I am building my first PC ever

[low nexus]

depends

no effect basically

[vale mulch]

cause servers run 24 7 too huh

[low nexus]

yeah

[vale mulch]

so it should be okay

of course if its 24 7 thats power draw

[low nexus]

ive seen people with systems on for months on end

[vale mulch]

will heat spike for no reason

[rose sentinel]

Yeah

[low nexus]

depends

[vernal kettle]

Depends

[low nexus]

it can happen

[rose sentinel]

There’s people who never turn theirs off and still runs fine

[vernal kettle]

Nuh uh

[vale mulch]

if it does while left on for 24 7 could an increase in heat fry your chip

[low nexus]

no

amd cpus can run at like 90c for weeks

[vernal kettle]

You have a pc not a server lol

[low nexus]

its not reccomended

but it survives it

[vale mulch]

how hot will my combo get

[low nexus]

not very hot

[vale mulch]

what parts generate heat

[low nexus]

cpu and gpu

[rose sentinel]

air flow

[vernal kettle]

Ssd

You

[low nexus]

all parts generate heat

[vernal kettle]

Your room

[low nexus]

cpu and gpu mostly tho

[rose sentinel]

Are putting it together? Or having someone build it?

[low nexus]

we are not that part yet

she doesnt know

[vernal kettle]

They work at walmart

[neon lava]

@vale mulch have you purchased anything yet?

[low nexus]

they havent

[rose sentinel]

I guess

But that ups or how havre it’s called is pretty damn nice

Didn’t know this existed

[low nexus]

they are useful

[vernal kettle]

They will never lol

[low nexus]

oh well

[rose sentinel]

24g vram omg 😂 play on ultra rtx with out any hinder

[low nexus]

good for ai

[rose sentinel]

This build is baller

[low nexus]

if you read the entire thread

youll know the journey

i wish i could work but i cant get a job anywhere due to location

[vernal kettle]

Poor guy

[low nexus]

how am i meant to drain my wallet if ive got no wallet to drain

the struggles of life

[fierce spindle]

Anyone else feeling as if this PC is never gonna be made 😂

[stiff nexus]

It took me 3 years of dreaming and 6 months of making lists to get mine

Plus another 9ish months(I hope) to get a good monitor and gpu

[fierce spindle]

And by the time you made your list and you wanted to order a new gen was out and u started to doubt everything in life? Been there lol

[stiff nexus]

Ye.

[fierce spindle]

After building my first 2 PC's I learnt sometimes you just have to decide without thinking too much

With technology you can keep waiting forever

[lone scaffold]

and for her its havent even been a week

so she's getting there

[fierce spindle]

I still think we're just training some LTT pc AI bot here 😂

[pine totem]

Lmao True

Ngl i kinda want à New screen since mine has à big ass scratch

[fierce spindle]

Did u throw ur mouse at it?

I had a period where I needed a new mouse every 3 weeks. But then I got old and slow and I accepted thst I'm not good at games anymore 🤓

[pine totem]

Pc case

[pine totem]

I need one cause i be smoking mine

[stiff nexus]

Since 14th gen is coming out,and maybe even news or release of a 4090ti soon, I can see parts being bought at around Black Friday,and the whole thing done by maybe Christmas

At least that’s what I’d do/kinda did

[proper dove]

I think the 4090ti was cancelled

[austere shale]

It’s rumored for the beginning of 2024

[proper dove]

What about the 7950xtx

[austere shale]

No idea

[lone scaffold]

she said she couldnt wait a couple of month

[stiff nexus]

Cheap place holder card

I hear that Used 3070’s are cheap nowadays

[silver path]

Q1 or 4 of 2024

im pretty sure

[silver path]

fr

[vale mulch]

im just scared about release day too

like if i wait all that time

and then it goes out of stock because of bots

within like 1 hour

[thorn vigil]

7950x and a xtx done add rest of parts lol seasonic evga or superflower PSU 1300-1600 but fk it add a second power mod for the gpu , godlike or ace mobo 64gb ddr5 6k patriot viper or trident z neo artic liquid freezer 2 420mm with kyronaught with thermal paste actually applied right, mini internal screen with die sensors to each piece of hardware id go with lian li for the case i guess not sure can never choose a case, all gen 4 and gen 5 nvmes mobo verticle gpu mount and all static pressure fans unless case need a high airflow fan i guess? id get a noctua static pressure 2200rpm all fans in system cables from cable mod and Samsung odyssey g7 240 prob forgetting parts but u get the picture

[vale mulch]

7950x seems like the safer route but i am a risk taker. also a lot of the videos on the 7950x3d seem to have actually been user error and motherboard issues especially for pc builders with upgrade issues

[lone scaffold]

cpus dont go out of stocks at release

[vale mulch]

this will be a brand new build from scratch so i think the 7950x3d works great here

[lone scaffold]

at least i think they dont

gpu on the other hand

[vale mulch]

ohh okay

yeah

i thought you guys meant gpu

[lone scaffold]

i mean

the closest new thing to come out is the intel 14th series

[thorn vigil]

stacked vcache nah

[vale mulch]

xtx is good. i know linus is going xtx. but tbh if im gonna spend $1000 for 4080 specs i would rather just get the 4090 for an extra $600

[thorn vigil]

id 13900k 4090 otherwise

[lone scaffold]

4090 ti will come out next year if it's not already cancelled

[thorn vigil]

my xtx runs cicles on a 4090

lol

[vale mulch]

so its not just me, but jayztwocents also disliked the 13900k and this is because the 13900k is already a lower tier than the 7950x3d

a better comparison would be the 13900ks

intels best cpu right now

it's just overpriced

i still like the idea of the 13900ks

but i dont like

[thorn vigil]

the power is insannneeee

but hell have like 15 grand left over lol

[vale mulch]

• lga1700
• the bad performance / price it's a bad deal.
• poor efficiency relative to competition

[thorn vigil]

stacked vcache = stupid

[vale mulch]

minor over all

[thorn vigil]

reason i have a 7950 and a xtx combo

[vale mulch]

but lga1700 is a big no for me

[thorn vigil]

10nm still......

refresh finna suck

[vale mulch]

money is whatever and i could look past the power draw and heat

[thorn vigil]

okay

my advice

seasonic 1300 is more then yull need

64gb of the ddr5 patriot venom viper 6k or trident z neo

[vale mulch]

but with the 7950x3d these issues arent present.
i just dont like

• all the paranoia of the cpu in general and the stigma that surrounds it

[thorn vigil]

for case

ur gonna laugh

but its sitting in my 4k comp lol

[vale mulch]

its also a bit overpriced but not as bad as the ks

[thorn vigil]

ks is just a worse binned 1900

13900

[vale mulch]

im not too knowledgeable about ram

[thorn vigil]

landcool 216 airflow

[vale mulch]

and idk what binned means

or landcool

[thorn vigil]

ram i have spent months tuning

[proper dove]

Its a lian li case

[thorn vigil]

debauer is a joke when it comes to timing

[vale mulch]

whats lian li mean

[proper dove]

Its a brand

[thorn vigil]

lancool 216 rw rgb

1 reason

[vale mulch]

ik debauer hes that german guy

[thorn vigil]

gpu fan

hes very nice

[proper dove]

Lian li makes cases and fans

[strange ferry]

Fan hubs

[thorn vigil]

but my ram timing and ram latency still lower and tighter

[proper dove]

Overrated imo

[strange ferry]

Fan accesories

Yk

[thorn vigil]

whats ovverated

[proper dove]

Lian Li

[thorn vigil]

very

that one case though

just that one

[proper dove]

Fractal Design is the goat

[austere shale]

I think they have good cases though

[thorn vigil]

only lian li product ive ever got lmfao

[vale mulch]

i just want a pink case

[thorn vigil]

pink can be even doper 1 sec

which couty?

[vale mulch]

im in wood county

in ohio

[thorn vigil]

oh shit yeah sorry read that

me n mgk colson go way back

and toleto is just by annarbor i frequent there

[vale mulch]

oh wow

ann arbor is pretty

[proper dove]

How about Fractal Design pop air?

[vale mulch]

toledo not so much lol

[proper dove]

Its black and pink

[austere shale]

I’ve seen people send panels of their cases to be powder coated

Maybe something you want to consider if you can’t find a pink case you don’t like

[vale mulch]

whatttttt

powder coated sounds so cute

[austere shale]

Oh

It’s a finishing process

It’s just a fancy way of painting something

Idk if you’ve touched painted metal surfaces that have a rough texture

But that’s what a powder coated part feels like

[vale mulch]

why do cuda cores go to like 16k and cpu cores are like 4 lmao

[silver path]

cos cuda cores are literally just transistos

a core is about 1k transistors

cpus have way more complex things

[vale mulch]

but i thought number of transistors was a completely different spec

ohhh

[silver path]

it is its the way theyre arranged

[vernal kettle]

i dont see who will buy a 5090 once it get out lol

[silver path]

these are amd cores for eg

[silver path]

this is gpus at least from nvidia

[low nexus]

i make all diabetic people quiver in fear

[silver path]

how

[low nexus]

half a kg of candy

yum yum

[silver path]

i ate a whole pack of oreos in 2 minutes

diabetes speedrun

[low nexus]

oreos aint that much

[silver path]

im opening another rn

[silver path]

also 5 kit kats]

[low nexus]

im mostly eating gummies

so its like pure sugar

i got blue rasperry candies

[silver path]

yeah

but programs prefer diff brands

like fortnite runs shit on any amd card

it was made for nvidia

[vernal kettle]

i eat gello

with ice cream in it without forgetting the gummies

a macdo nearby

[lone scaffold]

people who wants the best

they exist

and thats why the 4090 got sold out after launch

but not the 4080

[vernal kettle]

anyways

[lone scaffold]

i think that you have a tiny perf boost if you pair amd cpu and amd gpu

like they have something that i dont remember the name of

[vernal kettle]

sam

smart access memory

[lone scaffold]

ah yes

[lone scaffold]

https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/smart-access-memory

[vernal kettle]

cpu get access to gpu memory

[silver path]

theres a thing called rebar?

rebar works the same

[vernal kettle]

izk

[silver path]

what

[vernal kettle]

i zont know

[silver path]

not a thing

[vernal kettle]

really for 1-2% its not worth it lol

[silver path]

Resizable BAR is an optional PCI Express interface technology that allows the PCIe device, such as a discrete graphics card, to negotiate the BAR size to optimize system resources.2 It essentially makes the entirety of the graphics frame buffer accessible to the CPU at once, resulting in faster loading of textures, shaders, and geometry, resulting in higher frame rates and faster gameplay.0 Resizable BAR has been part of the PCI Express specification for some time, but only now have manufacturers enabled it for use on the latest graphics cards, motherboards, and processors.3 It is a term specific to NVIDIA's GPUs, but AMD has its own version of the same technology called Smart Access Memory or SAM

[silver path]

it is and its not 1-2 its more likw 10-15

[vernal kettle]

its somes cap

[silver path]

SAM is a ripoff of rebar lol

[vernal kettle]

for low cpu yes

[silver path]

especially for intel gpu

[silver path]

no even for a 7950x i tested it

[vernal kettle]

whatever

[low nexus]

resizeable bar

[silver path]

yes

[silver path]

if you have no clue abt rebar idk if you should reccomend shit to a first timer builder

rebar is literally necessary nowadays usually especially with arc gpus

[low nexus]

rebar very useful

[turbid elm]

Yes, yes it is

[vernal kettle]

What did i said?

i said i dont know

about rebar

[silver path]

so dont give advice

simple as

[vernal kettle]

which advice did i gave?

i give my personal opinions

just like you do

[silver path]

im not saying you did im saying you shouldnt

[vernal kettle]

ok

[vernal kettle]

like you said it could add performant 10-15%, but it depends of the specs and 15% is the max it could give

[silver path]

for intel arc gpus it can give up to 50

[vernal kettle]

yes but why are you talking of arc gpu?

[silver path]

because

[vernal kettle]

i was talking about his system

[fierce spindle]

That wont happen, unless theres a very sudden urge to start up new crypto mines, but lets be real: that wont happen again.
Or if the elements destroy a chip factory, but lets be positive and say that wont happen either.
Covid + chip shortage + the crypto mine boom was a very unfortunate series of events coming together.

[vernal kettle]

do you think a 7950x3d + 7900xtx will get + 10% ?

personaally i do not think so

[silver path]

a 7950x and 4090 got +5

ik cos that is my friends build i benchmarked

with and without resizable bar

[vernal kettle]

ok do you think its far from 1-2% ?

[silver path]

fps wise yes

i got 10-20fps boost and 2-5% diff in pass mark scores

iirc

[vernal kettle]

ok

[thorn vigil]

That's one lol

5nvme 2hdd 2ssd 13 fans... Pure power

[low nexus]

pc

[thorn vigil]

+200 on pbo 1.3v 5.3ccd0 and 5.25ccd1 with medium load enabled and LLC level 5 out of 8 at 120% reg max temp 100% workload 80 evenafter 30 min test and daily driver at 1.1 5ghz all core

dynamic oc switcher is actually great same with tweakers

[fierce spindle]

I need that, my gpu (or its fans, not sure yet) has a very annoying coil whine. But I am lazy

[thorn vigil]

coil whine is another thing ive never had with power color

from 500 -700 series

7000

but i get all my part diferntly

[thorn vigil]

Although I think my ears are horrible sooo yah

[trim barn]

tinnitus?

I think I have it worse lol prob why I can handle coil whine and loud pcs

[fierce spindle]

I dont mind a steady continuous sound. But on this GPU i bought u hear it once its at a certain load, but the pitch changes depending on how heavy the load is 🥲

[trim barn]

correction I have tinnitus lol not think

wait

ahh

brain moment

[thorn vigil]

yeah i just have horrible hearing and i still havnt had an issue with power color ever even right to the ear bc yes... ive tried

[vale mulch]

yep i knew this one

some are neutral

[low nexus]

eeeeeeeeeeeee moment

thats why i have loud fans

[trim barn]

lol that is why I run 100% lo,l.

[low nexus]

i was thinking of getting server grade 120mm 4000rpm 200 cfm molex fans

but they drew 36W each

and also it would sound like a literal jet taking off

ive got a 4000rpm 80mm and u can hear it across the hallway

[trim barn]

I have one lol 5300rpm

[vale mulch]

ive definitely narrowed it down to either the 4090 or the xtx

the 4080 is a horrible gpu. no reason to buy it

[pine totem]

You do ai, you get nvidia

[vale mulch]

yeah i read into that too

i misread the topazai graph

what is gpgpu?

the xtx seems to be better at this

i also hate how AMD markets that its gpu will perform better if you match it with an amd cpu

it makes me really want to consider matching parts

[proud rapids]

Don’t go and it’s terrible for so

Ai*

[vale mulch]

sorry can you say that again

[proud rapids]

Don’t go for amd it’s terrible of ai

[vale mulch]

yeah ik

my reasons for xtx are dwindling.

idk how linus could choose the xtx even if its a rebellion thing

i mean i hate nvidia too from the history ive read up on.

everyone seems to look at nvidia as actually evil when compared to even intel

but a better gpu is better

if amd is better the numbers will show that one day. amd as a company does similar things as nvidia but i like amd as a company much more. i hope they close the gap in market share in the next 10 to 20 years. itd be more interesting.

[trim barn]

same but at the same time I can't really switch from them. I'm so use to editing on my macbook I forgot I used CUDA most of the time before so that is gonna be one thing keeping me in the loop

[trim barn]

and as I mentioned in tech chat 1 in the morning my workflow does revolve around nvidia soooo I can't do much

[vale mulch]

so the gpgpu is the cpu inside of the gpu ig

the xtx gpgpu did better in one benchmark lol but its a score so not even real metrics really

[vale mulch]

nvidia has cuda cores.

theres seems to be more to cuda than just the name of the cores.

what is cuda in more details?

does amd not have cuda cores? i know they have like 10,000 less gpu cores

[trim barn]

uhh that I do not know but I will leave this as my reference lol

and I work with Blackmagic and Red Camera footage soo self explanatory

[vale mulch]

rip 7900 xt

didnt even make the list

[trim barn]

[vale mulch]

how did the 3080 get up there lmao

[pine totem]

Magic

[vale mulch]

i probably shouldnt consider a last gen gpu

[pine totem]

You should

[vale mulch]

especially anything less than 16 gb if im doing 4k streaming

[trim barn]

and I use a 3070 which plows through my stuff without problem

maybe blackmagic braw becomes a problem sometimes but it is doable

[vale mulch]

i need answers lol

bad

im so confused

[vale mulch]

okay so i think i figured it out

SAM is a technology that amd uses

resizeable bar is one that nvidia uses

neither of them are made by them

but they are the same thing

SAM stands for smart access memory

and what they do is basically try to make cpu and gpu matching a thing

with SAM you need a amd cpu and a amd gpu

with Resizeable bar you need intel and nvidia.

and its built into the PCI ig

but they basically dont work

maybe 1 or 2 frames for some games but you might also lose 1 or 2 frames ig

[turbid elm]

Or intel and intel probably

Arc gpus basically NEED rebar to function

[trim barn]

I am speed

[proper dove]

How loud is that lmao

[trim barn]

my portable ac beats it by a long shot

lol

so not too loud

but can be heard across the house

[vale mulch]

this would probably work.

also ive decided on 4090 for sure

just gotta pick an AIB now

[trim barn]

lol when exhaust fan has fan grill

those blades will injure so

[turbid elm]

what?

[trim barn]

5000rpm server fan vs fingers which will win

[turbid elm]

oh

speedy boy

[trim barn]

yep and I have been hurt by that fan too before once

didn't have the fan grill on but I learned

[turbid elm]

makes sense

[trim barn]

but I did swap over to my EK Basic 240 aio from my noctua cooler....I think the noctua does better lol but all black rig

though 55-60c idle is apparently normal

[vale mulch]

im looking into whats better

AIBs or founders edition

[crystal atlas]

This has far too many comments

Good job on #1 comments

I really thought team Micheal would have had it for a while longer

[trim barn]

nope it was a loosing battle

fast one

but at least we have 2 dominant threads

[crystal atlas]

That’s true

Probably the most comments of the battlestation threads

[trim barn]

should someone make one in tech support

domination

[vale mulch]

im sorry

its been a huge dream of mine tho since 2013.

i give up every time

this is the farthest ive ever gotten

[trim barn]

hey and that is good, we're here to help

lol if you brought it to public chat it would be hell hole we chill

[vale mulch]

i tried public chat at first

lmao

[crystal atlas]

Bad idea

Never try public chat

There are literally 4 channels I look at here

Someone type one message

[trim barn]

one message has been typed

[crystal atlas]

4444

[trim barn]

best achievement

[crystal atlas]

Fr

Do y’all know if rety still exists here?

[trim barn]

rety?

[crystal atlas]

The guy

[vale mulch]

alright now i am off

so ig amd doesnt have cuda cores

amd has stream

[crystal atlas]

Yeah

[turbid elm]

This has 4000+ messages, but what exactly has been decided upon?

[trim barn]

lol

[turbid elm]

i dont want to read through it all

[turbid elm]

agreed, we are here to help

[fierce spindle]

Almost CPU and almost what series GPU, but not if its gonna be air or water cooled 😀

[crystal atlas]

Sometimes

Air is far cheaper and within a few % of performance

[turbid elm]

oh no

what cant you decide

or is it people trying to lower the budget

[fierce spindle]

She just wanna learn EVERYTHING. Its more about that than actually building a PC. You start with "whats a GPU" and u end up in quantum physics and 7 dimension theories. Its been a weird but interesting ride

[turbid elm]

ohhh ok

thats interesting

[vernal kettle]

Proxinus sinus

[vale mulch]

i think i am staying firm on 7950x3d and 4090

im just trying to decide now if i want a founders edition or a AIB

im learning about tensor cores right now

[turbid elm]

here is a list of most 4090 aib's
https://appuals.com/rtx-40-every-aib-gpu/

[vale mulch]

are AIBs better than founders edition

cause you would think partners would be worse than the OG

[turbid elm]

it depends on the card. some aibs will overclock the cards, others will massively overengineer the cooling solution

[vale mulch]

ik the gpu is just the housing and cooling

which i never knew before

that's what AIBs build

i knew about the chipsets tho too

[turbid elm]

take msi for example, with their liquid supreme 4090. it has a 240mm radiator attached

[vale mulch]

ik amd has chiplet technology but i dont think im going xtx

what is a radiator

ive heard that term tossed around for metrics on pcpp for cooler

[crystal atlas]

its used to cool water that passes through it

it will suck in cool air

and pass it over the water

(very sdimplified, I know)

[vale mulch]

ive heard of water coolers

for like the whole tower

but not built into the gpu

is that correct

[crystal atlas]

yeah you can get a small radiator attatched to some tubes that attach to a block that pushes the cold water over the CPU to cool it

really over a copper plate that sits on top of the cpu

[turbid elm]

heres the card i was talking about. the radiator is the two fans on the right. it basically moves the heat away from the gpu core to a more conveneient location (such as the side of the case)

everyone, we gotta get this to 9001 messages

[crystal atlas]

we did alr pass 1337 didnt we

too bad

[trim barn]

hehe looks to be a 240 so front intake it is on my case

[vale mulch]

why 9001 or 1337

[trim barn]

9001 messages in this chat I guess lol

which hey I can do

[lone scaffold]

first you should look up if the founders editions ones are still available

because i dont think they are

they're the first to be released and usually dont last long for the flagship products

[silver path]

uh no

bro 4090 coolers are overbuilt as is

[silver path]

AIO not custom tho itd be a disaster if custom

[austere shale]

I wouldn’t bother with aio gpus

[turbid elm]

Uh no what?

[silver path]

watercooled 4090 shit

any aircooler 4090 is ovebuilt

my friends pny one keeps under 70 under full rendering load for a few hours

the aio will do the same but takes more voulme and looks uglier imo

the aio might even get hotter in cases

[austere shale]

Depending on the case you buy it’s possible the gpu or cpu radiator will have to use warm exhaust air from the pc

[stiff nexus]

Well it’s pny ofc it’s like that

[silver path]

its one of the thinnest /smallest 4090s

wait shit

its inno3d

lol

[vale mulch]

i could always buy used founders edition

[proper dove]

Buying used at your budget is insane

[stiff nexus]

Insane is too weak of a word

@vale mulch ur gonna custom water cool this whole thing

No ifs and buts

[trim barn]

go big or go home lol

[vale mulch]

im not sure yet. idj anything about coolers

but im off for 2 days so im gonna do a bunch of research at 10

might fo my makeup tho

[heavy mulch]

No lol "video ram"

[vernal kettle]

Vram

Fu u are right

[heavy mulch]

Also the term has changed. Historically it was used as only a frame buffer but now it's exclusively used for textures and other assets. The actual frame buffer is on the die in modern GPUs

[heavy mulch]

Aren't I always lol

[vernal kettle]

Oh

[heavy mulch]

Same with the term gpu as it was used as a 2d rendering buffer and sometimes video dma. Then it transformed into 2d acceleration like cursor and sprites. Then 3d acceleration. Now what a 1980s and early 90s gpu would be called a VPU as it has no hardware acceleration.

[stiff nexus]

Microcenter offers a custom water tubing thingy, where they do it all for u

[stiff nexus]

Yes sir. That’s why I’m wasting my money on a 4090 and a mini led monitor

[silver path]

no

shes new you idiot

its either she drowns her components and breaks everyone of them or gets away with a few leaks and a broken part

there is not gonna be a good ending considering how clueless she can be (no offence to her not eveybody has every bit of pc knowledge)

[silver path]

you are

[heavy mulch]

Lol

[silver path]

i mean custom is nuh uh

in this case the only watercooling id put in is a 360aio

like a z73 cos yes that cooler can easily keep the 7950x under 85

like i said tip top okay but not that tip top

[vale mulch]

can confirm that if i currently was forced to overclock or delid a cpu, i will break it

i have no idea what im doing outside of knowing that those words exist

[silver path]

so that is why aioooo

[vale mulch]

and that overclocking can be activated with one button

or something

im interested in learning how to overclock

i found 2 really good articles for founders edition vs AIB

but then i lost them

[silver path]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LdTNn6

[silver path]

no not nowadyays lol

[vale mulch]

is it harder now

[silver path]

wait wrong cpu

[vale mulch]

7800 is still good. definitely a much better price / performance

[silver path]

yes its more bios shenanigans but you can sak the board to automatcally overclock for you, it might be unstable or give diminishing resuts

[silver path]

yes i also added 10tb of ssds

cos yeah

[vale mulch]

and much better gaming than the 7950x. i wouldnt even recommend a 7950x to regular gamer people

[silver path]

why not

[silver path]

yeah and the 7800x3d is fine for cad and then the 4090 will never get bottlenecked

do you need a monitor too btw?

[vale mulch]

so theres different types of bottlenecks

a gpu bottleneck is really bad and it means your cpu basically sucks

a cpu bottleneck isnt that bad cause if your gpu is that good, then eventually the cpu will bottleneck. performance cant just keep increasing obviously

[silver path]

no botllenecks arent a thing scrap this if they are it depends a lot on games or use cases

[vale mulch]

is that right

prolly not for these parts but one day

[silver path]

like Teardown needs a 1st generation i5 and a gtx 1060 those components are like 8 yearts apart or so

and itd give you amazing performance in teardown

but not in other games

bottlenecks are sudjective

they appear and dissapear depending on game

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JWTNn6 heres a monitor too

its an ok panel msi makes good monitors

its also IPS is a good monitor type

it has amazing wieviing angles and colors

not as good as oled but oleds are expensive as shit

[vale mulch]

tyy for all this

[austere shale]

Might want to consider mini led too, but also quite expensive

[stiff nexus]

Did u not read what I said next?

[vale mulch]

what are "reference design cards"

[fierce spindle]

https://www.gpumag.com/reference-card-gpu/

[vale mulch]

so it's literally just a synonym for founders edition

[low nexus]

mhm

founders edition is nvidia

reference edition amd

[vale mulch]

oh so thats just what they call it

reference cards just mean made by them and the founders edition is just the name nvidia calls their reference cards

[low nexus]

ig

[vale mulch]

wdym

[low nexus]

idk my brain is fried

[vale mulch]

its okii

i havent had as much time to do research but i should now

im still looking into AIB vs reference cards

which is better etc

[low nexus]

ah

[vale mulch]

this article calling me out rn

[low nexus]

they want your credit card info

[vale mulch]

lmao

[low nexus]

sometimes i just wanna dislocate my shoulder so it stops aching

[vale mulch]

same

[low nexus]

wait

its 5pm,

ive been trying to fix this phone for 4 hours

[low nexus]

oh my

[vale mulch]

i didnt know you could use just a heatsink

[low nexus]

yeah

passive cooling

[vale mulch]

so reference cards are always cheaper

[low nexus]

most of the time yea

[vale mulch]

seems like they have to be

due to the msrp

[low nexus]

reference cards are also a pain in the ass to troubleshoot

[vale mulch]

why

how would you know

[low nexus]

extremely hard to take apart

[vale mulch]

why would you do that

[low nexus]

repasting

repadding the vrms

[vale mulch]

whats repasting

[low nexus]

putting new thermal paste on the gpu die

[vale mulch]

oh okay

whats repadding

[low nexus]

putting new thermal pads on the gpu

[vale mulch]

damn theres 2 things for thermal stuff

[low nexus]

yes

[vale mulch]

whats a die exactly

still confused about that

[low nexus]

its like the real cpu part basically

[vale mulch]

i thought a die was the size of a cpu pin and is basically a transistor

but ik thats gotta be wrong

[low nexus]

the die is the cpu

the metal part is the heatsink basically

but gpus do not need the metal part

so they can have direct die

[vale mulch]

so like ik what a cpu is

the tiny square pcbs

with a lid

is the die the whole cpu

or is it the lid

[stiff nexus]

The cpu is the die

The lid covers it

[vale mulch]

or is it the chip underneath the lid

[low nexus]

underneath the lid is where the die is

[vale mulch]

oh okay

[stiff nexus]

The chip is kinda the die

[vale mulch]

so is the die the whole pcb for the cpu or is it only a black box underneath the lid

[low nexus]

this is a delidded cpu, the metal part in the middle is the die

[stiff nexus]

The lid is the thingy on the front.
The lid covers the chip which is on top of The die which is the small thingy on the chip

This cpu shown has no lid

[vale mulch]

so not the whole pcb. not the lid. not the whole cpu.
its just a chip thing on the cpu

[stiff nexus]

Known as a delided cpu

[vale mulch]

does any other hardware have a die too?

[low nexus]

gpu

[stiff nexus]

Maybe some fancy ram?

[low nexus]

no

[vale mulch]

so just cpu and gpu then

[low nexus]

mhm

[vale mulch]

okay makes sense to me

[low nexus]

just the processing units

have dies

gpu= graphics processing unit
cpu= central processing unit

[vale mulch]

so like the cpu is the brains of the pc. but the chip inside hardware is the brains of the part

and in the case of cpu / gpu. the brains are called die which is a type of chip

[stiff nexus]

The chip is the cpu

[low nexus]

all of it is the cpu

[stiff nexus]

u can take off the lid and still call it a cpu

[fierce spindle]

The PCB's and cards they send out to partners are also called reference design cards.

[vale mulch]

i think thats another misnomer. people just call the cpu. the chip sometimes but its not actually a chip. it's like a chip for the pc. but a chip is just this i thought.

[stiff nexus]

@vale mulch you have a couple of options.

1. Have micro center build your pc with a aio/cooler.
2. Have micro center build a setup with a custom water tubing cooling system.
3. Build it yourself with only an aio/cooler

[vale mulch]

those little black boxes

[stiff nexus]

I’d pick 1 if I was rich

[vale mulch]

whats an AIO again

[low nexus]

all in one

all in one liquid cooling

[vale mulch]

is it free for microcenter to build it

[stiff nexus]

It’s a small ac that pumps cold water to a block which u place on top of the cpu

[low nexus]

you have to pay

[vale mulch]

how much is it

[low nexus]

its prolly like 200 for ur build

[vale mulch]

oh okii

i think im just gonna build it tho

[stiff nexus]

750 ish for a custom water tubing. 200 ish for an aio, and like 150 ish for just a heatsink

[vale mulch]

why so much for custom water tubing lol

[low nexus]

hands

[vale mulch]

i have those

[trim barn]

hands

[low nexus]

i have many

4

[vale mulch]

i want a fishnet shirt so bad

[stiff nexus]

It’s fun (I was sick while building it so it took me 3 days.a whole day was spent trying to connect my aio to my case )

[trim barn]

Lol the lazy me not wanting to turn on my pc so instead I just whip out laptop and chill on it for a couple hours

[low nexus]

lmao

my pc is under my desk but backwards

[stiff nexus]

Yo same.

[stiff nexus]

I’m a man so I don’t have much fashion sense,but no.

[low nexus]

i say yes

[vale mulch]

LMAO

that's insane to me

[stiff nexus]

I think it’s hard.

[vale mulch]

must be over 35 years

[low nexus]

old man

[stiff nexus]

I wish

[low nexus]

"back in my day"

[vale mulch]

no way you are 26 or younger

[stiff nexus]

Hehe

[low nexus]

i bet they are 14

[trim barn]

proceeds to open steam, but rememebrs non of the games in my libaray work on mac os

[stiff nexus]

I’d rather #%^#}%% myself than to be 14 again

[low nexus]

ah so ur 19

[vale mulch]

lmao

[low nexus]

maybe 15

[vale mulch]

id be shocked if they were 26 - 30

if not over 35. my final guess is 33

[low nexus]

drop an age reveal

[stiff nexus]

opens my laptop, then I realize the only game I can play on on this shitty thing is Minecraft(I then play for 15 hours)

[vale mulch]

age reveal

[stiff nexus]

Kinda funny on how wrong y’all are

[low nexus]

70

[vale mulch]

proof

[stiff nexus]

My body feels like I’m that

[low nexus]

ah ur 25

[vale mulch]

8 digit birthday rn

[low nexus]

i cant count past 5 whats that

[stiff nexus]

Dream,how does this ai thing of urs work,and what does it even do?

[vale mulch]

mine is 05191997

[fierce spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/thomas-the-tank-engine-trains-crash-wreck-fail-gif-3483319

^ this thread

[low nexus]

this sounds very close to a phone number lmao

[vale mulch]

maybe ill screen cap it on my new pc

end goal would be to get it off mobile lmao

[low nexus]

unless this is 19th of may 1997 then idk

you would be 26

[vale mulch]

it is

i am

[low nexus]

dayum

our birthday is basically a month apart

[vale mulch]

are you a taurus

[low nexus]

uh

thats the bull one

yes

[vale mulch]

oh so april

[low nexus]

mhm

[vale mulch]

april 22nd

[low nexus]

2 days off

[vale mulch]

damn

april 20th

[low nexus]

nuh uh

[vale mulch]

wow

my ex left me for someone who's birthday is april 20th

[low nexus]

my bad

[vale mulch]

dont be

yours is the 24th

[low nexus]

lmao

[vale mulch]

lmao

[low nexus]

my spine just factory reset what the hell

[vale mulch]

ooo

[low nexus]

next person to paypal me £2.50 gets nothing in return

[vale mulch]

so it seems that AIBs are better than RCs

[low nexus]

mhm

[vale mulch]

but RCs are good for budget

[low nexus]

yeah

because aibs are more decked out

[vale mulch]

RCs basically have the same performance tho, but might be -0to5%

oh so RCs cant have any lighting usually

so if you want something custom and aesthetic. you should get an AIB

oh thank god. ive been stuck on this for so long

i guess now would be a good idea to talk about aesthetics and cosmetics

and theme stuff

what kind of aesthetic options are out there

i know lighting is one option

[velvet falcon]

lighting, shapeish, designs on card pretty much it

paint job

a lot of the time most designs dont even matter unless you mount your card vertically cause you dont see most the card lmao

[low nexus]

i forgot to dye my hair today

whoops

guess i will be doing it tomorrow

[dusky flare]

this post became its own chat atp 💀 almost 5k messages in an hour

[trim barn]

there are 2 threads that are it's own so haha

[low nexus]

lmao

none of the pc has even been bought yet

[pine totem]

Michael pc already have many parts

[low nexus]

bonjour

[turbid elm]

The difference is that dream is learning about the components, not just building.

[pine totem]

Bonjour

[pine totem]

Eh

[turbid elm]

No that literally is the difference

[pine totem]

Eh, whats the point youre tryna make? Im just saying that Michael pc already has more parts

[turbid elm]

The difference between dream’s pc (which hasn’t begun to be purchased), and Michael’s (which has many parts purchased), is the fact that dream is trying to learn all about the components, while Michael is just buying them, because he already knows about them.

[pine totem]

Cool, i mean i never said the opposite lol

So no idea why youre telling me all that

[trim barn]

Just needs a second to think before pulling the trigger

[turbid elm]

Yeah

[pine totem]

Michael just see sum he like, and he buy

[vale mulch]

what about stickers

[vale mulch]

whats a chat atp

i like this comment cause OP is literally just hinting at how he seems to want to overclock despite saying he doesnt want to overclock lol

[vernal kettle]

whatever

[vale mulch]

yeah reference cards are ass

founders edition is ass

wow the rog strix is $2600 now

what does OC mean?

[trim barn]

overclocked

[vale mulch]

ohhh

so like factory overclocked

[trim barn]

ye

[vale mulch]

meaning its plug in play

so its overclocked after i open it

[trim barn]

[vale mulch]

right out the box

okay cool. i dont have to set it up either?

like in BIOS

[trim barn]

no I have a strix 2060 oc also

though I am running it on the quiet mode, I could switch it to performance but I need the fans to not spin at times

[trim barn]

on the strix and also tuf cards it has this little toggle switch for you to go between zero rpm mode (quiet) or performance where the fans just spin constantly

older stix cards

you'd have to restart your system for it to take effect

[vernal kettle]

Rule n°1

[pine totem]

?

[fierce spindle]

Do not talk about fight club

[muted token]

the most monster PC that you build this year will be handily beat by a midrange PC in 3 years. if you want monster performance forever get geforce now.

[fierce spindle]

Performance, yes.
Worste latency ever, also yes

I also dont think u can use ur monitor to its full potential.. or even half of its potential.. or even 25% of its potential.
It sucks rly hard actually 😂

[pine totem]

Geforce now ass

[lone scaffold]

i dont have fashion sense either and im 21

[austere shale]

Pcs in 2023 ass

[vernal kettle]

Yup

Expensive no perfomance kind of crappy for the money

[fierce spindle]

Compared to the 80's and 90's they are now cheap af for what u get.
Its all contextual 🤓

[vernal kettle]

🤓 money from before and now arent the same

[fierce spindle]

Exactly why

[vernal kettle]

I game on a raspberry pi

[pine totem]

Nuh uh

[vernal kettle]

https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1136652111162118174

Help me out guys

[austere shale]

No more gpu?

[vernal kettle]

Plan changed

[austere shale]

I see

[vernal kettle]

I forgot about school sadly

[pine totem]

Based

[austere shale]

TempleOS

[vale mulch]

so this website sucks. these reviews dont over valuable insight for me, but also this is all the AIBs i could find.

Asus ROG STRIX GAMING
Gigabyte GAMING
Asus ROG STRIX GAMING OC
NVIDIA Founders Edition
MSI RTX 4090 VENTUS 3X 24G OC
Palit GameRock OC
Gigabyte AORUS XTREME WATERFORCE
Asus ROG STRIX GAMING
Palit GameRock
MSI SUPRIM X
Asus TUF GAMING
MSI SUPRIM LIQUID
Asus TUF Gaming OG OC
Gigabyte AORUS MASTER
Gigabyte AERO OC
Gigabyte AERO OC
MSI SUPRIM LIQUID X
Asus TUF GAMING OC
MSI GAMING X TRIO
Zotac GAMING AMP Extreme AIRO
GALAX SG (1-Click OC)
Gigabyte GAMING OC
PNY XLR8 Gaming VERTO EPIC-X RGB
PNY VERTO
PNY XLR8 Gaming VERTO EPIC-X RGB OC
Zotac GAMING Trinity
Zotac GAMING Trinity OC
KFA2 ST (1-Click OC)
Asus ROG STRIX GAMING OC
MSI GAMING TRIO
Inno3D X3 OC
Inno3D iChill Black
Inno3D iChill X3
Gainward Phantom
MSI SUPRIM
MSI RTX 4090 GAMING X TRIO CLASSIC 24G
Gainward Phantom GS
Zotac GAMING AMP Extreme AIRO
Colorful iGame Neptune OC-V
KFA2 HOF
KFA2 ST V2 (1-Click OC)
Inno3D AX Gaming X3W
GALAX HOF
Inno3D AX Gaming X3W
Colorful iGame Vulcan OC-V
GALAX ST V2 (1-Click OC)
Colorful iGame Advanced OC-V
GALAX ST (1-Click OC)

ive decided to go with choosing an AIB because reference cards are pretty much worse in every way except that they are cheaper and so offer better price / performance. on a GPU that is already overpriced, this does matter, but since it is a halo tier product, i don't really care.

i have it sorted by price. so the most expensive is at the top

what i am noticing right away is how AIB partners will literally make more than 1 GPU using the same chipset

these are all 4090s btw

[fierce spindle]

Now ur at the point u gonna have to decide if u go for full watercooled pc or if you want an air cooled gpu lol

[vale mulch]

damn i dont know about that stuff but yeah i do notice, that it would narrow my decision here

also overclocking decision

lets start with OC

okay so, i feel like building my first pc wouldnt make me feel like im a techie until i learn to overclock. so how do you overclock?

[fierce spindle]

To be honest: GPU is one of the most important parts, yes, true, but its also the one u can decide as very last part.
Its easy to replace, its compatible with any mobo anyway, you just need a power supply providibg enough power for ur full system

[vale mulch]

oh i understand

[fierce spindle]

So.. decide on ur other parts first, then decide if u go for watercooling, then decide on gpu

Is what I would do

[trim barn]

welp dream looks like you have the biggest thread out of this channel

[vale mulch]

once you choose the chipset as long as things are compatible you can make last minute decisions as long as you aree careful and switch it out for maybe a sonic 4090 or some shit

[trim barn]

micheal's was closed

[vale mulch]

mine will be closed after i post the build

[pine totem]

Yeah dunno why

[trim barn]

but I think this one is more reasonable for what we are talkin about

[vale mulch]

i feel like all this would be a waste if people here didnt get to see the whole build

[fierce spindle]

Even the brand or series or gen of ur gpu doesnt rky matter. Anything will go

[pine totem]

Maybe cause that Guy went insane and started talking about some devious thing about mickey mouse

[vale mulch]

so definitely going to make a social media post for this and then take build pics

its a big deal for me

[trim barn]

go for it. big moment deserves a spotlight

[vale mulch]

i also dont really celebrate any holidays so this is nice.

any aib partners i should stay away from?

[fierce spindle]

I feel like the day u decide to order the first part should be an official holiday

[vale mulch]

i had heard about how to never buy chinese or something

some of these look cute in white

idk why asus rog strix acts like they have the only white 4090 lmao

does anyone have the 4090 this time around

[fierce spindle]

@vale mulch forget about the gpu for now. Decide on the other stuff first. Once u know what kinda build you'll go for you can choose a gpu.
You can literally put a 10yo gpu in and it will work, you can put a cpu from the future in, it will work.
So yes: its an important part, but it will work regardless. Better to choose ur other parts first

[vale mulch]

also i feel like linus made a smarter investment with going the xtx, but i feel like long term the 4090 will do better than a amd gpu.

[vale mulch]

this is a good idea actually.

so my first time around, i was told to go in this order

cpu, mb, gpu.

[narrow wagon]

If you have an infinite budget go 4090

It’s just better

It’s the best

[vale mulch]

this time i skipped mb, and decided to choose gpu sort of 2nd.

so in this case lets get started with the mb

[narrow wagon]

I’m going Amd cus I have a budget

Motherboard go for an x670e

But not Asus

Anything but Asus

They have problems with 3d v cache

(X3d chips)

[fierce spindle]

Cpu, mobo, ram & cpu-cooler (for clearance), when u choose cpu cooler you know if ur going full watercooling or aio or air, then you can decide on gpu, then u know how much power u'll need and u can decide on PSU

[narrow wagon]

I would go custom water cooled

But it can take a lot of work to set up

Sometimes

[vale mulch]

i remember socket type is just compatability stuff for the cpu only right?
form factor is literally the size of the mb. so it determines which case you get right? so kind of case compatability stuff. they say its the shape, but idk why shape would matter at all especially over the size.
color rating price dont really matter.

[fierce spindle]

Storage u can choose once u know mobo

[narrow wagon]

Yup

[fierce spindle]

Correct

[narrow wagon]

Go for a 7950x3d and 4090

[vale mulch]

i have heard SOOO many people having trouble with asus

[narrow wagon]

Yeah

[vale mulch]

or is that just asus mbs? does this include asus gpus?

[trim barn]

asus frying am5 chips lol

[narrow wagon]

One of my friends bought an itx board for 500

🤦‍♂️

[trim barn]

welcome to itx where shits just expensive regardless

[narrow wagon]

I got this deal

400 one

[vale mulch]

so then the most important decision parts besides the compatability technicals would be the memory max and the slots?
is there anything else to consider and what exactly are memory max / slots

[narrow wagon]

Great deal

[vale mulch]

is this just for ram stuff

[fierce spindle]

Atx and E-Atx are kinda the standards and will usually be the best price for what they offer

[narrow wagon]

Yes

[trim barn]

def I was looking at the 7900x one lol

[narrow wagon]

Yeah I got 7700x

[fierce spindle]

Smaller boards are usually more exoensive if you want the same stuff thats on rhe bigger brother

[vale mulch]

ive researched a bit about form factor

[trim barn]

but itx soo that build is coming one day once I figure out the gpu upgrade

then the custom loop

so one big adventure

plan yolo it hard tubing, and quick disconnects

[narrow wagon]

I had a 7600x and a b650m DS3H for 300 but then I returned it cus I would be paying the same price for a better mobo and cpu

[fierce spindle]

But if u want a cute small build you want a smaller board. But i wouldnt advise that as a first build

[vale mulch]

ik that the atx is normal eatx is larger i think. and then theres a smaller atx i cant remember the name and then there is smaller than that called itx instead of a and itx is the same thing as mini itx or mitx

[trim barn]

third pc build ha so I am use to this

[fierce spindle]

But she isnt 🤓

[trim barn]

I can toture myself very easily with builds

[trim barn]

eatx, atx, matx, itx

[vale mulch]

yes i heard about this with itx and decided not to go itx because its my first build and i got scared, but part of me is kind of up for the challenge so i still want to consider it i just dont know the drawbacks

[fierce spindle]

I can torture myself very easily reading over 5K posts in this thread 😂

[trim barn]

and whatever else you said

though the mitx and other sizes are not really common

asrock did something like that with threadripper

[narrow wagon]

The drawbacks are less features cus you can’t fit a lot on an itx board

[trim barn]

and that is where asus started building up lol

[fierce spindle]

I would suggest u go atx or e-atx for ur very first build. Just to get a feel and learning what to look out for. Once u went through that proces you can go yolo on the second build

[vale mulch]

so aside from all the stats that matter which is basically just the mem max and slots.

another thing to consider is the "features" what are those exactly

and how do i find out which boards have which features

[narrow wagon]

More storage slots

More pcie slots

[vale mulch]

storage slots for like a hdd or ssd

[narrow wagon]

More rgb headers

[narrow wagon]

M.2

More usb headers

[fierce spindle]

Lets be honest.. 80% of most extra features are pretty useless and are just so they can ask a bigger price.

[narrow wagon]

Yep

[vale mulch]

i have heard of m2 being a special type of ssd that takes up like no space. it looks valuable to me

[narrow wagon]

Yep

[trim barn]

yep and most people don't use it unles you are in that catagory

[narrow wagon]

And it’s extremely fast

[vale mulch]

i was about to say. like what is the normal / standard # of features

i didnt even know there was more than one storage slot or more than one pci slot

[narrow wagon]

It’s hard to say

I have 4 pci slots in my mobo

[trim barn]

I still question my idea when I bought my msi b550 meg unify but the features on it sorta paid off now after 1.5 years

[vale mulch]

also is pci and pcie the same thing? im guessing pci is just a shorter hand phrase

[fierce spindle]

Dont worry too much about them. Unless u have specific needs like 10 hdd or 12 rgb-strips or 5 m.2 slots

[silver path]

Oh god how in the shit is this thread still going

[trim barn]

it wil be alive until the pc is built.

[narrow wagon]

I don’t actually know but I think e stands for express

[silver path]

You'll need like an x670 board for that

[vale mulch]

im on mb right now

[fierce spindle]

Pci is a different connector than pci-e

[vale mulch]

cpu is done and dusted

[silver path]

Peripheral component interconnect express is the full name

[narrow wagon]

Just find one that says x670e

[silver path]

Same with gpu

[narrow wagon]

Thanks

[silver path]

No

[vale mulch]

gpu is basically done, just choosing the proper AIB towards the end

[narrow wagon]

They want the best of the best tho

[trim barn]

might as well turn that pc into a NAS if you really going 10+hdds

[silver path]

Unless she wants like a lot of ssds

[trim barn]

or more then 2

[silver path]

Bro but b650 is the same lol

[narrow wagon]

I mean

[vale mulch]

ive learned so much. i never even thought id be capable of.

[narrow wagon]

A x670e might hold up for longer with pcie 5.0

[silver path]

Jus no

[narrow wagon]

Really?

[silver path]

Also x670 has like 8 more pcie lanes

[trim barn]

haha welcome to the knowledge we hold.

[silver path]

5.0 is and won't be relevant for a long time unless tech is like quantum pcs

[vale mulch]

if i come back to build a 2nd pc. it would take much less time now. this info doesnt just vanish from my brain

[narrow wagon]

We have quantum pcs

They will be public in like 10 years

At most

[silver path]

Ik but I'm talking at home

[narrow wagon]

10 years

Give it 10 years

[silver path]

Not unless you want a fucking cold room

[narrow wagon]

True

[vale mulch]

so im guessing the 670 is the big halo tier motherboard lol

[silver path]

These things have to be kept at the perfect temp

[narrow wagon]

Yes

[trim barn]

pc next to window ac

[silver path]

Not really but

[narrow wagon]

X670-e is the best

[silver path]

I'll give her a dual x670 board

[narrow wagon]

650 will be just fine though

[trim barn]

when I move my setup the plan is to toss my pcs intake next to the window ac

[vale mulch]

whats a NAS?

[trim barn]

Network attach storage

[narrow wagon]

That’s what I’m doing

It’s for servers

And large amounts of storage

It’s also one of the best rappers of all time

[silver path]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rPRYcf/asus-rog-strix-x670e-a-gaming-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-rog-strix-x670e-a-gaming-wifi

Dual x670

[narrow wagon]

Not Asus tho

[silver path]

Why?

My friend uses this exact board with a 7950x

[narrow wagon]

They can like blow up 3d vcache cpus

[vale mulch]

i saw the other linus tech ytber basically ruin his build with an asus mb

[narrow wagon]

Sometimes

[silver path]

That's the Rog ones and only if you overclock

[vale mulch]

he's not LTT

[silver path]

And they fixed it lol

[narrow wagon]

Oh ok

That’s good

[trim barn]

Jaytwocents

[vale mulch]

but he basically went the same route im going

[narrow wagon]

But jtc cut them off for it

[silver path]

Yeah that board is amazong

[vale mulch]

YES HIM