#I am building my first PC ever

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austere shale
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Buy a GeForce 256

vale mulch
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OH nvlink is the multigpu structure not the integrated graphics structure

austere shale
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Correct

vale mulch
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okayy thank youu

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the reason i was confused was i misread something on this article too

austere shale
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Ah

silver path
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im getting an RTX a2000

vale mulch
austere shale
silver path
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i ned those tensor coresa

austere shale
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Back in 1999…

silver path
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what are your opinons on the A2000?

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6gb variant

austere shale
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It is very gpu

silver path
vale mulch
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i thought they are only for ai

silver path
vale mulch
austere shale
austere shale
vale mulch
silver path
vale mulch
silver path
vale mulch
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one of those poeple were telling me to get the 6000 ada instead of the 4090

silver path
silver path
austere shale
silver path
vale mulch
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so the a2000 is just like the a6000 but worse and they are all "workstation gpus"??

silver path
silver path
vale mulch
pine totem
austere shale
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They use integrated graphics but actually decent

vale mulch
vale mulch
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and why are they so big if no dedicated gpu is inside

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i always thought they were bigger for that reason

austere shale
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They’re a unique use case

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Because the motherboard also holds the gpu parts

silver path
austere shale
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So I guess I should say it’s like a cpu and a gpu all soldered onto the same motherboard

silver path
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but its 1.5k

silver path
vale mulch
silver path
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id just love my series s to be able to have full blow windows not that weird windows 10 insider it runs

austere shale
silver path
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i got .exe apps to run using developer mode but theres no output on video only sound

vale mulch
austere shale
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Yes in the cpu

vale mulch
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so the 13900kf is an igpu because its intel

silver path
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vale mulch
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or ig has one on it

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and the igpu is called intel uhd whatever

austere shale
vale mulch
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OHH right mb

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so then just the 13900k

austere shale
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Or it can have one but it’s just deactivated because money

vale mulch
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ohhh okay im on board with that too

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so physical space for integrated graphics but still very small.

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and i guess the integrated graphics on a console is just bigger

austere shale
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I’ve never really looked at a console motherboard but I’d imagine so

vale mulch
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okayy but at least better in some way for some reason basically

austere shale
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Yes

silver path
austere shale
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True

vale mulch
austere shale
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But usually isn’t the case these days

vale mulch
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are they really better than the 4090

austere shale
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Depends what for

silver path
austere shale
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But usually not for gaming

vale mulch
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they were basically saying that with my 20k budget i shouldnt waste it on a 7950x3d or a 4090.

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i should just get a threadripper with a ada

silver path
vale mulch
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or a xeon / epyc with an ada

silver path
austere shale
silver path
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but do a 5k budget

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and use the 15k to get peripherals and freshen up your room

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or put it in your emergency savings account

vale mulch
silver path
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its not workth spending 20k on a pc

silver path
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and rendering

vale mulch
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please let me make my own financial decisions

austere shale
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Yeah

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But not gaming

austere shale
vale mulch
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i dont intend on spending all 20k on it

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not anymore

austere shale
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Realistically your pc likely won’t cost more than 5K

vale mulch
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things are much cheaper than i thought

austere shale
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“Cheaper”

vale mulch
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yeah so why are xeons or epycs or a6000s or threadrippers better

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and why are they so expensive

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and why were they so confident that they were better than the 7950x3d or the 4090

austere shale
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They’re only better for not gaming and they’re expensive because of their core count, cache, production cost per unit etc

vale mulch
austere shale
austere shale
vale mulch
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what is a shared computer

austere shale
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But in gaming you’ll mainly be limited by latency and all that with those expensive cpus

vale mulch
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what about the industrial gpus

austere shale
austere shale
vale mulch
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ohh no thats fine. thats why i didnt google it tho

vale mulch
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whats a google gpu

austere shale
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Don’t worry you can’t buy them

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But even google I think use Nvidia gpus now

vale mulch
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so theres consumer grade hardware, industrial grade hardware, and then just straight up hardware that you dont have permission to buy and you have to be okay with that

austere shale
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But like Nvidia tesla and all that stuff

austere shale
vale mulch
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and industrial hardware you can buy. but its harder to find.

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why doesnt pcpp list all the hardware. its so annoying that industrial hardware isnt on there

austere shale
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Because pcpp is for normal consumers

vale mulch
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well i just feel like low end industrial hardware is still normal

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and i feel like im still normal

austere shale
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I guess you could consider the quadros normal

vale mulch
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i also keep getting industrial recommendations and i just want to know why. like how and where do these people become such great fans of this hardware that no one cares about

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so what are quadros

austere shale
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Juiced up gpus usually used in servers and rendering

vale mulch
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can you use server hardware for non server stuff

austere shale
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They game okay but are far from worth it

vale mulch
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is that a thing

austere shale
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If it’s compatible then yes

vale mulch
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compatible like as in can fit in your mb socket?

austere shale
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Eg a quadro rtx8000 can be used in a normal pc

austere shale
vale mulch
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cause gpus are p much always compatible right

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cause they all use pcie basically except the pci gpus

austere shale
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Like you can’t put ECC memory in a normal consumer motherboard

vale mulch
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and then supported how do you mean

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what is ECC

austere shale
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Error correction

vale mulch
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ohh okay

austere shale
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Used in servers that have to be reliable

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Because bit flips and cosmic radiation whatever

vale mulch
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i saw ecc on that one review site. and it was a feature of mbs

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is the extra c silent lol

austere shale
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Nah I can’t remember what it stands for XDD

vale mulch
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oh mb

austere shale
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Error correction code

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According to google

vale mulch
austere shale
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You should use ram as storage

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No I’m joking

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Don’t do that

vale mulch
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so ecc needs to be supported by the mb.

austere shale
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Yes

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So usually this will be Xeon and epyc boards

velvet falcon
vale mulch
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and by memory and storage it just means ram and ssd / hdd

austere shale
vale mulch
austere shale
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Pretty much

vale mulch
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okay cool

austere shale
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And tends to be more expensive

vale mulch
austere shale
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Yes

vale mulch
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wow

austere shale
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But if your system loses power for even a second your data will basically be gone

vale mulch
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and so ram has a write speed like a ssd

austere shale
vale mulch
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is there any real world benefits like is it faster

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but just more risky

austere shale
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Yeah and insanely expensive

vale mulch
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oh really

austere shale
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But I think the latest version of it runs on DDR2

vale mulch
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ohh wtf

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so its a growing thing in its infancy and it might die

austere shale
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And I think it was more experimental, it was never really a big thing

vale mulch
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and people are only trying to do it with OS

austere shale
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Yeah

vale mulch
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so basically a golden pickaxe from minecraft

austere shale
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The thing did come with a battery that basically powered the ram in case of power loss but it only lasts a few hours

austere shale
vale mulch
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waiitt so if it lasts a few hours. does it need to be on the whole time or does it only power on during a power loss meaning 5 hours of ram battery could last you a few weeks

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and if not is there a way for people to charge the ram battery

austere shale
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Only when there’s a power loss

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And batteries need changing

vale mulch
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okayy

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so you could get 2 of those

austere shale
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LTT might have a video on it

vale mulch
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and swap them out back and forth

austere shale
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I guess

vale mulch
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depending on how long it takes to charge each one

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i wonder how they would charge it

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a wireless charging dock

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reload your ram mid session like a gun

austere shale
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😂

vale mulch
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lmao

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its super interesting i wish it got developed further

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i feel like something is there with that maybe

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but ig we have m2 now

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so not really

austere shale
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Yeah

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Pcie gen 5 speeds seem to be doing somewhere too

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Like 12000MB read

vale mulch
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so all these productivity speeds only start to matter tho when you start to use these applications like scrubbing the timeline and nothing is ever really noticed or noticeable at the file explorer internet browser level

austere shale
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Yeah. Unless you’re sorting 20K photos by date

vale mulch
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yeah or search a file by name. that always take me a long time on my laptop and its just a green bar forever

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stuff like that

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so then productivity cpus like the threadripper and the xeon and epyc or epoc or whatever and the workstation gpus like the a6000 or ada are mostly not worth it even for productivity cause you can just get the 13900ks or the k for productivity or the the 4090 which is great at both gaming and productivty and is still better than the xtx

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like how good are those industrial level cpus and gpus?

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i know they are like a 100% productivity and 0% gaming sort of ratio

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but like ik they can still be used for gaming

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and they are expensive

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so how much worse are they

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are they worse than the 13900k or the ks?

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in gaming

austere shale
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I don’t remember exactly but a quadro for example had similar performance to a 3080 but cost 5 times more than a 3090

vale mulch
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okayy

austere shale
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And yes quite a bit worse considering the price

vale mulch
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that makes a lot more sense

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and the quadro is a lower end industrial one

austere shale
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Yeah sure

vale mulch
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im guessing the 6000 ada is better

austere shale
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More for rendering vfx whatever

austere shale
vale mulch
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is there a industrial version of pcpp where i can look at the rest of the hardware thats out there

austere shale
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Not to my knowledge

vale mulch
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and the a series and ada series are all still nvidia

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damn

austere shale
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I wouldn’t worry about anything outside the RTX4000 series of cards if I were you

vale mulch
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i wont now if the quadro is only a 3080

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but that means the 6000 ada might be on par in gaming with the 4090

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which if it is the case. is kind of a big deal

austere shale
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Nah in gaming the a6000 is still a mile off

vale mulch
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but the a6000 is last gen apparently

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6000 ada is this gen

austere shale
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Don’t know why I put a

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But the 6000 still is outperformed

velvet falcon
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a6000 has the performance of a 3090 while drawing less power, its kinda based

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you know besides the fact it costs 5k

vale mulch
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6000 ada is the new a6000 tho

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so i wonder how that stacks up

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and are there any benchmarks out there

austere shale
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I still find it funny how right now how the gpus that will be realeaeed in 2-4 years are being developed

vale mulch
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ive never seen one comparison of industrial vs 4090 or industrial vs 7950x3d

austere shale
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Coz it’s a bad comparison

vale mulch
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good to know tho

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cause they might be better all around

austere shale
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I guess

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But companies who buy them know what they need and what they’ll do with them

vale mulch
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like if productivity is doubled!? and gaming drops to 8th place. then i would be okay with not having the 5th best cpu or so on

austere shale
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Sure

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8th place is still very high

vale mulch
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can productivity increases that high be expected

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or are they just barely better than 13900ks

austere shale
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Depends on the specific application being used

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Could be the same in one and miles apart in another

vale mulch
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cause from what ive seen all the benchmarks point towards the 13900ks being absolutely #1 in productivity in terms of consumer grade only

austere shale
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Yeah

vale mulch
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yeah but the percent difference or if you average the performance out you can still get an approximate best

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but ig that wouldnt matter if the user only uses the app that its the worst in

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but at this level this is usually not the case.the ks is p much better in every benchmark and score and application compared with the 13900k and the 7950x and the 7950x3d is basically in last in that comparison

austere shale
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13900k vs ks isn’t a big gap

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X vs x3d is a bigger gap

vale mulch
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sometimes the others shift around but sometimes im saying hardware actually is just better almost every time it seems where the not so good apps that dont play nice the lead is just less but still better

vale mulch
austere shale
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Mhm

vale mulch
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the k and ks are very similar but from the productivity scores i saw it seemed like a really good lead

austere shale
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Yeah

vale mulch
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i guess i just wonder where the ada stacks up to that

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its weird that amd uses radeon for its industrial gpus

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since radeon is also used to name their apus

austere shale
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All their gpus are called Radeon

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Radeon RX6900XT

vale mulch
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ohhhh

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i was thinking of ryzen

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thats just cpus

austere shale
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Yes

fierce spindle
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I didnt read anything, just checking in.
Hows ur mental health atm @austere shale ? U still good? 😂

vale mulch
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i didnt know passmark had stuff for gpus

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this changes everything

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the rtx 6800 has the best value

fierce spindle
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Oh lord, everyone brace! Graphs spam incoming

vale mulch
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is bean your 2nd account

fierce spindle
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I dont have another account lol

vale mulch
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okay

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hard to trust anyone after whatever the fuck happened earlier

fierce spindle
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I have no idea what happened earlier

vale mulch
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he has the same pfp as you but its a golden retriever in the opposite direction

fierce spindle
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I just check in now and then, but ic theres been 500 posts im not gonna read them all 😂

austere shale
vale mulch
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and bean kind of acts like those guys but seems okay

vale mulch
austere shale
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Meow.

fierce spindle
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My gf made this pfp, so im kinda forced to use it 😂

vale mulch
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ill be on here and then someone else will just start asking questions about their pc like bruh

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make your own thread

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i cant afford to have this thread closed because it has too many messages all because a bunch of people wanted to come in here and spam

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like why spam me or this thread. to make fun of how stupid i am. it just slows it down more.

fierce spindle
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I think u good, theres been a lot of good convos and links in this thread

vale mulch
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yeah amazing ones

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just a couple bad people with tech chat 1 energy who see a number and go

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i wish i could just reset the thread if it meant less negative energy

fierce spindle
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I've seen a lot of positive vibes, not too many negative. Dont forget theres a lot of fanboys in tech and u been asking deep deep question and fanboy feelings might get touched now and then 😂

vale mulch
austere shale
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🥞

vale mulch
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i literally said to myself. "im gonna make no progress tonight on my day off"

fierce spindle
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Theres a lot of "the stuff I use is good and the best all the other stuff is bad" mentality in tech. U just gotto accept it

austere shale
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🦪

fierce spindle
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U should see audiophile or keyboard threads 😂

vale mulch
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whats audiophile or keyboard threads

fierce spindle
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Anyway, I gtg now. Good luck checking and analysing allll the graphs 👀

vale mulch
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whats the difference between g2d and g3d?

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also i thought there was a rtx 4060?

austere shale
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G2d is ancient stuff

austere shale
fierce spindle
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Audiophile = like the best audio setup stuff
Keyboards = custom keyboards, switches, lubing, cases, etc
Theres a lot of harsh opinions that are mainly preference based lol

vale mulch
vale mulch
austere shale
vale mulch
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oh i found it mb

austere shale
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Np

vale mulch
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its crazy to me that the objectively worse gpu of this bunch is the best value. that is a testiment of how overpriced gpus are that none of the others have a comparable value

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its literally you get what you pay for

austere shale
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GeForce 256 🐐

vale mulch
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wow intel really does have ass gpus

austere shale
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Aughhh

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But seriously not bad considering how long Nvidia and amd have been around

vale mulch
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thats true. stilll good for maybe a itx power consumption build

austere shale
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And this is just one benchmark

vale mulch
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or a budget 1080p build

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very competitive in that market imo

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the xtx is much worse in this one than the 4090 than ive seen in other benchmarks. its literally very similar to the 4080 but even more so closer to the 4070 ti which i wasnt expecting

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the 40 series has some awful price / performance issues tho

austere shale
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Yep

vale mulch
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the xt really isnt worth it and the xtx isnt really worth it for me either

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this almost makes the $1200 4080 make sense to a $1000 xtx

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still wish $500 gpus were a thing tho

austere shale
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Yes

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And dlss for some games

vale mulch
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so dlss is that upscaling software for resolution

austere shale
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Yeah

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Basically free performance

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Some people talk shit about it but at the end of the day if you can see 144 perfectly rendered frames a second nobody cares if they’re real or fake frames

vale mulch
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okay good. how does it work. i think i used a similar upscale method to get black desert online to play on this laptop lol

austere shale
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Ai generation

vale mulch
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im p sure it was def not dlss tho as ai wasnt really a thing

velvet falcon
austere shale
vale mulch
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isnt that a waste of money tho

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cause you basically spend more later

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yeah i must have used a different upscale technique

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but it was similar to resolution stuff

austere shale
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Probably resolution scaling

velvet falcon
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Not really?

vale mulch
velvet falcon
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Like midrange gpus are fine for a long time mostly

vale mulch
velvet falcon
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And i think people upgrade their gpus way less often than you may tjink

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Like the third most popular gpu on steam rn is the 1060

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And last year the 1060 was first

vale mulch
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it would seem that whatever the a6000 / ada are good at. it's not this lol

austere shale
vale mulch
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a6000 is also really old now

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and the ada is also kind of old in the way that the 13900k is kind of old. not old but just not new

velvet falcon
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I mean it's only 3 years

austere shale
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Ada is barely a year old

vale mulch
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yeah so similar to the 13900k which is also like 8mo or so

austere shale
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Yeah

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Though gpus tend to come out every 2 years

vale mulch
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but like why go with the 13900k when newer stuff is already out. it already shows. its not bad but the newer stuff is better.

austere shale
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Do you mean Ryzen?

velvet falcon
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Intel doesn't have any better offerings rn?

viral totem
vale mulch
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its just not as good at gaming and its overpriced

viral totem
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You talked efficiency, that things the complete antithesis

vale mulch
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yeah the 13900k and ks are both bad efficiency

proud rapids
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not to mention the 13900k overheats very easily

vale mulch
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and i would argue the main reaason the 13900ks and the 7950x3d are top market right now because they are newer mostly.

viral totem
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The only thing that’ll likely be unchanged in a decade is your case

vale mulch
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the 13900k is already down to $570

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which is much cheaper

viral totem
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Only thing that’ll stay a beast, if it does [not crumble]

vale mulch
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psus have a 13 year warranty

viral totem
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it just won’t be Uber high end anymore

vale mulch
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unless all the hardware i buy falls apart lmao

viral totem
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Not my meaning

vale mulch
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but that doesnt matter

viral totem
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Oh alr

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Issue is the time frame

vale mulch
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im not saying i need #1 forever lmao

viral totem
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Ok sure

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Initial statement had me thinking that KEKW

vale mulch
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but why buy #10 today when itll be #20 next year

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id rather buy #1 now and be okay with #10 next year

viral totem
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Welp let’s hope next years round of releases isn’t like the RTX 3090 to 4090 jump in performance

vale mulch
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i did a bunch of research on phones

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did the same thing

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i got an s22 ultra

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its not the best anymore

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theres the 23 ultra

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you can only do so much and getting the best today is the best you can do.

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for me its worth the money but sometimes it actually isnt worth the money lol even if your budget is high

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the 13900ks is not worth the money

velvet falcon
viral totem
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Feel free to object as I’ve just joined this thread but if the case isn’t figured yet, fractal torrent/meshify 2 (full size) reign supreme in cooling perf

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Disclaimer - I’m unaware of any quirks

vale mulch
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if the gaming was better, and the tdp was lower and more stable then i might spend $1000 on a cpu for a true halo tier product but that cpu has questionable gains over amd for sure

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and thats intels best

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its literally better in every way to the 13900k except for price

viral totem
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Welp iirc 7950X3D wins in the gaming department but productivity is on par with a 13700k

vale mulch
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i also wouldnt recommend these parts for everyone especially people on a 3k budget

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like maybe you can squeeze it in

viral totem
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I get the idea

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focus back on you now :p

vale mulch
viral totem
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What’s been said already? How many/which components are yet to be discussed

vale mulch
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except i have seen the 13900k do much better in productivity and the 7950x do better too

viral totem
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Or has it been a catch-all conversation

vale mulch
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making the 7950x the best value but the gaming is questionable too

vale mulch
viral totem
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So case and PSU are decided for I take it

vale mulch
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when i started i didnt know how to use pcpp or what form factor was

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if that gives you an idea

vale mulch
viral totem
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Ok

vale mulch
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mb is hard for me

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i hope it gets easier later

viral totem
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Welp do remember the faster/more performant the processor the more costly it’s cooling solution

vale mulch
viral totem
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I don’t give much thought to mb so can’t say stuff

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Alr gtg

velvet falcon
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Future proofing is the dumbest thing

vale mulch
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people say there is no such thing but this is because you can never future proof it. it will always eventually get outdated.

velvet falcon
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If you spent 300 on a gpu now and a gpu in the 3 years you'd have a better experience than the person who bought a 4090

vale mulch
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but im trying to spend more now to plateau my satisfaction into the mid to late game

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before upgrading

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i dont want to upgrade every 3 years lol

velvet falcon
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Also depending on the games people play/monitor they have having the highest end gpu makes no sense really

vale mulch
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yeah but in 10 years it might make sense

velvet falcon
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Then they can get the new midrange in 10 years

vale mulch
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idk what i would upgrade to

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but probably a high end to high end to high end journey

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with longer gaps in between

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instead of mid end to mid end to mid end

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i dont think a high end to mid end is worth it.

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because the upgrade performancee increase would be lower

velvet falcon
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I mean it depends how much money is a factor to that person

vale mulch
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also high end to low end would be awful

velvet falcon
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Depends on the timespan

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Lowend stuff catches up quick

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Like an i3 12100 has the same gaming performance basically as the i9 9900k

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That's only 3 generations

vale mulch
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i feel like low end to high end would be better than high end to high end obviously

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the uprade would be huge

velvet falcon
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Yeah would be massive

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But like depending again on their monitor and the games they play it might make literally no difference

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If someone only plays like hades what difference does it make if it runs at 600 fps instead of 300

vale mulch
#

and you can probably use passmark to gauge your % diff and estimate how many years you need to survive on the hardware you have or get

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so even in productivity the 4090 is better than ada

image.png
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a6000 is super outdated too by the ada

velvet falcon
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The main advantage of the a6000 is it's vasts amount of memory

vale mulch
#

what does that do

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and the a6000 is outclassed by the 6000 ada

velvet falcon
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And since they have sli applications that need it have vast memory pools

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I mean obviously but that's cause newer

vale mulch
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doesnt sli suck

velvet falcon
#

For gaming

vale mulch
#

oh okay

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what applications benefit from sli

velvet falcon
#

Idk ngl don't know jack shit about this stuff

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Pretty sure sli is mainly used on these cards for the vram though

vale mulch
#

thats okay

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so it would seem that in 2d games the 4090 doesnt perform as good

velvet falcon
#

Big servers would have like 10 of them connected and have vasts amount of vram

vale mulch
#

nvm i read that wrong

fierce spindle
crystal atlas
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7542 comments

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That’s crazy

turbid elm
tawdry musk
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What the last list of part?

vale mulch
#

so at that level its epyc vs xeons and epyc is amd

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i didnt know epyc was amd

fierce spindle
vale mulch
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so you dont remember

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i just want to know what applications benefit from sli

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cause okay yes weve established its bad for gaming but i want to know what it was good for then

rose pollen
#

I think video editing might benefit but I’m not 100% sure

fierce spindle
loud iris
#

How the hell have you spent 12 hours deciding a motherboard but talking about gpus instead

fierce spindle
#

But it still was bad to get it setup right for stuff like that too

vale mulch
#

so just like blender then but its a pain to set up

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so its not really that good for productivity either from what it sounds like

rose pollen
#

I wouldn’t worry about it, just get a 4090 as sli is eh

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you don’t need extremely specific things unless your doing something that needs it which is rare

river heath
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id just get one off of starforge

vale mulch
#

whats starforge

rose pollen
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no clue

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just stick to pcpartpicker stuff

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and Amazon

turbid elm
turbid elm
rose pollen
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I’ve never heard of starforge lol

turbid elm
#

How

rose pollen
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I only ever researched the actual parts and pcpartpicker, I’d rather build my own

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never paid attention to companies that do it for you

vale mulch
vale mulch
vale mulch
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im on lunch at work

turbid elm
velvet falcon
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Their limited edition mech one looked pretty sick

vale mulch
#

okay these videos are helping a lot

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form factor and chipset will narrow your search down by a lot

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and similar to cpus and gpus some parts have letters to distinguish them as a premium part or mid part

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so intel has Z and B and H. but i have no idea what H is.

Z is top tier. and B is budget mid tier. does anyone know what H would be in this context?

as for amd they only have X and B.

X is top tier. B is also mid budget route.

all of this is for the mb chipset.

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can an intel cpu run on an amd mb

and can a amd cpu run on a intel mb at all??

turbid elm
#

the sockets are different entirely

vale mulch
#

tyy

turbid elm
#

np

vale mulch
#

any ideas on the H mb chipsets from intel?

turbid elm
rose pollen
#

What has dream decided on so far

loud iris
rose pollen
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bruh prebuilts aren’t always cheap

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they add a build fee to the parts

loud iris
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Prebuilts are smt you bbuy at walmart for cheap parts

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and Starforge makes custom pcs for aesthics and they dont want there computer to look good

rose pollen
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ohhhh

loud iris
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we've donethis whole conversation of GPUS motherboards with 6 different people, in span of atleast 48 hours

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They're 100% trolling

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Like we hada 2 hour convo why 6000 ada was better than rtx 4090 technically

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then they did that again whilst looking for motherboards

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??

rose pollen
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all you need to do is switch the Corsair stock fans out with the lian li ones in the aio

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then it should be good to go

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and you can do that cool pink fan thing you want

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also if you want rgb on gpu switch it the the asus rog strix 4090

proper dove
#

They said they don’t want a founders edition

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Also they want a 7950x3d

rose pollen
#

oh

vale mulch
#

also just watched this. this one had some good info

proper dove
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I’m not too sure about the motherboard but it seems like your doing some research on that

rose pollen
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that case is good value, those fans would be expensive if not bundled

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I think she wants a white case though

proper dove
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Ah okay

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Do they make the LS720 in white?

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B650E is basically just X670 anyway

vale mulch
#

that mag x670e looks good

next mountain
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it's very nice

vale mulch
#

thats probably something up my alley

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im getting an idea on features

next mountain
vale mulch
#

i might have a list tonight

next mountain
proper dove
#

Finally lmao

vale mulch
#

also i learned in that video that overlocking has 2 types

cpu oc
and ram oc

i didnt know ram could oc??

proper dove
#

I hope it gets to 9001

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Thats what XMP and EXPO do

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A 5600 mhz, CL28 kit could probably run at 6000 mhz, CL30

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Thats a lot of mhz 😎

rose pollen
#

Im pretty sure you can overclock gpu but thats a story for another day

fierce spindle
viral totem
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Or just a mobo shutdown

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Latter >95% of the time

vale mulch
#

okay so oc cpu breaks it. oc ram = no post.

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and oc gpu exists

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which i also didnt know

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also i hear oc ram is nbd

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and the main part that you oc is the cpu

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but i guess certain mb chipsets only allow ram oc and not cpu oc

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some allow no oc

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the ones that offer cpu oc and ram oc are Z and X chipsets

vale mulch
crystal atlas
#

wait whats the list

rose pollen
#

they dont have a confirmed one yet

crystal atlas
#

ah

rose pollen
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but they want a 4090, a 7950x3d, a white case with pink rgb

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idk what else

crystal atlas
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yeah ive made a small unofficial list, but at the time the only things selscted were the 7950x3d and teh 4090

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this thread just moves so fast

rose pollen
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they also dont want an fe version

crystal atlas
#

yeah I knew abt the AIB stuff

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hgave they chosen a model?

rose pollen
#

not yet but I recommend rog strix white model

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it would look pretty cool

crystal atlas
#

yeah

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thats me second fav white one

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my psersonal favorite has to be the gigabyte aero

rose pollen
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that one is clean

crystal atlas
#

yeah im thinking of getting an aero 3080 for my next build

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nvm i guess they didnt make one for the 3080

viral totem
#

Kind of goes to sleep in an instant

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I’m not particularly well versed in the technical detail backing this but that’s what’s observable

viral totem
#

So to reiterate your points you want untainted components, present-day TOTL which has no performance constraints due to its manufacturers designation/best performing out of its category

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In terms of a cream of the crop PC case I’d recommend the fractal meshify 2 or torrent mid tower RGB versions, you can customise their layout to better suit storage or good airflow afaik

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If size isn’t an issue to you that is. Lian Li O11 Mini/Dynamic XL are good as well, the “mini” title is misleading; it’s quite large in fact

heavy wolf
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@vale mulch why do you take so long on single parts

crystal atlas
#

They’re new

vale mulch
#

so basically

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gpu / chipset = the same thing. its the cpu chip on the gpu basically

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graphics card = the full on "gpu". it is the housing, cooler, the pcie plug, the io and the gpu inside and the vram.

#

video card = kind of unrelated. its the shorthand for a video capture card. a niche card for video processing and editing mostly for movie film people but also for content creators today as the market is overrun. they are optional and situational because a graphics card can improve productivity performance too. especially a workstation graphics card. but a workstation graphics card is really just an expensive video card. you could get a dedicated video card and unplug the graphics card when you switch your task or you can check your mb to see how many pcie slots you have and if the video card is similar in size to the graphics then you might only be able to fit up to 4 in a pc, but you really only need one video card and thats if you are editing 8k so that it uploads in 4k or something

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so the gpu is the chipset. and nvida makes the gpus but then sells to aib partners who put them in their own housing.

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so nvidia makes gpus not graphics cards. and asus makes graphics cards

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and the expansion slots on a mb all just equip "cards" and each card can be used for different things

#

so with the 6000 ada, it seems the overall performance only increases by about 9% compared with the 4090

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but it is like 4x more expensive than the 4090

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and the 4090 is already overpriced

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the 6000 ada is technically the best gpu. but also the worst value

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the a6000 follows behind it

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a pretty convincing test

pine totem
fierce spindle
#

U are trying to be really strict in how to use terms, but u end up mixing them up and using them wrong, lol.
Maybe try to be a lil less strict 🤓

vale mulch
pine totem
#

Weirdly enough, you can, its useless as fuck tho

vale mulch
#

lmao what does ocing the ram or the gpu do and what does ocing the monitor do lol

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what are the small minute gains the seem pointless

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i will probably think they are pointless too.

pine totem
#

Ocing the ram make it go faster in fréquency

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Same for gpu, and for cpu

vale mulch
#

okay so straight forward there

pine totem
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Monitor you make it run at 20+ hz more

vale mulch
#

but im guessing the risk / reward is also there

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ohh

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yeah thats nothing

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it probably involves taking the monitor plate off or something

fierce spindle
#

These days RAM gets OC'ed basically automatically bc the base line settings are just very low

vale mulch
#

and adding a cooler or something weird

vale mulch
pine totem
#

Risk is infact there, but you can ask #overclocking for help, personally, i wouldnt oc anything, also you cant oc the 7950x3d

vale mulch
pine totem
#

Cause x3d cache very sensible to voltage, and it kill the cpu

pine totem
vale mulch
#

yeah something like that

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does that even count as ocing

pine totem
#

But you cant change the voltage on youre cpu, or else it die

vale mulch
#

i know the ks is an overclocker

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i am interested in ocing

pine totem
#

Ocing is quite useless tho lol

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The actual perfomance improvance is quite small

fierce spindle
#

You definitely should OC your cpu and ram. But just do auto-OC if ur unfamiliar with it..for RAM its just enabling XMP or DOCP or however its called in the bios.
For CPU u can use the software of AMD ir Intel, or other software. Just a couple of clicks

pine totem
#

Changé

fierce spindle
#

GPU is not really worth it anymore these days, they are almost at theif limit

vale mulch
vale mulch
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i doubt i would delid

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idek how that shit works

pine totem
vale mulch
#

chinese water torture your fucking cpu with the lid off

fierce spindle
pine totem
vale mulch
#

the actual performance of the a6000 or 6000 ada irl is actually on par or worse than the 4090

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the a6000 has the same vram as the flagship workstation gpu

fierce spindle
vale mulch
#

and they perform more closely to the 3090 even in productivity.

pine totem
vale mulch
#

its literally priced for mega AI corporations

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an meant for only that

fierce spindle
vale mulch
#

its not meant for video editing lmao

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its not even a workstation

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or for productivity tasks

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its literally just for machine learning

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it can still do other things like blender and all that

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just worse

fierce spindle
#

Well yea.. but why u even mention it; its useless to u

vale mulch
#

cause those fuckers from earlier were trying to derail my research by telling me to get one

pine totem
#

Lmao

vale mulch
#

dudes been talking all day and has been normal but has been blocked

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i peak the posts, but its too late for redemption

fierce spindle
vale mulch
#

not all of you

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i was curious about the industrial parts. but now i know its objectively worse

fierce spindle
#

Ur using ur AI on a fricking phone now? Trust me: 4090 is all u need rn if you wanna game too.

vale mulch
#

the reason why no useful benchmarks exist

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is because no one uses the apps its better for

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its basically just for big science ai genetic engineering labs

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relatively cheap if it saves you a day or 2

fierce spindle
#

Thats why we said 2 aystems if you really want optimal scenarios for gaming and productivity (or AI)

vale mulch
#

but i can still do machine learning with the 4090.

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so its whatever

fierce spindle
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In ur case: 4090 is the best atm

vale mulch
#

i wasnt even looking into it until that swarm of people came in here to hype it up

fierce spindle
#

Well, they are right, but not uf you wanna game too

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Should ne seperate machines

vale mulch
#

they arent right

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its not better for productivity either

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i also want to remind people that im not just gaming

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i havent "gamed" in like over a year lmao

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its not like

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i just feel like

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gaming parts with single thread workloads are better for everything

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and the opportunity cost of a productivity part makes you lose out on too much

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because 50 fps is way better than 300 extra samples. or whatever.

fierce spindle
#

Its not a pure gaming machine, but you want the best performance in games and perform decent in workloads/ai.
All those other cards you just can not game on, or you can: but terrible performance or isdues to get them running

vale mulch
#

i dont even think it will be decent

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so far it seems top of the line in productivity

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cpu #4 in productivity not including threadrippers and up.
gpu #1 or #2 in productivity including all gpus in the world.

fierce spindle
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Budget isnt an issue, so 4090 is the only option. Maybe an xtx, but that eould only be if you dont want the best best and better cost/performance

vale mulch
#

no the xtx i looked into

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i was hopeful on it

#

it performs worse to par with the 4080

fierce spindle
#

You are very picky for someone running AI on a phone 😂

vale mulch
#

a huge disappointment on amd gpus but they are closing the gap

pine totem
vale mulch
#

not from what ive seen

pine totem
#

What did you see?

vale mulch
#

the xtx struggles to keep up with the 4080 in what seemed like majority of cases

fierce spindle
#

I have an xtx. I didnt use it thst much yet. But it looks performing better than 4080, a lil worse than 4090

vale mulch
#

but if not. looked to be on par.

tawdry musk
vale mulch
#

the cpu is def 7950x3d but could change last min

#

the gpu is going to be 4090

#

but i dont have the aib selected

tawdry musk
#

Got a 4090 and i like it tbh

vale mulch
#

the mb is gonna match the cpu obviously so either a Z or X board

tawdry musk
#

Ye figured got z790 size i got the i9-13900ks

vale mulch
#

i also heard the mb manufacterers have their own naming scheme on top of the mb chipset manufacterers who have the normal letter number naming scheme

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so i guess asus has prime tuf pro and rog or something

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and rog stands for republic of gamers lmao

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cringe

tawdry musk
#

Got a meg z790 godlike in my system

misty imp
#

aw hell no

#

what the fuck

tawdry musk
misty imp
#

just passing by nothing

vale mulch
#

dissing that rog

#

lmao

tawdry musk
#

I prefer msi motherboard tbh but it opinion

native grove
#

motherboards can be expensive

vale mulch
#

i hear asus mb are ass

tawdry musk
#

That why i got msi

native grove
#

my asus motherboard is pretty decent

vale mulch
#

good but they break

native grove
#

cant complain about it

fierce spindle
#

I try to avoid MSI anything. But I gotto admit... My 3080 is MSI and i had less problems than expected

native grove
#

i prefer msi ui

tawdry musk
tawdry musk
vale mulch
tawdry musk
#

I know the spec i made my research when i build my system

vale mulch
#

the 6000 ada is on the 2nd one

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its just awful

tawdry musk
vale mulch
#

tell that to those fuckers from earlier

austere shale
clear mason
#

Hey guyss...

vale mulch
#

others as in first hand experiences on this discord

tawdry musk
#

My friend also had a lot of problems with his high end asus motherboard

clear mason
#

Rx 6600 xt
Ryzen 5 3600
Ease 550W 80+ Bronze
1tb sata hdd
128gb ssd
B450M

#

Is this pc good

vale mulch
#

but only like 2 -3 people saying stay away from asus in this thread

fierce spindle
#

I stopped watching jtc 2 years ago. He's really not all that great of a reviewer (in my opinion)

clear mason
#

This is my first build .

native grove
#

ive had no rpoblems at all

#

with my asus motherboard

vale mulch
#

but he seems like a nice guy

fierce spindle
#

Im a boomer 😂

native grove
#

i have a b650e with 64gb ddr 6000

vale mulch
#

but just not as good.

tawdry musk
#

😂

native grove
#

thats me being lazy

clear mason
vale mulch
#

from what i hear

tawdry musk
#

Got some ddr5 8000 i am crazy lol

vale mulch
#

i also hear the thicker the pcb the better

native grove
#

well its high end but tomato tomato

tawdry musk
vale mulch
#

ive never met a millenial that could adapt

tawdry musk
#

💀

vale mulch
#

all the millenials i meet try too hard

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but tbh thats prolly the only way

fierce spindle
vale mulch
#

and ill prolly get there eventually for the future people after me

vale mulch
#

very interesting

#

so there is jtc drama lol

native grove
#

i like him

vale mulch
#

you can just tell because he really likes that battleship game

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reminds me of my papa. so i like him

fierce spindle
#

He was one of those guys that went in twitter fights with his audience, blocking, deleting posts, etc.
I'm not even on Twitter but i seen the damages 😂

vale mulch
#

also, people think that 1 - 2 tech youtubers is enough and then new ones dont come

#

but the truth is

#

2 is nothing

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and theres a couple others

#

but people really underestimate

#

how much information can be valued from content created by others

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and how submerging yourself in all of it is still valuable.

#

i would def say LTT is more valuable than jtc tho

native grove
vale mulch
#

at least for me so far as a new pc builder

fierce spindle
#

Yea, u need multiple sources. Watching a lot of smaller channels is definitely better than watching only 1 or 2 giants

vale mulch
#

TY father

#

as a species and as humans we are literally starving for more content from everything.

#

everything has not been done.

clear mason
#

Hey guyss...any suggestions for my build

vale mulch
#

and if it has. then we want it again in 4k

native grove
fierce spindle
vale mulch
#

people shouldnt give up because they see other people already doing it.

#

its just like the horror game community

native grove
#

a fanless itx build would be cool

vale mulch
#

i literally did not enjoy lets plays from other late adopters any less than manlybadasshero

vale mulch
#

i hear itx gets hot

fierce spindle
#

I dont like any letsplays, rather play myself 😂

vale mulch
#

im actually so interested in itx

#

because vanlife and i hear you get the same exact performance

native grove
vale mulch
#

its just smaller

#

and you obviously dont get all the features

#

and the building sucks

#

but i want the smaller

native grove
#

i wish i could have a console sized pc with the power of a 4090

vale mulch
#

and i dont mind the sucky building

#

and i dont mind not having all the features

#

but it depends idk what features i want and dont want

#

i need like a checklist

native grove
#

is there an itx case that can fit a msi 4090?

#

gaming trio

fierce spindle
hot mural
vale mulch
#

lmaoooo the 6000 ada is LITERALLY for data scientists ONLY lmaoo

#

oisjadoisajdoiasjdoa

native grove
#

is someone buying a rtx 6000?

vale mulch
#

the only valuable thing is the number of tensor cores

native grove
#

i wouldnt recommend it

vale mulch
#

tensor cores are for AI

#

a6000?

vale mulch
#

mb is a weird jux to postion because the cpu and gpu are all about speed and performance

#

but the mb is like just pcie speeds and stuff

#

which shouldnt change

native grove
#

the only thing really to worry about is thermals

fierce spindle
#

In most cases ATX is a must to extremely overclock well, but these days im not even sure about that claim either

native grove
#

yea if you worry about extream overclock you wopuld do it on an open bench

fierce spindle
#

Some mobos have less or worse capacitators than others

vale mulch
#

gamer meld is ass right?

#

every video i see is click bait

austere shale
#

They’re more news based

vale mulch
#

the news is like not real tho

fierce spindle
austere shale
#

It’s mostly accurate

#

But I wouldn’t say completely reliable

vale mulch
#

in gamer meld universe

#

the 5090 has been out for 3 months lmao

#

and as a new builder its so tilting

#

because im just like

#

OKAY ILL WAIT THEN

#

but no one is talking about the 5090

fierce spindle
#

You'll definitely wait too long

#

We all been there

vale mulch
#

or any of the new shit that gamer meld just keeps talking about

#

it's like those shitty astronomy videos

#

"the government and NASA just agreed on this new law in space?"

#

like fuck off

fierce spindle
vale mulch
#

i literally had to mark it as not interested

#

im gonna have to list gamer meld as not interested

fierce spindle
#

I never heard of it, so i think u'll be fine without them

vale mulch
#

its official guys

fierce spindle
#

Now I think about it.. its your first build. I heard the Verge has great first build videos 🤓

vale mulch
#

amd is going bankrupt

#

"the 5090 was canceled? nvidia's key mistake"

#

like come the fuck on

vale mulch
fierce spindle
#

It was a joke

vale mulch
#

i liked that german guy

fierce spindle
#

3 year old meme at this point

vale mulch
#

gamer meld is the new meme

#

he's one 6000 away from sounding like an AI voice assistant

fierce spindle
#

The verge made like the worst build video ever. I think the guy even corrected it with Linus in an LTT vid at some point... Well.. every tech channel made a video about it back then 😂

vale mulch
#

lmao

#

like that video of gordan ramsay cooking a grilled cheese

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i just want to know

#

what was he on

fierce spindle
fierce spindle
vale mulch
#

lmao

#

how old are you btw

fierce spindle
#

31

#

No

#

32

vale mulch
#

so tilted

vale mulch
#

millenials are the same tho.

pine totem
vale mulch
#

i think i might have to partially choose the mb so i can move on to ram

#

because idk what features i want or need yet

austere shale
#

You only really have one general choice for ram so you can choose that first

#

That being 2x (any capacity) and no more than 6000mhz

#

All am5 mobos can support that

loud iris
austere shale
fierce spindle
vale mulch
#

i never experienced 911

#

but ik im riding the edge

#

i never saw my family whisper about it

fierce spindle
#

What? The polices phone number in schools? 😂

vale mulch
#

i wasnt in school yet

#

never saw it on the news

#

never saw clips until years later when i was much older and it became a holiday

#

and im 26

#

so

fierce spindle
#

Oh, the towers

#

Yea well, i'm not from the US

vale mulch
#

thats okay

#

depending on where you are from

#

thats better or worse

fierce spindle
#

Way better 😂

vale mulch
#

which country

fierce spindle
#

Belgium

vale mulch
#

thats a good place

#

good people

#

isnt germany better tho

fierce spindle
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My gf is US. So it was ne moving over there or she over here. Was an easy choice to make 😂

vale mulch
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the US is annoying because its divided.

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vale mulch
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kind of

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but not really

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you can quantify it unless you care about a nature set a lot

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but thats a bias

fierce spindle
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In EU we kinda see the US as toddlers with rich parents

vale mulch
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hilarious

fierce spindle
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Like "yea yea, we are listening" but we arent really listening and we dont rly care, yk 😂

vale mulch
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theres a lot of good places to be and i think those places facilitate worldwide growth.

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democrats have the highest GDP so democrat countries outside the US like south korean are good places to live

fierce spindle
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Werent u Philippino?

vale mulch
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yes

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not from the philipines tho.

fierce spindle
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Philippines is good when ur Philippino, but they just rob all the westerners coming over 😂

vale mulch
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my dad is but he's technically not an immigrant

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because he was born on a US naval base

fierce spindle
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Like you cun buy land, but the gov still owns it or how is it? 😂

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Genius tho lol

vale mulch
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he moved to hawaii and then colorado

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came through angel island or something

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he was like 1 tho

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prolly younger

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ik you can buy land on hawaii for really cheap

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but only on big island or BI

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and only bad people live there. i cant say what kind here lol

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vale mulch
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dont tell hawaiians that

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theyll get mad

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imagine being hawaiian and getting suckered into joining the US even though you didnt really want to but now its too late cause japan decides to fucking attack you

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just remember japan killed hawaiians for no reason

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and called them americans

austere shale
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I think this thread needs to be renamed 🤣

vale mulch
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alright so lets do memory next

austere shale
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I rmeber you saying you want as much ram

vale mulch
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yes

austere shale
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So go to filters and do 2x32GB

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And put ram speed maybe 5200-6000

vale mulch
austere shale
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It might be called frequency

vale mulch
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so wait