Opinions on this GPU upgrade?

[royal sequoia]

This is my self-built PC, and its specs: https://kit.co/msieks/mid-range-budget-gaming-pc

I wouldn't consider this a 'budget option', especially this month last year. But, judging by how the GPU prices went, and still go, this was fairly a budget mid-range 1080p/60 PC for around 750 USD 😂. I can run Elden Ring at ultra around 55fps just fine, with some areas dropping down to 30-40. Enlisted works at 60fps ultra settings, The Witcher at ultra settings works on 60fps too, World of Tanks SD version on utlra settings can go well up to 60fps too. Note that I'm using VSync all the time, otherwise all of it goes 100fps nicely, although I never benchmarked anything without VSync, just had a quick glimpse.

I picked the i3-10105 (With integrated graphics), just in case, even though I could've went cheaper with the F version. Still, the i3-10105 is a really nice budget CPU.
The only thing I've managed to screw up is limiting myself to PCI3.0 settings. I would need to get an 11th gen i5 as my next budget CPU (Where the F version costs almost the same as the non-F I3 last year) in order to effectively run my current RX 6500 XT on PCI4.0.

Right now I'm focusing on an RX 6600 (Non XT), which has gotten cheaper, to the same price as the RX 6500 XT was last year when I bought it. Around 280 USD. Note that I live in the Balkans and that things works differently here. The RX 6500 XT was the card closest I could find to the MSRP in my local shops. I'm not interested in used cards, not even if you pay me your own cash to have me buy them for my PC.

So, I found an ASRock RX 6600 that should? be better than my current MSI RX 6500 XT, which I adore and have absolutely no complaints about. But, seeing how the prices go today, I smell a decent opportunity to upgrade.

Here is a side-by-side comparison of the two cards in question. The card I'd hope to upgrade my PC build with, and my current card. In most cases, the RX 6500 XT seems to be a better champ. But, I have no idea what all of these mean. The RX 6500 XT looks like its got better clock and memory speed. For gaming, is it worth upgrading to RX 6600, or should I just get an 11th gen CPU and use RX 6500 XT to its max with PCI4?

https://versus.com/en/asrock-radeon-rx-6600-challenger-d-vs-msi-radeon-rx-6500-xt-mech-2x-oc

[prisma fog]

what country

[royal sequoia]

Serbia

[prisma fog]

rx 6600 is quite a lot faster than a 6500xt

[royal sequoia]

The speeds (check link) are what make it weird for me...

[prisma fog]

ok, dont compare them by stats

compare them by the performance

[royal sequoia]

What do you mean?

[fair tiger]

use a benchmark like this

[prisma fog]

6600 is 2x as fast

[prisma fog]

and this is at pcie 4.0 isnt it

[royal sequoia]

These two are the exact graphics cards from their respective manufacturer.

[prisma fog]

dont compare 2 different gpus just by their stats

[royal sequoia]

Could it be that MSI's 2x Mech RX 6500XT is any better than ASRock's Challenger RX 6600, because look at the memory speeds.

[fair tiger]

no

[prisma fog]

the clock speeds barely matter

theyre the least important part

no 6500xt ever can beat a 6600

you can put it on LN2, OC it to the absolute limits, it will still be far behind

[royal sequoia]

How do they not matter though? What do the graphs mean?

[prisma fog]

look how everything else is halved

[prisma fog]

gamign performance

this is at 1080p max settings

[royal sequoia]

Okay, that means that the graphics card in question (not gpu) should be better than my current one? Perhaps I should've worded my question better, focusing on the card, and not just the gpu put together by the two manufacturers

[prisma fog]

35fps vs 65fps

[prisma fog]

gpu means graphics card

[fair tiger]

lol

[royal sequoia]

No, gpu is the processing unit lol

[fair tiger]

what do you think the g stands for

[prisma fog]

graphical processing unit

[royal sequoia]

Hold on.

[prisma fog]

when you say gpu you mean graphics card

you want the comparison to be about the dies of the gpus

[fair tiger]

and cpu = central processing unit

[prisma fog]

graphics card or gpu is easier to say than graphical processing unit

[royal sequoia]

Ok, let's try this. NVidia and AMDs produce GPUs right? The chips.

[fair tiger]

and intel

[royal sequoia]

MSI, PowerColor, Sapphire, etc use the chips to make the giant brick

What is usually known as the graphics card

[prisma fog]

thats called a die

not a gpu

[royal sequoia]

Oh okay

The whole case is called a die?

'case', or idk how to call it

[prisma fog]

that gray little chip is a die

[prisma fog]

shroud i guess

i think? i dont know

[royal sequoia]

Lmao maybe

I call them bricks

And that won't age well, when we see the RTX 5000 series. lol

The size of a midi tower pc 🤣

[prisma fog]

would be hilarious

[royal sequoia]

Anyway... I understand that the chip, or die, RX6600 is far better than the RX6500 XT

[fair tiger]

yup

[prisma fog]

and also in the memory

it has double the vram and bit bus

[royal sequoia]

But different manufacturers make their performance differently right? For example this MSI's 2x Mech RX6500 could perform better or worse than Idk Sapphire's RX6500 XT version?

[prisma fog]

and, pcie 3.0 fucks the 6500xt badly

[prisma fog]

marginal performance difference

the difference is usually like 100mhz tops

[royal sequoia]

I see

[fair tiger]

usually its so small its best to go for the cheapest gpu model

[royal sequoia]

Yeah, I flunked up bad 😭

[prisma fog]

theres some models that come with selected dies that are better, but those are really expensive and only for the highest end gpus

[royal sequoia]

Funnily enough, ASRock's RX 6600 is the cheapest of the RX 6600s

[prisma fog]

between the models, the biggest difference is customer support

[royal sequoia]

I heard PowerColor has shitty warranty

[prisma fog]

eh, not uncommon

[royal sequoia]

I mean in my local shop, where I would buy this if it would be an upgrade, rather than a downgrade

[fair tiger]

i always thought the place you buy from needs to have good customer support like amazon

[prisma fog]

idk, i sent mine back to the store, 2 weeks later got it back no questions asked

[prisma fog]

double the fps in games

[prisma fog]

thats prob rather to do with the store rather than powercolor

[royal sequoia]

So, in conclusion. Doesn't matter who made the bricks, the die is what matters the most? Of course, we're talking about buying the gpus from trusted manufacturers.

[prisma fog]

and the memory of it

memory is pretty important

[royal sequoia]

In this case, the memory speed being less doesn't matter when the bus width is wider, making it have better effectiveness?

And the clock speed

[prisma fog]

usually really low end gpus have better clock speeds to make up for their lack of everything else

the clock speeds get lower as higher end the gpu is

not always

[royal sequoia]

I see.

Will PCI3 kill the RX6600 too?

Not like I can't get an 11th get i5

[prisma fog]

not as much

[royal sequoia]

Well, thanks for the help. And the swift response too, rarely get decent answers these days. Peace!

[prisma fog]

im very bored

[royal sequoia]

Same

I should be working

But I'm looking at the prices of GPUs today and decided to switch topics lol

[prisma fog]

i dont have anything to do

ig i could try undervolting my gpu

gets a bit hot these days

[royal sequoia]

Mine barely goes above 70 when playing WT at ultra

Kinda impressed tbh

(pci3 💀)

[prisma fog]

i got to 90C hotspot playing payday 2

[fair tiger]

WT is incredibly easy to run so im not suprised

[prisma fog]

we are talking about temps

[fair tiger]

ye

if a game is easy to run your pc wont get as hot