I am building my first PC ever

[vale mulch]

im guessing probably not industrial reference cards

[turbid elm]

Wdym chipsets

Gpus don’t have chipsets, as far as I know

[vale mulch]

geforce rtx 4090 is the chipset. nvidia makes chipsets. not gpus. but technically they do have a gpu called the founders edition which is their own gpu that they made for their popular chipsets

[vale mulch]

they do

[turbid elm]

I think “gpu” is the actual core, but “graphics card” is the entire component

[heavy wolf]

people just call them gpus lol

[vale mulch]

they partner up with other companies who make gpus and sell their chipset to these partners. the partners are called aibs for "add in board" because they add in the pcb board from nvidia which contains he chipset

[heavy wolf]

since it sounds good with cpus and gpus

[turbid elm]

I know, I’ve never heard them called “chipsets” though lol

[vale mulch]

yes but they are extremely wrong

[heavy wolf]

me either

[heavy wolf]

not neccesarily

[vale mulch]

i wish they didnt cause then i wouldnt have been stuck on gpus for 2 days

[turbid elm]

Oooof

[vale mulch]

the gpu is the housing and the cooler

[heavy wolf]

well most people dont look into it that much

lolo

[vale mulch]

and the chipset too

but dont tell people to just get the 4090 chipset.

[austere shale]

Not this again

[vale mulch]

that's like telling a new driver that green means go when it doesnt

[turbid elm]

What?

[vale mulch]

i am right tho. i have source now too

just took forever

its a misnomer

[austere shale]

Nah we had this talk about chipsets and whatever before

[vale mulch]

yeah when i didnt know

but now ive learned

[vale mulch]

its also listed on pcpp as chipset

[loud iris]

These are servers that are in racks usually, sometimes at your house sometimes in a datacenter

If you're doing a homelab they can be really fun!

also very expensive really quick

You can ship your server off into a datacenter, where it'll recieve the proper internet connection Ddos Protection

[vale mulch]

something like that would be interesting for the distant future

[loud iris]

Or you could try doing it your self in a homelab

[turbid elm]

And cost a boatload of money for them to house it

[loud iris]

Eh, $75-$90 for 1u monthly

Anyway

[vale mulch]

its also like how people call the tower a cpu. but the tower is not a cpu. its a pc.

[loud iris]

CPU stands for central processing unit

which can be your processor it self

but also your PC is technically that too

[vale mulch]

and its only a pc if the hardware is inside. otherwise it is just a case

[loud iris]

eh

a pc can have no case :D

itd just be called a workbench

and itd be jank asf

[vale mulch]

yeah then it gets into weird territory

[loud iris]

Btw, how much of a troll post is this?

[vale mulch]

like what is bread vs cake

[loud iris]

Cake has extra stuff that bread doesnt

[vale mulch]

like none at all.

[loud iris]

Eitherwayy, I suggest getting a custom pc built by someone, if you have the budget too

[heavy wolf]

me too

[vale mulch]

no ik sort of, but i meant the whole meme of the bread vs cake debate

[heavy wolf]

its impossible to go wrong at the top tbh

[vale mulch]

or is water wet

stuff like that

[loud iris]

water isnt wet

[vale mulch]

same thing with cpu vs the tower

and gpu vs the chipset

[loud iris]

The tower isnt really a common word

tbbh

Gpu vs chipset??

[vale mulch]

tower is for boomers

[heavy wolf]

tru

[loud iris]

gpu is technically not correct term

the real term would be graphics card

[vale mulch]

yeah nvidia doesnt make gpus like everyone says they do (they technically have 1 gpu that they make every gen im assuming)

[loud iris]

heh

[vale mulch]

nvidia makes chipsets for gpus

[heavy wolf]

its just easier to say and more simple which is why they do it i assume

[loud iris]

anyway

[vale mulch]

yeah ive noticed it after. and i totally get the reason for doing that now

[loud iris]

Get a xeon for your productivity computer, and, a intel i9 13900k or some radeon cpu

[vale mulch]

but i was SOO LOST before

[loud iris]

CPU can be expensive, from $500-$10k

so whatever you pick your choice with your budget

[vale mulch]

same with going on green for driving

its one of those things you gotta make sure to tell people

[heavy wolf]

i always new the proper term was graphics card

[vale mulch]

i dont wanna be a passenger pc builder

[heavy wolf]

but i didnt know why it was called a gpu

[loud iris]

?

[loud iris]

graphical unit

graphic processsing unit

[heavy wolf]

i know now tho xd

[vale mulch]

like have everyone choose my parts and then tell me to shut up itll be okay cause it can run cyberpunk on max settings

[heavy wolf]

no one ever told you to shut up. if they did then just ignore them

[vale mulch]

they did

[loud iris]

just goto starforge, and buy the most expensive pc

[vale mulch]

but not you people

[heavy wolf]

if you wanna learn everything abt pcs u can then go right ahead, not a bad idea

[vale mulch]

most of the people in here now are great

[loud iris]

Yep

[vale mulch]

and i like the pcpp links people send i just meant when people were trying to force me into picking a part without explaination or no sources or anything

[loud iris]

do you want to builld it your self?

if not, i suggest just going to starforge and buying voyager creator elite

[vale mulch]

yeah. im too deep for a prebuild and i dont want to spend money on having a pc building company build it for me with custom parts and custom cosmetics

[loud iris]

What?

Most pc building companies dont use custom parts

starforge uses consumer hardware, you can buy

even the case

but your wish

hf

[vale mulch]

well i dont wannt pay for labor

im right here

[heavy wolf]

its not that much

[loud iris]

Thought your budget was $20k

[heavy wolf]

sure its a ewo but

[loud iris]

Wont spend $200?

[vale mulch]

oh how much is it

[loud iris]

prob less than $200

maybe $100

[heavy wolf]

thats on the high end

[loud iris]

watercooling takes a bit to do

[vale mulch]

i still dont really want like custom cosmetics

[loud iris]

Wdym?

the sticker?

[vale mulch]

like im kind of okay with just a black case

[lone dome]

Congrats on the 6000 message long thread

[vale mulch]

but i might do a pink case or find something

[loud iris]

too early, wait for 800 moore

[heavy wolf]

get a white case with pink lights

itll look awesome

[lone dome]

you're right

[loud iris]

or just rgbw lights

[turbid elm]

Yeah that’s a lot

[heavy wolf]

rgb to turn to pink is what i meant

[loud iris]

Not really, but whatever

[vale mulch]

i will prolly do this

[loud iris]

You can always just paint your case

[heavy wolf]

i wanted a yellow setup so i got a white case with rgb lights then i made it yellow

[vale mulch]

are stickers allowed

[loud iris]

?

[heavy wolf]

then you cant change it after tho

[loud iris]

You can paint it again

[vale mulch]

i havent really gotten into cosmetics yet

[heavy wolf]

a lotta effort

[loud iris]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

hire someone

to do it

[vale mulch]

change it to what

[heavy wolf]

plus with pink i think itd look better to also have white iin there

if its just pink case then itd look odd IMO

and the lights will make the case somewhat blue looking anyways

[vale mulch]

what kind of paint do you use

[heavy wolf]

i dont use pain

t

[loud iris]

ask linus he'd know

[heavy wolf]

its pointless imo

[loud iris]

With your budget, you could technicalyyy get Linus to build your PC

[vale mulch]

is it even possible to ask linus a question lol

[heavy wolf]

[vale mulch]

that sounds so fun

[loud iris]

yeah

[vale mulch]

is he even on the server

[loud iris]

yeah

[vale mulch]

whats his name without mentioning him

[heavy wolf]

i forgor

[vale mulch]

why blue lol

[heavy wolf]

i like blue

its hot

lol

[vale mulch]

custom pcs are cool, but yeah i might consider the $100 or $200 fee for having someone build it. but i might just build it myself. if i dont build it myself what am i gonna do in the future when i need to change out a part.

[vale mulch]

oh i meant how would it turn blue if the case is white and pink

[loud iris]

You're gonna change the part?

you take the old one out

then you put the new one in

[heavy wolf]

thats why i wouldnt buy a pink case

its not really possible lol

[vale mulch]

i havent seen a relavent cpu above $1000

[heavy wolf]

its possible but it wont look great

[loud iris]

There are tons, just look

[vale mulch]

sorry im lost

ive already done research on cpus

even the ones above 1k on pcpp are just threadrippers

and then after that theres just industrial cpus

[vale mulch]

why would the pink look blue

how is that even possible

[heavy wolf]

BRUH???

whered u get that from lol

[vale mulch]

am i losing my mind lol

[heavy wolf]

i think so

or you dont have enough context

[vale mulch]

plus with pink i think itd look better to also have white iin there
if its just pink case then itd look odd IMO
and the lights will make the case somewhat blue looking anyways

[heavy wolf]

maybe both?? idk i would if i spent this much on learning about pcs

[vale mulch]

this is what i read

[heavy wolf]

the first 2 lines are seperate from the last line

they have different contexts

[vale mulch]

ohh

[heavy wolf]

so

basically

plus with pink i think itd look better to also have white iin there
if its just pink case then itd look odd IMO

so thats why i wouldnt buy a pink case

and

you can make a WHITE case pink looking anyways

with lights

for example, with my setup, my case looks blue because of my rgb lights

but the fact that its a white case makes it not look too blue

so if you want a pink setup then just buy a pink case and get rgb lights. then change them to pink in your software

[rose pollen]

or a black case with pink lights

[heavy wolf]

i dont like the look of black cases personally

[rose pollen]

alone they look kinda mid but with any color they look cool

[heavy wolf]

unless your going for a redish pink i think white would look better

its up to dream

[rose pollen]

for white a cherry blossom pink would be best

[vale mulch]

i saw one girl post her build on youtube so i might just do what shes doing

for cosmetics

[rose pollen]

just do whatever you want, your budget should be good

[vale mulch]

i am on motherboard now tho

[rose pollen]

have you decided on cpu?

[heavy wolf]

tbh a light pink painted case would work IF you never wanna switch to a different color

[heavy wolf]

yeah he did

and gpu (mostly)

[rose pollen]

which

sorry I’m a little late to post

[vale mulch]

she* btw my name is kassy

[heavy wolf]

shit i keep on forgetting

so sorry

[vale mulch]

its okay lol

[heavy wolf]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08C74694Z?th=1

this is my case

with pink lights it looks good

ill send a pic if u want

[vale mulch]

okii

[heavy wolf]

lemme change the colors rq and bg

[vale mulch]

what does DIMM mean

what does it stand for

[heavy wolf]

look on google

[rose pollen]

a white h9 flow would be cool

with pink rgb fans

[vale mulch]

it takes me a long time to open a new tab

which is why i ask here

[rose pollen]

I think its another name for ram stick

but idk

[heavy wolf]

For some reason everything looks purple. But it looks a bit more pink then that lol. I think it looks nice irl

[vale mulch]

looks greeat

what is IO

is that the gpu connector plate

[heavy wolf]

the picture is so blurry wtf

weird

oh well

[rose pollen]

Are you using a 280mm aio? I’m getting that case but In black

I’m worried the 240mm won’t fit with the ram

[heavy wolf]

it should

[rose pollen]

I’m getting that exact set but the ddr5 edition

[vale mulch]

this is how you do it

[heavy wolf]

good solution

[vale mulch]

Whether you’re planning on buying a premium gaming motherboard or are looking to snatch a good price on a clean-looking, business-branded model,

what's a gaming motherboard? lol

[heavy wolf]

no idea

[vale mulch]

vs a business branded model

[heavy wolf]

think theyre just tryna hype something up

probably not a thing

[vale mulch]

its in this article im reading

[heavy wolf]

yeah i have no idea what any of that means XD

like i said im not a mobo person at all

[vale mulch]

its okii

[turbid elm]

marketing

[heavy wolf]

thats what i was thinking

[vale mulch]

theres not gaming and productivity motherboards are there?

[heavy wolf]

no not rlly

[turbid elm]

thats basically all it is. that, and rgb (because for some ass reason, only "gamers" should have rgb

[heavy wolf]

im pretty sure i bought this ram? honestly i forget sometimes

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CMW32GX4M2C3200C16-Vengeance-PC4-25600-Desktop/dp/B07GTG2T7L?th=1

i spent way more then i shouldve

lolol

it was on sale if i remember tho

couldve saved like 10 bucks on a cheaper one but it looks cool sooo yeah

[vale mulch]

are aios the same as hybrid

do gpus go inside expansion slots?

why can atx only support 4 gpus and not 7?

oh pci and pcie are different

[tawdry musk]

Ye

[vale mulch]

they are not the same ports

pci is an older version of pcie

[tawdry musk]

Yep

[vale mulch]

ughh

what is an APU?

[proud rapids]

a cpu with intergrated graphics

[vale mulch]

so then whats this

is an apu only an amd cpu with ig

[trim barn]

ahh the dick rocket

will always refer to starforge as that now

[loud iris]

intel has it, just called smt else

[night jasper]

If you want complete baller you might as well go with rtx 6000 Ada

[vale mulch]

oh okay

[vale mulch]

what is a6000

[night jasper]

Nvidia workstation gpu

But also cracked for gaming

Same architecture as 4090 i think

[trim barn]

iirc that card uses studio drivers or can it use both forgot

[night jasper]

It can game

[trim barn]

yea that I know curious if you can load gaming drivers on it but I would assume yes

since I run studio drivers on my 3070 lol

[night jasper]

Ye i run studio drivers as well on my 6950xt to game

More stable

Doesnt matter it doesnt have gaming drivers

[trim barn]

Lol me laughing when people have issues with nvidia gaming ready driver in MSFS2020 and go complain on the forums

I have had no issues with that sim on studio so far

[night jasper]

Sorry i mean rtx 6000 Ada not a6000

A6000 previous gen

[vale mulch]

thats a gpu

[night jasper]

Yea?

Ofc it is

[vale mulch]

i already decided on the 4090

[night jasper]

Ah alr

I mean if you havent bought it yet rtx 6000 Ada would prob better in almost every way if you dont care about price

More cores of everything, same ad102 as 4090

[vale mulch]

ive never even heard of these

[night jasper]

Yea cause its not normally used for gaming

It’s a workstation gpu

[loud iris]

Well you just did

[vale mulch]

oh so its like an industrial gpu

[night jasper]

And it can also game, prob same or better than 4090

Search it up

[vale mulch]

like the industrial cpus

[night jasper]

It’s on nvidia website

If you want to call it that yea

[vale mulch]

its not on pcpp

[loud iris]

not really

just for people who have the budget for it :D

[trim barn]

deep pockets

[loud iris]

Id love to buy 1, to run stable diffusion on it

[night jasper]

Yea most people who use pc part picker wouldnt exactly splash 10k on a gpu

[loud iris]

if you buy it, you can use all the new Ai stuff tho!

[night jasper]

It’s on nvidia website and you can search it up easily

[vale mulch]

i posted this before

and people just told me these suck

[night jasper]

It shows the a6000 which is previous gen

[vale mulch]

just like threadrippers

[loud iris]

https://store.nvidia.com/en-us/nvidia-rtx/store/?page=1&limit=9&locale=en-us

[night jasper]

^

[vale mulch]

like. who's previous gen

[loud iris]

nvidia

[vale mulch]

i thought nvidia last gen was 3000s series

[night jasper]

Oh i see what you got confused

The 1000 to 4000 are GeForce graphics card lineup

And yes 3000 series is previous gen for gaming gpus (GeForce)

A6000 is previous gen for workstations

Rtx 6000 Ada is current gen for workstations, and it uses the same ad102 as 4090, except 4090 have a more stripped down version of it

[vale mulch]

how do these workstation gpus work

like what was before a6000

[night jasper]

Quadros i think

[vale mulch]

and do they only release one chipset for each workstation gen?

[loud iris]

quadros is the deprecated name

its the old boys

[loud iris]

Ran a quadro for so long, loved mine to death :D

[vale mulch]

like this gen we have 4090, 4080, 4070, 4070ti, 4060 etc

[night jasper]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/design-visualization/rtx-6000/

[vale mulch]

but for workstation gpus is ada the only one this gen?

and is a6000 the only one for last gen

[night jasper]

No there was a5000 as well

I need to check for this gen

[vale mulch]

okayy but usually way less. so its like 1 - 3

[night jasper]

For this gen theres also rtx 4000 sff Ada

But rtx 6000 Ada is flagship

[vale mulch]

oh okay

how does the naming work

rtx like always but

what is a / no a

and what is ada

[loud iris]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[night jasper]

Ada Lovelace is the code name for the architecture

4000 series also use Ada

[vale mulch]

okay

[night jasper]

Just naming

What does xt 7900xt mean?

No clue

[vale mulch]

yeah but this gen has no a

[night jasper]

True

[loud iris]

its not really a gen

[vale mulch]

7900xt is the discount version of xtx

[loud iris]

thats an amd card

[night jasper]

Idk man this is just naming scheme

[loud iris]

we're talking about nvidia

[vale mulch]

yeah

[loud iris]

Nvidia = not amd

[vale mulch]

you brought up amd

[night jasper]

Just a example

[loud iris]

Yk odd, you have such a big budget

but not a good laptop

nor Nitro

[vale mulch]

and im just explaining it

[loud iris]

Have you considered buying a framework laptop?

https://frame.work/

[vale mulch]

i think there was a reason they do xtx but i cant remember

[night jasper]

Framework laptops rn are overpriced

[loud iris]

not really

They're priced decently

and competively

[night jasper]

Not if you compare to other non modular ones

[loud iris]

uhm

[night jasper]

Also 4090 mobile:

[loud iris]

thats the whole point of buying a framework

:D

plus compare it to amac book

[night jasper]

Fair

[vale mulch]

this isnt my main account

but i have a guy who buys me nitro

[night jasper]

But yea dream if you have unlimited budget theres no reason not to go with rtx 6000 Ada

Literally 4090 but better

[loud iris]

Yeah now ofc, if you have a budget

then go with 4090

[vale mulch]

this is not what i was told by literally everyone else

[night jasper]

What did they say?

[loud iris]

They referred to consumer hardware

You technicallyyyy dont need A6000 is overkill asf

but its also very performant

like wayy faster than 4090

[night jasper]

Rtx 6000 ada*

[loud iris]

yea

[night jasper]

I mean if you compare the value of 4090 vs rtx 6000 ada no shit 4090 will be better

At least for non ai

[vale mulch]

that there are gaming and productivity cpus and most of the high end productivity cpus are industrial.

and that gpus are the exact same way. so there are gaming gpus and productivity gpus, and most of the high end productivity gpus are industrial

[night jasper]

Yes but theres a difference, server cpus are bad for gaming because they have a million cores but each core have lower clocks

[vale mulch]

so like for cpus some threadrippers are consumer but most of the threadripper pros and xeons and epycs are industrial

[loud iris]

these arent cpus mate

these are gpus

actually technically a graphics card

[vale mulch]

yeah ik

are gpus and graphics cards not the same thing?

these arent even gpus really. these are all chipsets.

[night jasper]

Not really

[vale mulch]

no they are

[night jasper]

Gpu are the boards

Like the actual thing

Graphics card is gpu + cooler

[vale mulch]

gpu is the housing and cooling

[night jasper]

You got it opposite

[loud iris]

no

[night jasper]

Gpu is the actual board

[loud iris]

graphics card = full thing GPU is graphical processing unit

[vale mulch]

the 4090 is the chipset

or the 7900xt

or a6000

or 6000 ada those are all chipsets

[loud iris]

people dont really call them chipsets

[vale mulch]

not gpus

[loud iris]

We call them Graphic cards

[vale mulch]

it's just the chipset on the gpu

are you saying the pcb for the graphics card is the same thing as the gpu chipset?

[loud iris]

. A chipset refers to a group of electronic components in an integrated circuit that manages the data flow between the processor, memory, and peripherals. It is usually found on the motherboard of a computer.

[vale mulch]

or are you saying the pcb for the graphics card is the same thing as the whole gpu

[vale mulch]

that's for the motherboard, you looked it up on google

this is not the case with gpus

[night jasper]

Legit better in almost every way or same, base clock doesnt matter since it’ll boost during gaming

[vale mulch]

geforce 4090 = a chipset

not a gpu

[loud iris]

What are you saying

explain

how its not a gpu

[vale mulch]

the gpu is the housing and the cooling.

nvidia doesnt make gpus. they make chipsets

[night jasper]

Well they do make founder editions

[vale mulch]

yeah they have that

[night jasper]

And they ship the entire board

[vale mulch]

which ive already talked about on this thread

[loud iris]

source?

[vale mulch]

i dont have a source right now

[night jasper]

Well this is getting off topic

But rtx 6000 ada is legit better if u have no budget

[loud iris]

Tbf i dont really get dream

they dont want someone else to build there computer

They also dont have a budget

but dont want to spend on a boutique place to build it

They don't want to use workstation hardware

[vale mulch]

i already told you i might consider someone else to build it for me

but no im not interested in a custom pc

[night jasper]

Wdym by ur not interested in a custom pc

Building ur own pc is a custom one

[vale mulch]

no no

we were talking earlier

about prebuilt pcs

and i said i didnt want a prebuilt

[night jasper]

Ah

[loud iris]

you can also get someone to custom build it

Tho if you want to build it yourself that is good tooo

ig

Dealing with watercooling on this expensive hardware, for your first time is a bit risky imo

and will take several Hours to build

basically legos, except if you mess up could lose $20k

[vale mulch]

and then they talked about how you can hire a pc building team to build it for you. and usually those services offer a fully customizeable service with colors and mostly cosmetics or aesthetics but also the labor that goes into getting it built for you

so i called them custom pcs idk what you would call them

[night jasper]

Thats literally every single si

[vale mulch]

cause they were calling those prebuilt pcs too. and those are not prebuilt pcs. they just end up being prebuilt for you

[night jasper]

Thats the entire definition?

A computer thats already been built thats shipped to you?

[loud iris]

Prebuilt

🤯

[night jasper]

Pre built

PRE

BEFORE

[vale mulch]

no the prebuilt pcs aree those ones that you can buy at the store in retail

[night jasper]

????????????

[vale mulch]

ik what a prebuilt pc is

[loud iris]

?

those are also a type of prebuilt pc

prebuilt is anything

that was built

[night jasper]

So maingear, digital storm, hell even dell pc you order online arent prebuilt

[vale mulch]

that's not what you would call those full on 15k pcs that you have pc builders build for you

[loud iris]

that is exactly what you call them

PreBuilt

[vale mulch]

if they arent called custom pcs then they arent called prebuilt pcs either

[night jasper]

Prebuilt pc definition are computers that has already been fully built

Thats where the name come from

[vale mulch]

prebuilt pcs are usually cheaper

[loud iris]

not really

also what are you on

[vale mulch]

like you can get a whole prebuilt pc from walmart

[loud iris]

x-x

[night jasper]

Walmart

[loud iris]

You can get Ram from wallmart

dont buy ram

You can get an ssd from wallmart

dont buy an ssd

[night jasper]

Yea cause they sell lower end hardware

[loud iris]

your logic aint logicking

[night jasper]

Most of the time

[vale mulch]

i already know im right. idk what to tell you guys

[night jasper]

💀

Why wouldnt you want a “custom” pc

If you have unlimited budget

[vale mulch]

anyway, yeah im not interested in the following experiences.

1. the one where you buy an already made pc from walmart. they usually have shitty parts, but some of them are kind of okay. but typically they are mid range pcs.

2. the one where you hire a pc building team to make you a pc. they usually charge a lot more and im not really interested in a special one of a kind pc like the pyramid case pc that LTT built or any other one of a kind pc like the 100k LTT super water cooled desk pc that was made out of solid aluminum.

ive already made it clear

[loud iris]

okayy how does this look?

[vale mulch]

the pcs that come out of option 1, usually have decent parts and they seem cheap cause it's cost only like 1k for a whole pc, but its not worth it cause you can get better parts for cheaper if you build it yourself

[night jasper]

Just cause its built for you doesnt mean it have some crazy custom case that cost a crap ton of money for look

[loud iris]

how does this one look dream?

[vale mulch]

and im not okay with the 2nd experience because i dont want to spend a whole bunch of money on aesthetics. idc how it looks. its my first pc. the only service i am interested in is having someone else build it for me because idk how to build and i can easily afford $200 for a pc building team to just assemble it for me.

[loud iris]

https://maingear.com/maingear-pro-workstations/

[night jasper]

How about this

Your not wasting money on aesthetics

[vale mulch]

youre gonna sit here and tell me its like the 2nd experience. that this was built by a pc building team. it looks nice. it looks whatever. idc. its not something im interested in.

[loud iris]

Wdym looks nice?

you want them too intentionally make it look bad?

XD

Like any pc thats watercooled would look lik ethat

x-x

[night jasper]

Honestly i think this person is just trolling rn

[loud iris]

he is

[night jasper]

And not actually have a unlimited budget

[loud iris]

she is*

i alrdy know 🤣

They dont even have Nitro :/

claim to be rich in there first dm

[night jasper]

Bro wants to build his own pc despite having unlimited budget, doesnt know workstations exist, think prebuilt pcs are only those from where you buy from physical stores, believes nvidia doesnt make gpus (??????)

[loud iris]

pretty funny 🤣

Ive been just here, for the memes personally

Anyway @vale mulch , you prob shouldnt waste peoples time like this

could lead to ban

[vale mulch]

i have nitro on my main discord account

[night jasper]

Theres a difference from having unlimited budget on pc and giving a company 10 dollars a month

[vale mulch]

okay yeah im convinced whatever this is

its just something to do with that guy from earlier

[loud iris]

Why arent you on your main

Whatcha hiding?

Ban evasion?

<@&750150305383186585>

[vale mulch]

i dont have any other accounts on this server.

[loud iris]

Because they are banned?

[night jasper]

Than just join this server on ur main?????

[vale mulch]

servers usually only allow one account

[night jasper]

no?

Than just use ur main??

[loud iris]

leaveon this acc, join on main

[vale mulch]

discord ToS allows you to have up to 2 accounts

[loud iris]

Where does it say that in ToS?

[night jasper]

Wow i just wasted an hour of my life just like that lol

[vale mulch]

but just because something is allowed in the discord ToS it doesnt mean it's allowed here in this server

most servers only allow 1 account

[loud iris]

You didnt think it was a troll? sad

[loud iris]

thats only for ban evasion reasons

[vale mulch]

look im pretty sure both of you are the same account

[loud iris]

if you aren't banned, just join on your main.

[vale mulch]

and that both of you are probably related to that guy from earlier

[loud iris]

<@&750150305383186585> he's also shitposting now

and ban evading

[vale mulch]

and a lot of these accounts are in tech chat 1 and i actually dont want those kinds of people in here

[night jasper]

Yea we totally the same person talking over each other at the same time and staging debates

Fr

[loud iris]

Yep.

Got nothing better to do in life 🤣

[vale mulch]

i mean yeah thats exactly what i think

[night jasper]

Ok yea def a troll

[loud iris]

Than to annoy a fake 13 year old, tryna pretend to be a rich girl

[vale mulch]

its like you only came in here to derail the thread

[night jasper]

I came here

To suggest

[loud iris]

derail the thread?

[night jasper]

A better graphics card

[loud iris]

there isnt a thread here to derail

[night jasper]

And you started talking abou all these other unrelated shit

[loud iris]

Proof, that you are not trolling.

Proof, that you arent banned on your main

You wont now?

Oh.

[vale mulch]

idek know why people think im trolling

[loud iris]

you are trolling thats why

[night jasper]

^

[vale mulch]

and i just wish the normal people come back

[loud iris]

He aint have unlimited budget

He litterly is using a 8 year old laptop x-x

[night jasper]

and also thinking were somehow the same person

[loud iris]

If we were same person, why would @night jasper be on mobile

and id be oon a computer

[vale mulch]

my budget isnt unlimited. it's 1.5 - 20k

[loud iris]

I dont even think you have 1.15k

1.5k*

[night jasper]

Might as well be

Unless your planning to buy a literal server

[vale mulch]

i usually dont care if people assume im a guy online because of the subject material being computers which has always been unwelcoming to women. but that cant be allowed either when you both know

[loud iris]

Stop derailing this conversation

We used He as a gender netural way to refer to you, just something people do out of habit

Answer what we asked

[vale mulch]

that makes no sense

[loud iris]

Then we'll talk about pronouns

Answer.

Stop derailing

[vale mulch]

im p sure this would violate transgender rules on the server.

[loud iris]

Are you transgender?

[vale mulch]

and im not even transgender

[loud iris]

Then why are you talking about transgender rule

Stop derailing conversation as I said before

[vale mulch]

cause like you still shouldnt call people he

[loud iris]

I didnt mean too as I said

[vale mulch]

like when i play league im used to it

[tribal stirrup]

Can we all simmer down please.

[loud iris]

Tell them to stop derailing the convo

[vale mulch]

but you literally know im a girl

[loud iris]

They keep trying to find soome excuse out to get newer people to get stuck into the convo

[vale mulch]

what?

[loud iris]

I'll answer your pronoun questions, after, you address our qustions.

[night jasper]

She/they legit not even here to get advice on a new pc, they’re just trolling and wasting time

[vale mulch]

idek what you asked

[loud iris]

Scroll up.

[austere shale]

Bruh just talk about the bloody computer

[night jasper]

She keep on derailing the conversation

And she’s trolling

[vale mulch]

idc about pronouns but its annoying when you keep saying he

[loud iris]

or he/her/they/them/it

[night jasper]

it 💀

[loud iris]

cant be sure nowadays

[vale mulch]

wtf

thats not allowed

[loud iris]

Whats not allowed?

My pronouns are IT

thats not allowed?

[vale mulch]

im not trans but i am still an ally

[loud iris]

I never said you were trans

[night jasper]

How the fuck

Does that relate to being trans

[loud iris]

tryna derail again?

Answer the question.

[vale mulch]

ik but you cant just disrespect trans people in front of cis people

[night jasper]

Never did?

[loud iris]

@tribal stirrup If you're going to warn me, for harrassing etc. you can loook at previous dms, I even corrected people of there pronouns. They're just a very obvious troll

[vale mulch]

im not trolling.

[loud iris]

Who is disrespecting trans?

[loud iris]

Proof?

Werent you also ban evading?

[vale mulch]

im currently trying to pick a motherboard. and get my questions answered

[loud iris]

No you're not

[night jasper]

You never ever asked about motherboard for the previous hour?

[loud iris]

You're talking about genders

Stop derailing

[vale mulch]

im not ban evading. why would i get ban

[loud iris]

Idk, why would you get ban?

Trolling?

[night jasper]

But yea mods if your watching just look through this conversation and it becomes very obvious she’s a troll

[loud iris]

Why are you on your second account then?

(•ิ_•ิ)?

[tribal stirrup]

You are welcome to block anyone you like . Please leave the moderating to us.

[austere shale]

Asus and MSI make some nice boards. Asus tends to be more popular. But these days it’s easy to overspend on a mobo as they’ve become really expensive for some reason

[proud rapids]

with how long this has been open the pc parts should be done

[rose pollen]

honestly

[loud iris]

There budget is $20k

[vale mulch]

well they arent

im sorry ig?

[austere shale]

I know

[loud iris]

any mobo under $200 is cheap

[rose pollen]

ur good

[loud iris]

They had a mini rant on why nvidia doesnt sell GPUs but Chipsets

[rose pollen]

just because they have a high budget doesn’t mean they should spend all of it

[loud iris]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

There words not mine

they dont care if its tiny improvement

as long as its an improvement

[rose pollen]

do they want a maxed out pc?

[night jasper]

They dont

It’s an alt acc

[loud iris]

They want a maxed out pc, but they don't want it to be prebuilt as prebuilts are cheap. They want it to be pink, they also want to use it for productivity and gaming

[austere shale]

She also wants it to be decent value

[rose pollen]

prebuilts aren’t cheap always there is build fee

custom is always better imo

unless no time at all to build or research

[proud rapids]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nv3Qz6

done perfect build

[loud iris]

There word not mine again

They said prebuilt pcs are cheap, and bought at walmart

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[night jasper]

Don’t waste your time on this thread like i did, she doesnt actually want a pc and just trolling

[rose pollen]

that can cool that cpu?

[loud iris]

id add waterblock

[rose pollen]

also change case to white

[austere shale]

You probs need a 420mm rad

And she’s not going to custom watervool for her first build

But that’s for later

[rose pollen]

420 can’t come close to fitting in that case

[austere shale]

Which is why she needs a 7000d or something

[loud iris]

@vale mulch smt like that might be decent
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZkKvz7

[austere shale]

Don’t make lists with old hardware

She’s already decided on what cpu and gpu she wants

[rose pollen]

3090 for 2k 💀

[proud rapids]

i have 3080 for 1080p

but mind you also 240hz

[rose pollen]

bruh I meant $2k

[austere shale]

Ram isn’t great either, or storage, while there’s an expensive mobo

[rose pollen]

also just get 4090 at that point lol 3090 isn’t worth $2k

[austere shale]

Nah trolling

Filled the budget with useless stuff

Speakers strimmers a portable ssd iPhone case

Bruh

[loud iris]

I didnt make it, just saw 1 that was pink and white which is what theey wanted, and, clicked

[heavy wolf]

yeah @vale mulch why are you using a second acc?
\

[vale mulch]

okay so if an atx mb has 7 pcie slots that doesnt mean it can connect 7 gpus

and from what i am reading its because the gpus are so thick that it basically plugs into 1 pcie slot but it might cover up a 2nd pcie slot which would make it inaccessible.

so 7/2 = 3.5. but you cant have half a pcie slot, so it comes out to 4 gpus max for the motherboard

is this right?

and that gpus actually already get power from the mb, but pcie slots only supply 75W so you have to plug the gpu into the power supply directly as well? is that right

[austere shale]

May I ask why you need more than one pcie expansion slot

[vale mulch]

well idk yet lol

everyone keeps telling me about how wonderful they are

like all these devices you can put into them

but like what are they for

what are the options

im reading this article an i think its about to get into some options

but atx has 7 anyway

the only mb with one is itx

[vale mulch]

no offense but since i answered your question. can you answer mine?

[austere shale]

K

I don’t see questions unless you @ me

But I don’t see you needing anymore than 2 slots

One being for your gpu

The other being for a potential second gpu or something like a network card WiFi card or something

You’ll probs only need 1

Most mobos come with WiFi and Ethernet these days and everything you need so for modern systems pcie expansion slots aren’t really needed apart from your gpu

It’s also possible to get cards that allow you to put more m.2 ssds on it but again the latest motherboards tend to have 3 or more m.2 slots so you probably won’t need it

[vale mulch]

i just want to know if im right about these cause i am partially guessing based off what i read in this guide

[austere shale]

Oh yes

Basically all gpus apart form the really low end ones need to be connected to the psu with extra cables

[vale mulch]

ohh okay

[vale mulch]

and then what about this one

[austere shale]

Chances are if you’re going rtx4000 it will need a 12+4 pin connector which will come with your gpu and maybe with your psu as well

[austere shale]

Generally yes

But not many mobos even have more than 2 16x slots

[vale mulch]

it says that all atx boards support about 4 gpus

[austere shale]

Yes and no(it’s a bit complicated) but it’s up to the manufacturer how many slots they put on their motherboard

[vale mulch]

but i heard from here that gpus plug into pcie

[austere shale]

Yes

[fierce spindle]

I didnt read everything. But why are we talking multiple gpu's on a mobo? I sure hope ur not debating having a multiple gpi setup? 😂

[vale mulch]

no im not. just trying to get through this guide

[austere shale]

I don’t think she will

[fierce spindle]

Oh ok ok

[vale mulch]

cause it turns out the mb determines a lot

and thats something people usually gloss over ig

[austere shale]

To an extent but not really these days

[fierce spindle]

Most modern mobos have only 1 slot for gpu's

Using all lanes

[austere shale]

You mean full speed

[fierce spindle]

Well yes

[austere shale]

Because most only have 1 16x 5.0

And rest are 4.0

But I guess they have 5.0 m.2 slots too

[fierce spindle]

Yea. More and more these days

They all started with just the one

But now they have like 3 5.0 m.2

[vale mulch]

it determines the size which determines which case you can choose
it determines the expansions slots which are pcie right now which determine the number of gpus you can plug in which ig doesnt matter. but it also determines your expansion options which idk yet all the options but skimming tells me things like network card. sound cards.
it also determines ram slots which determines your ram

[austere shale]

Yeah

That’s pretty much correct

If you’re going Ryzen then whether your board has 2 or 4 ram slots doesn’t matter because you can only use 2 sticks(for stability)

Obvs you can’t put a bigger board than the case supports, but many cases for larger boards are compatible with smaller boards such as matx and mitx

[vale mulch]

im still looking into these features cause form factor also determines all these extra features i want to know about that i dont know about

[vale mulch]

so using 4 ram slots is actually that bad??

[austere shale]

You can’t go wrong with ATX so that’s probs your best choice

[vale mulch]

ive heard a lot of back and forth on that

[austere shale]

Yes as it’s ryzen’s first generation of cpus that support ddr5 and having 4 dimms is quite unstable, even if you can get it stables you won’t be able to run it at high speeds

[vale mulch]

so someone told me ram is the same thing as dimm and dimm slots just mean ram slots.

but when i was reading i stumbled upon some info that implied that dimm is just the type of ram or something and that there was something else before

[austere shale]

Yeah don’t worry about the names

They’re all the same thing when talking about pcs these days

I guess you can say dimm = individual ram stick

[vale mulch]

i wonder why include dual channel if it never works

[austere shale]

I guess it’s because it isn’t that expensive and it allows ram manufacturers to test their ram with 4 sticks

*Not expensive to add 2 extra slots

[vale mulch]

true but why not just have a3 and a4 in solo channel mode

and just get rid of b1 and b2

[austere shale]

You mean a1 and a2?

[vale mulch]

i mean why not just have a1 a2 a3 a4

instead of a1 b1 a2 b2

[austere shale]

I guess because then it’s running single channel, in which case everyone would rather get 2 high capacity sticks and populate half the slots to take advantage of speed and bandwidth

[austere shale]

But this has been standardised

[vale mulch]

oh cause it also matters which is closest

[austere shale]

It would be like replacing USB C ports again with something like USB D

[vale mulch]

what does the ram connect to

[austere shale]

Sort of

[austere shale]

Ram slots which are directly to the right of the cpu socket

[vale mulch]

and then what does the ram slots feed into

[austere shale]

The traces on the motherboard?

Which go to the cpu

[vale mulch]

oh i meant the info

[austere shale]

And have access to storage

[vale mulch]

like the 101010101

[austere shale]

To and from your cpu and storage

[vale mulch]

so like it starts in cpu and then goes to ram and then storage or the opposite way

[austere shale]

Good question

I’m not sure

[vale mulch]

thats okii

[austere shale]

But I’d assume from the other way

[vale mulch]

this is what confused me earlier about ram

the graph is making sure to list the ram type as dimm

[austere shale]

The slots part?

Oh

[vale mulch]

but i thought ram was dimm

but it seems like dimm is just the type of ram and i guess weve been using dimm for a very long time

[austere shale]

It’s just the “type” of ram

Yes

I mean

[vale mulch]

to the point its become like bandaid and bandaid

[austere shale]

There’s so-dimms

But that’s for laptops

So irrelevant

[austere shale]

But yes

[vale mulch]

so laptops have "so-dimms"

[austere shale]

Yes

[vale mulch]

do you know what came before dimms for desktop pcs

[austere shale]

Unless you buy the acer predator 21x (for context the best gaming laptop like 5 years ago with full desktop gpus in sli)

[vale mulch]

my laptop is working better again

[austere shale]

I think like simms

[vale mulch]

i had to clean it out p bad

[austere shale]

Because it stand for dual inline something something

[austere shale]

When did you last clean

[vale mulch]

i think you are right. thank you

[vale mulch]

i dont remember

my laptop is still ass but i finally found my cord so that i can read articles on speaker

[austere shale]

Nice

[vale mulch]

it helps me stay focused cause i actually just can't read for 14 hours straight

ive been sitting here this whole time doing this.

each day i do one of these. i get p far.

[austere shale]

Remind me how much you knew about pcs before this

[vale mulch]

nothing.

[austere shale]

G

[vale mulch]

this is where i was 15 days ago

i didnt even know how to use pcpp

lmao

now i actually somewhat understand what my friend was saying about vrm

the only thing i knew was about laptop cpus in 2015. and i was really happy my i7 had 4 cores with 2.7 ghz

oh and ram. i was happy about 8 gb ram

i remember when 4 gb ram was "overkill"

but tbh i still dont know much about ram except the small hints from today

ik info travels to the ram and that its like temp storage so to not get it confused with normal storage. they call it memory cause it can be forgotten basically.

i knew the slot was called a dimm slot but i didnt know it was called a dimm. and now i know that simm came before and dimm/ simm and all that must be the architecture or something

i knew the one thing is called DDR something, but that's from over the years. so like i have vague memories of people raving about ddr3 and stuff like that. but i do know now that we are on ddr5

thats why im so careful. what's overkill today, is going to be low end in 8 years.

the reason i never bothered with a desktop is cause my laptop literally used to run everything even stuff like destiny and rainbow at the lowest settings or sometimes a little higher

i just got by and i never felt a reason to upgrade. but things are different now

laptops arent meant to last this long anyway. my ideas for laptops have changed drastically but i cant find a laptop i want either.

i actually do still want a laptop. cause i cant do the same kind of research i do on my mobile phone i literally need a desktop experience

new things have been coming out but idk what to choose yet

i might make a laptop thread after this

[silver path]

nuh uh

no laptop

[vale mulch]

itd be nice for doing proper quick work while im on lunch or break

also when im at a friends house

[silver path]

itd also be nice as a space heater

but ig yeah

if you wanna maove a lot well find you one

[vale mulch]

basically i dont wanna get into yet but my idea for laptops is just smallest possible

but obviously thats easier said than done

cause obviously i dont mean a 4 in laptop

[silver path]

not for gaminglaptops hell no at least 17" laptops so it wont overheat

[vale mulch]

but if that was possible then id be happy

[silver path]

do you do drawing and shit?

[vale mulch]

its not really for gaming. id be gaming on this pc im building

[silver path]

fair so more like video editing

[vale mulch]

when i was a kid laptops made more sense. i was never at home

i was always at a friends house

[silver path]

ar games at friends place?

[vale mulch]

basically laptop will be something like this

size > productivity > gaming

so very very different idea

so you cant go 17 in because itd be literally the worst in that use case

tbh i might not even need the help now that i know what i do about cpus

and its not like laptops have a gpu

but anyway back to motherboards

so is the igpu the same exact thing as an apu?

which is just the integrated graphics. and then intel and amd have their own multigpu "software" which is just sli and crossfire

[silver path]

kinda

but not really they are technically "desktop apus"

but for gaming those igpus are useless

[vale mulch]

so the igpu is the same thing as an apu

[silver path]

why wont you just accept my list man

[silver path]

but less powerful

[vale mulch]

or is apu just the multigpu system and igpu is just the integrated graphics

maybe they are two different things

but sli and crossfire are types of apu right?

@austere shale whats your opinion on this

[silver path]

no theyre types of a connection for multiple gpus

[vale mulch]

sorry if the mention is unwanted.

[silver path]

no apus have integrated graphics

[silver path]

also sli and crossfire is dead and now sli is nvlink which is also dead after the 40 series dropped suport for it

[vale mulch]

i already know integrated graphics are ass.

so no worries there. but they are nice for troubleshooting

[silver path]

yes

[austere shale]

An apu is just a cpu with integrated graphics. So that would be the new Ryzen chips and the Intel CPUs that don’t have the F on the end(even though people just call them cpus)

[silver path]

oh no katara has been awakened for no apparent reaason

[velvet falcon]

Apu is literally just what amd calls there igpu

[austere shale]

🐈

[silver path]

mmm my i5 is taostly sitting at 89 rn

[austere shale]

Oh no

[vale mulch]

right ik that integrated graphics have a chipset name like radeon for amd and intel has just "intel UHD graphics"

[silver path]

blender be doing its job on those 4 threads QwQ

[austere shale]

Yes

[silver path]

or intel HD

for oder chips

[austere shale]

And there’s different names for them as well. Like Intel HD530 Intel UHD 630 or whatever number they’re on now

[silver path]

hd naming is weird

[vale mulch]

but doesnt amd call their apu crossfire

[silver path]

i explained to you what croissfire is

its not an apu

[vale mulch]

yep i saw a intel uhd graphics 770 too

[vale mulch]

ik what they are

[austere shale]

Yeah that’s the latest one

[silver path]

its a technology to link 2 or more gpus

[vale mulch]

but are they apus or igpus?

[austere shale]

What are

[velvet falcon]

Again an apu and igpu are the exact same thing except apu is amds name for it

[austere shale]

^

[silver path]

Katara can i steal that little face off of your username :3 i want it on mine

[vale mulch]

and apu and igpu are just integrated graphics

[silver path]

igpu=integrated graphics
Apu= amd integrated graphics

[vale mulch]

okay so yeah

[silver path]

ㅇㅅㅇ like this lil guy

[vale mulch]

so its all basically the same thing

and sli and crossfire are not included in those things?

[silver path]

no

theyre dead

[vale mulch]

but also not related to apu / igpu / integrated graphics at all

[silver path]

MHMMM that was worth it of the 89 celsius

[austere shale]

Sure idc

[velvet falcon]

Apu/igpu = gpu located on the cpu
Sli/crossfire = connecting multiple gpus together to act as one

[silver path]

:0 yuss

[austere shale]

I think if you google headphones cat you can get the original

But it’s a gif

[vale mulch]

its just the multigpu system that amd or intel use.

[silver path]

fair

[vale mulch]

so its 2 different things

[austere shale]

Yes

But they’re dead

[vale mulch]

yeah ik

[austere shale]

Basically

Play MC on 4x quadro GV100

[silver path]

nvlink is tooo sadly

[vale mulch]

what is nvlink

[silver path]

wow hbm2

[silver path]

sli but more recent

[austere shale]

Better sli

[vale mulch]

ohhh

[austere shale]

Also pretty dead

[vale mulch]

so just another intergrate graphics type i guess

[silver path]

wait why 4 one of these puppies is like a 6800 nearly

[austere shale]

When they came out they were 10K each

[silver path]

4096 bit bus holy shit

[austere shale]

Discrete

[vale mulch]

but not the actually integrated chipset obviously or digital chipset idk what integrated graphics use

[silver path]

the bus width and memory amount/type explians that price tag

[vale mulch]

i just know its radeon and whatever etc

so nvlink is that intel then?

[austere shale]

LTT made a video on it

[silver path]

like holy 4096 bit mem bus

[silver path]

link?

[austere shale]

Nvidia

[austere shale]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=bA0uJWny4-g&feature=sharec

[vale mulch]

oh so all 3 have their own integrated graphics

i guess it would make sense that nvidia was late to the party but also made the best one

[silver path]

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/385671443152 oh well the price haasnt changed much

[austere shale]

Integrated graphics is a seperate thing

[silver path]

i have Hd2500 with 6 shader cores and 2 rops and theyre mighty for being do old