining won't result in a timeout

[tidal bridge]

Is this server serving people other than yourself?

[polar hound]

thats the thing thouhg. On youtube if you want the minecraft java GAME, its WAY faster with loading everything in multicore like 8c vs 16c

[polar hound]

yeah minecaft server

however, read this:

[tidal bridge]

Not helpful

What does that even mean

[polar hound]

Is Minecraft Java single-core?
Minecraft servers are famously single-threaded and those who host servers for large player bases often pay handsomely for a server that has gobs of memory and ripping fast single-core performance.Apr 3, 2023

[polar hound]

bro look at your pfp 😂😂

you know what a minecraft server is

[hasty oak]

Source your damm facts bro

[limber rose]

He's asking if others are going to be on the server

[tidal bridge]

Yes, I asked if this server is being used by people other than yourself

[polar hound]

ah yes

[polar hound]

i answered that i thought

[limber rose]

Nope

[tidal bridge]

Not really

[limber rose]

☝️

[polar hound]

ok yeah its for others too

[limber rose]

Is it actually being used by others, or in theory? Because last time you eventually said no one else is using it

[tidal bridge]

But anyway, they all have to wait until you start it up, correct? So they all can’t play unless youre playing?

[limber rose]

It's almost like servers are meant to left running for continuous access

[polar hound]

no this time i have 1 person playing 🤣 with me

[tidal bridge]

If no one else is using it, there’s no reason to have a server

[polar hound]

no thats the thing

they can boot it remotely like i do

[tidal bridge]

Oh yeah ok

[polar hound]

i have port 9 port forwarded to my machine

[tidal bridge]

That makes sense

[polar hound]

UDP

so they can send a magic paket its called that does Wake on Lan

Wake on Lan isnt designed for WAN but it can be used like i have

[tidal bridge]

Yeah

[polar hound]

so in my case

I have a batch file that runs the WoL paket and my minecraft launcher

[tidal bridge]

Yeah lol, it’s called wake on lan for a reason

[polar hound]

so its up and running WAY before i even load my launcher (launcher takes like 2 mins to load)

[tidal bridge]

Yeah

[tidal bridge]

So speeding up the launch doesn’t matter does it?

[polar hound]

however, others who play might not have the skills to set up like i have with a batch file booting both

[polar hound]

thats what im getting into now

[tidal bridge]

You said it takes 30 seconds to boot up the server

[polar hound]

for me, no its doesn't matter unless 1 condition

[polar hound]

listen this:

Other people have a batch file on their desktop

so they launch the batch file that send the packet then they join

if they were to run the batch file the join right away, they will get a timeout

[limber rose]

That wildly and unnecessarily complicated

[polar hound]

since its just slightly too long

[tidal bridge]

So after they start the launcher, open the batch file.

Why wait until the launcher is open

[limber rose]

I see you haven't changed one bit since a year ago

[polar hound]

no no no its all mixed up here

[tidal bridge]

The fuck are you saying then

[polar hound]

in my case i just have a simple batch file that runs both my WoL packet and my launcher, so when I launch it, its up way before i join

however others might not have the skills to set something like that up, so they just have the WoL batch file on their desktop

[tidal bridge]

How is it different for them

[polar hound]

because theirs doesn't automatically get launched when their launcher launches

so if they were to lets say forget to boot my server

[tidal bridge]

Yes, so they open the launcher and right after, open the batch file. You’d aid it takes 30 seconds for the server to start, snd 2 minutes for the launcher to open. That’s plenty of time

[polar hound]

thats true, but im saying they might forget to, and do it once they have their client up

[limber rose]

Or, you could just leave the server running

[polar hound]

im not going to pay for electicity, its 35c per kwh 😥

[limber rose]

what hardware are you using?

it's not like you're running a server farm

[polar hound]

it doesn't use much, but its more than 0

sanic i get your point ok, i really do, but this isn't a project from work, or school

this is something for me to enjoy

and im only going to enjoy it doing it my way

[limber rose]

Classic

[polar hound]

whats the point of fdoing a personal project a way someone else wants?

[limber rose]

Have fun! You've been given the correct answer

[polar hound]

thanks for at least talking with me this time

have a great day sanic

[limber rose]

Thank you for not calling me a dumbass for explaining how servers are supposed to work this time

[polar hound]

i really did that last time?

[tidal bridge]

Ok. Coming around to the original question, new cpu won’t change boot times enough for it to be worth it. Either setup the WoL you have on the other persons computer, or keep the server on and use lower power hardware

[polar hound]

sorry man

[polar hound]

yeah let me just finish since i never managed to quite finish

we agree cpu doesnt affect boot

but thats not where most of the time lies

[tidal bridge]

Or they can wait 30 seconds for the server to boot it’s not a big deal

[polar hound]

boot takes about 15 seconds

[tidal bridge]

Even bette

[polar hound]

completely agree its just a quality thing

[tidal bridge]

Better,l

[limber rose]

Just add timeout /t 30 to the batch script

[polar hound]

but isn't that client based? i thought it was client based?

[limber rose]

I mean if the priority was quality then you wouldn't be asking people to run a batch script to join a MC server

[polar hound]

the other 20 seconds is spent running on an extremely CPU intensive task, starting the server

thats where the CPU upgrade comes in

it WILL affect this part

[tidal bridge]

Not really

Minecraft is single threaded, so if the cores can boost higher, it’ll be faster

[polar hound]

it will. Ive timed it with i5-6600, i7-7700k and i3-12100, all vastly different times

i3-12100 destroys the other 2 cpus

its what i currently have

[pastel zodiac]

Jesus, just get yourself a raspberry pi and call it a day, that uses like 2watts

[tidal bridge]

What are you going to upgrade to

[tidal bridge]

I literally said use lower power hardware multiple times

[pastel zodiac]

A damn night light will use more

[limber rose]

Yep, it'd be about $9/year with the kwh cost he mentioned
The 12100 is only $4/month idle cost

[tidal bridge]

I think it’s 10-15W, but still not much

[polar hound]

can't its too weak. Flying around with elytra with the i5-6600 had the CPU spiking to 80-90%

[pastel zodiac]

Max load

[polar hound]

thats 1 player doing it at 1 time

5x would make it really laggy

[pastel zodiac]

Pi4 can handle like 20 people

Once chunks are loaded

[tidal bridge]

Sounds like you’ll either have to suck up with the power draw, or set up that WoL thing with the launcher on your “clients’” computers

[polar hound]

exactly so here is my final question

[polar hound]

yeah no i already have everything set up it works without a problem

its just a nicer thing if it doesn't timeout

[tidal bridge]

You never answered my question about what cpu you were going to upgrade to

[polar hound]

ah

i5-12600k

[tidal bridge]

No

That’s not going to help

[limber rose]

The real answer is that Polski has spent an untold number of hours trying to get Wake-on-LAN working because he thinks it's cool and impressive. His reasons for doing so have changed over the past year (before, it was because concerns over SSD degredation). It's just sunk cost fallacy, and saving the $2/month in electricity is a coping mechanism.

[tidal bridge]

Fewer cores with higher boost clocks is much better. The only way a 12600k would help is if you had like 20 people on at the same time every day

[polar hound]

you don't know how obsesed i am with WoL. Even boxes of old motherboard i check if they support WoL

[pastel zodiac]

He probably used enough electricity on this conversation to run the server for a year…

[polar hound]

that i randomly find

[tidal bridge]

I am of no use here anymore. Goodbye everyone. Have fun with your server

[polar hound]

i just love it haha. its super fun. Sunken cost fallacy suggest struggle or something not fun

i fully enjoy doing this though

[pastel zodiac]

You know that the consumed electricity is helping to reduce your heating bill right?

[limber rose]

Then own up to it, don't rely on excuses for being impractical.

[polar hound]

sure i own up to it, i have an addiction to WoL

don't even get me started on WoWLAN 🤑

[limber rose]

Good luck, kid

[polar hound]

goodbye my friend

[limber rose]

No one here is your friend

[tidal bridge]

Go find help somewhere else

[polar hound]

thanks for the contributions today

[tidal bridge]

Tag this as resolved

[polar hound]

i think i did

is it?

[tidal bridge]

Yes

[polar hound]

i think minecraft java game client uses many cores but the server uses 1 core i might be wrong

[polar hound]

i looked at 2c vs 4c vs 8c vs 16c gameplay and making new world etc. is way faster

[tidal bridge]

Ok

If you want get a 12600 I don’t care

What you’re doing anyway is stupid

[polar hound]

you know what. i can just test by disabling cores in EUFI and see the difference

then i will know if its single core speed dependant or multi-core speed dependant

single core speed difference is too small

but multicore difference is significant enough

[gentle narwhal]

A 30 second wait time for a friend to start a server vs something that would be external-user/customer facing.. I'm in the exact same boat of the only real solution is to either leave the server running or deal with the jank that comes with how you want to do it

Hell people wait longer for aternos servers to start, so i don't really think it's an issue at all and there are no good solutions for what you wish to achieve except for leaving it running

[polar hound]

no thats the thing. i have already dealt with it for the past year and its worked flawlessly

[polar hound]

it wasn't that. Its just if it was a tad faster the connection wouldn't timeout if they join and boot at the same time since the timeout is 30 seconds and the time for the server to boot is about 34 seconds

Im getting an upgrade of CPU and wanted to know if it would be fast enough to push below that 30 second boundry

but it depends now if minecraft server is single core or multi-core dependant

since the single core difference in the CPUs is basically 0

but the multicore is about 20%

It was just something i was wondering about thats all

[gentle narwhal]

All depends on what server software you're using (paper, spigot, vanilla, bukket, etc..), some make optimizations and others don't, cpu perf isn't going to affect anything here very likely

[polar hound]

thats the thing. Ive already tested with different CPUs and it makes a big difference

[gentle narwhal]

Your best bet if you wish for the fastest response times, is to leave the machine running, but have the server on a inactivity shutdown timer and remotely start it whenever you wish to access it

[polar hound]

like 105 seconds vs 35 seconds difference im talking

the CPU goes to 100% for at least like 10-15 seconds

ill see its ok

i will test 2c vs 4c difference and see if there is much of a difference

[gentle narwhal]

It's a lot of wasted money for something with way more elegant solutions

[polar hound]

im upgrading it anyways so it doesn't matter either way

[gentle narwhal]

Think outside of the box instead of within the closed box, i'll leave it at that, have fun

[polar hound]

im upgrading my main CPU, so my old cpu is going into the server