debloated windows 10

[iron hemlock]

do debloated isos compared to normal windows iso

[fierce crypt]

Thats not proper grammer

[lime bane]

yes

[iron hemlock]

i was high

are debloated ISOs better than normal microsoft ISOs

in terms of FPS in games

[fierce crypt]

Well it doesnt change your hardware does it. So its unlikerly

[scenic depot]

if you have modern hardware(anything later than 2015 or something) then you shouldn't bother

[iron hemlock]

i5 2400 and 750ti

with 8gb ram

and 2 ssds

[scenic depot]

ok then maybe try windows 10 ltsc

its debloated windows 10

[iron hemlock]

isnt it like

[scenic depot]

for businesses

[iron hemlock]

old version of windows

[scenic depot]

i dont think so

[iron hemlock]

the last time i tried ltsc

it was like 2017 version

[scenic depot]

its 21H2

[iron hemlock]

is it free

[oak bison]

no

[manic yew]

https://atlasos.net/

[oak bison]

i wouldn't recommend any of these modified windows images

also their website is just straight up nonsense

Reduced Processes
Reduce stress on your CPU, whilst lowering system latency.
most processes on your system don't run, therefore they don't consume any CPU time

Memory Efficient
We have put a lot of work into minimizing memory-hogging processes and disabling useless services.
what's the point of saving a few MB of memory by removing important OS services, imagine if you want to use a printer or an sd card in the future, these "debloated" images of windows will have all of that removed

Pro-privacy
With extensive policies integrated regarding privacy, you don't have to worry about Windows spying on you!
windows doesn't spy on you, you also can't remove telemetry, their claims are nonsense

you're breaking your system for absolutely no reason

[zenith mason]

worth testing
I use windows 10 debloater GUI to remove some of the preinstalled bloatware, It will lighten the system usage on cpu/ram and its worth it if you have an old system but it will barely affect fps in game on a recent machine

[winged token]

If you're in school, there's a good chance you can get Windows education for free. It's basically windows enterprise, and thus you have a lot more power to disable things

Of course there are the massgravel solutions all over github, too

[coral nova]

I think you'll find it's "grammire*"

[iron hemlock]

well if you want to debloat I suggest some, controversial topics,

how about you disable features like dotnet 4.8/3.x support and just install whole framework?
for, what things need java install a whole JDK,
for things need C/C++ just install redistribution.

The only pro is that this things avoids problems, when you need a run-able-features so you install 2015-2022,2010,2013

Here just one up-to-date clean install. and forget.

[manic yew]

Atlas only uses 700mb of RAM, good luck getting that on standard windows

[lime bane]

less bloat so you have more performance headroom that's not being taken up by windows

[iron hemlock]

what if I can't notice the difference

cuz that's what happens to me everytime

do we need to discuss, since intial windows install sure runs fast but later nesscary cache is needed.

[manic yew]

Then your hardware is high-end enough that you don’t need it

[iron hemlock]

so uh

forgot thank you exists

So thank you

[sudden quail]

If you want to debloat windows properly, use O&O ShutUp 10. It's an excellent tool for removing shitloads of unwanted features. Gives a description of each feature to remove.
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

I've used this for years and it works great

[iron hemlock]

how to get more performant windows?

[sudden quail]

In what way

[iron hemlock]

Well ripping it so hard that it is just barebones, no security.

[sudden quail]

Why would you want to do that

[fiery badge]

Some people really want that 400 mb of ram which microsoft defender uses

[sudden quail]

I doubt it's even that much lmao

[oak bison]

windows is already as performant as it can be

they've had 34 years to optimize the code, hundreds of PhDs, tens of thousands of engineers worked on that

[midnight blaze]

Ha ha ha. 34 lazy years. windows 10 is still windows 7 with overlay.

click settings. click system. click power & sleep. click additional power settings. Click the up arrow.
you'll then see what I mean.

Windows 10 is a dressed up windows 7.
They got so smashed over windows 8/8.1, that they hastily modified widows 7, into windows 10.

The i5 2400 is still a capable office CPU. I wouldn't bother so much with anything other than the original windows 10.
There are things you can do to help tho.
Go to settings. Click on APPS. Click on Startup. Then turn off all that you don't use.

[oak bison]

dwm the thing that implements the theme around windows is from windows vista

windows 11 with windows 10 taskbar

windows 11 without DWM (windows 2000 UI)

[midnight blaze]

DWM Dead white male. Oh you mean Desktop windows manager. ;p

In Microsoft, getting results in a lazy manner. is the culture.

[oak bison]

it's redundancy and modularity

if the windows 11 desktop fails, then explorer will draw the windows 10 desktop

if DWM is unable to draw newer UI elements, it'll draw older elements

if DWM is unable to function, windows will fall back to windows 2000 UI code

[midnight blaze]

creating backdoors for insecurity.

[oak bison]

also the whole DWM UI is just a theme, they don't need to rewrite it for every windows release, they just change something, like add rounded corners

[midnight blaze]

yeah lazy.

anyway, this isn't helping OP

[oak bison]

DWM is a process, it has no access to privileged stuff, therefore it can't cause any insecurities

and the kernel UI code is 40+ years old

[empty lodge]

The one i can recommend is Ghost Spectre, i am using it myself and yes, they do give you better Framerates and times. Due to Windows running less services and process you get more resources for games. But, there is always a security risk, Ghost spectre and other ISOS also tell you that right away, that while they have no malicious intent, there is always a security issue. Most of the debloated systems also come without defender and the majority of security and privacy features removed or disabled. If you have doubts you can always use the Windows 10 debloater from Chris Titus, you can look him up on youtube or google his website where he offers them, however it is recommended to use it only if you reinstalled windows.

[deft bolt]

LTSC 2021 sounds like a really good way to avoid Windows 11 😂 Thanks, I'll try it whenever I can

[deft bolt]

Use Kaspersky (even if it's free) for better security. It's the one good AV I found. Bitdefender is good but has way too many problems.

And as it goes for security - use a 3rd party firewall (Simplewall by Henry++ and NetLimiter4) that prompts you for any new exec making a network connection. Specially block SMB Ports 139,445 and only allow services that are essential, like DHCP, DNS, W32Time, SSDPSRV, MpCmdRun/WinDefend, etc. Also block printspooler, troubleshooters, error reporting (werfault), or anything that shouldn't be accessing the internet. That includes SYSTEM (yes, ntoskrnl.exe has internet access. Why? Blocking it doesn't make any difference...)

A well configured firewall acts as an unexpected element and various exploits will simply fail if they can't make network connections.

Downside is - anyone can misconfigure a firewall and make it pointless (just like UAC prompts - click yes on everything and it means nothing)

I use this setup on a normal install as well, helps a lot when I'm in full control.

[prime basin]

everytime i used that and turn off telemetry; windows turns it back on

tried to do it manually in the settings and everything and it's always back on rebooot

[deft bolt]

They now have scheduled tasks that'll revert any of these debloat tweaks you do

Atleast for windows update and some other stuff, so far that I've seen

Funniest of all - they can't be disabled with a normal admin taskschd.msc instance

You need to run task scheduler as TrustedInstaller to do that...

[prime basin]

it literally does nothing but demolish my HDD at random

[deft bolt]

Have you tried WinAeroTweaker's "Disable Telemetry" tweak?

Oh also - everytime Windows does an update, tweaks will be reverted

[prime basin]

never heard of it; link?

[deft bolt]

https://winaero.com/downloads/winaerotweaker.zip

I intentionally don't give clickable links

Been using it since last 4 years and it's a primary part of my windows installs

[empty lodge]

I don't touch Kaspersky with a 10 foot pole, I place it with Norton and MacAfee as some of the worst, i use Webroot, since it is super lightweight, and also relatively cheap, at least right now.

Though I will heed the Firewall advise. ghost Spectre has Print spooler on Manual start by default.

[deft bolt]

Norton's "Power Eraser" failed to scan a simple 250GB SSD even after 16 hours on a Ryzen 9 5900x... and McAfee? seriously? 😂 The thing you can't uninstall? Might've been good a decade ago but not today, nope. No idea about webroot but Kaspersky has been absolutely flawless in various tests. The GUI is clean and precise, there's a lot of attention to detail. It doesn't let you change it's own settings with virtual/remote desktop connections, only hardware input is accepted which can be changed by the user if required, etc...

I was a Bitdefender Total Security user for 2 years across 4 devices and it was awful - most of the extra features that came with total security were fake. File shredder deleted files that could be recovered using recuva in 3 seconds (basically a fake feature), their firewall silently blocked things randomly with no prompt and it drove me crazy when I wasted 18 hours trying to figure out why I that one program can't connect, the firewall kept turning itself on every reboot causing the same problems again and again, the GUI was garbage built on top of Internet Explorer 11 (for whatever reason?), there was a mouse to click offset (you think you click at a point but actual click was offset from the center), and on top of that, BD had a crap ton of false positives. Kaspersky clearly states - legitimate software that can be used by attackers, doesn't block or delete it right away with panic and a big red cross everywhere.

Cost? Even kaspersky free does the job really really well. You can see precision and quality throughout... The only issue it has is - it doesn't delete detected stuff on it's own and puts it in quarantine saying reboot is required (where - clear quarantine and it's happy again)

[languid eagle]

i don't think normal microsoft isos have much bloat if any

Maybe beside candy crush

[deft bolt]

spoolsv.exe wants to access the internet
local ip, remote ip, local port, remote port, incoming/outgoing, etc all details are prompted
Allow? Deny? For a while? Permanently? checkboxes

Remember, Deny and spoolsv.exe won't get any network access whatsoever.
This simple way can stop various exploits dead in their tracks.
I don't recommend this to normal people because again it's very easy to misconfigure it.

[deft bolt]

They do... They have an awful lot of bloat. Candy crush is the absolute worst of them which can easily be removed but running services and background telemetry with error reporting/etc, I was able to visibly feel a smoother mouse movement on my 7700k when I was done with tweaking. Makes a huge difference, actually ends up improving system's stability and responsiveness since it's not doing random crap in the background, and if auto updates are disabled too - cherry on top - Nothing ever went wrong with over 14 windows devices I personally manage with these tweaks, a 3rd party firewall, and manual script for windows updates, where the devices belong to friends, parents, siblings, etc, each of which have different use cases and different levels of tech know-how.

[languid eagle]

I actually haven't used home for basically since forever. For most that I remembered I can just use gpedit

[deft bolt]

If there's one place windows actually respects settings - is Enterprise from what I've seen. Various settings simply get ignored and background crap continues on Home and Pro - speaking from experience that I got from 2 desktops and a laptop that I personally have, and I always keep an eye on what's going on in the background, specially with network connections, CPU usage and process start times

BITS service keeps downloading god knows what, windows update simply has a mind of it's own and does whatever it wants whenever it wants, updates screw up wifi drivers quite often, etc etc, the list goes on. I've had friends call me and be like "I woke up and wifi not working help", solution was to uninstall the latest auto-update. These problems never happened with manual updates that I do with my own script that runs on schedule.

[languid eagle]

BITS service keep changing from "auto start" to "demand start" (and vice versa) in the log, and there's more questions than answers. Regarding windows update, aside from the fact that it will oftentimes destroy itself (and download update out of the blue) I have not had any issues with it
And even with that you can turn Windows update off via gpedit or regedit decently easy

[deft bolt]

The key is to seal it off from internet access... which is the only way to prevent auto updates, realistically.
The other really well made tool is Sledgehammer

There are tasks that can't be disabled which keep reverting tweaks (like WaaSMedic, DmClient, OneSettings UsageDataReporting, InstallService > ScanForUpdates /etc, SpeechModelDownloadTask)

Had to run cmd as trustedinstaller, launch taskschd.msc from there and then disable it all.

Oh and the new "Gaming Services" is the most heavily armored and protected service of them all. Nothing can touch it or disable it, and it always makes network requests to IPs all the time. The only way to remove it is to enter an off boot environment, mount the current windows boot volume and delete the executable and modify registry from there.

Why is GamingServices protected this heavily, what does it exactly do, etc, I have no idea. It's still missing from one of my experimental installs

[iron hemlock]

how about custom win 10 ISOs the only thing at risk is security.

[sudden quail]

"only thing"

[oak bison]

in modern games the framerate depends purely on the GPU

freeing up a few mb of memory won't make your GPU run any faster or run more programs

[oak bison]

you can't turn off telemetry

it's in the code, it will always be there

[oak bison]

what you're saying makes no sense

reducing processes in a system isn't going to make your mouse move any smoother, everything about your mouse is done by hardware

and hardware doesn't care if your CPU time is 100% used up, it'll tell the CPU to stop doing everything and the driver will then do it's thing

"system stability", processes can't crash the system, reducing them isn't going to make your system more stable

[brazen shard]

The only thing that can make animations smoother or moving the mouse is your refresh rate of your display. Not bloatware or processes.

[brazen shard]

There will be ALLOT more then "Only risk at security"

I would not even try to download a "Safe" costum windows 10

[prime basin]

i've noticed, idk why i can't disable the feature like everything else that's coded with a toggle in windows

[sudden quail]

There (were) registry edits and/or ShutUp10 that completely disabled it. Windows automatically re-enabling it is a very recent development

[sudden quail]

Depends on the game & resolution. Many are extremely CPU-bound, especially at higher framerates

[sudden quail]

Nerd infighting

[deft bolt]

Blocked it in firewalls

[deft bolt]

It did. Run your CPU locked at 800MHz or whatever and run handbrake, then see how badly the cursor lags... It does cause cpu usage spikes

[deft bolt]

Windows update, error reporting, etc do contribute to stability. The more they dive into OS as a service and tie crap up to online stuff, things crash, cause issues, etc. Debloating and blocking their crap does make a huge difference.

[deft bolt]

Can't trust modified images.... better to get official and tweak it instead imo

[empty lodge]

Ye, Debloating does serve a purpose and yes, they can increase overall performance in games as well, not like it was already proven but hey, here we are.