I am building my first PC ever

[vale mulch]

is ddr5 the speed

[austere shale]

No that’s the gen or type as it’s called

Am5 only supports ddr5

[vale mulch]

it says ddr5 is listed under speed

[austere shale]

Tf

Show the full screenshot

[vale mulch]

and then a slower speed would be ddr4

[austere shale]

Oh I see

The numbers after DDR5 is the speed

DDR5-6000 means it’s 6000mhz

[vale mulch]

OH but the ddr5 part isnt the speed part

[austere shale]

Sure

[vale mulch]

what is the ddr5 part like ik ddr5 is newer than ddr4

[austere shale]

It’s just telling you which “generation” of ram it is

[vale mulch]

but idk what ddr is

[austere shale]

Double data rate?

I think

[vale mulch]

so its just the new ness of it

thats it

[austere shale]

Yeah

So DDR5 was released maybe 2 years ago or more

DDr4 is slowly becoming obsolete, though it is still very popular

[vale mulch]

what matters more

the gen or the speed

is ddr4 5000 and ddr5 5000 the same speed?

[austere shale]

But yeah I wouldn’t recommend anyone to buy ddr4 if they’re building a new system

[vale mulch]

and is ddr5 3000 slower than a ddr4 5000?

[austere shale]

I don’t think ddr5 gets that slow

[hot mural]

I think it goes down to 4800

[austere shale]

And I think there were very few ddr4 sticks that reached 5000mhz, they were very expensive

[austere shale]

I think 4400

I just remember seeing that in my bios

[hot mural]

Still lol, ddr5 would be better

Even at same speed

[austere shale]

Yeah

[vale mulch]

why tho

[austere shale]

There’s again bullshit about ddr5 ram latency but it’s still better than ddr4

[austere shale]

Just the modules are denser and can reach higher capacities while being made to run at higher speeds

[hot mural]

Newer, better components.

[austere shale]

That ddr4 just won’t be able to handle

[vale mulch]

so a ddr4 with higher speed is worse than a ddr5 with lower speed??

[hot mural]

The speed isn't that important

It's the timings

[vale mulch]

i heard about those

[austere shale]

Depends how big the gap is but considering ddr4 barely exceeded 5000 generally ddr5 is cheaper

I think the standard for ddr5 is cl40

[hot mural]

Like, just to make things easier ....

Ddr4 at 10,000 mhz, with timings of 50-50-50-150

Would be slower for gaming and production work at 5000mhz 10-10-10-50

I just threw out numbers btw, these are not realistic

[vale mulch]

ik

but whats the last part

[hot mural]

Timings

[vale mulch]

is that number set for the data or workload

theoretical

or is it for a made up ddr5

for comparison analogy

[hot mural]

You are trying to look too deeply into this stuff

[vale mulch]

i just want to know if a ddr4 with higher speed is better than a ddr5 with lower speed

[hot mural]

Better timings = lower latency
Faster speed = faster speed

You want to find a nice mix between low timings, and fast speed

[austere shale]

No

DDR4 is out of the question because it’s not compatible with am5

[vale mulch]

so gen is more important than speed then

[hot mural]

Ddr5 consumes less power, they have better dimms, and can obtain faster speeds.

[vale mulch]

yeah but what if i want to drop down to get better ram

[austere shale]

You won’t get better than ddr5

[hot mural]

The worst ddr5 ram is better then the best ddr4

[vale mulch]

so its a little more than just how new it is

[austere shale]

And you’d have to either get a previous gen Ryzen or go for Intel 13th gen

[vale mulch]

well. ik that now. cause the ram gen is more important than speed

[hot mural]

Right, but you are trying to get down to the minute detail on your hardware. Get a 4090, get one of the best cpus, a decent motherboard, decent ram. And you will be set for a very long time no matter what the pc is used for.

No, speed is very important. But ddr5 is newer hardware, supports faster speeds, and has better conponents.

[vale mulch]

but not as important as gen

gen controls compat as well as the architecture inside like power consumption apparently

[hot mural]

You are thinking about something that doesn't matter. Ddr5 has better specs. Period.

[vale mulch]

i mean if a ddr4 had a higher speed it would have confused me if i didnt ask

[hot mural]

Intel 13th gen, though is newer has better specs then 12th gen.

It can't thats the point. It can't handle it, nor could the motherboard and cpu that supports the ddr4

[vale mulch]

so whats going on with ram. mbs still had amd vs intel chipsets.

[austere shale]

I’ll just list the things to look for so it’s easier:
•Make sure it’s DDR5(the only ram supported by AM5)
•Make sure you don’t overspend for higher speed as AM5 struggles above 6000mhz(you’d be wasting money)
•Make sure it’s 2 sticks
•Check the latency, CL40 is a common latency, but is possible to get CL32 for a decent price, it will be a slight improvement in performance

[hot mural]

How fast of ram and how much memory you can have is based off the cpu

[vale mulch]

who is ram by

[austere shale]

Variety of companies

SK hynix Samsung eg

[vale mulch]

i need a source for the 2nd point. i dont understand why i cant just go 8000mhz

[hot mural]

Because they don't make ddr4 800p

[austere shale]

Because AM5 just can’t handle it

[hot mural]

It can't handle it

[austere shale]

You’d essentially be wasting your money

[vale mulch]

i also know the 2 sticks vs 4 sticks debate is annoying but i really need to look into that on my own time cause i hear VERY conflicting things

[hot mural]

If am5 supported it, sure .... but it doesn't. All pc parts are in a relationship with one another.

[austere shale]

If it’s AM5 it’s 2 sticks only, if Intel, then generally 2 sticks but 4 stick kits have been made and tested

[vale mulch]

what are these

i think i looked into this with a friend

[hot mural]

If you are getting 32 gigs of ram get 2 sticks.

If you are getting 64 gigs of ram get 4 sticks.

Boom, easy.

[vale mulch]

cas is the round trip

and fw is like for each package or word ig whatever

[hot mural]

You are looking into this too much. You don't need to understand the why, just know it does

[austere shale]

No!

[vale mulch]

yeah see

[austere shale]

AM5 just can’t do 4 sticks

[vale mulch]

i was told never to get 4 sticks

[austere shale]

At least not without a long struggle

[hot mural]

Oh, I didn't know that. I'm an Intel cpu guy

[vale mulch]

but all the videos i see say 4 sticks and that you should want upgradeability

[austere shale]

That really only applies to DDr4

[hot mural]

So once again dream. Depending on your cpu that will tell you what ram you are getting

[vale mulch]

so amd gets 4 slots but can only use 2? i dont get it

[austere shale]

As DDR5 is newer it may take longer to get to that stage

[hot mural]

My brain is melting

[austere shale]

It’s still possible but let’s say not for a normal consumer

[vale mulch]

if you feel a video would be better. i will watch it

id rather not draw trolling suspicion or whatever

[vale mulch]

is it just the overpriced useless thing again

[austere shale]

No it’s just that you have to play around in bios with the latency and frequency of the ram to find a stable setting. This is what the manufacturer normally does themselves because of how long it takes

[hot mural]

I'm going to speak based off an Intel cpu.

You look up the cpu. On its specs sheet it will say "supports ddr4, ddr5" Supports speeds up to "8000mhz", supports up to "256gigs of ram".

Ok great. Now which motherboard am I pairing with the cpu. Ok, this one, awsome. Then look at the boards specs. Board says it prefers dual channel memory great, so I can go x2 or x4 sticks of ram.

[hot mural]

Don't even go down the rabbit hole of memory oc. Just tell her to set xmp and call it a day.

[vale mulch]

ik ram oc is just bios

[austere shale]

Buy only one set of ram, if you mix sets of ram, even the exact same model, it may not work as intended

[hot mural]

So if you buy ram, buy the exact .... same .... thing. Don't deviate.

Like, I have this ram here in my current build.

https://amzn.to/441itQK

If I decide to get 64 gigs I'll just buy this again and populate all 4 slots on my motherboard.

Personally, you don't need more then 32 gigs. But you want to "futureproof", so I'd advise 64

[austere shale]

Just fyi. I’m using a 13700K with the same sticks at 6000mhz. But because I bought 2 sets, so 4x16gb I can only achieve 5200mhz. Though Corsair do make 4x16gb kits that are guaranteed to work

The DDR5 controller are still kinda shit

But at least you can have 4 sticks on Intel

[hot mural]

I was about to ask why it doesn't run at its supposed speed, but saw you oc'ed it further

[austere shale]

No the sticks are rated for 6000mhz, but can’t get a stable clock above 5200

[hot mural]

Huh

[austere shale]

But when I keep just one set of 2x16 it works fine

[hot mural]

My friend used 4 sticks when we built my pc. It was 6400, 64 gigs.

[austere shale]

It’s a ddr5 thing

[hot mural]

Xmp worked just fine

[austere shale]

It’s possible it came as a 4x16gb set as Corsair does make them

But the problem here is buying 2 sets rather than 1

[hot mural]

Yeah the set was 4x16

[austere shale]

Yeah so those are guaranteed to work together

[hot mural]

Awwww so if I upgrade like a week from now, and bought the same ram, it might only run at 5000 not 5600

[austere shale]

But if you buy 2 seperate sets like you wanted to it’s not guaranteed it will work at the full speed

Yes

Correct

[hot mural]

👍

But it's still better then buying different sticks all together lol

[austere shale]

Exactly

That would be disastrous

Hopefully in a few years it will be as easy as DDr4 again

[hot mural]

I watched a Jay video where he was showing that isn't mattering too much any longer with how fast stuff is getting now

Like if you mixed one at 5600, one at 6000, one at 6400

They all just ran at 5600

[austere shale]

Damn that’s lucky

[hot mural]

Right but even at say, 4000, that's still good

[austere shale]

Yeah realistically you’re losing frames in the single digits

[hot mural]

I was just typing that out lol

He went from like 121fps on cyberpunk, to 105 or something at 2k ultra

[austere shale]

I think cyberpunk relies a bit more on ram

[hot mural]

It requires everything lol. But still, considering that's a worst case scenario that's not bad.

Cyberpunk be the new crysis

[austere shale]

Oh god

[hot mural]

Meanwhile on my beast I'm still playing league lol

[austere shale]

Ready to run that pentium 1 with 8MB of ram and GeForce 256

[hot mural]

When I built my new pc, I went from a 6700k to 13600k. I didn't have a gpu yet. Ran league. Got like 160fps on 2k max settings.... I was like .... huh

I was even able to run monster hunter world, albeit low settings around 45-50fpa

I fully believe gpus will be a thing of the past at some point. It will all be igpu based.

[vale mulch]

so from what ive gathered

first choose if the ram is going to be for a laptop or desktop. obviously in this case it is a desktoo so we need dimms and no sodimms

an then gen is the most important since its literally a whole tier and everything gets better about it.

so ddr4 is better than ddr3 and ddr5 is better than ddr4 and it also controls compat with the mb and the cpu to an extent

and then the capacity is the next most important as the first 2 are conditional and p much decided by your build. with capacity you want 32gb for gaming but that is overkill and plenty of room. and 64 or higher is unnecessary.

then speed is one of the least important especially in gaming as it wont really make a difference at all since the ram is already closer for processing data and already faster than m2 nvme ssd

then latency is the least important and can just be ignored.

[proud rapids]

Speed does matter if you are going amd

[vale mulch]

https://youtu.be/mkpCvaBBo-c

[proud rapids]

https://youtu.be/BL4DCEp7blY

[vale mulch]

i already watched this one

when is DDR6 coming out

[void heart]

take the g9 neo from samsung

taking the g9 is around 1.5k more

you could make a request to linus and depositing 20k i guess? since this is a special request he could make a vid out of it so benefits for everybody

[austere shale]

It will be a while considering DDR5 just came out not long ago

And DDR4 I think existed for around 8 years before DDR5 came around

[hot mural]

On average major upgrades are 5-10 years

[fierce spindle]

DDR5 is still kinda crap compared to its potential bc its so new and u already want ddr6. Chill 😂

[fierce spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFswDJPvtPY

[rose pollen]

dream you should be fine with a set of 32 gb, ddr5, 6000mhz ram

[hot mural]

Every time I see a post like this, it gives me ptsd of my mineral oil build.

[fierce spindle]

Listen, you know what u got yourself into

and we respect it

but in this one the components arent getting wet, so thats a lil big difference lol. Yet I totally get it lol

[proper dove]

CL30 aswell

[rose pollen]

yes

[hot mural]

I didnt watch the video, I just did an eye squint when I saw liquid + pc lol

[turbid elm]

Yes

[vale mulch]

you always assume that i want something when i ask a question

i dont wamt ddr6

just want to know if its coming out soon

[vale mulch]

ty

anyway whats the highest speed ddr5 goes to?

ik its not 6000

is it 7600 or is there any higher than that?

[vale mulch]

whats a g9 neo

[rose pollen]

It can go higher, but amd doesn’t do well with higher than 6200 I think

[vale mulch]

this would be fun and cute but i really am not interested in a custom pc or prebuilt. and i also want the build experience

[vale mulch]

whats the highest speed

[rose pollen]

well the world record is like 16000 but thats unusable, I think someone in this server got theirs to like 8k

ram speed doesn’t matter very much, you’ll be fine with a 6000 set

anything above that with amd cpus can get unstable

[vale mulch]

is that industrial

whats the highest regular ddr5

without ocing

[rose pollen]

lemme check

its around 8000

[vale mulch]

what are the letters after speed for

like CL30

CL40

[rose pollen]

thats latency

It doesn’t really matter

[vale mulch]

what does the CL stand for

[lone saffron]

I gently have to disagree, i have my 2017 build that costed me 7k its a bomb even after 6 years. Same as when i first booted it up.

[median flame]

by peak performance i mean like top-tier. improvements have been made in those 6 years where far far far better can now be had. i assume its 7900k + 1080ti or smth similar but thats at best a midrange pc now.

[lone saffron]

@vale mulch You want a legit build? i can give you one. It wont cost u an arm or a leg, and is also top components u can buy in 2023. While looking aboslutely monumental. U can give it any color u would like and ur gonna absolutely adore it

[median flame]

by the looks of it they want it to cost an arm and a leg with a few kidneys as tip

[vale mulch]

sure send a pcpp

right now i just want to know what CL stands for

[lone saffron]

I gotchu, https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LFhQz6

Updated link

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/LLxzKX

so let me narrow it down to how much you will pay

4,6k usd

enjoy my friend

u cant get something better than this

techincally you could if u wanted 128gb ram but thats too much and u wont make even 25% use of it

[vale mulch]

ty

whats the cl40 after the ram speed

[lone saffron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/10pbsob/which_ddr5_ram_timings_are_better_cl363636_or/

this will help you understand

all ur questions about ram ddr5

i wanted to know as well so i searched, and i found for when i created my pc parts.

[vale mulch]

eh it just gets into stuff idk about yet

and some that i already know

okay

Cl stands for cas latency

okay so what does the number mean tho

is a lower number better then?

cl30 is better than cl40

[lone saffron]

well

long story short lower is indeed better but the thing is that if u have a CL36 6800Mhz and you want better CL for better performance, what will happen is that if you narrow down to CL32 or CL30 it will be 6400Mhz or 6000Mhz respectively

so basically even if you decide to go with lower CL the Mhz drops as well

so basically the performance between MHz and CL evens out

choosing a 36 with higher Mhz would be no different from choosing a 30 with lower Mhz

they will both perform nicely, but for general consensus i think going mid CL is best even tho your Mhz wont be as high

personally i went for a CL-30 DDR5 2x32 gb 6000Mhz as i think that's a nice middle ground

but the performance between CL's won't be that noticeable anyways, its just a matter of what you want in the end.

Also what i considered with lower CL's is QVL verified ram list of the respective motherboard you want to go with

Usually higher CL's are not Qualified Vendor List meaning they are not tested on certain motherboards as much as mid ones

if it is QVL, that means u won't have any issues running XMP profile and boosting your MHz from the 4800 base Mhz they arrive out of stock to a 6000Mhz to what it can actually have

if it's not QVL, then you might be taking a risk and if it's not working then you wont be able to use XMP and as a result end with the stock Mhz the ram comes with.

you might experience blue screen of death or crashes when runing games if you go with a ram that is not QVL while you try to enable XMP profile, so i'd be aware of that

also the motherboards of 2022-2023 that support ddr5 are kinda shaky, i did ALOT of research on what would be the best motherboard (white version) and honestly the only good one i found which has insane performance and doesn't bug as easily as other brands, is the MSI MPG Z790 EDGE

There doesn't exist a 20k ultimate pc in our day and age (it did in 2017 tho cause at that time u could build yourself a 4 way sli with 4 gpus :)), but since things have changed cause people realised SLI won't give u better performance even though it was the trend back then) , a 5k$usd pc will get you the best parts available at this time and hour

[void heart]

Just check on the internet Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo it’s a 49” curved monitor

[vale mulch]

i was gonna say okay so that means the speed is a derivative or cl but this isnt the case in fact there is

ddr5 6000 cl40 along with ddr5 6000 cl30

in this case the cl30 should be better because unlike what has been previously stated.

the cl matters more than the speed entirely.

particularly the first word latency is the most important

the speed does show better read and write speeds on tests. but doesnt equate to real world performance from what ive researched.

it is only the first word latency that will net major performance increases.

[vale mulch]

so yeah you want your cl to be as low as possible

cl30 is better than cl40 for example

"lower is better"

[vale mulch]

oh okii thanks for the monitor tip. but that sounds too big lol. 49 in? woof

[vale mulch]

what is qvl

[vale mulch]

so this means higher cl is bad too then

[vale mulch]

im not familiar with oc. also what exactly is xmp. ik it is ram oc.

[lone saffron]

https://pangoly.com/en/compatibility/msi-mpg-z790-edge-wifi/ram?c=13th Gen K series
QVL = qualified vendor list = tested by motherboard manufacturer = gives you a sense of if it works or not when you enable XMP.

[austere shale]

Yes but generally you won’t get more than cl40, speed makes a bigger difference

But I guess you’re limited to 6000mhz so if you can get a lower latency that is ideal

[vale mulch]

https://youtu.be/b-WFetQjifc

what does "tight timings" mean

[austere shale]

Low latency

Just pick a kit of ram 😭

There’s nothing much more to it that you can control

[turbid elm]

Just get cl30 6000mhz

[austere shale]

Just set these filters. Choose something you like the look of. Don’t spend extra for ram faster than 6000mhz. It shouldn’t cost more than $250

If you can get lower latency ram for 10 more dollars go for it. Any more than that don’t bother

[vale mulch]

i work til 10pm everyday

and then i sleep for 90 mins

and then i literally try to stay up

i woke up just now

i still dont know anything about timings

like what are timings

why is it like 3 or 4 numbers

[vale mulch]

so qvl is manufacturer certified thumbs up that you can xmp it?

[muted token]

Not important, not unless you’re trying to maximize performance for overclocking

Just look at CL/CAS and Mhz for now

[vale mulch]

so do you just not know?

does no one here know lmao

[muted token]

It’s extremely difficult to explain

[vale mulch]

okay

well i have til 1 pm

[next mountain]

just take my build holy fuck

[vale mulch]

why on earth would i do that

[next mountain]

if you want different aesthetic just change osme items

[next mountain]

because its one of the better one?

[vale mulch]

im not even done choosing an aib or a mb

[next mountain]

aibs dont matter they all perform relatively the same

[vale mulch]

if you guys rush me i will literally have to just restart

[muted token]

I meant more like an entire university class to explain this

[next mountain]

youre just throwing money for brand and aesthic

[vale mulch]

this is not true

[muted token]

Or like an hour of video at least from AHOC or something

[next mountain]

this is true though

all 4090 coolers were designed for 600w

the 4090 only does 450w

[vale mulch]

some have slightly different performance and offer different aesthetics and different cooling

[next mountain]

are you going to overclock the gpu?

[vale mulch]

so obviously im not going to fucking choose a random aib that looks cool thats fucking dumb are you kidding me

[next mountain]

are you going to overclock

[vale mulch]

im not spending all this time and money to pick something in a dumb way

[next mountain]

just answer the question

[vale mulch]

this isnt russian roulette

yes im planning on oc

[next mountain]

how heavy of an overclock

[vale mulch]

idk

idk anything about oc

[next mountain]

are you trying to push the cards stability or just a light one?

[vale mulch]

idk

[next mountain]

then get any 4090 you want and call it a day

[vale mulch]

idk anything about oc

i havent chosen which 4090 yet

yesterday i took a detour to compare the 4090 to the 6000 ada

[muted token]

Sir bro we are literally telling you that they all perform the same and the only thing different is the looks. Literally no difference in performance. And then you’re just saying “no imma ignore your explanation because you must be wrong despite me not knowing anything”

[vale mulch]

right now we are on ram

okay for fucks sake

im not a sir bro lmao

because thats not true and im asking to learn about timings

yesterday i didnt know anything about cl

if you think youre going to magically ephiphanize me and im just gonna go. omg its a ram stick with hello kitty on it

then youre mistaken

[austere shale]

It’s just that latency has little effect to your system performance and there’s nothing that the consumer can do. So knowing about it has no benefit apart from just the pure interest

[vale mulch]

basically what im saying is, we answer the questions and help me. or we dont hang out in here. nothing is going to make me go.

"oh i dont need the answer anymore. my bad." even after. if all my questions are not answered. then im not building it.

i can only google so fucking much

if i honestly thought i could do all this on my own. then i obviously wouldnt subject myself to this

but i cant

[muted token]

Google will explain it to you so much better than we can

[vale mulch]

i literally dont know everything to research

and it just takes forever

im not trying to spend 5 hours googling timings

[muted token]

What makes you think that we can explain it better in less than that?

[vale mulch]

look

idek how hard it is

[muted token]

You’re not just asking for a PC. You’re asking for a deep dive to know how one works. That takes time to learn.

[vale mulch]

i thought it would be a simple explain and go

[muted token]

I have been building PCs for 7 years and i’m still learning new things

[vale mulch]

a deep dive???? lmao

you should know this

and if you dont

then why say anything here

honestly

https://tenor.com/view/headache-stupid-people-oh-my-god-omg-oh-my-gosh-gif-22026951

[muted token]

Idk cause i was trying to help you build a PC

[vale mulch]

it doesnt sound like it at all

it sounds like you came in here just to be mean to me

[muted token]

I guess what you want instead is a shortcut to understanding how each and every component in a PC functions

[vale mulch]

or to make fun of my process

[muted token]

In which case, gluck with that

[vale mulch]

its not a shortcut. i wasnt under the impression that learning timings was gonna take me 7 years

anyway this is what i know about ram

ddr = the gen
the number after ddr = the speed. usually in mhz. ddr is not the speed.
the cl number after the speed = cl which stands for cas latency which makes or breaks performance and is more impactful than speed on real world performance while speed has more of an effect on synthetic benchmarks.

the speed doesnt really matter. almost every speed has the same performance or the linear progression is like a 5 degree slope.

[austere shale]

That’s all you need to know to choose your ram

But the latency and speed parts are switched around

Speed has a bigger effect than latency

[vale mulch]

thats not what i have observed

i also posted the video from linus where he shows the proof

maybe speed mattered back then for boomers

like ddr4

but this is ddr5 we are talking about

[austere shale]

It also depends on the application

[muted token]

Ok ignore LTT if you wanna go this deep

Because they oversimplify things a bit

[vale mulch]

sometimes they do

but they were p good on this ram

[muted token]

Mhz matters more than CL to an extent

[vale mulch]

it wasnt like it was the only ram video i watched

https://youtu.be/b-WFetQjifc

this was the only good speed test

[muted token]

One step of improvement in mhz (usually by 200mhz) usually gives a slightly better benefit than having a lower CL by 1

[vale mulch]

but it was a synthetic benchmark not indicative of irl performance

not every benchmark is synthetic like this

[muted token]

That’s aida read write speeds

[vale mulch]

this is just raw data being pushed.

[austere shale]

Considering your 6000mhz limit I’d maybe look at lower latency dimms if you care about it

[muted token]

It translates well only to aida read write speeds

[vale mulch]

why is 6000 mhz the limit

im not saying your wrong

[muted token]

Literally nothing to do with how real world tasks work

[vale mulch]

im just saying i have seen 7800 ram sticks

but after watching the video i dont think i would go that high

unless the deal was good enough

[muted token]

You would want to see gaming tasks

Not memory benchmarks

[vale mulch]

cause from the video, it seemed like the 6000 and 6400 were the highest speeds without problems but its only because of their cl

[austere shale]

Because you went Ryzen

[vale mulch]

so its really not the speed

[muted token]

Cause memory benchmarks is one of the benchmarks that’s least related to real world performance

[austere shale]

If you look at the gaming section and compare different frequencies with similar latencies you’ll see the higher frequency ram gets more performance

[vale mulch]

heres the top speed ddr5 that is compat

but in the video, LTT does say anything above 6400 wouldnt post

for amd, but then why say its compat on pcpp

[austere shale]

Because it is compatible

You just won’t be able to run it at full speed

[muted token]

It wouldnt post above 6400, doesnt mean it doesnt post below it

[vale mulch]

in what the video?

[austere shale]

And if you do then your system will be very unstable

[muted token]

You can just put in an 8000 stick and run it at 6400 and it’s compatible

[austere shale]

Yes the one you linked

[austere shale]

^

[vale mulch]

you can set your higher speed ram to be lower?

[austere shale]

Yes

[vale mulch]

oh i didnt know that

[austere shale]

Manual overclocking

[vale mulch]

well this would be underclocking

[austere shale]

The standard speed of ddr5 is like 4400mhz, but to get to 8000mhz you have to overclock it

[muted token]

No

[vale mulch]

cause its a lower speed.

[austere shale]

8000mhz is more of a rating of what the ram can do

[vale mulch]

no that stick is 8000

[muted token]

All ram is clocked at default speed, which is usually 4800

[austere shale]

It’s not the default clock speed

[vale mulch]

whatt

[austere shale]

No I’m saying that all ddr5 ram will run at 4400mhz or there about unless you change it in the bios

[vale mulch]

okay okay

what is xmp

[austere shale]

Like autooverclocking

[muted token]

To get advertised speeds you have to enable XMP which stands for Xtreme Memory Profile

[vale mulch]

ik that but

[austere shale]

But only if the ram is specific to the cpu

[muted token]

Which is overclocking

[austere shale]

So if you try going xmp with a Ryzen and 8000mhz ram it will overlock but won’t be stable

So you can’t use xmp then

[vale mulch]

okayy so xmp is the oc for ram

and now i know what it stands for

so all ram has a base frequency and you always have to change it in bios?

[austere shale]

Pretty much

[vale mulch]

if a new pc builder isnt taught this they could have bought ram and never known to change it??

[austere shale]

Yes

[vale mulch]

i feel like that is an important thing to mention

[austere shale]

Assuming they haven’t watched tutorials

[vale mulch]

what was ddr4's base

[austere shale]

2133

[muted token]

It’s always mentioned in “how to build a PC” tutorials

[vale mulch]

so outside of xmp

[austere shale]

^

[vale mulch]

what do people mean by overclocking your ram

outside of xmp

[vale mulch]

and also not from the ones ive watched

[austere shale]

Manual over clock

[vale mulch]

how is that different than xmp

[austere shale]

Unusual

It isn’t really

[vale mulch]

i havent watched the build pc videos tho

just the pick parts videos

[austere shale]

Oh

It’s in all the build ones

[vale mulch]

because obviously a build video is pointless to me right now

but i will eventually get to it

like is there any other way to overclock ram besides xmp

like do you have to pour liquid nitrogen on it like the videos

or something

[austere shale]

No

You can manually choose the clock speed you want

And hope it works

[vale mulch]

but that's the exact same thing as xmp i thought

with xmp i thought you literally go into bioa and choose the clock speed you want and hope it works

[muted token]

Yes, manually typing in the speed and timings yourself in bios

[muted token]

No, XMP is a profile like its name says

[vale mulch]

okay i think im on board

whats a profile lol

[muted token]

It contains a preset of all the numbers needed for the clock speed and timings

[muted token]

Do you know what a preset is

[vale mulch]

no

like im only guessing a profile is in some kind of drop down arrow inside a bios menu

[vale mulch]

but other than that

so like a template

or

the only profiles i am aware of is like a windows profile

for who you log into as

[muted token]

Yes that is what a profile is

When you log into your account

All your settings and files are there

[austere shale]

It’s frequency and timing that has been set by the manufacturer that are guaranteed to work given the conditions are correct

[muted token]

Same with XMP (or really any other “profile”)

When you set that profile, all the settings are set for you

[austere shale]

^

K I go fly now

[muted token]

Safe flight

Dont fall

[austere shale]

I’ll try not to

[vale mulch]

but what is a bios profile

is a preset just a giant selection of settings

like ive had preset runes in league of legends lol

[vale mulch]

so the manufacturer just has preset bios settings?

under different bios profiles?

[vale mulch]

what are the other profile names?

are there other ones

so with the naming convention of CL40 and so on.

when pcpp has it listed here like this. does it just mean the same thing as

CL32
CL36
CL36
CL36
CL34

[vale mulch]

someone said vmem and vcore today.

is vmem = just the gpu memory
is vcore = just the cuda cores on a gpu
and vrm = voltage regulator module right?

[vale mulch]

im taking a break from ram until i can figure it out

[vale mulch]

best coolers
colorful neptune oc
gigabyte aorus waterforce
inno3d ichill black
inno3d ichill frostbite
msi suprim x liquid

asus strix
galax hof oc lab plus
gigabyte aorus master

best performance + cooler
asus strix
colorful neptune oc
galax hof oc lab plus
gigabyte aorus master
gigabyte aorus waterforce
msi suprim x
msi suprim x liquid

asus TUF
gigabyte gaming
gigabyte gaming oc

also i didnt know it went gtx, rtx, quadro

which is odd cause the quadros are supposed to be professional, but their productivity performance is worse than the 4090

[void heart]

i mean i have it and its GREATTT

[vale mulch]

i am probably going to be looking at a smaller monitor

i like em big but i think im gonna be turning over a new leaf

im selling my 3 75 in tvs if that tells you anything

gigabyte and zotac have 4 and 5 year warranties

you only get the 4 or 5 years if you register tho

otherwise its 3 years only

for both

if based of looks at first glance the galax hof looks nice

i guess in US tho, gigabyte is still 4. everyone else is 3 years

cryptomining isnt covered lol

asus warranty has bad reviews

msi warranty seems to have good reviews.

fe seems to have good durability. asus seems to be the worse.

msi have the most options.

a lot of aib partners dont seem commited to this 40 series launch

[night jasper]

I think he meant he needs a pc thats future proof

[low nexus]

the aesthetic is pink/white

[fierce spindle]

U ask why, we give an answer, u ask why on that answer, we give an answer, u ask why on that answer, we give an answer, u ask why again... ofcourse its a deep dive.
The man is right, yr not asking for a build, u are asking computer science class question to ppl who just do some computer stuff as a hobby. And u definitely ask a lot of questions thats just one google away lol. But a lot of questions is a lot of one googles. And 90% of questions asked here are not important to get a good build 😂

[low nexus]

hate to agree but yes

i may be a library of info but we are focused on building a pc

[night jasper]

Yo

[vale mulch]

i wasnt under the impression that the people here were unequipped to answer my questions

if that's the case, why bother commenting

it costs nothing to just be quiet if you offer no help

its not even a deep dive, im literally asking what timings on ram are

[fierce spindle]

bc we tried for building a PC, but ur doing pc science classes

[vale mulch]

that's not even true

[low nexus]

pc build first, questions after

[vale mulch]

im not picking parts without proper info

if you would like i can just post my first pc build

[low nexus]

you do not need to know the entire history of electronics

[vale mulch]

heres entry level research with parts thrown in

boom done

happy?

cause im not

[low nexus]

good build

[vale mulch]

it's not just about putting parts in a case and closing the thread to complete the build

[low nexus]

remove the windows dvd

[vale mulch]

its about making a confident purchase

[night jasper]

7800x3d cpu for gaming

[vale mulch]

its not a gaming pc

[amber quest]

x3d chip for gaming/3d related tasks, also add an ssd or two because that single NAS drive isn't gonna cut it

[low nexus]

remove the ram remove the cooler remove the case, add a crucial p3, go for a 4000d, get a crucial 64gb kit, go for a peerless assassin 120se and thats decent

[night jasper]

Or i7 13900k cheaper

[low nexus]

eh

[vale mulch]

everyone please stop

the attachment is like 20 days old

the first one was made with entry level research

[low nexus]

painful build

[vale mulch]

i am most likely not going with the 7950x

the cpu and gpu are already decided

[night jasper]

What cpu and gpu

[low nexus]

4090fe is cheaper

[vale mulch]

7950x3d and the 4090

im not getting the fe, it is like the worst one of the bunch

[low nexus]

eh

[vale mulch]

its better than last gen fe tho

obviously i am going with an aib

and people with deeper research know that there is absolutley no reason to go with the fe as it is horrible

[night jasper]

What r u gon use with the pc

[vale mulch]

i dont need to debate right now

i didnt know what i was doing at the start

but i do now with cpu and gpu

i need help with motherboard and ram

i need my questions for those parts answered . i dont need to talk about cpu or gpu

[night jasper]

R u gonna game with the pc or work,browse,

[amber quest]

Pick the motherboard first, then look at compatibility lists between the motherboard and cpu for ram

[vale mulch]

the only thing for gpu left for me is to choose the best aib

which i am working on while i wait for some answers

after ram idk what i should look into next

but from what i can tell performance wise, the ram is the 3rd most important

[vale mulch]

ive already looked into this option. not only is this the least recommended but it is also the worst option

[night jasper]

Cl32 3600mhz

[vale mulch]

you dont want to choose your mb first, because then you get the "best motherboard" and then you get stuck with parts for that part that are compat

its much better to choose the best cpu or gpu and pick a motherboard that is compat with them

[amber quest]

You've already picked the cpu and gpu did you not

Tha'ts why i said that xd

[vale mulch]

with pcpp, its seemless with compat but im p sure it messes up on compat here and there

[vale mulch]

oh my bad

[amber quest]

Need to make sure you get memory that will actually work properly, new gen ryzen is very picky

[vale mulch]

so heres the progress with the mb, i was picking it. but someones told me to skip it and move on cause i wouldnt know what i need until further into the build

[amber quest]

You're good c:

[vale mulch]

so right now i just have a mb that works for the build but nothing i am in love with

im trying to learn all the mb features right now

cause there are some that i want

like wifi

but idk all of them

and i will probably like a lot of them

right now i am on ram

here's what i know about ram

ddr = the gen
the number after ddr = the speed. usually in mhz. ddr is not the speed.
the cl number after the speed = cl which stands for cas latency which makes or breaks performance and is more impactful than speed on real world performance while speed has more of an effect on synthetic benchmarks.

the speed doesnt really matter. almost every speed has the same performance or the linear progression is like a 5 degree slope.

so with the naming convention of CL40 and so on.

when pcpp has it listed here like this. does it just mean the same thing as

CL32
CL36
CL36
CL36
CL34

the CL number is what is usually listed after the ddr speed

the ddr number is usually listed first

so it goes

ddr5 6000 cl40 or something

what i want to know is

how is the 40 number calculated or where does it come from?

i know it is the cas latency

and i know what cas latency is

the speed is the time it takes for 1 read and 1 write.

the cas latency is the start of the issue of the command to the end of the command that is executed

but like what is the number th

is it seconds? and is the column under cas latency is that the same CL number that is listed for the ram?

is the cas number the first number of the timings? or no maybe the number comes from the timings or is it included in the timings in some way? idk cause idk what the timings are

i need to know what the timings are

for example this OLoy blade looks interesting

but how would the cl be listed for this

is it ddr5 7200 cl32?

cause idk

its an interesting ram stick because the first word is under 9ns which is very significant

this isnt even science. it should be basic pc building research. i thought i came to the right place

[vale mulch]

i know that anything over 6400 seems to have trouble posting. but that should change with the future. and from what ive been told. its not set to 7200 or 8000. so it should post. just dont set it to 7200 in bios and you should be fine

i can literally set my ram to 6000 or 6400 and be fine

and with a fw of 9ns this should be amazing

the first word latency is the most important stat. the speed doesnt change irl performance almost at all

whereas with first word you could get 1 - 10 fps

im not even exaggeratting on the 10

so a lower cl number is preferred.

[vale mulch]

the asus strix and musim x seem to be the better aibs

https://youtu.be/Pt_S4begvQc

https://youtu.be/C2l_1JkWCNY

[austere shale]

It will change in the future, but will need a new cpu motherboard combo

[hot mural]

Rush you? It's been like a week, and you have hundreds of replies, all telling you the same thing.

If you want the best, get the AMD cpu everyone has been recommending, or the intel 13900k. Gpu, best on the market is the 4090. Get at least 32 gigs of ram, look for speeds of 6000mhz, get 2tb nvme drive, Samsung 990 pro would work, get a good motherboard and powerfully to match the cpu you get. I'd recomend at least a 1000 watt psu, but 1200 would be a little overkill but nice to have. For a motherboard just go with any one of the recommendations we have all made. If it's 200$ chances are it's a decent enough motherboard.

[austere shale]

Tbf I did have to repeat the same thing about ram several times

[turbid elm]

Someone put together a Pcpartpicker list

[austere shale]

There’s already several

[turbid elm]

You don’t need a 990. The 980 (or pro) is practically overkill anyway. Considering the budget, a 1200W psu would probably be the choice (basically the only component worth “futureproofing”). The motherboard depends on the features you want (nvme slots, pcie expansion, usb, Wi-Fi, etc.

[austere shale]

Practically all major x670 boards have all of these features

[turbid elm]

Yeah, especially with Ryzen 7000’s 24 gen 5 pcie lanes

[lone saffron]

I gave her the best pc part picker to exist at this hour and date, i will link it once again:
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/nqPwrv
This not only has insane aesthetics, top of the top performance in 2023, but you can put pink color at your desire or any other color and it will look insane !

Tweaked and added a way better PSU (the ultimate psu u can get) and yeah that should hold up for 10 years easily
Tweaked and added the only QD-OLED 34 inch monitor (the best of the best) so you have insane performance and top of the class monitor color quality and everything you would ever want.

those parts are meticulously calculated

its not something u just blow ur money on, i chose them depending on availability, performance, reviews, and most of all, reliability

[turbid elm]

That case is really expensive

[lone saffron]

Budget 5k-20k

[turbid elm]

Yeah but why buy a $263 case when you could get the lianli o11. There’s already uni fans

[lone saffron]

cause that case is better than lian li in every way brother

thats why its out of stock everywhere, but on amazon u can get it more easily

[lone saffron]

There may be uni fans but not the AL 120 v2's.

listen the person here wants the best the cream the top of the top

i gave her a list according to her wishes

[turbid elm]

Cap

WHY IS THE GPU $2600

[lone saffron]

all those prices are in CAD

but because its a 4090 and its white

so yeah

that is the price for it

[turbid elm]

Oh

I forgot lol

Still really expensive for a 4090 imo

[lone saffron]

this is the 2nd time u said expensive, the person has a big budget for a big build so trust me u have nothing to worry about

@vale mulch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv0zfDC-TpM
This is more or less how your pc will look like, you can change everything to pink or any other color you want 🙂

[turbid elm]

Just because there is an unlimited budget, doesn’t mean we should try to spend as much as possible

Bruh

[silver path]

cl30 tho not 36

[silver path]

not the h9

ill die if someone uses that

[turbid elm]

and I’m pretty sure she said she didn’t want to spend extra on random bullshit.

[lone saffron]

Random bullshit? what in that build is random and bullshit? bro why are u even in this thread honestly all u come with is complaints

[turbid elm]

Bro did you even se some of my other messages?

I explained multiple things and sent a website for the different form factors of motherboards

[lone saffron]

Ur not the one who decides what and how gets spent buddy, im here just to give her a nice build, if she wants to change stuff with her own perferences then so be it

oh im not reading walls of texts

[turbid elm]

Random bullshit like the streamer cables

[lone saffron]

If u say so ^^ keep the thoughts to urself bud

the person will decide what she wants in the end like i said

u dont have to tell me shit

[silver path]

like an overly big/expensive case

[lone saffron]

I'll have let u know that case is one of the best in 2023 and has insane airflow and looks. Also it's a mid tier

not big by any means

[silver path]

why streamer cables? shes doing ai work

[turbid elm]

Source?

[silver path]

yes by every mean

[lone saffron]

did someone say that is a full tower?

i dont think u know what big means

[turbid elm]

Ok? So? I’m still going to say that streamer cables and a $1900usd 4090 is a waste of money. As I said, just because there’s no budget limit, doesn’t mean we should spend as much money as possible

[silver path]

a h7 flow is a big case and has way more than enough room also the fact that she has an unlimited budget does not mean she has to spend more on things that arent needed like streamer cables or an expensive case just because something looks nice does not mean it is good

[lone saffron]

That is entirely up to the client wanting a new pc not you bud, like i said im just suggesting it doesnt mean it has to be this way

[silver path]

the h7 flow is by tself a big case imo its very long

[lone saffron]

h7 flow?

[turbid elm]

Yes, and she doesn’t want to spend extra on random bullshit

[lone saffron]

who said that is a h7 flow

[silver path]

shes clueless and she might follow your very expensive path and waste money on things she doesnt need

[silver path]

im saying that a h7 will even do

a fucking h5 has room for a 4090

[lone saffron]

ok. then y'all make her a new build list 🙂 u know whats best !

more suggestions the better

[silver path]

i made a list

[silver path]

yes clearly you dont!

[turbid elm]

There’s so many messages that they’re all buried

[lone saffron]

im not here to argue or debate ur choices about savings so thank you very much

[turbid elm]

So you want her to spend more money unnecessarily??

[lone saffron]

No. i want her to choose what is best for her

i only gave her a taste of what i'd think is a possibility

u know what im done writing to y'all have fun

this will not become an arguing section

[silver path]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9XBXsh

now here and fuck off far and wide

[silver path]

which are not streamer cables and a big case dumbo you dont need a fucking streamer cable for AI and gaming

[silver path]

oh mate it did even before you arrived

[turbid elm]

Lol

Yeah multiple times

[rose pollen]

this post has almost 9000 comments and they havent decided on the build yet, it shouldn’t be this complicated

she wants a white case with pink lights, a 7950x3d, and a 4090

[crystal atlas]

Yup

But she also wants to actually learn about pcs

Not just build a computer

[vale mulch]

with what part? i dont agree with this at all

if anything. ram was no offense the least helpful part of the process. if it was the same as others itd be done by now.

but honestly i feel like no one knows anything about ram

[vale mulch]

please just stop. the cpu and gpu have already been decided on.

i dont need help with the cpu or gpu.

i need help with the motherboard and ram

[turbid elm]

What features do you want on a motherboard?

Do you want Wi-Fi? How much m.2 do you want? How much usb do you want? How important is pcie expansion to you?

[vale mulch]

idk all the options

[turbid elm]

Well ok. The highest end motherboards probably won’t have many pcie slots, 3-4 (maybe)

[vale mulch]

What do you mean

The ATX as far as I'm aware as 7.

[turbid elm]

7 available. Most of them will forgo pcie slots for m.2 slots

This one for example
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BF7FT26Z?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[turbid elm]

The cpu has been decided on. Which one is it?

[vale mulch]

95% sure its going to be the 7950x3d

the gpu is just a 4090

the cpu could switch to 13900ks or the 7950x depending on some things later

[turbid elm]

Stick to amd imo, it’s cheaper than the 13900k, I think

[vale mulch]

not the k

and no the k is cheaper

the 7950x is just a more well rounded version of the 13900k. the k has worse gaming but better productivity.

idk which aib yet

[turbid elm]

Aib for gpu?

[vale mulch]

yeah

[turbid elm]

Do you prefer a certain color?

[vale mulch]

its looking like a asus rog strix or a musim x

so far

[turbid elm]

So 7950x3d or 7950x?

Or what, I’m a lil confused

[vale mulch]

yep or a 13900ks

[turbid elm]

The ks is so much more expensive

For ram I’d recommend 6000 cl30. Pretty much the sweet spot

There are some 5600 cl28, but idk how cas latency and MT/s affect ram

Also, do you have a preference for case? Or have you not looked at cases

@vale mulch

Would you prefer an AIO water cooler or a tower air cooler?

Here’s a good motherboard. Lots of m.2 and usb. There isn’t much expansion, but the 4090 covers most of the slots anyway
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B6Q23SPC?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1#immersive-view_1691344794118

So far the list I have is $3700. It could go up $100-$300 depending on the case, cooler, and storage

[fair grove]

Chill out

[turbid elm]

And if you decide on the 7950x3d

[turbid elm]

What?

[fair grove]

He’s not online

So chill out

[turbid elm]

She

Her status is idle

[fair grove]

Do I look like I care what her pronouns are no

Wait for a response before spamming shit

[turbid elm]

That was over the span of 30 minutes, and she was just replying to me

[fair grove]

How old are you

Your username and profile tells me like 12

[turbid elm]

15

[fair grove]

Hm

Ok

[turbid elm]

I made this account when I was 13, and haven’t really changed anything

[fair grove]

Makes sense

Also I support your bio

[turbid elm]

W

[proper dove]

She has

[turbid elm]

Well ok then

[proper dove]

Also for case she said she wants it to have pink/white+pink and as small as possible

[turbid elm]

Small as possible?

[proper dove]

Like itx

Or matx

[turbid elm]

Oh….

Really?

[proper dove]

But atx is probably the best

[turbid elm]

Yes

There are way more options

[proper dove]

So I’d stick with atx anyway

[turbid elm]

Yeah

[proper dove]

This is what I thought would be good https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sYWH9c

[fair grove]

🫂

[proper dove]

If she wants a white gpu then this is the best https://pcpartpicker.com/product/V8hFf7/asus-rog-strix-gaming-oc-geforce-rtx-4090-24-gb-video-card-rog-strix-rtx4090-o24g-white

[turbid elm]

What are your thoughts on the Montech air 903 max?

[proper dove]

Good for the price

Actually are the included fans dc or pwm?

[turbid elm]

argb pwm

[proper dove]

Goddamn

[turbid elm]

Fan hub included

[proper dove]

11/10

[turbid elm]

Well 3 of them

1 isn’t rgb

[proper dove]

Too bad it’s not sold in the uk yet

[turbid elm]

Yeah I wish it existed when I built my pc. Id have saved $40-$50 on case and fans

[proper dove]

Okay

[turbid elm]

Oh well. Should I put it in this pc list?

[misty imp]

Nice thread

Couple messages long

[turbid elm]

Lol

[proper dove]

Probably not

It’s super good for the price but not great for the budget (20,000 usd)

[turbid elm]

What case then

[proper dove]

5000D maybe

[misty imp]

20k usd budget??

[turbid elm]

Well, we’re gonna use a 4th of that, but yes

[misty imp]

What

[fair grove]

You play Val?

[misty imp]

Lmao what

[turbid elm]

Wdym

[misty imp]

Wdym by the 4th of that

I'm confused

[turbid elm]

A 4th if 20k (5k or less)

[fair grove]

Valorant

[turbid elm]

I do not

[misty imp]

So the budget is 5k

[turbid elm]

I mean, her budget is 20k, but 5k is about the max you can use lol. Tbh it’ll probably be 4K

[misty imp]

Lmao what are the other 15k for

Why is it mentioned

[turbid elm]

She wanted a monster pc, and didn’t know the price of components, assuming 20k could be spent on the pc

[misty imp]

What the fuck

Who assumes that much

I assume no idea what are computers

[turbid elm]

90+% of the messages are people explaining the components to her

[misty imp]

Well just get the 4090 13900k with 32gb ram

[turbid elm]

Lol

[misty imp]

There's nothing stoping her those are the best

[turbid elm]

That’s what everyone said

[misty imp]

The 8k thread

Why won't she get those

[turbid elm]

Either that or the 7950x3d, which is her choice currently

[turbid elm]

She wants to learn about the components too

[fair grove]

imagine if sli was enabled on the 4000 series

[misty imp]

I love when someone with no know lage of pcs wants to buy one

Instantly gets bombarded by terms

[turbid elm]

Imagine. All of 15 games would be available

Sli gaming is dead

[fair grove]

wdym

ah

[misty imp]

Imagine how bright the fires would burn

[turbid elm]

That how many games support sli

[fair grove]

but if it was still supported

[turbid elm]

Lol

[turbid elm]

?

[fair grove]

woudlnt it be beneficial if it were still supported?

[misty imp]

Nothing is supplying enough power to 4 4090s

[fair grove]

by developers and nvidia

[misty imp]

Or cooling it

[misty imp]

Slapping more gpu barely increase performance

[turbid elm]

Yes, for all of 15 games, but it’s not worth putting the crazy fast expensive interconnect on a gpu that 90% of the time people won’t use.

[turbid elm]

What?

Oh

4way sli has been dead for way longer than 2 way sli

[fair grove]

im saying if it was supported across more games

[misty imp]

It dosent increase performance enough for the hussle

[turbid elm]

Yeah, but it just wasn’t cost effective for nvidia or game devs

[turbid elm]

Yes

[turbid elm]

2 1600w psus

Lol

[misty imp]

Expensive

[turbid elm]

Yeah

And useless anyway

[misty imp]

I keep thinking in a poor person brain

[turbid elm]

If you want multi gpu, get quadro

[turbid elm]

Not a bad thing imo. Save that cash 👍

[misty imp]

I don't have any

10 bucks in my pocket

Well 10 Tlr whichs 0.3 dollars

[turbid elm]

Dang

Not much

[misty imp]

Fr???

Lmao

[vale mulch]

i dont need help with a cpu please. ik what im doing when it comes to cpus

i already said it is a 95% that i will choose the 7950x3d. but it could switch last minute

[turbid elm]

👍

[vale mulch]

there is like a 4% chance ill go 7950x.

i kind of see the x3d as gimmicky but its fine. cause its still really good. but the 7950x3d is a little overpriced. and the 7950x has better producyivity.

there is like a 1% chance i will flip intel ans go 13900ks

i will not go the 13900k at all. there is a 0% chance

i could use aib benchmarks and comparisons

but i doubt ill get those because of the elitist attitudes. so im working on that right now myself.

but other than that im in a great confident spot with the gpu too

i just need to learn about motherboards.

and ram

but im skipping motherboards rn

everyone says 9000 messages and over a week.

but like. most of it is just me saying this. and this was like 10 messages.

what made me learn is ultimately contained inside those 9000 messages.

but theres maybe like only 100 responses of critical learning.

the rest is literally just convincing people to help me.

i literally work 1pm to 10pm. so i cant really do anything during that time

and its been over 15 days since i started.

the first week i spent just trying to determine the best order to pick the parts in and trying to figure out how to use pcpp.

not only that but a lot of people are just wrong and overlly want tp build you a gaming pc.

so theres been a lot of fact checking other peoples work in here. like when they recommend me a 13900k. but dont look at irl performance or use case.

and then they go and say the gaming is amazing when its not

[vale mulch]

the budget is whatever. it doesnt matter

[vale mulch]

the number doesnt matter. i doubt it will get that high now

[vale mulch]

far from it. lmao

its literally been marked down in price because its not that good anymore.

like yes in the grand scheme of things its one of the best cpus on the market.

i would say #2 in productivity and like #8 or so in gaming.

the ks is literally better in every way

productivity and gaming

the ks is something like #1 in productivity and like #5 or something in gaming off the top of my head

[misty imp]

I've been using a 12 year old laptop all my lifs

It's all info I gathered online

[vale mulch]

yeah well that explains it. i used to be like you until i spent 15+ days on this

im still on laptop only

[misty imp]

My laptop died today

Mahe he rest

[vale mulch]

my laptop is getting close

i can tell

[misty imp]

Slowing isn't a sight of hardware fault

A good new w10 usually fixes it

[vale mulch]

lmao

my fans battery and speakers are broken

and i have to stay plugged in

[pine totem]

Laptop just get slower as Software get more demanding

[misty imp]

Battery to the dumpster use it pluged

Replacement fans are like 20 bucks

[vale mulch]

less durable than pcs

[misty imp]

Spekears can be replaced or use a headphone

Damn your laptop is fine

[vale mulch]

ive never and idk who to take it to

[misty imp]

Do it yoırself

Easy shit

[vale mulch]

ive been using headphones

[misty imp]

Take of the back plate

[vale mulch]

idk any of that

[misty imp]

Replace the fan

U don't gota know anything

Can u operate a screw driver

[vale mulch]

im building a pc tho ill worry about laptop stuff later

[pine totem]

Yep, do they work anyway, yep

[vale mulch]

idc if the gpu is white lmao

[misty imp]

I will never forget my yee yee ass laptop that could run lol sometimes

[vale mulch]

idc about aesthetics at all

[vale mulch]

idk anything about coolers. im on ram right now

[misty imp]

Will you play games on it

U must right

These specs

[vale mulch]

yeah

use case =
#1 gaming
#2 productivity.

it wont be productivity then gaming because those pcs usually sacrifice a lot of gaming to make productivity work since more cores is worse

so for aibs it looks like people are saying stay away from pny zotac inno3d and gainward

or really any aib that doesnt use 600w

almost every benchmark ive seen shows the fe doing much worse.

[misty imp]

What you gona play?

[vale mulch]

idk yet

but that doesnt really matter right now

ive already seen the benchmarks for triple aaa titles

[rose pollen]

you should check out the white asus rog strix 4090, it’s probably the best model and looks really nice

Or a cheaper option could be the gigabyte aero 4090

(If you want a white gpu)

[misty imp]

Buy 70k garlic breads with all your mlney

[turbid elm]

What are you trying to figure out with ram

[light trout]

Any ddr5 6000 mhz cl30 ram would work

[proper dove]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-dragon-ball-z-unlimited-power-over9000-power-level-gif-12316102

We hit 9,014 messages

[vast torrent]

Why the hell does this have 9000 messages

[light trout]

Better to go for this range because you’ll get lower CL

And I believe there is a point where (on amd cpus) if u go above a certain clock speed for ram your pc becomes unstable

[proper dove]

I hope this gets to 10,000 messages lmao

[loud iris]

She's just trolling tryna get people to overexplain simple stuff :D Its honestly really fun watching

I need ram DDR5

WHY should i get 6000 mhz

Why not 8000

but 8000 exists

but its unstable why is it unstable if it exists

but its not overclocking its 8000 mhz

oh ram is set to default at 4400 mhz

all build videos i watched dont say you need to enable xmp

[proper dove]

🗿

Too accurate

Are you @vale mulch in disguise

[loud iris]

they also said that this is there alt account

what happened to the main O.o

We should just post a pc part picker list, and, close this thread at this point

[proper dove]

I have done that thrice 🗿

https://tenor.com/view/sean-hayes-jack-mcfarland-will-and-grace-thrice-3times-gif-9638223

This is the build I recommended https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XLwRsh

[loud iris]

but but but but why that rtx 4090

why not another one

are you just trying to sabotage this build now

now she'll have to restart

all cus of you sabotaging.

[proper dove]

💀💀💀

Actually EATX might not fit in that case

[misty imp]

I will mention amd gpus

U guys will never leave here

[proper dove]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-wreck-gif-24688521

[misty imp]

I will mention pre builds!

[proper dove]

Been there done that