peripherals

[spark hatch]

you can get plat mouonted stabs out without needing to strip down to the pcb, but you'd need to take teh switch for that key out

[shy thistle]

Oh ok thanks

[chrome raft]

my man this is not standardized at all

there are so many different random layouts

that are all slightly different

almost no two 40 boards are alike

[spark hatch]

yea I realise

[random hazel]

Both pretty trash switches, don't bother getting either of them.

[ionic briar]

dampened alps if you can

[fallen mauve]

my parents refuse to buy literally anything off of anything other than a large vendor (amazon, newegg) and i'm looking to buy jwick blacks (which aren't on there) anyone have an idea on how i could convince them to buy off of a third party site since they're asses?

[random hazel]

They aren't great at all. There are much better options for the price.

[whole talon]

Jwick blacks are on Amazon. But they're just cherry blacks, there are a dozen companies that make those and sell on Amazon

[random hazel]

Jwick blacks are Cherry blacks?

[whole talon]

I mean, same style. I'm sure there's some manufacturing differences

[random hazel]

Jwick blacks are a lot lighter, also more smooth stock.

Even lighter than Cherry reds.

[fallen mauve]

spring is different + cherry is more expensive

[random hazel]

Like 58 bottom out or something.

[whole talon]

My point was just there's plenty of similar switches on Amazon

[fallen mauve]

yeah but 70 jwick blacks are something crazy like $16

i'll probably end up either
a) getting a visa gift card
or b) paying a friend with a card to buy them forbme

[random hazel]

Dangkeebs is also nice for KTT switches, I'm in love with KTT.

[fallen mauve]

yep but parents refuse to buy off anything other than a large vendor like amazon or newegg

[unkempt dome]

Then get akko switches

[bitter widget]

For my keyboard I have boba u4ts lubed with krytox 205g0

Though they are a bit tiring to use after some time when typing

[latent blaze]

just got an rk84 and im actually pleasantly surprised with how much i like the stock brown switches, stem wobble is not great to say the least but there is more tactility than i expected

[bitter widget]

I just used a thin layer

Because they are pretty good stock

[unkempt dome]

Cherry brown or other brown ...

Cause other browns have way more tactility than cherry brown

[fallen mauve]

they'd probably not like that because it's foreign + takes an ass ton of time to ship

are they on Amazon?

[unkempt dome]

Have you looked for akko switches on amazon ...

[bitter widget]

I like ringerkeys for my switches

[fallen mauve]

i haved but the jwick blacks are pretty similar if not better + half the price

[whole talon]

It's prob the same cost when you factor in shipping

[viscid vortex]

my keyboard broken

Whenever I press the S key it holds it down and like won’t stop until I tab out

Any ideas?

[random hazel]

You shouldn't get a leopold keyboard.

[spark hatch]

why not?

they're good boards

[whole talon]

i need a Tex Shinobi some day

[random hazel]

Stock cherry switches is just not good, I don't understand how people like their boards.

Rather get an Akko prebuilt which has smoother switches and such high quality keycaps.

Or if you would be able to spend more Iqunix (ttc gold pinks and ttc bluish whites) and Melgeek.

[spark hatch]

jsut swap them out? stock switches arent a killer man lmao

they're still good boards. just (objectively) shitty stock switches

[random hazel]

Then why not get a custom in the first place.

[spark hatch]

theres a big differnt from custom and switching the switches

not everyone wants to go through that

[random hazel]

Yes, those people don't want to have to do anything with swapping switches aswell.

Akko makes such nice prebuilts. The keycaps on there are just

[spark hatch]

fair point, doesnt make leopold boards bad tho

they're still good boards

[random hazel]

If you can just get an Akko board with better keycaps and better switches, that makes leopold bad value.

[spark hatch]

dont wanna argue but I disagree

[boreal rivet]

Nothing on the prebuilt market beats leopold's PD keycaps, and leopold's are still built better lol

[spark hatch]

but bad switches xd

[boreal rivet]

Lol if someone cared enough about switches, they wouldn't be buying a prebuilt

And cherry switches are fine anyway

[spark hatch]

mhm

[random hazel]

Explain fine

Since if you mean with fine you can click them and they work, then yes.

And nothing beats leopold's keycaps? That's not true.

How are you going to defend "leopold is a good prebuilt option" with "if you buy a prebuilt, you don't care about switches".

That's like saying people who buy a prebuilt shouldn't care about the airflow of the case they get. You also search for something with a mesh front.

[boreal rivet]

Triggered much? 😆

Keyboard enthusiast moment

[random hazel]

I mean, I think it's good to recommend good keyboards to people. Same with pc parts.

[boreal rivet]

Also this is kinda wrong, bad airflow could cause your components to fail and affect functionality of the pc, a bad switch (iyo opinion anyway 😆) does not affect functionality of a keyboard and doesn't affect longevity.

And by fine I mean its decently smooth and good enough for the average consumer

[spark hatch]

its preferance man, some people do like cherry switches

[boreal rivet]

You can gatekeep all you want with your shitty jwk recolors lmao

Keep in mind you just look like an ass that's all

[random hazel]

You're telling me people like scratchy switches? That's no preference.

Either they only used cherry or they know better.

[boreal rivet]

Do you want me to gatekeep you because you use mx switches and not topre and alps like me? 😆

[random hazel]

What?

[spark hatch]

cherry switches are fine. and yes some people like them.

[random hazel]

Nice, this server is great at peripherals. I've seen enough, gg for the people who come here for advice.

[boreal rivet]

Mald & seethe

[spark hatch]

I dont like cherry, im jsut saying its pereferance some people do. have a good one man

[swift forge]

Perhaps they do, but many claims for longevity are either extrapolated or estimate of ginormous results, we never know exactly how long they last especially since millions of presses can only be done without dying from cringe and boredom in a lab with mechanical arms

so environmental impact isn’t factored in

Or perhaps it is, but not an accurate claim and just a “to the nearest million” guesstimate

[gentle perch]

reviews on this ?

[spark hatch]

budget?

[gentle perch]

I dunno. I saw this exact model in my Physical IT store

wonder if its good

[spark hatch]

its meh, theres better options

[swift forge]

Do you really need wireless?

otherwise if you’re planning to go down the kb rabbit hole Ducky and Keychron keyboards are great, former swears by wired and latter has wired and wireless options

Another good budget (and I mean very budget) option is the EVGA Z15, hotswap, aluminium construction and Kailh pre installed for only $40

though if you swear by wireless, the NuPhy Air75, Keychron K series are great

[gentle perch]

NuPhy Air75 looks good but its a not full sized

looks compact

[unkempt dome]

How can you say they are better if you haven't tried them

[civic pendant]

I have it, it’s great for anything but you can’t easily upgrade the switches or get rid of the big bulky arm rest. It’s not my first pick but I was on a budget and it works for me.

[swift forge]

Look at Keychron stuff then

The Razer Pro Type isn’t that bad but software is lacklustre

[timber blaze]

So yesterday i downloaded wallpaper engine and after going on a downloading spree, my keyboard started acting up (namely, control button pressing the ESC button, and so does alt and the space button). My q button also started pressing as q1. Can anyone help? i've tried using troubleshoot, unplugging the keyboard and plugging it into a different, uh i forgot the name, And uninstalling the keyboard in device manager.

[brazen aspen]

I enjoy cherry switches, a little scratch is nice

it is quite literally preference

Granted I am not a fan of them stock, but I wouldn't take issue if someone's preference was stock cherry switches lol

[whole talon]

Awful worst keyboard I've tried. It feels like a membrane keyboard and the wrist rest is too small to actually be useful so it's uncomfortable too

[wind geyser]

Here's my keyboard
GH60 Aluminum case on YMDK
GK61S PCB
White side printed OEM profile keycaps
Hand lubed gateron yellows (considering switching to Kailh box jades)
And then the wrist rest is diy, from a 2x4

[astral geyser]

best gaming mouse and keyboad combo under $20

[wind geyser]

USD?

[fallen mauve]

i meant ive heard theyre better

plus they're cheaper

[astral geyser]

indian rupee actually

1500 INR

[faint willow]

does anyone know a keybaord with
65% or more
compact
hotswap with decent switches
left side usb c
black
decent price

usb placement is more of a preference

and i would also prefer to have no ugly logos but i can always spray paint

[crimson isle]

doesn't exist, save up like a little more

unless you are fine with decade long latency, extreme inconsistencies, etc

[latent blaze]

Keychron k6

[arctic lark]

hi! does anyone here uses macropads ? if so which ones ?

[faint willow]

buy seperate kbm combos are pretty trash

get an office keybaord and a viper mini

viper mini used is around 20-30$ and an office keybaord is like 2$

[swift forge]

It's the final countdown

[astral geyser]

Wdym

[swift forge]

price instabilities on Amazon in that region

[astral geyser]

Yeah too much of that

[shy thistle]

What happens if I put a two-pin switch on a 3 pin pcb

[swift forge]

It works

More pins means wider compatibility, pretty sure

[shy thistle]

ok thanks

[swift forge]

So if it’s a 5-pin socket, then 2 and 3 pins also fit

I’m not a keyboard enthusiast at their finest though, so stupid question but are all pins the same size/shape? If so then it should mean this

[spark hatch]

there are no 2 pin

theres 3 pin and 5pin

[shy thistle]

Yeah one of the switches were missing a pin

[spark hatch]

some pins are thinner and fit in differnt sockets

[spark hatch]

then that switch is broeken, it wont work

[sick hazel]

what do you guys think of concept of a separate wireless numpad?

Like when you have a TKL that's good enough for gaming and comfortable to type on, and a numpad that can be moved whereever i like and used when i need it

[boreal rivet]

That's just a wireless numpad

[spark hatch]

^

[spark hatch]

thats a picture of a 5pin

but yes

yeayea, I was just pointing it out

[sharp hatch]

Is the keyboard in deals good or no?

@ me answer pls

[swift forge]

what deals

[stable ruin]

Wireless TKL recommendation

?*

[sharp hatch]

#465939774117642251

[sly bloom]

Any opinion on the Pulsar Lunar keyboard?

[sly bloom]

Or kailh white box switches?

[boreal rivet]

box whites are good

[sly bloom]

What keyboard do you use?

[boreal rivet]

realforce 87u

[steady hatch]

What are some nice TKL or 75+ keyboards ?

160gbp just a kit dont need switches or key caps

[urban panther]

Keychron Q1/Q3

idk UK pricing tho

https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-q1?variant=39898909933657

[fallen mauve]

that's actually a 75% but i honestly prefer that layout

[twilit flare]

damn this looks nice

[latent blaze]

No, its membrane and is almost always on sale for that price

[sharp hatch]

So a Microsoft wireless keyboard is better?

[buoyant otter]

I assume mice go here too.

My M65 wasn't registering clicks and now it's not showing up as unkown USB device. Any idea on what's happened to it. I retract my statment it just came back to life all of a sudden.

[sly bloom]

Anyone knows a good gasket frame I could buy and custom?
75% TKL or fullsize

[spark hatch]

can you plug it into a different pc?

[buoyant otter]

It some reason came back on after I opened it up and blew it out and put it back together it's working again plus it's in a different USB port that I guess was what fixed it.

[spark hatch]

ah, nice

[urban panther]

they wrote "75+", so i assume that means inclusive to 75% layout

[swift forge]

Ah

They’re ok, barebones edition is the Pulsar PCMK

If I’m not wrong, they use Outemu switches

[blissful pendant]

Need some help here! I have a rescued IBM model M keyboard I'd like to use, but it doesn't seem to want to work on my new PC. It works on my laptop, though a DIN to PS2 to USB adaptor, so I know the keyboard is fine. When I plug it in, either the USB or ps2, the lock LEDs flash and the keyboard shows up in the device manager, but no more than that.

[swift forge]

You sure it ain’t supposed to a DIN connector which would make it work?

Like direct connection

Actually scratch that, what am I saying today

[blissful pendant]

I hope I didn't get the terminology wrong, I think it's called DIN

[swift forge]

Well IBM did use a Din 5-pin female connector for keyboards before ps/2

Someone notoriously still has a board with DIN here

[blissful pendant]

Yeah, it uses a 5 pin DIN

[swift forge]

#tech-chat-2 message

This is what a DIN port looks like

[blissful pendant]

Yep, motherboard definitely doesn't have a DIN port

[swift forge]

Try the adapter again maybe

[blissful pendant]

I plugged it into the ps2 port though, using a DIN to ps2 adapter

yeah

[swift forge]

din to ps/2 to USB

do that

Like what you’ve tried on the laptop

[blissful pendant]

the LEDs flash the moment I plug it in, but it doesn't work

shows up in device manager

[swift forge]

Like the keys don’t register?

[blissful pendant]

Yeah

caps lock doesn't turn the LED on either

on my laptop, I use a ps2 to USB adaptor and it works, but that also doesn't work on my pc

[whole talon]

Maybe it's not getting enough power? Hmm

Shouldn't take much tho

[swift forge]

I just checked reddit, if it’s the PC, reboot and the keyboard should function

Probably a good idea to keep the keyboard plugged in though

[blissful pendant]

ahhhh I should have thought of that hahaha

that's always the first thing you're supposed to try!

[swift forge]

Some model Ms supposedly don’t play nice with PS/2 as well compared to cheap ass boards being compliant

[whole talon]

Oh. Apparently they do need a good amount of power too http://swvincent.com/ibm-model-m-power/index.html

Shouldn't be more than a USB port can handle though

[blissful pendant]

Wait, now it works. I did nothing different, I just plugged it in and out one last time

You guys have the magic

[swift forge]

Perhaps it takes a while for the PS/2 or USB port to register “oh we’re dealing with a boomer keyboard”

[swift forge]

Which port?

[blissful pendant]

I'm using the USB adaptor

I think at some point I'd like to get a longer cable for it and use the ps2 at the rear, but this is fine for now

[swift forge]

mhm

Hope you don’t have relatives over when using that Model M

That kb ain’t quiet in the slightest

[blissful pendant]

It's actually quieter than the shitty functional 2009 era keyboard I was using before

and feels much nicer, of course

I got this by volunteering to clear out the 90's era office at work that was basically abandoned and used as a dumping ground for old stuff

I had no idea that model m keyboards were so sought after until I dusted it off at home and looked up the number

[swift forge]

Well it is the first mech kb in history

At least made by a reputable brand

[blissful pendant]

at the time I was just doing what I always do and saving as much stuff from the trash as I could

[swift forge]

IBM used to be huge in making early PCs for consumers, if I’m correct

1990s era

[blissful pendant]

I saved an ancient mouse along with it as well, though I won't be using that one hahaha

[boreal rivet]

wrong

[unkempt dome]

Would prefer a model F if I had to buy something from that era

[swift forge]

that is still common talk amongst keyboard enthusiasts a few decades after release*

[untold orchid]

Your "first mech keyboard" is a buckling spring rubber dome keyboard

Just sayin

[urban glade]

i have a few

[boreal rivet]

What is a buckling spring rubber dome

[pseudo bolt]

Nothing, that doesn't exist

Buckling spring does, rubber dome does, but not together

[boreal rivet]

Damn it man, I was gonna make fun of the guy

[pseudo bolt]

Oh

But I'd rather just set the facts straight instead of make fun

[boreal rivet]

Fair

[pseudo bolt]

Model Ms are probably the earliest that's widely casually known, but there's several families of IBM keyboards that predate it

[whole talon]

huh i thought they did use a rubber dome too, what kb am i thinking of

[pseudo bolt]

https://sharktastica.co.uk/intro#Keyboards

[boreal rivet]

They use a membrane for actuation

[pseudo bolt]

Some info on the earlier families

[boreal rivet]

Membrane is just confused with rubber dome because of how synonymous its become with rubber dome

[pseudo bolt]

Rubber dome and membrane are often confused, but they're separate. Domes being a tactile/actuator, membrane being a type of circuit. Model Ms that use buckling springs are buckling spring over membrane, but no rubber domes in the design.

There are rubber dome Model Ms though

But they're a minority

[whole talon]

oh gotcha

[pseudo bolt]

(Cheap) rubber domes is usually what gives cheap keyboards the reputation of mushiness; membrane circuits are usually so thin that they basically play no part in feel unless your actuator is also bad.

[whole talon]

i thought there was some keyboard that had a spring on top of a rubber dome but i guess that'd be too springy and feel like shit unless you used a really stiff spring

[pseudo bolt]

That probably exists, but not for Model Ms

[whole talon]

buckling spring is so excessive it feels like you're operating a big machine lol

[pseudo bolt]

Exactly that, which is annoying since it can automatically give bad rep to a lot of good membrane but not rubber dome keyboard designs

But the opposite can be true - ie, Topre

"Good" depends on so many things than just the type of components used

[whole talon]

yeah the thing that's bad about cheap rubber dome kb i've used is mainly that it takes too much force to push the dome in so they're really slow

[pseudo bolt]

Aye

That's probably just a result of cheap materials and poor (cheap) execution rather than it simply being a rubber dome

If you put the money into it, rubber domes can be good. Topre is one of my favourites.

[boreal rivet]

That mostly a combination of the slider and shaft being made of some ass plastic resulting in binding ime

[whole talon]

i don't trust anything capacitive or optical even though they technically could be better if made right lol

[sly bloom]

Anyone knows a good keyboard with gasket mount that I could buy barebone and customize it from there?

Fullsize/TKL

[pseudo bolt]

How come?

[boreal rivet]

Capacitive and optical are objectively better than mx style lol

[pseudo bolt]

There are some fantastic capacitive keyboards; (most) Topre, IBM Model B and Model F.

[whole talon]

idk i guess just because it's usually executed so poorly in like cheap capacitive touch screens and optical switches that double press cause they aren't made well

[pseudo bolt]

Capacitive for reliability and tuning, optical for having properly smooth linears by reducing amount of components that could cause friction. Obviously, depends on how its used - companies could still screw it up lmao.

[whole talon]

optical will probably take off once there's better software to support them like those analog keyboards

[boreal rivet]

It won't, enthusiasts don't like change

[whole talon]

i don't like mechanical stuff that wears out easily lol

[sly bloom]

Keychron Q6 worth the 180$?

[pseudo bolt]

Speaking of stuff that doesn't wear out easily

Recently got this second gen IBM keyboard

Originally from a typewriter

4.1kg "60%" brick

[sly bloom]

Wtf

[whole talon]

lol you'll need a hole in your desk to mount it in

[hallow mesa]

Looks Rad!

[pseudo bolt]

Aye! I love it

[chilly perch]

Not really

Just a big metal kb, it's good don't get me wrong. But unless you're a real kb nerd, nah.

[latent blaze]

Unless you’re going full custom the k series version is better “deal”

[charred bolt]

Hi

Can someone pls suggest me good keyboards under 150$ I'll be doing a mix of gaming and typing with mostly gaming on that keyboard. I would also prefer non-clicky keys as they very loud

[sly bloom]

Starting to feel like one this past week
Not gonna have a hoard of keyboards
I just want one and done that is amazing

[crimson isle]

that's about every keyboard, including custom tho

[sly bloom]

Why?

[crimson isle]

about all keyboards, including custom are just generic metal/plastic brick shaped slabs

[chilly perch]

For me, the q6 alone is not an "end game" board for full size

It'll be good if u want smth and keep it for a long time tho, big aluminum cool

[sly bloom]

I just want something that will last for couple of years and that is good.. and I been down the rabbit hole this week and custom seems like the most bang for the buck

Razer keyboard will cost more like a custom one

[chilly perch]

Yeah I mean

It is the best available full size for a decent price

[sly bloom]

I prefer aluminum if I drop that amount of money.. plastic unacceptable

[boreal rivet]

topre is endgame

[sly bloom]

And I could always use it as a weapon

[chilly perch]

Topre silly

[boreal rivet]

nah

[chilly perch]

Might as well solder my keys down

Fuck that

[sly bloom]

Dont want to solder

Hotswap for me lol

[boreal rivet]

hotswap is skill issue

[sly bloom]

Not skill
Lack of tools

I'm mechanic engineer and infrastructure manager

[boreal rivet]

copium

[sly bloom]

Just no tools lol

[boreal rivet]

anyway topre is easier to disassemble and mod than mx, hotswap or not

[sly bloom]

I ain't gonna fill up my room with tools

Tools can stay at work xD

[chilly perch]

Well

[boreal rivet]

pinecil, solder spool and tip cleaner aint gonna take up much space

[chilly perch]

U can have fun with your $300 plastic keyboard with a soldered cable

Topre moment

[sly bloom]

Its not about space alone
Its about ppl that will have access to it

My situation here is weird

[boreal rivet]

yeah i cope with plastic case and soldered cable because the typing experience is better than mx

my priorities are not skewed

[chilly perch]

Lol

[sly bloom]

My dog will eat it

She eats everything

[chilly perch]

Soldered cable 💀 you're coping your expensive board doesn't have fundamental necessities missing

[boreal rivet]

based dog

lol its not like i swap out my keyboard every 2 days

it just sits on my desk

[sly bloom]

Tiny dog
Has springs for legs
Will eat it

[boreal rivet]

where is the need for a removable cable?

[sly bloom]

This looks nice, I think
For a base

[chilly perch]

For travel, for when that ugly thing inevitably breaks, etc

[sly bloom]

Will need new switches,lube,tape,foam,keycaps

[boreal rivet]

why would i travel with a tkl?

[chilly perch]

Now I'm not sure on this, can u even flash custom code into realforce boards?

[boreal rivet]

and if i did want to bring my keyboard traveling like some pretentious ass I would buy a hhkb

[sly bloom]

I dont travel
And if I did
I have a lappy
I want the keyboard for work,gaming at work(will never happen pc too weak) and the future

[boreal rivet]

no

[chilly perch]

That's embarrassing

[boreal rivet]

exactly

[boreal rivet]

lmao, imagine being brainwashed into thinking reprogrammable keys is a must

[sly bloom]

So what do you think about that wanabe fullsize keyboard?

120$ on amazon

[boreal rivet]

looks fine

[chilly perch]

96% should just move the arrows so everything is aligned but yeah its fine

[sly bloom]

It feels a little cramped

[chilly perch]

For $300 I better be getting more than a plastic board with a non programmable chip and a soldered cable

I threw out topre as an option for my kb so fast lol

[boreal rivet]

eh you dont have to pay 300 for a topre board

[sly bloom]

Akko is nice
If you can get stock..

[boreal rivet]

just buy from china

and youre paying for the switch

[sly bloom]

Akko stock ran out

[chilly perch]

How much is a cheap topre board then lol

[boreal rivet]

the typing experience etc

[chilly perch]

And it's probably missing even more features then

[boreal rivet]

i can get a hhkb from xianyu for like 140 usd

[chilly perch]

💀

[woeful lantern]

just go to japan and buy a topre there it's cheaper

[boreal rivet]

the feature is a keyboard that feels and sounds(if you care about that) good

[chilly perch]

But it's horrible in every other way

[boreal rivet]

nah not really

[chilly perch]

Yeah kinda

Missing almost every feature I care about

[boreal rivet]

you just think not having reprogrammable keys is bad lol

[sly bloom]

https://en.akkogear.com/product/5075s-shine-through-mechanical-keyboard/
These are nice

[woeful lantern]

metal vs plastic doesn't matter if build well

[boreal rivet]

its not like you'll change the layout of a custom anyway

[woeful lantern]

there is cheap metal and quality plastics

[boreal rivet]

qmk is just there to act as firmware not as a feature

[chilly perch]

I rebound numerous keys on my q6

[boreal rivet]

yeah and you can rebind through software too

its not so hard

[chilly perch]

Proprietary blob

[boreal rivet]

yet still a better typing experience than mx will ever hope to achieve

which is really the whole point this hobby in the first place

[chilly perch]

Well for me it's too have an actually good kb for a long time lol

Not interested in soldering a new cable if a connector goes bad

Anyways

[boreal rivet]

the cable is connected internally with jst

[chilly perch]

No keyboard in existence is perfect yet

[boreal rivet]

just replace it with a usb c daughterboard if it bothers you so much

[chilly perch]

Q6 needs a handful of stuff and it'll be my last kb I would ever want

Slowly, slowly working on fixing for myself

[boreal rivet]

thats cool bruh 👍

[chilly perch]

Very time limited with other hobbies

I rly need to get shit ordered asap though maybe tonight

[woeful lantern]

I'm waiting on the q8 launch and will get a k2 tho a topre is in the future

Will get it when I go to Japan as want to go there at some point so will get it then

The topre board

[chilly perch]

I wish there was uh

Well nvm

Kinda do wanna get a k2 for Lan shit

[woeful lantern]

just want it for the wireless part

tho want the uk version

[chilly perch]

K2 kinda optimal size for starcraft

F keys important for a few games I play

[urban glade]

topre is perfect

i've just been using my hhkb for a bit

[swift forge]

Yea, I realise now

theScore esports covered it in one of their videos

when they discussed whether mech or not matters for gaming

[honest pawn]

Any opinions on the Logitech G Pro Mechanical with blue switches?

[swift forge]

I have it rn, its ok but build quality freaks me out

audible flex on both sides, and bottom plate

I just hope modding it will at least take out the noise, Imma keep it since my parents bought it for me and I'll hotswap

G Pro or G Pro X?

Latter is hotswap, former isn't

[honest pawn]

Does it affect the usability of it at all?

[swift forge]

no, but carrying it is a pain sometimes

the other enthusiasts here will tell you there are better keyboards for the sole purpose of typing.

and gaming

I mean, I plan to mod mine and change out stock switches/keycaps, its decent without those upgrades but you cannot adjust RGB lighting brightness since there is only on/off

connector is micro-USB as well, lose the cable you spend a century looking for replacements (of the same length)

If you want something cheaper, I recommend the Pulsar PCMK (provided you're in the US/Canada or a region that can purchase it) and install your own switches and keycaps

the barebones board is $70 USD, Akko Jelly CS Blacks (example switch) are $19.99 a set, and the G.Skill CRYSTAL CROWN keycaps (known for a design that allows a lot of RGB through) are $19.99 too

which would set you back $109.98

compared to like $150 for the G Pro

although the CS Blacks aren't a full set :p 45 pcs

a full set of Kailh Speed Coppers though, $39 which takes the price to ~$130ish

[honest pawn]

I've been recommended Keychron many times but I really want a known brand with software so I can customize RGB while also having a good clicky sounding keyboard. I also like the idea of owning a full set of Logitech products (I currently use the Corsair K55 with a Razer Deathadder and logitech g432 headphones) instead of mix and match ones. Also I've had good experiences with Logitech support in the past.

[honest pawn]

Well there's a certified refurbished one for like $60 which sounds like a good deal assuming it's in good condition

[swift forge]

Keychron has QMK, which is a software supported on their higher end boards

look for one with a Q next to a number

[honest pawn]

Well for the price I'd be paying for the G-Pro, the most relevant keyboard would be the C1 or the C2, neither of which have software for RGB

[swift forge]

well so you want RGB?

[honest pawn]

Preferably yes, I really want proper RGB since my Corsair K55 only has "Multi-Zone lighting" which doesn't support game integrations and such

[swift forge]

welp Logitech screwed up my keyboard customisation in G HUB

I create one profile, 20 duplicates

[inland citrus]

ayo I recently got a Ducky One 2 Mini V2 , loving it but am in need of a full size keyboard for work. Anyone in here have experience with duckys one 3?

Just kinda curious if the jump from 2-3 was that substantial

[swift forge]

like ayo

[honest pawn]

So I presume it has good RGB then yes?

[swift forge]

NO, its glitchy and buggy, always different for every device

like the bug

and, logitech RGB is very colour-inaccurate

[spark hatch]

from an enthusiast perspective its garbage

[spark hatch]

keychron c2

or an akko board

[inland citrus]

I've never heard of keychron, just looked them up they have some nice looking keyboards

Have you had one of theirs before?

[spark hatch]

4

I have there first gen q1. c1 and c2. and k6

[inland citrus]

They're fairly reasonably priced I see, the ducks are a bit more than these

But I'll keep them in mind, they have a very similar kind of design

I'm looking at the c2 right now

[spark hatch]

yea, there k series is alittle meh, id prefer getting a akko board if you need wireless.

but I quite like there q series and c series

[inland citrus]

The one thing I kinda care about is I want a keyboard with a removable USB c cable

So either usb c wired, or USB charging and wireless

My current board has removable usb c so I want to be able to switch quickly when needed

[spark hatch]

c2 is removeable usb c

and if its usfull it works with mac

[inland citrus]

May go with it then, even after exchange rate it'll be like $40ish less than duckys equivalent

[honest pawn]

Hm, because I would like to get one of Keychron's keyboards, but I really want customizable RGB, and afaik Keychron doesn't have offical software for customizing the RGB on most of their lower end keyboards (I.E C1, C2, etc.), hence why I was curious if a name brand keyboard with software is decent or not

[inland citrus]

That is useful as I work in IT on multiple different OS throughout the day

And hate the dog shit dell flat keywords they give us lol

[spark hatch]

ah yea, theres a switch on the back you that when switches changes keybinds to work with mac and windows/linux

[spark hatch]

q series has via, thats a rgb software

[inland citrus]

Fuckin love companies that go that extra step to think about stuff like that.

Ya you've won me over ordering a c2

[spark hatch]

btw idk if its a deal breaker but keychorns shipping is usually kinda high. around 30$ for me to ship to canada

[inland citrus]

Save me some Google, red, blue, and brown switches, which is the least loud lol

[spark hatch]

this is normal for enthusiast keyboards, shipping is just insane

[inland citrus]

The ducky I was looking at was gonna be just under $200 after tax so

[spark hatch]

yikes

you like ducky? never used one

I've heard they're decent. just never bothered to look

[inland citrus]

Ya I like their build quality personally

Their keys are very snappy which I like

Nowadays it's hard to be unique but their design is just clean and what I wanted

[spark hatch]

ah, they just plastic or they aluminum builds?

[inland citrus]

I believe a mix? I'm not rly sure tbh I'm still a little new to these kinds keyboards

This is my first board with removable switches

[spark hatch]

I remember them having pretty odd color ways, could be thinking of someone else tho

[inland citrus]

Ya they have some weird off the shelf key caps they use on some boards

[spark hatch]

ah, its prolly just plastic then. you'd be able to tell if it was aluminum

[spark hatch]

yea ok thats what I thought

[inland citrus]

The board has next to no flex which I found my corsair k70 had

Granted my ducky is a mini keyboard

[honest pawn]

Keychron's shipping is kinda weird, like the C1 was on sale for $35 near Prime Day, but it was over $30 for shipping, so I just skipped it since I thought that was kind of stupid. Fast forward today, when the C1 is full price shipping is only $10.

Something tells me the price for shipping is not just "for shipping"...

[inland citrus]

Shipping AND handling ;)

[spark hatch]

oh? not sure on that one. its always been 30$ for me. and other keyboard companies have also be about the same for shipping

[inland citrus]

Small boyo

[spark hatch]

oh interesting it is a mix, aluminum outer rail and plastic base

[honest pawn]

weird, it definitely was not $10 when the keeb was on sale. I checked with other keyboards too and the shipping was monstrous

[spark hatch]

yea shipping with enthusiast keyboards is high. its just the way it is

[honest pawn]

So for $60 would you say it's worth it or should I just wait and save for a Keychron board of sorts? The amazon reviews for it are pretty decent, though I'm coming from a Corsair K55 so would it be a worthwhile upgrade or no?

[honest pawn]

Actually I take back that statement, I'll likely pass on it unless I don't find anything better since I realized custom keycaps don't exist for it so that's kinda a deal breaker for me

[spark hatch]

id get a keychorn or akko board

[spark hatch]

custom keycaps exist

Im using a set rn

[honest pawn]

wait what

[spark hatch]

you didnt look very hard man lmao

[honest pawn]

I googled "custom keycaps for Logitech G Pro keyboard" and it's just filled with Reddit posts of people asking the same question and getting the same answer of: "They don't exist"

[spark hatch]

oh well not for logitech

[honest pawn]

oh that's what I meant

[spark hatch]

you dont want that board anyway

[honest pawn]

Does the C1 or C2 have software for it's RGB per chance?

or any of the keychron keyboards for that matter

[spark hatch]

it has built in rgb modes. if you want custom rgb get q series

[honest pawn]

y i k e s

[spark hatch]

thats a good deal for that board 🙂

[swift forge]

What about the Glorious GMMK 2? It is at least hotswap

[spark hatch]

tehy said yikes to q1's price. I dont think they gonna like gmmk pro

oh gmmk 2

idk anything about that board. I've just heard its meh

[swift forge]

It is meh to all enthusiasts

Since it’s not that dedicated to modding

But you can grab a barebones kit and foam mod, instal custom switches and keycaps

[spark hatch]

ah

[swift forge]

It comes in a 96% format, and 65%

[latent blaze]

get a keychron k series imo

or a royal kludge rk board

[unkempt dome]

Optical will take off only if there's a wide diversity of switches ...

[whole talon]

Yeah I suppose there's only so much you can do with it

[unkempt dome]

Well ... keychron or akko

[honest pawn]

I hate to be picky but the royal kludge board in TKL form only has brown switches and i've heard keychron's RGB isn't all that great though correct me if I'm wrong

[spark hatch]

swap the switches

its hot swap

[honest pawn]

I suppose I could, not a terrible idea

though in a perfect world I'd just like something that's complete and not have to bother buying new switches and swapping them out the old ones with the new ones, that's all

[shy thistle]

I made a keyboard but it’s not typing

[latent blaze]

Did you plug it in

[shy thistle]

Yes

[shy thistle]

wait

Nvm

It works now

[latent blaze]

smh (shaking my head)

[lime briar]

I have a budget of 200+ US DLLS
Any good mechanical keyboard? Main games are FPS like Apex or COD MW and Rythmn games like Stepmania/Osumania,I don't want clickness I just want good tactile response

[boreal rivet]

Topre 55g

[lime briar]

Another option? Sadly I live in Mexico so I can't get shipping

[unkempt dome]

keychron

chose the size you'd like and the hotswap option

[boreal rivet]

Yeah keychron, but iirc they don't use any stock switches that I would consider tactile

[unkempt dome]

gateron brown is tactile

[boreal rivet]

Is it actually

[lime briar]

I really liked Silver Switches,what kind of switch are those

[shy thistle]

So I got a keyboard. The rgb is working but I can’t type on it. I tried different usbs and different keyboards all of them don’t type

They were all working fine yesterday

[unkempt dome]

light, short travel, high actuation linear switches ... marketed as "fastest gaming switches"

[spark hatch]

Akko makes nice silver switches

[past vortex]

Why is there no #mouse channel?

[lucid stone]

too niche ig

[unkempt dome]

just post in here or pchardware I guess

[swift forge]

You can’t really do much about mice in terms of personal preference or customisation so it’s usually small talk

Like not many people have many options when it comes to decent mice, probably the newest topic

and it shares some similarities with keyboards, like polling rate and switches

[unkempt dome]

shape is about the most important thing when it comes to mouse

[past vortex]

Here is 2nd gen Logitech GPW.
One quick takeaway from the test results, if your running it at 400 DPI, your loosing accuracy. the sweet spot is 1600 dpi, but it runs fine at 800 DPI as well. But at higher speeds, it's more accurate at 1600 then 800. If your playing at say 400 dpi with windows 6 sensitivty, and game sense 1.4, you could switch to 1600 dpi, with windows 3, and in game 0.35
Regardless of dpi, it runs about 4% less then the set DPI. Which is very good, but not industry leading. Weight wise, it's not the lightest, but it's in the top 10.
If you're running a mouse 3 years, or older, it's a significant improvement in accuracy, latency, battery life, it's probable time to upgrade to a current gen mouse. Just to save 16 ms of click latency and upwards of 10-20% improvement in accuracy.

[swift forge]

I have the Superlight, pretty useful chart for benchmarks

Ty

And this is why Optimum Tech released a vid saying why esports players are switching to higher DPIs and lower sensitivities

Makes their clicks register more quickly and somewhat more consistently at a given latency

[past vortex]

he's gotten a lot better at apex. I was acutlly in his twitch encourging him to try higher resolutions, and to test them last year. XD (after his first video with a testing system)

[swift forge]

isn't he on 1440p?

[past vortex]

well there a debate over if higher DPI are really faster. Some people insist, that it's basicly smaller steps, your going to see a step sooner. So most people don't think that actully gives you an advantage. But like if your talking about a very small movement, and a few ms, maybe?
But no one has actully tested to see if they stop. to see if it supports 'faster', 'slower', or 'same'.

[swift forge]

or forever 1080p currently

[swift forge]

I mean, apparently 800 DPI is 200 below the standard gaming 1000hz polling rate

[past vortex]

are you talking about monitor resolution? because most windows mice drivers won't let you do 1080 or 1440 as mouse DPI.

[swift forge]

so DPI is the number of signals, or dots that a mouse's sensor sends out to track its position

and a signal is scanned 1000 times per second

[past vortex]

800 DPI is mouse sensor simulate resultion, 1000Hz is the polling rate.

[swift forge]

if you send out only 800, it would be slower since the speed at which a signal is sent would need to be slower for DPI to be lower.

polling rate is the number of times info is sent from mouse to computer

[past vortex]

like you could have a 3200 DPI mouse set to 800 DPI. and it's polling ato 1000 Hz.
Or you could have say a razer viper 8k, 3200 dpi, set to 800 DPI, olling at 8000 Hz.

[swift forge]

main theory rn is polling rate = DPI, perfect match for each other

[past vortex]

the 8000Hz is useful for like 360 FPS gaming.

no, you want the highest Hz possible.

like if you have 200 FPS, your not going to be able to use 8000 Hz to the fullest. But your still going to have an improvement over 1000Hz. THat's regardless of mouse DPI.

[small plume]

Anyone know a 100% keyboard with Cherry MX blues?

[swift forge]

but very minimal

not many people notice

[swift forge]

Ducky One 3, 100% and the Cherry MX Blue option

[small plume]

oh i forgot about DUcky ones 😭

[past vortex]

well like, lets say your at 200 FPS. 1k vs 8k polling. Your going to reduce the gap between the last mouse update and the frame. Frames don't nessiarly set exactly the same distance apart from each other. But the less gap there is, the closer you get to perceving the game in 'real time'. It's like writing your name on a digitizer at the store. The more lag, the worse your signature looks. the less lag, the better your drawing gets.
If you remember a while back, LTT did a video on 30 vs 60 vs 120 fps. And even though people couldn't nessiarly tell which was wich, they all had an improvement on shot accuracy at 120 FPS. One they got use to it.
But yah, I don't think many people prirotize 360 monitors and 8000 Hz mouse. Lots of people like wireless mice, and which are still at 1000 Hz, like the majority of mice.

[small plume]

Whats ur preference on going 100% or 80%?

oh and for the ducky one 3 u can change them right?

[past vortex]

lots of people say higher DPI doesn't matter like say 16,000 native DPI vs 25,000 native DPI mouse. because they're goping to set both mouse to 800 DPI. But that higher resolution, newer, sensor, can unlock better accuracy even at 800 DPI, especilly at higher speeds.
But that's not always the case. Like there are times higehr DPI sensor comes out, and it tracks worse. like logitech hero 16k vs 25k.

[unkempt dome]

Check out Leopold or varmilo

[swift forge]

that was a software update, actually

[swift forge]

hotswap, yes

but not customisation software, though there is onboard macro programming

[past vortex]

hmm I haven't seen any updated numbers sense a firmware change.

[swift forge]

this for the GPW, G Pro Hero (wired), G703, G502 to name a few

[swift forge]

its the 16k vs 25k

just higher max DPI

and you'd need to go back to around 2018 to see a difference, in terms of software version

it was Hero 16K at launch for most mice from Logitech rn, only 25K at launch for the G502 Hero

and Pro X Superlight

because the software had gone through those updates that made the max DPI higher

by the time those two were released

[swift forge]

a point I've been stressing for ages. Finally another who agrees; the capability for higher max DPI typically means refined sensor tracking, like bigger muscles on athletes making them better at weightlifting, for example.

they are more accurate at lower DPIs, even if its marginal.

[past vortex]

higehr DPI sensor is like a higehr resolution camera sensor. And just like cameras, higher resultion on it's own isn't always better as far as image quality.

[swift forge]

but because we're in 5 digit figures for max DPI now, its unnoticeable when there's an improvement to the naked eye.

that is, if you use the typical 4 digit or 3 digit settings

[past vortex]

but like hero 16k vs 25k, the 25k has 3% more drift then then 16k.

[swift forge]

so lemme get this straight, res = how many "dots" are read by the sensor in a given space. And for sensors the higher it is [max DPI] doesn't guarantee it's better, because if its the same sensor but software updated it'll still read DPI the same way the previous in its lineup has, because its still under the same branding but just the same tech revised

[swift forge]

this is because it's the same sensor, but software updated.

The same technology, "overclocked"

like a CPU - faster speeds, but higher power draw and a worse tendency to overheat without sufficient (and sometimes over-the-top) cooling.
Mouse wise - higher max DPI, but at the cost of lower tracking accuracy

basically I believe the Hero 25K is just (on later models) factory-overclocked, to hit higher max DPIs so these figures can compete with the likes of Razer, ASUS who have soared into the 30Ks now for max DPI of their mice

or, persuade others to cease usage and purchase of their older products that used Pixart sensors in the 10Ks and the G402 Hyperion Fury maxing at 4200DPI

For the purpose of profit, and Logitech Gaming's engineers being satisfied doing something new

[past vortex]

What are the actual specs of the sensor they're using.

[past vortex]

speculating, but yah, it could be just the changes in the way it processes data, or more overhead on the data, or over clocking, or some weird upscaling thing, or there just more jitter sampling the mouse at a higher base DPI. 🤷 It would be intresting to as logitech that.

[swift forge]

Its made by Logitech themselves, which is what I know and not based on any PixArt PWM or PAW sensor (like Glorious BAMF or Roccat Owl-Eye). You can set the DPI to a minimum of 100, max 25600 DPI, DPI variation by RTINGS is summarised to be about 2% (2% higher than set). DPI is adjustable in steps of 50, and optical

Name is Hero 25K

this is probably the same case with Razer's Focus and Focus+ sensor, made by themselves with no influence/co-development from PixArt

[past vortex]

focus+ is Pixart

[swift forge]

for the Hero 25K sensor

High Efficiency Rated Optical

and boasting about the sub-micron tracking proves my point, the Logitech engineers just got bored af and decided to make something overkill

to have something worth celebrating about

[past vortex]

I do wounder if the variable frame rate messes with test results.

[swift forge]

I will give credit, though, to the engineers making wireless mice before many others did which didn't suck in esports tourneys

and were not absolute failures for gaming at home either

as well as a lasting design for a mouse released the year the HERO sensor was, the Pro wired mouse

which now inspires the G305 and G203

[past vortex]

GPW is very popular

[swift forge]

but expensive 💀

the pro wired is now known as the G102

funny isn't it? G102, G203, G305

1 + 2 = 3, 2 + 3 = 5

[past vortex]

GPW is like the start. People mod them with smaller, lighter, shorter batteries. And then cut out plastic to make them even lighter. And mod the switches.

[swift forge]

[swift forge]

^^

[swift forge]

i think it was the first wireless esports-grade mouse. Released in 2018, shortly before that update to 25K max DPI of the Hero sensor.

LIGHTSPEED rose to fame at lightspeed lol

[swift forge]

told you it was a firmware/software update

[past vortex]

Like to test the varible refresh rate. Would probable require having a mouse test where the speed of the input changes, to see how the mouse handles it.

[swift forge]

gees sensors are an advanced topic 💀

[past vortex]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV12C4y1H7fH

[swift forge]

I take it you are Chinese

[past vortex]

yah, but they can be talked about in an informative way, easy to understand.

nope

[swift forge]

luckily, I am so I can understand some of it

but a mere child

[past vortex]

na, usa, but china is testing the only due I found that is testing them in such detail is in china. 🤷

ha ha, you just talk to people about it. and people share info, correct things, extra.

[swift forge]

mhm

wait, is refresh rate the number of times your entire screen can produce and present a new image per second?

like display-wise

and FPS being every pixel's ability to do that?

@past vortex

frames being pixel-level and refresh rate being entire-display level

I mean, that'd explain 200fps at 60hz which I get when playing krunker on iMac

[past vortex]

I think refresh rate is a genreal tearm. 🤷 Like it can be used to talk about lots of things that happens.
Like you could talk about the refresh rate, or latancy of a pixel.

[swift forge]

Well marketers wouldn’t be stupid as to advertise the highest FPS figure of a single pixel would they

[past vortex]

well '200' fps on 60 hz, is ushally emulating a higer frame rate. Like maybe some games render the frames and then there throws them out. or just start rendering hte new fame where ever is being refreshed.

but yah, in monitors ushally refresh rate is the time it takes for a pixel to update.

[swift forge]

I mean my in-game res is 1080p, and native is 4K

so, through pixel acceleration I'm able to get 4 times the refresh rate in terms of FPS

since 4 pixels now make up one unit of the screen

so four of them simultaneously... hmm

If you don't get my point, check out the new ASUS ROG Zephyrus Duo 16, there is a config for a Dual-Spec Panel which allows a toggle between 4K 120hz, and 1080p 240hz

[sly bloom]

Anyone have a Keychron keyboard?
I'm buying the Q6 but idk if I should go barebone or not
Difference is 20$ and I plan on getting different switches anyways and keycaps