peripherals

[chilly perch]

I would say these give you like a 5 mile view of whats to come (just quickly searched to grab them)

then you just go more and more into depth

[unkempt jay]

Thanks, I will definitely do my research on this topic with your help.

[deep coral]

Hey I have the moonlander keyboard for work and I love it but not the best for gaming in my opinion I perfer more of a traditional keyboard when it comes go gaming anyone got good ones want num keys as well

[chrome raft]

https://imgur.com/ycI7w0S

[unkempt jay]

I'm gonna get a macro key pad and assemble it to practice building actual keyboards

Maybe before the 23rd, near the end of April, or the very beginning of March

[swift forge]

Razer Huntsman Mini and a Drop keyboard of some sort?

[halcyon cypress]

Drop keybored is a bit harsh.

[swift forge]

I’m not an expert, just guessed because I saw a Drop ALT with the same colorway

[halcyon cypress]

Well your not wrong. I got it because it's a hotswap bored I want to practice customizing.

The best part is the hutsmin mini is for an Xbox.

[flint ingot]

bruh i have crapppy 20aud kogan membrane keyboard

why am i even on this channel

[lilac grotto]

SuiWheeze wrist rest i love it

[slate lagoon]

To be persuaded into a better life of keyboard mods.

[flint ingot]

True

I am interested in mechanical keyboards I just haven’t got one lol

[bitter oar]

https://m.alza.sk/asus-rog-strix-scope-rx-czsk-d6667558.htm is this good?

[ionic briar]

its rather meh imo
you have akko in slovakia?

[bitter oar]

No

I can buy it only from amazon.

but, possible VAT and $15-20 shipping.

[ionic briar]

i see
how about the hyperx alloy origins core

[bitter oar]

Is that better?

[ionic briar]

yea
better build quality, fine switch performance

[bitter oar]

worse stabilizators tho.

Yes, better build quality for keycaps.

HyperX switches better than Asus RX ones?

[ionic briar]

where did you get that info from?

[bitter oar]

Reviews.

[ionic briar]

huh
the sample i got sounds pretty fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bnV9YnrWVI

[bitter oar]

when i look at ratings the hyperX has much more critize about stabilizers.

[unkempt dome]

Irrelevany most of the time

[unkempt dome]

That's why you want hotswap...

[bitter oar]

mm

[abstract wadi]

B

Still the best gaming keyboard ever

[vale mist]

and let's be honest all the stabilizers on gaming boards are going to be absolute garbage

[crimson isle]

Rattle bars

Not stabilizer

Personal experience at least

They don’t stabilise anything

[bitter oar]

Which one

[chrome raft]

rattle bars

indeed

hmm yes

[tribal jasper]

i have a steelseries keyboard and ive setup a few profiles for it that used to activate whenever i opened that specific app but that feature suddenly stopped working
can someone help me out
for example when i launched a game the lights turned rgb
and on the desktop they were a solid blue

[scarlet walrus]

Is Everest Core a good TKL keyboard?

[spark hatch]

what appeals you about it?

[scarlet walrus]

It has had lots of praise, I like brown switches and it generally looks minimalist and clean

[spark hatch]

mhm

personally would get the keychron c1

https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-c1-wired-mechanical-keyboard?variant=32321247248473

yea for 150$ I'd look for smthn differnt

[scarlet walrus]

Wow only $65 that is almost certainly much better deal

[spark hatch]

yea

and as far as im aware its the same if not better build quility

if you wanted to look at some more options: leopold, durgod, varmillo and akko all also makes really good boards

[scarlet walrus]

Would it be worth an extra $15 for wireless dya think?

[spark hatch]

do you want wireless?

[scarlet walrus]

Not as a main feature but it is kinda nice as a bonus

Just in case I wanna sit back and watch Netflix or something

[spark hatch]

ah

[vale mist]

personally I'd just a get a Logitech wireless board with a trackpad just for that

[spark hatch]

up to you, personally dont care but if you have a reason to have it go for it

[spark hatch]

or that

[scarlet walrus]

That would be good as I already have a Logitech wireless mouse

[spark hatch]

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wireless-Keyboard-Touchpad-PC-connected/dp/B014EUQOGK/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1N2XSAY7P29X3&keywords=trackpad+keyboards&qid=1650388622&sprefix=trackpad+keyboard%2Caps%2C190&sr=8-3

[scarlet walrus]

Oh one of those

Yk what Ima just stick with that keychron one as it is a good price and I can plug it into my iPad

Thx

[spark hatch]

kinda a piece of crap but it works great for using on the couch and such

alr

[scarlet walrus]

Gotta go thx bye

[spark hatch]

np, glad to help

[zenith swallow]

sheeeeeeeeeeeesh

[quartz island]

How much switches would 10 grams of krytox 205g0 lube?

[spark hatch]

mow many ml is that?

[quartz island]

Doesn’t say

It’s a little tub

[spark hatch]

like that?

[quartz island]

This

[heavy night]

can you build your own wireles smechanical keyboiard

[quartz island]

Buying 2 tubs so idk

If it will be enough

[spark hatch]

alot. prolly around 500 switches~

[quartz island]

Ahh

So will I only need one?

Tub

[spark hatch]

have you lubes switches before? it doesnt take much. just little one the stem and houseing

[spark hatch]

mhm

[quartz island]

Nope

[spark hatch]

watch a video on it or smthn

[quartz island]

Buying the QK65 when restock 2 comes

[spark hatch]

its a very small amount, you dont want to much

[quartz island]

Then using jelly black switches with durock v2 stabs

[spark hatch]

depends

[quartz island]

Is the stabilisers good?

[spark hatch]

mhm

[spark hatch]

do you want to do like fully form scrtach or like a base? cause you cant get barebone cases that have wireless

[bitter oar]

I hate LK blues.

[spark hatch]

who likes blues as a whole

[bitter oar]

moderate spring ping, Extra loud, rattly, loose.

[spark hatch]

click bar clickies are the way to go

[spark hatch]

ofc its loud its a clicky

and everything else you listed is normal fo rclick jacket clickies

[bitter oar]

I have no idea, why shift keys aren’t pingy and all small keys are.

Shouldn’t be reversed?

[spark hatch]

not really, more weight on the modifier keys

what board do you have?

[bitter oar]

A4tech b820r

[strange sand]

Vaseline is also pretty good, I used it for my keyboard and it thoccs

[vale mist]

Vaseline to my knowledge eats away at plastics

so please don't

[spark hatch]

do not use vaseline. it eats plastic

[swift forge]

in the case people do overly utilise the vermin I'm pretty sure metal keycaps will exist one day

[spark hatch]

they do.

[swift forge]

or do they already

[spark hatch]

they're expensive and poinless but they do exist

[swift forge]

wouldn't be pointless, if people that had to rely on CAD in a design workshop used it for extra durability

on their external keyboards, if there are PCs in those rooms

but the keys would have to be soldered to the board and not floating otherwise potentially harmful debris could make its way into the PCB

[swift forge]

if keycaps had points they'd be keycones

[spark hatch]

I have never seens someone break a high quility plastic cap just typing on the board

[swift forge]

not that, more like antiseptic properties or smth moulded into metal since design workshops

tons of debris and dust flying everywhere

plus its likely someone would be typing with gloves on

[spark hatch]

I'd say its pretty useless. you need super heavy switches to use them, they'd be cold/hot to the touch

[swift forge]

I see

[spark hatch]

theres like dust

[swift forge]

if they were thinner or used, say, titanium, it'd be better

[spark hatch]

also in alot of facilities all the computers are in a separate room to keep them clean and such

seems super stupid to me but if you want metal caps go for it

[swift forge]

yea, in our school we have to carry laptops into the design workshop used to cut, saw, sand, mould our projects

[spark hatch]

ah

[swift forge]

there is both metal/wood debris + dust flying everywhere at 10k mph

[spark hatch]

I'd be more worried about the things getting sucked up by the fans than breaking a keycap

[swift forge]

so we have to have kb covers or I/O protection, otherwise we reduce our IoT device lifespan by like 10 months

[swift forge]

that too

but its the fact we wear gloves

so, there'd be debris adhered to the protection

which might get under the keycaps if I drag type 100wpm

[spark hatch]

and metal caps would help how?

[swift forge]

yea nvm

those are in the case a desktop is placed in the workshop but then on second thought the debris would terribly screw the cooling system

because only an external kb would make use of being able to change keycaps, not a laptop membrane

[spark hatch]

mhm

well you can technically get new caps for laptops

but they're alittle hard to find

[swift forge]

but, I am quietly innovating an internal cooling system like vapour chamber which wouldn't rely on the environment to cool components, and can just have PC parts housed in a closed-off case with no holes or crevices

mentally, that is

because whatever it is it'll probably be too enigmatic for others to understand and adopt usage for

[spark hatch]

not sure how you would inovate that

but the nzxt case users would love it xd

[swift forge]

well what I've thought of is a hybrid of AIO and solid coolant

[spark hatch]

if its closed wheres heat going?

it has to be expeled somewher

[swift forge]

well, good point

heat is absorbed by the coolant, which does heat up overtime but has a density which can sustain the cooler surface temp for longer

so, its a bit of a perplexing system

the fluid in the pipes is cooled by a coolant material, which is next to a hollow round pipe whisking heat away from the mobo

this transfers the heat to the coolant solids, which heat up overtime from the hotter temp

but the block will be dense enough to last a while

remember this is for the experienced though, so it does require replacements once in a while since it won't last too long, the coolant absorbing heat and distributing cooler temperatures simultaneously

[vale mist]

all heat has to go somewhere
if you're still following the laws of thermodynamics

[swift forge]

into the coolant block

its absorbed by iceish material, since ice absorbs heat

and energy

[vale mist]

the coolant block will expel heat into the outside air

[spark hatch]

interesting idea but if there is no movement to expel that heat it'll eventually just over heat

[swift forge]

you don't get it do you

[swift forge]

you need to replace the coolant material

its not instantly 5 years of cooling

[spark hatch]

you juse keep filling it?

[swift forge]

its not fluid - a thin sheet of dense solid coolant material behind or in front of the mobo

which is next to a pipe network like seen in water cooling, which are made of material that can easily transfer temperatures to fluid inside, which pass the cool around the mobo to cool various parts

[spark hatch]

doesnt make sense to me since the heat isnt going anywere but gl making one, it'd be pretty interesting seeing a cooler that doesnt need any airflow

[swift forge]

one side will be cool fluid, other hot

and since the sheet is prominent behind the mobo, the pipes are touching as well, which transfers the heat onto the coolant surface which causes a colour change of some sort indicating its cooling potential is limited; after a while ofc not instantly or it wouldn't be worth it

[swift forge]

if someone does come up with this later on and has a hell lot more PC experience than I do, I doubt this system will be cheap

[unkempt dome]

They use cheap membrane keyboard they buy in hundreds for way less than one metal keycap set would cost

[swift forge]

yea I realise

[oak zenith]

bro dip your computer in mineral oil

[swift forge]

that helps?

[oak zenith]

isnt it the same idea as yours

[swift forge]

not really

mineral oil is a liquid purely, I'm working off both solids and liquids to design a cooling system that doesn't require any airflow

it does come with flaws, like fluid and solid needing a more frequent replacement maybe daily for the solid and monthly fluid

[oak zenith]

why would you want to do this

[swift forge]

so people in workshops with debris flying everywhere into orifices and computer cooling systems can actually consider using a PC in the workshop alongside projects so they don't need to memorise a CAD blueprint or risk accidentally ripping paper for some reason

without compromising the desktop by letting debris clog the thermals and mobo

which could make it explode if its a fan-based system

[oak zenith]

computers are already in heavily dusted places bro

[swift forge]

or just shut the PC down before it has a chance to

[swift forge]

how long do they last, in comparison to home computers?

or should i say how efficient are they in the long term

plus I'm talking ones that use a monitor to display data, not brick supercomputers or the like

[oak zenith]

30+ years

have you seen plc cabinets

[swift forge]

efficiency?

well I'll just do this for fun, I'm not using any hardware yet to create it

just drawing blueprints and whatnot, probably only readable by myself since I have no talent in the art sector basically

when it comes to complex models

so I'll just abbreviate a lot of things

[swift forge]

Just a question, what components in a PC typically heat up the most?

I know if you overclock by 2Ghz or smth all of them are similar temps but on average

[oak zenith]

much more than trapping heat in a box

because fanless pcs can actually cool themselves

[swift forge]

by dissipation through metals, I know

or vapour chambers or smth

and I'm not talking trapping heat in a box, more so its absorbed by materials within

maybe I could let it be expelled via metal transfer

[oak zenith]

why

https://www.tonepublications.com/media/aleph-front.jpg

why not this

[unkempt dome]

We use aircooled pc and they've been fine for years

[unkempt dome]

I would say the same even longer than the usual gaming pc ... cause shop don't tend to upgrade as often as gamers

[swift forge]

I mean if this system of cooling becomes successful it’s be a relief for me since I sit in a room with a small desk and a small single window which doesn’t provide a lot of airflow

[oak zenith]

where does the heat go

[vale mist]

gpu, cpu, specifically the dye

[swift forge]

I don't have a PC, but my iMac's cooling faces the wall and is air-cooled

as per apple standards

[swift forge]

RAM and storage as well, or not so much

[swift forge]

supposed to be out the window but it seems like its retained in my room, so its like a sauna here

[unkempt dome]

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/223666573901?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=706-162034-195411-8&mkcid=2&itemid=223666573901&targetid=1390212558702&device=m&mktype=pla&googleloc=9000364&poi=&campaignid=13939713973&mkgroupid=130254459572&rlsatarget=pla-1390212558702&abcId=9300619&merchantid=116374385&gclid=CjwKCAjwu_mSBhAYEiwA5BBmf41hvVTG5ZGSvEy0_tGRNjMqTXgCNnxUzD3bs4xEgSdh0YGzrGyrLhoC2oUQAvD_BwE

That's exactly what we use at work on every machine

Been fine since 2014 in the dirtiest conditions and it never been cleaned

[strange sand]

Dam

It's prolly fine tho bc I used baby Vaseline which isn't as potent

[spark hatch]

what?

[strange sand]

Like baby Vaseline isn't as strong

[unkempt dome]

I would'nt count on that

Base stuff is still all petroleum jelly

[spark hatch]

OH I see, I didnt read the baby part, still wouldnt recomend using it

it'll just eat slower

[spark hatch]

^

[strange sand]

Ah shi

Well hopefully it lasts like at least like 2 yrs

[oak zenith]

use adult vaseline

[strange sand]

Ayo wtf

Sus

[spark hatch]

do not use vaseline.

[swift forge]

its a micro PC

not what I was explaining before

[unkempt dome]

It still doesn't matter... the fact is that it's in a shop being exposed to metal dust, oil, vapor oil in suspension in the air and been splashed with coolant ...

And never cleaned and still works perfectly

[vale mist]

storage is passively cooled as long as the case has good airflow there's nothing really to worry about same thing for ram

[unkempt dome]

And we also have full towers in the same environmental conditions and it's the same ...

No need to seal them or find some exotic kind of cooling solution for those

[fossil tiger]

My friend is using Vaseline instead of thermal paste.

[crimson isle]

500’C

[worldly kelp]

Dielectric grease on stab wires good?

[strange sand]

Didn't mryeester do that

[dim wasp]

Anyone able to recommend a 100% shell and pcb to me? Looking to use cherry switches and I have no idea where to start

Beige or brown is preferable but not required

Actually I think I found something

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-CHERRY-KEYBOARD-G83-6104LPNUS-0-00-RS-6000-M-Tested-/203236623736?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0

Or is this not mechanical

[spice willow]

damn I just found out smth pretty cool .. if u keep items in ur keychron cart for like 5-6 days keychron will email u a 10% off coupon

[raw inlet]

i've seen something similar with samsung in 2018. i was browsing for a flagship phone. after some time a pop-up appeared in bottom right (like a psuedo instant message) telling me about a special discount, which i did get to use.

[ionic briar]

yes good

[ionic briar]

this seems to be not mechanical

[dim wasp]

TLDR I want a keyboard to go with my noctua build

And I know it's a meme but I really want to use browns

[ionic briar]

then buy some browns and slap on a 9009 keycap set for that retro look?

[slate lagoon]

i mean generally most websites will do that. Never buy straight away if you're not in a rush but leave the items in your basket.

[slate lagoon]

Nothing wrong with browns at all. At this point I'm pretty sure people just hate on them because they just want something different to the standard "red, brown, blue" that you get from manufacturers.

[dim wasp]

I just need a chassis that would match the noctua keycaps at this point

[unkempt dome]

Noctua mt3 keycap set from drop

Yeah saw that later

[dim wasp]

...

[unkempt dome]

You won't find a brown case ... you'll have to paint it

[dim wasp]

What about beige?

[unkempt dome]

Not the noctua beige

Similar but not the exact same

Unless drop made something like that

[dim wasp]

That's fine, it will be good enough for me

[unkempt dome]

Also get something better than cherry switches

[dim wasp]

I just want a 100 % chassis at this point

[bitter oar]

I got this.

Instead of this.

I’m very upset. Cuz, i’m missing alot.

Even when i changed the macro for it to
L-shift

Should i return it?

[spark hatch]

told you not to get an asus board

lmao

[bitter oar]

The switches are very smooth btw,

but, this fucking button.

Bruh, what they tought?

they sized up the crtl.

and decreased L-shift wtff

By 3 times

Or 2.5

As, i expected the cable is very bad.

but, the rest is good.

Just the fuckinnn

Button

Bruh

[spark hatch]

sure

[bitter oar]

That cloud’ve be very decent board without the tiny shift

And the thick keyboard

[spark hatch]

its not but alr

[bitter oar]

It’s very smooth tho.

[boreal rivet]

its just some weird layout

return it or something

[boreal rivet]

and stop gatekeeping lmao

[spark hatch]

have you used a good enthusiast board before? its not good.

I think asus does actually have decently smooth switches but I dont remember where I heard that

[bitter oar]

It’s less deep on video.

The spacerbar is awesome ngl.

[spark hatch]

im not, its not a very good option. ig it is better than like a corsair board tho

[bitter oar]

Corsair is too rattly.

[boreal rivet]

so what if it isnt tho?

they like it so leave it

[bitter oar]

I have to return it cuz of the fuckin small “shift”

Yes, it’s not suited for nothing better than casual gaming cuz the shift.

and smaller spacebar

[spark hatch]

mhm, idc but im not gonna go and say its good or anything

[bitter oar]

It’s good, for US

[boreal rivet]

right then you don't have to be an ass about it either

[bitter oar]

the CZ layaunt comes with small shift

[boreal rivet]

fucking keyboard people lol

[bitter oar]

why you hate asus boards so much?

not terrible neither perfect.

it’s okay competition when it’s at 80€ or $88

[spark hatch]

wasnt trying to be an ass sorry, just pointing out its not a great option

[bitter oar]

you can’t get anything better with $88

it’s not good option when someone has budget like $150

but, under $90 yes, i guess it’s best expect for europe cuz of the custom small shiftkey.

The board is also kinda creamy and thocky.

[spark hatch]

they're alr from a average consumers stand point but im enthusiast. Ik theres alot better options for the money, leopold, durgod, varmillo, keychron and akko all being examples of much better boards for the money

[bitter oar]

Definitley thocky

and slighly creamy-like.

Clacky

[spark hatch]

its sound is fine, I dont think I would call it thocky tho

[bitter oar]

it’s very thocky.

[spark hatch]

also although being alot better than corsair, its space bar has some rattle to it

[bitter oar]

I really can’t call it clicky.

or clacky

it’s thocky and lighly clacky

[vale mist]

thock is overused so damn much

[spark hatch]

its pretty high pitched in my option, but sound is completely preference and everyone describes how it sounds different

[spark hatch]

mhm

its not even that appealing in my opinion, just sounds muted

[bitter oar]

as i said on video it’s much less deeph.

I’m using ipad air 3

[spark hatch]

mhm ik

[bitter oar]

I was worried about spring ping.

It’s already weared out

W,A,S,D has no spring ping

[spark hatch]

why woudl wasd have it and nothing else?

[bitter oar]

G has spring ping

Slight

I would give 4.2/5 for the US version and 3.5/5 for the eu version.

[spark hatch]

thats not an amazing rating, why do you like it then?

[bitter oar]

-0.5 point for thick cable

-0.1 for double usb 2.0

-0.1 for very little spring ping

[spark hatch]

personally wouldnt call that a bad thing

I have a very thick cable

[bitter oar]

oh really? It’s so thick.

i can’t do cable management.

-0.7 for tiny shift key.

-0.1 for kinda buggy software.

[bitter oar]

-0.1 for small spacebar.

+0.1 i expected the rgb to be less good.

Idk, should i rate numpad as a minus?

[spark hatch]

thats personal preferance

[bitter oar]

I use numpad only for typing.

so, i guess it’s E

nothin

I can go without numpad.

[spark hatch]

I see

[bitter oar]

So, -0.2

I did not expect the switches being so clacky.

or thocky

+0.2

Similiar to gateron yellows.

Non lubed

Or something brtween

[spark hatch]

for sound or smoothnes?

[bitter oar]

yes, very smooth.

I think over-smooth.

it’s too responsive.

-0.1

[spark hatch]

unlubes gat yellows arent amazingly smooth

[bitter oar]

Or 0

I just had no time to

[spark hatch]

lubed they are but unlubed the'yre pretty meh

[bitter oar]

these are amazingly smooth.

I’d call it too much the 40g actuation force.

i prefer like 45g

[spark hatch]

have you used a good linear before to compare them to? or are you basing that on what ever you had before?

[bitter oar]

Based on what i had,

[spark hatch]

ah

[bitter oar]

gateorn milky yellows, LK blues, RX red switches rn

Gat

[spark hatch]

all unlubed/

[bitter oar]

Khail reds

I lubed W,S,A,D

on gateron yellows

i got lazy cuz, it took me half hour to lube 4

[spark hatch]

bruhh, that pains me so much xd

so when you're typing those 4 keys sound and feel differnt

[bitter oar]

The Rx reds are similiar to lubed yellows

But much smoother.

not as much

just smoother

[spark hatch]

waht did you lube the yellows with?

205g0?

[bitter oar]

with glorious lube

[spark hatch]

ah

[bitter oar]

It’s only thing avaiable in europe

middle

Middle europe

[spark hatch]

I c

[bitter oar]

Lucky, i didn’t wanted to pay for $10 lube and $15 shipping and possible VAT.

i anyways didn’t lubed all gateron yellows.

just 4

and i overlubed one

it sounded like mx red silent and smooth as my old LK blues.

that means terrible.

[spark hatch]

yes i realise

[bitter oar]

Also, i smashed my custom keyboard.

and i damaged the PCB.

“w” key

cuz, the spacebar were not reacting at all for few seconds.

And i died cuz of it

And i bent one of the lubed gaterons.

When i smashed it one just clipped of the pcb.

With bent pin.

And yeah, i got 70 pack of gaterons.

i didn’t even had enough.

one lost, one over-lubed (thrown in trash), one with bent pin.

i’m not sure, but i think one switch was already missing in the pack.

[spark hatch]

you can bend back bent pins

[bitter oar]

And yeah, i ended up without keyboard and bought this.

i tried,

I snapped off it.

[spark hatch]

i c

[bitter oar]

I tried to bent back it perfectly.

I mised 5 times.

And i think on like 6th time it just snapped off.

At this time, i already spend like $300 on keyboards

[spark hatch]

waht board did you have before?

[bitter oar]

I’m trying to adapt to the two small shift keys rn.

In warzone.

I just can’t

It’s also ugly

the two keys.

Would i ask to swap out the keyboard?

[bitter oar]

nah, i will return it back or better get same keyboard with US layaunt

[opaque shard]

Hot take: No traditional keyboard is suitable for gaming

[spark hatch]

nah

well idk, but im fine with qwerty

[worn storm]

thats a pretty hot one

[opaque shard]

In short: They're not designed for hands

[worn storm]

I mean I can say the same thing about most console controllers, especially anything made by sega or sony. Doesn't mean they are unsitable

[opaque shard]

Alright, let me rephrase:

Hot take: No traditional keyboard is truly good for gaming

[vale mist]

I mean you can use basically anything for gaming, I know of fellow osu mania players who play at a top level on laptop or even cheap membrane keyboards

I even had tryed playing osu mania on a old tactile space invader switch keyboard, it wasn't a bad experience whatsoever

[swift forge]

A lot of people prefer “gaming keyboards” for the purpose although the price turns it into their main, because the vast majority probably aren’t going to be able to afford another in a short period of time

And yes I know maybe a few streamers have custom keyboards but

[opaque shard]

I designed my own keyboard for writing, and I designed another one that is only meant for gaming (not writing) but I haven't assembled it yet

But I understand that's not for everyone

[swift forge]

Lemme guess, writing has blue or clicky switches/browns and gaming has linear/speeds

[covert oyster]

Can anyone recommend a linear switch that just feels realy nice and has a similar weight to reds?

[spark hatch]

its all preference, but theres like carrots or I think akko linears are alr

not the best person to ask tho, dont like linears

[swift forge]

Good news, Razer allows keycap modding on their new Razer Huntsman V2 TKL

and I’ve seen some reviewers being able to take apart the keyboard entirely to see the sound dampening foam layer

Now just waiting for a hotswap board

[spark hatch]

maybe but im not too optimistic itll be good

[swift forge]

Lmao

But hey with the keycap modding it’s not really dodgy, Razer is shipping their own customising sets

They named them “upgrade sets”

[spark hatch]

yea

keycaps dont make a board good

[unkempt dome]

Carrots are heavier than reds but really nice feeling ...

Gateron yellow are lighter than carrot but still heavier than reds

Check out akko linear offerings ...

[deft wadi]

My brother is trying to decide on a keyboard and mouse. Which is the better combo at the same price?

A) SteelSeries Apex Pro Keyboard
SteelSeries Aerox 5 Wired

2. Razer Huntsman V2 Optical Red Linear
   Razer Viper 8KHz

[swift forge]

The second deal would be great, minus the Viper 8Khz and instead a mini or Deathadder V2/Basilisk V3

The 8Khz is gonna eat a lot of cash tbf as well

If you want hotswap abilities go for the Apex Pro but ditch the Aerox 5 and get a Razer mouse or smth

[chrome raft]

dont buy either

firs of all tell us ur budget

[swift forge]

Gaming boards nowadays are still decent if not the best

[chrome raft]

press x to doubt

[swift forge]

And as far as I see where this is heading he’s not after a dedicated keyboard like a Wooting or Ducky

[chrome raft]

i strongly disagreee with that statement

[swift forge]

If you’ve suffered multiple failures in switches, L for ordering from Amazon

They always become defective after a few years ordering from Amazon, straight from the manufacturers site there’s less of this

[chrome raft]

first of all what is a dedicated keeb

[swift forge]

I’m saying Wootings, customs, Duckys, Drops

[chrome raft]

when did i start talking about amazon

[swift forge]

Gaming keyboards and a lot of gear is ordered from there

The more negative side of reviews on high end gaming kbs usually comes from Amazon and Newegg

[chrome raft]

yeah

[swift forge]

because they both have scammers and it’s possible what’s listed as first hand may well be second

[chrome raft]

the highest end gaming keeb probably has the modding potential of a rk61

[swift forge]

Apex Pro

[unkempt dome]

it's still the same board that are sold on amazon than directly on the manufacturer site ...

[swift forge]

Linear optical switches and hotswap ability

Plus an oled display for system data

And every key being macro-programmable

[chrome raft]

so you can swap mechanical switches into it?

[swift forge]

Strangely enough yes

[chrome raft]

u sure?

[swift forge]

and you can customise pre travel distance

[swift forge]

Pretty sure

But I’ll double check

[chrome raft]

yeah

[unkempt dome]

I don't know any board that has the hardware to do that

[chrome raft]

exactly

[unkempt dome]

Oleds display on a keyboard is really meh ... I would take a pie display way before a keyboard with screen

[chrome raft]

what is a pie display

[ionic briar]

yea im pretty sure that the hall effect on the alphas of the apex pro is not interchangeable with other mx footprint switches

[swift forge]

Nvm the Omnipoint are mech on the Apex Pro

[unkempt dome]

Raspberry pie ...

Lots of DIY with those display ... for system status/information/temps and such

[ionic briar]

mech here means the same as cherry mx?

[swift forge]

Nah, Omnipoint switches from Steelseries

And they aren’t hot swappable as some people say they are

[ionic briar]

they are replaceable with other ommipoint or even with gateron hall effect present on wooting's hall effect boards (which is the oem of the ommipoint)

[swift forge]

They are?

[ionic briar]

but yea, as you said, not hotswappable with other mx based design or with a billion different implementation of optical contactless switches

[swift forge]

I see

[chrome raft]

oh ok

[swift forge]

the only hotswappable gaming keyboard is the Pro X from Logitech which I can think of

[ionic briar]

yea
ommipoint's construction is just a switch with a magnet at the end of the stem's pole

[swift forge]

Though you do need to use their GX switches

As replacements

[swift forge]

Explains the adjustable pre travel

[ionic briar]

thats the inherent capability of hall effect

since the electric voltage is measurable, its not hard to convert that to distance and then you have analog input and other bell and whistle

https://youtu.be/LpKBC1tWXws?t=50

heres a video explaining hall effect from the swearing dutch man chyrosran

[ionic briar]

not really
since gx switches are using the mx footprint and pin location
you can yeet in anything that is also using the mx footprint and pin location in and it will work

[spark hatch]

^

[spark hatch]

I disagree, they're almost all over priced

[ionic briar]

yea, the q series from keychron is making waves in the high end price point for gamer boards

[spark hatch]

yea

[ionic briar]

about 200 usd nets you a full metal case as opposed to most gamer board in that price point still using just alu mounting plate with a plastic case

that being said, the wooting two is something fresh in terms of switch design
and it uses hall effect on all of the switches, not just the alphas like the apex pro

[spark hatch]

yea, also has a really nice gasket mount apposed to the tray mount, but thats more of a preference thing

havent looked too much into wooting

ik they're suposed to be nice but i've never bothered to look at one

[vale mist]

The wooting 60he is going to be really nice

you could swap the case out to almost any 60% case

as long as it has the same screw layout it will fit

it is on the expensive side but that's the cost of hall effect

[spark hatch]

ah Isee

[swift forge]

Apart from that lol

[swift forge]

POGGERS

Thanks Lam

[spark hatch]

so then they're not good
\

[swift forge]

On an intellectual scale ig true since price supposedly defines stereotypical features which are missing on many gaming keyboards

Although I don’t see media keys elsewhere

[ionic briar]

the knob can handle that
ofc scrolling for volume change, and pressing down for play/pause

honestly thats a more efficient way of doing media button to me than the whole dedicated roller bar and media button

[spark hatch]

mhm

I've seen some with double press to skip aswell

[ionic briar]

dont have to do the whole macro layer key thingy, which is the main criticism i saw on non gaming boards when it comes to media key implementation
a fair complaint, since it feels like extra steps to achieve the same result when you could have a dedicated button for it

[spark hatch]

ah, fair enough

[vale mist]

I mean skill issue

my media keys are just fn and del end and page down

volume is the row above with fn

[spark hatch]

I use f7-f12 for media

[ionic briar]

well with enough usage and prob any macro would be as easy to use as a dedicated button
but again, the granularity of the knob is very nice to have and can be useful in other application
ofc it depends on the ergonomic position of said knob on the board as well, but at least the option is there and you can rebind it to whatever you want

[spark hatch]

niceee

[opaque shard]

No, they're all linears actually. I use very light switches for typing so that my fingers use less energy

The keyboards I use are not very traditional

This is my keyboard for writing

It's just a prototype though, theres a few stuff that could be improved

[swift forge]

Steno?

Or have you done something like 1 keypress = A, two = B and so on

[opaque shard]

No, it fits all the alpha keys

It is 32 keys in total

I just have a few layers on the thumbs to access numpad, navigation keys and symbols

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/847753414229491733/964862982268002364/unknown.png

I made this visualization

[swift forge]

hmm so how do you activate secondary and tertiary functions?

[opaque shard]

Hold taps

Tap for primary button, hold for secondary behavior. Like modifiers or layer

If I hold both my thumbs, I get F keys, media keys, caps lock and that kinda stuff. But I haven't visualized that layer yet

[swift forge]

So you're creating your own keyboard layout

I mean with the whole duration sensing system, wouldn't it be frustating to type quickly since keys like caps lock, shift, enter require a longer period to activate?

plus it might limit the vocabulary you can type, though these can be resolved later

gl on finishing the keyboard design

[swift forge]

For example if you want to type "Everyone" - how do you press + hold E for shift then type a capital E?

[opaque shard]

I hold S with left middle finger, and then quickly tap E with my right middle finger

That results in capital E.

Because each hand has a mirror of all the modifiers on the homerow

And the duration you need to hold is immediate as long as the next key you press is on the opposite hand

It's also quite short when it's on the same side, 150ms

[swift forge]

I see, clever

why did you design this layout? I see it looks as if its the same layout as all four fingers and the thumb of a human hand

same positioning

[opaque shard]

Uuuuh, it looked fun I guess

And then I went down the rabbit hole

[swift forge]

well you can learn a pretty special skill if you do manage to pick it up, with your design

if you're a double joint you might as well save yourself from using the tips of your fingers to type by flexing your finger muscles mid and all the way near the joint to type characters and keys below the top row

and your layout makes me think of the possibility you can type with the back of your fingers, since there are two ridges between the middle joint and fingertip as well as the mid and bottom joint

[opaque shard]

I'll be looking more into 3D designs later once I'm finished making this compact keyboard

https://bastardkb.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/sk1-e1622663917705.jpg

I want to make something similar to this

But more compact I guess

[swift forge]

more com-

if your target is 5 keys or under I recommend you make a board for tapping Morse code instead of regular alphanumeric characters

[opaque shard]

I think 30 keys is my bare minimum

Or 28

Ideally, the index does not manage more than 3 keys

And pinky no more than 2

However

I've been looking into custom 3D printed keycaps so I can place the keys physically closer to each other

Particularly in the forward direction

But also horizontally for the 2 index columns

That would perhaps make it easier to keep the layout I have

But just printing 50 of those keys would cost like 80 dollars and there would be no guarantee they actually fit properly

I've also considered comboing keys for pressing alphas

[sleek bronze]

Have you just tried choc switches with a choc spaced PCB ? @opaque shard

And ofc choc keycaps

[opaque shard]

@sleek bronze I am currently using Choc V1 switches with Choc spacing

They are not tight enough.

I want the keys to sit even closer

[sleek bronze]

Ok ok

[fringe path]

Dactal yes

[severe mica]

is there a software for corsair keybords?

to find rgb patterns

[vale mist]

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/icue-library

https://alex.krastev.org/profiles

[strange sand]

What is the best home made lube I can use for keyboards, bc I used vaseline

[spark hatch]

just get some

its not expensive

[unkempt dome]

RIP

[scarlet walrus]

What is the best low profile TKL gaming keyboard under £/$100?

[strange sand]

Bruh i can't jus get it, here is like 30 dollars for a dinky tube

[spark hatch]

its like 10$ and its not so much a "dinky tube" it'll lubes 300-500 switches

[spark hatch]

look at keychrons lowprofiles boards, or look at the nuphy air 75

[scarlet walrus]

ok thx

[bitter oar]

Watch out,

some low profile keyboard might have low profile switches.

That’s it

[unkempt dome]

Well yeah thats the goal of getting a low profile keyboard ...

[spark hatch]

ofc they have lowprofile switches

thats kinda the point

[strange sand]

wtf

damn

[vale mist]

the thing is depending on where you get it shipping may be pricy

[spark hatch]

mhm

[swift forge]

"gaming kb" in your price range the dedicated RGB planks are usually membrane so yea follow Ryzen's advice

[covert oyster]

Are the Akko Macha green switches a good liner switch?

[spark hatch]

I think they're decent but im not a linear guy so im not too sure

[scarlet walrus]

Yep i think I’ve settled on a keychron

Thx

[unkempt dome]

Lot of people like them ... but maybe compare them with other linear you are used to

[slender mortar]

Gotta say the Cyberpower Skorpion K2 Blue switch is my favorite keyboard and leagues better than my old Razer Black Widow Stealth.

Very ergonomic for me and it go clickity clak

[spark hatch]

well the black widow is garbage so understandable

[slate lagoon]

did i read this right? 🇫

[swift forge]

Homemade? Hell we don’t know what you have, best I can do is find someone to teach you how to make lubes

[strange sand]

Ok

[slate lagoon]

If we go purely on viscosity. Vaseline would be good for lubing stabs its thick and sticks really well. As for switches, the consistency is more like a creamy moisturiser like a Dove or E45 cream. Not sure what you have at home.

[strange sand]

Yeah thars fine, I used vaseline

[ionic briar]

they are going to degrade thermoplastics tho?

[unkempt dome]

Yes

In the long term

[subtle grotto]

Thats why vaseline not recommend lol

[strange sand]

Ye but by the time they do ill proly have a better keyb than the one I have rn

[spark hatch]

Don't use Vaseline it's pretorium jelly and will eat the plastic over time

[unkempt dome]

You'll get another keyboard within 6 months to 1 year ?

[spark hatch]

You think it would last that long before doing noticable damage?

[unkempt dome]

Probably

[strange sand]

wtf

ah shi

i dont wanna open up my switches and clean them,..

[bitter oar]

Recommend me a fully-hot swap keyboard under $100

TKL

mayble 75%.

[spark hatch]

leopold, durgod, varmillo and akko all make really good boards

Look at there options

[bitter oar]

What about redragon k631 castor

[spark hatch]

Eh

[bitter oar]

Why eh

What about womier

wk61

[spark hatch]

Not good build quality, low quality parts. Just not worth it

Save for a good one

[bitter oar]

what about gmmk 2

I’m not sure if it’s in stock.

at GP website.

[latent blaze]

Gmmk is good starter keeb

[bitter oar]

Yes, but.

Is it in stock.

Glorious website just doesn’t show it.

[latent blaze]

idk where u live but its in stock in US

[bitter oar]

I tought,

Redragon ins’t decent BQ?

it sounds less cheap than the RKs

https://youtu.be/ODEx7qMfxAU

it’s $47 in amazon.

The cons: doesn’t have F keys, ABS double-shot, Not alot keycaps compatible with 65%.

pros: 5/3 pin sockets, only $47 usd.

Should i take it?

[unkempt dome]

No F keys is a plus ... more space saving and still can access them with fn key
All akko keycaps (or like 95% of them) are 65% compatible

Are those socket the outemu hotswap ones or more normal ones ?

[bitter oar]

5/3 pin sockets

99% compatible

Gateron compatible.

[unkempt dome]

Ok then good socket

Well that one is not so old so there's no one in keyboard chat I'm in that has it and can give an opinion

[bitter oar]

Is it good?

[unkempt dome]

Well no idea since nobody I know has it

And I don't trust keyboard or audio reviewers

[bitter oar]

what about redragon k530 pro

or, which company sells keyboards.

with free delivery.

no paid shipping

[unkempt dome]

No idea about free shipping

Best bet is get it from amazon

Like keychron and akko are on sale on amazon ... same for royal kludge and the gmmk

[bitter oar]

What about Evga z15

[unkempt dome]

Most people will say meh ...

[bitter oar]

45€

with shipping

3 pin hot-swap

[unkempt dome]

I would say save more money

[bitter oar]

not gateron compatible.

Yes, but i don’t want to spend everything on keyboard

is evga z15 good?

For the price

[unkempt dome]

I would probably get the redragon k552 instead

[bitter oar]

The damn shipping from amazon is kinda pricey.

[spark hatch]

oo nice, what switches?

[unkempt dome]

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/

Check that ... maybe it will be decent shipping

[unkempt dome]

Tecsee purple panda

[spark hatch]

ahh, you like them?

[unkempt dome]

No idea... I'm putting the keycaps on right now

[spark hatch]

ah

[unkempt dome]

Funny thing that the color of the keycaps change the pitch

[spark hatch]

really? woudnt think that would matter

[unkempt dome]

Me neither but it does

[bitter oar]

It depends on structure.

not the color.

How the plastic is thick.

[unkempt dome]

it's the same structure

[bitter oar]

plastic is different.

[unkempt dome]

Same kit, same mold, same build process

[bitter oar]

most manufactoners don’t put same plastic.

ABS, PBT.

[spark hatch]

they're defiantly all pbt

[unkempt dome]

Nope they are double shot pbt so there's the same black plastic in the pink than the black plastic outside of the black

[spark hatch]

they're not gonna just through in a abs

[bitter oar]

Sometimes same manufac puts different plastic into same keycaps with different color.

Might be that.

There are many factors.

also thickness of color.

color, itself won’t make any noise.

[unkempt dome]

the black keycaps have the same pink plastic inside that the pink caps have on the outside

[spark hatch]

no they dont, abs and pbt feel very differnt, they're not gonna get away with that

[unkempt dome]

color don't make noise ... pigment density affect noise most likely

[bitter oar]

i didn’t mean that,

they won’t switch out pbt for abs.

but, pbt sounds generally better.

Less hollow.

[spark hatch]

mhm

[bitter oar]

pigment density?

[spark hatch]

mhm

[unkempt dome]

different pigment are disposed in different density ... at least in natural stuff

[bitter oar]

That works in biology and ultraviolet light.

not this.

[unkempt dome]

and you have studied plastic fabrication extensively I suppose ?

[bitter oar]

Didn’t you just placed the different coloured keycaps into corner and the second one near the middle?

[unkempt dome]

and ...

[bitter oar]

There is very recognizable difference when you press W and A example.

through it’s same switch.

[unkempt dome]

not really

[bitter oar]

Yes.

[unkempt dome]

not as the diffrence between the pink and black keycaps

[bitter oar]

I think that’s why your keycaps makes different sound.

[unkempt dome]

not really cause when I put the black keycaps instead the pitch is lower

[bitter oar]

i had gateron yellow milky custom keyboard, emh the spacebar died.

and i got rage

hmmm

that might be different plastic not pigment.

the coloured might be painted 2 times.

and black just one.

[unkempt dome]

plastic is supposed to be the same

[latent thorn]

I just bought a few keyboards on Facebook marketplace

[bitter oar]

it might be thinner or thicker.

slighly different.

colour doesn’t make any sound.

[unkempt dome]

colour don't make sound ... colour influence the density of stuff

and rigidity

[bitter oar]

first,

Pigment is a thing.

[spark hatch]

nice

[bitter oar]

Black is basicly no colour spectre

they had to make the mixture outa it.

then example white keycaps.

it’s mixture of all R,G,B

Also mix with something like plastic.

It’s not that accurate.

Just, the colour doesn’t change the pitch.

just the mixture.

[unkempt dome]

the pigment that are in the mixture that makes the color

[bitter oar]

ahhh

Visible light.

Not all animals (incluing us) see light.

white is reflection.

black is absorbing.

[unkempt dome]

yes I know that

[bitter oar]

It doesn’t decrease sound pitch bruh.

ask nasa to do this experiment.

[unkempt dome]

how do you make black ...

by putting and assembling all the color pigment to absorb the most light

[bitter oar]

remove R,B,G

no reflection

Not all switches are made equally.

[unkempt dome]

and wouldn't that make black keycaps denser than lighter colored ones

[bitter oar]

light is specific.

turn off your light and what?

Will your switches be both thockier?

Or what

no.

[unkempt dome]

that has nothing to do with the lights on of off

[latent thorn]

Lol I think you both are completely missing the point of the other person's side

[bitter oar]

There is always layer of colour no matter what.

It would ‘t be visible then.

Just transparent.

like glass.

[unkempt dome]

I really don't know what you are talking about ...

[bitter oar]

Remove all pigment.

You will remain with transparent.

something

[latent thorn]

I don't think dr0ybox is talking about color like how we perceive it he is saying the pigments they use to color the plastic could cause it to be different density

[unkempt dome]

you get me

[bitter oar]

yes, but color itself has no density.

[latent thorn]

But dyes do

[bitter oar]

the mixture of the color

[unkempt dome]

color is defined by the pigments in the plastic

[bitter oar]

Visible light is not a thing.

[latent thorn]

Light doesn't matter in this argument

[unkempt dome]

exactly

[bitter oar]

when you see red.

that red color.

Bounces off red color.

[latent thorn]

We are not talking about what you see though

That doesn't matter

[bitter oar]

And absorbs green, blue

I just said not all keycaps are made equally.

the mixtures might be different.

some colors are harder to produce.

[unkempt dome]

and you need more pigments to absorb all color ... therefore making the plastic more dense and changing the sound and how it propagate in the structure ...

[bitter oar]

No pigment, = transparent.

[latent thorn]

I feel like you two are making the same point here

[bitter oar]

no light = dark

[unkempt dome]

no pigment = white

[bitter oar]

what

then what the hell is visible light?

[latent thorn]

Ok I'm out I think you are both wrong but dr0ybox is less wrong

[bitter oar]

Colour itself is pure, not mixed with anything. Pure green, red, blue.

[unkempt dome]

transparent is the resulting of the structure of the material ... like carbon atom from coal align to make diamond with enough pressure and temperature ... the alignment makes it tranparent

[bitter oar]

Light waves cause vibrations in surface atoms, which are either absorbed, transmitted or reflected. Transparency is caused by the transmission of light waves. If the vibrational energy of a light wave is passed through the object, then the object appears clear, or transparent.

White reflects white.

black reflects nothing.

or non-visible light

Vacuum is transparent.

Vacuum cannot absorb or reflect by itself.

never.

the light would travel forever.

until it actually hits something else.

[unkempt dome]

there's not much vacuum in a keycap ...

[bitter oar]

Weren’t we talking about pigment

?

Anyways,

[unkempt dome]

what does that have to do with vacuum tho

[bitter oar]

It’s transparent.

plastic is also transparent.

but much less.

U light can’t pass i think.

There is always something.

Fully transparent means nothing.

As you said, there are crystals that form.

they distract some higher frequincy non-visible light.

Just the thing is it’s not about pigment just about the mixture.

I’m not sure if it’s correct.

It’s hard to explain

This arguing was kinda useless and stupid

[slate lagoon]

Oh, came here for keyboard chat.. Found science chat instead. My bad.

[rich cloud]

After using the same £5 mouse for 7 years and using this £10 keyboard for 3 years. I finally got round to giving myself a great upgrade… here are the before and afters…

IT WAS VERY MUCH NEEDED! 😂

Before…

After!

I'm sure most of you could guess what they are but for the ones that do not.

Mouse: Logitech G502 lightspeed wireless
Keyboard: RK84 (with mx brown switches)

I was under the illusion of "Nah this will do for now, it doesn't make a difference" which is why I put up with the crap peripherals for so long... I was wrong. SO VERY WRONG! Already feels more comfortable and I can already see a skill improvement within games especially with the new mouse's sensor.

I should have done this a long time ago.

[idle zinc]

why mx browns though, any reason behind that?

[worldly shale]

hell yes man congrats on the upgrade!

glad you're happy with the new board; rk makes very good stuff for their budget

[rich cloud]

So this is actually my first mechanical keyboard and of course I needed to do my research to see what was good and what I liked. This is the keyboard I liked the most between aesthetics and features. They came with either mx red, blue or brown. I'm a student so I don't have a HUGE budget so I couldn't just swap the switches (however in the future I may do this which is why I got a hot swappable keyboard for convenience).

Anyway, So I looked at what each switch sounded like because noise was going to be an issue I didn't want to deal with. Blues were an absolute no. Reds were the quietist however the keys didn't appear to be very tactile and looked like they would have the very "mushy" feeling (at least in the videos I saw). Which lead me to pick mx browns. Not as loud as blues but appears more tactile than the reds.

There's the whole story and thought process 😂

[rich cloud]

Thank you!

[worldly shale]

MX browns best switch either way so

[idle zinc]

ohh. if the board only had those switchs, that's the best option if you like tactiles.
Also congrats on the upgrade It's well worth it upgrading to mechanical!

[idle zinc]

Strongly disagrees

[worldly shale]

i joke i joke tis all preference

but they're my favourite when it comes to tactiles

or switches in general

i have scoured the lands far and wide for my ideal switch; tried the budget and the expensive, and in the end i always come back to that nice light tactility with just the right amount of scratch to sound nice but not feel bad

[idle zinc]

i personally hate the sound of MX browns, I mean the newer ones are ok but uh. its scratchy too

[unkempt dome]

I don't like the lack of tactility of brown

And the scratchiness

[idle zinc]

well I like linears alot more

[unkempt dome]

I like tactile more than linear

[idle zinc]

mmm

my goto is alpacas rn..

[unkempt dome]

Never tried alpacas

I just changed the carrot for the purple panda ...

Carrot are about the best linear I tried so far

[idle zinc]

yea carrots are rlly nice but I can't get stock on those

[unkempt dome]

They had a big sale so I got them ...

Got 180 carrot and 180 purple panda ... for 0.04 $ usd ... add 28$ cad of shipping and that's about it

For the price i paid they are pretty good

Also way better than cherry red or gateron yellow

[bitter oar]

Where

[unkempt dome]

amazon.com

[rich cloud]

This is what i'm asking, thats insane

[unkempt dome]

but the sale is long finished now

[slate lagoon]

My Gateron Oil Kings should be here on monday. I was in the same boat and had the choise of red brown and blue as that's what the KB comes with. I went with reds.. and lubed them. But they're just too sensitive and i need something with stronger springs

They're going in my modded RK61 so i cannot wait.

[bitter oar]

Same, i had Asus rog strix scope rx.

The switches were too easy to press.

And i will return it back soon cuz, they gave me one with small SHIFT ley

on imagine it was regular large SHIFT.

And in EU it’s tiny shift.

and small shift is shit.

[latent blaze]

makes complete sense then, congrats on your first keeb! once you (and your wallet) are ready for another upgrade I definitely recommend nice new switches as a good start

mx browns are fine for a first keeb overall tho

[rich cloud]

Thank you, Are there any you would suggest? I like them to be as quiet as possible 😂 but also I think I would like them to have a little resistance.

[hardy quarry]

Anyone got any tips for a keyboard under £100?

Ideally decently quiet, don’t mind size

@ me if you have an answer

[latent blaze]

By resistance do u mean a tactile bump or just more force to push it in?

If you mean the bump thats a tactile, Zilents are the most tactile ‘silent’ switch but are pretty expensive, aeboards naevys are a decent mix of sound and tactility for a low-mid price and theres some gaterons and akko switches that might fit your bill for a more budget switch

If you just want more force without the bump then go for heavy linears, these will have 0 bump but if you get heavier ones, they will have some resistance, you’ll probably want at least 60g actuation force, i dont know as much about linears but gateron ink blacks i hear are good, you can get switch testers for trying out a bunch at a time to find your preferences

[crimson isle]

what is the lightest and heaviest switch 🤔

excl modified that is

anyone can add 1 kg springs

[latent blaze]

Aliaz 100g is pretty heavy, but theres like 280g AliExpress switches so

And then gateron clear i think at like 30g

[spark hatch]

lmao I'd love to try a like 300+g switch just for the laughs

[unkempt dome]

The zeal clickiez when converted to tactile have a 100g tactile bump

[spark hatch]

oh yea I heard that

I'd love to try those if they werent so $$

[bitter oar]

Is gamakay 61 pro good?

with gateron yellow V2

[chrome raft]

budget?

[spark hatch]

i think they said 100

[chrome raft]

oh ok

what about layout then

[chrome raft]

you could buy a decent linear, tactile and clicky switch at the price of 1 clickiez

[spark hatch]

yea

ik

but I'd still love to use them

[chrome raft]

same

[bitter oar]

Back

my budget can be up to $150.

But, less spent means better.

I want good value board

[rich cloud]

I recently got the RK84. It’s rated as one of the best value for money keyboards. Great features, great aesthetics. Great customisation. On Amazon it’s about £80 and I found out that on bang good I think it’s about £50 however I’m not sure how reputable bang good is. Anyway RK84 great keyboard.

[bitter oar]

I’m not sure but,

i hate that thing it has battery.

i want to over-fill it with foam.

[spark hatch]

leopold, durgod, varmillo and akko all make really good value baords

royal kludge is good to

[bitter oar]

i don’t want wireless keyboard.

I will not gonna use wireless option cuz, mostly the BT is too weak.

or bad latency.

I have a question.

[spark hatch]

ok

so look at leopold, durgod, varmillo and akko, they make non wireless options

[bitter oar]

Is asus rog strix scope nx tkl hotswap?

[spark hatch]

dont get an asus board

[bitter oar]

Or Z20

[vale mist]

I bet I could still bottom out

[bitter oar]

Is it hotswap?

[vale mist]

considering I tried pen springs in a switch once

and was able to

[spark hatch]

I prolly could too, im a pretty heavy typer

[spark hatch]

lmao thats genius

[bitter oar]

Guys, which keyboard are hotswap from reasonable brands like asus, evga, corsiar, hyperX, Msi, razer?

[spark hatch]

asus might be the only one, why do you want a large oem boards so bad tho?