I am building my first PC ever

[vale mulch]

reminds me of my grandpa

[silver path]

Yeah that was a long while ago

[narrow wagon]

3 months ago, no?

[vale mulch]

oh shit i didnt know there was jtc drama

[silver path]

They updated the bioses

[silver path]

Nahh

There ain't

[vale mulch]

oh lol

[silver path]

Wait what the shit was wrong with the list I gave you

[narrow wagon]

Gotta say the white looks fire

[vale mulch]

but yeah he went an asus mb and basically scared tf out of me for choosing a 7950x3d

[silver path]

No

[silver path]

Answer?

My list was good

[vale mulch]

it was cool cause it seemed he did his research too and he came to the same conclusion as me with the 7950x3d

it was nice finding out that it was not the cpu at all

and that it was the asus mb the whole time

[narrow wagon]

Go 4090 tho

Maybe two 💀

[vale mulch]

i will for gpu

just deciding on aib

i heard crossfire is bad

[silver path]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JWTNn6

[silver path]

It doesn't exist now lol

[vale mulch]

soo i probably wont go two 4090s unless it is good.

[narrow wagon]

She wants a 7950x3d tho

[silver path]

Just change cpu

[narrow wagon]

True

[silver path]

No 40 series doesn't support nvlink

[narrow wagon]

And case

[vale mulch]

isnt the pci for gpus? whats the point in having more than one pci slot if crossfire is dead

[silver path]

One of the cards will do jack shit

[vale mulch]

crossfire = running 2 gpus right? or am i wrong?

[narrow wagon]

It’s not just for gpu

[silver path]

Nvlink makes 2 GPUs become one same wit crossfire

[silver path]

Or more

[next mountain]

just go am5

[narrow wagon]

2026

Maybe even 27

[vale mulch]

i have to go am5 for 7950x3d. i decided against the ks because of lga1700

no point in paying $400 for a dying socket type

[silver path]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JWTNn6

Wait

[narrow wagon]

Very true

[next mountain]

because it will be much cheaper and easier to upgrade, will save around 200 bucks and an hour worth of time not having to unplug everything from your old motherboard, reading the new intel mobo manual and re installing the standoff screws, screwing the new one in and plugging in the new cables, storage drives, etc

[silver path]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wx9Lrv

There

[vale mulch]

and questionable gains in gaming performance without a clear victory in productivity

[next mountain]

plus reinstalling a new board would be annoying

[narrow wagon]

Also true

[vale mulch]

so the ks isnt really a contender. intel isnt really in it this gen for most people.

[narrow wagon]

I went am5

[silver path]

14th and 15th gen will most likely use that same socket

[vale mulch]

intel is good for science tho

[next mountain]

im going am5 too

[vale mulch]

this gen

[narrow wagon]

Don’t have my gpu yet but it works great so far

[silver path]

I have LGA 1155 lololol

[narrow wagon]

Idk bout 15

[vale mulch]

thats okay. maybe youll upgrade one day

[next mountain]

14th gen is going to have little to no performance uplift on the high end, 15th gen is definitely not going to be lga1700

[silver path]

It is speculated to use it

[narrow wagon]

Ah ok

[silver path]

Faor

I gtg tho

[narrow wagon]

This guy knows 10x more than me lol

[silver path]

Hope my list will win lol

[vale mulch]

im upset tho cause on youtube i keep getting click baited by gamermeld for fucking 5090s and new amd gpus

[next mountain]

the 14900k is just a 13900ks at $599, the 14900ks is just gonna be a better binned 13900ks

[vale mulch]

im just like wtf is going on

[silver path]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wx9Lrv Capitane Crunchie check this out and improve in it

[narrow wagon]

14700k will be a huge uplift for 13700k but that’s not relevant to her

[vale mulch]

cause he keeps saying they released today and that sounds like a big fucking lie

[silver path]

If you want my list is a good base

[next mountain]

to be fair 15th gen may have 40 cores and 48 threads or something crazy

[vale mulch]

its releveant if it got released. its not relevant if i have to wait til october

[vale mulch]

yeah that's insane

[silver path]

6p cores and 32 e cores lol

[vale mulch]

for a non threadripper

[silver path]

@next mountain

[next mountain]

i really hope not, 6 p cores on a 900 class cpu is pathetic

[narrow wagon]

Almost as good as my 7700x

8 cores

[silver path]

I gtg baiiiii hope you get good shit Dream

[next mountain]

big yikes on the cooler, storage can be faster and cheaper

[silver path]

The cooler is op my friend used it on his 7950x

[next mountain]

yea op as in overpriced

the ls720 will perform similarly, a 420 rad will beat it for half the price

[narrow wagon]

I would go 4x4tb nvme 5.0 drives if I had an infinite budget

Lol

[next mountain]

not necessary on an x3d anyways tho

but i mean if you wanted to be overkill

[narrow wagon]

[next mountain]

how much storage do you need?

[vale mulch]

its okii. i will talk to you later

[next mountain]

do you need over 8tb

[vale mulch]

as much as possible but not exactly server bank

[next mountain]

is 8tb overkill?

[vale mulch]

no

im looking at the 8 - 22 tb range

storage is cheap

[next mountain]

x670e is surprisingly cheap

[next mountain]

do the speeds matter or nah

like as long as its nvme?

[vale mulch]

so i have heard that running an ssd for the boot drive makes everything so damn snappy

[next mountain]

whoa 4tb nvmes are insanely cheap now

$144 for 4tb

[vale mulch]

so speeds do matter i think

[next mountain]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/h2Wdn6 hows this build

board supports 4 nvmes, i beleive more if you use an expansion slot

[heavy wolf]

@vale mulch how many monitors do you think?

[vale mulch]

eventually i think it would be fun to see how far off everyone's list is from mine

[heavy wolf]

because you cant have too many huge monitors. itll be too much space

[vale mulch]

probably just the one right. i dont know much about monitors

[heavy wolf]

in my opinion having 2 monitors is a huge help. but that may just be me

i dont know nearly as much about pcs compared to these other lads lol

[vale mulch]

what does it do

[heavy wolf]

well games wise, you can have youtube/twitch/discord/ANYTHING on the second monitors while playing on the first one. you can also have a program on one monitor and do research on the other. for example, when im in games like minecraft hypixel, i have to calculate certain things like how much this will cost, will i profit from flipping it, etc, so i have the game on one monitor and a calculator on the other

it can speed up your workflow

a lot

[vale mulch]

that's a super good idea

[heavy wolf]

it will also prevent you from getting pissed off at you trying to switch programs every 2 damn seconds

[vale mulch]

oh wow yeah im on laptop and i just pin my windows to the left or right sometimes

[heavy wolf]

i would get a 4k 144 hz 28 inch monitor for your MAIN one, then a 1440p/maybe 4k 60fps on the other so you dont spend as much

[vale mulch]

but its annoying

gets in the way

[heavy wolf]

yeah i guess that would work but its harder to play games like that plus it looks ugly

[vale mulch]

calculator takes forever to open

[heavy wolf]

yes

[vale mulch]

when i play games im just full screen

[heavy wolf]

this is kinda unrelated but is your internet good?

[vale mulch]

yeah

[heavy wolf]

yeah, but with 2 monitors you can still watch things on the other monitor

[vale mulch]

yeah

[heavy wolf]

okay. if you said "no" i wouldve suggested balling out on a great internet, since games wise it would be a better finacial descision then getting better fps tbh

[vale mulch]

so outside of these benefits

anything else?

[heavy wolf]

for example rn i have discord open and i have pc part picker lists on my other monitor

[vale mulch]

right

[heavy wolf]

its just a relatively cheap upgrade (for ur massive budget anyways) that helps a lot

[vale mulch]

so better multitasking

[heavy wolf]

yeah i guess i alr said that lol

but every gamer, streamer, and even my parents have 2 monitors minimum

[vale mulch]

well when i was doing research the monitors i saw can get more expensive than the stupidest $6000 PCs

[heavy wolf]

dont buy a monitor if its more then 500 dollars imo

[vale mulch]

so imo monitors are huge investments

[heavy wolf]

but probably less

my 2 monitors cost $300 in total. yeah theyre much worse then urs but

[vale mulch]

thats really hard for someone like me

[heavy wolf]

if you dont care about 4k 2 1440p monitors are a great investment

[vale mulch]

like i probably wont go 500 refresh because its not that supported yet

[heavy wolf]

dont go above 240

dont go above 144 if ur doing 4k

[vale mulch]

i do care about 4k

i need 4k rt

[heavy wolf]

okay so 4k

for gaming correct?

[vale mulch]

yeah i guess idk how my productivity work would require 4k rt

[heavy wolf]

it wouldnt

but

[narrow wagon]

True

[heavy wolf]

how i would go about it

is

[vale mulch]

idk if theres anything else besides movies and youtube

[narrow wagon]

Unless ur doing hardcore blender

[vale mulch]

yeah

[heavy wolf]

buy a 4k monitor for your gaming, then buy a 1440p or a 1080p montier for the second one

[vale mulch]

but tbh im not really on monitor right now

im only on the motherboard

[heavy wolf]

use the better monitor for your more important endeavours

[vale mulch]

yeah the 2nd - 5th monitors can all be lower tiers from what ive heard

[narrow wagon]

if you want an insane monitor the best is the samsung oddysey ark

[heavy wolf]

how i would do it, if i was in your spot, is:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B094NX6C8R?psc=1 for your gaming and main productivity
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07TD94TQF?ie=UTF8 something like this for your second monitor

[heavy wolf]

tru

[narrow wagon]

https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-Odyssey-Mini-LED-Technology-S55BG970NN/dp/B0B7TYHHX2/ref=sr_1_2?crid=12R881B8RIQ3F&keywords=samsung+odyssey+ark&qid=1691092853&s=electronics&sprefix=samsung+oddysey+ark%2Celectronics%2C84&sr=1-2&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.17f26c18-b61b-4ce9-8a28-de351f41cffb

[heavy wolf]

55 inch is MASSIVE tho

thats my only issue wit it

[narrow wagon]

its so big

im only gonna use a 32 inch

[heavy wolf]

its also half the price of his pc

[narrow wagon]

1440p

[narrow wagon]

fax

[vale mulch]

i have 3 75 in tvs if that tells you anything

i like them big

[narrow wagon]

her

i think

[heavy wolf]

Sorry

[narrow wagon]

or they

[heavy wolf]

I guess that goth pink comment from the beginning of the thread

[narrow wagon]

idrk

[vale mulch]

dont be. it doesnt matter really.

[heavy wolf]

Fair

[vale mulch]

it's not like a have my pfp uploaded

[narrow wagon]

dont use ur face for ur pfp

[vale mulch]

it's not my main account

[heavy wolf]

I automatically go to “he” since there’s more boys then girls on discord

[narrow wagon]

its not a good idea

[narrow wagon]

makes sense

[vale mulch]

computers yeah

[heavy wolf]

and that

[narrow wagon]

70% of discord is he

[heavy wolf]

But if I know their gender I would obviously say the correct one

[vale mulch]

kind of embarassed to try this. but im determined. its only going to be painful for now.

[heavy wolf]

Sounds about right

[narrow wagon]

what pc are you using right now

[vale mulch]

im on laptop

i want to vtube.

[narrow wagon]

why?

[heavy wolf]

Can’t be bothered

But it’s nothing special

[vale mulch]

on my main account i usually just upload a cute anime pfp.

but tbh im gonna start using my real face

i dont understand the stigma

[narrow wagon]

catfishing

its super easy to do i you use your "real face"

yk

[heavy wolf]

If you piss people off enough they might try and find you in rare cases. But otherwise catfishing

[vale mulch]

didnt understand the 2nd message

i dont mind the trying to find me stuff

[narrow wagon]

?

i would

[vale mulch]

like sometimes ive gotten scared but thats just how it is to be a girl and i dont want to be overlly cautious my whole life. if i die. i die.

[narrow wagon]

not always

[vale mulch]

it actually makes me so upset so i used to post my number and address online but i got banned for it

[narrow wagon]

oh

[vale mulch]

so now i dont. otherwise i totally would

[narrow wagon]

thats so stupid

im sorry

[vale mulch]

used to have people call me and say "im here" and id be like "who is this"

the trick is that, i would post my address but not my apartment number

but my apartment number was the server icon on my server

lmao

so i was never in danger. but at night. the 2 second walk to my car really started to rattle me sometimes. ive been stopped in that time before

and i had a bad experience with a cryptid in my small town in 2015. but idk if i really saw anything. but i guess people are calling them "hidebehinds" now

i was walking with a friend past my high school the summer i graduated. i was 18. and one of the trees looked like it had someone standing in front of it. so i was staring at it mesmerized and i started walking towards it. and thats when i realized my friend saw it too and got distracted at the same time as me and we both went to go see it. but then when we got closer it faded away or like blended into the tree.

but anyway my address wont matter eventually either because i will be living in my van

so itll be super subjective by that point

[vale mulch]

also that experience scares me tho at night because my apartment has a lot of creepy trees.

ive also had men say they were going to come kill me and stuff like that

ive had them leave gatorade at my mailbox with my name.

and ive had some of them like track my number down somehow. and get my full legal name which is what made the gatorade so weird

but like overall, its not that dangerous

[heavy wolf]

Btw make sure you have enough room for your pc and monitors

[vale mulch]

yeah im gonna start with just 1 monitor

[heavy wolf]

I really hate that your gonna have a insane computer but only one monitor but Alr

[vale mulch]

im gonna get the 2nd monitor later

outside of better workflow i dont see any other benefits

are there any downsides of a 2nd monitor

[heavy wolf]

I guess you don’t watch streamers and your not on social media while gaming?

Maybe that’s just me

[heavy wolf]

No

Not really

Besides like 2 more wires

with ur budget I’m assuming space isn’t a problem

I had a tiny budget and still could get 2 monitors and I am very happy with it

Tbh you could get like a 1080p 144hz on the second monitor and still be happy with it

[vale mulch]

that's still workflow tho

[heavy wolf]

that’s entertainment

[vale mulch]

if anything it sounds like running all that on so many monitors would be harder on your cpu gpu

[heavy wolf]

especially if you’re grinding certain video games

[heavy wolf]

[vale mulch]

its multitasking work

so this isnt really an option of low end pc users

which is a downside

[heavy wolf]

bro you could have one of the the best cpu and gpu available and you’re worried about having a few more tabs open?

No low end pcs have 2 monitors also

16 gb of ram can handle it any day

[vale mulch]

well i usually run like 30 tabs on my laptop

[heavy wolf]

With 64gb of ram it’s fine

I can do it with 16 gb 😂

And still have memory to spare

[trim barn]

lol me atm

chrome extention

[heavy wolf]

[vale mulch]

well thats what im saying. its a downside because there no real access to this for people with low budgets. having all those things open is harder to run.

it uses up more cpu

[heavy wolf]

No? Bro I literally said low end pcs have 2

[heavy wolf]

I have Minecraft AND YouTube, discord, and Reddit open all at the same time with 2 monitors and have 30% cpu and 40-50% memory. And I have a garbage setup lol

[vale mulch]

are all men with more than one monitor toxic lol.

[heavy wolf]

Nah it just annoys me that your saying that having 2 monitors will hurt your setup even though you have a amazing setup

Sorry for being disrespectful tho

[vale mulch]

the 7950x3d and a 4090 should be able to run 2 monitors i think

[heavy wolf]

It could run 10 no doubt

[vale mulch]

good

[heavy wolf]

Maybe not 10 4k if ur watching movies on all 10 at 4k but 🤣 I don’t think ur gonna do that

[vale mulch]

ohh theres the caviat

two letters

P H

[heavy wolf]

I have a gpu 970 and can still use 2 monitors with one on high settings Minecraft and one on YouTube

[heavy wolf]

Potential of… hydrogen?

[vale mulch]

LOL

[heavy wolf]

autocorrect really messed me up ther

Ngl

[vale mulch]

more like

[heavy wolf]

That’s why I shouldn’t talk without looking

[vale mulch]

yellow and black

[heavy wolf]

[vale mulch]

i already have a dual tv monitor setup

[heavy wolf]

[crystal atlas]

Nice floor space

[vale mulch]

yeah my 9 piece sectional takes up a lot

[crystal atlas]

Lmao

[vale mulch]

its p clean actually but in the pic its a mess

i just have laundry out right now

[crystal atlas]

And a bunch of boxes

[vale mulch]

those are christmas gifts from 2021

[crystal atlas]

Lmao you’ve just got them sitting around

[vale mulch]

i never opened them. im on bad terms with my family

[crystal atlas]

Ah

[vale mulch]

i pulled them out a couple months ago, but then i got distracted and eventually i forgot about it.

[pine totem]

Open them

[vale mulch]

i cant

[crystal atlas]

It’s mentally impossible

[vale mulch]

i want to tho. cause then i can start posting pics of my tvs on facebook to sell

cant really do vanlife without opening them

its definitely a hurdle. but right now im building a pc

the one on the right tho isnt mounted

i was gonna buy that $300 mount

but now im hell bent on vanlife

rent free forever

[heavy wolf]

If you cleaned everything 2 monitors is very much possible

[vale mulch]

oh yeah the one on the left is full motion

it comes out 2 feet

i will put on my favorite youtubers on the right and then put on ambient noise on the left usually

[heavy wolf]

Yeah so your good

[vale mulch]

when the youtube video is done ambient noise continues and its nice

[heavy wolf]

Yeah that’s pretty cool

[vale mulch]

but im not gonna mount the one on the right

cause im selling everything

they are 4k tvs i bought in 2018

okay so back to motherboards

why not just get one of these

the highest memory max you can buy is 2048 gb

the highest slots you can buy is 16

it seems that the 2048 gb is in a class of it's own, and that most of the others are 1024 gb which represent motherboards with the highest memory max

then drops to the 512 gb tier

then the 256 gb tier

then finally the 192 gb tier

but what is memory max and memory slots? is it for ram stuff.

what?

idk what i will buy yet at all

so you dont know what memory max or memory slots are either?

this is the point i am currently at right now

if you can't help, then i wouldnt be here.

we know

anyway.

[crystal atlas]

Dude

Do us a favor and shut up

[crystal atlas]

Anyway memory max is the maximum amount of RAM that you can put onto your board

[vale mulch]

when you get off discord, you get to take a break. i never get to take a break from what i am.

[crystal atlas]

The amount of memory slots usually correlates to the memory max

You’ll put the ram in the memory slots

[vale mulch]

so its all just ram. and the slots somehow calculates how much ram can be put in meaning the max is just a derivative of the slots

[crystal atlas]

Kind of

[vale mulch]

which would mean each slot should have it's own memory max

[crystal atlas]

Yes

[vale mulch]

how does it know which ram is on the market

or ig maybe it doesnt matter which type of ram

just the amount

so then, which is more important. the max mb ram you can have or the number of ram slots you can have

ik it seems simple but ive heard horrible stories

[crystal atlas]

It’s very dependent on the cpu and motherboard that you get

[vale mulch]

and the pc my brother made for me is broke and we think its a ram thing or idk

[crystal atlas]

Ram is one of the things that can go wrong pretty often

[vale mulch]

okayy

[crystal atlas]

You’re mostly going to be gaming right)

[vale mulch]

uhh maybe 60 40

or 50 50

gaming to productivity spread

[crystal atlas]

Alright

[vale mulch]

maybe even 40 60

[crystal atlas]

Have you considered ram speeds and latency yet?

[vale mulch]

its hard to tell with my current lifestyle

oh i didnt know ram had a speed too

[crystal atlas]

Oh yeah

[vale mulch]

i just know ram has the amount

so like ik i want the highest ram you can get

[crystal atlas]

2TB of ram is kinda insane

[vale mulch]

that does sound insane

does it really go that high

i was gonna choose ram after mb tho

should i choose ram before mb?

[crystal atlas]

I’d do mobo b4 ram

If you know you’re gonna want the max amount then it doesn’t really matter

Just know that with more ram it does get slower

[vale mulch]

like ive heard 4 ram slots will usually have 2 channels. and it alternates channels. so A1 B1 A2 B2. and 1 stick of ram in A1 slot is okay. no ram = no post. 2 sticks of ram in A1 and B1 is bad? but idk why. and 2 sticks of ram in A1 and A2 is good. 3 sticks of ram in A1 B1 and A2 is bad. and i heard 4 sticks of ram in A1 B1 A2 B2 is bad.

[crystal atlas]

But I’m by no means an expert

[vale mulch]

does slots always determine your channels?

[crystal atlas]

It’s all very confusing

Yeah

[vale mulch]

so if you have 16 slots does mean you have 8 channels?

[crystal atlas]

As far as I know yes

[vale mulch]

or does it mean you have 2 channels and that each channel has 8 slots

so like A3, A4 A5 A6 etc

or is it more like

A1 A2 B1 B2 C1 C2. or does it just not go past A and B?

[heavy wolf]

Please shut up ;D

Even by the tiny chance he’s not gonna buy anything everyone who participated in this 5k long talk probably learned something from it

[crystal atlas]

In all honesty I do not know

I’ve never really had a reason to know lol

[vale mulch]

that's okay

[heavy wolf]

Motherboards are the one thing I never wanna learn about because it’s just confusing

[vale mulch]

damn

im gonna give it my all tonight

[pine totem]

Please lets not start à mess for nothing

[heavy wolf]

What did dream ever do to you?

[pine totem]

Thanks mods

[trim barn]

basic stuff at least anything deeper that where I struggle lol

[heavy wolf]

Same here

Does it matter

[pine totem]

AG fuck

Sorry stroke

[vale mulch]

so this is a typical picture of an AM5 stats page

it would seem that the motherboard has a chipset too. which i do remember from my gpu research.

the gpu chipsets were things like geforce rtx 4090. or 7900 xtx.

it would also seem that most of the chipset is software based

and that it is hardware too but its only the wires

pcb "wires"

[pine totem]

Thanks mod again

Also this is too scientific for me gl dream

[heavy wolf]

Same lol

[vernal kettle]

why?

[vale mulch]

that's okay thank you

[heavy wolf]

My brainpower isn’t advanced enough for this

[vernal kettle]

so what is the question?

[vale mulch]

they do list eh 670 for the amd mb

mbs are hard for me cause with cpu and gpu it was all quantifiable speed numbers usually

for mbs its like what benchmark is here. what matters at all. why not just get a super cheap mb. or a super expensive mb

the guide says knowing the science behind it isnt important which im willing to put aside

all i need to know is that i need AM5 and that AM5 is 4th gen amd. and that AM5 uses thes x670, x670e or the b650 chipsets

[heavy wolf]

@vale mulch so can you tell me what parts you have settled so far?

[vale mulch]

also i know now that the chipsets do not correlate to the cpu or gpu chipsets

so whereas the sockets need to match

the gpu chipset wont "match" the mb chipset.

[vale mulch]

cpu and gpu are DONE

[heavy wolf]

Gpu you mean?

cpu and gpu?

[vale mulch]

7950x3d and the 4090 chipset. i will choose an AIB later when i know more about my other parts

[heavy wolf]

Ah okay

[vale mulch]

YES

[heavy wolf]

Yeah that’s pretty amazing duo ngl

I’m jealous

Anyways

After you finish the mobo I would go to RAM

[vale mulch]

socket and chipset only matter for compat

[heavy wolf]

Ram is more important then some people think. But it’s way more simple then mobo 😂

[vale mulch]

ive heard this before and OKAY will do

[heavy wolf]

I have respect for your dedication to this

[vale mulch]

anything after mb was always a gray area when i was talking to friends who seemed confused. so the RAM as #4 sounds affirming

[vale mulch]

thank youu it comes in waves. i feel good again today.

[heavy wolf]

Yeah. For you 64 gb is a minimum probably

[vale mulch]

this server more than anything has giving me the hope i need tbh. something like this would have been literally impossible for me 10 years ago.

[heavy wolf]

But imma let you be with this mobo stuff because I know nothing about it

[vale mulch]

64 gb as in the mem max

[heavy wolf]

Yeah

[vale mulch]

damn thats okii

[vale mulch]

how did you choose your mb

[pine totem]

Your détermination is amazing, good luck, wish i could help, but well im actually really ass in everything

[vale mulch]

what was the most important stat for you

[crystal atlas]

It’s a lot simpler on the low(er)end

[vale mulch]

so on low end its probably just pick something in budget that looks cool

and matches socket and chipset but pcpp does that too

[crystal atlas]

Yeah

Make sure it has what you need it to have

And maybe some extras

[vale mulch]

this article im reading is outdated too

[vale mulch]

so what kind of extras are out there to consider

[crystal atlas]

Quick ssd release, maybe some fun colors, and stuff like extra pciE slots

[vale mulch]

theres no such thing as a pci slot right? that not an older version or anything

its pcie is the full name and pci is just what some people say cause maybe they dont wanna say the e i guess.

[heavy wolf]

Ugh, I made a paragraph, then my service went to 💩

[vale mulch]

DAMN

[vale mulch]

also whats the deal with wifi

my brother had a wifi adapter

that i plugged in

but i heard you can get built in wifi

is that a mb extra?

[crystal atlas]

Yeah, although most come with it

So only on the rather low end

[crystal atlas]

Yeah no, but you can get more lanes from certain components, but that doesn’t matter all that much

[heavy wolf]

Based of this, I would definitely get 64 gb of ram

[crystal atlas]

What cpu are you getting?

[vale mulch]

it was an old mid end pc my brother built that never worked

[heavy wolf]

^

[crystal atlas]

Ah

Ty

[crystal atlas]

That sounds abt right

[vale mulch]

so most mbs today come with wifi now?

[heavy wolf]

Yea.

Especially the expensive ones

[vale mulch]

and its seen as a standard. not an extra?

[heavy wolf]

Pretty much yes

It used to be a extra I think. I don’t know the history of it

I might be wrong

But yeah know it’s a standard

[vale mulch]

good cause when i had no post, obviously you cant see anything so i was trying to get this pc to run. but the sinking feeling of windows wanting to update without a display made me think it was impossible.

[heavy wolf]

I have Ethernet, and I hope you can get it too for ur pc

[vale mulch]

built in wifi is nice cause then i dont have that thought in the back of my mind

[crystal atlas]

Yeah def get Ethernet

[vale mulch]

if it ever got to that point

[heavy wolf]

Ethernet helps so much lmao

[vale mulch]

i usually do ethernet. i had a really good one, but i went overboard back then

[heavy wolf]

I have garbage internet sadly though

1.5 mbps upload on a good day

[crystal atlas]

What country do you live in?

[vale mulch]

usa

[crystal atlas]

Ouch

[vale mulch]

ohio

[crystal atlas]

Mhm

[heavy wolf]

that state usually has good internet

[vale mulch]

oh wow

[crystal atlas]

All you really need is 100mbps up/down

[heavy wolf]

Which I don’t have, I’m not even close

10 download mbps, 1 upload is my averages

[crystal atlas]

But you can prob get a 1GB for p cheap

Damn

[vale mulch]

i have 100 down

[heavy wolf]

And there’s no other available

[vale mulch]

i think i have like 15 up

[proper dove]

I have 60 down, 15 up

[heavy wolf]

Lucky y’all

[heavy wolf]

Fortnite is the only competitive game I play and it’s servers are in Virginia (where I live) which is a HUGE stroke of luck so yeah

That basically saves me lol

[heavy wolf]

I’m so jealous

[crystal atlas]

Fr

[heavy wolf]

[heavy wolf]

Funnily enough, my internet isn’t working rn

[proper dove]

Rip bozo

[heavy wolf]

It’s bandwith is absolutely horrendous

so it rarely works when I’m not the only one home

[proper dove]

Nearest servers to me are in Dublin 🙃

I’m not Irish…

[heavy wolf]

[vale mulch]

so i guess some brands of motherboards will have different series

[heavy wolf]

I get like 40 ping on Fortnite when no one else is using the internet which is good enough for me (with Ethernet)

[vale mulch]

and some just have the one series which is the same name as the brand so the series is nothing

[heavy wolf]

Well imma go play some Minecraft

Enjoy your progress on mobo @vale mulch, you’ll find me in this thread again no doubt

[crystal atlas]

Is there a PCPP list for this?

[heavy wolf]

That’s probably a good idea ^

[proper dove]

I don’t know

[heavy wolf]

Well cya

[vale mulch]

so different mbs will have only different support for ram type

meaning in a couple years your ram will get dated super fast

[proper dove]

I’m convinced @vale mulch is a pc building AI bot that Linus is making us train

[vale mulch]

i have my own. but its basically nothing rn

[vale mulch]

that would be so cool

[crystal atlas]

Alr

[vale mulch]

most bots tho are trained to say "yes i am a bot i can help you" or "im sorry i am a bot, i cant discriminate against different types of people"

[crystal atlas]

Only the cpu and GPU have been decided right

[vale mulch]

basically yeah. any other pcpp i have made, were just throw in parts to satisfy people

[crystal atlas]

Alr

[proper dove]

Did you decide on 7950x3d or 13900ks?

[crystal atlas]

7950x3d

[vale mulch]

but the main two are 7950x3d and a gpu that has a 4090 chipset inside of it for sure

[vale mulch]

yes i went the 7950x3d. the ks is just too overpriced for #1 in productivity. where the 7950x3d is easily like a #4 or #5 in productivity and im happy with that

[proper dove]

Okay

[vale mulch]

gaming the ks is like #3 or #4 maybe

what does DIMM mean?

[crystal atlas]

I do not know

[proper dove]

Something to do with Ram

[crystal atlas]

Have you chosen a case?

[vale mulch]

nope

smaller the better cause i want the best machine in the most compact style but its my first pc and i have been warned about staying away from itx and i respect that

also i want the best so atx has better features but if the features dont matter to me and i can figure it out i might be able to eliminate atx

[crystal atlas]

Yeah I think that’s a wise practice

[vale mulch]

is itx harder to build

[crystal atlas]

Yes

[vale mulch]

when it finally gets to assembly time

[crystal atlas]

By a lot

[vale mulch]

okay good to know

hard as in risky or just difficult

[tawdry musk]

Depend i am fine with itx i build with one for a friend but ye if it the first time you building a pc dont get itx

[heavy wolf]

I have the 4000d airflow white

It’s a very pretty case with amazing airflow, but it’s a bit on the high side for budget. Now for you it’s good (money wise)

[crystal atlas]

Both lol

since its a smaller case there is less room to puit things, and so it is harder to build, but there is also more reisk of component damage bc its tighter and you might make mistakes

[tawdry musk]

What budget

[heavy wolf]

Yeah I would buy a big enough case to where there’s no risk involved

[crystal atlas]

up to 20k

i think

[heavy wolf]

Up to 20k

[crystal atlas]

i havent read throuygh all the 5k comments

[heavy wolf]

But most builds have been like 5k

[crystal atlas]

we want to be reasonable here

[tawdry musk]

👀 my pc was a 10k build

[heavy wolf]

And there’s no reason to spend 20k on a pc

[proper dove]

I think the Corsair 5000D would be good

[vale mulch]

wow thats amazing

[heavy wolf]

Yeah it probably would

[vale mulch]

ik a 100k build is pointless

[tawdry musk]

I have the i9-13900ks in my build

[crystal atlas]

diminishing returns

[heavy wolf]

There’s also the question that how dream wants the aesthetic to fit

[vale mulch]

i dont actually expect to reach 20k

[heavy wolf]

Like does you care about a black mobo in a white case?

[tawdry musk]

For the look cmon joke joke

[vale mulch]

i could fork out for the ks but its just not worth it for me cause lga1700 is going away

[heavy wolf]

I have a black mobo in a white case and it looks just fine

Also I’m back from Minecraft. I’m still playing but I don’t have to pay attention much ;)

[tawdry musk]

Gen 14 intel is rumoured to go on lga1700 too

[vale mulch]

so the objective is not to get a ks to come closer to 20k its not a target number. the target number is $0 lol if i could get this all for free that would be great

[heavy wolf]

Yeah sadly that doesn’t happen 😭

But you want like the best pc possible correct?

Basically anyways

[vale mulch]

but the objective is also not to ignore the 7950x3d because its $650 when the returns arent really deminishing and it is a halo tier product

it is objectively overpriced tho

[tawdry musk]

Probably ye

[heavy wolf]

It’s definitely overpriced 😂

[vale mulch]

not that bad tho

[heavy wolf]

But it’s the best so

Not bad yeah indeed

[tawdry musk]

Still like my ks

[vale mulch]

the 7950x is best value

[heavy wolf]

I would say so

But that’s only because it’s better then everything

[vale mulch]

so if i run into budget issues, then i could drop to 7950x but i wont

[tawdry musk]

Value wasn’t a thinking when I was build tbh

[heavy wolf]

Yeah I wish I had that kind of money

[vale mulch]

and with gpu i could drop to xtx but i also wont

[heavy wolf]

If you have budget issues invest more on gpu then cpu lol

[tawdry musk]

I got a 4090

[vale mulch]

i would drop to a founders edition before i go to xtx

[heavy wolf]

As long as there’s no bottlenecking ofc

[heavy wolf]

My gpu 970 my brother gave me:

[tawdry musk]

F

[vale mulch]

or just a $1600 aib

founders editions always suck

[heavy wolf]

Yeah I’m probably gonna get a 6650 xt for Christmas

[vale mulch]

this is the only gen where they are okay

[heavy wolf]

ANYWAYS back to dream lol

[vale mulch]

oh thats a gpu right

[heavy wolf]

^?

[vale mulch]

an older one

[tawdry musk]

I gonna keep my 4090 lol

[heavy wolf]

AMD yes

[heavy wolf]

It’s better then the 3060 but worse then the 3060 ti for cheaper then both

[vale mulch]

yess

[heavy wolf]

Like $100 cheaper then the ti I think

More then that actually

[tawdry musk]

Nvidia got a nice rtx 4090 if you want max performance

[heavy wolf]

It’s a bit worse tho

[vale mulch]

thats the founders edition. im gonna go with a custom aib partner

[tawdry musk]

Got the strix 4090 oc me

[heavy wolf]

Also how quiet do you want this to be dream?

That helps tell how much you’ll need to spend on fans

I guess you figure that out later tho?

[vale mulch]

as quiet as possible. in vanlife i will need to stealth camp so a loud fan could be problematic. but noise level isnt as important as performance level

[heavy wolf]

It wouldn’t be that loud

But noted

Any good fan isn’t loud enough to escape a van probably

[tawdry musk]

With the hardware he want to put in it better get good fans

[heavy wolf]

Exactly

Powerful but quiet, even with a much smaller budget it’s pretty possible

[heavy wolf]

And noise << performance indeed

[vale mulch]

so if #1 performance comes with a performance score of 100 but the fans are 95 and #2 comes with a performance score of 99 and the fans are 30 and #3 is 89 perf and 50 fans and #4 is 88 perf 9 fans

then im going #2

because #3 is just #2 but worse. and #4 sacrifices too much performance for a quiet fan.

i could go #1 which would be option B but why take 1 point in performance when i could shave off 65 points for fans.

[heavy wolf]

Or go 100 100 😜

[vale mulch]

LOL

[heavy wolf]

Unless I’m missing something

[vale mulch]

i meant 100 fans as in loudest possible

[heavy wolf]

OH SHIT

okay yeah

[vale mulch]

0 would be quietest

[heavy wolf]

Oops

I meant lol

I think I said a bad word on accident

[vale mulch]

nw

[heavy wolf]

Oh yeah I did

Oh god

That’s bad

Oops

[vale mulch]

i would pin progress but we cant in these threads

[heavy wolf]

[vale mulch]

interesting

but i have strong doubts

prolly just intel trying to sell more 13900s

[tawdry musk]

[rose pollen]

It was confirmed I’m pretty sure

[vale mulch]

really wow

things move so fast

does anyone know what these are

[turbid elm]

motherboard size standards

[heavy wolf]

There’s been a lot of ppl in this thread lol

[vale mulch]

ik what form factor is

and ik atx

but what on earth is ssi eeb and hptx

[rose pollen]

almost 6k messages in thread wow

[vale mulch]

also i thought xlatx was the big one but apparently eatx is the one that ive heard on this server

[rose pollen]

what happened to Michael’s thread

[crystal atlas]

got locked

https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1123610559410098206

[turbid elm]

i believe ssi eeb is the largest size of motherboard, typically used in the server space. Hptx is just another larger than atx/eatx motherboard used in the server space as well.

[crystal atlas]

again

[turbid elm]

why

[crystal atlas]

not sure

he hasnt responded yet

[vale mulch]

so just even bigger wow

[turbid elm]

yeah pretty much

for extra expansion slots, io, etc

[vale mulch]

so then whats bigger eatx or xlatx

[crystal atlas]

xlatx

p sure

[turbid elm]

yeah

https://www.pcguide.com/motherboard/faq/sizes-form-factor-explained/

[rose pollen]

most people don’t need bigger than atx

[turbid elm]

the only consumer motherboards larger than atx are the "eatx" threadripper motherboards

[rose pollen]

yes

[turbid elm]

and some xeons

[rose pollen]

are those cpus for servers?

like what are they used for

[turbid elm]

now they are, because threadripper is so much better

[crystal atlas]

yeah they're intels version of threadripper

[turbid elm]

but they were also used for workstations, because of the 4+ memory channels

[rose pollen]

I wonder what jobs require threadripper 💀

[turbid elm]

all of Linus's editors lol

because editing 8k/12k video requires all the ram

turns out ssi-eeb is just eatx

https://www.silverstonetek.com/it/tech-talk/wh11_008

[vale mulch]

god this is the best source ty

[heavy wolf]

i cant even edit 1080p video on my laptop lol

[turbid elm]

it took me a hot minute to find that, but i wanted to figure out the difference as well.

[trim barn]

6k sorta eats ram too lol

but 64 still enough leeway for me to work with 6k

[turbid elm]

i dont doubt it, but i said Linus's ediors need threadripper, because they edit 8k

[trim barn]

they did also get 12k cameras recently lol.

[turbid elm]

"8k/12k"

[trim barn]

the reds are not used as often anymore

so it's sony and blackmagic

[vale mulch]

so atx is usually
12in by ~7to10in
7 expansion slots
6to10 mounting holes

so not only size but the expansion slots and mounting holes. but mounting holes arent important because each form factor should be stable and firm to the case in the end anyway.

so what are expansion slots

[trim barn]

FX6, FX3...uhhhh dammit I have the tour video gerald did again lol

but yea full camera nerd me

[turbid elm]

the pcie slots on every consumer and server/enterprise motherboard

[trim barn]

and more pcie lanes

[turbid elm]

?

[trim barn]

more pcie lanes to split between the pcie slots and nvmes etc

[vale mulch]

oh so expansion slots ARE pcie. but we only call them pcie because thats the newest expansion slot technology

[turbid elm]

ohhhh yeah

[vale mulch]

one day expansion slots might upgrade to something else besides pcie

[turbid elm]

pretty much yeah. there are other server specific ones, but thats a whole different topic

[vale mulch]

and pcie determines what you can plug in i guess

[turbid elm]

pretty much

[rose pollen]

If your building a new pc no reason not to have pcie 5 for future cards

[turbid elm]

any z6/790 or x5/670/e motherboard will most likely have all the expansion you could need. intel and amd's b series will also have decent expansion.

[trim barn]

sucks I can't use the pcie slots anymore on my board so I am stuck with not expanding anymore

unless I get a pcie to nvme and move 2 of my nvmes to that card

[turbid elm]

why not

[proud rapids]

are asus gpu's still good

[trim barn]

msi wired up this b550 board weird since it has 4 nvme slots

[turbid elm]

oh, the nvme's use all the pcie?

[trim barn]

if I use the most bottom nvme slot the gen 3 x16 slot is disabled, occupy the middle 2 nvme slots then I loose all pcie x4 slots and 2 out of the 6 sata plugs

which I've maxed out the nvmes on this board now

and sata

[turbid elm]

why would they put 4 nvmes on a b series motherboard

[trim barn]

lol that is my question but I am using all 4 well 3 excluding that single gen 4 slot

the rest are gen 3

but using 3 of the gen 3 nvme slots the middle two get split from running gen 3x4 to 3x2

[turbid elm]

2 should be the maximum for a b series motherboard

[trim barn]

funky way on the meg unify boards

[trim barn]

that board

[turbid elm]

ew. why the hell would anyone buy a b series motherboard and then buy 4 nvme's

[trim barn]

not worth 300$ but yea it was the only good board I could grab last minute when my b550 died at microcenter

they didn't have any new x570 boards in stock too so the motherboard selection was very limited during covid

[turbid elm]

oooof

[trim barn]

paid itself off though lol

so that is good

I think once I sort out my sata ssd drives then the move to all nvme should work

[vale mulch]

https://dreamfable.notion.site/cdf2fe6d09cc422baf63f74e173b8f48?v=009c181dbd8f41269cc9c3c5fc726714&pvs=4

okay so i made my own database outlining the info in that article

i hope it helps others

[turbid elm]

I think people call threadripper motherboards eatx but they’re not really eatx. It’s sort of a slightly wider atx — probably exactly 4 dimm slots wider

[trim barn]

extended atx but yea still eatx if you get what I mean

[turbid elm]

Uh, no?

[trim barn]

threadripper boards/any eatx are just extended atx boards

so just wider but still eatx

some am5 x670 boards are eatx I think one I was considering is eatx

[vale mulch]

what ive learned

• most form factors only change the width not the length. most of the atx boards are all 6.7in width minimum which is the smallest width possible.

• the smallest length is 6.7in

• SSI-EEB is EATX which is just extended atx.

• all SSI mbs are multi cpu boards.

• most boards have 7 slots. but you can sacrifice a little more to get 9 if you need that many slots.

• mdtx and itx are both good form factors and are in constant debate vs each other.

• regular dtx is much less popular than mdtx because it is bigger for no reason you gain absolutely nothing from going with dtx and it is just an outdated form factor.

• the problem with going matx is that you instantly lose 3 slots which is a huge drop and requires a big decision.

• mdtx might be a better option since you get to keep 2 slots instead of having only 1 and it's ONLY about 1 inch longer while keeping the same width

this makes

atx, matx, mdtx, and itx all competitive form factors

also meaning that all ssi boards are situational. eatx seems to be a horrible option because it is bigger for no reason while ceb mbs are competitive for situational dual cpu users. ssi-meb also seems even larger for no reason and seems to be outdated.

as for xlatx and hptx. they dont seem to be used often. and dont seem to be relavent

[vale mulch]

bump this

[hot mural]

I'm way late to the party with this. But if money is no option, unless you "WANT", to build your own pc, I would go pre-built. It allows you to customize so much more then the parts, and you could obtain any color combination you want, with custom water loops to match. I would normally not recomend this, but given your unlimited budget, why not.

[vale mulch]

when i saw this i was happy.

[vale mulch]

from what ive seen pre builts look like good budget options with decent parts. but not the best parts

[turbid elm]

Why?

[vale mulch]

good deals and i get 10% off at walmart

and i could get 25% off one item

[vale mulch]

cause theres too many form factors

and now i understanddd

[hot mural]

Depends on which pre-built you go through. But some offer custom paint jobs, lighting, 5 year complete warranty, and use some of the best parts money can buy.

[vale mulch]

how is a prebuild more customizeable

[turbid elm]

Lol those are only the standard ones. I’m pretty sure evga, or a server manufacturer invented one for some mega server

[hot mural]

You pay a premium, but would give you a one of a kind pc you normally couldn't make yourself.

[vale mulch]

oh you mean the fancy like hire LTT to build you a pc type pcs

[turbid elm]

No, prebuilts’ price to performance is shit

[vale mulch]

i wouldnt call those prebuilds. i guess i would call them custom pcs

[hot mural]

I'll give an example, Falcon NW, if they are still around, let you paint your pc using the same paint they used on the original batmobile, and you got a certificate and everything.

[vale mulch]

i considered prebuilds because of all the work i wouldnt have to do to learn all this lol

[vale mulch]

yeah those are just custom pcs i wouldnt call them prebuilds

cause they arent really prebuilt at all

[hot mural]

YA DONT SAY ???

We all know that. But with an unlimited budget, it could allow her to do custom loops, something she could normally never do herself.

[vale mulch]

yeah but the prebuilds you can buy at walmart. are a good price. they just have mediocre parts.

[hot mural]

Pre-built/ custom pc are kinda the same terminology used around here. You order your pc via a website instead of shopping on like Newegg etc

[vale mulch]

im already in this too deep

plus doing research on the "best prebuilt pc" is hard enough

i cant even find the best laptop lmao

[hot mural]

https://www.falcon-nw.com/

[vale mulch]

every time i bring up laptop parameters i get yelled at

but my requirements for laptops are much simpler

[hot mural]

Too many elitists in this discord if you ask me.

Laptops are fine, just realize you are paying a premium for the mobility.

[turbid elm]

I would not recommend a custom loop for a first time builder

[hot mural]

I feel like even though we are speaking English creeper, you are not understanding me

[vale mulch]

i guess i sort of take pre-built to mean a pc thats already built for you with random parts so you dont have to pick parts or build it and they are mass produced and usually sold in retail which attracts families and kids and college students.

it attracted me too cause idk anything about pcs. but ig i cant say that anymore

[hot mural]

Yeah, pre-built can mean custom, and vice versa, but typically you are right

But it can open a new venue to you, you normally would struggle with doing.

[turbid elm]

Regardless of who builds the custom loop, you, or someone else, there is a lot more maintenance involved than an air cooled system

[vale mulch]

i would never call those retail prebuilds custom.

[hot mural]

I'm only offering this because you said you have an unlimited budget

[vale mulch]

but yeah a custom pc is technically pre built for you so technically it is a prebuild

[hot mural]

Yup lol

[vale mulch]

i watched that 100k custom pc LTT did

that was fun.

except it was a 5k pc

[hot mural]

I can promise you could easily drop 15k at falcon nw

[vale mulch]

and 95k water cooling full metal desk pc

which is cool. desk pcs are big money

[hot mural]

Yeah there are some places that can do this for you. Falcon does it I know that but you have to reach out directly

[turbid elm]

It’s also been a dream of dream (lol) to build a custom pc since 2013.

[vale mulch]

yeah this is good to know for cosmetics. thank you.

[hot mural]

Yup, falcon nw still offers UV custom paint jobs. You can send them what you might want even, and they can slap it on with some premo paint

[turbid elm]

Imo, just because a budget limit doesn’t exist, it doesn’t mean we should try to spend more money than necessary.

[vale mulch]

yeah im in too deep. im already getting through motherboards. so a prebuilt is out of the question. and i actually dont have 100k for a LTT hired pc or even 20k for a hired custom pc. alot of the money goes towards labor. and in the case of LTTs video. none of it went to labor. i guess im choosing to build it to save money but get the best value by choosing the best parts.

[hot mural]

True, but that's not for you decide, what she asked for was options. I'm providing one she never knew existed.@turbid elm

[vale mulch]

at first i was just gonna put all the parts in a cheap case.

i thought the best parts would range up to 20k

i was wrong when i first started

i think the most maxed out stuff is only gonna be 6k really now

[hot mural]

Naw, even going best of the best, you'll spend 20k but have like, entirely too much ram, too much storage, too fancy of a motherboard etc etc

[vale mulch]

and im already saving money by going 7950x3d which is funny to say.

instead of a $1000 cpu with the ks

[turbid elm]

Dang, that’s hella expensive

[vale mulch]

how do motherboards even get fancy

i still dont get motherboard scaling

[hot mural]

Yeah, alot is overkill, especially if you are just gaming. I made a 4k$ pc about 10 years ago that lasted me 7 years, so, yeah .....

[vale mulch]

i want to pay for overkill specs. not overkill cosmetics.

but there might be room for overkill cosmetics

idk yet tho

[hot mural]

I mean, a 13900k, with a 4090, is basically going to last you EASILY 5 years +

[turbid elm]

much nvme and pcie slots, chipsets (2 instead of 1), etc

[vale mulch]

good thank god. i went and did better.

[turbid elm]

Bruh what is it with people and trying to futureproof…..it’s not worth it

[vale mulch]

13900k wont be able to upgrade. so if i upgrade with am5 that should extend my 5 year + by about 3 years.

[hot mural]

I have always future proofed my pcs and have done just fine.

[vale mulch]

how did you do that

[hot mural]

I just spend more in the beginning.

[vale mulch]

outside of just getting ridiculous specs that seemed like you didnt need

[vale mulch]

yess

so thats the only way to future proof then

[hot mural]

You basically have two options. 1, spend alot now, get alot of mileage from the pc.

2, spend budget conscious, and upgrade over the years.

[vale mulch]

the only problem might be if you had a ram thats future proofed for 30 years. and then the mb wasnt compat in the next 10

so then both need to go after 10 years

[hot mural]

Ram is ddr5 now, you will be getting a ddr5 board, so that won't matter

Ddr4 has been used for like 15 years

[turbid elm]

Amd has a history of staying on the same socket for ages. An x670 motherboard would last quite a while through cpu upgrades, unless it dies

[hot mural]

Which is fine, so she would still have the option to upgrade later. It just won't be the "Best" at that point, but would still be an upgrade most likely

[vale mulch]

good im doing 1 and have been doing 1. i have no intent with 2 unless yknow after 10 years. if my sockets and stuff get maxed out and the pc has no where else to go. i might end up getting the eventual best cpu and the eventual best that is still compat in 10 years or whatever. the cieling might be reached in 5 years or sooner than 10 but yeah

[hot mural]

For me I've always preferred intel. I've had too many issues with amd drivers for their gpus, memory issues with their cpus etc etc.... so I steer clear. Personal preference.

[turbid elm]

But that doesn’t mean you didn’t waste money

[vale mulch]

oh good. so when did ddr5 start

i knew i was on ddr5

[hot mural]

Very recently, you don't need to worry about ram changing for some time.

[vale mulch]

but its hard to have foresight without ever having a pc that died. or aged

i only have had a laptop that died and aged. and its mostly cause i cant go in and work with any of its hardware

[hot mural]

That's not for you to decide. You have to change the way you are thinking, and put yourself in others shoes. What works for you, doesn't always work for others.

[vale mulch]

do you have a date or a source

[hot mural]

2021

[vale mulch]

im okay with wasting some money.

[hot mural]

Ddr6 is set to enter productivity in 2026, so .... 2010 at the earliest id imagine.

[vale mulch]

but $400 on a 13900ks tho. ill be fine and dandy with a $700 cpu instead

13900ks is all around better tho

it's productivity is much better.

[hot mural]

For Intel, oh yeah lol

[vale mulch]

i just dont know how far back the gaming performance is compared to the 7950x3d or the 7800x3d

and with intel amd war its hard to find unbiased people

[hot mural]

I'm not the bee all end all of knowledge with pcs. But I can tell you this. The amount you are dropping and these parts you are getting, you will have the best pc for gaming and productivity for many years to come. Running max settings 2k resolution 120 fps+

[vale mulch]

because they are joking when they say the 13900k is even close in gaming

its not in the same tier

its in the tier directly below

lol

[hot mural]

AMD imo, does better then Intel atm

[vale mulch]

in gaming yes

[hot mural]

Yes

[proud rapids]

7800x3d is better for gaming then any other cpu

[heavy wolf]

I feel like gaming is affected more by a top tier gpu then productivity. Numbers wise anyways

[hot mural]

But not by much, you need to realize, 5 or 10 fps doesn't matter when you are pulling 200+

[vale mulch]

yeah but not by a huge amount

[heavy wolf]

Sometimes it does

But yeah true

[hot mural]

5 fps never matters when you are above 200

[turbid elm]

If people are asking for recommendations, I’m going to tell them not to futureproof

[vale mulch]

and the 7800 is awful in productivity

[vale mulch]

what are the negatives of future proofing

[hot mural]

I mean, you do you booboo@turbid elm

[proud rapids]

im running a 13900kf and 3080 so upgrading my cpu will not change my fps at all so im better upgrading my gpu

[vale mulch]

because ive heard a lot of people say future proofing doesnt exist

[vale mulch]

no reason to upgrade imo

[heavy wolf]

It does exist, but you can’t buy top tier stuff now and expect them to last 10+ years

[turbid elm]

Needlessly spending extra money

[vale mulch]

the 13900kf is very similar to the 13900k

[turbid elm]

Yes. The only difference is the kf doesn’t have integrated graphics

[hot mural]

Futureproofing is what us non rich folk say when we end up spending too much on a pc so we need to save 5+ years for another at least.

[vale mulch]

you are basically getting the top 2nd tier of gaming right now

[vale mulch]

exactly

[proud rapids]

i don't need to but i want to even though im only playing at 1080

[vale mulch]

i do wonder why someone would need to save $50 i would have just done the k

[hot mural]

But the parts you are getting, dream, you will be good for 5 years. Guranteed. Unless something breaks.

[vale mulch]

but being money conscious is good too

[hot mural]

Right, don't buy that 1000$ motherboard

You dont need 50 tb of storage, or 500 gigs of ram

[turbid elm]

Yeah, the integrated graphics can be a godsend for troubleshooting, and intel qsv (quick sync video) will boost streaming and video editing performance

[heavy wolf]

How I look at future proofing is making sure that upgrades are actually possible in the years to come

[vale mulch]

awe dont. just wait it out. youll be okay.

the 3080 should have been a good gpu with that name

[hot mural]

But if you go 13900k or an amd equivalent.... paired with a 4090, and you get good ram... you will be good for 5+ years

[vale mulch]

isnt the 3090 like the best gpu last gen

[hot mural]

That's the morale of the story with what you are getting.

Some people upgrade every year or six months

[turbid elm]

Ok, that is a sensible way to futureproof. Buying an over spec psu would actually last you 10+ years. Some of them (such as seasonic) I think have 13 year warenties

[vale mulch]

exactly. ig and wifi are important for me in case of issues. PLUS it means i can sort of get started without the dedicated.

[heavy wolf]

Yeah true. Like my brothers mobo wasn’t future proofed which really fucked him over

[vale mulch]

yep 13 years

this is very important to me

[hot mural]

I'm still using the same 1300 watt psu I had with my 6700k build. Going on 9 years.

Seasonic honored one warranty with it so, basically have a new one.

[vale mulch]

which is why i needed to explain my budget on this post in such a way because i really want a badass psu

for those exact reasons

like HOW could a psu become outdated if you put money towards it.

[hot mural]

They have a tier list for psu.... so long as you get an A or higher tier you are set

[turbid elm]

I am so glad amd added “integrated graphics” to am5, even tho they’re very shit for anything besides displaying an image. If your gpu dies, you can still use your pc for browser tasks and such

[hot mural]

Outdated, like, how they have 12vhpwr slots on the psu's now.

[turbid elm]

It’s not, until the 12 volt standard becomes fully implemented. Then it’ll be a hell of a time for new builders trying to find the difference between them.

[vale mulch]

so is there any reason to go dual cpu or quad cpu? i have heard crossfire is dead and so dual gpu is dead but like WHY

[hot mural]

They just add extra features

Dont get me started on the 12vhpwr system of delivery

At least how nvidia handled it anyway

[vale mulch]

my goal is pretty much set on titanium

[hot mural]

Lol, ok

Do you plan on doing massive overclocking?

[turbid elm]

Hell no. definitely not for gaming anyway. And 16 cores are all you need. As to why sli is dead, not enough games supported it, because of how few people actually used multiple gpus, which lead to EVEN fewer games being made sli ready

[vale mulch]

what is sli

[hot mural]

Basically 2 gpus working as one

[turbid elm]

Nvidia’s multi-gpu system for gaming. Amd’s version is crossfire.

[vale mulch]

OHHHHH

TY

[hot mural]

You could do things like setting one gpu to handle physix, the other handled the game etc.

[vale mulch]

okay so multigpu is the proper neutral term

[vale mulch]

so games stopped supporting sli but also crossfire

[hot mural]

@vale mulch unless you plan on doing massive overclocking, you can save $$$ by going gold or platinum for your psu. You won't notice anything and they are amazing performers still.

[vale mulch]

is sli an acronym like SLI

[turbid elm]

It does still kinda exist for data processing in the form of the “nvlink” connector on nvidias quadro, or enterprise gpus. Some of them can have up to three connectors

[vale mulch]

and if so what does it stand for

[turbid elm]

I believe so

[vale mulch]

someone mentioned nvlink earlier. what is that.

[turbid elm]

“Scalable link interface”

[vale mulch]

amd has better names confirmed

[turbid elm]

Fr lol

[turbid elm]

Sli is the gaming specific one, while I think nvlink refers to the protocol (form of data processing) on the connector as well as the connector that the enterprise Quadro gpus use

[vale mulch]

okay so like i understand these industrial cpu and gpus and the existence of dual cpu quad cpu and dual gpu but why on earth would a big industry company need this. are they gaming lmao

[turbid elm]

Large file servers, and data processing, such as AI

[vale mulch]

oh i intend on using AI

getting more advanced with it too

[turbid elm]

By that AI, I mean openai’s basically dedicated datacenters for supplying ChatGPT to all of its millions of users

Linus’s backup server for just his studio uses a dual epyc (amds enterprise cpu) server

[vale mulch]

so nvlink is intel too

[turbid elm]

Maybe

Idk

[vale mulch]

and quad gpus is a thing too?

[turbid elm]

What do you mean “a thing”. If you mean slotting in 4 gpus to your motherboard and connecting them, then no

[vale mulch]

oh what is quadro gpu then

[crystal atlas]

Just a naming scheme

[vale mulch]

oh so quadro is the name

[turbid elm]

Nvidias enterprise gpus

[vale mulch]

oh like industrial chipsets?

[turbid elm]

Speedy boi servers with all the gpus
https://youtube.com/watch?v=uifoj9iuTDw