Trying to configure my 1st PC

[nocturne hemlock]

I want to try getting an actual PC. I've been putting this off for a long time but really want to get into it now. But I'm not good at knowing what goes together well.

This might sound odd but I want to have the gpu be an Arc A380 because of the insane value. However I will only use that gpu as the main gpu for less than a year, between 6-12 months after i get this pc i want to upgrade the main gpu to a 4070 or 4060.

So if you can could you please pick me a PC thats 750$, and wont bottle neck a 4070/4060 in the future. Or is that impossible?

[crisp wharf]

what?

a380 just to upgrade it in less than a year?

why would you do that

[nocturne hemlock]

I want to use it for encoding. i stream for fun alot

[crisp wharf]

you're gonna use two cards?

[nocturne hemlock]

yes in the end

[thick lodge]

eh

[nocturne hemlock]

but for the first 6-12 months just a380

[crisp wharf]

it's a waste to just reuse it as an encoder lmao

though, I'll see what I can do

(I suck at this btw)

you fine going with ddr4?

[nocturne hemlock]

how can taht be bad?

like whats the worst that could happen from using ddr4

(fyi im like a total noob)

[crisp wharf]

some people don't use ddr4 at all anymore because of future proofing

because of ddr5, it's dropped in price and is an insane value

16gb for 30$

or 32gb for 50$

ddr5 is like 100+

for 16

[nocturne hemlock]

oh kk ddr5 then yolo

oh wait

no

ddr4 32 gb

i thought u were saying ddr5 dropped in price

[crisp wharf]

it barely has any performance uplift, it just that newer CPUs are cutting dd4 support

[nocturne hemlock]

ehh, if i cant use it in the future in my main rig, i bet ill have a server i can put it into

[crisp wharf]

I don't think you should worry about it because current ddr4 CPUs are still amazing

[nocturne hemlock]

yeah

money matters more for me for now

[crisp wharf]

you need wifi?

[nocturne hemlock]

i have a hard limit of 750$

no

[crisp wharf]

great, you just saved around 30ish

[nocturne hemlock]

i got a usb wifi adapter if ill need wifi

[crisp wharf]

those suck

USB?

[nocturne hemlock]

all i need is frames...

[nocturne hemlock]

yeah, but i'll mostlikely only use it in an emergency

[nocturne hemlock]

lol)

[crisp wharf]

a380 right?

[nocturne hemlock]

yes

[crisp wharf]

also rgb?

[nocturne hemlock]

not an rgb guy, but if i have it i dont mind it. most important things for me are price and frames

[crisp wharf]

I need to cut cost somewhere

it's 792.11

do you mind a worse case?

[nocturne hemlock]

hmm, no i think its fine, ill just save up for a bit

[crisp wharf]

wait, I forgot the cooler

[nocturne hemlock]

oof

[crisp wharf]

you mind downgrading to 16g

gb

[nocturne hemlock]

but i can upgrade in the future right, or would that have downsides?

also i have an nvme ssd, so storage isnt necessary

[crisp wharf]

oh

alright

45$ over budget

really overkill cpu for a380 though lol

wrong link

sorry about that

[nocturne hemlock]

lol its ok

[crisp wharf]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xdhTd9

[nocturne hemlock]

i was so confused

[crisp wharf]

I'm using incognito so I don't mess up my build because for some reason you can have two

and incognito doesn't have link copying for me

so I was pasting the wrong one

[nocturne hemlock]

thats ok

yeah looks sweet i think, ill just ask some ppl for a second opinion and go order it

[crisp wharf]

ask rety, he's way better than me

though, fully explain the situation as he'll ask about the overkill cpu

[nocturne hemlock]

@grizzled dust Hi, so sorry to bother, if you can please check out this build and see if you think its ok, or if you think something should be changed.

the requirements were:
The build should be able to handle a 4060 or 4070 without being bottle necked, because i want to upgrade to that in about 6-12months time.
the build should start with a a380 GPU because when i upgrade I will use it for encoding streams/videos at 4k 75mbps.
The budget is $750-800

[crisp wharf]

I just love how you can force add people into these threads by pinging them

it's just waiting to be abused

[grizzled dust]

i would prob go with a 7600

oo the x is the same price rn

[grizzled dust]

do you need wifi?

[nocturne hemlock]

no

[crisp wharf]

the x3d has 8x 16t, is the 7600 really that much better?

also, he has already requested dd4 over ddr5 since it's cheaper

[nocturne hemlock]

Does it support ddr4?

[grizzled dust]

no

but the 7600 is cheaper outright

[nocturne hemlock]

oof

[grizzled dust]

they have the same multicore performance

[nocturne hemlock]

btw arent x3d unstable or somethign?

[grizzled dust]

and same gaming performance

the 7600 just puts you on a better platform

[crisp wharf]

x3ds can't be over clocked that well

they have good out the box performance to make up

[nocturne hemlock]

kk

[crisp wharf]

true

[grizzled dust]

@nocturne hemlock https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qG8myK

[nocturne hemlock]

damn

[crisp wharf]

that is good

[grizzled dust]

do you want rgb? @nocturne hemlock

[crisp wharf]

see what I meant when I said I suck at this

[grizzled dust]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DCxNXy
little cheaper

[nocturne hemlock]

Im fine with it, i care way more about price to performance

[grizzled dust]

yeah fortunately the rgb variant of the cooler barely costs any more and there are plenty of budget cases that come with argb fans

[crisp wharf]

how are the thermals compared to the lancool 216?

[grizzled dust]

well

the lancool 216 is the best performing case in its stock config

but the cg560 is still good and has argb fans, not to mention cheaper

cases are largely preference tbf

temp variance is usually minimal so you just go with what you like and/or is well priced

[crisp wharf]

lancool 216 is a personal preference to me as I prefer 2 massive front fans vs 3 fans

that's why I chose it in my list

[grizzled dust]

@nocturne hemlock question, does your current build have something better than an a380?

[nocturne hemlock]

awesome, how hard do you think it will be to build this? (i have 0 experience only openned up my laptop a few times to fix the wifi.) or should i pay a professional to assemble it?

[grizzled dust]

oh laptop

[crisp wharf]

off topic but I just want to mention, I love how the a770 looks but it's overpriced for what it is

[nocturne hemlock]

i have a laptop that might be a bit better but im selling it to get this

[grizzled dust]

i see

[crisp wharf]

a 4070 will definitely fix that

how are you gonna afford that?

[grizzled dust]

everything goes in one place

[grizzled dust]

hard to mess up building

[nocturne hemlock]

kk

ill be rewatching ltts huge pc building vid

[grizzled dust]

i'd watch or at least skim through some build guides beforehand

always read manuals if you're confused on anything

thats about it

[nocturne hemlock]

ok phew

I CAN DO IT

ill keep this thread open just in case i run into hella trouble

[crisp wharf]

only one thing same from my list 😐

[grizzled dust]

actually, i'm kinda iffy about the a380

you would be using that for stream encode? after you get a 4070?

[nocturne hemlock]

foundation is the most important part of the building even though its never seen or isn't the biggest part of a building

[nocturne hemlock]

yeah basically, encode decode. for av1

[grizzled dust]

i'm thinking you just get a 6600 for now

just so your actual gaming performance is better than what you have now

you can just stream with nvenc when you get your 4070

[nocturne hemlock]

how much is it

[grizzled dust]

dedicated encoding card isnt really worth it

[grizzled dust]

$180

[crisp wharf]

also, what are your thoughts on adding in an identical ram kit later on for an upgrade? someone told me it isn't a good idea, is that true? @grizzled dust

[grizzled dust]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dVk7cb

[grizzled dust]

depends on chipset

[nocturne hemlock]

but what do i do with the 6600 when i get the 4070

[grizzled dust]

4 sticks on zen4 will run at maybe 5200 tops

[grizzled dust]

sell it

[nocturne hemlock]

hmm i thought i heard that nvidia doesnt do av1 very well

[grizzled dust]

i'm recommending the 6600 because you'd have a better gaming experience

[nocturne hemlock]

i see

[grizzled dust]

no its pretty good actually

[crisp wharf]

idk which zen but Ryzen 5000 with 2x8 at 3200 cl16 with another one later

[nocturne hemlock]

oh, and its not too much for it to encode at 4k while playing a 4k game?

[crisp wharf]

it's also 100$ over budget

[grizzled dust]

should be able to, yes, although it is kinda hard to find concrete data

you also might be better off using h265

[grizzled dust]

yeah that should be fine

ideally get the same kit and model number

[crisp wharf]

alright thanks

[nocturne hemlock]

i really prefer av1

[grizzled dust]

you might be interested in an intel cpu then

for QSV

the onboard iGPU/encoder will outperform pretty much any graphics card's onboard encoder

and you can even dual encode

[nocturne hemlock]

ohhh integrrated graphics?

[nocturne hemlock]

so basically id tell my cpu integrated graphics to do the encoding, while the gpu would just have to work about the game right?

[grizzled dust]

you'd probably have to stick with ddr4 to fit a 13600k within your budget

[grizzled dust]

yes

so really you wouldn't even need an nvidia gpu unless you want to dual encode

or want other nvidia features

[nocturne hemlock]

ok, then i dont even need to buy a gpu at first

[grizzled dust]

well

if you want to game on your new system you do 😅

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x6Yhnt

motherboard seems cheap and it's matx but it has great vrms

[nocturne hemlock]

im not playing demanding titles rn, im waiting till i have a 4070 for them, for now i only play age of empires 2, valorant and csgo. do they need a gpu to play at 60fps on mid settings?

[grizzled dust]

valorant and csgo wont, no clue about age of empires

you could pick up a used rx 580 off ebay for like $60 tho

[nocturne hemlock]

age of empires is easier to run than valorant

[grizzled dust]

ah

[nocturne hemlock]

its an rts from 2013

barely 3d

[grizzled dust]

oh yeah it runs fine on uhd

[nocturne hemlock]

ok, gpu not necessary then

right?

[grizzled dust]

yep

i'd still want more than 144 fps at least 😭

[crisp wharf]

some cost-cutting going on here

[nocturne hemlock]

okie doki, thanks so much dud

[nocturne hemlock]

lol, yeah when i get that 4070

[grizzled dust]

would really recommend just picking up a used rx 580 or something in the meantime

[nocturne hemlock]

rn i dont even have a 144 screen

[grizzled dust]

they're 60 bucks and they kinda hold their value

[grizzled dust]

144 will still look better

especially for csgo/val

more updated frames

[crisp wharf]

i have a 1080p 60hz screen and I'm planning on getting a 6700 xt

crazy

[nocturne hemlock]

bro u need a better screen

[crisp wharf]

no I don't

it was free

[nocturne hemlock]

get 1440p 144hz

[crisp wharf]

I can get a better one later

[nocturne hemlock]

yeah, nvm nothing beats that

[grizzled dust]

@nocturne hemlock
rx 580 performs like the 1060 at the bottom

everything at the top is integrated graphics

[nocturne hemlock]

ill get it if ill have the money for it, i just need to get a job first

[grizzled dust]

its 60 bucks

[nocturne hemlock]

damnnnn

[grizzled dust]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8Y4jPX

[nocturne hemlock]

i got less than 200 in the bank rn, and still looking for a job lol

[grizzled dust]

$742

[nocturne hemlock]

also need to get my family from mexico to here so money's tight

[crisp wharf]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LVJPtn

monitor is so trash, I love it

[grizzled dust]

i'm still at 1080p with a 6950xt lmao

[nocturne hemlock]

(wanted to clarify that they're not mexican, were russian, they're running from the war)

[crisp wharf]

are you at 60 hz though?

[grizzled dust]

ah

[grizzled dust]

nope

[crisp wharf]

I don't need this overkill of a gpu, I just want to

[grizzled dust]

kept getting good monitor deals on 1080p panels so i havent made the switch to 1440p yet

1080p ultrawide 200hz for $200, 1080 280hz for $150

[crisp wharf]

is is more hz cheaper?

honestly just need 144hz max

I'll upgrade later

[grizzled dust]

you can still get a 280hz panel for $150

[crisp wharf]

I used to have 2 1080p 60hz monitors

[grizzled dust]

dell has been going insane lately

[crisp wharf]

don't know what happened to one of em

[grizzled dust]

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-27-gaming-monitor-g2723h/apd/210-bfiv/monitors-monitor-accessories

[crisp wharf]

just disappeared one day

[nocturne hemlock]

my dream screen:
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Gaming-VG27AQ-G-SYNC-Monitor/dp/B088MLC8PH/ref=pd_rhf_d_gw_s_gcx-rhf_sccl_1_6/130-3922553-8986405?pd_rd_w=gKS2l&content-id=amzn1.sym.2ae4ccb1-7034-4114-8654-5ba995870d70&pf_rd_p=2ae4ccb1-7034-4114-8654-5ba995870d70&pf_rd_r=AMR10DRMYH6889WSBA0R&pd_rd_wg=QZqcg&pd_rd_r=b68cd7fc-c34f-4e79-b8e8-355b8f377a40&pd_rd_i=B07WQ4FXY9&th=1

[grizzled dust]

a bit of an older panel

theres some better options now

/cheaper

[nocturne hemlock]

ah kk

[crisp wharf]

honestly man, a bunch of my shit just disappears

|| even my girlfriend, no breakup no nothing, she was just gone one day lmao ||

[nocturne hemlock]

just verifying, i need to order this, but without the gpu right

[grizzled dust]

ideally with it

but yeah thats up to date

[nocturne hemlock]

kk thx

[nocturne hemlock]

ik ik lol, maybe in the future

cant belive you guys fit so much power into less than $700

again, thank you so much yall! @grizzled dust @crisp wharf

[grizzled dust]

i love minmaxing

basically squeezing in as much performance as possible without compromise on quality

[crisp wharf]

no problem, the only thing I fit is the power supply

[nocturne hemlock]

you created a foundation for the build. Foundations aren't usually seen or appreciated, but they're the most important part of the building

[crisp wharf]

ngl, it strayed so far from the foundation lmao

[nocturne hemlock]

hahahahaaa