I am building my first PC ever

[fluid aspen]

yeah i think its the better option when its only like $50 more than the 7800x3d at much better productivity performance

[vale mulch]

though i still think that the 7800x3d would have been a wayy better option, or the 7900x

the 7800x3d is supposed to be worse but it's like the best gaming cpu right now no contest

[fluid aspen]

yep i need the cores for game dev but if its only gaming then its not needed

its wishful thinking but the 2 ccd chips only get better with software updates

[vale mulch]

for cores i would have gone with the 7950x3d

but it might not have been out during your purchase

ik that and the 7800x3d came out kind of recent

they dont appear on some charts

although the 7800 seems good for gaming. it doesnt seem as capable anywhere else

as far as budget goes. and efficiency its great

but it's not going to be the cpu i need that does all the gaming and then more productivity on the side

[austere shale]

I think you can cross out the 7800 too

[vale mulch]

yep im going to

[austere shale]

And the 7900x non 3d

[vale mulch]

ryzen 7 7800x3d = 90% gaming 10% productivity
ryzen 9 7900 = 80% productivity + 20% gaming
ryzen 9 7900x = 60% gaming + 40% productivity
ryzen 9 7950x = 60% productivity + gaming 40%
ryzen 9 7900x3d = 60% gaming 40% productivity
ryzen 9 7950x3d = 50% gaming + productivity 50%
13900k = 90% productivity 10% gaming
13900ks = 90% productivity 10% gaming
13900 = 90% productivity 10% gaming
13900kf = 90% productivity 10% gaming
13900f = 90% productivity 10% gaming
threadripper 3990x = 100% productivity
threadripper 3970x = 100% productivity
xeon w9 3495x = 100% productivity

i already had the 7900x off, but i took the 7900x3d off too. it's not bad. it's just not insane. tbh none of these are really bad,

i was gonna ask this

but

im guessing that from here on out, no matter what i choose from this list. it's still going to be amazing regardless of small gains here or there

7900x3d always scored around 3rd or 4th and sometimes 1st in LTT's video and across all sites its a great cpu. i just think the 7950x3d does what it does but better

the 7950x3d ranked #2 in both gaming and productivity most of the time

the 7950x3d and the 13900ks are priced awful

the ks is not worth the money at all

but the 7950x3d is still so efficient. like the 7800x3d

[vale mulch]

nvm the ks is $730 which is okay

still overpriced

how do the 13900s have a better single thread rating

[fluid aspen]

go for AMD its simply better at lower power draw and not a dead platform

[normal patrol]

also when next gen amd comes out you will be able to upgrade it without having to change mobo

[subtle charm]

paying extra for guaranteed 6ghz+ OC

not worth it if you arent custom looping

i also wouldnt go off multicore score alone to gauge productivity performance

7950x3d will be better than intel in workloads that only rely on corecount but the 13900k wins in everything else due to things like QSV and faster singlecore

so it should come down to what specific workload apps you're using and the degree to which you're doing them (hobbyist or professional)

[pine totem]

Nuh uh

[fierce spindle]

The battery? Did u just call the power supply a battery or are you actually worried about the CMOS battery? 😂

[vale mulch]

no like with my laptop. my battery and fans are gone

and that happened over the course of 8 years

but with building your own pc i literally dont understand how the pc doesnt last after 10 years. that makes no sense to me.

like that's why i sort of dont understand the pc building community

"no dont spend more money and build a better pc than me, build this shitty pc cause i built a shitty pc" is the crab mentality lmao

what even happens after 10 years

is what im saying, sarcastically, "does the battery and fans fall apart"

cause im p sure they dont

i understand if something is overpriced. if it is overpriced. it's a con. but not 100% a reason to not consider it. in the case of the 13900ks. when it was 999.99 that was way too overpriced. but now it's $730 which is only like $100 more than what im looking to spend on a cpu. and i dont really mind that. but $730 is still way too overpriced. the 7950x3d is overpriced too. but not as bad and might be worth it for some people like me cause it really is good at gaming and productivity.

[fierce spindle]

It will last physically, no problem.
But technology just moves forward. New generations being incompatible with older stuff.
Drivers stop getting supported after x amount of years, while u might need certain hardware and software to run newer programs or updates.
New security measures also require certain newer hardware at some point. Etc etc.
For example: You can still run the very first Prince of Persia on a PC from the '90s, no problem. But you wont be able to install Windows 11 or the latest version of a simple program like VLC or Discord.

So u can spend 50k on a PC today, but that doesnt mean you'll be able to use Discord in 10 years on that machine

So its better to spend 5K now, 5K in 3 years, 5K 3 years later etc

[vale mulch]

but you also shouldnt have to swap out every part

only a couple

[fierce spindle]

Yea.. good luck with that 😂

Thats how it used to be, yes

[vale mulch]

which parts need to be swapped out to avoid software compatability

oh okay

but i mean what are we looking at

[proper dove]

Well the 1080 Ti has managed to stay relevant for 5+ years so if you spend 50,000 on a pc it probably could run discord in 10 years

[vale mulch]

like cpu + mb

or

[fierce spindle]

But now everything is way too connected. Or let me put it differently: things get very quickly incompatible witch each other, its like a chain reaction. These days its better to just upgrade everything if u rly want to upgrade and have the best if the best

[vale mulch]

things are also not the same as they were in the 90s.

i actually do think my pc will be able to run discord in 10 years regardless. but things do change like that. but i feel like the only opportunity cost is really just the newest games like 8k gaming after all this or whatever.

[vale mulch]

i get this, but does that mean the PSU is gonna become incompatible. i feel like not every part is going to need to be swapped through

[fierce spindle]

The things that dont directly do anything computing itself u can usually reuse, yes

PSU, case, fans, cooler, storage

[pine totem]

Ye all that

[vale mulch]

so in the end i might have to upgrade a cpu mb or gpu

but things can go wrong

but still

like i cant imagine discord becoming higher fidelity than it already is

i feel like the pc would last 10 years easy, but it just might not play the newest best games as nicely.

but everything that it already runs should run mostly the same

this is the same for my laptop

if my laptop didnt have as much hardware failure. it would still be able to run rainbow and destiny on lowest settings

i also feel like laptops fall apart more easily than a desktop

if you are a durability shopper, you would go with a desktop over a laptop

[pine totem]

Yeah no shit

[fierce spindle]

Fidelity isn't the issue. Compatibility is. Their latest update in 10 years might have a feuture that requires a specific feature in the latest update of your operating system (most likely Windows). That feature might require a specific chip on ur RAM, that chip might only be be introduced 5 years from now and get forced in that update in 10 years. Your mobo/RAM now lacks that chip since it doesnt excist yet. Discord might require that update to even boot up.
U see? 🤓

[vale mulch]

i hear what you are saying. and i dont disagree at all. Although i am new to pc building and im still learning i actually must say that i think you are on the younger end probably 16 - 22.

i feel like this is something that happened way back then and just doesnt happen to newer pcs. like it can still but it's more rare now.

companies are p good about trying to keep their compatibility broad. im new to pc building not using computers.

like i feel like what your saying is only a "technically this could happen"

cause looking back it used to happen much more

ik like lower end cpu's struggle to stick around. and 10 years is a long time for builders but its not that long for just having the cpu survive

.

so the 13900k an the kf are p much the same

[pine totem]

Kf no gpu

Igpu i mean

[vale mulch]

yep i gotchu

how does the kf do slightly less consistently the the k

does ig make a small difference

cpus without an ig sell for slightly less too?

[fierce spindle]

Thx for the compliment 😂😂
I'm definitely an old dog an built my own 7 PC's in the past 15 years 😂

[vale mulch]

ohh okay

im 26 and stupid

so im not complaining about the options cause options are good. but i just feel like these non-integrate graphics cpus are such a weird marketing thing

like whats the point. ik we live in a world of dedicated gpus now

but isnt an ig nice in case your gpu fails and you need to post

also it seems to make a very slight difference in performance for whatever reason

like the k and kf are basically the exact same but the k is still better by like 0.1% lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nQk6DWdhk8

i think i can safely cross off the kf

ryzen 7 7800x3d = 90% gaming 10% productivity
ryzen 9 7900 = 80% productivity + 20% gaming
ryzen 9 7900x = 60% gaming + 40% productivity
ryzen 9 7950x = 60% productivity + gaming 40%
ryzen 9 7900x3d = 60% gaming 40% productivity
ryzen 9 7950x3d = 50% gaming + productivity 50%
13900k = 90% productivity 10% gaming
13900ks = 90% productivity 10% gaming
13900 = 90% productivity 10% gaming
13900kf = 90% productivity 10% gaming
13900f = 90% productivity 10% gaming
threadripper 3990x = 100% productivity
threadripper 3970x = 100% productivity
xeon w9 3495x = 100% productivity

these 4 cpus, are my top 4 cpus on the market right now imo.

[fierce spindle]

That will be just silicone lottery tho. Or Intel uses specific chips that pass specific tests for their specific version

[pine totem]

7950x3d is gréât

[vale mulch]

top 4 for non industrial cpus

in the world

not only me, but everyone in this discord should know these are the 4 best cpus

nothing else comes even close (that i am aware of)

all of my research has led me here

[fierce spindle]

Nice, now decide before the new Gen comes out 😂

[vale mulch]

i have heard of the silicon lottery

i heard you can request to buy a good die chip tho

also, the ks is absolutely better than the k

[fierce spindle]

Probably, but isnt rly worth any extra cost tho. Unless you wanna compete in OC championships

[vale mulch]

but everyone hates the ks because its expensive af

and not worth the money

i dont have a budget and i am looking for a splurge but i dont know if the ks is the play lmao

[fierce spindle]

I'm glad in 2000 post u almost decided on CPU. Only a whole ass rest of the PC to go 😂

[vale mulch]

im really happy about the cpus tho

now i know im getting the best.

im very satisfied

and ive learned so much

[fierce spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/madea-tyler-perry-church-hallejujer-hallelujah-gif-5368101

[vale mulch]

so in a lot of LTTs tests. they hated the 7950x3d

but the 7800 doesnt do well in productivity and it's single thread score and cpu mark overall are awful

amazing that it holds up but not the strongest consumer cpu at all

still the best in gaming. it's super efficient and simple and just destroys in games somehow

but also the 7950x

before i started really diving into all this

the 7950x and the 7900x were favorites of mine for their raw stats

not only this but the 7950x is not only better than the 7900x it might even be better off without the 3d vcache

[fierce spindle]

I think i bought the 7700x like 3 months ago for my gf's pc. Just with gaming in mind tho. Was like no brainer price/performance.

[vale mulch]

the 7950x doesnt do as good as the 7950x3d in gaming but it's productivity performance is better than the 7950x3d

[vale mulch]

i wish i had a bf that did everything for me lmao

[fierce spindle]

The x3d might get better with bios and driver updates tho

[vale mulch]

but also i dont. i could get a bf, but i have too much pride

gotta do all this on my own

jk, discord is my bf

[vale mulch]

interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj4gn7od0jY&t=188s

im gonna rewatch this and try to find a discernable difference between the 7950x and the 3d variant

[fierce spindle]

I think ur doing this already, but definitely use multiple sources before making a final opinion.
If you wanna practice your German and u wanna dive in deeper than deep: der8auer

[vale mulch]

in gaming the 7950x performs significantly worse until we get to 4k+RT where it finally holds its own and actually performs slightly better than the 7950x3d

they dont have a # diff for productivity

[fierce spindle]

Guys, should we mention delidding to her?

[vale mulch]

what's thatt ;-;

[fierce spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/ight-imma-head-out-spongebob-imma-head-out-ima-head-out-gif-14902967

[vale mulch]

ave 2 1 1 2 2 3 3 1 4 = this is the place finish of the 7950x across various productivity apps and benchmarks

ave 2 2 2 1 3 1 2 2 2 3 = this is the place finish of the 7950x3d.

ave 2.6 3 5 4 1 4 1 1 3 1 = 13900k i would imagine the ks is only slightly better

[vale mulch]

tell mee

the ks only performs slightly better than the k in gaming and in productivity

so i can't imagine it would hold up to the 7950x

13900k is supposed to shine here in productivity but it is outclassed by the 7950x

and not only this but the 7950x3d out classes the 7950x in gaming as well

[fierce spindle]

Delidding = removing the metal cover on the chip. Cooling the die directly. It is very risky, but when done well it can drop temperatures by a whopping 20°C, which means you create a huge room for more performance. Which means it messes up all the charts u looked at thus far 😂

[vale mulch]

the 7950x3d is literally a cpu that is good for gaming and productivity consistently getting 2nd place because some other cpu does something else really well here and there

[vale mulch]

oh wow this is incredible.

[fierce spindle]

Remember: risky

I repeat: very risky

[vale mulch]

but similar to overclocking its for more advanced builders and can be extremely risky

even more risky than overclocking

i heard overclocking is something even i can do with one click in bios

[fierce spindle]

Well, yes. It allows for extreme overclocking

[vale mulch]

basically

[fierce spindle]

Well yes, kind of

[vale mulch]

when you delid is it a one time, you "pull the lid off" set it up and then if you did it right it should be risk free after that

[vernal kettle]

still on that 💀

[vale mulch]

or does the lid stay off and thus makes it risky every time you run it

[fierce spindle]

You're making the mistake I made for years tho. Trying to figure everything out, spending way too much time at finding out whats the best, hence waiting and waiting. By the time I decided something new came out. I started reaearching again.. and so on and so on.
When building a PC sometimes you just have to go "bam, well.. this will be the decision and I'll make the best out if what I decided" 😀

You can spend a whole week investigating if CPU A performs 0,5% better than CPU B, but in the end your mobo might make it perform 2% worse bc the bios needs bug fixing, or another mobo just performs better. Or your PSU doesnt deliver the cleanest of power. Or this or that. 🤓

[vale mulch]

well im basically done with cpu

im concerned about single thread

[fierce spindle]

But.. the learning process had a lot of value for sure

[vale mulch]

see that's good

value condensed learning above all else

the 13900k is reasonably priced imo

you get much of the same performance as a 7950x3d

the ks is overpriced

the 7950x3d is overpriced

13900k and the 7950x struggle to keep up in gaming

the 13900k less so

[fierce spindle]

Theres benchmarks and benchmarks.. You know.
Like: you can benchmark on standard settings. But no one really uses standard settings. The auto-OC benchmarks might look completely different.
And how the CPU communicates through RAM might differ to. Passmark is pretty good, but its still synthetic.
And different games are optimized differently.
These CPU's are all so close together.. whichever one you choose, you'll have a very very great or the best CPU depending on what ur doing with it at that time

[vale mulch]

yeah but in pc building remember that we arent saying this one benchmark is the definitive proof that this part is the best. We can't say that all this data means nothing because it does point to something.

just like in stocks you can read technical analysis and it doesn't definitively mean that it's useless just like benchmarking.

all of the research you did back then wasn't useless at all. to say that benchmarking isnt useful would just mean that there is no clear winner and that none of these cpus are better than any of the other ones. but this isnt really the case.

years from now the small differences become more apparent

but we can look across games and across use cases

someone who doesnt care about blender might be happy with the 7800

but 2 days ago i didnt know that at all

[vernal kettle]

this is tilting

[vale mulch]

7 days ago i thought core speed meant everything

but core speed and core # and boost clock mean almost nothing

[fierce spindle]

No no, I'm not saying its useless. Just saying they are all so close. One will out perform the other in different scenarios and frankly theb there is still the margin of error.
Just pick 5 different games and 1 of these CPU's might have the highest FPS, but another might have a better low 1% score and another CPU will have the highest FPS in another game, etc etc.
Its like comparing a super car to another super car on all different terrains and weathers lol

[vale mulch]

those stats are like the reverse or resultant of it's performance

you can say a cpu might perform such a way because of the number of cores

and so on

but you can't determine the best cpu by its speed and cores

it's more so about it's real life performance.

[subtle charm]

only if you custom loop

OC'd 13900KS will outperform a 7800x3d

[vale mulch]

so lets consider the best of the best

[vale mulch]

well yeah the 7800x3d is awful in that regard

intel's best consumer cpu is the 13900ks no questions asked

it's just overpriced that's the only downside when comparing with other intel cpus

[subtle charm]

you can achieve some notable performance gains with some tuning on the 7800x3d tbf

well yeah cause they're selling u a binned chip

[vale mulch]

you can't even refute the 13900ks dominance in the intel market

[fierce spindle]

Benchmarks are definitely great. I am just trying to explain you cant be this nitpicky based on benchmarks when u compare the the top 1% CPU's.
Benchmarks are way more usefull when you compare CPU's that are far off. Or like current gen vs next gen.

[vale mulch]

however, intel when compared to amd is a different story

[subtle charm]

intel holds the advantage in the majority of workloads

[vale mulch]

but intel is just simply not as good as amd

the competition was kind of fierce in this time. but intel is always benchmarking at around 3rd at best

usually much lower with anything except the ks

the ks is the only thing they have that can properly compete with amd

if you go the 13900k its still good but the ks is everything the k wants to be but more

[subtle charm]

this isnt true

[vale mulch]

it is. ive looked at so much

the only thing intel has is better overclocking and better single thread

but how much does that matter if everything else is worse

[subtle charm]

it's not. intel holds the lead in 90% of workload applications

you're looking at raw synthetic workloads

[vale mulch]

in productivity?

im not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj4gn7od0jY&t=188s

[vale mulch]

the 13900k on average performs worse in productivity

[subtle charm]

than the 7800x3d? not a chance

[vale mulch]

omg its like you dont watch the video

i dont care about the 7800

the 7800 isnt even amd's best cpu

im gonna need a little bit more than the pugetbench lol

the 7950x isnt even amd's best cpu

[fierce spindle]

Pure performance I also believe Intel wins tho, in real loads. If u dont care about power consumption (which u dont if budget doesnt matter lol)

[vale mulch]

and the k isnt even intels best

[vale mulch]

this isnt the case. power consumption and budget are separate

if a cpu uses more power it means it is more stressed. meaning it will be more hot. which will mean its full potential cant be reached.

it's true that the 13900k / ks might have more potential but they dont perform well irl because of that power consumption

the just arent that efficient of cpus

better than what anyone has here right now. maybe

but not better than the 7950x3d

[subtle charm]

it wins on average vs the 7950x?

the adobe benchmark doesnt take into account QSV

and most blender tasks will be GPU dependent which is why that "lead" is so negligible

[fierce spindle]

Not particularly. I mean yes, you right on the more power more heat, but it all depends on how the power gets consumed and what goes to waste

[vale mulch]

on average the 7950x has a better % difference than the 13900k. if the 13900ks is slightly better which it is. than im sure it bridges this gap a lot. and puts them close to being on par with each other

[subtle charm]

it doesn't??

[vale mulch]

ryzen 7 7800x3d = 90% gaming 10% productivity
ryzen 9 7900 = 80% productivity + 20% gaming
ryzen 9 7900x = 60% gaming + 40% productivity
ryzen 9 7950x = 60% productivity + gaming 40%
ryzen 9 7900x3d = 60% gaming 40% productivity
ryzen 9 7950x3d = 50% gaming + productivity 50%
13900k = 90% productivity 10% gaming
13900ks = 90% productivity 10% gaming
13900 = 90% productivity 10% gaming
13900kf = 90% productivity 10% gaming
13900f = 90% productivity 10% gaming
threadripper 3990x = 100% productivity
threadripper 3970x = 100% productivity
xeon w9 3495x = 100% productivity

final 2

[vale mulch]

it does unless all the benchmarking tests ive seen and referenced in here are wrong

which is to say LTT is wrong

which they could be

[fierce spindle]

Like now, this gen, Intel performs well, but high power consumption. If they cant manage to bring the power consumption down they'll have big issues next couple of gens.
But that all doesnt matter now when conpairing current gen. If power consumption doesnt matter: intel. If it does: AMD 😀

[subtle charm]

you're using the data wrong

[vale mulch]

but these tests seem trustworthy

no

[subtle charm]

do you really think counting pi to 2.5 billion digits is an applicable benchmark

[vale mulch]

idk they do. i dont really care about that one

[subtle charm]

only thing that matters are application specific benchmarks

[vale mulch]

that's what they did

they literally did application speciffic benchmarks

and the 13900k didnt do that good. lmao

in either gaming or productivity apps

it was mid at best. and lets be real the 13900k is already getting old compared to it's competition

[vernal kettle]

it surely doesnt cost that much for nothing lol

[vernal kettle]

that why 14gen gonna be rude

[vale mulch]

actually the 13900k cost is p cheap relatively

[fierce spindle]

And in different applications you'll get different results bc we're conparibg the top 1% of CPU's 😂
Pls.. at this point... just decide on which one you find the prettiest 😂

[vale mulch]

the contending cpus are all more expensive than the 13900k

the ks is better than the k.

[vale mulch]

but the 7950x3d is more expensive than 13900k too

[vernal kettle]

keep thinking!

[vale mulch]

thinking?

[vernal kettle]

that pretty much what you doing right now

[vale mulch]

you guys are so loyal to intel and it shows lmao

do you think i care which one won in the end.

[fierce spindle]

But in the end. Power consumption will make it cheaper the longer u use it 👀

[vale mulch]

nobody cared which one i chose until now lmaooo

[vernal kettle]

oh @vale mulch for an Ai chatbot what would be the bests optimizers? i am currently using adam

[subtle charm]

-adobe: doesnt take into account QSV (dedicated encoder present on intel iGPUs)
-blender: GPU dependent, and the difference is negligible regardless
-handbrake encoding: QSV is taken into account, and you can see the considerable lead the 13900k holds

[vale mulch]

the efficiency of the 7950x3d is trully amazing too yes

[vale mulch]

i want to hear you out. but i need some proof

the puteg benchmark is a good start

[vernal kettle]

its like saying i want the proof that the sun can be hot

[subtle charm]

do not put LTT on a pedestal

[vale mulch]

if i wanna waste money i should go with the 13900ks

or the 7950x3d

[subtle charm]

there are many more reliable sources than LTT when it comes to pc hardware

[vale mulch]

the 7950x is cost effective

but its worse overall

if the 7950x3d was cheaper it would win out in this regard easily

the 7950x has a better cpu mark but the real world performance doesnt seem to match that

[vernal kettle]

@vale mulch any ideas here?

[vale mulch]

ik a lot of power goes towards multicores that dont get used all the time

[vernal kettle]

that why there are P cores i guess

[vale mulch]

i am actually interested in chatbot AI but i do not have any of my own currently

the AI i use doesnt actually speak

[vernal kettle]

which ai do you work with then?

[fierce spindle]

Cant u build an AI to pick ur PC parts? 😂

[vernal kettle]

oh mine too since its a chatbot

[vale mulch]

i basically have made my own and it's kind of basic but the process can run 24 7 and it ideal to run it 24 7

[vernal kettle]

you need to feed data and she even struggle by choosing which is better for her own use

[vale mulch]

because its based off rng so the longer it runs the more of a successful outcomes happen

which is what i want

[vernal kettle]

so the ai will theorically be worse lol

[vale mulch]

a successful outcome = 1 new follower basically in this context

but its not just the one task for one app

[vernal kettle]

an api?

this stats are pretty bad

[vale mulch]

i can use it with anything basically but im lazy with it so i only run it every couple hours usually around prime times to see what i can get out of it

mine is nothing fancy

i think its just cool cause i havent seen anyone do this before

[vernal kettle]

i mean i made mine with my own data so its is not that intelligent

[vale mulch]

i always laugh when girls are begging for more followers or attention. why do that when you can basically just generate more people lmao

[vernal kettle]

because they are fake lol

[fierce spindle]

You could say its a ... Wait for it... Godly potato 😎

[vernal kettle]

its like why making friends when you can create it

[vale mulch]

this is why i wanna move to new york after i move into my van

[vale mulch]

exactly

[vernal kettle]

the thing is that those "friend" are just the perfect friend example you wanted lol

[vale mulch]

like ive said in the very beginning of this thread for my use case a lot of it comes from trauma and this just fixes all of it for me

[vernal kettle]

how did we went from cpu to friends lol

[vale mulch]

i lost all my friends and family and replaced them with robots

im much happier now

[vernal kettle]

we could be friend you know

[fierce spindle]

So u wanna build a PC so u can build an AI that can generate following, then you gonna get rich instagraming your van life by using your own bot to then move as a rich girl to NY? Smart

[vale mulch]

i never thought i would ever even get a couple 1000 followers here and there but now i know anything is possible and no one should ever doubt themselves. not you guys either

i didnt think it would work with tiktok

[vernal kettle]

girl charm you know

[vale mulch]

but im almost to 100

and it's only been like 3 days of use

its nice cause im only just starting

imagine what this could turn into after years of 24 7 use

[vernal kettle]

do you use java for machine learning?

[vernal kettle]

you will just get ban lol

[subtle charm]

what type of work will you be doing

[vale mulch]

imagine becoming famous because you literally used a computer sat back and waited for it to come to you

the only thing i hate is yeah its still slow compared to actual famous people.

its good for local fame

like 10k to 20k tier

but not the 1 million follower type people

and when i use it right now i cant use my phone lmao

which is why im lazy with it

cause i wanna USE MY PHONE

but also yeah ive been banned already before

lmao

lost 12,000 followers

and they arent bots. and i dont pay for this lol

but i can get the 12,000 again easily i just need to find a way to get back on snapchat

tiktok also has strict limitations

a lot of those limitations are government fueled

the government doesnt want anyone to become too famous

the government hates billionaires

but also have to work with these people

its like keep your enemies closer basically

but also use preventative measures to keep anyone from succeeding

[vernal kettle]

????????????????

[vale mulch]

this is where AI comes in

AI can literally get around all this bullshit

[vernal kettle]

and can also fix themselfves

[vale mulch]

literally

i need to get better at AI

so i can get better

[vernal kettle]

start by finish your pc specs

[fierce spindle]

Why would a government care or know anything about following gain of a certain account on certain company's platform 😂

[vernal kettle]

💁

[vernal kettle]

you want to know how i feel after saying that on day?

pain

[fierce spindle]

Like a sack of potatos?

[vernal kettle]

finding data is a pain cleaning data too using it too

[vernal kettle]

yea there are good and bad ones

and those who arent even potatos

[vale mulch]

for example a lot of people dont know this still but the us government actually uses it's most popular businesses to test out laws

the largest one is walmart

so they will literally test out laws on the walmart employees as work policies

walmart literally becomes and IS a micro allegory of the usa

[fierce spindle]

Maybe they should stop trying to invent new laws and look at the ones that work proper countries 😂

[vale mulch]

yeah literally

i hate the government

and i hate walmart because they run it in direct comparison to that government

it's minor stuff sometimes but its manipulative

and its spread across years and decades

[fierce spindle]

My gf is US, she'll come living over here. But I cant save yall 😂

[vale mulch]

fertility insurance has been long known to be impossible to pay for and to get covereed

however, in november walmart just signed with a new benefit that gives $20,000 fertility insurance to ALL employees with medical insurance.

[fierce spindle]

Anywayyyyy... PC... We're trying to get PC parts in this thread

[vale mulch]

okii!

i think im down to the 7950x3d or the 13900ks

no reason to go 13900k unless you wanna save a bunch of money like $200

the 7950x has a better cpu mark

the 13900ks has a better single thread

the 7950x3d has better power consumption and efficiency but it is also expensive

[fierce spindle]

Which is better for most games

[vale mulch]

so you would think that the cpu with the highest single thread would be the best in gaming

[fierce spindle]

Which will cost u way less after 5 years of usage

[vale mulch]

but it just doesnt show that in real world testing

idk why

[fierce spindle]

If you wanna take ur PC into ur van, power consumption might be a big factor tho

[vale mulch]

exactly but also on top of this the 7950x3d performed the best overall in gaming and productivity across the board.

it was beat out in gaming by the 7800x3d and it was on par with the 7950x in productivity

[fierce spindle]

Like if you wanna keep van life in mind u might wanna even go for the best most power consumption friendly build. Like maybe even integrated graphics (tho i would usually not recommend that ever lol)

[vale mulch]

yes the 7950x3d would synergize with that

and the lga1700 socket is ending

[fierce spindle]

Bc you wont be able to keep a full blown gaming pc running on a battery for much longer than 30 minutes lol.. and even then it must be a huge battery

[vale mulch]

and the 13900ks is overpriced and the 13900k is worse overall

[vale mulch]

well, i am a little worried. but i will just get more solar panels

you can usually fit like 4 up there

which is a lot

i wouldnt be the first either there is someone on youtube who does it already

[fierce spindle]

You are actually thinking about keeping this thing powered in your van huh?

You'll have way more challenges than u can imagine now 🤓

[vale mulch]

it'll be okay

[fierce spindle]

Power consumption should definitely your main factor if u really wanna use it in your solar powered van 👀

[vale mulch]

its a concern

[fierce spindle]

I dont mean power consumption of just the CPU, but the whole build lol

[vale mulch]

but im not too worried

cause theres plenty of ways to get around this

[fierce spindle]

Yes, by towing a generator all the time 😂

[next mountain]

cuz the x3d is better

just go am5 since you want upgradability anyways

[vale mulch]

so theres is a degree of separation from the pc building community and the vanlife community

basically. i intend on living in a ford transit or a dodge ram promaster

[next mountain]

its cheaper than a 13900k long term from both not having to buy a new motherboard and power efficiency

[vale mulch]

and i plan on buying a new one so i will be getting the extended size and the walkable roof

[fierce spindle]

I think u underestimate the power consumption of a high-end PC. Or overestimate how much sun panels can provide. Or a bit of both 👀

[vale mulch]

yeah i think you are right

but what about the 7950x

its just as good in productivity

has better base stats

it's not as good in gaming

but it has a higher cpu mark

and a higher single thread

the 7950x is better than the 13900k

in gaming and productivity

[fierce spindle]

X3D is a fairly new technology, but i think AMD is gonna push it through pretty hard. So I think it will perform better with updates

[vale mulch]

i think so too

i was talking with friends joking about how in 5 to 10 years we might have U3D and they put a 2nd 3d vcache on top of the other lmao

cpu cubes one day in 2100 ad

[fierce spindle]

Its a bit like when Nvidia introduced the RTcores

They were so pricey and barely any use

But look now

[vale mulch]

the single thread rating of the 7950x3d is disheartening

[fierce spindle]

Is it tho?

Look at power consumption and clockspeed

[vernal kettle]

Still the same shit

[fierce spindle]

There's room there

[vernal kettle]

I dont think so lol

[vale mulch]

so basically the 7950x is supposed to be the productivity version of the 7950x3d but the x3d still performs on par in most cases with the regular 7950x

whereas the 3d vcache actually DOES improve gaming by a lot

[fierce spindle]

Only when games use that cache properly tho

[vale mulch]

and admittedly both are good

but i think the 7950x3d fits my use case more

cause i want a gaming + productivity 2nd cpu not a productivity + gaming 2nd cpu

[fierce spindle]

Did we make it?

Only 1500 messages and we already decided on the CPU?

[vale mulch]

look im sorry lmao

i started with nothing tho

now im shootin terminology

[vale mulch]

right some games dont seem to benefit from 3d vcache and just prefer a boosted clock. usually gpu bound games like cyberpunk where the 13900ks would do better here

[fierce spindle]

True... Starting to wonder if its actually you or your AI posting these messages

[vale mulch]

LMAOOO

wow thank you.

[proud rapids]

You have the money to build 2 systems and you can do it in the one case

[fierce spindle]

Yes, this has been discussed in this thread somewhere around paragraph 256 section 3 sub section 57.
But I totally understand u missed it.. It's been a lot 🤓

[vale mulch]

https://youtu.be/cgr0oyOJW3U

https://youtu.be/OqnMDV_ZI5c

[vale mulch]

a lot of the tests in these get into finer details about the 7950x3d and these tests show it performs about 4th best out of the 4 each time but still p close

sometimes it does better than the 7950x and on par with the 13900k

then it outright wins in 1080p gaming

[vale mulch]

and then in this video in these tests, it looks like its going to lose against the 13900ks but it actually does better. this was released before the 7800x3d tho.

but it also destroys in 1080p and 1440p gaming

however the 7950x3d seems to struggle with 4k gaming

where the GPU will do most of the work

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-9-7950X3D-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-7950X/m2052977vs4133

[proud rapids]

I play at 1080 so the 7800x3d would be my best choice but atm I’m running a 13900kf and rtx 3080 12gb

[vale mulch]

the 7800x3d does well with 4k. too but it's suffers in productivity

i think your 13900kf is overall a more well rounded cpu

im curious why you went the kf over the k tho

[proud rapids]

For the best mix of prod and gaming having e core will be helpful

[vale mulch]

what is ecore

can anyone explain how upgradeability works btw?

cause ik lga1700 is done

and am5 is supported til 2025

so then does that mean when a new cpu in 2025 is released i will most likely be able to upgrade to that 2025 cpu?

and then after 2025, they will move on from am5

so yeah maybe go with 7950x or 7950x3d for the upgradeability but why do that if that means you have to upgrade in 2 years?

2 years is a long time for pc world

but it's not really that great

[proud rapids]

e cores help with productivity

and p cores are for games

[vale mulch]

oh so out of the 16 or so cores

a number of those cores will be a certain type

either p or e

and im p sure the p cores are closer to the cpu chip

[proud rapids]

e cores are some what like a server cpu

https://youtu.be/-EogHCFd7w0

[vale mulch]

oh okay

performance and efficiency cores

[fierce spindle]

Why are you even looking at 1080p with these cpu's?

They perform basically all the same at 1080p

[lone scaffold]

she said she was 26 somewhere in the 1500 messages above

i read EVERYTHING

this was fun

[vernal kettle]

I literally asked them for a mini data center then her gaming rig

[vernal kettle]

But you play on 4k ray tracing

[austere shale]

Pls pick 13900K

[slender knoll]

pls pik rock

[proper dove]

Pls pick Cyrix 6x86

[vale mulch]

26

[vale mulch]

well i dont play on anything rn

but i intend on 4k rt

[vale mulch]

why the 13900k instead of the 13900ks?

[proper dove]

Nah get the Cyrix 6x86

[vale mulch]

is that a real cpu

ive never heard of it

[proper dove]

Yes it is

Google it

[austere shale]

Or the KS

[proper dove]

The Cyrix 6x86 is the best ~~ from 1995~~

[vale mulch]

lmao

[vale mulch]

im considering the 13900ks

i need help choosing between these cpus

7950x
7950x3d
13900ks

[vernal kettle]

i9 13900ks B)

amd is for poor and amateur

[vale mulch]

i think i am ultimately going to choose the 7950x3d it beats the 13900k and 7950x in gaming and the 13900ks is on par with it, but it is more expensive and it is on lga1700 instead of am5.

the 13900ks is much better for a workstation along with the 7950x, but the 7950x3d isnt far behind along with the 13900k

in gaming although the 7950x3d seems to perform best, it does seem to struggle to keep it's lead in 4k rt gaming and either gets beat out by the 13900ks, 13900k, or the 7950x by a frame or 2 here and there for only a few games in either a better average or a better 1% lows with gpu bound games that prefer higher boost clocks.

However, overall the 7950x3d seems to be a top performer next to the 7800x3d which doesnt perform well in any other regard except gaming which cant be said about the 7950x3d

the 7950x3d is also almost as efficient as the 7800x3d and has lower power draws making it generate less heat. i think i should choose this based off my vanlife goals over the extremely hot 13900k / ks.

[vernal kettle]

but intel is in favor when you sell your rig

after years*

[vale mulch]

i actually dont have an intent for that or a plan for that. i dont really plan on selling it. if anything i plan on swapping out better parts in the future.

[proper dove]

For 2.50$ because old high end systems depreciate in value fairly quickly

[vale mulch]

but also i feel like people lack foresight, i do remember amd being sort of hipster back then like 10 years ago.. but that is not the case anymore. if the trend continues. then i dont know if intel will be in favor in 10 years when i even begin to think about a upgrade job let alone selling it

[vernal kettle]

i trust intel lol

[proper dove]

Amd was dogshit 10 years ago

[vernal kettle]

they are everywhere pretty mush

i trust nvidia

[vale mulch]

i feel like i have been getting a strange push towards intel from fans almost as if it was like a football team lol

[vernal kettle]

blue vs red kinda lol

[proper dove]

Wooh Team Red

[vernal kettle]

personally for me amd will be the 2nd choice always

cpu or gpu lol

[proper dove]

Intel will always be my 3rd choice for gpus

[vernal kettle]

me too lol

for now*

[pine totem]

My first choice will always be the best value

[proper dove]

Depends if Battlemage is promising

[vale mulch]

at the end of the day, im just here to refute objective data on these cpus.

i literally didnt care who won in the end, but the 13900k or the better performing 13900ks are definitely in the top 5 cpus in the world right now.

to say intel is completely out of the game is insane. the 13900k is a great cpu for a great price. the 13900ks is a luxury splurge option for people who want to squeeze out even more performance. they make great overclockers.

i would say if i didnt plan on gaming as much or streaming or vtubing. then the 13900ks would have been a better choice especially if i didnt plan on living in my van

[vernal kettle]

personally i wait for intel 14th gen

[vale mulch]

14th gen will be even better than the ks and will probably exceed the 7950x and 7950x3d in gaming

[vernal kettle]

and for your case me personally i would had make a perso mini data center with a gaming rig near

[pine totem]

Lets see 8000 séries too

[vale mulch]

i dont want to wait til 2024 tho

[pine totem]

But for now 7950x3d is à great pick

[vernal kettle]

i hope nvidia will join the party

[pine totem]

I dont

[vernal kettle]

2000$ for a cpu

5000$ for cpu and gpu pack

[proper dove]

They make arm cpus

[vale mulch]

that could be interesting but they are already sweating over amd

[vernal kettle]

for now*

[vernal kettle]

not really

[pine totem]

7000 if you want to overclock the cpu

[vernal kettle]

+1000 if you want to access the software

[vale mulch]

why would it cost more to overclock

[pine totem]

Ngreedia

[pine totem]

+2000 to use rebar and xmp

[vernal kettle]

• nvidia taxes for fun

[pine totem]

• monthly subscription

[vernal kettle]

• 1000$ for additionnal support

[vale mulch]

do new parts come out the same time every year

[proper dove]

The 4070 should be the 4060 ti

[vale mulch]

or is it just random

[vernal kettle]

technically

[vale mulch]

when

[vernal kettle]

gpu are 2 year each

[pine totem]

Nuh uh

[vernal kettle]

next gen is supposed to be out during the end of the year uh

[pine totem]

No shit its like that for All gpu this gen

[vale mulch]

i dont think i can wait 3 months for 14th gen either

alright so now what's next

lmao

the mb?

or the gpu

[pine totem]

Yuh uh

Gpu

[vernal kettle]

a 4070 with 12gb? lol

[vale mulch]

alright what stats on a gpu matter the most

[vernal kettle]

power draw

tensor cores

since u wanted RT Go for nvidia RTX 4090 lol

[pine totem]

just say your use case your budget and well find the right one for you

[vale mulch]

with cpu the core speed matters the most but then the cores and boost matter too but all together not really cause its hard to quantify those stats to real world performance.

[vale mulch]

i did

[vernal kettle]

🤓

[pine totem]

Where is it

[vale mulch]

very top

and then more in depth details about aspirations are like first 25 messages

[pine totem]

Say it again i cant find it

[vale mulch]

no budget

[pine totem]

4090

[vernal kettle]

4090

your van will be sweaty lol

[pine totem]

The best gpu on the market rn

[vernal kettle]

by far

[vale mulch]

okay but on pcpp

i want to learn how to read all this

[pine totem]

Uuuuuhhhh

Idk

[vernal kettle]

what?

[pine totem]

Oh you could also get the noctua 4080,heat less, very silent

But 4090 better

[vernal kettle]

cost more

[vale mulch]

everyone always says 4090 4090 4090 4090

but like

[vernal kettle]

YOU HAVE NO bUDGET DUH

[vale mulch]

theres like 100 different 4090s lmao

[pine totem]

Yeah but its silent as hell

[vernal kettle]

go for a popular brand

[vernal kettle]

true

[vale mulch]

you make no sense to me right now

[pine totem]

The Model dont matter

But get the liquid cooled one lol

[vale mulch]

the names of the gpu dont even have the number 4090 in it

which one is THE 4090 lmao

[vernal kettle]

clearly doing this on purpose

[vale mulch]

i see chipset has the numbers 4090 in it

[pine totem]

Bro💀

[vale mulch]

but other than that no clue what you are saying

[pine totem]

Im out of here

[vale mulch]

sorry if i seemed like i learned a lot with cpus. its cause i spent 7 days straight on it

i dont know shit about gpus

[vernal kettle]

dont make it overwhelming just take a liquid cool 4090 if you got the money

[vale mulch]

is liquid cool the name of the gpu

[pine totem]

Simple as that : all 4090 have the same shit, the cooling is just diiferent and the manufacturer change, i aint gon explain the 4090 itself

[pine totem]

💀

[vale mulch]

ooof

i wish you would explain this lol

[vernal kettle]

[vale mulch]

alright lets just start with the basics

what's the core speed and boost speed of a cpu

[vernal kettle]

no need basic

[pine totem]

Nuh uh im out

[vernal kettle]

LIQUID COOLED

L I Q U I D

C O O L E D

[pine totem]

Its cooled by liquid

[vale mulch]

why / how on earth does a gpu have a core speed on its own and how does it have a boost speed on its own

also what is the memory

how does a gpu have memory

i dont get it

[vernal kettle]

omgawd are you building a pc or trying to understand on it works

[pine totem]

🗿

[vale mulch]

on top of this, which of these are the most important

[vernal kettle]

@Clyde

[pine totem]

None of that bullshit is needed to know to build à pc

Just take à 4090

[vale mulch]

so you dont know it then either

[vernal kettle]

Chatgpt will love to be your friend

[vernal kettle]

exactly

[vale mulch]

idk who that is

[pine totem]

Exactly x2

We aint gpu Maler

Maker

[vernal kettle]

just know that a gpu is responsible of the graphics

[vale mulch]

well unfortunately it wont make this faster

im gonna find out what i want to know

one way or another

[pine totem]

Well thats whitout us

[vernal kettle]

https://chat.openai.com

[vale mulch]

ik that part

what is chatgpt

[vernal kettle]

use this and dont waste our time

[pine totem]

Bro is trolling

[vale mulch]

im not gonna make an account for

[pine totem]

Or live under à Rock

[vernal kettle]

a van*

[vale mulch]

i said i know that part

ik a gpu is for graphics lol

i dont really know anything else tho

[vernal kettle]

so you not gonna make an account to help you respond your question?

[pine totem]

Just ask chat gpt for the love of god

Or look it up on Youtube

Not here

[vale mulch]

what is chat gpt

[vernal kettle]

an AI responding to your dumbest question to hard question

https://chat.openai.com/

find it here

[austere shale]

I’m terms of gpus different models have different speeds and different amounts of vram and a whole bunch of other stuff. The same model can have a cooler made by different coolers made by a variety of different companies. There’s little difference between the reputable companies. In terms of models you’re probably looking for a 4090. Basically you can get pretty much any card that is a 4090. Maybe the only thing you want to look for are the OC cards which may give you a few extra frames. Other than that you can basically choose any card you like the look of that says 4090

[primal junco]

@vale mulch https://pcpartpicker.com/list/69CBgb how does this look.. spec'ed out a pink/white themed build including peripherals

parts are mostly white coz not many parts are available in pink, case and peripherals are pink, and for aRGB parts you can use their software to set them to pink!

also the reasoning behind the 13900ks over 7950x3d is because intels faster cores just work better in gaming and overall productivity, but unless you are using cpu rendering for example in blender, you might not want the 7950x3d, intel just happens to be better these days overall.. aaand also the ks is a handpicked batch of cpu's, tends to be a better batch in overclocking etc.. you will not notice any real world difference in gaming or productivity tasks if you are using either of the two.. they will fall very close in fps in games if you choose the 4090 as your gpu

[fierce spindle]

Why 3 huge O-LED monitors? 😂

I bought that alienware as my first OLED monitor and it has been so frustrating

I'm actually even debating on throwing it out

[primal junco]

i mean.. they wanna ball out

[primal junco]

reallyy? why soo?

[fierce spindle]

Its just so annoying

Quality of the insge is fine, really nice, blacks are black, all that good stuff is true

Pixel shift.. okay, fine, its annoying it happens like every 5 minutes and its definitely noticeable, but fine.. if helps against burn in

But imagine you're in a game, pwning noobs -as u do- and sudeenly in the center of the monitor there appears a huge pop-up, blocking all the view: "oh hey, do you want to refresh your pixels now? Your monitor will go blank for 7 minutes" and the only option is "YES" (or turning the monitor off and on)... EVERY 4 HOURS.
Yesterday i got another popup "hey, lets do a pizexel reset. It will take about an hour", so an hour you cant use the monitor.
The best part is: you can only do these things when the monitor is active. They dont ask you when it goes in stand-by. YOU CANT EVEN MANUALLY DO IT WHEN ITS IN STAND-BY.
Then, now and then it decides to just not start. Then you need to unplug and replug power.

I can get rid of the pop-ups, but still. What I described is straight out of the box standard settings. How they intend people to use it. Its so stupid and annoying

[primal junco]

omg thats messed..

yeah the double edged sword of being on the bleeding edge

i was gunna suggest a VA or an IPS ultrawide, coz they are really good now

but i did not know such issues came up still, i dont have an oled myself

i dont even have a pc, i've worked with/on pc's before

[fierce spindle]

I shouldv followed my instinct and gone for LG, straight to the source of OLED, lol

[primal junco]

but im stuck on an m1 macbook pro, and a dell inspiron 2 in 1 12th gen

2 laptop setup, 1 mac, 1 windows, works just fine

[fierce spindle]

Also: i wouldnt go for OLED if most of the images gonna be static. So I'ld have OLED for main, but not as secondary monitors.

[primal junco]

until i compare my dell laptops performance in gaming, to anyone elses, and i get annihlated

cuz say in valorant, i get about 80 fps, with 1% avg of 45, and others with the same laptop, end up with 150 with 1% avg of 125

i dont know how

my experience with windows has been terrible with performance... always

[primal junco]

truee

[fierce spindle]

Oh yea, thats terrible

[primal junco]

very much

[fierce spindle]

Valorant isnt even demanding

[primal junco]

yeahh it is terrible

i've tried resetting the pc, reinstalling windows without the dell bloatware, and many other fixes, never worked for me

[fierce spindle]

I need to cap my maxfps, bc if I dont it shoots from 400 to 900 all the time, which isnt great

[primal junco]

even happened on my hp machine which i had before this, 11th gen cpu, and a lenovo, 10th gen cpu

[fierce spindle]

You should log temps, might be just a massive throttle

[primal junco]

i have actually, my temps have been very stable, and i only play in an air conditioned room

which is freezing cold for me

might just opt in for a thermal paste replacement for once to satisfy myself tbh

[fierce spindle]

Sounds not normal tho. Really weird. I dont think the thermal paste replacement will do all that much, but it wont hurt. Maybe you'll discover they forgot removing a piece of plastic cover somewhere. Or something

But if thats the case it should throttle hard

[primal junco]

maybe, i doubt it tho, i have although been carrying forward the same ssd through the three machines

soo it has been the same install of windows, but i have tried a different ssd

with the same results, somehow even worse

leading me to believe either im the bad luck

or my silicon lottery has been terrible every single time

[primal junco]

which means a complete fresh install

i just choose to carry the same ssd forward coz its a seagate ssd which im really comfortable with, and im just too lazy to reinstall and re-setup all my apps

lmao

[fierce spindle]

SSD shouldnt be the issue. What are the specs tho?

Also sorry @vale mulch that we're taking over your thread, but whats 200 messages more at this point, right? 😂

[primal junco]

i7-1255U, nvidia mx550 dGPU (2GB VRAM), 32GB DDR4-2666 (previously had a single 16GB 3200 stick, then up/downgraded to 2 16gb sticks of 2666), 512GB Seagate Barracuda 510 SSD,

Dell Inspiron 7420 2-in-1

[primal junco]

true

[night jasper]

@vale mulch check out this prebuilt I found

[fierce spindle]

Okay yea, i think its mainly just the GPU thats ur issue

[primal junco]

yeah somehow that gpu tanked performance further

with the gpu disabled through device manager, i get about like 80 fps in valorant, and 100 fps in minecraft

and with the gpu enabled i get 50 in valorant, and 120 in minecraft

which i do not understand at all, cuz that gpu is supposedly faster than the integrated intel iris xe graphics, proven by the 3dmark scores

and the minecraft performance

but it doesnt translate to valorant the same way, somehow its worse

50 fps with 1%average of 20

which is actually unplayable

soo most of the time i have the gpu disabled

[fierce spindle]

2gb if vram is nothing, but i can see how it can hold a lot of assets in minecraft, where it wong be able to do that for valorant. So the integrated chip being right next to the cpu chip and in a direct link with the RAM might make some sense out of it all? Whereas the writing to wnd reading of the dedicated card might take too long / go too slow?

[primal junco]

probably would make sense, but for a fact one of my friends has the same laptop as me, and he gets over 150 fps in valorant

and performance testing on the web has shown similar reasons

results*

[fierce spindle]

You'll have to build your own pc, my man 😂

[primal junco]

lmao yes probably

but being an esports title, i believe valorant can even run on a toaster

i think im just cursed

cuz touch wood
knocks own head

i havent had any issues with my mac whatsoever

[fierce spindle]

Cant u run val on there?

[primal junco]

on my mac? nooo

its an m1 mac

soo i cant run any game that isnt arm mac native

[fierce spindle]

Sounds like an issue to me 😏

[primal junco]

lmao yea no im not too much into gaming

i occasionally play valorant to give my friend some company

but good catch nonetheless

it is an issue

although this wwdc apple released a game dev kit

for game devs

to translaate x86 games to arm

and promote developement for arm native games

soo i expect to see more games show up to mac now

bold move by apple

but its practically just wine with a couple extra lines of code

thats what the devs of the interweb have seen

[fierce spindle]

You make it sounds as a chore 😂

[primal junco]

it isss

cuz im badd

😭😭

like really bad

i get annihlated instantly

im still iron 1

[fierce spindle]

Oh lordie 😂

[primal junco]

yuppp

[fierce spindle]

Yall can 5 stack with us if ur nice

Just silver / gold, nothing too serious

[primal junco]

ouu. lemme see

im currently travelling till 12 august

and i only carry my beloved macbook to travel

but i'll hit u up when i get home

[fierce spindle]

If your PC can handle discord while running Val.. 😂😂😂

[pine totem]

Im still Iron lol

[primal junco]

it can lol

[primal junco]

less goo!! im not the only onee

[pine totem]

I am Iron cause i dont play tho

[primal junco]

oof nvm

[pine totem]

Used to be around Gold i think?

[primal junco]

im in iron cuz i suck

[primal junco]

dang thats nuce

im also open to just hanging out btw, so u can hit me uppp

[pine totem]

Sûre ig

[primal junco]

yupp

[pine totem]

Im ass at valorant now

[primal junco]

oooof

[fierce spindle]

I should be pretty high ranked if i ever played on EU, i think, but I only ever played val with bronze-silver US friends. Its fun 🤓

[primal junco]

dreams gunna cry seeing an extra 400 messages abt someone else's tech support plus valorant chitchat

[primal junco]

i play eu exclusively lmao

[fierce spindle]

Yes

[pine totem]

Nuh uh

[pine totem]

Lol dont care

[primal junco]

lmaoo

[jade sand]

Ok so bro is rich, just get him a 4090 💀

[primal junco]

yasss

14900ks and a 5090 if he decides to wait long enough

xD

it aint that far away tbf

[pine totem]

Blud is prolly trolling too

[jade sand]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

[pine totem]

Only joined recently and is asking dumb question

Bit süß

[fierce spindle]

Thats the sus part? 😂

[primal junco]

are you german by any chance

[fierce spindle]

Not the rich by crypto, running AI on phone, being rich but using an ass old laptop thats falling apart?

[jade sand]

bro just said syss

[pine totem]

Nuh uh

[primal junco]

lolllllll

[primal junco]

yuoo

[pine totem]

Yeah nvm

[primal junco]

dang then?

[fierce spindle]

He baguette, i think

[primal junco]

lmaooo maybe

who knows

[jade sand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibNjPksgaOA&t=1044s&ab_channel=HardwareUnboxed

[pine totem]

Oui

Me is baguette

But live close to Germany

[primal junco]

ayyy ddass nicee

[primal junco]

ouu i see

[pine totem]

And have German friend

In Elsass

Its cool place

Close to swiss too

[primal junco]

im indian.. i have lived in india for exactly 5 years since my birth, then moved to nigeria for 2 years, lived in tanzania for 9 years, moved to zambia for a year, and now im back in tanzanian

[primal junco]

ouu

i've been to a couple cities in france.. loved it.. did not wanna come back

then immmediately visited netherlands and loved it more

xD

switzerland is heaven thoooooo

[fierce spindle]

Man has seen the world lol

[jade sand]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YThsH2

Man, im dead

[primal junco]

lmao lots of countries.. not the world tho

[fierce spindle]

Wheres the RAM my duuuude

[jade sand]

wip

[fierce spindle]

Ok ok

Dream gonna be happy her boyfriend (discord) has been active

[primal junco]

i've been to these countries (chronologically ordered):
India
Nigeria
Iran
Turkey
Tanzania
Malaysia
Singapore
Sri Lanka
Maldives Islands
United States of America
Canada
Switzerland
Netherlands
France
Belgium
Italy
Spain
Czech Republic
SK
Japan
NewZealand
Zambia
Egypt
South Africa
Lesotho
Namibia
and currently residing in Tanzania

add Philippines after Singapore btw

[primal junco]

lol yessssssssssss

[jade sand]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/s9zmfv better?

[primal junco]

if gaming is first priority i'd always go intel

tbf

[jade sand]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html

[primal junco]

yeah i did see that

but personal preference, i've had better compatibility, and no bullshit with intel

[jade sand]

Nice opinion, unfortunately I have facts and logic on my side

[primal junco]

i had one amd cpu and tons of bs issues

[jade sand]

when was it?

[primal junco]

about like 4 years ago

ryzen 2000 series

[jade sand]

💀

[primal junco]

yuuh

[pine totem]

Bro went every where, also which City?

[jade sand]

they were only good cause they were hella cheap ngl

[primal junco]

although ryzen second gen was absolute dogshit

sooo couldnt complain

7th gen seems amazing at first sight

[jade sand]

7000 series smegsy ong

[primal junco]

till you have them asus boards clowning them, blowing them up xD

[jade sand]

lol

[primal junco]

in which country? france?

[jade sand]

Singapore is beautiful, also pretty nice as a turist because if ppl get caught pick pocketing you they basically dissapear

[primal junco]

agreeedddd

[jade sand]

But I heard living there can be pretty tough

[primal junco]

yesss, have a couple friends in singapore and malaysia

living there is really tough

any south east/south asian countries will be tough to live in

[fierce spindle]

Pls list all the cities of all the countries, thx

[primal junco]

lmao u hate me innit?

[fierce spindle]

No, I'm interested 🤓

[primal junco]

oof, thats a lot tho..i'll dm it to u in 3-4 business days

[fierce spindle]

What the hell even is Lesotho

[primal junco]

xDD

[fierce spindle]

Googling

[primal junco]

its a country in south africa

if you get what i meaan

[fierce spindle]

I see how budget went into traveling and not PC 😂

[primal junco]

yeah true

[jade sand]

lesotho is an enclave in South Africa

[pine totem]

Yuh

[primal junco]

lets move to a gc or another chat if y'all wanna keep chatting!

[fierce spindle]

Nah, dream started this, she'll endure it now

[primal junco]

lyon, bordeaux, paris ofc, orleans, marseilles, st tropez, nice, marseilles

it was a 3 week long trip

[primal junco]

ooooooooof

[fierce spindle]

And u seriously cant afford a decent PC?

😂

[primal junco]

i can

my parent wont let me tho

how do u think i have a 1700 usd macbook

and a 1200 usd windows laptop

[pine totem]

Lyon is neat, come to Strasbourg one Day

[primal junco]

and a 14pro max, an ipad, xm5's. 2 pairs of airpods pro, 1 first gen, one second gen, apple watch s6, and apple watch ultra

and soo many things that i havent mentioned

xD

i can afford it, but my parents dont want me to buy a pc

they say its too immobile

[fierce spindle]

Man's started the flex

[primal junco]

i cant move it if i have to move somewhere

[primal junco]

ofc!

[fierce spindle]

The list of countries was biggest flex tho 👀

[primal junco]

i shall add that to my list of cities, u'll pick me up when i get there from the railway station?

[pine totem]

Sûre

[fierce spindle]

He's just gonna throw cheeseburgers at you

[pine totem]

Yuh uh

[fierce spindle]

I wouldnt trust it

[primal junco]

noice

got a buddy who will show me sround

love itt!

[primal junco]

loll

[pine totem]

Yr

Ye

[fierce spindle]

Iron Val lan-party @ Strasbourg 🥳

[pine totem]

Yooo would be sick

[primal junco]

trueeeeeee

[vale mulch]

I'm not really into prebuilds

[fierce spindle]

Mom woke up

[vale mulch]

Oh no I don't mind I'm reading all of them. I'm just at work

I need the info to learn

[night jasper]

I was joking Btw

[austere shale]

Btw for this you probably won’t be able to achieve the full 6400mhz. As ddr5 is quite new you want to get ram kits that are 4x32gb and not 2 seperate sets of 2x32gb as those 2 sticks are guaranteed to work with eachother but not other sticks. It’s probably still fine but I wouldn’t bother getting anything over 6000mhz if you’ll get 2 seperate sets. Currently I have 2 sets of 2x16gb which are rated at 6000mhz but I can only get 5200mhz out of them, my friend managed to get 5600mhz with a similar setup. To get the full speed I think you have to do so much fine tuning in the bios that I don’t even think it’s worth it

[vale mulch]

im finally off work

[fierce spindle]

Read: spam of graphs and videos incomming

[austere shale]

Books? No
Journals? No
Blogs? No
News articles? No

Discord chats? Yes

[vale mulch]

discord chat is like reddit live.

but people are actually here

if i didnt use secondary opinions, the result i would have came up with would have been much more different

i slept for a few hours

i have until noon to do pc research yayy

[vale mulch]

it looks like a good one. but ive come too far to settle.

[vale mulch]

that case is super cute.

something like this is up my alley.

i still can't lean one way or the other.

i mostly like 7950x3d for am5 and i dont really like lga1700

what do i gain by going more productivity than gaming?

cause yeah i do need a workstation, but the 7950x3d can be used for a workstation, it's just not as good as the other 3 cpus at all.

the 7950x is much better in productivity and for a good price
13900k is even better too for a good price, but it is lga1700.
13900ks is probably the best, but it is overpriced and lga1700.

[vale mulch]

other than that, i still think the 7950x3d is better for a workstation than most of the remaining market.

i would rather have, 20 fps here and there than 500 more samples in a given timeslot. im familiar with gaming, im not familiar with all the tools and resources so if something like file explorer opens up 0.5 seconds faster on the 13900ks then, i think im okay. i know these other 3 cpus are better in productivity, but I dont really know what i am missing out on if that much at all by choosing the 7950x3d

13900ks is a great cpu tho. so is the 13900k, but i think i would almost definitely go the 13900ks if i went intel

i would only go the ks if it was around that $730 price point. i have the money to drop $1000 on it, but at that point it's just shooting me in the foot. its so insanely overpriced at 1k lmao.

[vale mulch]

this basically lines up with the research ive done myself as well.

even LTT admits that "amd makes the only cpus that matter rn" with respect to gaming.

and they do, why would you enjoy paying more for the same performance.

all the results ive seen show the 13900k below amd.

so when i found out the 13900ks is the same cpu but pushed more, i thought it could contend, and it does but it's just not worth for gaming. and i see more value in going stronger in gaming and secondary as productivity.

cause with video editing and streaming and all the other stuff i want to do this level of productivity should be completely fine.

i wont be able to store multiple open AI sets unless i get a huge ssd or something tho.

[vale mulch]

i am curious about what PBO and UV are tho

[vale mulch]

i wanna travel more, i am filipina

only half tho, so i dont have the skin. my sister does tho

[vale mulch]

are asus mbs bad?

[vale mulch]

it also seems like the rtx 4090 is the only gpus that matter

7900 and 4080 seem okay

but i dont know really anything about gpus

so from what i hear, it's basically no longer amd vs intel now

now it's basically 90% nvidia. and nvidia is it's own brand right? but amd still makes some gpus and growing, and intel makes gpus now but is seen as a joke.

[vale mulch]

omgg the case tho

[vale mulch]

yes

so basically, ik eventually im gonna look into real world performance

but why not just choose one of these and call it a day??

none of these are 4090

but they have the highest memory of all consumer gpus

and then the top 9 all have 32 - 48 gb memory

none of them are 4090

it's not until we get to 24 gb that we see a 4090 in the "chipset" part

so like my confusion is, why is everyone recommending a chipset number

is the chipset the gpu? or is the gpu something else?

what is a chipset?