Do you have any throttling options enabled in your BIOS/UEFI?
#ryzen 2700x on a stock cooler is hitting about 105c and not throttling just crashing
tacit kernel
smoky harbor
Do you have any throttling options enabled in your BIOS/UEFI?
yes
smoky harbor
Is you fan plugged in
yep
tacit kernel
Whats the ambient temperature in your computer room?
smoky harbor
Whats the ambient temperature in your computer room?
18c
smoky harbor
yes that cold af i know
naive cobalt
What thermal paste you use?
tacit kernel
Does the fan SPIN?
smoky harbor
Does the fan SPIN?
yeah lol
naive cobalt
And how old is it
tacit kernel
^
naive cobalt
The thermal paste
smoky harbor
im using TM30 by corsair
naive cobalt
Ok
tacit kernel
Is this a brand new processor?
naive cobalt
When did you get it
naive cobalt
Is this a brand new processor?
No the thermal paste
tacit kernel
Is this a brand new processor?
smoky harbor
had it for a bout a year its always been this way
naive cobalt
Oh you where asking him my bad
reef trail
are the cooler's fan/fans running?
naive cobalt
had it for a bout a year its always been this way
Oof
smoky harbor
got it new
tacit kernel
Have you been overclocking the processor? Over-volting it?
naive cobalt
are the cooler's fan/fans running?
The question was already asked
reef trail
okay, I'm trying to catch up.
smoky harbor
Have you been overclocking the processor? Over-volting it?
its just using default settings
naive cobalt
Do you have the latest bios
smoky harbor
Do you have the latest bios
yep
naive cobalt
And firmware
smoky harbor
yes
naive cobalt
Have you tried cmos reset
vestal laurel
Are you the original owner of the 2700X?
tacit kernel
How old is the motherboard? PSU?
smoky harbor
Are you the original owner of the 2700X?
yes
smoky harbor
Have you tried cmos reset
multiple
naive cobalt
What are the complete system specs
smoky harbor
ryzen 2700x on a MSI gaming plus B450 and a seasonic gold plus something or other 550 watt
rtx 2060ti
smoky harbor
Also you haven’t put thermal paste in the socket
im dumb but not that dumb
tacit kernel
Also you haven’t put thermal paste in the socket
This would cause the computer to not boot
I've seen it working helpdesk 😭
smoky harbor
This would cause the computer to not boot
you would hope
naive cobalt
im dumb but not that dumb
I ask these questions bc some people on this forum don’t know anything about computers so I am just making sure.
smoky harbor
I ask these questions bc some people on this forum don’t know anything about com...
yeah i get it
smoky harbor
i normally pretty good with hardware but this is stumping me
smoky harbor
Did you try reseat cpu tho
yes
naive cobalt
i normally pretty good with hardware but this is stumping me
Ok good
tacit kernel
Do you remove the OLD paste before applying new stuff?
smoky harbor
Do you remove the OLD paste before applying new stuff?
yep
smoky harbor
cleaned with IPA
naive cobalt
GG
smoky harbor
Bro you have done all the troubleshooting steps
all that i can think of lol
naive cobalt
Have you tried the system with another cpu
tacit kernel
It’s sounding more and more like hardware to me. Do you have another system you can test with?
naive cobalt
Maybe the cpu silicon is just kinda fucked up
tacit kernel
:^)
smoky harbor
unfortunately i do not
reef trail
Ok, all caught up now. So this is an older system that was working alright previously. But now, the cpu temps spike so high that it crashes? My question is, what are you running when this happens?
tacit kernel
You could try an OS reinstall or boot from live media, but I doubt that will fix it
naive cobalt
Ok, all caught up now. So this is an older system that was working alright previ...
Nope always been doing this
smoky harbor
Ok, all caught up now. So this is an older system that was working alright previ...
no its always run hot as hell
idle temps are about 75c lmao
naive cobalt
Yeah does this happen with everything or only a few applications
naive cobalt
idle temps are about 75c lmao
Holly shit
tacit kernel
How many system case fans do you have?
smoky harbor
Yeah does this happen with everything or only a few applications
cinebench and and games and my blender renders
tacit kernel
75c to 105c isn’t that big of a gap
reef trail
Ah, catastrophically bad mounting then? Or not peeling off the plastic from the cooler.
smoky harbor
Ah, catastrophically bad mounting then? Or not peeling off the plastic from the ...
no and no
naive cobalt
What case you running
smoky harbor
What case you running
open test bench atm
naive cobalt
Have you tried with side panel off might help
smoky harbor
same results
reef trail
Even with zero fans on the case, 100+ temps are crazy.
tacit kernel
Even with zero fans on the case, 100+ temps are crazy.
Not necessarily if it’s under load and the model has shit thermal specs
naive cobalt
Lol bad joke sorry
smoky harbor
i got a box fan pointed at this mofo
reef trail
Yeah I mean, the case is unlikely to be the issue.
naive cobalt
I think the cpu is just borked
tacit kernel
^
naive cobalt
I am afraid you might have to throw it into the garbage
smoky harbor
thats what i was thinking but was hoping it wasnt
tacit kernel
Only way to confirm is different system
naive cobalt
You can probably find a good deal on a replacement for like 100$
smoky harbor
im planning to rebuild in a bout 2 months
naive cobalt
Yeah but a really cheap ryzen 3 and see if that has that issue
reef trail
I don't see how it'd get that hot though under regular loads. One fring theory is that it's just that that the thermal probe is broken and gives out wrong readings.
smoky harbor
its a bummer tho i wanted to gift it to my bro
naive cobalt
its a bummer tho i wanted to gift it to my bro
Oof
smoky harbor
I am really sorry man
nah i got an intel system and a spicy laptop im vibing
just a bummer
tacit kernel
Have you touched the CPU lid to make sure it is hot?
naive cobalt
That’s nice at least
smoky harbor
Have you touched the CPU lid to make sure it is hot?
elaborate
naive cobalt
CPU lid?
tacit kernel
That is where the fan makes contact with the CPU
naive cobalt
You mean heat sink
tacit kernel
It covers the internal electronics of the cpu
reef trail
I think he's going on about my broken thermal probe idea. You could check if the cpu is actually hot.
naive cobalt
CPU heat sink
tacit kernel
She :^)
naive cobalt
Yeah it might be lose to be honest
tacit kernel
I don’t mean the heat sink, I mean the lid
naive cobalt
Yeah
smoky harbor
you mean the ihs
reef trail
Sorry mam!
naive cobalt
HEAT SPREADER that’s what it’s called
smoky harbor
its fine as far as i can tell
tacit kernel
Can you keep your hand on it?
smoky harbor
and the heat sink seems to get decent contact
tacit kernel
Most people don’t like the feel of boiling water
smoky harbor
lemme make same pancake batter and we can test
reef trail
60°C feels hot enough that you don't want to keep your hand on it. Anything above that is just burning.
vestal laurel
DON'T put a thermistor between your CPU and the heatsink. You'll just end up crushing it and preventing the thermal transfer from working correctly.
See if your socket has a probe hole in it and use that. Should be a hole in the middle of the socket dead zone.
smoky harbor
DON'T put a thermistor between your CPU and the heatsink. You'll just end up cru...
Put it on the side lmao
smoky harbor
That’s the temp it’s reading on the side while running a game graphics test
smoky harbor
Do you have warranty on your cpu
It’s long gone if I did
naive cobalt
Maybe try de lidding the cpu
reef trail
yeah that means the cpu temp sensor is propably working alright
naive cobalt
If you feel comfortable
If you do that tho you need to make sure the thermal paste isn’t conductive
reef trail
It's running very hot, we're just not sure why
smoky harbor
yeah that means the cpu temp sensor is propably working alright
I mean it was reading 92 at the time of that pic which would track since I’m just holding that to the side
naive cobalt
And also it spreads
reef trail
I mean it was reading 92 at the time of that pic which would track since I’m jus...
Yup.
vestal laurel
Maybe try de lidding the cpu
De-lidding a 2700X. Are you mad?
That is a FULLY SOLDERED IHS.
reef trail
It's 2nd Ryzen and I can't remember if the stock coolers were good back then. They're good now, but I think the upgrade happened later.
smoky harbor
It’s the wraith cooler
vestal laurel
The Prism Wraith coolers were A-MAZING.
smoky harbor
The Prism Wraith coolers were A-MAZING.
Yeah it kept my old ryzen 5 chilly
reef trail
Yeah so I guess the upgrade was from 1st gen to 2nd gen.
vestal laurel
Yeah it kept my old ryzen 5 chilly
Have you tried a BIOS Flash? Maybe you have a controller that's a little wonky.
smoky harbor
Actually it’s was ryzen 5 gen three to 7 gen 2 lmao
vestal laurel
Ewww. Disgusting downgrade. XD
smoky harbor
Ewww. Disgusting downgrade. XD
Absolutely horrendous I know
reef trail
No I mean for the cpu series, Ryzen 1xxx had the old average coolers, everything from ryzen 2xxx had the new Wraiths.
smoky harbor
No I mean for the cpu series, Ryzen 1xxx had the old average coolers, everything...
Oh
vestal laurel
I would not call the original Wraith coolers AVERAGE. Those things had heatpipes and everything
reef trail
Anyhoo, you've got the better stock cooler then, and that should keep your cpu way cooler than it is.
vestal laurel
Even the old stock coolers were kick-ass.
smoky harbor
Even the tiny ones have giving my great cooling in the past
But it’s just crazy to me that I’m getting these temps
CPU must just want to be a stove
vestal laurel
Either that or you have a cracked TIM.
reef trail
Cooler has proven performance, fan is spinning, temp sensor is working, I think my only idea left is that, that the mounting isn't right.
smoky harbor
Cooler has proven performance, fan is spinning, temp sensor is working, I think ...
I mean I have remounted it multiple times now
vestal laurel
What does the spread pattern look like?
smoky harbor
Basically perfect
vestal laurel
Remove the cooler, take a picture, and show us?
smoky harbor
It’s not spread I am willing to bet on that
I’ve checked 3 times all have been perfect
reef trail
You need to tighten the mounting screws equally to apply equal pressure across the whole die. If the mounting pressure is not equal, you end up with lousy thermal transfer.
vestal laurel
I'm curious if you have uneven mating of the surfaces.
smoky harbor
You need to tighten the mounting screws equally to apply equal pressure across t...
It’s the cooler with the latch
reef trail
Not familiar with AMD coolers sadly, describe latch for me?
reef trail
Ah, so there's no room for user error when installing it?
smoky harbor
Unless you are talking about the screws that hold the bracket but they are tightened with a torque tench to the same amount exactly
I literally have tried everything my stupid brain can come up with lol
reef trail
Alright, that leaves us with.. hmm. I think a lousy cooler. I'd look for an option to replace it. It's not working right, and I think replacing it is your best option.
smoky harbor
Alright, that leaves us with.. hmm. I think a lousy cooler. I'd look for an opti...
Planning to get an aio
vestal laurel
Post a picture of the paste spread. I want to see the contact surfaces of the cooler and the CPU.
smoky harbor
On the 27th
smoky harbor
Post a picture of the paste spread. I want to see the contact surfaces of the co...
I’d rather not I just put new paste on and am now out so I wouldn’t be able to redo it
vestal laurel
You can re-spread and re-use the paste. It'll be fine.
smoky harbor
It’s got a slight spot in the middle that pushes a bit harder than the rest
vestal laurel
Slight spot in the middle? Yeah that's a high spot.
reef trail
I'm still unsure about what the actual issue is, but replacing is the cooler is propably less timeconsuming than trying to figure out what's going on.
vestal laurel
That will affect cooling.
smoky harbor
I might try lapping it
vestal laurel
Might not be the CPU.
vestal laurel
The 3000-series Ryzen 5 has a drastically different die layout.
smoky harbor
The 3000-series Ryzen 5 has a drastically different die layout.
Fair
vestal laurel
That could easily affect how the IHS mounts and responds over time.
reef trail
Yes but, isn't this a 2700 system?
vestal laurel
Likewise, you could have just gotten one of the garbage units.
It was originally a R5 3000-series
reef trail
Ah.
smoky harbor
I like to tinker
vestal laurel
Have you tried a BIOS re-flash?
smoky harbor
Have you tried a BIOS re-flash?
Yes
vestal laurel
Update everything with fresh code.
I think you may just have an issue with that 2700X chip then.
reef trail
Hmm, bios options could be a reason why.
smoky harbor
I’ve just lost the silicone lottery and or bad mating with cooler it seems like
vestal laurel
I think you lost all the lotteries.
smoky harbor
I think you lost all the lotteries.
I normally do
First ryzen 7 I got came with 27 bent pins
reef trail
Power states, they're called C-states on Intel boards, not sure what the power options are named on AMD boards. But basically they're optional extras for powersaving and throttling down for the cpu. Enable them all.
So when the cpu doesn't have work to do, it throttles the F* down.
smoky harbor
It’s should be throttling considering I have those setting on
But it doesn’t
It also told me it was drawing 140 watts peak lmfao
vestal laurel
Yeah I think you have a blown regulator on that CPU then.
smoky harbor
Mhmm
reef trail
That, or a cooler problem. Cooler is cheaper to replace.
smoky harbor
Imma try a cooler we will see what happens
I got a 240 aio that I’m going to try once the amd bracket gets here
May or may not have lost the one that came with it
If that doesn’t cool it I guess we blow it up with Tannerite
reef trail
If there's a dysfunctional voltage regulator, it might be either on the cpu OR the motherboard.
Because there's two, one asks for voltage, the other provides.
smoky harbor
Yeah I don’t really care about either if one of them is messed up I will just upgrade to the new gen
For both
Stupid itx is driving me nuts
reef trail
Yeah, try the cooler first, if that doesn't work, say fuck this shit and upgrade both.
reef trail
Gotta draw the line somewhere yep.
System doesn't want to play ball after a lot of troubleshooting? It's the e-waste bin for you buddy.
reef trail
If you figure out which one works though, you could sell that.
final knot
I don't see how it'd get that hot though under regular loads. One fring theory i...
this
reef trail
this
We went through it though, OP put a thermal sensor on the side of the cpu and it kinda matched software readings.
final knot
We went through it though, OP put a thermal sensor on the side of the cpu and it...
yeah i saw nvm
reef trail
This was all a while ago already.
final knot
RIP to the cpu then
reef trail
My advice ended up being, try a new cooler first, since that's cheap. If that doesn't work, well, screw it, upgrade the whole lot.
smoky harbor
after 1 cinebench run lol
smoky harbor
Yeah
Doesn’t seem very normal for a none overclocked chip ey?
I did just find there is another new bois so I’m trying that
final knot
Doesn’t seem very normal for a none overclocked chip ey?
yep
unique canyon
drawing more than the TDP is completely normal
it’s only dependent on what it can draw and that the power limits are set at
final knot
it’s only dependent on what it can draw and that the power limits are set at
i dont think its normal unless he changed any of the power settings
