I am building my first PC ever

[turbid elm]

It’s still dp 1.4 at the source

[low barn]

you cant magically add bandwidth

[vale mulch]

does it turn into hdmi 2.1 or hdmi 1.4 for somereason

it would have to be hdmi 2.1 right

[turbid elm]

It’s nearly the capacity of hdmi 2.1

[vale mulch]

no no

im asking

if you convert dp to hdmi what happens if the card has dp1.4 and hdmi 2.1

[night jasper]

it will be hdmi 2.1

[vale mulch]

ty

another question

[low barn]

wait wait wait

[velvet falcon]

No it won't be

[turbid elm]

Kinda

[low barn]

it will simply be dp 1.4 disguised as a hdmi port

[vale mulch]

can i turn my 1 hdmi into multiple hdmi

[turbid elm]

Yes

[fierce spindle]

You still need to buy everything.. why would u buy monitors that dont fit? 😂

[low barn]

its like putting on a suit

[turbid elm]

With a switch?

[vale mulch]

is that a question or an answer

like can i with a switch or no

[low barn]

its like 3 kids in movies putting a long jacket so they disguise as an adult

[turbid elm]

Well, why are you wanting to duplicate it?

[fierce spindle]

You can, but you loose bandwidth and most solutions are wonky at best

[night jasper]

it does not change the bandwith (much) but redirects it from what ive heard

[vale mulch]

im not

[low barn]

the best explanation for dp to hdmi

[vale mulch]

im seeing if i can mitigate extra hdmi ports on cards with a loophole route

the benefits of this are amazing if possible

[low barn]

it will just be easier to add a lp one

[fierce spindle]

Why would u want that?

[vale mulch]

you can have more hdmi ports for less money.

[low barn]

ok how many monitors do you want bruh

[vale mulch]

and you can consider other options without feeling forced to buy options with 2 hdmi built in

[night jasper]

this is my build its around 2000$ so it fits your budget
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7RtWZJ

[velvet falcon]

This like only remotely matters for people with like 5 monitors lmao

[vale mulch]

the whole point of this is to eliminate the rog if possible

or the tuf at least

[low barn]

ure overcomplicating this

buy dp cables

[vale mulch]

no i am not

[low barn]

basically every monitor is dp

[vale mulch]

i am asking a question. if it cant be answered here. i will find a way

[night jasper]

not all

[low barn]

if its from the last decade

[vale mulch]

so if a card has 1 hdmi port. is there a way of turning it into more than 1?

[rose pollen]

12k messages 🫠

[low barn]

dp to hdmi

[fierce spindle]

Using a converter = converting to the weakest link in the chain. So why wont u just use a dp cable but turn a better hdmi cable in a worse dp cable with extra connectors? 😂

[low barn]

idk what ur issue is im having fun

[vale mulch]

i dont get the joke here. but i hear the sarcasm

[rose pollen]

No issues, just impressive tbh

[fierce spindle]

Its not a joke

[vale mulch]

the hdmi shouldnt turn into dp 1.4

im asking is there a way to extend the hdmi 2.1

yes or no

[fierce spindle]

Yea, u can use a converter, but that wont change the signal ir wobt give u more bandwidth

[night jasper]

if you just need them for output and not for gamming a Radeon HD 7750 SFF 1GB GDDR3 has 2 hdmi ports

[vale mulch]

im not asking to change the signal or more bandwidth lol

[rose pollen]

bruh I hate the people who swear by amd cards

[low barn]

https://www.amazon.com/NEWCARE-HDMI-Switch-in-Out/dp/B07RY7Y9PR/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=hdmi+to+multi+adapter&qid=1691708390&sr=8-4 apparently?

[fierce spindle]

So you can physically plug in hdmi in do ports with a converter yes, but that wont change a dp1.4 or dp2.0 in a hdmi 2.1

[low barn]

if ure gonne be an asshole see yourself out

[night jasper]

i found that through google i am looking at a 4070 rn for my build

[rose pollen]

I think they are equal brands though

[vale mulch]

i literally just want a converter that turn 1x hdmi 2.1 into idk maybe 2x hdmi 2.1?

[night jasper]

both are good

[low barn]

impossible

[rose pollen]

Yes

[low barn]

you have to downgrade the hdmi version

[vale mulch]

why

[fierce spindle]

Bc bandwith

[low barn]

bandwidth

let me explain

you have a 1 line meter

[fierce spindle]

You can do it physically... But not the signal

[low barn]

you cant turn that 1 line meter into 2 1 line meters just by cutting it

you have a cookie

[rose pollen]

what is dream deciding on rn?

[low barn]

if you split the cookie in 2, you wont have 2 full sized cookies

[fierce spindle]

You gotto understand the shape of the port is called hdmi or dp, but the signal and internals is what defines the version

[low barn]

you will have 2 halves of a cookie

[low barn]

thats bandwidth

[vale mulch]

i guess they are called splitters

[velvet falcon]

Idek ngl but this chat is always fun to watch

[low barn]

yes, but they wont have the bandwidth of a 2.1

it will be halved

[vale mulch]

i mean this is why i asked

[turbid elm]

You also don’t need to split it

Just use a dp to hdmi cable

[fierce spindle]

So physically (the ports): most things are possible. But that doesnt mean u change bandwith. In a loop with convertors ur always stuck at the weakest link

[vale mulch]

but if i do that. will it be 1.4 and not 2.1??

knowing now what we do about splitting the 2.1 signal

[turbid elm]

It will be between 2.0 and 2.1 in terms of bandwidth

[low barn]

it will have the bandwidth of a dp 1.4 cable
but its disguised as hdmi cable

[low barn]

its like superman putting on his glasses

[vale mulch]

cause then i could just turn the 3 other dp 1.4 into hdmi 2.1

[low barn]

he disguises into clark kent but its still superman

[low barn]

i dont see why you would do that though

[fierce spindle]

Other question: why would u do this? What do u wanna achieve? Like whats the endgoal where whats ur asking could be a solution? Theres probably another solution for what you want. But what do you want?

[vale mulch]

see im hearing conflicting answers

[low barn]

its not

me n creeperboy are saying the same things but im making analogies

[turbid elm]

Dp 1.4 can do 4K@120 without dsc, which is what the hdmi bandwidth will be if you use an adapter

[low barn]

exactly

[low barn]

thx for the image though <3

[vale mulch]

it's either disguised hdmi with 1.4 signal or a hdmi with a 2 or 2.1 basically since 2 is just a non updated 2.1

you can download the 2.1 and 2.1a

[turbid elm]

No hdmi 2.1 can do a lot more than 2.0

[vale mulch]

IK

[fierce spindle]

What do you want? How many hdmi 2.1 or whatever version do you need and why?

[low barn]

ok im done explaining, your turn

[rose pollen]

to me it’s all hdmi lol

I dont understand the differences

[turbid elm]

What are you trying to figure out?

[low barn]

lets not have 2 conversations in 1 thread

[rose pollen]

Im just commenting on your conversation

ignore me

[low barn]

hdmi and displayport are simply different connectors

[turbid elm]

The main signal difference between hdmi and dp is that hdmi has 3 pairs of signal wires and 1 clock cycle pair of wires while dp has 4 signal pairs

[rose pollen]

ah I see

[low barn]

simply just different connectors

[rose pollen]

yes

[low barn]

displayport simply kind of better?

[rose pollen]

Maybe

[low barn]

it really doesnt matter tbh, use whatever

[vale mulch]

dp is always better than hdmi. but if its an old dp then no it's worse.

[turbid elm]

Bottom line is, dp 1.4 has all the bandwidth you need

[vale mulch]

so dp 1.4 is worse than hdmi 2.1

dp 2.1 is better than hdmi 2.1

[low barn]

yes
but
for current available monitors, theyre one and the same

there isnt a monitor available that can use the entire hdmi 2.1 bandwidth

[vale mulch]

thats fine

one day there will be

[low barn]

idk bout that

[velvet falcon]

Even if there was

[low barn]

worry about the present, not stuff 10 years in the future

[velvet falcon]

You would need way more than a 4090 lmao

[night jasper]

this is a headache why are we focused on HDMI vs DP i run what makes me happy and it works yall be to stressed

[low barn]

im having fun

im gigglin n kickin my feet n stuff

[night jasper]

then thats good

[vale mulch]

so dp 1.4 can't turn into hdmi 2.1. it turns into a hdmi but you lose the bandwidth here as well? and it behaves like a dp 1.4 with just a hdmi plug in. or kind of like a hdmi 1.4 in disguise is what you are saying?

[low barn]

nno

hdmi is backwards compatible

so its just dp 1.4 with hdmi connector

nothing more, nothing less

[vale mulch]

so it does upgrade to the full on hdmi 2.1 then?

with a converter

[low barn]

you cant magically add bandwidth

[velvet falcon]

No it's just dp

It stays dp

[vale mulch]

then why say no lmao

[low barn]

its the same reason you cant use 20 usb hubs

[low barn]

cause you said it would be a hdmi 1.4 cable, which is wrong

[vale mulch]

so it basically can only turn into a hdmi 1.4

what does the dp 1.4 turn into

[velvet falcon]

It doesn't turn into anything

[vale mulch]

thats not true

[low barn]

god give me patience

[vale mulch]

the converter turns it into hdmi

so whats the number then

[low barn]

ther eisnt

[velvet falcon]

Thinking of it as display port going through hdmi

Instead of converting

[vale mulch]

so its still dp 1.4

[velvet falcon]

Yes

[vale mulch]

yeah thats what i meant

and thats awful

[low barn]

took long enough oh my god

[vale mulch]

that is not a solution lmao

[velvet falcon]

The thing i don't understand is solution to what

[low barn]

solution to a problem that doesnt exist

[velvet falcon]

Can you say what exactly you're trying to solve

[vale mulch]

so you can't really convert your dp to hdmi unless you dont care about bandwidth

[velvet falcon]

Yes

[vale mulch]

its a price aggregation

[low barn]

its cheaper to just buy dp cables

[vale mulch]

i would explain more but the people here might not get it ig

[vale mulch]

no not this either

[low barn]

you mean between the rog and suprim x?

[vale mulch]

alright so then there is no options other than getting the rog or the tuf then

[low barn]

what?

[velvet falcon]

How many displays do you intend to have

[vale mulch]

the dp isnt a solution since it stays dp 1.4

[low barn]

it is a solution

[vale mulch]

what about the hdmi 2.1 port

[low barn]

it goes to 4k 120hz
you wont get a panel beyond that

[vale mulch]

what does the splitter turn it into

[velvet falcon]

You don't need full bandwidth for a secondary monitor

Frankly or your main monitor

[low barn]

without dsc

[velvet falcon]

Tf you gonna be doing on a side monitor where it actually matters is what I don't get

[low barn]

i need to pull out my strongest playlist for this

[velvet falcon]

A splitter wouldn't be good for you here cause the same thing would just be displayed on both monitors

[vale mulch]

the splitter gets you from 1xhdmi to 2xhdmi right?

can a splitter go beyond 2xhdmi?

[low barn]

lets stop talking about splitters for a second

[vale mulch]

okay

[low barn]

how many monitors do you want

5?

[turbid elm]

Why is this such a big deal. With a dp monitor, you can do 8k 60, or 4K 120 which is fine

[vale mulch]

im not answering this in fear that i wont get my answer without a bias for this answer

[vale mulch]

for graphics card comparison

[low barn]

im trying to explain that you dont need any splitters

[vale mulch]

im trying to figure out whats possible. not what im doing

[low barn]

youre fixing an issue that doesnt exist

[velvet falcon]

Also again splitters wouldn't help here

Cause you'd display the same thing on both monitors

[vale mulch]

okay so now can we go back to my question

a splitter can turn 1 hdmi into 2 hdmi right? can it go more than that

like can you get a splitter for 3 hdmi or 4 or 5

[turbid elm]

It can but why would you do that

[vale mulch]

is that a yes. or a yes not really

[low barn]

i see up to 4

[turbid elm]

An hdmi splitter will only duplicate displays I think

[low barn]

wait u may be right

[velvet falcon]

^ yeah as i was saying

[low barn]

yeah that makes sense actually

[turbid elm]

You can’t connect 2 displays to 1 port

At the same time

As in drive 2 displays simultaneously.

And with that, all the splitter does is duplicate the signal. In which case, it would probably have the same bandwidth of the single input

Chat just died lol

[low barn]

sorry had a stroke from this conversation

[turbid elm]

Not surprised

[low barn]

spending $300 more for a rog just cause of a hdmi port is kinda uh

[vale mulch]

looks like no solution then

[low barn]

so ure gonna run 3 4k 120hz monitors?

TVs*

[vale mulch]

if you try the hdmi 2.1 you cant get more hdmi 2.1 it turns into something else but not hdmi 2.1

and if you try the dp 1.4 you cant get hdmi 2.1 it stays dp 1.4 but as a hdmi.

[low barn]

yes, which is what we have been explaining

[vale mulch]

a weird restatement here

this is where i learned that from

[turbid elm]

Solution for what

[low barn]

uhh i have a solution
use monitors instead of tvs

[vale mulch]

im bad at explaining it

but basically the solution to aggregating the value of these graphics cards

[low barn]

an hdmi port is not worth $300

[turbid elm]

to what?

[vale mulch]

this means that a 2x hdmi 2.1a is actually worth $300

[turbid elm]

no tv youre getting should be more than 4k@60hz

[velvet falcon]

You see i just think it's a worthless assessment of value because it doesn't actually solve a practical problem

[turbid elm]

which this just so happens to do perfectly
https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Basics-DisplayPort-Display-Cable/dp/B08FBGMG2X?sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY

[vale mulch]

no this is wrong

[turbid elm]

what?

are you sure about that

[vale mulch]

because you cant turn dp 1.4 to hdmi 2.1 it stays as dp 1.4

you just change the physical compat

[turbid elm]

dp 1.4 does 5k@60, hdmi 2.0 does 4k@60

i think it works lol

[fierce spindle]

Avoid splitters and convertions if you dont need them

[vale mulch]

those are just the base stats of dp and hdmi

[turbid elm]

so?

[low barn]

they dont go super saiyan

i can assure you that

[turbid elm]

are you really going to have 2 gaming tv's plugged into your pc?

[vale mulch]

what you are saying isnt a solution. its a who cares because both go beyong expectations of whats possible today with monitors etc

no

[turbid elm]

solution to what

[fierce spindle]

90% of splitters are bullocks and are the weakest link in the chain. If they even work as intended in the first place

[fierce spindle]

Exactly...

[vale mulch]

what im saying is that there is no way to make up for having only 1 hdmi 2.1a.

[low barn]

there really isnt a problem...

[vale mulch]

you will have to be satisfied with less

[low barn]

by not caring, because monitors dont go above dp 1.4..

[velvet falcon]

this is true yes but its just not even a problem

[fierce spindle]

U can not change the version of a port by adding a piece of hardware to it.

[low barn]

ok yeah not all mb

[turbid elm]

yes, its called not needing 10k@60 on 2 hdmi only displays

[vale mulch]

there is a reason why the xtx has dp 2.1

and why the rog has 2 hdmi 2.1

[low barn]

cause they didnt cheap out

[vale mulch]

exactly

[turbid elm]

a dp display can do 8k@60 with dsc

[low barn]

kings of overkill and overpriced

[vale mulch]

i already know the capabilities of each

[low barn]

so then why do u care

[fierce spindle]

Imagine they try selling products by putting fancy numbers on paper

[turbid elm]

there is no solution needed here. only 1 hdmi doesnt matter literally at all

[vale mulch]

i mean. not really overpriced if no other option exists to mitigate its ports

[low barn]

i ran out of borat movies

[vale mulch]

meaning that if you need 2 hdmi 2.1 the rog and tuf are the ONLY options.

[low barn]

sure, but you dont need those

[vale mulch]

meaning they can't be crossed off

[low barn]

they def can

[vale mulch]

and need to be considered in some other way

[vale mulch]

not even close

[turbid elm]

DO YOU NEED 2 HDMI 2.1

[vale mulch]

idk yet lmao.

[velvet falcon]

the question should be if you need it not if someone in existence theorectially needs it

[low barn]

that seems like an issue for a future you

(arc a380)

[fierce spindle]

You might think it wont give u an answer or solve an issue: but why do you need 2.1? And why would you need 2 of them? Dont try to solve issues that wont be issues bc they have no use case in the next 5 years

[low barn]

i have a cheaper fix than buying a rog card

[vale mulch]

i just want 2.1 since its better than hdmi 1.4 and dp 1.4 and dp 2.1 isnt an option on 4090

[velvet falcon]

you cant actually use it as a point to access the value if you dont know if youll need it, should probably decide what monitor setup you want first

[turbid elm]

are you going to use more than 1 tv with your pc? if the answer is no, 2 hdmi 2.1 doesnt matter. again, dp 1.4 even without dsc will far overshoot any monitor worth buying now

[low barn]

want to hear me out

[vale mulch]

easy. the tuf

[low barn]

BAM

[fierce spindle]

Why is it better? What u gonna use it for?

[low barn]

or the tuf

[vale mulch]

if you really need 2 hdmi 2.1 ports, the tuf exists for $300 less BUT you lose out on vrms. so its a trade off

[velvet falcon]

resident arc hater on a turnover arc????

[turbid elm]

are you going to overclock?

[vale mulch]

yes

[low barn]

its an easy fix to everyones problems

also, they usually had issues when only using the arc

[velvet falcon]

but yeah

[vale mulch]

isnt that just an intel gpu

[velvet falcon]

you can just use a second gpu

if you care about ports that much

[low barn]

yea. but has a lot of dp 2.0

[low barn]

and is cheap

[vale mulch]

this is a great idea actually

its like an expensive converter

[low barn]

https://www.amazon.com/Asrock-Challenger-Intel-GDDR6-Graphics/dp/B0BFD8DSM3/ref=sr_1_1?crid=10KOLM30FM55A&keywords=arc+a380&qid=1691710822&sprefix=arc+a380-%2Caps%2C195&sr=8-1

[fierce spindle]

@vale mulch Just answer this one question: what are u gonna use your hdmi 2.1 for. And what would u use ur 2 hdmi 2.1 for?
Give us a reason why for this pc hdmi would be of better use to u than dp 1.5

[vale mulch]

waiitt waitt waiitt

is there a card for this???

like not a graphics card

[velvet falcon]

no

[vale mulch]

but just a hdmi 2.1 or dp 2.1 for your pcie bus

[turbid elm]

no

[vale mulch]

damn

[turbid elm]

no, no, and no

but anyway IT DOESNT MATTER

[low barn]

ARC A380 CAME TO SAVE THE DAY

[vale mulch]

in any case if there was itd be for your igpu capabilities not your 4090 lol

[vale mulch]

idk yet tbh

[fierce spindle]

...

[low barn]

but i have to send the video just for disclosure

[fierce spindle]

Anyone in this thread knows?

[vale mulch]

but if the 4090 only has one for the most part. i will probably just use the hdmi 2.1 for my primary monitor

[low barn]

lemme send the different one, the navy one is dissapointing

[fierce spindle]

Or can we agree on debating a non issue lol

[low barn]

\

[vale mulch]

idc about additional monitors cause i can just use the dp 1.4

[low barn]

finally

[turbid elm]

if your monitor has dp, the hdmi on the monitor will have worse bandwidth, i can almost guarentee

[fierce spindle]

What primary monitor?

[vale mulch]

that doesnt mean i dont care about an extra hdmi 2.1 tho!!??

[fierce spindle]

The one with the dp 1.5 on it?

[vale mulch]

lmao cmonnn

[low barn]

arc a380

[vale mulch]

LOL

[low barn]

im the biggest arc hater

and im saying this

the enemy of my enemy is my friend

[turbid elm]

please dont buy a gpu purly because it has an extra hdmi 2.1 port that LITERALLY DOESNT MATTER

[low barn]

is the a310 not out yet

[vale mulch]

hey but actually tho. its only $120

this is actually a good option

[low barn]

im not too fond of arc gpus

[vale mulch]

me neither

[turbid elm]

why

[low barn]

got entire videos dedicated to hating it

[fierce spindle]

Unless ur gonna spend about 8k on 2 monitors they might launch in maybe 3 years I dont see the point lol

[vale mulch]

but 3 dp 2.0. thats fucking prem

[turbid elm]

can you even rout 1 gpu through the ports on another gpu? i know you can do that with igpus

[velvet falcon]

any human who buys an 8k monitor has like too much money on their hands ngl and should give it to me :)

[vale mulch]

i mean yeah getting just a xtx and a 4090 would be the solution

[low barn]

prob not

[low barn]

wait wait wait no no no

[velvet falcon]

that sounds like a horrible idea

[vale mulch]

but if you want to save money then an arc a380 is great

but the xtx is only $900 more

[velvet falcon]

would those cards even fit

inside a case together lmao

[low barn]

is there not a lp a380

[low barn]

depends on the 4090

[velvet falcon]

then theirs the fucking heat

[turbid elm]

NO NO NO NO NO NO

[vale mulch]

the idea is that you would probably unplug one of them right?

[velvet falcon]

then theres pwering

[low barn]

guilty's tuf covers both pcie slots

[vale mulch]

like thats a thing

[low barn]

they wouldnt physically fit together

[vale mulch]

OR i can spend $300 on a rog

or $0 on a tuf

[velvet falcon]

if you had 2 gpus you could use them at the same time no need to unplug

[vale mulch]

or $120 on a a380

[turbid elm]

or you can not give a shit about the extra hdmi

[vale mulch]

or $1000 on a xtx

[velvet falcon]

please dont actually considering the xtx 😭

[vale mulch]

suddenly the value of the asus tuf makes hundreds of dollar amounts seem like a huge bargain

it really does have something to offer

[low barn]

another gpu wouldnt fit in his pc

[fierce spindle]

So guys. Tell me if im right: is she making her choice of gpu completely on a connector on saud gpu for a monitor that doesnt exist yet and where said gpu wont be able to produce enough frames for to even achieve the framerate saud connector provides bandwith for? Lol

[vale mulch]

yes

at this top of a tier

[fierce spindle]

Okay 😂

[low barn]

thats the tuf 4090

[turbid elm]

but i ask

[velvet falcon]

this entire conversation is pretty dumb frankly

[turbid elm]

WHY

[vale mulch]

there is little to distinguish between these cards

because at this high of a tier

the 4090s already have little difference

so the top 7 4090s on the market have even less differences

[low barn]

wait

would a 2nd gpu even fit with a tuf 4090

[vale mulch]

the idea is you wouldnt have both plugged in

[turbid elm]

probably not actually

[low barn]

ok but then no point in having both

[vale mulch]

but yeah some atx boards accomodate up to 4 gpu slots

because they have 7 pcie slots

[low barn]

yea but uh the issue is that the 4090 covers them all

[low barn]

.

[vale mulch]

yeah i think it does still depend on the gpu

[low barn]

thats the tuf model

[vale mulch]

cause the motherboard might say 4 gpu but if the gpu is especially fat it might cover 3 pcie slots instead of 2

[remote aspen]

That looks familiar.

[turbid elm]

the tuf 4090 is at least 4 slots

[low barn]

no it doesnt

get outta here

[fierce spindle]

Someone ping me when the build is done okay? Thank you. Good luck, warriors 😎

[low barn]

pff

[vale mulch]

really???

[turbid elm]

yes

[velvet falcon]

the real reason sli is dead 💀

[vale mulch]

you guys really are warriors. thank you so much

[remote aspen]

This thread has a lot of talking, not enough building.

[low barn]

yeah uh we have been talking about fucking hdmi cables for the past 2 hours

[vale mulch]

im making a lot of decisions

[low barn]

fixing a non-existant issue

[remote aspen]

Add to cart, wait, assemble.

[turbid elm]

the pcie slot cover bracket is 2, and the cooler is double that and a bit more

[remote aspen]

I'm sure I could clear that up in 2 seconds.

[velvet falcon]

because they have to know the ins of out of how every single part works of everything before a decision can be made

[low barn]

tbh i respect it but god

[remote aspen]

That's going to make for a pretty awful experience all around.

[turbid elm]

why?

[low barn]

im scared when conversations about ram are gonna arise

[remote aspen]

Weeks of indecision due to inexperience and instead of gaining experience first hand, trying to gain it by having dozens of people (that probably aren't that experienced to begin with) explain things poorly.

[vale mulch]

colorful neptune oc //
gigabyte aorus waterforce //
msi suprim x liquid //
asus strix /
galax hof oc lab plus /
gigabyte aorus master /
msi suprim x
asus TUF

here is what we were able to eliminate

i need to look into more stuff now

[low barn]

wait whats ur problem with tuf

[low barn]

cross off the hof already

[vale mulch]

the rog is better. i have decided to prioritize the vrm design instead of the ports

[remote aspen]

Oh lord we're down to lists of the same GPU.. if you truly believe that there is so much of a difference that it requires making lists and crossing them off, you're so far gone I'm not sure anyone can help.

[vale mulch]

if we argue for one gpu. it only makes it harder to cross it off.

[turbid elm]

why not this?? its actually msrp, and will be perfectly adequate for your purposes
https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-Graphics-IceStorm-Advanced-ZT-D40900J-10P/dp/B0BGJRHX1X

[low barn]

whats even more weird is how the hof is still an option

[rose sentinel]

this still going huh

[remote aspen]

Bud its the exact same design with a few meaningless stages removed. These cards are so overbuilt it makes LESS than zero difference unless you're going to tear the card down for LN2 overclocking records.

[vale mulch]

i mean it took me awhile to get to top 5 4090 aib cards

bud. lol now i feel like a little boy.

[remote aspen]

Saying this tells me you're so confused about what actually matters.

[low barn]

budette, i think

[vale mulch]

LMAOO

[vale mulch]

what actually matters then?

i dont feel confused

[remote aspen]

I'm going to have to leave, this is going to drive me nuts.

[turbid elm]

price

[rose sentinel]

dream is offering free pizza

[vale mulch]

i was a little confused with port conversion

but i think im good now

[vale mulch]

i mean why spend less money for less

[low barn]

cause its the same thing

[vale mulch]

its not

[low barn]

its still 4090 performance

[vale mulch]

they are all 4090 tho

yeah thats true

more goes into it than just performance tho

[turbid elm]

exactly why you shouldnt spend extra on the PORTS or the power delivery

[remote aspen]

What?

[vale mulch]

an extra hdmi port is actually worth it if it's only $1700

thats incredibly worth the money

not overpriced at all

[low barn]

if you want the hdmi port, just buy the tuf, and be done with it

[vale mulch]

yes exactly

[low barn]

guilty r u preparing a wall of text or what

[vale mulch]

but i think im going to have to settle for the 1 hdmi port unfortunately

[remote aspen]

STRIX offers literally 0 real world benefit to a gamer over the TUF, if we want to compare two cards. Yet you've crossed it off. All logic lost.

insane

[low barn]

am i the only one seeing the hof

[remote aspen]

That's hilarious

[vale mulch]

the strix has a much better vrm setup

[turbid elm]

or not unfortunately because it doesnt matter

[vale mulch]

but the strix is by no means the best

[low barn]

you will termally throttle before using the vrms

[remote aspen]

You know what, if you want to believe that, go right ahead.

[low barn]

guilty i have an idea

[vale mulch]

no the vrms prevent you from throttling and the power limit of the 4090 is amazing

[low barn]

the amount of vrms doesnt matter if the cooler cant cool the load

[turbid elm]

the vrms wont do shit for thermal throttling

[vale mulch]

its not what i believe. its fact. the suprim x has a better vrm set up than the strix

[low barn]

go out to a restaurant, drink some milkshake, have fun

[turbid elm]

its my turn to have a stroke now

[low barn]

both of you go out with your families

[vale mulch]

next i think i will compare warranties

[low barn]

thats the only thing that possibly matters

the customer service quality

[vale mulch]

the hof is overpriced but its my favorite aesthetic design

[remote aspen]

🤣 How qualified are you to make that determination? Better how? What is one going to do over the other?

Its well known fact that no 4090 has any power throttling issues at all so I'm curious how you've come to the conclusion that any of that matters?

[low barn]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-tony-chopper-chopper-crying-agony-gif-25439477

[vale mulch]

you literally just look at the pcb and count

the tuf only has 18+4 vrms

[low barn]

how are the extra 4 phases going to help you

[remote aspen]

alright i'm out. This guy is beyond help.

[low barn]

take the advice i gave above

[turbid elm]

fuck the hof. for 1 its viciously overpriced. for 2 it has 2 12v power connectors

[vale mulch]

the +4 is for the gpu ram.

[remote aspen]

Literally no idea what they're talking about. ZERO.

[low barn]

ok, and?

it will matter 0

[vale mulch]

the rog has 6 more phases and the hof has 10 more

[low barn]

in the leaderboard for the 4090 test, its only hof and rog
and yet ure saying the msi has better than the rog
it may be better but it doesnt matter

[turbid elm]

you will never overload the vrms on a gpu when overclocking

[low barn]

exactly

[turbid elm]

never ever

[vale mulch]

its not. the musim x and x liquid are better than the rog for a cheaper price.

$300 cheaper too

[turbid elm]

what do you think of the zotac trinity in terms of esthetics?

[low barn]

look at the hall of fame

[vale mulch]

p sure zotac is ass

and i think i remember seeing them. they look like ass too

[turbid elm]

what is your source

[low barn]

the first 6 places with a 4090 are galax, then comes asus, then its random kinda

[vale mulch]

i will just go review the zotac trinity real quick

[low barn]

theres more zotacs than msi's in the hall of fame

https://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/timespy+3dmark+score+extreme+preset/version+1.0/1+gpu

[turbid elm]

its pretty much the cheapest 4090

[low barn]

look at it yourself

galax galax galax asustek asustek galax galax zotac galax asustek

the fucking colorful is #2

that might be the threadripper carrying

[vale mulch]

it has typical 1 hdmi. it is fairly priced at $1600 a budget option. a 14+4 vrm setup being worse than the fe in every way.

[low barn]

nvm no its not

[low barn]

https://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/timespy+3dmark+score+extreme+preset/version+1.0/1+gpu

check it out

see how msi isnt on there

and theres more zotac than msi

see how that can mean that vrms dont matter

[vale mulch]

i thought hof is only galax / kfa2

[low barn]

yeah thats what i meant

[vale mulch]

kfa2 is the eu company

[turbid elm]

the zotac is 19th, with no sign of msi

[vale mulch]

galaxy is the us company

[low barn]

im saying hof cause its most likely the model people use

[vale mulch]

galax is the global company

[low barn]

im at #40 and i see no msi

weird how people use asus more than msi huh? even though msi is better?

[turbid elm]

im at 60 and still no

[low barn]

what the fuck is micro-star

[turbid elm]

thats totally msi

[low barn]

oooh thats msi

[turbid elm]

lol

😂

[low barn]

yeah its highest placement is #26

[turbid elm]

zotac is still highest

[low barn]

and zotac is #19

@vale mulch huuh? the zotac with shitty vrms is better than the msi? how is that possible!

[turbid elm]

imho, the zotac cards look super cool

[low barn]

yeah they look very nice

[turbid elm]

theyre not just a box

lol

[low barn]

am i the only one who didnt do any research on the gpu almost and just looked at benchmarks

"huh, faster than 3060ti for same price, lemme just buy that"

[lavish lagoon]

KFA2 doesn't do HOF, just Galax

[low barn]

isnt kfa2 literally galax

[lavish lagoon]

Also as has been proven many times before
All 4090 VRMs are quite hilariously overbuilt

[vale mulch]

this doesnt tell me anything other than the galax is even more worth the purchase

[lavish lagoon]

Yes but actually no

[turbid elm]

please no

[low barn]

uhh, it proves how vrms dont matter at all

[turbid elm]

the zotac is so much cheaper, and you can actually get it

[vale mulch]

if the galax is top trending on all of these overclocking leaderboards then yeah thats obviously a PRO or a +

[lavish lagoon]

VRM matters if you're running subzero for records, and even then it's still down to binning GPUs and die sanding and all that jazz for records

[low barn]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TqsV3C/kfa2-hof-geforce-rtx-4090-24-gb-video-card-49nxm5md6phk ?

[lavish lagoon]

All 4090 VRMs are built well enough for your average gamer to never know the difference

[vale mulch]

the zotac was on one of them and that tells me nothing. it doesnt mean its a better quality board than the msi suprim lmao

[lavish lagoon]

I stand corrected

[vale mulch]

this is true

[turbid elm]

its still the cheapest 4090, and more cooling and vrm then you would ever need

[vale mulch]

its nothing for old buyers to get hurt about. but if i have the option to go 18+4 vrm vs 26+4 vrm setup. then obviously take the more vrms.

[lavish lagoon]

And one shouldn't base their buying decisions on how good a card's VRM is, unless it's been pointed out by knowledgeable people that the VRM is a weak point and can fail, or if you're going to LN2 the damn thing

[low barn]

its either european or asian, im getting conflicting answers on reddit threads

[lavish lagoon]

Also fwiw 26 phases would be 13 doubled so 🤷

[vale mulch]

thats true

but still

[lavish lagoon]

18+4 is naturally possible with that goofy expensive controller from that company I don't remember the name of

[low barn]

the european or asian version of galax

[vale mulch]

yeah but most likely like 3 or 4 doubled

[lavish lagoon]

Renesas, the RAA227063

[low barn]

the option is to buy from potentially sketchy ebay sellers at double the price..

[lavish lagoon]

You cannot only double select phases

[vale mulch]

and i dont think an 18+4 with less doubled is better than a 26+4 with half of the phases doubled

oh okay

[lavish lagoon]

18+4 is undoubled

[vale mulch]

thats the tuf tho

[lavish lagoon]

It's true 18 phases because Renesas made an 18 phase (they also have a 22 phase) controller

[vale mulch]

the zotac is 14+4

[night jasper]

Fr we still talking about this

Wild

[lavish lagoon]

But, once again, like it actually matters (it really, really doesn't)

[vale mulch]

i dont know much about doublers. are they worse?

[lavish lagoon]

Do you probe your cards with a multimeter?

[turbid elm]

it doesnt matter, please dont worry about it

[lavish lagoon]

Slightly worse transient response that is about it

The GPU won't feel the difference if that's why you're asking

[low barn]

just be happy that youre getting the most powerful consumer gpu!

[vale mulch]

i think higher vrms in this case are better then if the doublers are only a little less good.

[turbid elm]

woopy, i think i will have a stroke

[lavish lagoon]

Why do you think higher VRM phase counts are better?

[low barn]

do u play any video games

[turbid elm]

yes

why do you ask

[low barn]

u got l4d2?

[vale mulch]

higher quality pcb. bettermade

[lavish lagoon]

More VRM phase count is not indicative of that

[vale mulch]

more durable.

not from the boards ive seen.

[turbid elm]

i do not

[lavish lagoon]

How durable a card is is more a function of how heavy the heatsink being hung off of it is lol

[turbid elm]

theyre all still way overbuilt tho so vrm doesnt matter for gamers

[vale mulch]

so you would prioritize cooler over the vrm

[low barn]

basically i was slightly suggesting that we play smth together cause alone is more boring

[lavish lagoon]

Yes, every single time

[vale mulch]

alright i will look into cooler designs then

before warranty

what are the cooler options and which are the best

[turbid elm]

i need to take a break for a while, se y'all later

[vale mulch]

please rank them for me

[low barn]

bye bye

[vale mulch]

ttyl

[lavish lagoon]

VRM phase counts past 8 are already suffering massively from diminishing returns
The reason you go past 8 is for higher current capability, which is the only reason that 4090s have so many phases
Because they all need to push a lot of current

[low barn]

dream i have a suggestion

[lavish lagoon]

Search pcpartpicker for 4090s, sort by cheapest, get that one
Every single RTX 4090 is so extremely overbuilt that it's hard/impossible to find one that'll exceed 80°C despite the huge power draw of the card

[vale mulch]

NO

this is a horrible option

[low barn]

no it aint

[lavish lagoon]

And why is that?

[vale mulch]

yes it is

as i have previously discussed

route #1 will not be taken

[low barn]

just buy the tuf

[vale mulch]

no i just crossed off the tuf

i dont like the vrm set up

[lavish lagoon]

...

[low barn]

brick wall

[vale mulch]

i am willing to consider cooler designs over vrms tho

i just dont know which ones are better

[low barn]

and tuf probably has a good one

and the hdmi port youre dreaming about

[lavish lagoon]

Look at reviews for the 4090s, any of them, and base your considerations off of that

[vale mulch]

reviews arent a bad option but should usually be last

[low barn]

independent reviewers, not amazon

[vale mulch]

also review search takes awhile

so it should be saved for the top 3 or 5 cards like we have now

not the 30 card we had before

[low barn]

dream

the tuf fits your every criteria

[vale mulch]

it doesnt really

[low barn]

how

hdmi port

good vrms

[vale mulch]

i care more about the vrms than the ports

[low barn]

ok, and the vrms are good

[vale mulch]

and the suprim has better

[low barn]

and caring about them is worthless

[vale mulch]

not from what ive researched

[low barn]

im sorry to say this but the other 2 people that were in here are way more qualified

[vale mulch]

the vrms seem to be one of the biggest outstanding metric when comparing something as similar as 4090 aib cards

[low barn]

both saying: just buy whatevers cheaper

[vale mulch]

yeah but thats awful

[low barn]

tuf is the middle ground

[vale mulch]

thats what pc builders say because they think nothing matters and if it is a 4090 its good enough.

thats not me

tuf is a great budget option

its cheaper than the fe

[low barn]

tuf is a great budget option

there you go

[vale mulch]

it's only $1700 its cheaper than the fe.

[low barn]

which is good

[vale mulch]

amazing

[low barn]

you can buy many kebabs with the money left over

[vale mulch]

amazing enough to be put into top 7

[low barn]

top 2

[vale mulch]

LMAO

[low barn]

suprim x or tuf

[vale mulch]

definitely not

[turbid elm]

vrms are all overbuilt bruh didnt you see that?

honestly get the tuf

everything you want, vrm, io, and cooling

without spending an arm, a leg, and a kidney

[low barn]

and looks sick

[vale mulch]

price matters the least

[turbid elm]

imo, the zotac is better, but you really want "better vrms" so

[vale mulch]

the zotac is awful

[low barn]

i mean didnt the zotac airo have pretty good vrms

lol

[turbid elm]

why

[vale mulch]

if you wanted a crazy built cooler. just go inno3d lmao

also awful

[turbid elm]

why is it awful

[vale mulch]

it has like 14 power phases

[low barn]

which are enough

[turbid elm]

well, im talking about the trinity because its cheaper

[vale mulch]

"which is still a lot"

[turbid elm]

and again, it doesnt fucking matter

[low barn]

its like $20 difference

[vale mulch]

im not spending $100 less for 12 less power phases. thats dumb

[turbid elm]

then get the tuf

done

[vale mulch]

or i could get the suprim x for the same price??

its actually cheaper

[low barn]

then get that one

end of discussion

next component

[turbid elm]

i want to be done with gpus

please

[vale mulch]

if the whole point of the decision making process is to see how fast we can choose. that's not how to do research

im looking at coolers right now to discern another difference

[turbid elm]

isnt the suprim x liquid cooled?

[low barn]

uuhhhhhhh

[turbid elm]

or are there both

[low barn]

i think both lemme check

yeah both

[turbid elm]

yeah its suprim x

[turbid elm]

and suprim liquid x

[low barn]

liquid is cheaper than air huh

[turbid elm]

just get the tuf

the liquid is stupid

ugly af too imo

[velvet falcon]

cause liquid aio gpu dumb af ngl

[vale mulch]

alright so now i just need to know the difference between gpu coolers

ive heard of fans, and radiators

[turbid elm]

theyre all overbuilt, just like the vrms

just get the tuf

[vale mulch]

ive heard of aio and water cooled and liquid cooled

[low barn]

watercooled and liquid cooled are the same thing

[vale mulch]

so whats the difference between all of these

[turbid elm]

what we almost decided on hours ago

[vale mulch]

is water cooled and liquid cooled the same thing as AIO

[vale mulch]

i literally crossed off the TUF wdym

[low barn]

aio is all in one
water cooled can mean custom loop which means separate pumps, reservoirs, radiators

[turbid elm]

no it was between the tuf and the rog when you wanted that extra hdmi

[vale mulch]

ik all in one is what it stands for. but what is all in one? someone told me that AIO IS liquid cooled

[turbid elm]

it is

[low barn]

yes it is liquid cooled

aghh

[turbid elm]

all in one liquid cooling

[vale mulch]

no. it was never between those 2

i was saying that the tuf and the rog have 2 hdmi ports

and that those are the only 2 cards that do

[turbid elm]

actual lies bruh

[vale mulch]

yeah for 2 hdmi ports

that didnt mean i wanted to get 2 hdmi ports or thats what was going to happen.

[turbid elm]

it sure seemed like it

from that message

i do not want to discuss 4090s anymore, just pick one already

[vale mulch]

i tried explaining that it was for aggregating the price

just come back later then

[fierce spindle]

Probably hasn't even touched a single GPU ever. Telling the guy that possibly built over 200 systems and maybe disassembled multiple cards that he's so wrong.
^ this is ur biggest issue. Falling over the littlest things that u think are important, bc maybe some youtuber mentioned it, while multiple actual builders tell u they are 100% non-issues.
Unless u wanna break ur card open to try to nreak records: the price and the bloatware that u need to use to change the color of thd LEDs on ur GPU are more important factors than any VRM stuff.

[vale mulch]

ill be done soon

i just need to look into the coolers

[vale mulch]

no i think it is you guys who are basing everything you say off youtubers

and im trying to avoid it

[fierce spindle]

Rightttt 😂

[turbid elm]

youtubers that are fucking reviewers?

just like all the stuff youre using while "avoiding" youtubers

[crimson elk]

It really doesn’t matter
All of them are so overspec they all cool well

[fierce spindle]

So how many pc's have u build?

[vale mulch]

youtube isnt even a bad source

[low barn]

tell dream, not creeperboy 😭

[vale mulch]

but liek

[crimson elk]

What’s so confusing than

[turbid elm]

yes, exactly. which is why i keep saying pick one and be done

[vale mulch]

im not going to buy the cheapest 4090. that's horrible advice

[low barn]

when r u gonna start looking at buildzoids teardown videos 😭

[crimson elk]

You do realize YouTubers get products faster than consumers right?

[turbid elm]

no its not

[crimson elk]

Why?
What’s bad about the cheapest one?

[vale mulch]

its good advice for like a child who just wants to play games on the pc

[turbid elm]

its literally not

[crimson elk]

????

WHAT

BRO LOL

[crimson elk]

what child is getting a 4090

[vale mulch]

like a pc you build for your kid

[limpid venture]

Are you cooling with liquid nitrogen 24/7? Otherwise this is completely irrelevant

[low barn]

i can name a few

[crimson elk]

Bro

[limpid venture]

Me

[crimson elk]

Nobody buys a 4090 for they’re kid

[low barn]

uh

[crimson elk]

Don’t take it out of context your not helping

[limpid venture]

Completely wrong but ok

[vale mulch]

is liquid nitrogen count as liquid cooled?

[low barn]

whos gonna tell him

[crimson elk]

No.

that’s 2 very different things

[low barn]

no it counts as exotic cooling

[limpid venture]

Yes - but sub-zero

Well its a liquid

[vale mulch]

what is exotic cooling

[turbid elm]

every 4090 is overbuilt with cooling and vrms, so it doesnt matter which one, except for esthetics if youre really into that

[turbid elm]

dont even start

dont

[low barn]

this is how a ln2 setup looks like

[crimson elk]

I’m so sorry I just read all the shit you’ve been dealing it
Mb
I’m so sorry solider LOL

[vale mulch]

okay but what is exotic cooling

[turbid elm]

liquid nitrogen

[limpid venture]

The ONLY time the 4090 power phases matter is when you are overclocking to be the best in the world

[low barn]

cooling with stuff that burns your hand by freezing

[crimson elk]

Cooling with nitrogen

[turbid elm]

spending loads to get 3% performance

[limpid venture]

That would be a super dumbed down explanation for you

[low barn]

or helium

[crimson elk]

which you will never need in an average build

[turbid elm]

its alr lol. this has been going on far too long

[crimson elk]

liquid is fine

[crimson elk]

Looks like it

[vale mulch]

yeah but why is it called exotic cooling instead of liquid cooling?

[turbid elm]

you will never need in any "build"

its only purpose is for leaderboards

[limpid venture]

Its called both - they’re silly

[crimson elk]

Because nobody uses it

Except for like the 1% of people who do it

[limpid venture]

There’s ambient liquid cooling, then sub-zero liquid cooling

[vale mulch]

who is silly

[crimson elk]

Bruh what’s even the goal here

You want a pc build?

[turbid elm]

fucking hell. i cant even....

[low barn]

generally a liquid cooling setup doesnt look like this

[vale mulch]

im choosing my gpu aib right now

[crimson elk]

Cool
What resolution do you plan to use?

[low barn]

this is just a random pic of someone pouring liquid nitrogen

[fierce spindle]

Drumrollllll 👀

[limpid venture]

Still liquid cooling

[crimson elk]

hey hey let the man answer

[low barn]

sure

[vale mulch]

so it is liquid cooling then. but there is just a higher degree of liquid cooling. and its not actually called exotic cooling. you are just calling it that because its for world records?

[crimson elk]

oh my god

Answer the question first

[limpid venture]

It’s called both

[crimson elk]

Nobody cares about the liquid cooling

bruh what resolution do you plan to use

[vale mulch]

oh so it IS actually called exotic cooling

[limpid venture]

Both

[vale mulch]

yeah ik liquid cooling too but it IS called exotic cooling

[low barn]

exotic cooling is like a sub genre

[limpid venture]

Yes

[vale mulch]

i just cant tell because i cant tell which ones are the jokes or not

[crimson elk]

None of us are joking

Like

At all

[low nexus]

hi pie

[crimson elk]

Can you just answer the question I asked please?

hi iono

[low nexus]

so what part are we on

[vale mulch]

hey pie. please dont come in here to be unhelpful. im not answering your questions. i just need help with answering mine.

[crimson elk]

I’m not
I’m trying to help you

[vale mulch]

im not trying to build you a pc @crimson elk or build your pc for me

[crimson elk]

What???

I’m trying to help you build it……..

[low nexus]

pie, just give up its like talking to a brick wall

[vale mulch]

i dont need to talk about resolution and waste my time because of some thing you want to get into

[low nexus]

i tried and failed

[crimson elk]

what resolution do you plan to use???
This is for your benefit

[fierce spindle]

Just pick a card and lets move on

[crimson elk]

WHAT

[vale mulch]

i just need to learn about coolers

[crimson elk]

DUDE WHAT

🤦

[low nexus]

we are still on gpus??

omg

[vale mulch]

we went back to gpus to finally choose an aib

[crimson elk]

Resolution has EVERYTHING to do with GPUs

[limpid venture]

Dream basically for a 4090 - buy whatever is cheapest new from reputable retailer - the differences you’re looking at/care about, really do not matter at all unless you had a cooling setup worth $10,000+

They’re all not going to be audible to you

[fierce spindle]

They are all way too big on the 4090s, thats all you need to know tbh. You wont have issues with any

[vale mulch]

yeah but at this level. the resolution doesnt matter. its all going to be the same obviously

[crimson elk]

It really does….

[low nexus]

it matters

[limpid venture]

Not really

[crimson elk]

but ok.

[low nexus]

are u gonna be playing in 4k

[crimson elk]

I don’t even know what GPU they want
Or resolution they plan to use

[limpid venture]

With a 4090 anything 4k or lower is super high fps

[crimson elk]

that’s my issue

[vale mulch]

its cause you are popping in after things have already been decided lmao

[fierce spindle]

4090 is already decided, so resolution doesng rly matter at this point

[turbid elm]

a 4090, 4k

[crimson elk]

how am I supposed to know what’s been decided if I haven’t been here
That doesn’t make much sense

hence why I’m asking….

[low nexus]

its top spec everything basically

[crimson elk]

What cpu?
Or are we not there yet

[turbid elm]

you did say you read what the last few hours have involved

which was all about 4090s

[low nexus]

cpu was in the first like 5k messages

[fierce spindle]

Last 5k messages have been about which 4090...

[crimson elk]

I was just reading for laughs
No idea about the context

[vale mulch]

colorful neptune oc //
gigabyte aorus waterforce //
msi suprim x liquid //
asus strix /
galax hof oc lab plus /
gigabyte aorus master /
msi suprim x
asus TUF

this is where we are

[turbid elm]

why is tuf crossed off

[crimson elk]

What’s your budget?
Or do you not care

[vale mulch]

i already told you

[low nexus]

budget inf

[low barn]

doesnt like vrm setups, didnt you get that already!

[crimson elk]

just get any

All of them are good

They all work the same

[vale mulch]

no budget. its in the post

[turbid elm]

just read the first post

[crimson elk]

just get whichever looks good in your opinion
They all work the same

[turbid elm]

the vrm setup that is overbuilt just like every other one. shes just not listening....

[low barn]

state of the art top card with excellent cooling but bad

[vale mulch]

yeah ik. im trying to choose between them

[crimson elk]

imo msi is the best

[vale mulch]

i cant get all 5

[crimson elk]

But that’s all up to you

Wait so do you have anything else picked out?

[low nexus]

at that point its just whatever looks cooler

[crimson elk]

Or is it just GPU

[turbid elm]

find the best looking one to you or that fits your theme, and buy that

[vale mulch]

yes. just read the post please

[crimson elk]

Alr Alr

[vale mulch]

i dont have time to keep repeating it

[crimson elk]

[vale mulch]

and if i ignore it. then you just yell at me

[crimson elk]

Love how rude people who need help are

[low nexus]

this post is literally like 10k+ messages

[fierce spindle]

I think we have proven we have plenty of time 😂

[vale mulch]

please dont keep repeating the message count. its unproductive.

[crimson elk]

Whatever I’ll follow along

[loud iris]

Dont rush them. Theyll have to restart this whole hunt for pc

[crimson elk]

@vale mulch ok so than
What’s the need now

[low nexus]

they havent even bought anything so it could be a troll

[vale mulch]

im on coolers

[loud iris]

It is a troll read the earlier messages 🤣

[turbid elm]

aw hell naw

[crimson elk]

For the GPUs?

Or a CPU cooler

[low barn]

holy shit why r u still here

[turbid elm]

yes

[low barn]

shoo

[vale mulch]

gpu cooler

[fierce spindle]

Just pick a card and move on @vale mulch
How many experienced builders opinions do you need before u'll believe it really doesnt matter?

[vale mulch]

im on coolers right now

[crimson elk]

4090 coolers are so overspec it doesn’t matter about cooling
Whichever one you pick is so over the top on cooking it doesn’t matter

[turbid elm]

omg it doesnt matter

[crimson elk]

just pick any

[low nexus]

the moon looking wild today

[crimson elk]

All of them are over the top at cooling

None are the “best”

[turbid elm]

find the best looking one to you or that fits your theme, and buy that

[fierce spindle]

They are all overbuild on the 4090s.. they all massive and for performance more than fine

[vale mulch]

so is aio air and liquid cooled? or just liquid?

[crimson elk]

doenst mater

[crimson elk]

No
It’s liquid

[loud iris]

It's kinda fun to watch

[crimson elk]

AIO= all in one liquid

[loud iris]

Why not come here every now and then?

Watch the stupididty inthis thread :D

[turbid elm]

it uses water to move heat away from the core, and air to cool the water. all cooling solutions involve air at some point

[low barn]

its like ure here 24/7

[loud iris]

I am everywhere.

[crimson elk]

Hey I’m trying to help so
I’ll see how far I get

[vale mulch]

because this isnt a group chat for goofing around.

[limpid venture]

None of this matters

[crimson elk]

We all know that but them

[loud iris]

it is now

[fierce spindle]

AIO uses a radiator, pump and tubing. Its filled with liquid. The radiator u cool with fans, so thats indirect air cooled

[limpid venture]

All of them perform within 1% or eachother

[loud iris]

hf!

[turbid elm]

go away or youll get this locked

[night jasper]

this chat is chaotic

[loud iris]

I like being here.

[loud iris]

That's what makes it fun

[crimson elk]

Than just help dude

[vale mulch]

please stop saying this doesnt matter. because it does to me. just saying it doesnt matter isnt going to make me choose an aib

[crimson elk]

Ok ok let’s move on

[loud iris]

I've helped b4, saw how far that went. Now i just mainly read, the questions.

[limpid venture]

The only thing that matters is cooler - completely ignore the power phases/vrms

[turbid elm]

we are saying it doesnt matter because it SHOULDNT matter to you

[vale mulch]

you were literally never any help

[loud iris]

But ti does matter!

[crimson elk]

For cooling
It doesn’t matter which you choose
All of them cool the same
It’s simply on looks

[limpid venture]

Like those power phases do NOT matter

[vale mulch]

just made fun of me

[loud iris]

Didnt you block me?

[turbid elm]

hell fucking no it doesnt

[loud iris]

You should block me again its for the best

[crimson elk]

bruh this is a fuck fest

[loud iris]

It does! Ask dream

[night jasper]

why did i join this chat

[turbid elm]

she thinks it matters, but it doesnt