I am building my first PC ever

[distant aspen]

Good news is that storage is no where near as complicated as far as I’m aware. Not saying you should just jump right to buying one, but not as confusing as ram and other parts

[vale mulch]

but tbh that was pre covid

so post covid $500 is actually $1000

so the price of the xtx makes sense

so the 4090 would have been $800 in yesterdays money. but idk how bad that is lol

[distant aspen]

Just going to put a disclaimer out here that I have not personally built a computer yet because I have not found the extra money or time to, but I have messed around with some that were already built and done a ton of research on parts

So are you thinking you might go with the 7900xtx?

[vale mulch]

if you have 5/3 bank, you can make a savings goal and title it with like pc building

[velvet falcon]

Eh the titan rtx was like 2k

[vale mulch]

ive heard bad things about the titans

[velvet falcon]

Titan x then was like 1k

[vale mulch]

wow

[distant aspen]

I’ve thought about doing something like that but I have a lot going on right now so maybe another time

[velvet falcon]

90 series cards were the titans replacement

So they'd be compared to them not old 80 series card prices

[vale mulch]

so linus was kind of right when he called the 4090 a titan priced gpu

[vale mulch]

im really good at saving money

the best way to do it, is to make the money harder to access

so a lot of my money wasnt even in a savings account for example

instead i put it inside a non volatile investment

[distant aspen]

My financials are not important, this is your pc thread

[vale mulch]

so basically an asset that doesnt move a lot

and it acts like a bank account, and i can just pull out whenever, but its also annoying to do so. so i never pull money out.

you only pay taxes on the gains part

so not the amount you put in

[distant aspen]

I’ll look into it

[vale mulch]

its nice cause sometimes i will spend my paycheck but my savings are just a hassle to pull from

like they arent really a hassle. but its enough to keep me from spending impulsively

[distant aspen]

yeah that makes sense

so your budget really is 20k then?

[vale mulch]

it definitely was

[distant aspen]

I mean, thats the most you're willing to spend. Not saying that you should spend 20k

[vale mulch]

but now that ik how cheap parts are relatively speaking.

i shouldnt have to spend that much but it will still be a good amount

cause i dont have a monitor

[turbid elm]

I’m guessing it’ll be $5k-$6k

[vale mulch]

yeah i wouldnt spend more than 20k on a pc

[vale mulch]

but now im thinking the most is yeah basically this

[distant aspen]

What parts are you going to look at next after ram and cpu?

[vale mulch]

like maybe 7k

[distant aspen]

I'd say that would probably be fairly accurate

[vale mulch]

i think ram is going to be a lot cheaper than expected

[crystal atlas]

Ram is pretty cheap

[turbid elm]

Yeah, at most, unless you get like 3 baller monitors

[distant aspen]

How much ram do you think you're going to go for?

[vale mulch]

most of the all out builds that ive had time to see now are about $5k - 10k

ik i could get started with like $600 in used parts or like $1.5 if i go budget build

but im not doing that

[vale mulch]

yeah i think this will also help. cause im just gonna do the 1 monitor

[distant aspen]

What do you plan to do with this computer? If I remember correctly you said something along the lines of general use?

[vale mulch]

i think as much as the mem max maybe

[crystal atlas]

Productivity and gaming

[distant aspen]

wow thats a lot

[vale mulch]

but people tell me not to do 4 sticks. and i still gotta look into that

because i dont think amd offers sticks to reach the mem max

[distant aspen]

Are you referring to the mem max of the mobo?

[vale mulch]

yesss

[distant aspen]

ok

so that would be around 128 right? I'm not really an expert on DDR5 stuff but I think its about the same

[turbid elm]

It’s because the speed is limited to 3600MT/s

So unless you need 128gb of ram, don’t get 4 sticks

[rose pollen]

so pretty much your gonna have to get a 2x64 set which is expensive

[turbid elm]

As far as I know, that doesn’t exist

[distant aspen]

Yeah that’s a lot of money

They could buy 2 single sticks. I think those are a thing right?

[turbid elm]

Unless it’s that weird g.skill one that’s like 2 sticks on 1

[rose pollen]

yeah even 32gb is plenty, if I had your budget I would go with 64 as it’s pretty much unlimited

[turbid elm]

What?

[distant aspen]

Nevermind i was for some reason think about flash drive capacities. I was just looking at those so I got them mixed up, ignore that

[distant aspen]

Dream, do you also need to buy other peripherals like a desk, mouse, keyboard, speakers, etc?

[turbid elm]

Are you going to use 128gb of ram? I would highly recommend 32 or 64

[distant aspen]

I would probably say they should go for 64 if they want the max

[turbid elm]

Yeah, not 2 sticks. For anything that need 128gb of ram, use threadripper

[wanton gazelle]

128gb of ram? 😭😭 who tf needs that much

[distant aspen]

I think a Thread ripper system might be a but much for a first build, but that’s just me

[turbid elm]

High res video editors

Linus’s video editors regularly hit 100+

[vale mulch]

i wont do a threadripper

might just do 64gb

[vale mulch]

yes

not a desk tho

[turbid elm]

Yes

[loud iris]

It's good for people like you, who cant bothered to search a question on google

Ai hit VRam, and, Server stuff you shouldn't be running a server on your main gaming pc, as of how big of a hit it'd take.

[loud iris]

I dont think dream will ever hit 64, yet 128

They will hit the VRam limit very fast though, if they're going with Ai's

[turbid elm]

It’s sometimes good, but not always. A google search will often yield better results if you know how to phrase it

[loud iris]

Not really, tho believe what you want

Most google searches nowadays, are random Ai news article

[turbid elm]

Actual lies

Well, I don’t use google, so it may be different, but on DuckDuckGo, they are quite relevant

[loud iris]

How is it actual lies, if you dont even use it?

Why are you even arguing about this

[tawdry musk]

[vale mulch]

yeah im going to search it when i can

[distant aspen]

That was uncalled for

[turbid elm]

Another thing, chat gpt is useless for 95% of this build because all of the parts are post 2021

[loud iris]

Mate, do you not know how to use ChatGPT with internet

[turbid elm]

Is it with a sketchy plugin? No thanks. Only……bing

[proper dove]

The best gpu chat gpt knows is the 3090

[loud iris]

Nope

[turbid elm]

Cap

[turbid elm]

Then what is it

[proper dove]

A non-sketchy plugin 🗿

[night jasper]

Fr

[trim barn]

I see we have surpassed 10k messages lol

[crystal atlas]

Yup

^

[trim barn]

anyways for creeperboy we held this supra in drift around the roundabout for 30 min consecutive

was moving my joystick controller around

[crystal atlas]

Lmao 45k off drift

[trim barn]

I went up to 150k in the end

[crystal atlas]

Damn

That’s crazy

[trim barn]

drifting is fun

worse when you spin out but I manage better now

[crystal atlas]

But for 30min

[trim barn]

lol I jus did it for a arcade event

[crystal atlas]

Ofc you did

[trim barn]

but I was like fk it I am here Ima drift

[crystal atlas]

Sounds abt right

[trim barn]

trying to make my 2022 GR86 drift but I think I like it for circuit racing

[crystal atlas]

Just get another

Duh

[trim barn]

ima wait till they hit the auction place

won't be cheap I can tell you that

[crystal atlas]

Wait they aren’t yet?

[trim barn]

since it is a season exclusive car

[crystal atlas]

Ah

How much is not cheap?

Like 10m?

[trim barn]

we will see

[crystal atlas]

This is 5 right

[trim barn]

there are non atm on the auction place

car value alone is 320k in game

[crystal atlas]

What’s the economy like in fh5

Ik it’s busted in fh4

[trim barn]

horrible

[crystal atlas]

Ah

I never play fh4 and I have like 17m

[trim barn]

it's a pain to auction cars

[crystal atlas]

I haven’t even done the main story

[trim barn]

I see I'm done with the main story just chilling with cars

[crystal atlas]

Underpaying or qhat

[crystal atlas]

For this

[trim barn]

oh half the time no one even buys it

and you forget

and car gone

[crystal atlas]

Ouch

Just poof

[trim barn]

thanos snap

[crystal atlas]

Well that would get rid of a lot more

[trim barn]

I just gift them to people

duplicates

[crystal atlas]

Yeah

[turbid elm]

Dang

[trim barn]

lol when you just casually join 2 others racing their lambos

[turbid elm]

Nice 😂

[loud iris]

Google.com

[turbid elm]

what?

[loud iris]

Search!

[proper dove]

💀

[turbid elm]

ill be honest when you said "google.com" i thought you changed your mind about chatgpt being better than google. it was very unhelpful

[loud iris]

Nope, just google it! Maybe you’ll find it, I mean it’s been on mainstream news for a while

[turbid elm]

Yes I know

[loud iris]

Then why'd you ask

[turbid elm]

Ask what

[loud iris]

This

[turbid elm]

What?

[vale mulch]

discord is like reddit but live

it is easily more useful than any other source if you can find the right people

[crystal atlas]

P true

[turbid elm]

Yeah true

[crystal atlas]

Finding the right people is hard though

[vale mulch]

depends on the community

like on my server people ask me questions about other things.

and i love going on and on about it if i know about it

when people dont have the same kind of passion or drive, then maybe they just arent really into the subject that much

[crystal atlas]

Exactly

[turbid elm]

There are lots of “right people” for tech here tho lol

[vale mulch]

yes

[austere shale]

So did you choose a ram kit?

[vale mulch]

no but i showered

and ate food

and jump started my car

i just want to find a couple more benchmark charts for those speeds

[austere shale]

Mmm

[vale mulch]

because haing 1 source as just mainly LTT is hard

i have passmark too but the ram names on passmark are weird af

[digital elbow]

nah this post has 10000+ messages

[crystal atlas]

yup

^

[vale mulch]

yess

i was #10000

[crystal atlas]

mhm

[austere shale]

Time to delete

[vale mulch]

...purge

damn

i have my admin setting to ...

[rose pollen]

the benchmarks for the exact same kind of ram speeds should be identical

[vale mulch]

similar

[rose pollen]

I would just go with g.skill or Corsair

don’t overthink it

[vale mulch]

those 2 do look to be the best

but that's brand

im talking about which speed i choose

the cl is obvious

[rose pollen]

go with 600mhz cl30

[vale mulch]

and first word is conditional

[rose pollen]

6000*

[vale mulch]

this is the most popular for sure

[rose pollen]

its also one of the fastest If not the fastest

[vale mulch]

but im interested in the 6400 and the 5600

[vale mulch]

yeah that's true

[rose pollen]

the 6400 might be unstable on amd

I would play it safe and go 6000

or 6200

[vale mulch]

so from LTT's test, it seems stable.

but not completely compatible with some benchmarking tests

depends on the CL for if i go 6200

[rose pollen]

idk if it has cl30

[vale mulch]

like the 6000 cl40 is ass

[rose pollen]

yep

thats why you should get cl30-36 max

[vale mulch]

of course im still considering the 6000 cl30 tho

[rose pollen]

but cl30 is best

[vale mulch]

definitely close

[rose pollen]

That’s your best option imo

[vale mulch]

the 5600 has similar performance tho

and it might be cheaper

and by similar. i mean actually similar by ram standards

not how a high speed ddr4 is "similar"

[rose pollen]

idk if I were you I would get 6000+ mhz cl30-cl36

its always nice to have more bandwidth

the one I recommend the most for your pc is 6000mhz cl30

you can decide between 4x16 or 2x32 set

[silver path]

were at the peak of valley of despair

[silver path]

2x32 4x16 usually does nothing to performance on amd and those kits are moreexoensive in ost cases

[austere shale]

And 4x16 is practically unusable on amd

[loud iris]

Which one is dream

[austere shale]

No comment

[loud iris]

I need a comment on it

[loud iris]

More on the confidence side or the competence

[austere shale]

I plead the fifth

[distant aspen]

Dream said they didn’t want to go for a 4 kit, I think it’s going to be a 2x32

[loud iris]

Nope.

Your silence gives an answer

[austere shale]

😳

[misty imp]

Lmao

[pine totem]

Hi, im Saul good man

Did you know that you have right?

[simple bane]

you kinda introduced it as the most expensive PC you can buy lol

also did you ever end up getting a PC

[distant aspen]

Still researching parts

[turbid elm]

Don’t get 4 sticks, unless you have to. 2x32 is better than 4x16

[turbid elm]

6000 mhz is touch and go for am5 already, much less 6400

[low barn]

with the new bios updates they should work

[turbid elm]

What’s the price difference between them?

[rose pollen]

Oh I didn’t know

[austere shale]

Emphasis on “should”

[fallen basin]

Bro if you got 20k you better be OC it with liquid nitrogen or some crap.

[rose pollen]

they don’t want to spend it all

[turbid elm]

That’s unrealistic for someone building their first pc, and it’s not worth the cost at all

[fallen basin]

It a joke sry

My writing isn’t that good I couldn’t get it across

[rose pollen]

The entire thing will cost around 5-6k because of peripherals

I think

[turbid elm]

Yeah about

[rose pollen]

like a monitor and stuff

[austere shale]

I think we can get it down to $1

[turbid elm]

Lol

[rose pollen]

maybe even 50 cents

or a farthing

[proper dove]

I think I could get it down to a half pence

[pine totem]

3 dabloon

[proper dove]

1 dabloon per dab

https://tenor.com/view/carlos-dab-gif-18673913

Me irl getting Dabloons

[vale mulch]

I mean sure. If I knew what that meant

Alright I updated the post

Hopefully we will get less negative attention

[fallen basin]

It’s a joke sry .

[vale mulch]

It's okay. Probably shouldn't joke because I am new and I could end up taking it seriously

It's very disrespectful imo

[fallen basin]

Bruh I’m new to

Lol

Also it just mean to over clock using the coldest stuff on earth

It’s what the pro over clockers do

[vale mulch]

What do they do exactly

[fallen basin]

It’s interesting to watch on yet

They just cool there cpu with liquid nitrogen

[vale mulch]

I'm at work til 10 and then I'm off for 2 days

I'm gonna get a lot done this weekend

[fallen basin]

Nice

[vale mulch]

Oh

Well then I don't understand how it's a joke

Sounds like real advice

All you said was use liquid nitrogen

Like okay if it's the best I will

[fallen basin]

NO

No please to much money

You waste all of your budget

[vale mulch]

Not really

How much is liquid nitrogen

[pine totem]

I mean technically it is the best lol

[vale mulch]

Okay good

[fallen basin]

Bro it cost like 5000 a week to run

[vale mulch]

Clear cache and reread post

[fallen basin]

24/7

[vale mulch]

I won't be ignoring overpriced options

[fallen basin]

💀

Ok

Well glad I could help I guess

[vale mulch]

Prolly not worth 5000 a week tho

I doubt it's that much

But I'm new

[fallen basin]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/216112-how-much-does-a-liquid-nitrogen-setup-cost/

Strait from the source g

[vale mulch]

LTT website socks for research

Suck*

It's just a forum

[fallen basin]

Well ima tell you this it’s gonna cost most of your budget if your gonna run it consistently

[vale mulch]

You're literally better off with LTT discord and / or reddit

Or some legit sources

🤏

[fallen basin]

?

[low barn]

ure either ignorant or ure trolling

ok ure trolling

[low barn]

yeah its probably more

[velvet falcon]

i wonder why nobody just places the liquid nitrogren directly on the cpu for a benchmark

[fallen basin]

Ignorant

[low barn]

would prob be shit

[distant aspen]

One way to find out

[low barn]

wait i prob have a better idea why

maybe you shouldnt pour liters of ln2 on a motherboard

vaseline can only do so much

[rose pollen]

dont do that kind of cooling, you haven’t even built one pc yet

custom loops are for more professional builders

[low barn]

you shouldnt ln2 cool either way

[rose pollen]

mhm

[loud iris]

Dw they're just trolling, arent, even making a pc 🤣

Actually

The wanshow went really great detail into this @vale mulch talked about people like you with script checking. The ones that are bored and just instead of looking at sources and finding a answer, discussing for 40-45 mins wasting peoples time and distracting people

The timestamp guy prob has tiemstamp for that momment, Id suggest having a watch

[trim barn]

👀

[pine totem]

Tbh i never discuss here cause eh

[loud iris]

It’s fun to read tho

[austere shale]

Meow 🦗 🏀

[proper dove]

Dream been real quiet since this dropped

[muted token]

all hail noki the timestamp guy

[turbid elm]

Probably watching the wan show

[vale mulch]

i actually am

but this is my first time seeing it

[vale mulch]

i have him blocked so

[turbid elm]

Wow lol

[loud iris]

For new people have a read

[turbid elm]

It’s the best cooling performance, other than liquid helium, but 110% not worth price and upkeep, not to mention the setup to protect motherboard and such from condensation. $0.53-$1.78 per liter in the states. I don’t know how fast it goes through tho

[austere shale]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QwIlhuR_N2g&feature=sharec

[low barn]

lets say we ignore the cost, how tf does one intend on always pouring it

+prob unhealthy af for a cpu to be at -100c

[turbid elm]

Ye thats true

[velvet falcon]

well if you were to practically try cool with liquid nitrogen youd cool water or something not actually have a loop with it in it

not water

something with a very low freezing point

[loud iris]

Slaves

[turbid elm]

I-
What?

[low barn]

fair

[loud iris]

Bump. Just so more people can read

[crystal atlas]

Yk you don’t have to do that

[distant aspen]

Why do you hate them so much. You’re trying to keep people away from the thread based on your opinion

[crystal atlas]

Even if they’re never going to build a computer, which I’m pretty sure is not the case, this thread still has quite a lot of interesting information for a read-through.

[loud iris]

I don't hate them :D Why do you like them so much? You're trying to get people to join this thread based on your opinion.

[distant aspen]

How am I doing that

Tell me how I’m showing the thread to others and telling them to look at it

Oh wait that’s right. You can’t because I’m not

[turbid elm]

Bruh what? That’s not keeping anyone away

[vale mulch]

tech chat 1 energy

so im trying to do the smaller tasks without the help from discord

since i know now that even though initially i was clueless on everything. the average pc builder is actually not aware of everything.

so im trying to get that aib gpu at of the way.

i think the asus rog and asus tuf are nice cause they have 2 hdmi ports instead of 1

heres a interesting source i found. there are so few out there cause no one cares about which aib

[turbid elm]

I hope you have monitor(s) that use dp. Also, you can just get a dp to hdmi cable

[vale mulch]

actually interesting you brought that up

i saw dp on the chart

but i have no idea what dp is

[turbid elm]

DisplayPort

[vale mulch]

ohh

kind of weird to mention that

[turbid elm]

A display port that is called DisplayPort. Makes perfect sense I know

[vale mulch]

cause isnt the hdmi a dp

OHH

so there is actually a display port called dp??

so hdmi is not included in the dps lol

[turbid elm]

Yes, it’s very confusing

[vale mulch]

that soooo dumb

[turbid elm]

Normally “dp” refers to “DisplayPort”

But they are both display ports

[vale mulch]

it looks like all 4090s have 3

[turbid elm]

Understandable

[vale mulch]

what are they for tho

cause its not to connect it to the mb

that's the pcie

[low barn]

to connect to monitor

displayport is like hdmi but better

[vale mulch]

whatt

we have better than hdmi already

[proper dove]

Yes we do

[vale mulch]

omgg

[proper dove]

There’s different versions of dp though

[turbid elm]

That means the current generation of DisplayPort has higher bandwidth than hdmi

[low barn]

and has like a latch or smth so it doesnt disconnect

[proper dove]

Dp 1.4 is what I’d recommend for 4K

[vale mulch]

i kind of know what bandwidth is. but what exactly is bandwidth. especially in this context. cause i know bandwidth is like how much internet you can spread out across devices i think

[low barn]

you can have a higher resolution and framerate

[turbid elm]

Dp 1.4 can do 8k 60 with displaystream compression

[vale mulch]

damn so dp has different version numbers

whats the newest for scale?

[low barn]

2.0 i think?

maybe 2.1

yeah 2.1

[proper dove]

I thought 1.4 was the best version

[low barn]

can support like 8k/144

[low barn]

na

[vale mulch]

is it like fast charging how the number just means effiiciency and speed

[turbid elm]

They both do. And thanks to hdmis ass name changing, hdmi 2.1 is now hdmi 2.0

[low barn]

2.1 is on the newest radeon and arc

40 series doesnt have 2.1 i think

[turbid elm]

Nope

[low barn]

no what

[turbid elm]

Missed opertunity

[low barn]

.

thats what bandwidth means in display cables

[vale mulch]

so 2 and 2.1 are for like 8k and up. but ultimately its all decided by your gpu

unless can different aib partners put upgraded dps on their graphics cards

and overall, its not a huge deal cause 1.4 is what is required for 4k. i dont really plan on doing 8k. but a high refresh rate is important to me

[proper dove]

Just checked and 1.4 can support 4K 120hz

[low barn]

2.1 can support 4k 240hz or smth

All of that additional bandwidth opens up DisplayPort 2.1 and 2.0 to new resolutions and refresh rates. They can support 1080p at up to 900Hz, 4K at up to 240Hz, and 8K at up to 60Hz, as well as supporting HDR and 10bit color at various resolutions and refresh rates where it wasn’t possible on DisplayPort 1.4’s more limited bandwidth.

[vale mulch]

damn so is there no 4090 that has a 2.1 dp? i feel like this is kind of a odd choice to not include on a graphics card by now

[proper dove]

Do they even make 900hz 1080p monitor?!?

[low barn]

nope

[vale mulch]

so at the end of the day, dp is really just a fancy premium hdmi

and its mostly just for gamers

[low barn]

uh the opposite

[vale mulch]

oh really

so we just skipped to 2.0

[low barn]

ye

[vale mulch]

i feel like this is a huge fault of the 4090

the 3090 didnt have 2.0 or 2.1 right? lol

[proper dove]

I doubt you’ll be getting more than 120 fps at 4K

Well for AAA titles

[vale mulch]

and i hope the 7900 xtx doesnt have 2.0 or 2.1 either

[vale mulch]

yeah. i saw most with RT are at like 30 - 50

[proper dove]

I believe anything above 120hz is virtually indistinguishable

[low barn]

yep

[vale mulch]

so by this do you mean, dp is better for movies or something

[low barn]

for content creation cause supports more bandwidth

for shit like 10bit

[vale mulch]

ohh okay

[turbid elm]

if youre using a tv, dp is out of the question

[proper dove]

Yea TVs usually cap out at about 60hz

[low barn]

C2 on top

[turbid elm]

theyre usually hdmi

and hdmi 2.1 can do 4k 120 i believe

[vale mulch]

ohh so bandwidth is still like "access to speed."

so like data transfer in general

[turbid elm]

but yes, tv's made for movies will usually cap out at 60hz because most movies are 30fps.

gaming tv's almost certainly have hdmi 2.1

[vale mulch]

which with internet interprets to speed. which makes sense. because of packets and all that

[proper dove]

I thought it was 24fps

[turbid elm]

yeah or that im not sure

[vale mulch]

but with display ports like dp and hdmi it also makes sense because of resolution and grounded offline stuff like that as well

[turbid elm]

but regardless, hdmi 2.0 is fine for that

[vale mulch]

was dp intended to replace hdmi?

or is it literally just for high resolution quality over quantity stuff

literally just movies and like RT slow gamers ig

[turbid elm]

dp was made for monitors, hdmi was made for tv's

[vale mulch]

which is even weirder to me

[turbid elm]

hdmi was made to replace all the cables usually going to a tv

[vale mulch]

cause a monitor is supposed to be better for gaming

[turbid elm]

that is why it can carry ethernet, while dp cannot

[vale mulch]

and a tv is meant for higher quality watching

[turbid elm]

there are gaming tvs too

[vale mulch]

yeah but monitors are meant to be zippier

[turbid elm]

what?

[vale mulch]

i thought that was the main difference between monitors and tvs

cause i was looking into it before

[turbid elm]

wdym zippier

[vale mulch]

like faster

[turbid elm]

higher refreshrate?

[vale mulch]

like you can game on both tvs and monitors but its better on monitors

and then you can watch things in higher fidelity but its better for tvs

[turbid elm]

it depends on the tv

and monitor for that matter

[vale mulch]

its a big deal for me because i dont want to have both a tv and monitor if i dont need it

[turbid elm]

the LG C10 i believe does 4k 120, and is oled

[vale mulch]

so ive never had a monitor

[turbid elm]

you dont need it

well

[vale mulch]

i only have 3 75 in tvs

[turbid elm]

wdym

[vale mulch]

and then to make them faster i turn off the high fidelity stuff and set the preset settings to gaming

[vale mulch]

ive never really owned a pc monitor

i guess i sort of have one now but i never really got to use it because of how that pc my brother made broke

[turbid elm]

id recommend a large decent 60hz tv for movies, and put it in a good place for move watching and a high refresh rate monitor/gaming tv for your pc

[vale mulch]

okay good that was my thought process on it

before i thought about moving out

i was gonna get that new 82 in tv

[turbid elm]

because for movies, 60hz is all you need, and very few tvs go below 60hz

but for gaming, youll want high refresh rate

[vale mulch]

cause they have been replacing the 75in in price now

[turbid elm]

120-144

[turbid elm]

which one?

[vale mulch]

probably not samsung

been going downhill

i like LG more than samsung

maybe a sony

but probably not anymore

i only had the 3 tvs because of my ex

so overall

i shouldnt really care that much about 1.4 dp vs 2.1 dp

because although the 4090 should have a 2.1 dp

dp is only for watching movies and higher fidelity stuff

[turbid elm]

no, both will serve your purposes fine

[vale mulch]

so dp is better for tvs basically

[turbid elm]

1 isnt better than the other. dp 1.4 and hdmi 2.1 are basically identical in terms of bandwidth

[vale mulch]

and hdmi is better for gaming?

[velvet falcon]

i swear most tvs dont have dp

[turbid elm]

none of them do

[vale mulch]

oh

[velvet falcon]

it was made for monitors

[turbid elm]

hdmi is for tvs. tvs only have hdmi

[vale mulch]

which is better for gaming

[turbid elm]

neither

[velvet falcon]

some "gaming tvs" do

[turbid elm]

theyre the same

[velvet falcon]

literally both will game the same

[turbid elm]

really?

which ones

[velvet falcon]

their specs are barely different

[turbid elm]

i thought its just hdmi 2.1

maximum resolution of hdmi 2.1 is 10k 120hz

[velvet falcon]

oh actually nvm their just monitors tv sized

[turbid elm]

yeah i didnt think so

but regardless, both just serve the function of driving pixels on a display

[vale mulch]

i guess im just confused why dp was made

like im used to avi and dvi

[velvet falcon]

to replace vga and dvi basically

[turbid elm]

hdmi was made by a bunch of tv manufacturers, and dp was made by a bunch of monitor manufacturers

[turbid elm]

^

[vale mulch]

oh yeah and vga i am used to

[turbid elm]

ew vga

[vale mulch]

but didnt the hdmi do that too

[turbid elm]

that needs to die

[vale mulch]

my poor fingers

[turbid elm]

it replaced the 11 rca cables that used to go into tvs, as well as the audio cables (i dont know if the rca cables included audio). it also can carry ethernet. the tv manufacturers wanted to replace the mass of wires usually on the back of a tv

[velvet falcon]

it did

[vale mulch]

i think ive seen dp before but just thought it was something else

[turbid elm]

Dp and hdmi are constantly switching back and forth the crown of the highest bandwidth

[vale mulch]

ohh okay

hdmi cause its probably been around longer. and then dp because thats what it wants to be

but still tho from what im seeing

it seems that hdmi is better for gaming. like esports gaming.

and dp is better for high fidelity stuff

[turbid elm]

Where are you getting this information

Neither is better, it’s just a connector

The difference is the capability of the port

[surreal bridge]

if you plan on just gaming the ryzen 7 7800x3d is probably the best option

[velvet falcon]

cant wait for the panel technology question considering the ports conversation was this long

[vale mulch]

i think i updated the post

[vale mulch]

whats panel technology

[velvet falcon]

just meant the different types of displays you can get on a monitor

[vale mulch]

which is always in flux

and right now dp 2.1 is the best

only because it allows for higher refresh rates and higher resolution until we get hdmi 2.2 or something

[vale mulch]

https://www.spiceworks.com/tech/tech-general/articles/displayport-hdmi-comparison/

so not gaming

they are just in a race constantly

but dp is always uncommon

so the main difference is availability

hdmi is much more common

dp isnt

but usually dp IS a more premium version of hdmi if you compare the corresponding equivalents together

[low barn]

how r we still discussing this

[vale mulch]

but instead of how i was mixing it up and separating gaming vs movies. dp is usually just better at both and hdmi is just for accessability

you basically dont want to use your hdmi ports unless you have to

dp is literally just hdmi but better. thats the difference

only problem with dp is how available it is

but hdmi is perfectly fine. and hdmi 2.1 is good enough. this means that dp 2.1 is better than hdmi 2.1. but it's just not available. and dp 1.4 compared to hdmi 2.1 is not really comparable. meaning the dp port on the 4090 shouldnt really be used unless you need a 4th or 5th plug in

because hdmi 2.1 is better than dp 1.4

[turbid elm]

Any high end monitor you get will have dp

[vale mulch]

right but the version number is more important and if the gpu doesnt have it. youre fucked

unless there is a dp 2.1 converter

[turbid elm]

No

[vale mulch]

but idk if converters completely ruin it too

[turbid elm]

You can’t just add bandwidth with an adapter

That’s literally not how it works

[vale mulch]

oh right. so it would be able to change into a hdmi but still at dp 1.4 architecture

[turbid elm]

Yes

[fierce spindle]

The gpu's aint the issue, they are usually a version ahead. Monitors might be lacking the right version tho, even some high-ends

[vale mulch]

the 2.1 is just not in the system

[turbid elm]

But the 4090 doesn’t have dp 2.0, which is a problem

[vale mulch]

i guess i was originally thinking maybe the 2.1 architecture could come in its own device and you could plug in to get that hardware improvement

[turbid elm]

No

It has to be natively in the gpu

[vale mulch]

itd be cool if something like that existed

[turbid elm]

But it can’t

[vale mulch]

yeah

[fierce spindle]

Are there even dp2.0 monitors yet? Lol

[vale mulch]

there should be dp 2.1 right

[turbid elm]

Probably

[turbid elm]

2.0 is the major bandwidth improvement.

[fierce spindle]

I doubt there are any yet

[vale mulch]

the use case is so funny to me. it's literally just fancy hdmi

[turbid elm]

Kind of

[vale mulch]

its also better because its better for multi display monitor set ups

[turbid elm]

Also kind of

[fierce spindle]

Alienware had some super fancy moniror last year, but it shot itself in the foot by not having hdmi2.1, but only hdmi 2.0 lol.
Let alone dp2.0 is a thing already

[turbid elm]

Lol

[vale mulch]

hdmi is not better at all in any use case other than it is the only one that's there because dp is never there lol

[turbid elm]

Dp is not “rare”

[vale mulch]

no

but its only on like pcs

its not on laptops

or consoles

or tvs usually

[fierce spindle]

Cant really compare hdmi vs dp, calling one better than the other. Definitely without using versions lol

[vale mulch]

and when it is there. its either an outdated version or its up to date with the coinciding hdmi ports on the device

so when it is there. there is still a chance that it is an older version in which case. its still not useful

besides being an extra display port

you will want to use your hdmis first in the case of the dp being a lower version

which IS the case of the 4090

so this is relevant

when it is up to date. then its always the better option. and all your activity and primary use cases should use the newest dp first

welp this is good to know at least

[fierce spindle]

Its only relevant if the monitors and cables are compatible. And the monitors are usually the problem. The versions on GPU's are usually way ahead of the ones on the monitors.

[turbid elm]

framwork gives you dp lol, but yeah, it ususally isnt, unless its minidp

[vale mulch]

and in those cases it could very well be the "best" primary option

[turbid elm]

well, dp if you want

[vale mulch]

if the minidp is a better than the hdmi on the laptop

which it should be and if it isnt. oh well. ig you have an extra display port

[turbid elm]

for your purposes, both the hdmi and dp on the 4090 will be sufficient

[vale mulch]

for similar reasons of why . if your laptop still has vga and hdmi. you could plug in using hdmi first

[vale mulch]

sufficient for an individual yes. but i care more about everything ive talked about.

[vale mulch]

and not just cause the hdmi doesnt hurt your fingers.

kind of funny intel has it already

[turbid elm]

lol

[proud rapids]

i think amd 7000 have it as well

[turbid elm]

yeah, i think so too

[vale mulch]

this is a big deal

[turbid elm]

does this mean you want a 7900xtx instead of a 4090?

[vale mulch]

kind of dumb that amd has dp 2.1 and nvidia doesnt have shit

do any of nvidia's dp go above 1.4?

[proud rapids]

why no pcie 5.0 gpu's yet

[turbid elm]

it wouldnt change anything

[vale mulch]

its kind of hard to justify a $600 price hike with NO dp 2.1. AND it doesnt even matter that its dp. it could have been hdmi 2.3 and maybe that would have been better. but the fact remains that amd has better ports already.

and thats insane to me

[turbid elm]

hdmi 2.3 doesnt exist for 1

[vale mulch]

exactly

thats what im saying

im not lost on dp vs hdmi anymore

im literally going to have to reconsider the 7900 xtx over the 4090 because of this

[velvet falcon]

you really dont have too

do you need that extra bandwidth

[turbid elm]

dp 1.4 and hdmi 2.1 are approximately equal, while dp 2.0/2.1 can do 16k@60 with display stream compression

[tribal stirrup]

Im going to assume this thread is done, soon to be locked.
Please keep discussions limited to your build. Random tech chat or picking of a single item does not justify keeping this thread open.

[vale mulch]

its not exactly about what i need right now. its about whats the better purchase honestly

[low barn]

a gpu is pretty important

[vale mulch]

its not done.

[low barn]

its over $1000 for an item langley

[vale mulch]

i can't even believe that you would say this

even as a mod

like i cant believe you are buying into what some of the people on this thread have been saying

[low barn]

we have been talking for the past hour about cables

i can like kinda understand

but dont see where the issue is

[vale mulch]

i had no idea what dp was before

and i am comparing the different aibs for gpus

if the thread gets locked it will literally set back my entire build

[low barn]

surely a thread is more important than people in tech-chats being assholes or misinformating

[vale mulch]

yeah literally

if the thread is locked. wtf am i going to do.

[fierce spindle]

Okay, but what monirors are you gonna use?

[low barn]

i may or may not still be mad about the guy that called me a human trafficker

[turbid elm]

1st we'll complain to mods, and 2nd we'll start another. you will finish this pc build

[vale mulch]

"stay on topic" like wdym.

[turbid elm]

everything here is on topic

[vale mulch]

thank you. i dont mind restarting.

it was never about having a chat or a message count

[turbid elm]

even if its locked we can still look back through this thread

[vale mulch]

literally just care about building a pc. anyone can add me on discord.

[low barn]

can you send the latest iteration of the pc so far

[vale mulch]

i will say. its like the mods only read part of the messages and dont actually read whats happening

[fierce spindle]

Why decide a different gpu based on a port u cant get a monitor for the next 3, maybe 5 years?

[turbid elm]

id say 3 or less

[low barn]

7900xtx is usually the better choice anyway

90% of a 4090 at half the price

[vale mulch]

i have even edited the original message to the point of fear of getting this thread locked.

and i have even tried to not have negative people who come in here to goof off by blocking them. with no help from the mods

[low barn]

dream can i dm you rq

[vale mulch]

of course my dms are always open

[fierce spindle]

Maybe, but probably only a handfull, very expensive ones that are overall still worse than other monitors with current version ports lol

[turbid elm]

yeah true

[vale mulch]

those people would constantly come in here, only to goof around a increase the message count to the point that was out of my control

[fierce spindle]

Just saying: yes, the versions are important. But in thise case i wouldnt get another gpu based on that

[tribal stirrup]

Forum threads are not intended to be used as personal chatrooms. If i were you id stay on topic and ask the questions you need pertaining to your *particular *build. Discussions about other tech should be in the proper channels

[low barn]

can u send the latest iteration of the pc

[vale mulch]

this is NOT a personal chat room lmao

[vale mulch]

we were discussing dp vs hdmi. (not for fun btw lol)

[low barn]

pls

[vale mulch]

for what reason? so that i can decide on a gpu for the particular build in question. obviously

[turbid elm]

a lot of this is learning about each component/piece of tech in the build

[tribal stirrup]

What components you already crossed off ?

or better yet whats left

[fierce spindle]

Can u pin in threads like this? Maybe not a bad idea to pin the ppl post where u put ur somewhat final parts in?

[turbid elm]

I believe it’s the motherboard, case, and power supply

[vale mulch]

i have edited the forum post to better reflect this as updated. if you are on mobile, you can clear your cache and the thread will reset to the top.

otherwise,

cpu: 7950x3d
gpu: 4090
mb: probably a x670e
ram: proabably ddr5 6400 cl32

but i say probably because my research is definitely not done

[low barn]

langley what do you prefer

a guy to learn, or a guy who is handfed the components

[vale mulch]

and im even going back on the 4090 because of the price hike without 2.1 dp

[vale mulch]

somebody gets it. if i wanted to be spoonfed parts i would have just gotten a bf.

[low barn]

handfeeding is easier but learning is more fun

[turbid elm]

Cl30, not 32, imo. Its more common and slightly better

[low barn]

youre looking at marginal gains

[tribal stirrup]

thats what the rest of the discord is for.

[vale mulch]

i dont even know how to say, "sorry i was so dumb" anymore

[low barn]

the rest of the discord is only tech chats which lets be honest, isnt the best place to be

[tribal stirrup]

Maybe we need some learning channels then lol

[vale mulch]

i tried learning in those "tech chats"

[turbid elm]

Every time I’ve been on a tech chat, it’s been so much chaos I can’t figure out what is going on

[low barn]

its either the nicest and most fun place
or the most horrid zone ever

[vale mulch]

i was literally put to shame and told to make my own thread. they hated me so much that they came here to comment after

[vale mulch]

thats what i meant mb.

[crystal atlas]

Honestly I think some general information channels could be very useful, as #1027757333117415424 is useful, but only to a point

[low barn]

if you want the most gains, youre prob looking at a hynix a-die kit

[low barn]

and lots of headaches

@vale mulch ok so you do anything that would require cuda cores

[fierce spindle]

If we move 5 years ahead in time and then you'ld be looking to buy an old used budget GPU and somehow by then u do have some crazy dp2.1 monitor: yes, in that case it would be worth considering what second hand budget 4090 or xtx you wanna buy.

This day: don't bother. Its good to learn about the versions, but dp2.1 wont be a thing u will use for years to come. And if you really would be able to and would want to use it in lets say 5 years, you gonna need a newer PC anyway. One that can actually produce fps for that kind of bandwidth lol

[vale mulch]

im still lost on cuda cores. ik what tensor cores are

i just know that gpus have cuda cores

ik i need tensor cores, but i dont need as much as like a 6000 ada

[low barn]

basically, stuff like video editing or some 3d modelling software work better with nvidia

[low barn]

no idea wtf tensor cores are either, i think those are for the AI stuff

[vale mulch]

does amd not have cuda cores at all

[vale mulch]

yep

[low barn]

no, they use their own type of cores

[vale mulch]

oh do you know which type

[low barn]

CU aka compute units

or wait..

maybe stream processors..

stop asking questions i cant answer it ruins my ego 😭

[fierce spindle]

https://www.cgdirector.com/cuda-cores-vs-stream-processors/#:~:text=Do AMD cards have CUDA,only available in NVIDIA GPUs.

[low barn]

my lord and saviour

[turbid elm]

Tech chat is honestly the worst. 16 concurrent reply chains and 3 random people screaming about their issues — all at the same time

[low barn]

a tech chat talking about briskets and the other about downing thick soup

[turbid elm]

Wow, that sucks. Uninformed people don’t deserve to be shamed. Learning is what pc building is all about

[vale mulch]

so although dp 2.1 is out and it is better. its not worth getting the xtx for this alone because hdmi 2.1 is still capable of 8k at 120hz. and 1.4 is still good for 8k at 60hz. so an aib with 2 hdmi 2.1 ports is probably preferred.

[turbid elm]

“Stay on topic” my ass

[proud rapids]

no gpu atm is can do 8k 120hz

[low barn]

you dont have to be like that

[turbid elm]

No anything atm can do 8k 120

[turbid elm]

Wdym

[fierce spindle]

Yes, and mainly bc you wont find any monitor or tv that will provide over 8K 60Hz and that will use dp2.1 to achieve it

... yet*

[proud rapids]

i meant in games

[vale mulch]

yeah so not actual expected performance. just the capabilities of these ports tho

[low barn]

4090 in half life 2

[low barn]

ruin the fun

[fierce spindle]

Not even 👀

[low barn]

yes even lel

[fierce spindle]

8K is not just doubling 4K

[turbid elm]

No I was saying mods telling us to stay on topic here is stupid when tech chat(s) are so much worse for staying on topic

[low barn]

youre overestimating how hard half life 2 is to run

i assure you, 8K 120 is possible

[vale mulch]

so before moving on, how is dp 2.1 different from dp 2.0

[low barn]

i think theyre the same?"

[fierce spindle]

I dont know, i havent even used dp2.0.
I dont even know if its in use?

[vale mulch]

i have also heard that dp 2.0 is now updated to dp 2.1 or something

[fierce spindle]

I think dp2.0 will just be skipped then

[turbid elm]

Dp 2.1 probably adds some minor tweaks, but dp 2.0 is what greatly increased the bandwidth

[fierce spindle]

As far as i know most monitors have dp1.3 and some higher ends 1.4

[vale mulch]

heres the max for dp 2. i think 2.1 has the same "rating"

[turbid elm]

Up to 16k with dsc (display stream compression)

[turbid elm]

Yes, at the bottom it says “dp 2.1 adds usb 4 compatiblity”

Almost everything is 2.1

Because it “replaced” 2.0

[fierce spindle]

https://rog.asus.com/monitors/32-to-34-inches/rog-swift-pg32uqxr/

Theres actually 1 out already

[low barn]

how tf doesnt the neo g8 use dp 2.1 but that one does

[fierce spindle]

Doesnt it use 2 inputs?

[low barn]

probably

4k 240hz

[vale mulch]

so ive decided that hdmi 2.1 is going to be good enough for me. dp 2.1 and 2.0 are better but it doesnt matter cause both are better than whats actually capable and what will be capable.

if we skip 8k and the next big drop that people switch to is 16k from 4k and not 4k to 8k in the next 20 years. then by that time. i probably wont be on a 4090 or a 7900 xtx. where the dp 2.1 wont matter. it will just be a old relic like "wow the xtx had a dp 2.0 on it actually this is a 2.1?" retrospect.

i will say tho, this means that the 4090 fe has 1 "good" port and the xtx having 1 hdmi 2.1a and 2 dp 2.1 ports has not 2, but 3 "good" ports. but im pretty sure you can just get an hdmi hub and the whole hub will have hdmi 2.1 for the 4090 and there are aibs with 2 hdmi 2.1 ports

[turbid elm]

16k is so useless

[fierce spindle]

I wish they stopped increasing resolution and frequency and started increasing the ppi

[turbid elm]

The main purpose of dp 2.0 is for driving multiple displays with daisychaining

[fierce spindle]

Some very expensive and "high end" monitors have terrible ppi lol

[low barn]

at one point you stop seeing sharpness

[low barn]

like

[fierce spindle]

70 is not that point tho 😂

[low barn]

holy shit neo g8 is expensive

[vale mulch]

also, the $600 is silly without dp 2.1 but the performance is why i chose the 4090. not the ports which you should be able mitigate. you can't turn hdmi 2.1 into dp 2.1, but you can add more hdmi 2.1 with a hub. so that i am okay with.

[low barn]

yeah uh, display cables are the least of things you have to worry about lol

[fierce spindle]

I wouldnt use hubs for any gpu ports lol

There definitely wont be any hdmi or dp 2.1 hubs any time soon

[vale mulch]

and yeah so is 8k. but i feel like the jump from 4k to 8k is so tiny. a jump from 4k to 16k should be a bigger gap and still will be just as unnoticeable. but after 16k i think they might just be done and might not progress it further than that. but who knows. this is just my speculation

[fierce spindle]

Also.. hubs.. how many monitors are u planning on using? Lol

[vale mulch]

i should be fine. but just in case.

[turbid elm]

That’s a ton of bandwidth for that, I don’t think so either

[vale mulch]

i wanna start with 1 but then upgrade to 5

[low barn]

why 5 lol

4 on gpu, 1 on motherboard!

[fierce spindle]

For 5 you gonna have to add a second gpu

[turbid elm]

No, 8k, much less 16k is not worth the performance hit

[vale mulch]

it wont be for awhile

[fierce spindle]

But lets start with the 1 to 4 monitors lol

[turbid elm]

Look up ltt’s video on 8k with the 4090

[low barn]

should fix ur problems

[velvet falcon]

Cpu needs an igpu for that

[fierce spindle]

2nd gpu will give less issues

[low barn]

yeah 7950x3d has one

[velvet falcon]

Oh it does

Didn't know that actually

[low barn]

its REALLY shit but it should work for just display

[velvet falcon]

Does the 7600? 🤔

[low barn]

yes

[turbid elm]

Yes

[velvet falcon]

Oh so it's just a thing for 7000 series

[turbid elm]

Yes

[low barn]

yeah every cpu has an igpu except for like the 7500f or whatever its called

[turbid elm]

And the upcoming “g” series for 7000 is rumored to have serious gaming potential

[fierce spindle]

Watch out with responding with just "yes" often in a row, you'll get timed out lol (been there 😂)

[low barn]

*serious for an igpu

[turbid elm]

I didn’t say yes twice

Oh wait

Nvm

Sorry

[fierce spindle]

I might be old, i aint crazy 😎

[turbid elm]

Well yeah

[low barn]

just wanted to clarify that

[fierce spindle]

I dont think people will "skip" to 16K 😂
1080p is still the standard for like 90% in the market.
I been using 1440p for a couple of years and thst has been a good middle ground on everything thus far.
A small % of people use 4K, but most of thise users will use that for professional stuff, rather than gaming (so not particularly high frequency, just high resolution). 8K gaming is just not a plausible pleasant thing atm. And it wont be in 5 years either. It will remain an enthusiast thing for awhile 😀

[vale mulch]

i saw that one. i wrote my speculation based off that video

[vale mulch]

thats why i said 20 years out. im thinking long term. which is why it wont matter if i go the 4090 over the xtx

and why nvidia's choice to not include it makes sense but amd's decision to include it is like a marketing tactic ig

i really dont think 8k will be the next big thing after 4k tho. i think buyers will hold their money even though 8k tvs exist rn. i just dont think 8k will be a big drop like 4k and the bigger one might end up being 16k or something that's like in the distant future.

its hard to speculate that far

[fierce spindle]

Exactly. Also.. you said u want ur pc toblast for 10 years. Now u are digging into all of this stuff, and how deep you're diving, and how enthusiastic you are... You gonna build a new PC becore this one can celebrate his 3rd bday. Wanna bet? 😂

[proud rapids]

im using 1080p monitor but i bought it when i was using a laptop with a 1650 it also is 240hz

[vale mulch]

haha we will see.

im a very different personality type.

[fierce spindle]

Oh yea, we can tell 😂

[vale mulch]

so one of my patterns is to sit on an existing lifestyle to save money. so i dont usually upgrade my lifestyle with things every day or every week or every month.

its usually like once ever couple years

but it depends

im looking at aib comparisons. so ill be back in a bit

[proud rapids]

only way i can think to make a pc to last 10 years is a 4090 and 5800x3d at 1080p

[fierce spindle]

I'm the same way.. but once u use a PC every day so often as I do (and u will probably do), it just becomes a part of the lifestyle and it just has to receive an upgrade regularly 🤓

[vale mulch]

yeah i was definitely a wikipedia gf. but my laptop has gone like 8 years now.

i use things into the ground

shoes too

[velvet falcon]

At least 8k can make a lick of sense on a tv, on a monitor though yeah no

[proud rapids]

https://youtu.be/1y5jEK-72JQ

[vale mulch]

oh another question about these aibs

what is the difference between air cooled and water cooled

[fierce spindle]

Why would u use baller components and then not use its potential? I would definitely go at least 1440p, probably 4K.
It makes me sad when people spend like 6k on a pc and then dont spending 500 extra on a monitor to use its full potential

[low barn]

8K with DLSS is probably doable

[vale mulch]

i thought coolers were for the whole system

so whats up with these weird looking gpus with the attachment thing

[fierce spindle]

For watercooling: AIO = all in one = all components like radiator, pump, ... All prefabricated

U can put AIO coolers on cpu or gpu

[turbid elm]

There are AIO gpu coolers?

[fierce spindle]

But u can also buy everything seperately and make your own loops

[vale mulch]

also a higher vrm is a higher quality gpu right?

[fierce spindle]

Yea

[low barn]

not always

wait

yeah not always

usually better vrms is more needed for overclockers

[vale mulch]

ohh okay

[turbid elm]

8k being irrelevant now, does not mean 16k will be relevant at any point in the future

[vale mulch]

but still nice to have more vrm

[fierce spindle]

True, but its irrelevant for the decision on buying her systen now

[turbid elm]

Yes 100%

[fierce spindle]

She definitely gonna need a newer system to power 8k or 16k lol

[velvet falcon]

They are actually the dumbest thing ever though

[turbid elm]

8k is possible, but again, irrelevant

[velvet falcon]

Gpu aio that is

[low barn]

meh

rog matrix looks hot as hell

[velvet falcon]

I think they all look goofy frankly

[vale mulch]

my speculation is that tech will advance so much to the point where a 16k "release" will sell better than 8 will sell now AND than 8k will sell in 10 years because in 10 years 8k will be irrelevant. but its hard to speculate this. its more of a trend prediction thing. so nothing here really.

[low barn]

ahh

so gorgeous

[velvet falcon]

Just not a fan at all

[low barn]

look at that and tell me its not the most beautiful gpu

[turbid elm]

4k is already beyond retina, and in the future, our eyes will not be able to see more pixels than now. 16k is so far beyond retina, it’s not even a speculation

[velvet falcon]

I'm looking at jt and it's not

[vale mulch]

what is the 2nd block exactly

[velvet falcon]

[turbid elm]

It looks fake as hell though

[low barn]

the radiator

[low barn]

https://rog.asus.com/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-matrix/rog-matrix-rtx4090-p24g-gaming/

[low barn]

you mean the block with the fans, right?

[vale mulch]

ohh

[vale mulch]

oh wow

which one is the card

[fierce spindle]

It wont go that fast. Not bc we wont have the technology, but it will all be way too expensive. Like.. youtube is already having issues providing 4K content. They cant affort the server grow to provide 8K or more lol

[turbid elm]

That picture is 100% a render. That’s why I said it looked fake

[turbid elm]

The thing without the fans

[velvet falcon]

The only reason i even sorta like aios for cpus is cause tower coolers look meh

[low barn]

basically an aio consists of, dont quote me on it, its like half-science

radiator: has the water for the fans to cool
pump: moves the water around
block: to get the water to the components
tubes: get the water to the radiator

[fierce spindle]

Sounds about right yes

[vale mulch]

i dont think it will be as expensive in the future. tvs are actually the only thing going down in price in this inflation market.

you can get a 75 in for close to $500 which is $250 pre covid money.

[turbid elm]

Good description yes

[fierce spindle]

Heyyyy ruuuude. Dont yell at my tower cooler

[vale mulch]

as with everything else. tvs should have shot up to $1000+ but they didnt

[low barn]

you can def make tower coolers look really good in a build

[velvet falcon]

I mean i use one still not false

[low barn]

a good tv is $1000

[low barn]

LG C2 ❤️

[vale mulch]

i know alot about the tv market

[turbid elm]

I think you fail to understand that 8k is indiscernible from 4K. 16k will be even more so, making 16k gaming beyond useless

[velvet falcon]

If i was to have my perfect pc though I'd custom loop with copper tubing

[vale mulch]

75 in was top ladder for awhile but now its going to move past 80 in now. where things like a 82in tv is only $1300

[fierce spindle]

Lol. Not expensive to get for us, expensive for companies to provide the data. Like i said: youtube can only still excist bc they are a part of google. They are making huge losses, they can barely provide 4k content. They cant upscale to 8K. Same goes for movies and series providers

[velvet falcon]

Ngl who the fuck wants an 82 inch tv

[vale mulch]

i did

really bad

[velvet falcon]

Like it's not even a price thing that's just too big for most living rooms

[vale mulch]

i have 3 75 in tvs

so i was going to sell some and get an 82in

[low barn]

copper tubing? nawww

[turbid elm]

“8k is stupid” -Jake Tivy

[low barn]

black tubing and the copper things

i forgot their name

[fierce spindle]

I mean.. i use an AIO, but i put a tower cooker in my gf's PC, for aesthetics purposes, but i might switch it out for an AIO for performance purposes lol

[vale mulch]

is an aio the same thing as water cooled

[turbid elm]

Yes

[fierce spindle]

Basically yes, but usually smaller amount of liquid

[velvet falcon]

All aio means is all the parts you need to watercool are in one system

[turbid elm]

“Water cooled” often refers to custom water cooling

[velvet falcon]

Cause usually you need a seperate pump, reservoir, radiator etc

[turbid elm]

“All in one”

[low barn]

all in one stands for all in one correct

[vale mulch]

so aio is water cooled but it also has fans basically but water cooled today basically always has fans basically

[turbid elm]

Um

[velvet falcon]

I mean clearly it wasn't getting through

[turbid elm]

What?

[low barn]

yeah you need to cool the water

[vale mulch]

and all i need to take away from this is that gpus have their own cooler basically?

[turbid elm]

Yes, correct

[fierce spindle]

For ur first build: i would suggest to not custom water cool the pc.
I would suggest using AIO for CPU and just an air cooled GPU

On ur next build u can do whatever u want

[velvet falcon]

Fuck it do full hardline

Brass tubing

What's the worst that can happen

[turbid elm]

Literally fucking everything

[low barn]

lemme do a quick drawing of how aios work

[fierce spindle]

Mage DM'ed me they will pay for it if anything goes wrong

[vale mulch]

found this on LTT. a decent source

[low barn]

uhh

do not

worry about that

[vale mulch]

does anyone know what coil whine is

keeps popping up

[low barn]

the flowers are the fans

[vale mulch]

so this is the aio

[low barn]

coil whine is when the electricity goes through the coils or smth and makes a really ugly sound

[vale mulch]

the fans cool the liquid basically

[low barn]

yes

[vale mulch]

wow

[turbid elm]

Exactly

[low barn]

i wouldnt wish bad coil whine on my worst enemy

[vale mulch]

so coil whine just determines a noisier gpu than others like a bad die

so its rng

[low barn]

not every gpu has coil whine..

[vale mulch]

ohh

[low barn]

https://youtube.com/shorts/SPi816ocn8I?feature=share example of coil whine

[turbid elm]

The difference between an air cooler and a water cooler is a water cooler has a pump with water to carry the heat to another fin stack in the case (radiator on side of case). Air coolers have the fin stack directly on the cpu and use heat pipes to move the heat

[low barn]

and water is a better conductor so its better

*not always

[vale mulch]

this was a good source. 600w is better