peripherals

[median grove]

Size- Anything thats 60%-100% is fine, and probably not over like 150-200

cad

[spark hatch]

alr

[median grove]

but its alright if its a bit above

Probably something White but any colour goes

[swift forge]

Ducky One 3 TKL, matcha

That’s my recommendation

[median grove]

Alright sounds good

[spark hatch]

if you want a high end board the keychron q1-q3 is pretty nice or if you want to save a buck I'd look at an akko board, they're alittle cheaper but still really nice

[swift forge]

Don’t ignore ducky

[median grove]

😭 Akko in my home language means shit

[unkempt dome]

Akko alice if you want ergo and if it's in stock

[spark hatch]

leopold also make really nice boards

[unkempt dome]

Then you need to learn another language

[spark hatch]

but iv'e never personally used one

[median grove]

A bit of Bulgarian and French and fluent in English aint enough damn

Thanks for all the help guys

Now I gotta decide which one

lool

[unkempt dome]

Akko is way better than any gaming keyboard out there

[spark hatch]

mhm

[swift forge]

Ducky, Keychron, Akko - choose their boards

[unkempt dome]

Durgod, varmilo

Leopold

[swift forge]

Wooting’s been in discussions heaps but not sure if it’s actually worth it

[spark hatch]

they're nice

[swift forge]

Wooting One

[ionic briar]

Wooting is in the discussion because of their hall effect switches and the fact that you get them in all of the keys unlike the apex pro

[median fern]

Please do note that Leopold also make Topre board so do read the descriptions

[spark hatch]

^

yes

[chilly perch]

Huh, flip dot display matrices are wired very similary to keyboard matrices

except it has double the row pins forwhaever reason

[spark hatch]

interestinng

[chrome raft]

what builds are people using rn? mine is a navy blue Keychron Q1 with L+F alpacas and durock ultramarine stabs, with the PBT keycaps from keychron

[median fern]

Currently have the Keycult 1/65 with lubed and filmed tealios with GMK Finer things, and a Mode 65 Full copper and CF plate with lubed and filmed creampacas and GMK Minmal v2 - both use owlab stabs

I'm waiting on a brass piece for my Jelly Epoch to arrive today and will switch out the Tiffany board for it

Beautiful booties for those who care

[steady hatch]

I can confirm that the G303 is very uncomfortable

Also you need a long thumb to use it

[crimson isle]

mice for thin long fingers when

[worthy forge]

when slenderman comes in for testing

[crimson isle]

I actually use middle finger and thumb for left and mouse button

[spark hatch]

q1 with various mods to kill off ping while not using any case foam, durock v2 stabs, lubed kenetic labs penguins, currently aluminum plate but been thinking of getting polycarbonate one and currently am using a combo of stock caps and keychrons pbt but Im replacing with custom ones when ever they ship

[chrome raft]

Memebrain keyboard bad

[vale mist]

no u

[chrome raft]

Wha

[vale mist]

[chrome raft]

Why no

Mechanical superior

[spark hatch]

lmao

[vale mist]

little do you know there's actual good membranes out there

like the mitsumis

[hard vessel]

rAzEr meMbRaNe gUd

[vale mist]

I'm more talking about classic Japanese membranes

[chrome raft]

No

[spark hatch]

arnt electrocapacitive kb basically jsut membranes?

[vale mist]

imo a membrane is when something touches a membrane

[spark hatch]

right

[placid kite]

well you need smt to attach one electrode onto

a memrane

[vale mist]

different boards use different ways the most common is the rubber dome

[placid kite]

do u know of any disassembly pics?

[hard vessel]

https://c.tenor.com/ngpGMNNjAFIAAAAM/gigabyte-psu.gif

[vale mist]

mitsumi board

there's a membrane under the plastic shell

[placid kite]

seems like chopped up membrane to me

[unkempt dome]

So IBM model m

[vale mist]

yes

it is technically one

[boreal rivet]

sensing is done through capacitance

hence the name electrocapacitive

once capacitance is above a certain threshold a keystroke is registered

membranes register keystrokes like regular mechanical switches, just in a very compact and simplified way

[spark hatch]

right

idk I heard somewhere they were a better version of a membrane. dont actually really know anything about them

[pseudo bolt]

This design is known as a buckling rubber sleeve over membrane (although Mitsumi specifically had a PCB/conductive version as well). IBM famously used 'buckling sleeves' in many of its early ThinkPad keyboards and almost all of its point of sale keyboards since 1993. IMO, they're highly underrated - very snappy, decently tactile, sound similarish to Topre (or more accurately, short-throw Topre) and no mush. https://sharktastica.co.uk/wiki?id=ibmsleeves.

[boreal rivet]

if you mean topre then yes in feel

but they aren't really too similar outside of both using rubber domes

[spark hatch]

ah

[pseudo bolt]

They probably meant "better version of rubber dome". People often confuse rubber dome with membrane and vice versa since rubber dome (a cheap actuator) is usually paired with membranes (a cheap circuit) in cheap keyboards. In reality, you can get membranes without domes (Model M buckling springs, buckling sleeves) and rubber domes without membranes (most Topre, any conductive PCB domes) etc.

Which had been alluded to by others above

[spark hatch]

ah I see

[pseudo bolt]

But yeah, membranes aren't universally bad. Cheap implementations and use-cases are, but then again, cheap anything has the potential to be bad.

[pseudo bolt]

Taken from my page I linked above, here's a close up of a design similar to what @vale mist showed with their Mitsumi. The 'party piece' of these buckling sleeve designs is that the rubber component doesn't actuate the membrane. If you imagine a generic rubber dome keyboard, the dome itself presses down on the membrane to bridge the circuit - so if the dome itself is a cheap design, you'll get mush and squish when you bottom out.

For most buckling sleeve switches, the design offloads this duty to rods on the keycaps or assembly-mounted sliders that descend through the keyboard's assembly to actuate the membrane with usually a solid piece of plastic. This can effectively eliminates the mushy feeling of bottoming out when done right.

[spark hatch]

interesting

[pseudo bolt]

The shape and sculpture of the rubber can also make a difference. For Mistumi and the IBM sleeves, the top of the rubber that holds the keycap descends to rest beside the bottom part of the rubber instead of all squishing together. Once again, helping reduce mush.

[steady hatch]

G Pro Wireless for 60 is a steal right ?

[spark hatch]

mhm

[steady hatch]

The g303 is very bad as you said

need a long thumb to use it

[spark hatch]

I never said it was bad

[steady hatch]

Oh someone else did

[spark hatch]

I like my 305

[steady hatch]

I got 3 mice I need to return now :)

[spark hatch]

but mice are very subjective cause it depends how your hands are built/shaped

[steady hatch]

Yeah

[vocal breach]

is motospeed a good brand for a starter in the mechanical keyboards world?

[chrome raft]

not reallly

depends on budget

[vocal breach]

Whats better?

LTC NB681 Nimbleback Wired 65 or the Redragon K617?

[chrome raft]

first of all tell me ur budget

and layout

[vocal breach]

rn i could afford those two if i saved up more 4 a week or two

||LTC NB681 Nimbleback Wired 65 & the Redragon K617||

[vocal breach]

size: 60%-90%

perf: red switches or yellow```

[chrome raft]

so like you have a budget of 80 bucks

[vocal breach]

yes

[chrome raft]

ok

[vocal breach]

cant find what is better i really like those 2 idk if i can find something else thats gonna ship to me

[chrome raft]

get an rk61

and then lube some gateron x

if you can find gateron x in stock

or get some ink v2s

[minor nexus]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t-8SxjYVUE3AyvuyUQTaQE6XYxZjt4y4B1-NmkOBJKQ/edit#gid=1381238794

This list is worth a look. all the keyboards here are pretty decent

[scarlet walrus]

Is the keychron good?

Just checking before I buy one

[vocal breach]

thank you! although most of them dont ship to my country

[minor nexus]

Ye

[hard vessel]

which of the following switches are the most "thocky" blues, browns, or reds

[minor nexus]

many things go into "thocc"

switches arent end all

[median fern]

Mail day!

[minor nexus]

super sexy deskmat <3

[spark hatch]

nicee

[swift forge]

Didn’t think it’d suit a lot more than just Shroud himself

[steady hatch]

Yeah like claw I have big hands but I cant reach the front thumb button

[swift forge]

And he was a standout player, one of a kind so :p

In terms of hand shape and all

[steady hatch]

Yeah Its apparently just a g305

like 2 mm longer and a lil wider

[chrome raft]

first of all stop saying thock second of all please tell me a more comprehensive description of the sound profile you want

[scarlet walrus]

I still don’t get what thock is lol

[vale mist]

it's a way something sounds if I were to put it into words it would be a deep and kind of creamy kind of sound

but the issue is people like to call everything "thock" and it just lost all meaning

[chrome raft]

exactly

this is the point

thock is such a subjective term

use something else that people will actually understand

[scarlet walrus]

Most interesting

So you’d probably want thock from your space bar and enter key most, at least your British enter key

Maybe you could call thock a thick sound.

And now I’m getting too thoughtful about thock

[latent blaze]

it used to describe a sort of deep ‘thock’ sound but then people started calling everything that they like the sound of thocky like i saw someone call something with clickys thock lmao

usually only actually exists in linears with dampening and mods

[swift forge]

You like it? Just remember to change the battery every year

[steady hatch]

Not a fan

[swift forge]

And that there are 3D printable mods to make it lighter, I.e. the backplate which you remove to get tot he battery housing

Oh I see

[steady hatch]

I have seen the mods

I got another G Pro Wireless

[swift forge]

What mouse did you settle on

Oh ok

[steady hatch]

Kinda trash

[swift forge]

You can swap out the side buttons, stylish

[steady hatch]

Yeah I mean for 60

its decent

[swift forge]

For 150 probably not the best deal

At least give us a charging dock Logitech

Micro-USB too slow

[steady hatch]

Charging take a while

[swift forge]

Mhm

[steady hatch]

The G303 is fast

[swift forge]

The Viper Ult is faster ig

The way power is delivered right under the battery I suppose

Doesn’t need to course through and lose itself in other components usage when being wired

[steady hatch]

I will probably use the G Pro Wireless for a while and then return it if there is something worth getting

Or if it just breaks in the 2 Years of owning it

[swift forge]

Viper Ult v2 when it comes out

[steady hatch]

Its annoying how the GPW broke after 1 year and 3 months

[swift forge]

The side buttons on the right are removed, no more RGB

Longer battery life than even the GPX

And possibly swappable buttons

But some people say no more charging dock, which could lead away a lot of buyers

[steady hatch]

If they make a GPW but with USB C im sold

Also better mouse balance

[swift forge]

Meanwhile check out the Logitech Pro X Lightspeed gaming headset with USB-C charging, purchase it and get verbally executed by Cat in A Box

[steady hatch]

googled the headset first thing to pop up

[chilly perch]

What is the name of the super common rgb led used in keyboards

the surface mount one that can daisy chain

found it, WS2811 is the specific one i had in mind

or maybe 2812 idk which one but yeha

[sudden yew]

Can someone help me find a good keyboard kit?

I'm looking for a 94% similar to the Akko mod 003, but in stock and less expensive

[hot solar]

does anyone have any recommondations for a mousepad thats 48"x24"?

[latent blaze]

ever so slightly smaller but 1200x600 ltt northern lights deskpad from lttstore.com

im talking like a cm smaller

[swift forge]

Holy shi-

[swift forge]

Those aren’t all what I’m talking about

But one of them is

[spark hatch]

Keychron

[ionic briar]

yea it sounds kinda muddy tbh
got one to replace their borked g pro x with a mh751 and they instantly appreciate the clarity improvement

[swift forge]

If you don’t get used to it or listen at like 40dB I’d consider that true

But once you understand how to adjust your ears to hearing sound firing from inside your head it’s fine

[spark hatch]

so just get used to bad sound quility

[ionic briar]

well not bad per se
you can get much worse ngl

[swift forge]

Well getting used to some form of audio projection is the same as price justifying quality of products

If you understand my hind-logic

[spark hatch]

fair

[swift forge]

^

Like for example I would say the Pro X is a bit overpriced - for what it offers I appreciate surround sound and USB-C charging, but why can’t you also use that charging port for wired playback at $200 USD?

Not sure what it is in USD but NZD $400 💀

That’s how you get the term “overpriced” - the features stereotyped by the best examples from each price range “define” a “suitable” MSRP for people knowing those examples and what they offer

With the term itself meaning the thought of one who believes not enough is included to justify the purchase price

Equally, “good audio quality” is also based on preference, and the body’s ability to adjust in the scenario that disharmony is projected from a new pair of headphones or a headset. After a while it can improve in sound quality because you’re used to it, and for people like me maybe found a way to make it easier on their ears

When I first got my Pro X, yep my ears ruptured

But that was because I used the sound card

If I connect directly to 3.5mm the soundstage is “wider” and not as bad

But without the sound card arguably games fare worse, with it bass and high treble sounds more defined

My conclusion is that no one says “underpriced” because they don’t want to pay more for a banger product which should be more expensive as a generally agreeable point but always prefer paying less

And overpriced as a term is either preference or stereotypical

Sound quality too

Looks like Lâm went to pet lambs, chat quiet

First time I’ve won an argument here ig

[spark hatch]

I dont think someone not responding is quite a win but gj

[swift forge]

[vale mist]

I don't feel like doing anything rn

I'm tired

[swift forge]

Up to you

[vale mist]

https://tenor.com/view/opinion-opinions-respect-your-opinions-politely-disagree-opinion-rejected-gif-23337423

[swift forge]

For example the Blackshark V2 headset in my opinion - 50mm drivers at a $60 USD MSRP is near unheard of

But who asked for a price hike?

[swift forge]

In reply to this

[vale mist]

driver size doesn't matter

[swift forge]

@vale mist as I said, stereotypical

[ionic briar]

the reason i considered the pro x "overpriced" is because of its performance
putting all the subjective preference about preferred sound signature aside
if you use one with a v shape tune like the pro x (heavy emphasize on the bass and treble frequency range), i would expect it one at 230 usd to give me some sort of bass texture and detail, not just a blob of heavy air movement that sounds deep to the ear
and i did laundry so yea, got sometime to get up and move
as crin put it, the bass ruined the rest of the frequency range, and the technicalities is rather below average from the sample of headphones that he has tried

[swift forge]

And then you have Steelseries at the other end advertising their Arctis Pro “gaming headset” with an amp and all

Like, we get it’s semi-pro

But as a gaming headset, that is a morbid price to pay.

[swift forge]

“Expect” “I think” - stereotypical and opinionated, although good point

Sometimes these words are used in regards to a consumers experience - not manufacturing price or how much is required for continuous production of a set of headphones or a headset

Yes the Pro X isn’t for everyone especially audiophiles knowing it’s “not worth the price”, but there are still Logitech fans who swear by it

For it to go out of production, would leave regular users and geeks alike depressed

especially if I hadn’t bought my model; I was planning to use the sound card to store EQ settings for another pair of analog headphones

Ofc I’ll use it with the original headset too but you get my point

[swift forge]

The middle/second to last paragraph = why CS:GO tournaments use it as their official comp headset

In game gun noises are using the 1K-4Khz band, footsteps sub-1Khz

Aftershot sounds like that of a shotgun or grenade use up to 8Khz

The Pro X is EQed in those comps though and seen so in Logitech G Hub with an FPS preset; Lam wins this round

[ionic briar]

https://crinacle.com/guide/gaming/
whats your opinion on this post?

[chilly perch]

just get a mic 😭

[ionic briar]

about the logitech fans, i feel like this is more or less some sort of" fanboyism" mixed with the lack of experience
frankly, most ppl havent tried what a headphone can be, or what the competition in the same price bracket sound like, and believe that their equipment is the best when it can be better

[swift forge]

this is from a YT comment on the video "gaming headsets vs headphones" by Linus, on the channel Techquickie

[swift forge]

affirmative - still yes you could reprogram audio macros onto a keyboard, but the comfort and convenience of onboard controls outweigh the audio quality of ear-mashing headphones

and there are things you can't reprogram, i.e. the bass sliders on the HyperX Alpha S

[vale mist]

Literally is recommending the m50 and 990

[swift forge]

on-the-fly is a lot more convenient than you think

[swift forge]

heh, still gets my point through

isn't that 96% :p

[ionic briar]

990 is fine a strict gaming scenario imo

[vale mist]

wtf is your point, it was all lost in the walls of incoherent text you've been sending

[ionic briar]

its gonna be ear piercing sure, but that works with where the game audio cues lies

[swift forge]

unless you're an insomniac go with your feelings and sleep, you've stated you're too tired

[swift forge]

preference and stereotyping, plus being able to utilise headphones to their max takes a lot more effort than for a gaming headset

no it doesn't

but the way you can tune it does

and Razer Synapse and Logitech G HUB aren't all that bad, there are EQ presets readily integrated into the sound cards of the Logitech Pro X and Blackshark V2 headsets

with an audiophile headphone? gotta see third-party options which are likely unreliable or more clunky

the main point is a lot of gaming headsets for those at least reading labels should be easier to figure out than the software and internal functions of an audiophile headphone

has your living benefited anyone significantly?

[vale mist]

since when were audiophile headphones unreliable or clunky, Eq apo is a far better software than whatever the gaming garbage is, it doesn't have to run in the background at all and it has tons of features

[swift forge]

my main point is

[vale mist]

.

[swift forge]

how many people have asked how to use a gaming headset, over a headphone?

in this server

and why do they even need to come here apart from that, save for PC problems/building?

[vale mist]

a lot of people have issues with the same logitech headphone you've been defending

[swift forge]

mh

mhm*

any others?

[vale mist]

it was a meme how many people had issues with it

[swift forge]

HyperX Cloud Alpha? Steelseries Arctis 7P? Astro A20?

[vale mist]

use the search function in discord and look for yourself

[swift forge]

alr

but is it related to their initial functionality, or the testament of time

[ionic briar]

the software, which i guess is the testament of time?
also how easy it is to broke it after aobut 6 months of use

[swift forge]

and sometimes, its plain stupidity; some people complain no sound goes to the right earcup of the Logitech Pro X, because the wire simply isn't fully plugged in

I've experienced that before

same with the mic

[swift forge]

oh well it all comes down to my previous point but alr

[ionic briar]

and yea, by broke i mean headband snapped and all that jazz

[swift forge]

use the USB and software

the software has an EQ in it, which probably clashes with Windows functions

[swift forge]

That one was always flawed

[vale mist]

I can keep going this is only the first page

[swift forge]

the wired version is more reliable and functional than wireless

white noise is the sidetone

and it happens to my model too

when you can hear it, its an indication your volume is maxed out on the roller and sidetone is active

[vale mist]

if it was sidetone it would be obvious when they speak aloud

[swift forge]

heres something I know about it, if you can hear the white noise you can hear configured sidetone

if you can't hear the white noise, no sidetone comes through

Its like a sidetone mechanic thing

every model comes with that

[swift forge]

experience related, all in all

[vale mist]

you don't need white noise to have sidetone, that's simply how bad the noise floor of the microphone is

[swift forge]

I hear it without the mic

you really don't understand this

at all

[vale mist]

Then that's a flaw with the headphone not the sidetone

[swift forge]

there is no beamforming mic either, its only a detachable boom and no internal mic

[swift forge]

it can be fixed by simply dialing down the volume roller

however sidetone fails at a lower volume

[vale mist]

yea it's a noisy product, lowering the hardware volume fixes that

[swift forge]

and also, the volume roller doesn't directly control the "actual" vol

its more so how many dB "loud" or "soft" is

a bit enigmatic but thats the simplest definition

[vale mist]

I'm so done with you

[swift forge]

blame your bad taste for headsets

[vale mist]

blame your lack of knowledge and willingness to learn, I have been doing audio for far longer than you have

[swift forge]

and referring back to me saying headsets are more convenient - its not this problem flipping the tables, but yes headphones can function normally better than headsets occasionally, however advanced functions are a lot harder to toggle and stably use

[spark hatch]

if you're argueing the logitch has good audio you're very wrong

[swift forge]

is that your final perception of me? Just because I retort with an alternative opinion I'm considered blind and unknowledgeable? What else have you taught me asides the fact that only the wealthy can afford to listen to music in a closed setting and those with extensive knowledge in audio, or that gaming headset engineers design them without a purpose in mind?

plenty large tub of brainwash you have there

plus I have been observing #audio-tech, now I know of Aria as an audio company

[ionic briar]

uhh aria is a product from moondrop?

[swift forge]

this called knowledge and willingness to learn?

[swift forge]

fuck RTINGS wording

but at least I understand how to read frequency response charts now

and that apple sells a USB-C to analog or the other way around dongle with a built in DAC, if thats true

[swift forge]

length of time invested doesn't necessarily mean knowledge

could be you're reciting the lines of an informative article or book for audio engineers to refer to, and doing so for a decade

[swift forge]

admit that I'm not the worst, you can do it

[spark hatch]

whats the arguement here?

[swift forge]

don't participate

[spark hatch]

dont want to jsut want context

[swift forge]

something I'll be verbally exorcised for

[swift forge]

DMs

[ionic briar]

i have to ask, whats the point you want to make when posting this list?

cause i dont quite understand

[boreal rivet]

holy shit kid

go and touch some fucking grass

I've never seen someone this invested in fucking gaming headsets of all things

[spark hatch]

yea~

[swift forge]

Some good competition eh

The only reason gaming headsets are considered bad is because you audio geeks base it all as using the headset for professional cases

and others aren't as invested so they go with the "experts"

but it doesn't take a lot to realise that gaming headsets aren't birdshit, and in a crowd of budget gaming headsets which serve their purpose with a few perks a turd is the size-to-amount ratio of good headphones within the sub-$200 USD market

because all the others are pure marketing; sure yea gaming companies do the same but at least LIST SPECS when Beyerdynamic and Sennheiser just say "top-notch audio" and "enlarged and refined drivers compared to previous gen" without saying the driver size, which could be handy (even if it doesn't do anything to impact functionality) or the type of driver occasionally

[scarlet walrus]

I’m confused isn’t this a keyboard chat?

[swift forge]

these aren't just for the consumer btw - the audio engineers themselves are likely to check buying links too

[swift forge]

we got into an argument halfway, sorry

[scarlet walrus]

Lol

[swift forge]

It all started here

[vast meteor]

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Gaming-Keyboards/Standard-Gaming-Keyboards/STRAFE-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard-—-CHERRY®-MX-Red/p/CH-9000088-NA

What should i get to upgrade from this one?

I really like having an extra usb in my keyboard for controllers etc

[median fern]

Whats your budget?

[vast meteor]

nothing too crazy, but dont care that much

trying to keep it below 200

Or it needs to be a really good one

[median fern]

It doesn't have a usb passthrough - but the Keychron Q2 & Q3 are very good keyboards for the money

If your looking to build your own Keyboard from scratch maybe a kbd 67lite with gateron milky yellow switches and some WOB PBT DOUBLESHOT keycaps

[boreal rivet]

we base them as audio consumption devices and they almost never fare well compared to their "audiophile" equivalents

[boreal rivet]

thats an L for them, has nothing to do with whether gaming headsets are good or not.

[boreal rivet]

regular "non-gaming" headphones also serve their purpose, only better than their "gaming" equivalents

[boreal rivet]

again, driver size is never handy

tell me when anyone would care about driver size

all of the "audiophile" companies list what driver type they use

you're either ignorant or just blind

[median fern]

I do - bigger ==== better

[boreal rivet]

smort

[sharp ocean]

best 65% keyboard under $300?

[swift forge]

you win this round

But, then again a lot of people complain they’re shit because it’s their all for them - some people don’t even use gaming headsets for their made purpose

It’s likely they were designed for producing accurate audio when game engineers mix the sounds and it plays through presetted drivers

Every company can’t tell you everything

[boreal rivet]

don't care didn't ask

[boreal rivet]

"its their all for them"?

[swift forge]

The same gaming headset is used for everything from movie audio consumption to production

[boreal rivet]

wrong, stop making such idiotic statements

[swift forge]

Obviously some aren’t designed for that

[swift forge]

That’s what DaVincis uncle told him

[boreal rivet]

to solve that problem, simply buy a headphone that actually sounds good

[swift forge]

Until he ended up creating the original model for the modern tank

And the experimental ballista

then painted the Mona Lisa, now parodied into nothing but a troll face medium and NSFW image

[boreal rivet]

except he invented those items, you're simply assuming sound engineers utilise a practice that doesn't exist

[swift forge]

Work for HyperX then report back to me

If you are to prove that

[boreal rivet]

why?

does hyperx develop sound engines?

did you work at hyperx?

[swift forge]

You’ve said ur yourself, I’m assuming

It’s unlikely anyone but the employees can understand the full truth

[boreal rivet]

do you even know that hyperX uses OEMS and doesn't actually design any of their headphones?

[swift forge]

Well they are owned by Kingston so

[boreal rivet]

and?

[swift forge]

I’ll just sit back and relax then

[boreal rivet]

did you just automatically assume kingston is their OEM because their owned by them?

[swift forge]

Get employed at steelseries, pretty sure those kids aren’t copycats or building a shell around others drivers

[boreal rivet]

do you even know if kingston makes headphones?

[boreal rivet]

do you genuinely think they designed and manufactured their own drivers

[swift forge]

Well apple doesn’t make everything in their computers, at least for their Intel Macs

[boreal rivet]

you are comparing Apple to Steelseries

you're not even comparing the same product either

[swift forge]

Go ahead and explain your side

Too fatigued from athletics day today

[boreal rivet]

steelseries does not manufacture their drivers in house

that is the case for all gaming companies

[swift forge]

I see

Honestly if a gaming headset is absolute trash, why isn’t it extinct

[boreal rivet]

because of ignorant people like you

[swift forge]

As in the concept

[swift forge]

they are getting better if you look in the right spots

[boreal rivet]

elaborate

[swift forge]

However the ones who meet this standard are sparse in numbers

[boreal rivet]

what standard?

[swift forge]

And often sacrifice one good feature for improving another

[boreal rivet]

for example?

[crimson isle]

gaming headsets are still trash for the same reason games made for children are still low effort

[median fern]

Damn y’all really fighting over gaming headphones when Apple EarPods are the GOAT

[swift forge]

The Fnatic React is near perfect, barebones and good audio quality according to SoundGuys, the mic recording is

[crimson isle]

soundguys

[boreal rivet]

and you think soundguys is a reliable source?

[swift forge]

Blackshark V2 has a good price point and alr audio, but it’s mic is shit

[swift forge]

Who is?

[boreal rivet]

goldenone

[swift forge]

First thing which pops up

[boreal rivet]

sbaf

resolve

precog

crinacle

[crimson isle]

crinacle had a video on review sites

[swift forge]

how is it that so many people are being brainwashed

[crimson isle]

"average headphone is 8/10" the video

[boreal rivet]

speak for yourself

[swift forge]

Gen Z believing tiktok hacks work without Photoshop

[crimson isle]

the fact Soundguys gives a 7.1/10 to Momentum III wireless headphones says enough

[swift forge]

happening to me but PCGamer, TechRadar, Laptop Mag instead

not to mention Trusted Reviews

[crimson isle]

and they say:

[swift forge]

don't know if its worth giving a glance to TheVerge or iMore anymore

[crimson isle]

I wouldn't go to any sites

but the worst comparison site by far is like versus or whatever it was

[swift forge]

well I don't want to blast all my questions here and annoy someone at work thats all

and I'm at school too, web browsing is more silent than discord pinging

[boreal rivet]

no one cares

[crimson isle]

versus.com literally says HD 820 beats HD 800 on sound, because it has "Travel bag is included" and "Has passive noise reduction"

[boreal rivet]

if someone is at work they'll just ignore you

[swift forge]

well unlikely since you've already inputted in this channel

[swift forge]

tyrue

true*

takes 8 hours for a good response here

[boreal rivet]

who asked?

[sharp ocean]

best 65% keyboard under $300?

[boreal rivet]

go and google

[sharp ocean]

there are many

What about mojo68

[boreal rivet]

i would say kbd67 but you could be one of those zoomer keyboard kids who want thocc and big heavy weights or whatever

[swift forge]

so helpful some brainiac is sitting in front of a device and yet telling another to brainwash themselves

after giving me a full-on lecture about how not to trust any websites on this

[boreal rivet]

the keyboard hobby is not the same thing as audio

it is much more objective

[swift forge]

[boreal rivet]

don't go projecting onto others dumbass

[median fern]

You can definitely make a kbd67 thock

[boreal rivet]

i know you can

[crimson isle]

keyboards dynamic range, distortion, etc

[boreal rivet]

i just dont care whether something thoccs or not

[median fern]

We call that thock and clack

[boreal rivet]

and i find chasing sound in a keyboard cringe as hell

[median fern]

Then don’t!

Do it for the art

[boreal rivet]

I don't!

[median fern]

Make it yours

[crimson isle]

nah, because dynamic range and distortion is actual quality difference

[boreal rivet]

don't need to

my keyboard is a tool, not my personality

[median fern]

I find it cringe when people chase thock and clack rather than making something they enjoy and will be happy to use

[crimson isle]

just grab a custom keyboard because you don't want the low quality plastic black slabs or cherry switches

that's my reason

[median fern]

Sure but so are many other things and people invest a lot of time and energy because they enjoy it

[swift forge]

Meanwhile Hardware Canucks makes a comparison of the Razer Huntsman V2 TKL's kb switch sound to the TE's 💀

[boreal rivet]

good for them

[swift forge]

and recommends them over the latter because they have a better switch sound and layer of foam

[crimson isle]

"better switch sound" is a bit eh imo

[swift forge]

thats my point

[crimson isle]

not like it has detail retrieval

tho you could say "it has less of these issues at stock" ig

[swift forge]

TE sounds great to me because its audible but not enough for my parents to hear, but the v2 TKL is a slimeball on trampolines

which deforms my cochlea

[crimson isle]

I have a hard time thinking about "slimeball on trampoline" without thinking about the noise from jumping slimes in minecraft

[crimson isle]

tho that sounds closer to throwing up

[swift forge]

exactly

a mix of that and switches hitting metal but bouncing off it like its liquified

[swift forge]

it reminds me of something else which I would hate to confide in a relationship

[vast meteor]

is a 100% custom keyboard really worth it versus standard models?

[median fern]

It just depends on what you want for 95% of people probably not, but if you really want it to be yours then yea

[vast meteor]

Ah, prob not for me then. Dont mind the normal models, just always find it hard to get a good fit when online shopping lol

[swift forge]

If you have some experience and know your Gaterons from Akkos, and MX/Kalih housing go for it, it’ll be like a custom gaming PC

But for the majority of people it’s best to buy “prebuilt”

Then if the boards hotswappable go ahead and experiment if patience is at its zenith

[vast meteor]

What is the opinion on corsairs K series keyboards? like the k60 and k70

[swift forge]

Be careful, the peeps here are anti-gaming

although the K60 and K70 are wildly different in price and what you get

[vast meteor]

Dont game that much anymore, but do play from time to time. My keyboard should also be focused around doing a lot of typing xD

Really cause with prices here they are around the same

[swift forge]

I see

Well for a start Corsair keyboards are mostly linears now

Otherwise it’s soldered MX browns and blues

They have their OPX line of optical switches but those are also linear

[swift forge]

Ducky One series, Keychron are some of the best you can invest in

Provided Ryzen i7 is still up to support or differ from my views

Is it just me or is Pepesalad the only user here who’s friendly to all

If you swear by wired invest into the Ducky keyboards, if you like a company making keyboards versatile with compatibility for both macOS and Windows, Keychron’s K board lineup has you covered

[ionic briar]

if you care nothing about all the bell and whistle, theres korean's leopold which got you covered with basic but nicely built cherry mx equipped boards

they comes with super nice and durable caps as well

[prime portal]

Mechanical keyboard recommendations for 60 USD ?
Preferably with red switches

[unkempt dome]

Royal kludge is about the best you can get for that price

[prime portal]

Might getting RK71

[chrome raft]

G815 ❤️

[feral burrow]

Hello
What is the real benefit buying a mechanical keyboard compare to membrane keyboard???

[vapid wigeon]

yes it feels much better is more high-quality… if you compare the two next to each other you are instantly gonna realise

[feral burrow]

okay thx!

[slate lagoon]

We're not anti-gamer. We're just anti paying over price for a terrible keyboard.. because branding.

[slate lagoon]

The red switches in the RK are terrible IMO. They're "too sensitive". Resting your finger on a key will start pressing keys. But if you get a hot swappable one.. There's plenty of options to fix that issue.

[subtle grotto]

Yes and they tick..

Switch ticking basically

[slate lagoon]

I lubed my reds up 😆. They sounded fantastic in the end. Just too couldn't rest my finger on W without accidently running out on a game and getting shot dead.

[subtle grotto]

Even after lubing they tick unless u overlube

[prime portal]

what about the browns on them

[chrome raft]

just dont use the stock sswitches

[slate lagoon]

Don't say the word "browns" on here you'll get shot.
If I was to buy a stock keyboard again, it will be browns I get with it. Its probably best to buy the keyboard then throw a load of Gateron Milky Yellows in it just because they're cheap and better than the stock options.

[chrome raft]

first of all mx browns are acceptable

theyre ok

[slate lagoon]

they're better than the reds. That's my point.

I've tried the reds they suck haha.

[chrome raft]

get the cheapest one

hotswap

[prime portal]

i wanna avoid blues as much as possible coz the click sounds irritates me to death

[chrome raft]

ur gonna have to swap them out

[prime portal]

and i don't wanna buy new switches coz i'm working in a limited budget for my entire new PC setup
like the PC, monitor etc. all together

considering that i'm using an office laptop for most of what i do now

[chrome raft]

ok tell me ur budget

tell me

[slate lagoon]

All the KB's are the same price regardless of the switches. But if you've gotta wait a few days for delivery, then get the brown switches. Its also very cheap to get the felt and foam to mod the RK boards.

[chrome raft]

felt?

[prime portal]

1350 USD but its not gonna be particularly helpful coz i'm not in the states

that's a currency conversion amount

[chrome raft]

ok i would allocate most of that budget to the gpu lmao

[prime portal]

i have already made a list of what i'm getting

hence me saying "60 USD for keeb"

[chrome raft]

ok

[slate lagoon]

sorry not felt.. cotton foam.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B092QTKW7H/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[prime portal]

well
what would be the best out of box experience for the Royal Kludge stuff

[slate lagoon]

Just.. the browns i guess. There's no real decent options. What country are you in btw?

[prime portal]

gonna just get stuff off amazon prolly
thank god for prime

[slate lagoon]

Nah... nobody in UAE got a budget my man. I bet you've got a Lamborghini on your driveway 😆

[prime portal]

unfortunate

[chrome raft]

no but shipping will be 75% of the cost of the lambo

[slate lagoon]

I wanna go Dubai.. those guys got it made.

[prime portal]

lol

[prime portal]

not really

it's a decent tourist city but terribly boring to live in

[chrome raft]

can you allocate just a little bit more for your keeb

[prime portal]

i could prolly go up to like 80 dollars

[chrome raft]

ok

yeah

then get a rk61

and then put some gateron yellows

[slate lagoon]

Come to London.. its not even decent for tourists, yet people still come here to try and see the shrivelled up old Queen.

[chrome raft]

get krytox 205g0

other lubing supplies

and then maybe get durock v2s

if they in ur budget

and then lube the stabs and switches

[prime portal]

the switches are like half the 80 dollars

[chrome raft]

no theyre not

[prime portal]

here they are lol

[slate lagoon]

Nah yellows are cheap

[prime portal]

where you guys looking for this stuff

[slate lagoon]

This is what I got when I ordered mine... I've since added Gateron Oil Kings which are just over half the price of the board itself 😆
If you're on a budget you can skip the sound padding stuff.

[chrome raft]

google

i just searched gateron yellows on google

[chrome raft]

you dont need cut out foam

its a waste of money

[prime portal]

[chrome raft]

just get pe foam

[slate lagoon]

I did it for convenience and speed. Its also pocket change sort of money. So doesn't bother me.

[chrome raft]

speed?

convinence?

so like cutting foam is hard

its not hard

just cut

you dont need to be presice

just stuff the thing in there

also you shouldn't buy plate foam

[slate lagoon]

No, its not hard at all. But when its pre-cut. You just take it apart and bang it it. Why sit there wasting another 15 minutes cutting away 61 little squares 😆

[chrome raft]

61 squares?

bruh you dont need to be that presice

just but a big sheet of foam

under the pcb

i can do that in like 15 seconds

[slate lagoon]

Ohh nahh i've done that as well.

That's the EVA foam sheets on my list.

The sound dampener is totally different. Goes between the mounting plate and the PCB.

[chrome raft]

i dont think that makes a difference

[slate lagoon]

Have you compared a KB with it to one without it? It makes a huge difference. Its why the much more expensive board come with it as standard.

[chrome raft]

just put tape

under the pcb

and then put foam also under the pcb

search up tempest tape + pe foam mod

[slate lagoon]

Yeah I've seen all of them. I did tons of research listened to endless people typing on keebs to work out what I wanted from a keyboard. The sound dampener helps a ton. I actually don't think i need to do the tape mod, however I will give it a go at some point and see.

[chrome raft]

tape mod makes a bigger difference then plate foam

and you probably have tape in your home

so its free

[vast meteor]

How thin does the G815 feel?

[slate lagoon]

I do have tape.. but also a lack of motivation to fix something that ain't broken haha

[chrome raft]

good point

[slate lagoon]

Might do it on Thursday when I'm off work 😆

[chrome raft]

ok

[violet cairn]

anybody have recommendations for an extremely low profile budget wireless keyboard? i want it to be as close to a laptop keyboard as possible

[scarlet walrus]

Maybe keychron might be suitable for you?

[scarlet walrus]

That have gateron low profile switches, and keychron is pretty good

Obvs only the ones that specify low profile

Keychron K3 Ultra-slim Wireless Mechanical Keyboard (Version 2)

https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k3-wireless-mechanical-keyboard

If your’re fine with mini TKL

@violet cairn

[violet cairn]

ayo this is $74

wayy too expensive yo

i was thinking just any low profile keyboard around $20

[scarlet walrus]

Ok idk

[violet cairn]

damn

thanks anyways

[scarlet walrus]

Dya want mechanical or membrane?

[violet cairn]

either one is good

just has to be very low profile

[scarlet walrus]

Ok that makes it much easier

[violet cairn]

and wireless

[scarlet walrus]

Victsing USB Rechargeable Wireless Keyboard - VictSing

https://www.victsing.com/products/victsing-wireless-touchpad-keyboard?_pos=2&_sid=345eeabe2&_ss=r

Still might be too expensive for you

Depends

[violet cairn]

yea its too expensive

not available on amazon either from what i can see

ill just take a dell keyboard then

do you have any other recommendations for low profile wireless keyboards?

[spark hatch]

Keychron or nuphy air

[violet cairn]

alright ill look into them

[spark hatch]

Nvm those are mechanical

Just go into your local tech store and get one

At 20$ they're all shit

Just pick your poison

[scarlet walrus]

Basically yes

[scarlet walrus]

Yep mechanical keyboard that are at all descent are gonna cost you more

[violet cairn]

are there any obscure keyboards that are identical to laptop keyboards in terms of their key travel and low profile

[spark hatch]

yea I think

[violet cairn]

oh which one?

[spark hatch]

not for 20$ tho

[violet cairn]

ofc

[spark hatch]

at least I doubt

[violet cairn]

prolly costs as much as a decent mechanical

cuz its prolly a niche market for those

[spark hatch]

why do you need so low profile exactly?

https://www.amazon.com/Arteck-Wireless-Keyboard-Stainless-Rechargeable/dp/B07D34L57F/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=low+profile+keyboard&qid=1651594902&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFUT05IUlE5T0JDOEcmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA3ODQzNDYzTk5CMDRHM1o0NkI1JmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA0OTYwODIzQkVZQUJGTlBVWldaJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

https://www.amazon.com/Rapoo-Wireless-Keyboard-Low-Profile-Keyboards/dp/B081DVV8YD/ref=sr_1_12_sspa?keywords=low+profile+keyboard&qid=1651594902&sr=8-12-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFUT05IUlE5T0JDOEcmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA3ODQzNDYzTk5CMDRHM1o0NkI1JmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA1OTg3NzczQ1NDTjNQMUNIQ1ZZJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfbXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

[violet cairn]

typing on normal keyboards makes it difficult to write my notes or do homework afterwards, fingers get stiff

and my typing speed on normal keyboards is much slower than my typing speed on a laptop

[unkempt dome]

Hp make some generic low profile just like that ...

https://www.amazon.ca/HP-USB-Slim-Business-Keyboard/dp/B01BQ8S45M/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1V55DZSVYXBBP&keywords=hp+low+profile+keyboard&qid=1651597147&sprefix=hp+low+profule+keyboard+%2Caps%2C123&sr=8-3

But it's not wireless

For the price you want to pay it will be hard ...

[swift forge]

I know that the Fnatic ministreak LP
65 is low profile and hotswappable

yes its a gaming board, but has a coiled cable, low profile keycaps, USB-C, red optical switches

[spark hatch]

has to be 20$ or less

[swift forge]

oh rip

its €120 💀

[spark hatch]

mhm

[swift forge]

the normal one is €60, the normal ministreak 65

rip bozo

[spark hatch]

they woudnt even do a 33$ board so thats not happening

[swift forge]

well all I know is technology is more and more being designated for the wealthy

[spark hatch]

why did you even bring that up

[swift forge]

I'll purge it all then

[spark hatch]

A. that was yesterday and is completely irrelevant
B. this is #peripherals not #audio-tech

lmao Idc

just saying

[swift forge]

yea

I posted here because I know for one thing if I text a single character in #audio-tech I'll be redirected to a crinacle article

[spark hatch]

ah

[swift forge]

as in, Cat in a Box and Glaxes will sign a petition for my sitting in the electric chair

[spark hatch]

I wouldnt know, audio is smthn I'd like to get into but I cant stand headphone and ive never heard of audiophile earbuds so

[swift forge]

I'm at crossroads tbh, I know some gaming companies make their products with good intentions and aren't as shitty as others

but I can't decide which to support which to oppose

research time

[spark hatch]

wait did glaxes get banned?

or is that just an error

[swift forge]

audiophile earbuds do exist although if your definition is electrostatic drivers, there is a pair of earbuds with those which are $1000 USD

[spark hatch]

no idea what elctrostatic is soo

[swift forge]

generally I believe apart from 1440p 240hz - 4K 120hz monitors, audio tech is the next most expensive

[spark hatch]

I dont doubt it

[swift forge]

it can become either the most affordable, or most costly

that is

[spark hatch]

and audio philes are hella picky

[swift forge]

its the most versatile type of tech

or should I say, budget-flexible

[spark hatch]

I've seen like audiophile ssd's. How tf fuck does the ssd affect anything

[swift forge]

dongles, port hubs and cables are the cheapest by far

because they are insignificant to the critical operation of IoT devices, but can contribute to allowing better performance and leveraging certain abilities

[swift forge]

I know for music production RAM does

[spark hatch]

really?

[swift forge]

my 25 yo techhead guitar teacher says that RAM buffering rate matters

or something like that

[spark hatch]

oh yea

[swift forge]

you can hear the difference in high quality music files :p

[spark hatch]

I might have heard smthn like that

[swift forge]

like 100kbps+ or similar

although I know a lot of RAM is unbuffered

[spark hatch]

I see

[swift forge]

like DIMM gaming RAM

or whatever

[spark hatch]

I'll jsut stick with my liberty 3's and some ikea speaker lmao, seems too complicated

[swift forge]

I'm sure Glaxes and Cat will be more courteous towards you than they ever will to me after my bad encountering with them

[latent blaze]

youre not gonna find much at that price point for LP and anything you do find wont be a great typing experience im ngl

[swift forge]

and if you're feeling kind maybe share your learning with me ig

but don't feel obliged to

rauko, Glaxes, Cat all want my head on a pole or my departure from this server

pepesalad is the only nice user I've met

Mark, I haven't interacted with enough to know both sides

Hardware Bob is one of the more intelligent and innovative in my opinion

but other than a few hours I haven't spoken to him again

[spark hatch]

I mean basically anyone with enthusiast level haardware is gonna make an arguement when someone comes in and says gaming level hardware is good (not saying its all bad but more often than not "gaming" devices are bad compared to enthusiast devices)

[spark hatch]

was he the guy with the sad cpu pfp?

[swift forge]

the tech space is either arguments a-galore or tons of people recommending random types of pc components, each with their own perspective of good and bad

Joining this server, I didn't think it'd be this bad

now i know why so many people my age, even the born geniuses avoid these servers

[spark hatch]

pc components are super subjective and hard to pick a best

[swift forge]

they have nowhere to exercise creativity or innovation properly because everyone turns them down for "avoiding facts"

[spark hatch]

so ofc thats gonna be pretty random

[boreal rivet]

LMAO

[spark hatch]

and now you've lost me, sorry

[swift forge]

speak for yourself 🤓

[spark hatch]

its just a server, people come to talk and naturally theres gonna be arguments

[swift forge]

oh, and mxi wants my head in a guillotine

[swift forge]

the keyboard industry and community are far better than, say, audio tech or tech support

or recommending people components

in terms of friendliness in this server

[spark hatch]

audio and components make sense cause its super subjective, I dont see the tech support tho, havent had any issue there

its just touble shooting

[spark hatch]

ah, I dont tech support here so it could be very differnt

[swift forge]

nah I mean when two technicians come together, and have different methods for diagnosing the same problem

happens in other servers

[spark hatch]

ah I see

[spark hatch]

mhm

[swift forge]

and ended up with a fight between me and someone else in the Opera GX server

when I was trying to help another kid on macOS

he severely wounded his reputation after his fix was for windows

[spark hatch]

just try both methods, never had any issues when theres 2 parties involved

[swift forge]

mhm

[spark hatch]

ouhc

ouch

[swift forge]

but if its a one-way lane, i.e. resetting network drivers

then you can only choose one over the other because its a serious decision

[spark hatch]

let the other person win, if they seem to know what they're talking about maybe they do it better, if they're mothod doenst work then it just proves me right

[swift forge]

yea

are you typing on linears ]

[spark hatch]

no

[swift forge]

the errors

[spark hatch]

OH

[swift forge]

[spark hatch]

no im just shit at typing

[swift forge]

[spark hatch]

also doenst help ive make all these errors autocorrect doesnt fix them anymore

[swift forge]

well if you're an index-spacer, makes sense

I used to be similar

[spark hatch]

nah

I type most right

only major thing I do wrong is use the left index to type "y"

[swift forge]

small hands

same here :p

[spark hatch]

I woundnt say my hands are small, just felt more naatural to use the left index than the right, even tho the right index is way closer

[swift forge]

I use the left index too

[spark hatch]

also have a really bad habit of typing 4 letter words in the wrong order, dont ask how but its an issue I have om both my phone and physical board

[swift forge]

Oh, when I had that generic disorder I found out how autocorrect works on a phone

[spark hatch]

like "waht" and "jsut" are smthn I commonly get wrong

[swift forge]

[spark hatch]

my autocorrect doesnt correct it anymore lmao

[swift forge]

autocorrect either rearranges lettering, or if you end up typing "just" as "hysr"it shifts the keys by one to the right/left

because "hysr" is the "ju" typed wrongly, hitting the neighbouring keys to the left

and the "t" typed as an "r"

[spark hatch]

yea

[swift forge]

hard to explain in texting but peering down at the keyboard proves useful

[spark hatch]

I accidentally trained it not to correct those, all my friends make fun of me for not being able to type so to be "funny" I purposely did it wrong acouple times, and now it doenst correct those words

[swift forge]

[spark hatch]

but I have no desire to fixe it/reset autocorrect algorithm on my phone caues I honestly dont care

[swift forge]

It's common for people who type >80 wpm to mess up on one letter words accompanied by multi-letters

[spark hatch]

its just a joke amungst friends at this point

[swift forge]

I'm probably nailing 70 wpm rn

[spark hatch]

ah

[swift forge]

I seem to be slower but thats because I'm correcting after I type

plus emoji names

[spark hatch]

I can type at 90-100 wpm if I want to but im much more comportabl and concistant in the 60-70 range

[spark hatch]

same lmao, or idk how to word what im trying to say to get my point across

[swift forge]

surprisingly I type faster than the Flash needs to run so he can do so on water when it comes to MonkeyType, but largo af on Discord and in actually useful situations

largo meaning 50 bpm in music definitions, or even slower

bathos

[spark hatch]

ah

[swift forge]

just another day wearing down a Macbook Pro membrane board

the laptop Magic keyboard does wonders for speed, but not always accuracy or consistency

[spark hatch]

ah

[swift forge]

unless you're used to either tactiles or heavy linears

screwed up at the end

[spark hatch]

I use medium tactiles, but I can type afait bit faster on a laptop kb

[swift forge]

anyway I noticed Keychron selling low-profile keyboards

wondering if they're any good

[spark hatch]

mhm

they have for awhile

never used one personallly but i've heard they're pretty good

[chilly perch]

I have been tragically stuck at 90-140 wpm for the past like 8 years of my life 😢

90-140 depending on my mood and simplicity of the sample

[spark hatch]

thats pretty good tho

I've been stuck at like 60-70 for quite awhile

i can do 100 if I try, but not for very long and not very consistent

[chilly perch]

Yeah im definitely comfortable at my typing speed and its nice because i dont need to excert a lot of mind or finger energy to actually type fast

but those people who type at like 180+ are insane

[spark hatch]

yea

[spark hatch]

mhm

[chilly perch]

I suspect its mostly because I dont utilize the majority of my fingers

[spark hatch]

how do you type then?

[chilly perch]

I usually use like 2 fingers on my right hand, and all of them on my left

although, i dont even truly use all my left hand either

pinky is reserved soley for shift, so more like 3 fingers on my left

(thumbs dont count as fingers)

[spark hatch]

interesting, yea my friend doest that too but idk how he does it, seems more complicated than just using both sides

[chilly perch]

I think it stems from learning to type from games, always got my fingers as close to wasd as possible

[spark hatch]

I do that too actually

[unkempt dome]

it's a stupid shit to make moron get it ...

[spark hatch]

yea

I knew it was a scam but like who tf falls for it, doenst even make sense

[unkempt dome]

Haven't seen much gaming keyboard or headset that are better than a proper non gaming in the same price bracket ... specially in audio

[unkempt dome]

there's people that test those components and when done properly it's far from subjective ... only when it comes to sound and/or feeling then there's a subjective part

[spark hatch]

yea, thats what I was trying to say

[spark hatch]

thats true but theres still often multiple models or units that are regarded as good and depending on who you ask they might rate one higher than another based on company or smthn idk.

[unkempt dome]

Nah usually it's the testing that determines the rating or which you should buy or not

[spark hatch]

ah

[unkempt dome]

If it's all too similar it comes down to pick the cheapest or the one that looks good to you

[spark hatch]

ah, yea ok

[unkempt dome]

Like between crucial balistix and g.skill ram with the same specs without any intent to overclock ... it's a pick the one that looks he best for you

[spark hatch]

I was just basing that comment on what I had seen in servers and forums, usually see people arguing of what part is the best, but your point mkaes more sense

yea

[unkempt dome]

When people argue it's either that one is wrong or that there's fanboyism

[spark hatch]

yea thats a good point

[strange sand]

my friend does 135 ded ass

[dusk basin]

https://www.onlinehardware.net/shop/uncategorised/jedel-k11-wired-keyboard-usb-low-profile-spill-resistant-quiet-keys/?utm_source=Google+Shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google&gclid=Cj0KCQjwpcOTBhCZARIsAEAYLuUhtzNf_XDsc4i1n2_lt6R8NGF6S8cA0lblhpMSi2zz_EH5CorOJXoaAgmzEALw_wcB

this is very good keyboard

sadly it doesn't load in

[graceful saddle]

Hello Techies. I've bought an HP keyboard on ebay as it wasn't available on its own (it was the nicest feel in-store) and I've just got it and see the fn and function keys are reversed which sucks. All I can find online relate to laptops, bios or OEM software which doesn't apply to me.

Is there any way to reverse the function/fn keys at all on a stand alone keyboard? I can't even find any 3rd party software for it either.

[spark hatch]

is it a membrane or mechanical?

[graceful saddle]

membrane

[spark hatch]

by reserved do you mean they dont work?

or are they bound to smthn other than fn

[graceful saddle]

I mean that when I press F1 I have to hold fn key. Otherwise I mute my pc

[spark hatch]

oh yea I see

[graceful saddle]

This is unusable for macros and stuff you know

[spark hatch]

to the best of my knowledge there is no way to change that

[graceful saddle]

surely it can be fixed with software? Isn't it just simple remapping?

[spark hatch]

you could try remapping those keys through windows

but as software goes unless the boards supports a software it wont work with any softwares

[graceful saddle]

Well I didn't want to load software onto it, I know that won't work. I mean there's gotta be a way to intercept the commands from certain keys and replace with something else?

[spark hatch]

https://www.howtogeek.com/710290/how-to-remap-any-key-or-shortcut-on-windows-10/

I havent heard of that software before so maybe double check that

but thats about all I got

https://www.wikihow.com/Bind-Keys-on-Windows

or this exists

[graceful saddle]

thanks, I'll check it out

[graceful saddle]

ok so neither of those worked. Looking at the instructions however had me really confused. Apparently fn keys aren't registered by Windows
Then how in the world do they actually trigger the right programs?
https://puu.sh/IYp7F/cfb1735ffc.png

I mean that's fair, but there's gotta be somthing that causes windows to execute those commands right?

Now I just want to know how this works to begin with, it doesn't make any sense at all

[strange sand]

my laptop spacebar broke, how to remap the space key to sm els

[slate lagoon]

Windows doesn't execute the command. The FN function on most keyboards is there to change the output of another key. So i can do 1 or F1 on the same key. All the Fn button does is change what it outputs to windows. Windows doesn't see the FN key being pressed as its not usually a key that sends a signal to the PC. Only to the PCB in the Keyboard.

[graceful saddle]

I get that, but for instance, my F12 has the system settings on it, which is an application kinda that launches, so windows recieves a signal to launch that application right? Otherwise it wouldn't show on the screen

[spark hatch]

That's the way the kb was designed, I don't think that's rwversabal

[swift forge]

when you press FN + 3 for example it might be software-mapped to output €, but windows sees it as "€" has been pressed (i.e. this is thought to be a hardware key on your keyboard instead of a combination) and if only 3 is pressed, it thinks "3" is pressed as a proper key

windows executes commands macro-mapped if they are designed to resemble certain functions caused by other combinations or cursor movements

as in Windows sees the function itself, whilst you can see the actual key pressed to execute it

thats what I believe at least

You - presses fn + 5 to type "…"
Windows - I see, I shall output the "…" key which has been typed [the OS thinks its a single key]

Alternatively it could be interpreted as just "doing its job" when a software possibility is ordered to be executed

however the method used isn't recorded by Windows

why do I always babble

[graceful saddle]

It still doesn't make sense though. There must be something going on on a deeper level. It's like if you want me to get you ice cream. Then I will just go and get ice cream to you without you telling me about it first, just as if I knew already. Can you see how that makes no sense? It's the same going on with the Fn functions according to you guys

obviously it can't happen like this, there has to be something in the API or whatever that tells the OS to do a certain thing when an Fn function is pressed

[swift forge]

it could be summer in Australia

[swift forge]

the deeper level = keyboard PCB telling Windows that the fn key is nonexistent and a single key has been pressed which toggles an advanced function by default activated by combinations of keys

but this is just a far fetched assumption, however Microsoft can't say everything :p

[graceful saddle]

I suppose no one has hacked the Windows backend yet to figure it out? For instance, there's a calculator button specifically on my keyboard, no Fn required. It's got no scancode but Windows recieves the command to open the calc. I don't get how it can't be intercepted. I'm not a tech guru, I'll never find out on my own unfortunately. Someone really could do it, honestly, it's just a matter of programming/hacking skills

[swift forge]

Well Bill Gates will have to deal with another lawsuit or smth if the windows backend is cracked open

Because it could expose things they don’t want to, like Intels plans for the 14th gen of CPUs or second gen Arc GPUs

And whether or not they’ll be incorporated into Microsoft Surfaces, etc

[swift forge]

Or, a shit load of extremely accurate hardware leaks

Which will be painstakingly hard to take down from social media once it starts spreading faster than Omicron across several platforms

There’s also the notoriety in certain apps like Terminal on macOS where the language used is enigmatic and learning is difficult - such as there not being many courses for them online

AppleScript doesn’t have a public course for example

so it takes a lot of time to master these to get to the backbone of an OS via making yourself admin, breaking essential firewalls and generally turning your laptop into a metal dwelling with no walls (security joke)

[boreal rivet]

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=44978.0#:~:text=Keyboards do not generate ASCII,language settings on the PC.

[cinder coral]

Ive seen this before on laptops. Usually there is a fn + something combo that would switch it to normal where simply hitting the f keys will work.

is there maybe some type of key that shows a lock on it?

sometimes that's an fn lock

https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Desktop-Hardware-and-Upgrade-Questions/Wireless-keyboard-fn-key-on-by-default/td-p/7086102

fn + capslock

might fix.

[cinder coral]

if you havent figured it out, i'd try this.

fn+capslock

[strange sand]

machanical keyboards on laptop?

do they exist

[spark hatch]

alienware has one

[ionic briar]

acer bolted one into their laptop not laptop a few years back

and alienware cherry thingy imo is more or less a scissor switch rearranged

[spark hatch]

oh yea right

it was a full sized one

[ionic briar]

yea
current full height mx

[spark hatch]

yea

[ionic briar]

https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_M7

this is the previous full height switches

yea they are tall

[spark hatch]

oh yea those are tall

[strange sand]

damn

[distant solstice]

Hey so I am thinking about building a keyboard a full-size keyboard with onboard media controls with clicky switches preferably white and with rgb idk what I am doing with keyboard so like what good

Budget preferred >160 usd

[unkempt dome]

You want to build it ... or want to find a board that will suit your requirements?

[spark hatch]

you want to build one? or just buy a decent prebuilt

[distant solstice]

Build

[unkempt dome]

Then the budget you put x4 at least

[swift forge]

those onboard media controls are not going to be easy implementing

[strange sand]

cant he just get a budget hotswap keyboard and get aftermarket switches and keycaps

[spark hatch]

yes

but they specifically asked to build one, and if thats what they want they're gonna need to up there budget

[strange sand]

damn

ive seen budget builds tho

[unkempt dome]

I don't know... it's not me who want to build it and it's not me that has the answer to what he wants

[latent blaze]

Checkout reddit r/budgetkeebs they can help you better

[distant solstice]

Ok

I was thinking about getting like the nzxt base thing that had the pcb base and plate all I would need is Switches and keycaps

[slate lagoon]

So you want to mod a keyboard. Not build one.

[distant solstice]

This would be building it

I would buy a the base pcb and plate from them

They have a barebones kit

For this reason

[slate lagoon]

Ahh ok ok i got you. Sounds like you've done some research and you already have the base you're looking for in your budget. You just need to find some keys and caps.

[distant solstice]

I was thinking of something clicky and tactile

And white keys

[slate lagoon]

Also Clicky aren't very popular in here. Most of us are all thocky boys.

[distant solstice]

My friend suggested Hyperx puddings or something for keycaps

Isn’t thocky just linear

I mean I like thocky but don’t know enough about them

[slate lagoon]

Thocky is more of a dull thud on linear switches. Its a much more pleasurable typing experience than the clicky tactiles but then its all personal preference at the end of the day.

[distant solstice]

I have never typed on a thocky only linear and clicky

[slate lagoon]

Imagine cherry red or brown switches... but much much quieter. That's all it is.

[distant solstice]

Ok gtg

[strange sand]

bruh my old keyboards keycap broke so...

[latent blaze]

best clickies are box jades but they are very clicky so they may be obnoxious unless you know for a fact u want clickies

Lots of reviews on budget tactiles but akko makes good switches for cheap

also akko makes very good budget keycaps

[tranquil orbit]

is the keychron k8 good?

[cinder coral]

keychron k8 is pretty solid.

they dont ship with well lubed switches, though.

[tranquil orbit]

k

[unkempt dome]

That's not really building it tho ... building it is sourcing case, plate, pcb and such separately

Thocky doesn't mean anything... it's not a proper word to describe a sound

[strange sand]

ye but it sounsdgoooood

[slate lagoon]

"Bang" and "Boom" were terrible words to describe a sound at one point. They caught on. "Thock" is exactly how you'd describe a short sharp thud.

[spark hatch]

yes it does

[spark hatch]

yea its a pretty nice board if you need wireless, otherwise i'd go for the q3

[cinder coral]

In my experience with keychrons in general, lubing was pretty horrible and inconsistent.

I actually am going to be going through and lubing all the switches in my k2 soon, then probably throwing new keycaps on after.

[spark hatch]

they're stabs are lubed fine, theres no rattle so its geed enough. and they lube the swiches with a fine oil, not as good as a thicker lube like 205 but they are technically lubed and do obetter than a stock switch

[cinder coral]

Yeah, i guess i'd agree that they are better than stock switches.

to be fair, mine will be audible as well simply because i got gateron browns with my k2

Was afraid of making the jump to linears as my first mechanical lol

[spark hatch]

yea, I got all my keychron boards with browns. idk what to do with them but og now I have a big bag with probably over 300 gateron browns

[cinder coral]

Not bad to have just in case, i guess?

[spark hatch]

Ig? maybe might be useful at some point

[violet gale]

I know this is a keyboard channel but since there's no mousepad channel, I'm just gonna ask what are some good premium mousepads that are in the market

[spark hatch]

novel keys, kenetic labs and lttstore.com all make pretty nice ones

[violet gale]

What are your thoughts on the artisan pads?

[spark hatch]

I dont actually know anything about mouse pads, those are just ones that look/feel nice

i dont really see anything special about it

[cinder coral]

Funny, i just bought a cheap desk mat that should be arriving from amazon today. will probably be the finishing touch on my setup.