Thoughts for a $1600 PC

[eager solstice]

It's good, but possibly get a better cpu cooler?

And maybe a different motherboard?

[hollow nacelle]

The motherboard, cooler, and PSU imo are kind of bare minimum right now. You could afford to upgrade those honestly.

[eager solstice]

What's the most you're willing to spend? I'm editing your list

Welp, I'm sticking with $1610

@eager solstice https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wsLmfv Try this!

Did this for $5 less than original, and may have even better overall quality to the whole thing

Or, you could upgrade to a Ryzen 9 7900X. It costs less and has more cores and threads, and it's faster, but no 3D V-cashe. You can lose 3D V-cashe though, right?

[eternal flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DKqZBj

[eternal flint]

7900x isn't really a upgrade

[eager solstice]

4 more cores, 8 more threads, and +.5 GHz speed isn't an upgrade?

The only con, again, is the absence of 3D V-cashe, but no biggie

[eternal flint]

15 percent slower in games

V cache makes a difference

[eager solstice]

Well

Ok maybe

Let me see

https://versus.com/en/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-vs-amd-ryzen-9-7900x Explain ZIS!

[eternal flint]

No benchmarks

[eager solstice]

Wait what

How does the one with less cores and threads give higher fps..?

[eternal flint]

Uses clock speed as a measurement

Has TJMAX of all things as a point for the 7900x

[eternal flint]

That just means that amd loses a point over any intel cpu

[eternal flint]

L3 cache baby

Also because cores don't scale in games

[eager solstice]

I was about to say that

Ok, then the 7800X3D stays

But Nvidia for the gpu because ✨ Geforce Experience✨ and ✨ RTX✨

[eternal flint]

I have never seen anyone say they like bloatware

[eager solstice]

BUT I DO

[eternal flint]

I have a rtx gpu

[eager solstice]

And the 6650 XT is full of it

[eternal flint]

Used it twice

[eager solstice]

This person has brain

[eternal flint]

Would of rather gotten at 6700xt

Better value

Don't use dlss or rt anyways

3060 12gb
Got it in 2021 couple weeks after launch for msrp

[eager solstice]

Well

The 3060 is a great middle ground

And the 6700 XT is very similar

[eternal flint]

No its not

[eager solstice]

Well

Just for comparison, not to prove you wrong. In fact, this tells me I am wrong: https://versus.com/en/amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt-vs-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060

[eternal flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HdxBgb

[eternal flint]

That site is a load of bunk

[eager solstice]

Idc

[eager solstice]

Gpu is a little overkill

[eternal flint]

Why the fuck does it compare clock speed between 2 different generations

[eternal flint]

7600 can handle a 4090 at 4k

[eager solstice]

Oh, btw, did you know the 4090 can do 8k?

One sec, brb

[eternal flint]

No shit

[eager solstice]

I-I'm done

[eternal flint]

The 3090/4090 were advertised as 8k cards

[eager solstice]

AND THE 3090?

Wow

[eager solstice]

Ok so anyway...Do this, @eager solstice

[eternal flint]

I would do this

[inner prism]

why p5 plus

[eager solstice]

Because yes

[inner prism]

and worse ram

[eternal flint]

I have no clue why he added it

[inner prism]

the original ram and ssd were good

[eternal flint]

Tbf ram doesn't really matter for the x3d but it still matters a tiny bit

[inner prism]

ehh $1600 id go for 6000 cl30

$99 for it

mp44L is gen4 so 🤷‍♂️

[eternal flint]

Could also do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t7s3cb

[inner prism]

2 gpu?

[spare saddle]

Why not get 5600 CL28?

[inner prism]

vengance ram 😭

[eternal flint]

Forgot to remove

[inner prism]

6000 cl30 is the so called sweet spot for am5

[eternal flint]

That's more of a ddr4 thing

Ddr5 corsair is fine

And has expo support

Could switch with flarex if you really wanted too

[inner prism]

ehh fuck corsair everything except their psu and case 💀

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hrqZBj

[eternal flint]

1 dollar more for the ps120 with 7 heatpipes instead of 6

[inner prism]

6950xt better than 4070

[silver cipher]

can get a substantially better gpu

[silver cipher]

because games only utilize 8 cores at most

[eager solstice]

Oh

[silver cipher]

why not a 7700 and 7900xt tbh

[eager solstice]

So an octocore cpu is perfect right now?

[silver cipher]

maybe can fit an xtx

[silver cipher]

well depends on generation too, a 7600x will outperform a 5700x in gaming and even match it in multicore just because it's smaller amount of cores are faster

[eager solstice]

A 7600x can easily destroy a 5700x

[inner prism]

u could yeah

[silver cipher]

another example is the intel xeon 2699 is a 22 core 44 thread cpu, more than the 13900k, but loses to a 7700x, an 8 core cpu, in multicore

16 threads

[eager solstice]

Because it's meant for servers

[silver cipher]

yea

[silver cipher]

despite it having less cores

and cache

in that case the ipc improvement and clock speeds make up for it

[eager solstice]

because of the architecture

[silver cipher]

yea

[inner prism]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6WKtxs
7700 + 7900xt

[silver cipher]

though a 5800x3d matches it despite being on older architecture

[eager solstice]

Thank 3D V-cashe for that

[silver cipher]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2MwmP6/montech-air-903-max-atx-mid-tower-case-air-903-max-b if he can afford to id suggest this case

[eager solstice]

Also, why does nobody care about the 13900KS?

[silver cipher]

next gen supposedly will have 128mb of cache on the x3d

[eager solstice]

Wow

[inner prism]

expensive

[silver cipher]

cuz it's a higher binned 13900k that's overpriced

[eager solstice]

Yep

[inner prism]

7800x3d cheaper than 13900k and is the best gaming cpu

[silver cipher]

even if you overclock it you need a 420 rad

[silver cipher]

though if you overclcoked the non ks they would perform similarly

[eager solstice]

But even LTT didn't use the 13900KS in their pay-to-win build

[inner prism]

costs more tho

[eager solstice]

Yes

[silver cipher]

id bet the ks would beat an overclcoked 7800x3d if both overclcoked

[eager solstice]

I know

[inner prism]

prolly would

[eager solstice]

Anyone would bet that

[silver cipher]

yea just if cost didn't matter and you were an enthusiast overclocker

though in VR the x3d wins no matter what lol

loves the cache too much

and i bet ryzen 8000 if it has 128mb well intel is fucked

no amount of clock speeds and wattage gonna save it

unless it does like 7ghz when overclcoked lol

[eager solstice]

yes, obviously

Unless the 14900K is insane

[silver cipher]

you know the 14900k is a higher binned 13900ks?

[spare saddle]

Does intel not have a competitor to x3d

[eager solstice]

Because the new "AI Features"

[silver cipher]

an overclcoked 13900k/ks

[spare saddle]

So they do just way less efficient

[silver cipher]

next generation though i doubt they can compete though, finally a true win for amd in gaming performance wise

[silver cipher]

yea pretty much

[eager solstice]

Well, AMD was on top at one point

Everyone forgot

[inner prism]

isnt 14th gen a refresh?

[silver cipher]

next gen it'll probably a 7900xtx overclcoked vs 4090 scenario

[eager solstice]

Yes, but Intel is adding more bells and whistles

[silver cipher]

where xtx needs to pull nearly 1000 watts to come within 5% of the 4090

isn't it smartest to only oc 8 of the cores on a 13900k if you're optimizing gaming?

or flat out disable them

and just heavily oc the best 8 p cores on the cpu

[eager solstice]

That's what overclocking should be

[silver cipher]

why do people go for oc all core then

i bet you'd get more results from that

also hynix A die is a must

[eager solstice]

Oh wow

I need a better GPU Cooler

That’s not a AIO

Bc that’s wack nation

[eager solstice]

Need a Wi Fi Board sadly

I tried home networking and it’s not possible