I am building my first PC ever

[vale mulch]

also i hear gpus get hotter, so why not list the TDP? i feel like that is more important here. a gpu has a tdp right?

here are the fastest consumer gpus on the market

none of them are "4090"

[vale mulch]

the one that stands out here is the gigabyte aero oc because it's not only a top speed, but it has 24 gb memory

24 seems to be the bare minimum

and then heres the top boost speeds, but all of these speeds are horribly slow compared to a cpu. 2.5 - 2.8 ghz??

here it is sorted by price, how is the most expensive gpu on the consumer market less than 1 ghz in speed. isnt that horrible???

is PNY a good brand?

[fierce spindle]

Bc those arent made for gaming. You can game on them, yes, but performance will be way worse than a 4080, 4090

[vale mulch]

how.

they have the highest memory

[fierce spindle]

Other infrastructure, made for actually workstations

[vale mulch]

well thats what i want

[fierce spindle]

No driver support for games. Or if there is any, it will be way later than for consumer cards

[vale mulch]

i dont follow

[fierce spindle]

No, you want a gaming pc in the first place, workstation second. These are industrial workstation cards

[vale mulch]

if its compatible then it should be okay

[vale mulch]

usually industrial doesnt appear on pcpp at all

[fierce spindle]

Trust me, your games wont run smooth on them.

[vale mulch]

i wasnt even aware industrial could appear on pcpp

i thought industrial to mean

industrial = not readily available to consumers. so intended for companies

consumer = retail or otherwise available for purchase online

if this isnt the case, what does industrial mean then?

if anything these just seem like very expensive consumer gpus

not industrial

[fierce spindle]

I mean they are not made for gaming. Not particularly "industrial" as in "consumers cant buy them"

[vale mulch]

oh so these are consumer gpus still, but you just meant that they were expensive and not worth it because they are moreso intended for company servers

which seems industrial.

[atomic orbit]

industrial gpus are aimed at stability and for e. g, rendering blender scenes much faster than consumer cards.

they can game just nowhere near as good as consumer gaming cards

[vale mulch]

so with cpus theres

gaming cpus
productivity cpus
energy saver cpus
money saver cpus
these are the 4 building routes

with gpus is it the same thing

gaming gpus
productivity gpus

[atomic orbit]

what r u going for then

gaming or productivity

[vale mulch]

gaming 1st with not just a dash of productivity, a little more than a dash but not full on productivity.

[atomic orbit]

get a nvidia rtx then

[vale mulch]

im guessing the same build routes for cpus are the same with gpus

so you could also go the energy saver or money saver route too

like a workstation

[atomic orbit]

if u ever look at buying amd gpus just remember they suck at productivity loads

[vale mulch]

a lot

[fierce spindle]

GPU is easy in your case where budget doesnt matter: just get a 4090

[atomic orbit]

bit of both from what I know

yes

[vale mulch]

oh it looks like my thread has pins now

i guess i can go pin it

[atomic orbit]

plus amds flagship isn't as fast as nvidias

[vale mulch]

oh nvm i can't pin it lol

so whats the most important stat for a gpus

[atomic orbit]

I still choose amd tho since I just game and I'm loyal

[vale mulch]

memory, speed or boost.

[atomic orbit]

fps

the best gpu is the 4090 rn

[vale mulch]

out of those 3 please for now

[fierce spindle]

AMD is good performance/price atm.
Nvidia is king atm if price doesnt matter

[vale mulch]

so i can move on

[atomic orbit]

wait a little longer and the 4090ti will come out

[atomic orbit]

well it's got like 24gb of vram don't it

damn

[vale mulch]

could you rank those 3 stats for me

[fierce spindle]

Also: its easy to just swap out GPU

[vale mulch]

for example something like a

[atomic orbit]

amds gonna have a very good fighting chance then

[vale mulch]

maybe i should do a poll

[atomic orbit]

still they won't catch up in productivity

they just make gaming cards and that only

I like that

[fierce spindle]

Get an intel GPU

[atomic orbit]

only if it was free

[vale mulch]

🧠 1. memory
⚡ 2. speed
🚀 3 boost

[atomic orbit]

depends what u are doing

@vale mulch

[vale mulch]

when does the 4090ti come out.

[atomic orbit]

probs later this year

they already run as hot as it is

I have a laptop with a 4000 series cpu and it can reach up to 100 degree's

[vale mulch]

oof im lost

[atomic orbit]

ur rank list is correct

I say memory comes first

[vale mulch]

what rank list

[atomic orbit]

memory maxes out = loads of stutters and crashes

[vale mulch]

oh thats just a random order

[atomic orbit]

this

well it sounds like the right priority

anyway doesn't matter

[vale mulch]

oh so memory and then speed and then boost

[atomic orbit]

yeah

if u don't have enough memory then ur entire system bottlenecks

[vale mulch]

it matters entry level however i do have a lot of experience picking a cpu. so i know that its down to irl performance

cause if i pick a gpu it should be at the top of the sort by memory list on pcpp if it isnt then i did something wrong

[atomic orbit]

just get an AMD 3D cpu sinxe they r the best rn

[vale mulch]

my cpu is already picked out

[atomic orbit]

yeah

[vale mulch]

7950x3d

the top 4 cpus are

[atomic orbit]

doesn't the 7950x3d explode atm

[vale mulch]

top 3 are easily
7950x3d
7950x
13900ks

in any order depending

[atomic orbit]

like literally

[vale mulch]

the 7800x3d is amazing. but it is horrible at productivity

it has a horrible cpu mark because it was designed to be a mid end chip

it just ends up performing as the best gaming cpu

because it has only 8 cores. if it had 12 or 16 cores it would be an awful cpu

great for gamers on a budget tho

[vale mulch]

what is bottlenecking again?

someone told me about how it's like a water bottle

but idk what they meant all together

[atomic orbit]

like bottlenecking is when a part of ur pc is limitimg ur performance

[vale mulch]

why would that happen tho

why would one part "limit" the WHOLE pc

[atomic orbit]

like for eg the cpu is pinned at 100% and it's limiting the performance of the gpu

[vale mulch]

that makes no sense to me

[atomic orbit]

everything relies on something else

[vale mulch]

okayy

[atomic orbit]

also the 7800x 3d is just as good as the 7950x 3d at productivity

[vale mulch]

youre joking lmao

it's DEFINITELY not

idk shit about gpus. but i know im right with this one lol

this one isnt even close

at least the 7950x is close

and better

[atomic orbit]

it is

also the 7950x 3d is prone to swelling

from what I know

[vale mulch]

the 7800x3d SUFFERS in productivity. the 7950x3d holds its own in the market against the other 3 competitors

[vale mulch]

ive never seen this

[atomic orbit]

just take my word for it

[vale mulch]

idek what that means

why would it swell

lmao

[atomic orbit]

I wouldn't waste my money for a 7950x 3d

[vale mulch]

its a little overpriced

[atomic orbit]

issue with voltage regulators on the motherboard or smth

[vale mulch]

but less so than a 13900ks

[atomic orbit]

cpu literally cooks itself

[vale mulch]

no this isnt true

the 7950x3d has some of the best efficiency and tdp in the market

[atomic orbit]

it is check the Internet

[vale mulch]

no

[atomic orbit]

I have seen more of the 7950

[vale mulch]

post your sources

[atomic orbit]

I saw a video of the 7950 aswel

there's some yt videos

[vale mulch]

sighh please read up. i was a 7800x3d fan. but this is entry level knowledge

the fact is the 7800x3d is a good cpu but it's not good for productivity.

no i watched the LTT video. look at their tests

not only their tests but theirs also fall in line with all the others ive seen

why would i get the 7800x3d when the 7950x3d is better.

[proud rapids]

so you would rather 5% less gaming perfomance for better productivity

[vale mulch]

look i know that 7800x3d is #1 in gaming. but i need a cpu that is more of a 60% gaming cpu and 40% productivity cpu.

not a 90% gaming cpu and 10% productivity cpu like the 7800x3d

it's more like 3% less gaming and how did you calculate the 3% productivity??

idk what an athlon is

LTT did not post the % diff for the productivity results

only the individual

most people don't post the % diff for productivity

which is something i desire genuinely

i considered that if the 7800x3d could compare with any of the other competing cpus in productivity performance, i would be okay with the opportunity cost if i could determine the % diff.

but from what i found it could not

it doesnt matter. cause people always want to refute the reliability of benchmarks. unless you have something better

i havent, ive already gathered my sources.

LTT server doesnt allow you to pin comments

they are so far up

and if i cant be bothered to post a selfie because of my phone storage, theres no way im scrolling up for one chart and then scrolling up for a 2nd chart and so on

please post your sources

bruh this is gaming

fps is gaming

that's overclocked

PBO is overclocked

i still love the 7800x3d

and that video by LTT got me excited

and it is still the best in gaming no question

and the best in power consumption

but im working with AI.

[proud rapids]

So you need a better gpu then cpu

[vale mulch]

what for

[proud rapids]

for ai since thats what you work with

[vale mulch]

and also is there a way to compare gpus to cpus?

why would i need a gpu for ai??

[fierce spindle]

theres metals in both 😂

[vale mulch]

im so lost on gpus lmao

[fierce spindle]

JUST GET THE 4090, done

[vale mulch]

but gpus have horrible speeds compared to a cpu???

[proud rapids]

not for ai

[vale mulch]

i still dont get the whole naming convention of the 4090

[proud rapids]

gpu mainly nvidia gpu are going lots of tensor cores

[vale mulch]

i dont get why everyone says 4090 instead of the brand name

or what the chipset is

[proud rapids]

almost all 4090 are the same

[vale mulch]

well yeah

they are all 4090 lmao

i wasnt aware there are differences lmao

[fierce spindle]

the brands just have their own clockspeeds and coolers etc on them

well, the partners, we should say

[vale mulch]

so 4090 is the chipset right?

[fierce spindle]

to keep it simple: nvidia produces and sells the main chips and sells the rights to use the blueprints basically

[vale mulch]

okayy i think im on board so far

but i thought chips were cpus

or something

[fierce spindle]

no, there are a lot of different chips

[vale mulch]

what is a chip then

[vale mulch]

sooo whats a semiconductor then?

i thought they were the same thing

[fierce spindle]

and allllll the chips in the world, from chips in cpu, to chips in gpu, to chips on a circuit board of a tesla are made by a handfull of producers

[vale mulch]

okayy im like 50% on board

[vale mulch]

who is the handful?

[fierce spindle]

Intel (they were asking huge funding of the US gov to build a new facility in the US, you might have read or heard something about it at some point. I'm not form the US, so I dont rly know if its actually coming or not)

TSM

Qualcomm (cellphones)

[vale mulch]

i havent heard of this at all

[fierce spindle]

Samsung makes memory chips

[vale mulch]

i know TSM from league of legends

[fierce spindle]

not that TSM

[vale mulch]

arent they they US team that sucks

so the chips are basically all league of legends teams

like SKT

[fierce spindle]

they are not even worth the change of the TSM chip company 😂

i dno, I never played LoL

but usually NA sucks in gaming in general, yes

😂

[vale mulch]

theres a samsung team too

okay so

i think im more lost than before

[fierce spindle]

why's that?

[vale mulch]

what does TSM or qualcomm have to do chips or pcs

or samsung

or any of them regardless if they have an esports team

also i tried using chat gpt but that did not help

[fierce spindle]

they build the most iimportant components in every piece that does any sort of calculation

the chips

[vale mulch]

oh okayy

so the chips are inside of the cpu

[fierce spindle]

like half the RAM uses samsung memory chips, for example

[vale mulch]

what constitutes as "semiconductor material" or do you not know?

[fierce spindle]

Companies like Corsair will sell ram branded as Corsair, but the memory chips will be of Samsung for example

[vale mulch]

theres chips in ram too!???

[fierce spindle]

silicons

[fierce spindle]

all those black pieces are chips

[vale mulch]

whats silicon exactly. i know Si for silicon in chemistry

[fierce spindle]

holy shit, you are going deep 😂

[vale mulch]

so this is ram but the black boxes are all chips?

[fierce spindle]

you wanna build a PC, but im gonna need to learn quantum mechanica

[fierce spindle]

yes

[vale mulch]

no no i just dont know what semiconductor material is yet

ik its silicon but im still fuzzy on that

idc about what silicon is exactly. i just wanna know how i can relate it back to semiconductor material

like is silicon plastic

[fierce spindle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor

lol

[vale mulch]

so it can use silicon

but it mostly uses copper not silicon

so it's metal then

[fierce spindle]

https://www.power-and-beyond.com/semiconductor-materials-what-is-silicon-a-ba604a23f39215d0c410a14e5f071121/

[vale mulch]

ive heard of gold i think unless that was for something else

[fierce spindle]

theres a bit of gold on most pcb's

there's factories that recycle pcb's to filter the gold out of it

[vale mulch]

oh so silicon is a half metal

[fierce spindle]

its not rly worth it, its not like a business that'll get them rich, but it happens

[vale mulch]

so its basically really cheap semiconductor material lmao

what's a pcb and what does that stand for

[fierce spindle]

I wouldnt call it cheap lol

[vale mulch]

compared to copper

[fierce spindle]

well, it is cheap for now, bc we send African children into mines to get our stuff so we can have our fancy products

[vale mulch]

😭

[vale mulch]

whats a pcb tho

[fierce spindle]

circuit board

[vale mulch]

im guessing you dont know what it stands for

[fierce spindle]

pcb's connect everything by lanes

[vale mulch]

whats a lane?

[fierce spindle]

Printed Circuit Board - PCB

[vale mulch]

ohh okayy

[fierce spindle]

those lines you see are lanes

[vale mulch]

ohh okayy

[fierce spindle]

traffic lines basically

[vale mulch]

my friend told me they work like cords

[fierce spindle]

i am no professional btw, im sure other ppl can explain it all way better lol

[vale mulch]

but like really small cords

i think ive heard LTT call them something else besides lanes

i cant lie i am aware of the green boards

[fierce spindle]

traces maybe, i dno

[vale mulch]

just didnt know they were called pcbs

and lanes

and semiconductor material is basically a metal that conducts electricity for the lanes basically

[fierce spindle]

my first language isnt english either, so we call stuff differently here anyway

[vale mulch]

so they do use gold

[fierce spindle]

im just trying to give some basics lol

[vale mulch]

silicon is much cheaper than gold

also lower quality because it is a metalloid and not a full metal like copper or gold

[fierce spindle]

maybe its also easier to manipulate

bc we're talking about extrmely small sizes here lol

[vale mulch]

but im right about what all i said basically

right

[fierce spindle]

like I said: i'm not professional, just somewhat an enthusiast and you're going very very deep and technical 😂
But as far as im concerned: yes, you're right

[vale mulch]

well im not trying to go deep

but it just keeps daisy chaining

i cant know one thing without the other

but at least ik what semiconductor material is now

which means that chips are basically made out of these metals / metalloids

and conduct electricity

like little buildings

so chips are located inside each part? and any part can have a chip

[fierce spindle]

yes

[vale mulch]

i thought the whole cpu was a chip

[fierce spindle]

a gpu has many different chips

[vale mulch]

so parts can have more than 1 chip?

[fierce spindle]

yes

technically a CPU can be one chip, but it defintely has different sections

[vale mulch]

can parts work with zero chips?

[fierce spindle]

i think as soon as theres a bit of calculating you need a chip

[vale mulch]

so if there was no calculating. no chip then

why calculating tho? i thought chips were just electricity houses

for the lanes

[fierce spindle]

yes, houses to switch or store 0's and 1's

[vale mulch]

okayy

this is what i found

[fierce spindle]

well yes

the PCB is the board you put everything on

and connect everything

its like "the ground" to build the houses on

and the road

[vale mulch]

basically, no parts have no chips

all parts must have a chip, and some have multiple chips

im on board

also pcbs are made out of basically a plasticlike material with resin and copper plated

so then, why does the chip matter at all if it's just this

why would the chip matter all that much for a cpu or a cpu

[fierce spindle]

bc theres all different kind of chips for different kind of purposes

[vale mulch]

in fact, whatever chip / chips located inside a cpu seemed to have no mattered at all lol cause they are never mentioned and stacked up against each other in ranked tier lists.

[fierce spindle]

i dont think you understand how many chips are in a gpu for example

[vale mulch]

what are the different kinds of chips

[fierce spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_kWonOzoag

check this video

[vale mulch]

and whats a general list of purposes

i think ive heard of this guy

the video is a bit confusing for me tho.

i see nvidia but it doesnt look like a gpu

i see the black boxes but they are everywhere

theres like at least 20 chips on this thing

the only thing i understood was when he said 16 lanes

scrub a dub dub

[fierce spindle]

yea, maybe not the best video i found lol

i think he also makes like layout reviews

naming every single component etc

[vale mulch]

looks clean and pretty tho

[fierce spindle]

relacing huh

relaxing*

its like cat videos, but different

[vale mulch]

he's basically a DIY girl on tiktok

but yknow

[fierce spindle]

aaaah, i found the guy i was looking for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1DNXJcHzU4

[vale mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/midget-dr-evil-austin-powers-dancing-dance-gif-5137925

[fierce spindle]

its very very technical, but im just trying to show theres different chips for different purposes lol

[vale mulch]

KrisFix-Germany after repair

[vale mulch]

it looks like theres many different types

[fierce spindle]

yes

[vale mulch]

some of the black boxes are different sizes

some of them have a cringe gamer logo on it lmao

like whyy nobody is gonna see that lol

so chips are just like different buildings for a facility

and each building does something different

maybe 1 is walmart

another is the bank

another is a hotel

etc

so how many chips are inside a cpu?

ive seen cpus and the chips are no where to be seen.

see this cpu has no black boxes

or really anything that looks like a chip

but ik it must

is it just hiding underneath the white case

[jade sand]

Precision Boost Overdrive (Basically automatic overclocking) and UV means under-volting

[jade sand]

Its mostly not

[jade sand]

Yeah, they're under the lid, buts not 100% and the only things that matter are what it can do and how it performs

Only small difference is that the place where the chips that run hottest are need more cooling (hot spots) but basically every cooler covers the entire area of the cpu that matters (just remember to use enough thermal paste)

The lid protects the chips and acts as an easier interface for coolers so yeah

[vale mulch]

what is undervolting

[jade sand]

If done successfully it makes the cpu run with the same performance, but lowers energy consumption and heat output

Which in turn makes it easier to overclock, in this case done automatically by the amd software, PBO

Making it run faster

[vale mulch]

so pbo is a software

[vale mulch]

oh wow so back then

it was ATI vs nvidia

and then amd bought ati

[fierce spindle]

correct

[jade sand]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Technologies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon

[vale mulch]

Okay so I looked into gpus

Still don't have a list really

I am at work but it's dead as hell

Still confused about why chips matter so much with gpus

I think it what chips are now

But what's a chipset?

[sleek reef]

If you want a pc that will be a monster in 10 years go buy a pc from the 1980’s

[fierce spindle]

So in your city with your chip buildings the chipaet would be the traffic regulator. It would be like traffic lights on the main crossroad lol

[vale mulch]

i dont think im gonna do this

[vale mulch]

okay so now without the analogy

chipsets are inhibitors?

so why is the 4090 chipset so good

is it cause it inhibits less?

[fierce spindle]

Very important to update chipset drivers on new hardware. It can make a big difference in performance and compatibility

[fierce spindle]

The chipset is located on the motherboard

The GPU has a set of chips, but not a chipset 🤓

[vale mulch]

ohhh okay

this makes way more sense

so technically it connects to the pci first and then the gpu

so the chipset isnt on the gpu?

then why is the chipset listed on the gpu on pcpp

also i thought drivers are what communicate with other parts of the pc?

or is that just the software side of it while chipsets are physical parts / hardware side of it

[fierce spindle]

Drivers are the software part, yes

So updating drivers = updating the software

Chipset is on the mobo, yes

It handles communication between all the parts: cpu, gpu, ram, pci, usb, ...

So while ur looking for a gpu you shouldnt look into chipset yet, i'ld keep that for when you're looking into mobo

[vale mulch]

so then wth is geforce rtx 4090

[fierce spindle]

Liquid cooled will perform better and ne less chunky, but they'll require more "craftmanship" and maintenance from time to time

If you still have van life in mind I'ld suggest air cooling, bc if ur constantly on the move some fitting of the liquid cooling will start leaking at some point due to vibrations

[proper dove]

It means it’s a 4090

It has a 4090 die inside

[fierce spindle]

Its just to indicate what type of card it is

It has nothing to do with the mobo's chipset lol

[vale mulch]

well thats where ive been confused so badly

why would pcpp call it the chipset??

this whole tine everyone keeps saying 4090 but its like bruh thats just a chipset it means nothing to me

like ik th mb has a chipset

so is this compatibility like socket type?

or does the gpu have a chipset too?

[fierce spindle]

I dno why they picked that word, it kinda makes sense, but it can be confusing for the few ppl that know nothing of PC's and then take a deep dive into learning every lil component

😂

[vale mulch]

is chipset speed? if so why do gpus have a clock speed

and if so. then why does the chipset and clock speed not matter more than memory?

why is memory the most important

[fierce spindle]

yea, i'ld say you cold compare it to socket type, its more like defining the blueprint and components and architecture, while when they talk about the chipset on the mobo they mean and actual specific physical component on the mobo

everything matters. its just another one of those 'depending on what you wanna do'

if pcpp would be a car site, under 'chipset' it would state the brand, type, generation, ...

so you would see a car and under chipset it would say "Dodge RAM 1500 2022"

and then it would list all the partners that sell their own customized Dodge Ram 1500 2022's

[vale mulch]

its not that im trying to learn every little thing.

its that everyone says get a 4090 and then calls that a gpu when its not a gpu its a chipset of the gpu

i dont even think its the generation or the series

[fierce spindle]

40 is the series or gen

[vale mulch]

if it is. its the generation or series of the chipset techbically not the gpu

[fierce spindle]

the whole thing is the GPU

like for CPU you have intel chipsets and amd chipsets

you could say

[vernal kettle]

They do it on purpose

[vernal kettle]

You do ai + wanna game at 4k rt

Memory is like a cache

Lets say when you move in game something has to render by your new position and to make it faster we got memory

So it take less time to find data compare throw retake again

[vale mulch]

i thought intel and amd are just brands

[vale mulch]

i think i get cache.

and vcache. its like temp storage that makes things faster cause deep storage is slower

i watched the cave miner video LTT posted.

cpus have vcache

is the gpu memory like a cache? or is it a cache for sure

[vernal kettle]

Its certainly called memory for a reason

[vernal kettle]

No shit

[vale mulch]

are memory and cache the same thing?

[vernal kettle]

nope

my friend told me i was wrong

[vale mulch]

oh so you are wrong

https://tenor.com/view/black-people-what-where-did-time-go-gif-10268635

[stiff nexus]

I’d wait,since a new 4090 is coming out

[vale mulch]

when

[austere shale]

There’s rumours that it will be released around the end of the year and start of the next

[vale mulch]

oh that's too long

plus itll be like $2500 at this rate

[proud rapids]

the new 4090's are being made to prevent the cable from melting

[stiff nexus]

No, wait. Intel’s new CPU’s are coming by October,and with bf deals, ud be spending money on stuff that’s not worth it

[vale mulch]

is black friday the best time to buy pc parts?

like ik you shouldnt buy a TV unless it is black friday

that's how i got 3 75 in TVs

but im bored of them

so amd gpus are called radeon?

[fierce spindle]

Yes. Former ATI Radeon

[vale mulch]

i cant find anything on gpu chipsets

it's all mb chipsets

and they all just control what is compatible

and they control overclocking

[austere shale]

Gpu chipsets?

You mean the architecture maybe?

[vale mulch]

that's what im saying

on pcpp

lmk if you need an example @austere shale

[modern osprey]

Just search by model name

[austere shale]

Yeah

What does it show in the column

[vale mulch]

heres the whole site

[austere shale]

Oh

[vale mulch]

no sort

just random

gpus

[modern osprey]

Guys guys it's not that hard

This doesn't need to take 2.5k messages

[austere shale]

Yeah just look for 4090

[vale mulch]

we just started gpu

[modern osprey]

13900k/7950x3d and 4090

[vale mulch]

why does it say chipset

[austere shale]

I guess it technically is

But don’t worry

[modern osprey]

4090 is the technically the chipset

[austere shale]

It’s just telling you what card it is

[vale mulch]

i thought mb only had THE chipset

[austere shale]

Don’t worry about that

[vale mulch]

so gpus and cpus have chipsets too

ik what a chipset is

[austere shale]

Yes

There’s only one chipset for the 4090 though

So it doesn’t matter

[vale mulch]

it's literally a group chips that work together

[austere shale]

A 4090 is a 4090

[vale mulch]

chipsets usually determine combatability only

when talking about mb

[austere shale]

Yes

[vale mulch]

but im p sure this isnt the case with gpu

[austere shale]

But you don’t have to worry about it for your gpu

Exactly

Literally any gpu will work with your system

It’s just a question of what gpu you want

[vale mulch]

so then why would pc part picker call it the gpu's chipset and not just the "model"

[austere shale]

I should say modern consumer gpu

[austere shale]

Not sure but it doesn’t matter

I’d just look for one you like the look of

And make sure it’s a reputable brand

Some cards say OC which means they are a little better

[modern osprey]

Just do this not that hard
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kgykcH

[vale mulch]

why does it only list the chipset

theres like 20 gpus with the same chipset as 4090

and does going the same brand help it synergize better? like is going an amd cpu with and amd gpu better than going an amd cpu with a nvidia gpu

[modern osprey]

Because it doesn't matter

[vale mulch]

i dont follow

theres literally dozens of gpus with the 4090 chipset

and they are all different

different brands and different names.

different stats

ive heard of the titan

[modern osprey]

Dead

[vale mulch]

is it good

also still considering an amd gpu

[modern osprey]

Last one is 20 series the new house are 40 series.

[modern osprey]

You have a giant budget just get a 4090

[vale mulch]

why not a titan

[vale mulch]

whats a cuda core

and whats gddr6x memory

also whats TBP??

and BUS width

[fierce spindle]

You're really focusing too hard on the chipset terminology lol.
If people in pc world talk about the chipset, it will be about the controller on the motherboard. As a consumer the only time you need to inow what a chipset is, is thats a controller on the mobo and you can update its driver. Thats it.
When people use the word chipset on CPU's and GPU's when they are doing a technical review or whatever, they will use it as a synonym for "architecture".

If you'll keep talking about "the chipset of a gpu" you'll confuse everyone on this forum lol

[fierce spindle]

Bc gaming is your priority. Like we discussed before: the 4090 will give you best results in most games. And it will do deceng on workloads.
A Titan is a great workload gpu, but its not optimized for gaming, the drivers are definitely not. So a GTX2080 will outperform a Titan in certain titles. A recent release might even crash instantly on a Titan.

The GPU really is the easiest pick of your whole list of components: 4090. The only thing you might wanna discuss about the GPU is if you go for air or water cooling. And what brand you'll eventually go for.

[vale mulch]

well actually it seems the chipset is the most important stat

because the chipset determines whether it is a 4090 by nvidia or a 7900 by amd

[vale mulch]

and the brand names are just resellers but each reseller's version has its own stats

[fierce spindle]

Omg, ur definitely just trolling 😂

[vale mulch]

im not trolling

[fierce spindle]

Nvidia is king in performance.
AMD comes in the neighborhood and is king in price to performance.
But price doesnt matter to you and performance and gaming is priority, with productivity second place.
If productivity wasnt a factor at all we might debate over 4080(ti) vs 4090, but it is, so 4090 checks all the boxes on your checklist of requirements.
Like I mentioned before: which 4090 should be the only thing u should ask yourself.

And stop calling it chipset, unless you refer to the nortbridge/southbridge component on the mobo. I know it kinda makes sense, but trust me: you'll make it yourself, your internet searches and everyone else way easier and less confusing if you stopped doing that😂

[vale mulch]

the rtx 4090 is a gpu chipset not a gpu. it's not my fault that the gaming pc world decided to just call it a gpu

when really the whole thing is a gpu

it has a chipset inside made by one company

but the whole gpu is sold by another company

ive tried looking it up in both ways. and nothing. google wont tell me shit. neither will chat gpt

it's lost media now

im glad, gpus are so easy, that everyone knows nvidia is the best and that the 4090 is the best. looking at the gpu marks which i had no idea were a thing until tonight. i can see the rtx 4090 is the best gpu in gaming and in productivity.

still doesnt narrow down the part by much tho

idk which reseller to buy from

do i go the msi gpu with the rtx 4090 chipset inside or the
gigabyte gpu with the rtx 4090 chipset inside

or the PNY gpu with the rtx 4090 chipset inside

or the asus gpu with the rtx 4090 chipset inside

[velvet falcon]

Mate it literally does not matter

The performance difference between them is actually negligible

Unless some come pre overclocked, which you could just manually do

[vale mulch]

unless you can explain how or why that is possible i basically dont believe you

they literally have different internals

that makes no sense

especially with the same chipset

here's all of the 4090s on the consumer market

[fierce spindle]

I think the only reason pcpp uses that term is cc they bundle a lot of different information together in one line to make sorting easier. And ur fixating on that one term on that one website while no one else will ever rly use it that way 😂
At the CPU's they could combine manufacture, series, core count and vcache size under "chipset" too, but that would make sorting way harder, while in the gpu sorting it makes sense.
But thst doesnt mean everyone uses that term that way 😂

[vale mulch]

or if it really doesnt matter then

fine

here's my build so far guys

[velvet falcon]

The only actual difference between them is size and how they're cooled

[vale mulch]

what about memory or clock speed or boost speed

[fierce spindle]

Exactly this

[fierce spindle]

Thats all just numbers that change by how hard you can OC anyway

[vale mulch]

oh nvm i didnt know each chipset has the same amount of memory

[fierce spindle]

Well. Not the memory. But the speeds

[vale mulch]

they literally all have 24 gb

[fierce spindle]

Yes..

[vale mulch]

and the speeds are all literally basically the same + or - like 45 mhz lmao

[velvet falcon]

It's almost like they're all the same card

[fierce spindle]

Yes.. but a watercooled one you can OC way higher

[vale mulch]

they are the same chipset

not the same gpu

[pine totem]

Unless goofy ahhh silicone

[fierce spindle]

Actually not

[vale mulch]

card = video card = gpu

gpu doesnt = chipset

so there for they are completely different cards, but they all share the same architecture.

the chipset rtx 4090

[fierce spindle]

Different manufacturers still use different chips. They just use the minimum requirement Nvidia or AMD tells them to use

[vale mulch]

well yeah duh

4090 isnt the only chipset

theres the 7900

[fierce spindle]

So its not even the same chipset in that sense

[vale mulch]

the 4080

the 4070

last gen with the 3000s

[fierce spindle]

No, i mean the controllers on the board in a 4090 from asus can differ from controllers on a 4090 from MSI, one can have more than the other

They still 4090s tho, but different chipset

[vale mulch]

nope

4090 IS the chipset

[fierce spindle]

Okay, show me the listing on the nvidia website

Where it says chipset and not GPU

[vale mulch]

send me the link

ive never been to that website

[fierce spindle]

No no, i dont wanna bias you

Go to the official website and show me how they call it chipset and I'll stfu about it, I promise

[vale mulch]

whats the website

nvidia.com

[primal junco]

makes sense makes sense

[fierce spindle]

I went to their store website, listed the GPU's (ahum, not the chipsets) clicked through on "buy at partner", happens to be bestbuy and bestbuy sorts it as:

[primal junco]

ooohh dass niceee

not really, but they had a bug in the latest amd mb bios that would cause the cpus to kapoosh cus of too much power

sooo chipset is not the official name btw @vale mulch

it is called graphics processing unit

[fierce spindle]

All I'm trying to say is: you could use "chipset" in this case and it makes sorting way easier on pcpp when they do it like that, but its not the most common thibg to use and its very confusing when u use it during pc building as often as u did bc of the chipset on the mobo. Which is the only actual chipset most consumers will call chipset bc they need to update the chipset drivers. Lol
And now I'll shut up about it 🤓

[primal junco]

both amd nvidia and intel call it that

[fierce spindle]

And yes, what darkmonsoon just said

[vale mulch]

not really?

like you havent traveled much

[vale mulch]

im not sorting by chipset

sorting by chipset on pcpp is alphabetical

everyone just kept telling me rtx 4090. get the rtx 4090. and that's a chipset.

i didnt even focus on it too hard.

i had literally asked about cuda cores and you said i was trolling after i said that

but i dont think cuda cores or gddr6x memory have anything to do with chipset

there was a 3rd place that listed it as chipset

if it is not chipset, then i wait for someone who can prove it wrong

as for the time being, the duality of whether or not it is a gpu or a chipset will remain debateable at best.

nvidia is literally the people who make the actual chipset, so does that mean you can buy a whole nvidia gpu with their own nvidia chipset inside?

i didnt know this, but i think you can.

so you can buy from another manufacturer / reseller who has the nvidia rtx 4090 chipset inside their gpu

but it's not nvidia's gpu

of course it says gpu on nvidia's website. they are selling to consumers on that site. they arent selling the chipset a la carte. they are literally selling their own gpus.

but its also hard not to get stuck on "chipset for gpus"

because it's clearly a misnomer. no one seems to know why. ive asked dozens of people by now. nothing.

as far as i am aware, the chipset refers to the architecture of the group of chips located inside the gpu that eventually connects to the pci and to the chipset of the mb. through really tiny wires.

all this really determines is the capatibility to an extent and whether or not the gpu is running with a newer chipset or not. a newer chipset seems to be almost always better. and the chipset basically determines the memory and the speed.

[austere shale]

Yes

[vale mulch]

what i dont understand is how a manufacterer is able to push the gpu clock faster than factory speeds by a pointless 50 mhz and why

[austere shale]

In most cases, the gpu will have a specific “chipset” or arhictecture. A gpu under the same chipset will have the same gpu cores, vram, cache bus, pcie compatibility. The only difference between manufacturers is the clock speed which varies slightly like you just highlighted and the memory clock speed. They just do that to squeeze a few extra frames and charge you more for the card

[vale mulch]

oh so thats just 3rd party manufacterers being greedy

[austere shale]

Partially

But manufacturers such as asus which I’d say are a premium manufacturer. They genuinely want to squeeze out the most performance possible

[vale mulch]

ohh okay

[austere shale]

But realistically that extra 200-300 for an asus strix card will get you an extra 5 frames maybe

[vale mulch]

so yeah similar but unlike cpus, gpu memory and clock speeds dont matter not only because of how hard it can be to translate that into real world performance just like in the case of cpus, but also because all of these stats literally depend on the chipset which is why the term gpu and it's chipset have become synonymous.

if the best gpu has the newest chipset and the newest chipset has the best stats to real world performance, then you should almost always buy the gpu with the newest chipset unless you are on a budget since all gpus are overpriced now, and some manufacterers might have housed the chipset in a better cooled gpu body.

[austere shale]

Yes

Though for rtx4000 all the coolers are pretty beefed so it’s hard to find a card that has insufficient cooling

[vale mulch]

so this is why, people compare the chipsets in gpu marking instead of individual manufacterers. you can basically compare all of the groups without having to compare each product

[austere shale]

Yes

Pretty much

So basically pick what you like the look of

[vale mulch]

gpus seems to split across gaming and productivity like cpus too

but not as hard

[austere shale]

Sure

[vale mulch]

and energy efficiency seems to be still important.

the 4070ti seems to have a good efficiency similar to 7800 or the 7950x3d cpus

it could make for a p good energy saver build

but i dont think ill go this route

[austere shale]

Yeah don’t

You’ve already went for the top for your other componentes

So if anything your gpu you also want to go for the top

[vale mulch]

i do

im glad im seeing the end of the tunnel

this is also why gpus should be easy. because it's all just the chipset. which basically just falls down to how much you are willing to pay. but if you have no budget you can get the newest one which is the most expensive.

but it's also a pretty cut and dry research job because the charts really do show almost all the time that the 4090 does perform better than any other option

and then amd is just budget gpus for basically really similar performance.

and then intel doesnt exist for real

itd be nice if the 4090ti came out in october

4070ti is also overpriced

[vale mulch]

ik the rx 7900xtx isnt the top, but is there any benefit from matching your cpu and gpu manufacterer

so an amd cpu and an amd gpu

[proud rapids]

no amd gpu you need a 4090 for your ai work

[austere shale]

Yes for now matching them doesn’t do anything pretty much

[fierce spindle]

Buying or pre-ordering the newest GPU can be risky tho. Better to buy one after a couple of months of release.
Tho its less risky for a new type in the sane series (like the a TI) than the first batches of new gen cards

[austere shale]

I mean the high end ones have been out since October or something

That being the 4080 and 90

[fierce spindle]

Yea, the ti will be fine

But like 50-series I wouldnt pre-order

[austere shale]

That will be next year

Considering the cpu conversation I don’t think she’ll do that

[fierce spindle]

I pre-ordered the 3080 at msrp right before the whole price circus started

But i think they only made a couple of 100s or 1000s of this exact card

I had to undervokt it in order to not crash all the time lol

[austere shale]

Oh

Not enough watts?

[proud rapids]

Also your cpu does not affect ai

[fierce spindle]

No, nvidia sent out the blueprints way too late to partners and they used better chips in their own gpu than the minimum specs required, while MSI did use just the minimum specs. Turned out they could not held the factory OC clock speeds. At that point the chip shortage also started, so MSI just stopped producing this specific type alltogether and started producing a better one with the actual required chips lol

[austere shale]

Interesting

[vale mulch]

im one step closer. but im so damn tired

[stiff nexus]

Kinda

Usually it’s Black Friday to Christmas

[primal junco]

aaaah i messed up the reply lol.. that was meant for the other message

this onee

[low nexus]

heyo

[vale mulch]

ohhh

hii

[proud rapids]

here is the build i recomend

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/champninjastar/saved/#view=FkR9K8

with a full custom water loop for the cpu

[austere shale]

I don’t think it’s wise for a first time builder to make a custom loop

[trim barn]

Unless your up for the challenge

There are those who want to challenge themselves on their first build lol

[trim barn]

ironic but now that I am home I remember my friend when he built his first system went itx. We had to build his case from the cut sheets of aluminium. Was fun to say the least, but I think that time him and I learned a lot

[austere shale]

Someone should make a copper case as a joke

One misplaced connector

[trim barn]

My temptation to build DIY a case is up there. I'd have to consult with one of my engeneering buddies.

he'll have some ideas to throw in

[vale mulch]

i just wanna look at some comparison charts. i might go an older chipset

then im gonna compare aibs and rank them

is it better to always go stock nvidia gpu?

or are aibs better

[proper dove]

Do you mean like getting a founders edition nvidia card?

[proud rapids]

i would say yes founders edition

but aibs are just better

[proper dove]

I’d get an Msi Suprim 4090 instead of the founder’s edition

Or the Asus ROG Strix

[vale mulch]

what is a founders edition

so MSI and asus are good brands

are there any that i should stay away from

[vernal kettle]

Base model version

[vernal kettle]

Chinese ones

[vale mulch]

so this one

founders edition just means its made by nvidia basically?

[proud rapids]

yes

[vale mulch]

if its a radeon founders edition then its made by amd

real quick what is VIPERA?

i learned about AIBs today. just to clarify those are things like MSI's gpu with the 4090

or gigabyte

etc etfc

[vernal kettle]

It mean it is base model no modification on memory clock like that

[vernal kettle]

A weird brand

[vale mulch]

but this isnt really a vipera gpu

oh so then founders edition just means no mods

but it doesnt mean its a gpu by nvidia

it just has the same chipset obviously

[vernal kettle]

Omgawd you actually dumb

Its like you saying 7950x3d isnt a cpu by amd

[vale mulch]

it is a cpu by amd

[vernal kettle]

Yea

[vale mulch]

does founders edition mean no mods or made by nvidia

[vernal kettle]

No mods so yes made by nvidia since it keep the same design and specs

[vale mulch]

the chipset is made by nvidia. the gpu is made by vipera, but its a founders edition because it has been unaltered

but you can also buy a nvidia gpu

nvidia doesnt sell the chipsets individually to regular consumers

[vernal kettle]

The gpu is sold by bipera

[vernal kettle]

Who will buy a FE gpu anyways

[vale mulch]

so nvidia gpus go out of stock fast im guessing

but that's okay, because AIBs are just as good if not better at reselling the chipset.

FE gpu is just an AIB gpu that didnt get factory overclocked etc

[vernal kettle]

People buy it

[vale mulch]

alright

so what are cuda cores

[proud rapids]

NVIDIA CUDA cores are the heart of GPUs. These cores are used to process and render images, video, and other visual information for both display devices like monitors and TVs, and for computer vision applications. While a CPU has a few hundred cores at most, a high-end GPU can have as many as thousands of CUDA cores

copy pasted from google

[vernal kettle]

You can see them like cpu cores

[vale mulch]

awesome so they function like cpu cores too

i know the numbers are different tho

i think the 4090 has like 16000

[heavy mulch]

WTAF how do you have 20k for a pc

@vale mulch are you getting income from family? if not what job do you have?

[vale mulch]

walmart lmao

but thats not why

[heavy mulch]

so ur parents are paying?

[vale mulch]

nah im 26

havent talked to family in 2 years

[heavy mulch]

how do you have that much for a pc?

[vale mulch]

i hit big with crypto basically

[heavy mulch]

oh intresting. what chain? ETH

[vale mulch]

im really good at investing

[heavy mulch]

not if you buy a 20k pc

[vale mulch]

i basically found a way to net profit almost 100% of the time by intentionally losing trades with AI

[heavy mulch]

what chain?

[vale mulch]

i actually dont intend on buying overpriced.

[heavy mulch]

so ur a dev?

[vale mulch]

the one i hit big on was dogecoin

[vale mulch]

not really

[heavy mulch]

[vale mulch]

just a hobbyist

[heavy mulch]

intresting

[vale mulch]

my friend was talking to me and i had always wanted to learn stocks

i have a tendency of devouring a subject

so he got me started and then that week i invested 3k into doge the day it blew up cause i literally did the research that week on it

perfect timing

[heavy mulch]

intresting

[vale mulch]

it was my first investment too but now i can do much more than dogecoin lmao

basically the generally idea

is

you use heikin ashi instead of japanese

[heavy mulch]

so you only got ur money from the one trade?

[vale mulch]

and then you use AI to trade for you

and you tell the AI to trade 100% of the time

but only by the first green

and sell the first red

you can do the same thing without AI

but it's annoying cause of the clicking and watching

turnaround usually takes about 16 to 90 days

you can get started with 1k today

[heavy mulch]

hmm. i made some money on the stock market and crypto, nothing big though as my initial investment was 0$ minus an internet connection and power.

[vale mulch]

idk shit about pc building tho

but ig now

im finally starting to

i am 10k in doge right now at 6.5 cents

[proud rapids]

i learned everything i know about computers from youtube

[vale mulch]

so if doge hits a dollar, i will make 140k or something

think of what i could do, if i wasnt on a laptop

[heavy mulch]

thats probably not going to happen. athough just get elon to tweet again

[vale mulch]

well

its not something that can happen in one day

alt coins have an extremely high chance of testing old highs and then breaking them and then falling

so the odds of dogecoin testing 75 cents again are super high within the next 5 years

i waste nothing by sitting here. it's like checking my horoscope lmao

plus right now there is X acceptance and doge1 launch

and its crypto winter

imagine if the next bull run started

which btw, it always comes back.

[heavy mulch]

i mean not necessarily

[vale mulch]

the only question is, will it be this year or next or the year after that

[vale mulch]

no it does

and each time its sooner lmao

i dont think this time will be sooner tho

[heavy mulch]

no long term and large data sets to back this up.

[vale mulch]

i dont have them ready no. but i know where to get them. but tbh. im actually not that excited to talk about all this

i actually wanna go back to pc building

its only cause it takes a lot of time for me

and i dont have a lot of time

so wait

is the gpu memory the same thing as the vram?

[vernal kettle]

dont listen to him dawg bro doesnt even know about gpus and all

[heavy mulch]

yes

[vernal kettle]

gpu memory = vram lol

[vale mulch]

awesome

[vernal kettle]

virtual random access memory

[vale mulch]

okay so now

what does triple aaa title mean

[vernal kettle]

ask google

[proud rapids]

if you have any questions look for the answer on google

[austere shale]

^

[vale mulch]

im still gonna ask here

[austere shale]

You can

But for questions like that it’s more something we understand rather than remember a fixed definition for. So googling will just be faster for you and you’ll get a better answer

In the video game industry, AAA (pronounced and sometimes written triple-A) is an informal classification used to categorise video games produced and distributed by a mid-sized or major publisher, which typically have higher development and marketing budgets than other tiers of games.

From Wikipedia

[vale mulch]

in retrospect i do realize this one would have been an easier search

but its hard for me to tell which ones are an easy search

and like. im researching other things right now

so im like multitasking

im not saying serve me

but all of this is voluntary.

i do appreciate it all. i wouldnt have been able to learn all this without this chat

so right now im hearing about how the 40 series has had a horrible release

[austere shale]

Sales kinda flopped

[vale mulch]

and that almost all of the 40 series gpus are relatively awful to the 30 series and are also overpriced to hell

[austere shale]

They aren’t awful but for the price yes they are awful

So no but actually yes

[vale mulch]

yeah

like the 4090 is overpriced but worth the money. but some of the others seem to be literally just a 30 series chipset with a new name slapped on it lmao

the 4080 is good too but is even more overpriced

i guess intel arc isnt bad for budget route

[austere shale]

I’d say the 4080 is probably the “best value” high end one

[austere shale]

It’s gotten pretty good recently

[vale mulch]

ive been hearing some good things. i just dont know how far off they are in terms of performance

but all 3 are competitive in different tiers

[austere shale]

4090 is quite an improvement over the 4080, but isn’t worth the higher price. But if you can afford then 4090 is great

4080 is also quite an improvement over the 4070ti making it worth the extra. The 4070ti in some cases struggles with 12gb vram (at least for me in MSFS at 4K while streaming)

[vale mulch]

everything is overpriced because of the whole covid chip shortage inflation situation

they are good chipsets but just the cost is kind of an issue for some people

as for me, im p sure im only considering, the rtx4090, xtx7900 or the xt7900

i will say tho, none of the 40 series cards are worth it because you can just get the xtx7900 for cheaper than $1200

okay so a big thing thats been confusing me in the back of my head

what are these chipsets

they seem so random and out of no where

[vernal kettle]

if you want to thank we all please stop asking us question like we were google

[vernal kettle]

data center/ server / home lab gpu

[lone scaffold]

the thing is nvidia has a reputation and at the end of the day, they always make the fastest gpu on the market
It's just that their other products are not as good in terms of price to performance compare to amd

you cant say something is overpriced if it's the best

because ure paying for the best

and the rtx 4090 is straight up the best

like there is no arguing for that

with cpus you can always argue that this one is better than the other on thoses cases

gpu is simple

just get a 4090

no matter which one

and you'll have pretty much the best you can get

[silver path]

workstation gpus

these are 30-40 series dies downclocked to shit and with 2x as much vram as their geforce equivalents

and sold for ludocrous prices

[silver path]

no

unless hes doing cad no

[lone scaffold]

she*

[silver path]

sorry

[lone scaffold]

and she's looking for the best of the best

no budget

[silver path]

for encoding and cad yes

7900xtx has better software

that wont eat 500mb ram for no fucking reason

[lone scaffold]

in which scenarios would the software make the 7900XTX better than the 4090?

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everyone starts like that ngl but a 7900xtx with a 7800x3d will be one op setup you dont need the best of the best unless 4k

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she wants 4k

and rt

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the fact its easier to use and desnt require an accout or look like a windows xp menu

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oh god fuck off with raytracing

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i mean

its what she wants

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unles its for a cad situation rt is not needed

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i wont argue the usefullness of that

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lets talk to her then ill try to knock some sense into her

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i agree that rt is pretty much useless but im doing with what she said before

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lumen and most lighting engines are amazing and really close to rt as is just look at cp2077

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im probably one of the only ones that almost read all the near 3000 messages in this thread

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@vale mulch

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holy shit

thats a lot

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it's really entertaining

since she knows nothing

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imma make 2 lists and she will choose

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and annoying

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one minute she speaks like a professionnal about cpus

and the next she is aking if SKT (the lol esport team) makes chip

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:/

womp womp

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caught bacon in 4k saying womp womp

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i see, ure a man of a culture aswell

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and then catto says i never say it

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im broke af now

no moneys

at all

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/v9Bv6D

either this for 2k

amazing pc

wait lemme add storage

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this is the first message of the post

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/twphPF

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wow

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yeah it's a big one

but the lore goes deep

apparently she is 26 and interested in AI

but has never heard of chatgpt

and wants to discover immortality

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hDK7YN 4090

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oh goddddd

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yeah

it goes DEEP

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i wont live thru this without an anger attack

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can someone help me find my wallet

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https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-broke-gif-7855913

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it doesnt exist

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me rn

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im going to be like this but I CANT FIND MY WALLET

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https://www.ebay.ie/itm/155683904317 someone buy me this lol

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in the toilet or in your coat?

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so for those who didnt follow the whole thread

it took her 2500 messages to figure out which cpu she wanted

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my balls will explode by the end i assume

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and now we're doing the same with the gpu

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and that is?

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i found it

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7950x3D i think

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nice

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underneath my laptop bag

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oh nooooooooooo 7950x is way better

productivity wise

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3d vcache

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but gaming wise?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vhZQz6

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because after like msg 500 we found out she wanted more gaming than productivity

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better than the 7950x tbh ive had experience with the 7950x non 3d

its a beast as is

even on eco mode

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well

she wants the best tho...

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i gtg eat breakfast i might be back