I am building my first PC ever

[vale mulch]

but more expensive

[proud rapids]

a 360mm aio can not cool a 13900k or variations when they are under a full load

[turbid elm]

13900k needs a chiller

[low barn]

nah ure exaggerating atp

dont confuse the lad

[proud rapids]

i know i have 13900kf

[low barn]

did u really buy a $500 cpu then say: nah im not buying an igpu

[turbid elm]

I tell everyone intels “f” cpus are useless

[proud rapids]

not 500 for me i live in austrlia

[low barn]

700

[turbid elm]

Its higher isn’t it?

[velvet falcon]

Nah if you're on a budget there's not really a reason to get non-fs

Can used that saved money elsewhere

[low barn]

buddy

nvm

[velvet falcon]

If the difference was like 5 bucks I'd agree but it's actually pretty significant

[low barn]

depends how low the budget is

[turbid elm]

$20 is not that significant

[low barn]

especially when paying for a 13900k

the issue with 600w is
you get more pain than you get gain

[turbid elm]

And having another gpu can be a godsend for troubleshooting or in case your normal gpu dies. Also qsv is amazing

[loud iris]

Bump!

[low barn]

the smartest choice is to get a normal 4090, than reduce its power limit to 60%

[turbid elm]

Lol

[low barn]

stop caring about how we spend our time

lel

[velvet falcon]

Depending on your budget yeah it is

[loud iris]

lel stop caring about how i spend my time

let a man bump :(

[turbid elm]

Maybe if you’re getting a 12/13100, but a 12/13600 is def not worth it (the “f” variant anyway)

[low barn]

i will care when you bother the people having a conversation

with your pointless hating

if the lad wont buy the pc so what? at least they learned new information

[turbid elm]

And 4 cores is almost not enough nowadays

[velvet falcon]

Like if you're budget is tight 20-30 dollars can be the difference between 16 or 32gb of ram, or like doubling your storage, or getting that better gpu

[turbid elm]

Eh

[low barn]

@vale mulch

[turbid elm]

$20 will almost certainly not double your storage, unless you only got 500gb

In which case, why

[crystal atlas]

Lmao especially if you’re buying apple

Damn at 60

[turbid elm]

Dang

[crystal atlas]

That’s actually crazy

[turbid elm]

Oh no I lost 30 frames that I couldn’t even see :(

[vale mulch]

i might go this one

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGV6LQYR?th=1

its not the "best" but good value

[low barn]

whats the price

[crystal atlas]

1700

Ish

[vale mulch]

1713

[crystal atlas]

1800 not on sale

[low barn]

each to their own

[velvet falcon]

This is clearly the budget bracket I'm on about

[vale mulch]

i dont love how it looks

[low barn]

why the tuf then

[vale mulch]

i also wasnt planning on going a tuf, i was planning on rog

but tuf is probably a smarter buy

[low barn]

ew

[turbid elm]

What? No gaming pc should have 500gb of storage

[vale mulch]

what are acoustics on gpus

[low barn]

loudness probably

https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-Graphics-IceStorm-Advanced-ZT-D40900B-10P/dp/B09D1VF7F8/ref=sr_1_1 why not this for example

[turbid elm]

Coil whine and fan speed

[velvet falcon]

500gb is fine

[vale mulch]

OH

[turbid elm]

Yes, that

[velvet falcon]

Actually 30 dollars gets youvfrom 1tb to 2 apperently

[turbid elm]

barely

[velvet falcon]

Just uninstall games you're not playing lmao

[low barn]

[turbid elm]

1. That’s a pain
2. It increases drive writes

[proud rapids]

i have a 500gb for my windows install and application and a 2tb for my games

[turbid elm]

Those are pretty full

[fierce spindle]

My gf's GPU has a nasty coil whine once it ramps up. I'm not 100% sure yet if its coil whine or just whiny fans, but yea.. annoying. A high frequency zoomy "electric" sound

[low barn]

undervolt it

[velvet falcon]

I only play indie games and all my games installed only are like 300gb so I'm good for now

[low barn]

the pain of a torrenter

[turbid elm]

Oh lol

[velvet falcon]

Kinda crazy how all like 50+ games i have installed is 1/3 of warzone

[turbid elm]

8tb nvme 👍

[fierce spindle]

Wheres your NAS 🤓

[velvet falcon]

Game devs really forgetting a thing called compression cause thst game has no right to be that big

[low barn]

im not that big of a torrenter

+if i could afford a nas i wouldnt torrent

[turbid elm]

nas still good tho

[fierce spindle]

What would u do then 👀

[vale mulch]

heres all of the aibs i could find.
Asus ROG STRIX GAMING
Gigabyte GAMING
Asus ROG STRIX GAMING OC
NVIDIA Founders Edition
MSI RTX 4090 VENTUS 3X 24G OC
Palit GameRock OC
Gigabyte AORUS XTREME WATERFORCE
Asus ROG STRIX GAMING
Palit GameRock
MSI SUPRIM X
Asus TUF GAMING
MSI SUPRIM LIQUID
Asus TUF Gaming OG OC
Gigabyte AORUS MASTER
Gigabyte AERO OC
Gigabyte AERO OC
MSI SUPRIM LIQUID X
Asus TUF GAMING OC
MSI GAMING X TRIO
Zotac GAMING AMP Extreme AIRO
GALAX SG (1-Click OC)
Gigabyte GAMING OC
PNY XLR8 Gaming VERTO EPIC-X RGB
PNY VERTO
PNY XLR8 Gaming VERTO EPIC-X RGB OC
Zotac GAMING Trinity
Zotac GAMING Trinity OC
KFA2 ST (1-Click OC)
Asus ROG STRIX GAMING OC
MSI GAMING TRIO
Inno3D X3 OC
Inno3D iChill Black
Inno3D iChill X3
Gainward Phantom
MSI SUPRIM
MSI RTX 4090 GAMING X TRIO CLASSIC 24G
Gainward Phantom GS
Zotac GAMING AMP Extreme AIRO
Colorful iGame Neptune OC-V
KFA2 HOF
KFA2 ST V2 (1-Click OC)
Inno3D AX Gaming X3W
GALAX HOF
Inno3D AX Gaming X3W
Colorful iGame Vulcan OC-V
GALAX ST V2 (1-Click OC)
Colorful iGame Advanced OC-V
GALAX ST (1-Click OC)

best coolers
colorful neptune oc
gigabyte aorus waterforce
inno3d ichill black
inno3d ichill frostbite
msi suprim x liquid

asus strix
galax hof oc lab plus
gigabyte aorus master

best performance + cooler
asus strix
colorful neptune oc
galax hof oc lab plus
gigabyte aorus master
gigabyte aorus waterforce
msi suprim x
msi suprim x liquid

asus TUF
gigabyte gaming
gigabyte gaming oc

[velvet falcon]

You can just buy a 30 dollar dell chuck 2 harddrives into it and turn it into a nas

[low barn]

holy hell

[low barn]

buy the stuff

[low barn]

where do u get the data for coolers

[vale mulch]

one sec

[fierce spindle]

You wouldnt be able to buy as much tho

[low barn]

stop overthinking it

[fierce spindle]

Tbh it doesnt matter all that mutch which one you'ld pick, but bc its your first build i'ld recommend air cooled. Besides that I'ld look more at stuff like price, terms on warranty, how is the support, do u need to use their bloated software to change 1 fricking LED light, etc
Bc they all perform about equally the same anyway.

[vale mulch]

https://youtu.be/Qa4A12gQTHw

this guy has been my best source for all this

[fierce spindle]

You can search for a specific card and you will find multiple videos on "dont buy this" or "avoid this" and 95% is clickbait lol

Not just gpu's, but any pc related thing has those videos lol

And then in another clip they will get praised

[low barn]

signal rgb ❤️

oh wait asus might be a bit sucky if you need to install armory crate

[fierce spindle]

Yes

Not as bad as MSI tho

[vale mulch]

so basically when looking at best aib. you will always want to look at vrm. vrm is better. and a lower vrm is a result of cost cutting

[fierce spindle]

Asus is just 1 or 2 pieces of bloatware, MSI wants you to install like 5 😂

[vale mulch]

better vrm = better oc and better uv

also what is downclocking?

[low barn]

idk bout the uv part

[low barn]

making the clocks lower

[vale mulch]

is downclocking the same thing as uv?

[low barn]

no

downclocking is reducing clocks
undervolting is reducing voltage

UV-ing a 4090 is pointless

[vale mulch]

so no point in downclocking

[low barn]

power limiting is the best choice

[vale mulch]

everyone says uv the 4090

[fierce spindle]

Or just dont do anything to it

[low barn]

nah power limit it

[vale mulch]

when people say vcores do they mean the cuda cores and tensor cores?

[low barn]

you lose a bit of performance but it makes it quieter n cooler

[vale mulch]

also what does amd call their cuda cores

[heavy wolf]

If you’re looking for low power usage then 4090 is not for you istg

[low barn]

amd's cuda alternative is rocm

[low barn]

whats your problem with power limiting lol

[vale mulch]

so vrms take up space on the pcb. and the more space it uses up the better because more capacitors are used. if less capacitors are used, the voltage output is noisier and less efficient. so its overall a lesser quality card. because a lower vrm = lower performance / voltage.

[vale mulch]

does overvolting exist?

[low barn]

i guess?

idk if its called that

[next mountain]

actually it is tbh, can power limit to 350w and only lose 3-5% performance, still fastest gaming gpu by a landslide

[low barn]

maybe it doesnt actually

[next mountain]

really just for extreme overclocking that degrades the part fsster

[low barn]

i think you need to raise the power limit

[vale mulch]

its hard to justify buying an expensive card that has shitty vrms. when you will be spending a lot anyway

[low barn]

but yeah, overclocking a 4090 is pointless

[next mountain]

gpus don't have vrms?

[vale mulch]

i meant the graphics card

[next mountain]

no memory oc is pretty useful

[next mountain]

gpu is graphics card?

[low barn]

according to the sources you found, the zotac airo is better than the tuf

[vale mulch]

gpu is the chipset inside the card

the card is what goes into the pcie bus

[next mountain]

but all retailers have the same exact card?

if you mean gpu cooler then that makes sense

[vale mulch]

not the same exact card

[next mountain]

yes

[vale mulch]

nope

all 4090s tho

they can change the pcb

and oftentimes do when changing the clock speed and boost speed

[next mountain]

im almost positive aibs do not change the pcb

[vale mulch]

can also change the watts

[vale mulch]

https://youtu.be/Qa4A12gQTHw

[fierce spindle]

10 years ago you could get massive gains out of overclocking the gpu. Last couple of gens are pretty maxed out of the box. At least for normal users.

Even specialist overclockers cant get that much gain out of the last gens anymore

[low barn]

anyway lets not forget

[fierce spindle]

But undervolting makes more sense last gens, yes

[next mountain]

you're overthinking this severely

[vale mulch]

the 40 series are really just 30 series chips with better power efficiency

[vale mulch]

im not respectfully.

[fierce spindle]

She been like this the whole thread, she just learning

[next mountain]

but you are, all the 4090s have sufficient cooling even for some overclocking

[vale mulch]

most people stop at gpu chipset. but when you learn the quality of the pcb. you can fine tune your purchase.

[next mountain]

only makes sense for overclocking

[vale mulch]

for some people they really dont care about anything except how it looks

[fierce spindle]

I dont even know why Linus is still building labs.. after this thread he wont need it anymore 😂

[vale mulch]

for me how it looks is in last place

[next mountain]

and in that case just get the msi liquid cooled one

[vale mulch]

yes all of them are good enough and are wonderful cards

and doing aib research isnt easy because 98% of the pc building market actually doesnt care

[low barn]

:)))

[next mountain]

based on evidence in the video the galax is the best one for overclocking

[low barn]

yeah cause theyre not supposed to

[low barn]

galax hof? yeah thats its entire purpose

[vale mulch]

i was looking at that galax. the hof?

[fierce spindle]

Overclocking a gpu is so pointless these days tho

[low barn]

binned gpus with the best pcb

[vale mulch]

i like the way it looks a lot i cant lie

the brand is what bothers me tho

[low barn]

ure wasting money if youre not ln2 cooling it

[vale mulch]

whats ln2 cooling

[low barn]

liquid nitrogen

[next mountain]

also i can respect the desire for spending days or weeks to make your pc really the best thing in the world, but if you're not actually pushing the pcs limits then it don't make sense

[vale mulch]

where is the 2

[low barn]

chemical compound

[next mountain]

gamers nexus did a full tear down and dissecting of it, it's fine and reliable

[low barn]

idk chemistry

[next mountain]

And yea it does look sexy

[low barn]

basically its really cold

[vale mulch]

PLEASE POST this

[low barn]

only used for WR overclocking attempts

[vale mulch]

what a need right now

[low barn]

dont tell me ure considering the hof

its like $2000 or more

IF you can buy

[fierce spindle]

She's considering everything

[vale mulch]

oh yeah!

the hof stood out to me and was the only one that stood out to me

[next mountain]

nvm it's the neptune

[low barn]

its like buying a f1 car but limiting it to 80mph

[vale mulch]

but other options like the musim x and rog strix are up my alley

[next mountain]

still a 360mm white aio on it

so crazy for overclocking

[vale mulch]

still post plsss

[low barn]

you do NOT need a HOF.

[next mountain]

https://youtu.be/uTeZ6eY43Y0

[next mountain]

it's really an enthusiast choice tbh

[vale mulch]

xoxox

[low barn]

gotta be one hell of an enthusiast

to ever consider the hof

[vale mulch]

how does enthusiast mean in the context

[next mountain]

if i had the money and really want to push my performance (i play heavy vr stuff so it makes sense) i'd blow money on the 13900ks some hynix die and 4090 neptune

[low barn]

extreme overclockers

[vale mulch]

ohh

[next mountain]

dedicating weeks to tuning your pc to crazy levels

[vale mulch]

i mean im interested

[low barn]

you can buy 32gb of a-die for like $80

[vale mulch]

its less about that and more about buyers confidence

[next mountain]

as for cpu still get the 7950 x3d lol it's too complex learning how to oc ram

[vale mulch]

im not a stranger to market research

[next mountain]

i still don't know how to get started lol

read the github guide and everything

[fierce spindle]

I agree

[low barn]

nah if ure buying a hof youre putting a cold plate on it instantly

[low barn]

buildzoid

[vale mulch]

xmp i thought

[fierce spindle]

Yea.. auto-OC

[next mountain]

that's not really overclocking

[low barn]

it is

[fierce spindle]

But thats not near the limits lol

[vale mulch]

does oc ram rabbit hole go deeper?

[turbid elm]

Not manual oc

[low barn]

he has a tutorial for like every IC

[low barn]

it goes really deep

dont get into it please

[fierce spindle]

Yes, dont

Thats worth another thread with 40k messages

[next mountain]

off topic but is it super easy to spray paint or plastidip the msi liquid 4090?

cuz isn't it fully closed off and u can jsut tape the power connector

[low barn]

probably? maybe?

[fierce spindle]

Let us know 😎

[low barn]

but then you would have no warranty

which you might need if pump fails

the only thing you should care about as the general consumer is noise tbh

[fierce spindle]

And warranty stuff

[low barn]

yeah its 5am gn

[vale mulch]

oh wow 5am

its 10pm for me

nini

[vale mulch]

colorful neptune oc //
gigabyte aorus waterforce //
msi suprim x liquid //
asus strix /
galax hof oc lab plus /
gigabyte aorus master /
msi suprim x
asus TUF
gigabyte gaming
gigabyte gaming oc

i think i have narrowed it down to these 10 aibs

[fierce spindle]

Care to explain your code language of dashes and x'es? 😂

[turbid elm]

this took me a while, but ive listed out the versions, bandwidth, and maximum resolution of hdmi and DP. i couldnt seem to find an up to date image of this, so i made my own lol

[vale mulch]

the x is apart of their name

the / is just me saying these ones a little better cause they have extra good coolers

[turbid elm]

i may have missed dp 1.4 bandwidth

[vale mulch]

the ones with 2 // have a better cooler than the ones with /

[turbid elm]

wait no, dp 1.4 added display stream compression

[vale mulch]

wow thank you so much for this

what is dsc btw

[turbid elm]

dp started at a much higher bandwidth

[turbid elm]

display stream compression

basically a way to get way higher res without more bandwidth

like the 16k@60 with 2.0

accidently deleted it, so here it is again

[vale mulch]

so kind of like dlss

[turbid elm]

well, dlss is upscaling, not compression

[vale mulch]

ohh right

[turbid elm]

dsc is a way to send more data with the same bandwidth

thats the way dp gets higher res, with compression

[vale mulch]

that makes sense

does it compress its own data transfer

[turbid elm]

yes, i think thats how it works

[turbid elm]

this does not take into account hdr or 10/12 bit color capabilities though

[vale mulch]

the musim x doesnt have as good of a cooler or as good of a power limit but it has better vrms than asus tuf etc.

the strix and the hof and msi all have manual oc

something about having a interface for their vrm controller

inno3d has goog coolers but awful vrm

colorful neptune oc //
gigabyte aorus waterforce //
msi suprim x liquid //
asus strix /
galax hof oc lab plus /
gigabyte aorus master /
msi suprim x
asus TUF
gigabyte gaming
gigabyte gaming oc

[fierce spindle]

If ur opinion is still "dont mind spending money, but i dont wanna overpay like crazy", u can scratch the hof too lol

[vale mulch]

where do you even buy one

i cant find it anywhere

[viral totem]

Pro tip - ask for all the components you want or for a bog standard rich man setup, do some reading and send us points to help you rectify

[vale mulch]

im looking at aibs right now

[viral totem]

Any confirmed choices yet? IMHO this place has become a fatiguing read

[fierce spindle]

You read all of this? Dear lord 😂

[viral totem]

No

That’s the point

AIBs as in not FE GPUs?

sorry ._.

[fierce spindle]

Yes, she keeps calling them like that in every sentence 😀

[viral totem]

Welp posh or not posh only way to know is price range rather than title

[viral totem]

Right. And that’s just your PC

Looking for a good monitor too?

Read up on those :=)

[vale mulch]

yep

[viral totem]

Some terms to get you dizzy started - colour gamut, DCI-P3/sRGB/NTSC, FHD/QHD/4K, refresh rate, backlight strobing

[vale mulch]

what is phase power design

[viral totem]

No idea.

[vale mulch]

as much as i would love to delve into monitors.

[viral totem]

ik it exists but that’s for my fellows to answer

[vale mulch]

i will get real lost real fast

[viral totem]

Ok, PC first then

[vale mulch]

its probably best to go in order

colorful neptune oc //
gigabyte aorus waterforce //
msi suprim x liquid //
asus strix /
galax hof oc lab plus /
gigabyte aorus master /
msi suprim x
asus TUF

im choosing between these cards

[viral totem]

ASUS ROG scored top in TechPowerUp’s benchmarks for the 4090

[vale mulch]

show me this source

[viral totem]

Afaik

[vale mulch]

for the full list please

[viral totem]

Alr coming in a sec

[vale mulch]

thank you so much

[viral totem]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4090-strix-oc/

Ok maybe not too in everything, haven’t read it in a while

But it’s one of the few 4090s, from what I accurately recall that can reach the FE 4090’s 600W power limit

[viral totem]

should you manually overclock

Basically all their other 4090s couldn’t

[viral totem]

Thanks

Those things look like little squares or metal cylinders around the cpu socket on a motherboard

If you feel the need don’t mind me but uhh why so high end as a first PC?

plenty of maintenance is key to greatness, if your plan was to build then ditch the technicals :p

[turbid elm]

I would not try to find the best aib. Just find a cheap(ish) good looking (If you care about that) and call it a day

[viral totem]

Reminds me

Remember UNIT VARIATION EXISTS

Fate might crap out on you and get you a constantly turbo mode 7950x3D to ward off winter chills or performance midway between a chart topping 4090 and normal 4080

[turbid elm]

It’s not gonna be that big of a difference lol

That’d be illegal

[viral totem]

Just saying it could be possible

ik

Amazon though 😉

[turbid elm]

What about it

[viral totem]

You know, misplaced deliveries… rough handling…

Not a rarity

[turbid elm]

Oh yeah

Ive never experienced it (famous last words)

[turbid elm]

What about Newegg 🧐

[viral totem]

And USPS blaming your purchase in the first place

[viral totem]

Can’t comment, but their e-store isn’t very polished

[turbid elm]

Their filters are miles ahead of Amazon

Amazon’s is basically useless

And the “sort” function is completely broken on my main browser

[turbid elm]

Weird

[viral totem]

As in I’ve heard them not take responsibility

Even if they delivered it

[turbid elm]

Ohh

Also illegal

[austere shale]

Still picking a gpu 😭

[light trout]

Bro if picking a gpu and cpu took so long then I don’t even wanna imagine a monitor

[silver path]

huh?

i thought we already did pci a 4090

[austere shale]

They’re picking which aib to get

[silver path]

holy fuck

wy cand she be like everyone else and just buy the list we give her?

[austere shale]

At this rate it may be reasonable to wait for the 5090

[silver path]

yeah

[austere shale]

K I’ll just say this now

Asus Strix 4090 best performance of all of them.

With a full stop

[silver path]

inno 3d has a better cooler is cheaper

same with pny

[austere shale]

There we go

[silver path]

i agree tho the strix has higher clock speeds

[austere shale]

Inno3d, pny best cooler
Asus strix best performance (despite it being an extra 2 frames)

[silver path]

extra 2 fps for an amazing extra 300 bucks

the inno 3d card is also one of the smollest out there

[austere shale]

Smallest of the biggest

[silver path]

and only has a light up hithe inno 3d log

[silver path]

yus

[austere shale]

But of course the best card of all is the GT710

[silver path]

can you ping dream my at button is brok

[austere shale]

Uh sure

@vale mulch

[austere shale]

.

[silver path]

aight lets see if shees eepinn

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Jj8bt6/pny-verto-geforce-rtx-4090-24-gb-video-card-vcg409024tfxpb1
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZKWzK8/asus-rog-strix-gaming-oc-geforce-rtx-4090-24-gb-video-card-rog-strix-rtx4090-o24g-gaming

ow 100mhz

what a difference

[austere shale]

🐉

[silver path]

the inno doesnt seem to be available in the us sadly

its the cheapest4090 here in eurpe tho

[austere shale]

Where are you based

[silver path]

ireland

but my friend ordered his pc parts from german cos it was cheaper

[austere shale]

Oh I’m uk

But travelling in SE Asia

[austere shale]

Interesting

How long to ship

[silver path]

about 4 days

but youll need to pay shitty import tax

most liely about 23%

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Myz6h3 sexy or nah?

[light trout]

All black?

Good build but for this budget aesthetics should also be a priority

[viral totem]

If she’s a sucker for performance better to swap to a fractal torrent since there’s no regard for GPU size

although if there are doubts about the stock fans…

https://tenor.com/view/mark-markiplier-wasted-ded-af-gif-7792651

[austere shale]

Oh L

[austere shale]

Pretty much perfect build. Just maybe 1200w psu and consider replacing the 770s for 850x as it’s not much more expensive

But bruh US prices for parts feel scandalous

[austere shale]

In fact it’s same

[next mountain]

bro what?

you lost me at 1200w psu for 650w components

[vale mulch]

it has a shitty pny card lol

a nice dollar tree aib card tho

i took my sleep just now too

[vale mulch]

whats a fractal torrent

[vale mulch]

lucky.

[vale mulch]

ohh its already wayy too late. ive already spent a lot of time into best aib

[vale mulch]

yep little boxes. im on board now.

i just wanna know why the vrms are something like 28 + 4

[austere shale]

Tf

[vale mulch]

why not 32

im p sure the gpu is 600w all on its own lol. a 600w psu would be dumb

even going 1000w would be unwise

[austere shale]

Maybe 650w would be perfect if you like your system to turn off randomly

You can bet on it with your friend

[vale mulch]

LOL yeah

[austere shale]

Whoever gets closest time to when it turns off wins

[vale mulch]

also i do agree on the asus rog. but actually i think other cards came out that contend with it.

however it does beat out the musim x

at that rate it is better to just choose one with good vrms and the cooler you want

the galax looks nice

but i cant find pricing on it

[austere shale]

Check other counties

[vale mulch]

so the cylinders are capacitors

mosfets are like little gates

chokes are the little black boxes

like mini psus

found it

so the galax has 28 phases.

[vale mulch]

ugh now theres one with 3 numbers

wth does 20+1+2 mean

okay so i think the first number is cpu, 2nd is imc, 3rd is gpu part

so the vrm on the gpu should be

1st number for the actual gpu chip
2nd number for the gpu imc
3rd number for the vmem i think

its better than 23 phases because its just more efficient. 1 whole phase can go to the imc which i dont know much about and 2 whole phases can go to the vmem or the gpu ram or something. im not sure where cause idk where the gpu part of a gpu is lol

1st number is the cpu part, so the gpu's "cpu" in this case. since this is the phase design of the gpu and not the mb

and i think if it has only 2 numbers. it skips the imc. and its gpu chip + vmem only

or maybe its gpu chip + imc idk

okay i found it when i specifcied to gpu.

i was right.

the 2nd number is vmem

or vram. whatever. same thing right

[viral totem]

A case model?

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/fractal-design-torrent-rgb-tg/

Since you said no particular aesthetic, and are hell bent on performance ^^

Comes with superior cooling fans already, considering it’s price point

And a fan hub (I’ll explain now) which allows you to hook them up to a single spot rather than several dotted around your case interior

[vale mulch]

oh cases go more in depth

that's going to suck

[vale mulch]

seems promising

[low barn]

cases are the easiest

torrent is really large and has great airflow

basically buy whatever you like the look of the most

[viral totem]

Yea well torrent is a complete package out of the box

Saves the depth

[viral totem]

Don’t buy anything below ATX, or your building experience will suck

As in don’t become enamoured by promises of a cute PC the size of a flower vase

Also Fractal and Lian Li are established top dogs in the PC case industry

Hell you could even buy your CPU cooling kit from either and it’d be highly rated (Lian Li Galahad or Fractal Celsius+)

||And yes cooling is another rabbit hole-||

Do I deserve a sentence for straying so much

[vale mulch]

too late

it might impact my aib choice as well lol

[proper dove]

?

[viral totem]

Yea well don’t expect to fit a 4090 in mini ITX

[low barn]

galad is ehh

[viral totem]

True

[low barn]

oh def doable

[viral totem]

Shhh it’s her first time

[proper dove]

Definitely

[low barn]

okok

[viral totem]

Why does that sound like a warship target

[vale mulch]

it actually is doable. pcpp has compatable itx cases available to me

it wont be easy

but that's fine

[low barn]

oh lord

[viral totem]

You can forgo a side panel

or two

or the top one

[proper dove]

Have you decided on an aib?

[low barn]

https://caseend.com/

[viral totem]

If you hit jackpot it’ll be about 10mm clearance

[proper dove]

The Msi suprim x is one of the best 4090s

[vale mulch]

not yet

im down to last 7

[low barn]

😭

[vale mulch]

im looking into vrms

[low barn]

just go for suprim x or tuf

[vale mulch]

actually i hear those are among the worst in this bracket lol

like im p sure the asus rog strix out classes BOTH the suprim x and tuf

[low barn]

yea cause the rest are watercooled or really expensive

[low barn]

yea, $2000 gpu

[vale mulch]

this is why i do this research

[low barn]

you can buy the strix, but it wont benefit you in any way compared to any other aib

+its ugly

[vale mulch]

price doesnt really matter here. its all overpriced. you can either. try go cheap as possible to make it as close to the msrp. but this is a HORRIBLE decision because it leaves you with less to be desired pcb and vrm setup

i assume this negligence is because of how long gamers got to have $500 gpus

i think people just havent caught up with the times yet.

[low barn]

youre still gonna get 4090 performance

even with a "sub par vrm setup"

[vale mulch]

yeah but its more so about the quality of the components

especially if you are going to try oc

[low barn]

and youre going to try to get a WR?

[vale mulch]

whats a wr

[low barn]

world record

[vale mulch]

oh no

ik thats a thing

but idc about that

[low barn]

thats the only reason you should care about pcb and vrm

[vale mulch]

theres 2 routes you can go

#1 - go and buy cheap as hell because its overpriced and you cant afford the $1600 msrp for even just the fe lol the problem with this is that you are already overspending for performance in spite of the parts

#2 - buy an aib card based off its core components even if the performance is only 1-5%. the problem with this is that the performance gains are negligible and you are overspending on durability / peace of mind

it boils down to. pc builders are not great at market research, and anyone else is not great at pc building. but in market research world. you dont usually want to buy cheaper materials that have a cheaper quality. $1600 isnt cheap, but that's the bare minimum in the 4090 market. so yes it is cheapo and it is very skimpy on its parts. you really do, get what you pay for in this case.

the tuf is a great deal tho

only 1700 for good parts too

if you have this attitude towards the most important part in your pc and the most expensive part in your pc.

then you are most likely overspending and should probably downgrade to the 7900 xtx

this is why buying just whatever aib looks cool is a horrible idea.

so the imc must be for the controller

meaning the first number is gpu, then imc i think, and then the gpu ram.

i did a pretty deep search, but nothing. im pretty sure almost no one knows what the 3rd number means on the phase power design lmao

cant find one good source either

my best one is for mb power design

[austere shale]

Be reminded the majority of the gpu cost comes from the actual board and not the cooler

And that performance between models vary by not much more than 2%

[vale mulch]

exactly

but buying a good aib isnt for performance gains

the idea is to go route #2

you shouldnt go route #1

[austere shale]

Or make your own cooler and strike a deal with Nvidia

[vale mulch]

and if you recommend #1 then you should probably drop to xtx instead of the 4090

[vale mulch]

i dont know how to make a gpu cooler. but if i did. it would probably be ass comparatively speaking.

[austere shale]

Not even ltt could make a decent cpu cooler

[vale mulch]

damn so huge learning curve

[austere shale]

But then their method of manufacture was questionable

[vale mulch]

lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/yzmb1x/dont_buy_gigabyte_4090_extreme_waterforce/

this is useful

[austere shale]

Just don’t buy aio gpus

Their only use is for overclockers and unusual builds where there isn’t enough airflow over the gpu

[vale mulch]

i wanna learn how to oc tho

[austere shale]

Overclockign your gpu can be risky though

[vale mulch]

everyone has told me its completely safe

[austere shale]

Hmmmm

[vale mulch]

i was really scared at first lmao

[low barn]

na

[vale mulch]

LOL

[low barn]

unless you increase the voltage

by a lot

its fine

[vale mulch]

that might be for just cpu oc

[austere shale]

You probs won’t get much gain anyway

Like a few dozen mhz

[vale mulch]

gpu oc might be wayyy more dangerous

[low barn]

yeah you wont

[vale mulch]

i dont really know the differences yet

[low barn]

not really

[austere shale]

I’ve heard of people killing their gpus by overclocking

[vale mulch]

okii

[austere shale]

But they didn’t really know what they were doing

[vale mulch]

i sort of just wanna try it and see what happens

[low barn]

if i could OC, i might, but the sliders r shit lel

i can oc it by a whopping 100mhz

[austere shale]

Anyways I’d still just stick to ocing your cpu

[vale mulch]

thought this was funny

[austere shale]

Rtx4000 launch was strange

[vale mulch]

wildin

[austere shale]

I’m still yet to be convinced the GeForce 256 is not the greatest card ever

[low barn]

old ass

[austere shale]

😧

[low barn]

i aged just by reading that

[vale mulch]

this one seems to be most disliked lol

ive heard only bad from gigabyte tho

[austere shale]

No one likes gigabyte

[vale mulch]

oh really tell me more

[austere shale]

They’re semi decent but people only talk about them when something goes wrong

They’re just nothing special

[vale mulch]

ive heard okay things about aorus master

also apparently theres a mb with the same exact name so when i looked up the vrm. it had 3 numbers which the 2nd is imc. meaning that gpu vrms probably dont have 3 numbers at all unless they do have a controller too.

[vale mulch]

why so many

[low barn]

rog strix with factory oc
white rog strix with factory oc
white rog strix
rog strix
watercooled rog strix with factory oc
watercooled rog strix

[light trout]

I use a gigabyte mobo and it’s good for me

I don’t do heavy oc ing and the bios is decent, i haven’t had any problems with it so far

I have an aorus z790 elite AX

[vale mulch]

might just be gigabyte gpus

[light trout]

Yeah maybe

[vale mulch]

so basically 3 of them are the exact same just white instead of black

and then the lc are watercooled

whats the difference between the oc, lc, and regular aside from overclocking and watercooling

[low barn]

nothing

[vale mulch]

OMG WHAT

[low barn]

yup

[vale mulch]

theres a gundam 3090

[low barn]

also cases and stuff

[vale mulch]

i love gundam

[low barn]

mobthebroards

[velvet falcon]

You should probably get a cpu aio anyway though over gpu. You would only fit one in the case but the CPU usually gets way hotter

[low barn]

https://www.asus.com/microsite/ASUS-X-GUNDAM/

[velvet falcon]

I'm not a gundamn fan but those look sick

Honestly i hate how most brands barely do themed sutff for their parts

They always look awesome

[light trout]

@vale mulch so you’re going for a micro atx build?

[vale mulch]

idk yet

prolly just atx right now

but i might switch

to itx or dtx or matx

[silver path]

what the shit

how

is

a

pny

card

SHiT????

[silver path]

itx is not gonna be able for a 4090 unless its an expensive case

[vale mulch]

i mean now that i know more i can look at the pcb

but everyone says its shit

[silver path]

and?

[vale mulch]

especially this gen

[silver path]

everyone as in who?

[vale mulch]

uh pcpp says its compatible

[silver path]

yeah double check yourself

[vale mulch]

ive never heard anything good about pny

[silver path]

pcpp can be wrong orcan show a notice

[vale mulch]

and ive asked multiple times

also a low performing card in general

[silver path]

they are the best professional card manufacturer

the only one

except leadtec

[vale mulch]

p sure that goes to asus

or msi

does anyone even know who leadtec is

cause i dont

[silver path]

all 4090s are the same and that strix card doesnt excuse paying 300more dollars for 2 fps gain and like a 10 in score diff in beanchmarks

[silver path]

leadtek sorry not leadtec

[vale mulch]

this is not true at all

[silver path]

they ressel or produce pny professional cards

[vale mulch]

$300 is nothing for better quality parts

[silver path]

100mhz? makes nearly no fucking difference for a 4090 it just looks fancy

[vale mulch]

i dont know what you are talking about tbh

but im not choosing the asus because of 2 fps lmao

so does the x mean oc?

[silver path]

the strix 4090 has about 100mhz clock

[vale mulch]

and is liquid just aio

[silver path]

yes

[silver path]

no

dont get pre blocked cards they look ugly imo

[vale mulch]

whats the difference between suprim x and suprim

[silver path]

maybe a bit higher clocks?

it could be oc idk tho

yep

i just googled

the x is ocd

[vale mulch]

whats the model name for that pny card again please

[silver path]

strix versus pny

[silver path]

pny verto 4090

[vale mulch]

pny on the right yes

i recognize the asus

[silver path]

yeah less vrms

forthe pny

[vale mulch]

im gonna be hones. ik pny is bad. but theres no way its this fucking bad

[silver path]

?

[vale mulch]

this is a 14+3 voltage phase vrm

[silver path]

and?

[vale mulch]

that's god awful

insanely bad

[silver path]

in what way?

[vale mulch]

im p sure this isnt a real picture of that pny model

also yes i am more aware of the verto actually

not a high performer

[silver path]

wep

fuci it if you want vrm headroom go for it

get an aorus master 4090

vrm is so overbuilt that it wont hit higher useage than 30% most of the time

also vrm caps are good on that card so less power spikes

[vale mulch]

i must have miscounted

but tbh the picture of this circuitboard is very low quality so i honestly thought it was an older pic

[silver path]

the palit card only has 14

for vcore

[vale mulch]

palit is ass too

[silver path]

it has like 2.3x power spikes on the vrms

that card can trip psus no wonder the reccomended is 1200w while a FE reccomends 850w

[vale mulch]

it's because many 4090 cards are using 450w, but this is dumb af because the 4090 doesnt have red line issues like the 3090 and can actually run at 600w just fine.

its understandable for lower end cards especially that can't be adjusted. but not from the middle end cards.

no reason to boost to 500w

[silver path]

the tuf seems like a good middle ground imo

[vale mulch]

i was starting to worry that i had it all wrong. cause all the cards i looked at had 24+4 power designs

[vale mulch]

i heavily agree with this

good parts for $200 and isnt out of stock

retail for $1713

not bad

[silver path]

16+4 if my counting is coorect for the asus tuf gaming og oc is a short card too

[vale mulch]

oh wow. i read in an article that said the tuf was 24+4 too

[silver path]

326mm very short for a non watercooled 4090

[vale mulch]

like aside from the rog.

[silver path]

well theres 3 diff versions

[vale mulch]

ohhh

[silver path]

oc non oc and og oc

og oc being the msallest

but their vrms and vrm power caps are high quality

[vale mulch]

OMG i finally understand what that one guy was saying in that video

he was basically saying that the suprim isnt really that great of a card, but it makes up for it in vrms

and it trully does

26+4 is insane

[silver path]

i mean

if a card has 2 vrms for core and one for mem and each can handle at least 150a

it will run

poorly and very hot but it will

[vale mulch]

yeah

[silver path]

all the amount of vrms determines is the card power spike and heat output

even cheapskate vrmd 4090s can perform like their op brothers

just less efficiently

[vale mulch]

its a good indicator of the quality of the board tho. for a lot of reasons

like would you rather pay less for worse?

maybe if your poor

[silver path]

i am QwQ

[vale mulch]

which in any case, dont go for the 4090 if you cant afford it. you'd be better off with the xtx

[low barn]

that sounded so arrogant

oh my

[vale mulch]

the xtx is a wonderful card

sorry. im just very passionate after ive learned something.

[low barn]

if 5nail5 is impressed with the xtx, its for sure a good card

[silver path]

i cant afford a fucking 1650

15 year old problems

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZjC8dH also new list with a torrent

oh wait

[low barn]

seriously? a drp4?

[silver path]

i forgot mobo

[low barn]

and fuckin tl-c12c?

[silver path]

cheap skate mid state kicked in sorry

[low barn]

spending $4000 on a list and then going with $12 budget fans is crazy

its d30s or nothing

[silver path]

my cheapskate instinct kiced in lul

[low barn]

also, torrent comes with enough fans doesnt it

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qk9wrH/teamgroup-t-create-classic-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl46-memory-ctccd532g5600hc46dc01 ❤️

[vale mulch]

i basically try to avoid sounding vague after i know something because that's an indication of a bad teacher.

a lot of things aren't vague and do not depend. its pretty cut and dry and when it isnt, the trade off needs to be explained obviously.

[low barn]

i dont think it really needs one but true

[silver path]

cl46 tf is that the lowest for 5600?

[low barn]

its jedec

[silver path]

meh aio might be used as exhaust

[low barn]

its sk hynix a-die

according to buildzoid, it can go up to 8000

[silver path]

whoa

wait waht the fuck

why is a z73 s expensive in the us

its like 260 usd here

[low barn]

blehh

[silver path]

460 is too much holy shit

[low barn]

nzxt

[silver path]

thermalright

nothing beat thermalright

[low barn]

wait

[silver path]

awh frozenmagic is not availabe in the us?

[low barn]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sPHWZJ ❤️

[silver path]

tharmal take moment

[silver path]

oop

my atlon is dyinggg

athlon neo x 2 is might until you open 16 chrome tabs

[silver path]

amazers

[low barn]

i have a funnier cooler

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hcv4DZ

[silver path]

pingas cooler

huge fans

small shaft

this thing will make the 7950x3d

[low barn]

i feel that

[silver path]

run at 23 celsuis max

[silver path]

sad

[low barn]

huge fans and small shaft 💔

[silver path]

i dont

[low barn]

fuck yoy

[silver path]

this is not a pingas vent chat

[low barn]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-24341837

[vale mulch]

the galax hof has a 28-phase voltage

[silver path]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-sipping-tea-none-of-my-business-sip-sipping-gif-5051710

[low barn]

its hof..

[silver path]

pipe bomb 101

you can see the uncleaned thermal paste

[silver path]

oh fuck

dual 12+4?

ummm pipe bomb fr

[vale mulch]

im not sure if it uses doublers but i think it has to right

but it is 28+4

4 for the gpu ram

[silver path]

nuh uh

[silver path]

no like 12+4 hpwr

the fucking connector that melts

[low barn]

yeah that thing needs all the power

[silver path]

dual melt power in one package

[low barn]

because its for WR attempts

[vale mulch]

it actually has one of the best coolers on the market

[silver path]

whe you gotta buy that sketchy 2400w ltt psu from aliexpress for 30 bucks

[vale mulch]

LOL

[silver path]

every 4090 is overbuilt in cooler and thats 📠

[low barn]

not like anyone ever sees it

[silver path]

a 4090 would do away with a 3080 cooer most likely

[vale mulch]

how is the og oc different?

[silver path]

if you open your eyes youll see its shorter

[low barn]

what does the og stand for

cant possibly mean original gangster

[fierce spindle]

OG OC = Original Gangster Original Conman

[turbid elm]

From the fact that the clock speeds are the same, there’s no difference

[austere shale]

This is funny

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0frNP0qzxQc&feature=sharec

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PgBFTYdm0MM&feature=sharec

[low barn]

i love this guy

best youtuber

[austere shale]

Legend

[turbid elm]

If the 4090 was stretched

[trim barn]

👀

[night jasper]

sad sad

[vale mulch]

is the 5090 really already out

[low barn]

nah

its a joke video lol

[vale mulch]

ohh lmao

[low barn]

should have been pretty clear with this

[vale mulch]

LMAO

rtx project SX

[pine totem]

Gpu sag? Nah the gpu now come whit an included anti sag being the gpu itself

[velvet falcon]

seperate case just for the gpu

[vale mulch]

bunk bed gpu

[pine totem]

Can render my Bank Account going broke in 16k

[vale mulch]

lmao is the only difference.

[fierce spindle]

You have no case? No problem, you can now build your PC in ur GPU

[pine totem]

Lmao

[vale mulch]

LMAOOO this one too

i wish for the 4090ti reveal when everything went dark

there was a necromorph at the end when he looked up

[low barn]

that guy is the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIFF1OVic4&ab_channel=CaptainsWorkspace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s13iFPSyKdQ&ab_channel=CaptainsWorkspace

[vale mulch]

its especially hilarious on this server

[vale mulch]

oh the reason i wouldnt recommend pny or gainward or stuff like that is cause they are worse than the founders edition

does anyone know the difference between hdmi 2.1 and 2.1a

[low barn]

yea uh

its a bit weird

bing ai is neat

[vale mulch]

this is nice

so you can update any hdmi 2.1 to 2.1a

[low barn]

i.. guess?

idk how you would do that though

[vale mulch]

me neither

took me forever to find the pcb for each card

[low barn]

unecessary i mean huh good job

[vale mulch]

hey so

where tf do i buy this

GALAX / KFA2 HOF OC lab plus GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card

[low barn]

uhh

you need a friend who knows a guy

btw kfa2 is the european galax

[low barn]

so basically

[vale mulch]

where do i buy it tho

it seems like its impossble to buy anywhere

[low barn]

i dont think you can buy it new

[vale mulch]

and its not listed on pcpp

so looking right away

• the hof has the best performance out of the box and the best oc potential.

• the rog is decent all arounder with good vrms similar but second to the hof for a much cheaper price but it comes with 2 hdmi instead of 1. its hard to justify a $300 price hike for 1 additionaly hdmi.

• the suprim x / liquid are your biggest price / performance bang for your buck picks at only $1700 with a better performance than the rog, but you sacrifice 1 whole hdmi port which could be a problem.

• the tuf is a horrible pick with horrible vrm setup. initially, i did think this was an amazing budget option. HOWEVER, it is more expensive than the suprim x now so not really, and it's non-oc version is even more expensive for only a 18+4 vrm setup. it's only saving grace is its extra hdmi port for that $1700 tag is unbeatable but is it worth the drop in vrms?

• the fe is an awful pick as well. it is a great card from nvidia themselves, but is out of stock and is retailing for about $1800 lowest and $2000 from reliable sellers. i can't justify picking this bare minimum pick for $200 more than msrp when the tuf and suprim exist as cheaper but better options.

• if you want mediocre like an fe, but dont want to pay for the fe. then go with the aorus master by gigabyte because it is the same price at $1800 but with a much better vrm set up. i can't justify paying more for less with the fe.

[low barn]

yeah uh, so how do you plan on buying a hof

or did that idea die already

[vale mulch]

well, its hard to find honestly

i dont think ebay is the real price

and i need to learn how to buy these items that dont pop up on pcpp

[low barn]

its highly scalped

[vale mulch]

what does scalped mean

[low barn]

people buy the entire stock so they can sell it for a much higher price

[vale mulch]

i found it on aliexpress for cheaper

but is that the only place

[low barn]

how much

[vale mulch]

2713

$1000 price hike from the tuf, but it comes with a lot of nice features

[low barn]

ok but hear me out

[vale mulch]

it actually is worth it as a luxury splurge item BUT its not really worth an extra $1000

[low barn]

suprim x is 99.9% of the hof, but $1000 less

[vale mulch]

thats true

a vrm setup of 26+4 vs 28+4. the hof is better tho. but just overpriced

the suprim is better than the rog too actually

[low barn]

huh, really?

[vale mulch]

much better in fact

[low barn]

ofc the hof is better since its a $3000 card made for WR overclocking

thats its entire point to exist

[vale mulch]

but the rog has a better cooler

[low barn]

either really rich people or sponsored people

[vale mulch]

and is quieter

and has an extra hdmi

i cant justify the hof without an extra hdmi

[low barn]

never justify the hof

[vale mulch]

at the $2700 price tag it should have an extra hdmi

[low barn]

am i blocked or what

[vale mulch]

you arent

im talking to you

[low barn]

😭

https://tenor.com/view/missed-the-point-over-your-head-looking-up-gif-17132996

[vale mulch]

what did it msrp for

imo, i like the looks of the hof the most

[low barn]

yeah galax literally advertises it for "only performance" and "world record breaker"

[vale mulch]

functionality meets form imo

that just makes me wanna buy it more

it really is the best 4090 on the market

[low barn]

yeah, while costing double

ok, hear me out for a second

[vale mulch]

50% more

so 150%

[low barn]

your gpu will termal throttle before you use all the vrms

[vale mulch]

almost double msrp tho

it wont

[fierce spindle]

U found the piece of plastic of each card? Good job lol 😂

[vale mulch]

the vrms and the power limit of the 4090 are not what you expect i dont think

[vale mulch]

it was hard

[low barn]

im talking heat here

[vale mulch]

i needed to count the vrms

cause people dont list it for whatever reason

annoying as fuck

[fierce spindle]

Oh, the layout

[low barn]

is it possible to talk you out of the hof or nah

[vale mulch]

the hof listed it tho

cause they actually get it

[vale mulch]

of course

but nothing that i dont already know really

[low barn]

same performance, 50% more cost

[vale mulch]

i probably wont just cause of the 1 hdmi

nothing to do with performance or vrms tbh since its already got the best

no other 4090 beats the hof for sure

[low barn]

in price to performance they sure do!

[fierce spindle]

Custom cooled and OC'ed ones

[vale mulch]

no actually the suprim is better price / perf

oh thats what you meant

[vale mulch]

no the hof is oced

[fierce spindle]

Yea, but I mean. Its definitely beatable

[vale mulch]

and unless you mean custom cooled as in like some asshole with a 3d printer. then i disagree lol

idc about custom coolers if i cant have someone build that for me

[low barn]

the 6th best 4090 is an asus one!

[vale mulch]

and its not like nvidia sells the pcb to consumers

[low barn]

it beats some galax ones!

[fierce spindle]

What are u talkibg about lol 😂

[vale mulch]

the gpu

[low barn]

so it really goes to show, dedication > galax hof

[vale mulch]

i cant buy the gpu separate

and get a custom cooler from some random guy

[fierce spindle]

You can just remove any cooler on any card and slap another cooler on it, is what i mean

[vale mulch]

so im guessing you meant one of these aibs with a "custom" cooler

OH

okay that makes more sense

[fierce spindle]

No, theres conpanies producing coolers

[vale mulch]

yeah i guess you could do research on the best gpu cooler

and then take it apart and put that together.

[fierce spindle]

But that would make sense if you'ld custom loop ur whole build, which is not advisable for ur first build

[low barn]

not quite

[vale mulch]

what is custom loop

[fierce spindle]

Watercool ur whole pc, not using AIO

[low barn]

its the full on water cooling experience

with separate pumps, reservoirs

[vale mulch]

do any other cards have 2 hdmi?

4090 cards obviously

[night jasper]

just buy a dp to hdmi?

[low barn]

or use the igpu

[night jasper]

i had to

that to

[vale mulch]

damn what a cutie in the chat

[fierce spindle]

Most have 3 dp and 1 hdmi nowadays.. i think

[night jasper]

ew no

[vale mulch]

tell me more about port solutions please

[low barn]

hear me out

[velvet falcon]

Any converter is always pretty cringe

[low barn]

if you have 5 monitors, and the gpu has 4 display outs

use your igpu

[velvet falcon]

yeah just do that

you could also plug in another low powered gpu

[low barn]

a gt 710 might get a little feisty

[night jasper]

i use a dp to hdmi and vga so i can run 3 monitors it sucks but i am saving to build rn

[vale mulch]

why is the vga in there lol

[night jasper]

beacause i have an igpu?

[velvet falcon]

my second monitor rn is my laptop... its a horrible solution

[vale mulch]

hm i dont follow

[night jasper]

i feel that

[low barn]

thats redpilled

[low barn]

vga monitor

and vga motherboard

[vale mulch]

oh okay

[night jasper]

ya

[vale mulch]

i didnt want to assume

so in my case i wont be doing vga lol

can i just do dp to hdmi

[low barn]

y not just use dp

[velvet falcon]

my current monitor will eventually become my second though when i can afford to upgrade

[night jasper]

i have a dell opiplex that has 2 dp ports and a vga port, i dont want to spend the money to upgrade it so im building a new pc

[vale mulch]

because dp is 1.4

[low barn]

and the issue is?

[velvet falcon]

bro your bandwidth doesnt matter for a secondary display

[turbid elm]

Changing it to hdmi won’t add anything

[night jasper]

twinss