peripherals

[ivory heath]

This little ring thing is not doing it

[spark hatch]

oh yea that things not great

[ivory heath]

It's going in the trash when I'm done

Good lord

[spark hatch]

much better

[sweet thunder]

Chad box jade

[ivory heath]

Correct

I ended up bending like..... 6 switches and it was the same pin on all of them lmao

All done. Definitely sounds and feels much better

Actually some resistance for the bump, and a click that isn't mushy

[spark hatch]

yea

[vale grail]

my fav tactile is the everglide dark jade. Best sound in the world. Sharp bump and the entire switch is made of POM. it sounds 😩

[serene cairn]

Help on this?

[spark hatch]

sorry I did see that but im not a linear guy so I dont really know waht are good options

I heard the tecsee carrots were good

[serene cairn]

It's alright mate. You use tactile?

[unkempt dome]

I use tactile too ... don't know much about linear ...

and I can tell you that the carrot are really nice linear ... and I don't like linear

also the shortcircuit about the mountain Everest keyboard ...

when he talks about the keycaps and there's a shot on the keyboard ... the black keycaps remind me a lot of the stock anne pro 2 keycaps ... like the legend is the same and the shortcomings are also the same as on the anne pro 2 ...

kinda strange to see that

[spark hatch]

hmm

I didnt even notice but yea now that you mention it and im looking at it they are pretty simmilar

[unkempt dome]

really uneven

that keyboard was quite pain ...

space stab broke ... had to desolder to repair it

also if the keyboard was plugged on my z97-a motherboard, it would hang before even going to bios ...

like indefinitely until I unplug the keyboard

[spice willow]

How is the Logitech g413 carbon keyboard with romer-g keys for 50 cad?

[unkempt dome]

I paid that anne pro 2 40$ cad ... and it was completely overpriced and utter crap ...

the g413 is way worst than the anne pro 2 ...

[spice willow]

Aight

Could u suggest a good full sized mech keyboard for about 50~60 cad

[unkempt dome]

mostly cause of the romer-g ...

[spice willow]

Need the full sized cause my dad is going to use it aswell and he uses excel a lot ..

[spark hatch]

Double adapter on the usb c lol

[unkempt dome]

it's a micro usb for the gmmk

[spark hatch]

Ah

[unkempt dome]

and the 90 and then micro to c

but I did try the stock cable and some other cables and it was still hanging

[spark hatch]

Ah I see

[unkempt dome]

for the 50$ cad keyboard ... it's not a big budget and there's not much more than some redragon keyboard at that price point brand new

[spark hatch]

Royal kludge makes one I think? Theyre pretty nice budget ootions

[spice willow]

I think royal kludge makes 60 or 65 % keyboards

Not sure

[spark hatch]

They make bigger sizes

[spice willow]

Oh

How’s the steel series apex 3?

[spark hatch]

RK ROYAL KLUDGE RK920 Full Size Mechanical Keyboard, Rainbow Backlit Gaming Keyboard, 104 Keys Wired Mechanical Keyboard with Number Pad, Tactile Brown Switch https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08TVN6M4K/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_2XWZPQJVFSZZS61PVG30?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

[spark hatch]

How much is it again?

[spice willow]

Damn that looks super clean but my mouse and everything else is black so it won’t match 😦

[spice willow]

68 cad

[spark hatch]

What the

RK ROYAL KLUDGE RK925 68 Keys 60% Foldable Mechanical Keyboard with Aluminum Body, Built-in Stand Holder, Wireless Bluetooth Mechanical Keyboard with White Backlit, Low Profile Quiet Red Switches https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B09KTKXD24/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_8KTQH9FBH0PDH0D6TATZ

Folding? Who tf wanted that lmso

[spark hatch]

If I remember it's fine, not amazing not horrible

[unkempt dome]

probably better than the redragon k551

[spice willow]

So should I go for it?

That seems like the only one in my price range

Is there any other better keyboard in that price range

[unkempt dome]

something used

[spice willow]

Dad won’t allow used

[unkempt dome]

then I would suggest to save and get something like a keychron keyboard or an akko keyboard

[spice willow]

Aight thx

[unkempt dome]

your only good option are about the RK when it's on sale and the some redragon

I would sériously get something a bit higher end, you won't regret it

[spice willow]

I was thinking of saving and getting the keychron c2 instead

Is that good?

[unkempt dome]

never tried it but it's reputed to be a really nice entry level keyboard

like for someone starting in that hobby, keychron is the way to go

get the hotswappable version if available

[crimson isle]

the person that wants to fit a keyboard inside of the bottle spot of a backpack maybe?

[left barn]

Within $100

[chrome raft]

Looking for cherry mx red switches that is kinda clean and isn’t too expensive

I’m just looking for a keyboard that is easy to press, not massive travel and not in a 3090 ti price range

[spice willow]

he say's there is a chance of being scammed and the board not working .. and also most used keyboards are kinda dirty and have fingerprints all over them .. also he says that cause of covid he doesnt really wanna take the risk

[chrome raft]

100%

My laptop isn’t 100% keyboard and I find myself missing a few features soooo

[spice willow]

^

100% keyboard ..

depends if u prefer the latter or compact

ig .. also + is it includes hand rest

damn its got a volume wheel

oof

looks clean .. wish they had a black version .. would match my color scheme

[chrome raft]

What switches do they have and

What switch do u reccomend then? Red brown or blue?

[lilac grotto]

Man im glad i bought milky yellows long ago because they feel great

[leaden smelt]

Howdy

my Blackwidow elite broke.... Razor is replacing with the huntsman V2 analog

I hope it doesn't flair my carpal 😕

[scarlet walrus]

what is the best overall gaming keyboard?

need one for a potential new build

[leaden smelt]

everyone is different

look at the differences in switches

[scarlet walrus]

i have already decided i would have brown

tactile but not clicky

[unkempt dome]

there's no overall best

[leaden smelt]

then I would look what keyboards have those type of switches

then compare reviews/features

I had brown type for years

thats what my blackwidow elite was

[scarlet walrus]

is the Logitech G915 lightspeed keyboard good?

[leaden smelt]

I hope the linear optical analog from razer is a decent comparsion

[unkempt dome]

probably not

logitech are usually meh

[scarlet walrus]

my G305 mouse is good and i sorta wanted to pair

i also prefer low profile which G915 has

[leaden smelt]

I'd disagree with that, loved logitechs when I had them. But you need to look up reviews and opions of options

its VERY all over the place

[scarlet walrus]

mm ok

[leaden smelt]

just make sure you get a good return policy if you hate

[scarlet walrus]

ok thx fir suggestion

[unkempt dome]

all gaming brands keyboard are meh

[leaden smelt]

rtings is good resource.... just rely on icognito mode to avoid paywall

[unkempt dome]

you get better hardware if you look elsewhere than gaming brand

[scarlet walrus]

i wonder if NZXT mini TKL is good

[leaden smelt]

not everyone can afford a DAS keyboard, and gaming keyboards are a good middle ground

[unkempt dome]

get a keychron

[leaden smelt]

just gotta look at the quality of the keyboard and not the branding

[unkempt dome]

or akko

[scarlet walrus]

ok

[unkempt dome]

or durgod

or leopold

or varmilo

[leaden smelt]

See... differing opinions haha

[scarlet walrus]

my main choice for branding is the fact i can use same software for both

[leaden smelt]

See some people LOVE TKL (10 key less), but I can't stand it

[unkempt dome]

all those I listed have better products than gaming brand for the same price or less

[leaden smelt]

software for keyboards is kinda meh all over the place

[scarlet walrus]

i don't care about numpad too much

[leaden smelt]

steelseries seems to have the best software

[scarlet walrus]

mm

[leaden smelt]

corsair the worst, and razer kinda in the middle

[scarlet walrus]

ROG?

[leaden smelt]

Don't know enough to state

[scarlet walrus]

kk

[leaden smelt]

I've owned logitech, corsair, SS and Razer

[scarlet walrus]

alr thx anyway

[scarlet walrus]

which one the best?

in ur opinion?

[unkempt dome]

owned razer, corsair and logitech

[leaden smelt]

They are all good brands, look at the features you want and the budget

[unkempt dome]

I can say that they are overpriced for what you get

[leaden smelt]

then google is your friend for reviews

[leaden smelt]

Pricing can be redic

I paid 85 for my blackwidow elite, and that was a fair price

and thats being replaced with a free huntsman v2 analog....

[unkempt dome]

I paid 60 for my blackwiddow and I still think it's overpriced for the quality of the board

[leaden smelt]

for a normal one I agree, elite was nice

[scarlet walrus]

Gotta go now thx anyway bye

[unkempt dome]

all in all get keychron, royal kludge or akko and you'll get a way better product for less money

[leaden smelt]

I had a logitch G710+, it felt nice but I don't need macro keys and was far too huge

I have Corsair mechanical on my lenovo, and its ok.... and my wife has Steelseries on her MSI lappy and its far superior in the laptop kb space

I'm just terrified I'm going to get a relative dud with this razer huntsman analog... and gonna need to shell out for a better keyboard with tactile/clicky switches

[spark hatch]

I have one and like it, only real complaint is it's acoustics arnt amazing

[spark hatch]

No it's bad

[spark hatch]

It's not

[scarlet walrus]

Ok

[spark hatch]

What size did you want?

And if you want lowprofile keychron has some nice options for lowprofile

[modest creek]

low profile is weird to me

Are all Keychrons low pro's wireless?

[rare crown]

My keyboard weights 1.2kg

[leaden smelt]

my current keyboard is a k360

since my razer broke

[spark hatch]

I'm pretty sure yea

[thick crescent]

Are there any other mechanical keyboards out there besides the crappy one short circuit showed off, that have had the somehow ingenious idea of having a wheel on the left side of the board instead of the right

[rare crown]

yes

[rapid rune]

Is there a way to reconfigure keys on a ducky keyboard? I just realized I need quick access to f keys in my favourite game, and I were thinking something along the lines of having a profile where the number keys work as f keys, without having to hold an extra button, so that when I need my f keys for the game I can swap profile and have a functioning f bar

[slate lagoon]

is there not a way to lock the function key or switch between different functions altogether?

[rapid rune]

In game or on the ducky keyboard? I haven't gotten the keyboard yet, however I might've found a solution.

[slate lagoon]

on the keyboard. With mine i can press Fn + Ctrl and the top row goes over to F keys instead of number keys. I press it again I then get all the function keys instead.

I'd look at the manual before getting it. Should say in there about function keys.

[rapid rune]

Thanks! 😄

[amber dock]

my keyboard is so sexy

it uses audio to change the colours

[swift forge]

Your luck is better than my algebra homework skills

[slate lagoon]

Ah yeah my office RGB does that. For the past 8 years or so.

[silent oyster]

Uuuuhhhh Razer is pretty f*cking bad

[silent oyster]

Agreed that's easily Ducky/Keychron money

[unkempt dome]

Not here

Cad ... remember

Ducky and keychron are like 100 to 150 car ... Q lineup are about 260 to 290

[leaden smelt]

Agreed... Corsair is really horrid though

Owning both I had corsair temp brick a laptop keyboard misidentifing a model

[amber dock]

overpriced pieces of shit

other than their mouses, the mouses are pretty damn good

and mics

[spice willow]

how's the keychron k4 v2?

[lilac grotto]

Good iirc

[spark hatch]

its good

[lilac grotto]

Should i go for MA caps or XDA caps if i wanta deep sound for my keeb?

[spark hatch]

what ever you like more I wouldnt value sound over comfort

[lilac grotto]

Never got a chance to use any other caps except oem

And laptop if you count that

[spark hatch]

the taller and deeper the keycap the deeper sounding it'll be

[lilac grotto]

Makes sense

Good thing its 1 dollar extra for ma caps

[worldly bronze]

Keyboard

[heavy night]

when will logitech release new keyboards in their g lineup

[silent oyster]

Who knows but in the meantime check out more brands like Ducky, Varmilo, the works. MechanicalKeyboards.com is your friend, there’s lots better out there (especially for the money) than Logitech/Corsair/Razer/Steelseries/other generic “gaming” brand

[heavy night]

I'm stuck In a software ecosystem

[ionic briar]

what are you using g hub for?

[slate lagoon]

I thought I was also, turns out life is much better when you go for other things.

[heavy night]

Rgb light sync 😂

[slate lagoon]

And for most things the software doesn't need to be running for them to remember the RGB settings. I've got Corsair Fans, Aorus GPU and Mobo, Glorious Mouse and Royal Kludge keyboard.. and they all have the same syle of lighting one was or another so everything matches regardless.

[ionic briar]

hmm okay
does your stuff supported by programs like openrgb or signalrgb

[heavy night]

idk I have a g915 and g903

[analog wyvern]

Hi guys

My custom Kokomi keycaps is just arrived

Waiting for my switches too atm

[crimson isle]

why keep on all the stickers

[regal knot]

anyone uses a keyboard switch with a long stem here?

do you guys use it on the spacebar?

[ionic briar]

wdym by long stem?

[regal knot]

the pole

i'm testing out the different between the outemu black and akko cs rose red on the spacebar

[ionic briar]

so the likes of huskies and whatnot?

[regal knot]

something like that

[ionic briar]

well why cant you?

[regal knot]

my akko cs rose red have long pole stem which makes my spacebar more "poppy"

but i dunno if is it just me or personal preference

[ionic briar]

prob personal preference

[regal knot]

i see

[ionic briar]

whether you like a sound or not is subjective

[regal knot]

i want to test out some other switches that doesn't have the long pole stem

i find it more quiet when i tested out some outemu reds

but those switches ain't mine

there are other linear switches from akko, right?

[ionic briar]

yea
but they are more or less the same thing with different spring weight and spring profile (progressive and what not)

?

[regal knot]

hmmm

lemme check their website (if my internet can handle the "LTE" internet)

Ok, so the Akko Rose Red and Radiant Red are long pole stem switches based on their total travel

others are not

welp, anything that is linear without the long pole stem but not heavy (50g+) goes into my list

[unkempt dome]

Carrot have long pole ...

What seems to be the problem with the spacebar ?

[ionic briar]

i would say pbt
rubber might feel very gross after a while

also what the fuck there is a rubber keycap?

[regal knot]

With the Outemu Black, the sound is balanced for me. When I use my Akko Rose Red with the long pole stem it's a bit noisy for my taste.

[unkempt dome]

well that's just the sound signature of the switch most likely

the pink spacebar I use have a high pitch compared to the stock black one ... both came with the kit

[regal knot]

it's kinda poppy

[unkempt dome]

probably putting some foam under the stab will help there

[regal knot]

but my keyboard has all of the akko rose red, except the spacebar with the outemu black

it's modded with tape and pe foam

[unkempt dome]

well I don't know

I never cared much about sound to mod anything unless there's rattle

[floral drum]

Are here any gamers using ortholinear keyboards?

[swift forge]

macro programming here

which is basically only functional on G HUB

[swift forge]

I have a G815 and Pro X Superlight, as well as a G502 and G102

[swift forge]

I see either a heavily modded Razer Viper Ultimate or Razer Deathadder V2 Pro

[spark hatch]

Via and gmk exist and personally I think they do it way better

[swift forge]

for macOS?

[spark hatch]

save profiles then

[swift forge]

I don't have a single Windows device in my household

nor Linux if that's what you're thinking, and I have virtually no room for Kali

or Ubuntu

[spark hatch]

dont they have via for macos?

[silent oyster]

So uuh what games do you play XD

[swift forge]

I have a 256GB boot drive thats got 3/4 of its storage expended

and on macOS, its mostly schoolwork

since most AAA and popular titles on Windows can't be played because macOS or of my shitty hardware

1.4Ghz Intel Core i5 8257U, DDR3 2133Mhz RAM, Intel Iris Plus Graphics 645

[swift forge]

a brand's own software works best with its own gear, compared to a third party app controlling it which could lead to software issues and code clashing

[spark hatch]

What?

[chrome raft]

press x to doubt

[spark hatch]

That doesn't really have anything to do with what I was saying but alr

[swift forge]

I'm just trying to say, I don't trust CIA or whatever its called

[spark hatch]

What's wrong with via?

[swift forge]

G HUB is a RAM hog, but the custom profiles I save on those mean I can ditch the app afterwards

[spark hatch]

You can do the exact same thing on via but via isn't a ram hog and doesn't run in the background

[swift forge]

I see

but no battery indicator for my Pro X Superlight

which is tied to the app

[spark hatch]

Ok

[unkempt dome]

What a shit way to force people to have the software installed

[swift forge]

True

[spark hatch]

I can't get ghub to save on device either but it's supposed too

Tried with g502 hero, g705, and g305

I don't really like software

The less the better

It works with alot of boards but mainly on higher end enthusiast boards

And no it's an app

[swift forge]

onboard memory, it only stores shortcuts not lighting

[spark hatch]

Idc about lighting

It won't save dpi's tho

[swift forge]

Well I know for sure not saving either RGB or macro settings on the G815 in G-HUB has been an ongoing problem

[swift forge]

it does

[ionic briar]

i believe old LGS does save lighting effect as well

[spark hatch]

Ik it's supposed to, it doesn't work for me

[swift forge]

but only static DPI settings, unless you have DPI up/down configured

[spark hatch]

I have one DPI setting and it's 1100 but it's not 1100 when I go to use it

[swift forge]

happens on keyboards for sure

the G705 I've never heard of, sorry

[spark hatch]

Idc about it tho, don't use logictech anymore

[swift forge]

preferences preferences

[spark hatch]

Mhm

[swift forge]

G-HUB finally fixed an update where the launcher would stop at 99% unless you did a manual fix that I was lucky enough to find on Reddit

I guess me reaching out to live chat support helped, when I got my G102 last year

because thats exactly what happened

[spark hatch]

Nice

[swift forge]

the app still does weird things though, it duplicates every time I boot my MacBook Pro after logout and restarts

and the other icon of the app is nonfunctional, and my default RGB lighting profile clones itself 20 times when I open the dropdown menu

[lilac dock]

You guys want to see my keyboard?

[spark hatch]

sure

[lilac dock]

Here

[spark hatch]

yikes what did you do to keycaps?

[lilac dock]

Rgb lmao

[spark hatch]

lmaooo n i c e

[lilac dock]

Ye

[spark hatch]

yea I get it now xd

[lilac dock]

Lmao

[unkempt dome]

Worked well with my g305

[unkempt dome]

Totally

[spark hatch]

yea I've heard its worked quite well for other people, just me

[unkempt dome]

Ghub is a shit software ... work half the time at best

[analog wyvern]

No, its actually a Deathadder V2 Pro

But Genshin Edition

[heavy night]

can i make my keyboard charge by usb c 👿

[swift forge]

I see, I guessed the latter since the side buttons are distinct and it had a fairly high body

[spark hatch]

you can

[swift forge]

probably a limited colour scheme though so I didn't spot it

[heavy night]

tell me how

[swift forge]

My mind went schizophrenia mode thinking someone would mod a mouse with soldered buttons

[spark hatch]

depending on the board it can be tricky but it is possibility

[heavy night]

its a g915

[swift forge]

[spark hatch]

eh

[heavy night]

tkl

[spark hatch]

its tricky

do you know how to micro solder?

[heavy night]

no

[swift forge]

just made the whole procedure harder

if it was a larger board I'd bet the charging wiring and circuitry would be easier to deal with

since the surface area of that would be larger

[heavy night]

WHY DONT they JUST use usb c

[swift forge]

It's micro-USB because the latch is proprietary

[heavy night]

can i do the same to my g903 mouse

[swift forge]

and I believe the older standard charges faster

[spark hatch]

logitch is terrible thats why

[swift forge]

technology implemented making the PCB smaller, thinner etc means 99.9 recurring % you'll fail

and I'm pretty sure Logitech engineers designed it to be irreparable

[heavy night]

io have 2 weeks to return the mouse and keyboard

[swift forge]

just lasting longer without needing one

[swift forge]

just because it charges via micro-USB?

[heavy night]

idk they might come up with a new keybaord and its way better and cahrged with usb c

[swift forge]

they are a good board, if you don't count the professional typist's Ducky, Wooting etc company boards

[heavy night]

g917 tkl

or smth

[swift forge]

I mean the only top-end Logitech G apparel that is USB-C charged is the Logitech Pro X LIGHTSPEED wireless headset

though their entire range of headsets in the G series are as well

apart from perhaps the older G635, G935, etc

[spark hatch]

id look into keychron if you're gonna return the g915

its a much better lowprofile

[heavy night]

it only connects by bluetooth, motherboard doesnt support it

[swift forge]

keypress latency issues but those aren't particularly bothersome if you're not competitive in any game

[swift forge]

isn't the G915 receiver wireless?

[heavy night]

yeah

[swift forge]

how does it only connect via BT then

[heavy night]

2.4 ghz donglle

[swift forge]

^

[heavy night]

in using that littloe dongle to connect

keychron doesnt have that

[swift forge]

oh oh oh I need dopamine my mind struggles to keep up with energy requirements

[swift forge]

no competitive gameplay

BT latency is quite high

[heavy night]

my motherboard doesnt support bluetooth bro

i didnt connect it with bluetooth

[swift forge]

[heavy night]

i connected it with the dongle

[spark hatch]

is wireed an option?

[swift forge]

I know, I know

[heavy night]

what the hell do you want then

[swift forge]

the G915 TKL is a good buy once you have it, the price is a bit excessive

[heavy night]

i got it for 150$

[swift forge]

but when you own it and get used to it, sweet deal

esp with linear switches

[swift forge]

USD? decent pricing

[heavy night]

yep usd

[swift forge]

thats around $300 in my country, NZ - high-end gaming board pricing

the micro-USB charging is a bit but at least you still have a replacement - I'm sure your G903 came with one too

[heavy night]

i wish it supported wireless charging like the mice do

a big gaming mouse pad that charges all your peripherals

[swift forge]

the wattage requirements would be much higher than distributing micro-waves of electricity can meet

because from the description of PowerPlay that I read, the charging works by diffusing an electromagnetic field across the mousepad that comes with the charging dock

and those are absorbed by the PowerPlay magnets in wireless Logitech G mice

functioning as charging 🎉

however I'm sure that keyboard charging has been considered, and the electromagnetic field's density on prototype keyboard chargers is probably enough to harm the body adversely

[spark hatch]

.

[swift forge]

especially at close range

[heavy night]

no

i dontwant wired

[spark hatch]

75% an option?

[swift forge]

hard to get used to the layout ngl

[heavy night]

sure

[spark hatch]

no its not, atleast for me but ok

its the same as tkl without the spaceing

[swift forge]

just mentally fractures my left brain hemisphere

though sure, its a good option

[heavy night]

thinking of getting a wireless headset too

to get that ecossystem

[spark hatch]

had no issues swaping to 75% personally, andn if you dont you eventually get used to it

[swift forge]

this is my ideal setup:

Mouse - wireless
keyboard - wireless but with wired option
headset - wired/wireless depending on kb config

wired headsets have better boom mics, thats confirmed

[heavy night]

is powerplay worth it

[swift forge]

and their audio accuracy and latency figures are sometimes better than wireless, depending on how high-end it is

[spark hatch]

https://drop.com/buy/keydous-nj80-barebones-bluetooth-rgb-hot-swappable-keyboard

https://iqunix.store/collections/80-series

[swift forge]

depends on how much you have to spend and the number of logitech peripherals you have

[spark hatch]

if you want lowprofile nuphy air is good

[swift forge]

though the latter depends on the mousepad choice you make buying PowerPlay

[spark hatch]

https://nuphy.com/products/air75?variant=39572216119405

[swift forge]

wireless mouse + kb + headset = charging disaster

[spark hatch]

not really

[swift forge]

with powerplay you don't have to worry about the mouse, but

[spark hatch]

never had any issues

[swift forge]

yea true, they don't have the same battery life

[spark hatch]

charge the mouse weekly, kb monthly, and headset daily

[swift forge]

some might require a charge earlier or later so you don't need to charge two or more simultaneously

[spark hatch]

once you have them for abit you get into a rythm of how long everything lasts

[swift forge]

reverse kb and mouse around for Logitech G peripherals, my Logitech Pro X Superlight has lasted me 4 weeks

[heavy night]

is logitech gonna be releasing a new keyboard soon

g917 tkl?

[swift forge]

a new G502 mouse is coming out

wireless and lighter

its called the G502 X or something

[spark hatch]

well for me my g915 would last a month and my 703 would last a week

[swift forge]

35 hour battery rating on the G703

[heavy night]

do you hav e rgb off or something

[swift forge]

72 hour battery rating for Superlight

[spark hatch]

had it for a long time

[swift forge]

that as well :p

[spark hatch]

since launch, prolly pretty bad battery degredation

[swift forge]

yea, deterioration of charge retention capability

[heavy night]

is g935 a worth it headset

does it use lightspeed wireless

[swift forge]

not really tbh

[spark hatch]

also I used rgb on mouse so that doesnt help

[swift forge]

yes it does use lightspeed wireless

but its bulky, and has shit battery life

the mic is bad too

[heavy night]

g pro x wireless?

[swift forge]

a good choice, mic is still bad but blue voice improves it slighly

sound profile is also pretty balanced

[spark hatch]

idk shit about audio, I juse use my soundcore liberty 3's

[swift forge]

and G HUB gives you like 10 EQ presets

for different game genres, music, streaming etc

both audio and voice

sound isolation is bad though so be careful where you use it

[heavy night]

i currently have a hyper x stinger 😂

40$ headse

[swift forge]

get the HyperX Cloud Orbit S

actually don't I don't want you becoming a beggar within mere hours

its expensive af, planar magnetic 100mm drivers

requires a battery and wired connection to work

too powerful

[heavy night]

?

[swift forge]

yes

the earcups are chunky because of a battery housing in them

and it requires the batteries to be charged as well as a wired connection

[ionic briar]

well its a cheaper audeze mobius, what do you want?

[heavy night]

134 dollars here

[swift forge]

at least, it uses USB-C charging

[heavy night]

pretty sure thats the wired version

[swift forge]

so you're safe, kos

[swift forge]

THERE IS NO WIRELESS

[heavy night]

ohhh

134 dollars, thats not bad

[swift forge]

I just told you, this thing requires both a battery and wires

because of 100mm drivers in them

[heavy night]

how 😂

oh

[swift forge]

twice the size of 50mm in Logitech's Pro X lightspeed wireless

and its planar magnetic audio which is basically shooting magnetic waves in your ears to produce sound

constant power supply necessary for powering the magnetic waves formation, wired connection to hear the audio

[swift forge]

if you can snag it, get it at all costs if you like a little headset with 3D audio, surround sound, head tracking tech, 100mm drivers, mic and driver volume adjustment knobs

plus the earcups aren't excessively large so you can use it on the go so long as a smart thief doesn't see the hyperx logo and mug you of it

[heavy night]

only bad thing: its not wireless

i hate wires

[swift forge]

the audio is more than worth it

you'll like wires better after that, I can promise

and its a single wire; you have a wireless kb and mouse already

memory foam earcups too

[heavy night]

is it a long wire

[swift forge]

you can tie it

with the clips included

[ionic briar]

I mean theres the penrose

[swift forge]

lets move this to #audio-tech before mods kick in

[swift forge]

true, but leakage ratings are worse and I'm sure kos is used to HyperX NGENUITY

[slender gazelle]

Anyone got any tips for buying a new keyboard?

(Pls @ me if you got an answer)

[ionic briar]

open your scope from the household "gaming" brand and explore other options that you might have not heard about
stuff like leopold, durgod, varmillo, keychron
they focus on the stuff that makes the keyboard a keyboard, not the bs marketing that comes with it

[slender gazelle]

Yea I was thinking abt that but didn’t know where to look. Thnx for the advice.

Yea I’m not gunna blow £120 on a razor keyboard

[slender gazelle]

Any specific one of those you’d specifically recommend?

[ionic briar]

whats your requirements?
like whats your preferred size, switch type and what not?

[slender gazelle]

Size I don’t mind really

Tactile but quiet switches ideally

Something that’s easy to type with

Ideally <£120 but if there’s something that’s worth spending extra on I don’t really mind, budget is quite flexible.

[ionic briar]

you want membrane level of quiet?
stuff that sounds something like this?https://youtu.be/yWQdeph9zc8?t=17

[slender gazelle]

I don’t need it that quiet but I don’t mind as long is it’s not obnoxious.

Currently mine is like this

[ionic briar]

interesting, whats your current keyboard?

[slender gazelle]

ADX optical mechanical keyboard, it’s got some cheap Chinese red switches in it

I got it for rly cheap

It’s kinda hard to type fast with

[ionic briar]

because its too sensitive or its because it doesnt provide you with any responses?

[slender gazelle]

Too sensitive, too tight springs (imo at least), and the ridges on the edges of the keycaps are a bit too high.

It’s also rly linear.

[ionic briar]

i see
also you are rocking the us ansi layout or the uk iso?

[slender gazelle]

Uk iso I think

Although I had the US ansi layout on my old laptop so I’m kinda used to both.

[ionic briar]

https://www.keychron.uk/products/keychron-q2-qmk-custom-mechanical-keyboard?variant=42332597190826|
this is 160 pounds, but a very nice hefty alu case

[slender gazelle]

What switches should I go for?

[ionic briar]

the brown
tho you could choose the barebone version and pick your own switches and keycaps to go with the board

[slender gazelle]

Ight thnx soooooo much for your help, you’ve narrowed this down a lot for me.

[vale mist]

the design is nice but the insert key is just odd since it isn't level with the backspace

[ionic briar]

Thats where the knob is on the knob version so they just reuse it for the non knob

[spark hatch]

Doesn't it have a knob version?

Yea

It does look alittle off but it doesn't bother me

[vale mist]

yea definitely looks better with the knob

[spark hatch]

yea

[leaden smelt]

Yup getting the huntsman v2 analog for a free razer replacement/upgrade/downgrade from the blackwidow elite

[swift forge]

have fun figuring out what "Analog" does, it'll benefit you if Razer doesn't make the switches crap

[leaden smelt]

Meh, won't use the function

[leaden smelt]

Considering ratings have it top teir and they say while analog is gimmicky it works... I'm not too concerned about treating it like linear switches

Unfortunately my blackwidow elite is end of life and at least with this I can pawn it if i hate it for my original purchase price of the blackwidow (85) if I love the huntsman, it's a 250 (150 on sale max) for 85 basically

[swift forge]

POV they are linear

which is what enables the analog function

[leaden smelt]

Lol exactly. Don't care about analog

[latent blaze]

lookin for some low profile tactile switches, ideally quiet with a strong bump

[spark hatch]

Look at keychrons options

[latent blaze]

tried gateron LP browns and i dont like em

[unkempt dome]

there's not many low profiles switches ... I know about gateron and kailh shock

That's about it

[shut flame]

pulsar pcmk 60%, hand lubed matcha greens and tape modded

[spark hatch]

nicee

[spark hatch]

get hot swap version and put in your own switches then, not many lowprofile options out there.

[thin roost]

can i lube keyboard stabalizers with vaseline?

[ionic briar]

i would say no
the plastic part of the stabs would be degraded just like a switch do

[thin roost]

what can I use then

As a cheap alternative

[unkempt dome]

dielectric grease can be used on stabs

[boreal rivet]

superlube dielectric is what everyone used back then

205g0 is not a must

[unkempt dome]

I would not use dielectric grease in switches tho ... it's really thick and would be too easy to put too much there and make the switch feel strange

[zenith swallow]

Is the Rk61 red switches good?

[spark hatch]

It's fine

[bitter oar]

https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-K631-Hot-Swappable-Mechanical-Dedicated/dp/B09R4KB836/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=XT4WLQ1QI3VT&keywords=Redragon+k631&qid=1650307376&sprefix=redragon+k63%2Caps%2C157&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzT0g3NVM5Mkc5SDZRJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNDQzMjE5OEo2N1U1VVlRWTVUJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA2NzMxMjgxVjVENlJETTRJQzAmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

Is this good?

For $47

5/3pin hot swap, ABS- double shot keycaps, fake outemu red.

[quartz island]

Are the Akko jelly blacks still good for gaming?

I can’t get the speed silvers rn

[spark hatch]

All switches are good for gaming

But yes jelly blacks are alr

[quartz island]

Speed silvers are not available for the uk sadly

[spark hatch]

ok

there is no switch that is really better for gaming, it doesnt really matter

[unkempt dome]

outemu are not fake tho ... it's a legit brand that makes some good switches

[bitter oar]

No,

I mean.

Fake outemu.

ik it’s not fake brand.

But the switches are ripoff of outemu.

[vale mist]

then just say fake reds

[bitter oar]

it’s very similiar to outemu red.

[vale mist]

all of the clones came from the original cherry design, just improved

[bitter oar]

ikr

[spark hatch]

mhm

[bitter oar]

khail is not improved.

[unkempt dome]

those are outemu tho

[bitter oar]

i think redragon buys switches from huano company.

HUANO switches.

[vale mist]

in terms of gateron they improved it, for the other clones you could say they improved the price tag

[bitter oar]

ye, gaterons better.

i can’t say same thing about khail.

[unkempt dome]

my redragon came with outemu

[bitter oar]

that keyboard i’m buying comes with huano ones.

anyways,

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard-Passthrough/dp/B08R6D148D/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1YUOC55FNZXCZ&keywords=Asus%2Brog%2Bstrix%2Bscope&qid=1650314144&sprefix=asus%2Brog%2Bstrix%2Bscop%2Caps%2C179&sr=8-3&th=1

I found this for $82

[spark hatch]

no

[vale mist]

ye no

[bitter oar]

not good?

[unkempt dome]

meh

[bitter oar]

Why

[vale mist]

for one it's optical
the only really good board I could recommend that's optical is the wooting one/two, and that's discontinued

and Asus boards are just not good in general

[bitter oar]

it’s at significan’t discount.

[spark hatch]

ok

[bitter oar]

in my country it’s $115

i’m not sure.

[spark hatch]

its still not good

[bitter oar]

i can get it for $82

Can you recommend me something better?

[vale mist]

check if these brands are available in your region
leopold, durgod, varmillo, keychron

[unkempt dome]

the redragon previously posted most likely

[vale mist]

far better than the asus

[unkempt dome]

ducky one 3

[bitter oar]

keychron is better than asus. But, idk about varmillo and etc.

Keychron is kinda pricey.

[unkempt dome]

varmilo is solid

and so is durgod

[bitter oar]

ducky one 3 is out of stock.

or it cost like $200 in ebay.

[vale mist]

keychron is only pricy if you're looking at the q series

[bitter oar]

Oh, $100

[unkempt dome]

akko

[vale mist]

their c series is quite budget friendly

[bitter oar]

C1 is $105 in my region.

[vale mist]

is that including shipping?

[bitter oar]

no

What’s wrong with asus board/s?

expect for lack of hot swap. And keycap-swap?

[vale mist]

low quality gaming trash

[bitter oar]

Why

[unkempt dome]

everything is sub par ...

mostly everyone does it better for the same or lower price

[bitter oar]

I got asus mice M3 for $12 and it’s solid.

7 000 dpi.

[unkempt dome]

can't compare mouse and keyboard

[bitter oar]

Disadvantage is the stiff cable.

[unkempt dome]

razer does nice mouse ... shit keyboard

[bitter oar]

Then which brand is good?

[unkempt dome]

akko does nice keyboard ... pretty sure their mouse are not the greatest

it was already mentioned

if you want a gaming brand absolutely ... ducky, glorious, then steel series

[bitter oar]

i don’t have enough money for akko.

[vale mist]

that list I gave has all of the best brands in terms of quality and budget

[bitter oar]

$95 + $17 shipping

ik, nice keycaps.

hot swap.

[unkempt dome]

akko keycaps are great, thick double shot pbt ... nice color profile too

better than the ones on the durgod fusion I have

better than the ones on the kemove snowfox too

[bitter oar]

I know, but it’s $30 more than the rog.

including shipping,

also, when it breaks the refund shit will be stressy and long.

[unkempt dome]

way worth it tho

[vale mist]

just save up a little bit longer

[bitter oar]

Yeah, but what about refunds.

i haven’t bought anything from amazon yet.

if the PCB stops working.

it’s gonna be hell sending from EU to US.

[vale mist]

lemme ask this real quick for the keychron
were you looking at the price on keychron website?

[bitter oar]

i’m not on keychron.

The shipment is $27

[unkempt dome]

akko is based in china

shipping doesn't take that long

[bitter oar]

idk, the redragon or asus..

[spark hatch]

I'd save for a keychron or akko board

asus def not that things hot garbage

[unkempt dome]

or a varmilo ... their board are so beautiful

[spark hatch]

mhm

[unkempt dome]

last I checked you could customized one on their website

[bitter oar]

Why asus is hot garbage.

just what’s the biggest con i don’t know?

it’s at 35% discount

[unkempt dome]

non standard bottom row, abs keycaps most of the time, weird switches or cherry switches

[spark hatch]

bad build quility, over priced, no hot swap, optical switch (pretty meh), pretty bad software in my experience

[spark hatch]

ok and?

[bitter oar]

My comes with custom rx ones.

[vale mist]

so?

[unkempt dome]

optical ...

bleh

[bitter oar]

Ikr, it’s kinda gimmick

[spark hatch]

also that

[bitter oar]

Bad build quality?

[spark hatch]

they'er pretty bendy

not very sturdy

[vale mist]

the only optical board that is really even worth mentioning is the wooting one/two, and that's a big exception

[bitter oar]

I agree that tuf is very bad build quality.

but, ROG is oposite.

more targetted at looks.

[vale mist]

it's the same company

[bitter oar]

Than performance

[unkempt dome]

nah ... not compared to actually good keyboard

[bitter oar]

ikr.

but, the build quality is oposite.

Tuf vs Rog

[unkempt dome]

also aura sync suck

[spark hatch]

mhm

[bitter oar]

Nah, it’s okay’ish

[spark hatch]

dont get the asus its bad

[bitter oar]

i’d rate it 5/10

[unkempt dome]

aura makes my gf games crash ....

[spark hatch]

no, no its not. via is wayy better

its buggy aswell

[bitter oar]

My issue with aura is.

I had to re-download it.

Cuz, i got it pre-installed.

And i was not able to download it.

the second was,

lack of features.

[unkempt dome]

I don't have issue with aura ... cause I don't have any asus product ...

[bitter oar]

average cpu usage for software.

[unkempt dome]

best way to never have issue with aura

[bitter oar]

i have asus gpu, mobo, monitor, mouse, psu.

all of them have minor, mediocre cons.

[unkempt dome]

on my gf system it's the second most heavy thing that runs in the background ... only a little bit behind Icue

[bitter oar]

nothing severe.

the monitor is wobbly.

psu makes weird clicking sound when turned on or off.

[unkempt dome]

cause asus makes good psu, mobo, gpu and mouse

[bitter oar]

only one click.

[unkempt dome]

well okish mouse

[spark hatch]

the'yer mice are fine

[bitter oar]

gpu has moderate issue.

[spark hatch]

nothing special

but fine

[bitter oar]

it’s very loud.

[spark hatch]

my gpu's fine

[bitter oar]

the temps are under 80c which is ok.

Mice has stiff cable.

[unkempt dome]

it's not because a company makes good psu and mouse that they can make good keyboard

[bitter oar]

Mobo no issue at all.

[spark hatch]

has some coil wine under load but that depends on what parts that gpu is paired with

[unkempt dome]

they makes good mobo and really bad mobo

[bitter oar]

my psu has 0% coil-whine

[unkempt dome]

like any companies

[bitter oar]

i’d rate 8.5/10 asus

really not better company for the price.

mice for $12.

the rtx 3060ti for 620€ from asus were the cheapest.

I’m not sure about the keyboard.

[unkempt dome]

their keyboard are not good

there's better options there for the price ... and it's not because it's on sale that it makes it good

[bitter oar]

I wanted the redragon but,

No F keys.

And no ps

Redragon is $66~ including VAT+Shipment

Asus is $84 including Shipment (no vat)

idkkk

[bitter oar]

the switches are most stable.

[spark hatch]

whos are?

[bitter oar]

Asus’s

[spark hatch]

mmm

I cant say I agree

[bitter oar]

it’s specially attached

[spark hatch]

what is?

the switchs?

thats not really a good thing, you generally want the switches to come out

[bitter oar]

Not that.

It looks like car lifter inside the switch.

[swift forge]

their innovation is astounding, hotswappable switches and all but click latency issues and whatnot

[swift forge]

keyboards are decent now that they have gen 2 optical switches, although mechs still suffer switch failure

their mice are pretty nice though

not as good as logitech

[spark hatch]

razer boards are still bad im sorry lmao

[swift forge]

for the gateron aficionado and long-time varmillo user, sure

that would make sense after having a cream-of-the-crop typing experience on boards made exactly for proper typing

gaming boards probably have dope switches for WASD and macro keys but everything else is average quality

[umbral comet]

i dont see a mice channel so ill ask here, im trying to get a new mouse for my windows pc i currently i use a magic mouse for my mbp any good ones for windows?

[swift forge]

and they have all the bells and whistles like media keys, high af polling rate built into the board itself

[spark hatch]

wdym "dope" switches? they're all the same "gaming:" bao;rds just use high actuation switches for marketing

[spark hatch]

prolly a logitch or razer mouse

[swift forge]

WASD reinforced heavily, other keys lacklustre quality

[spark hatch]

but idrk

[spark hatch]

I doubt that but ok

[swift forge]

Macs can use gaming mice from Logitech, Corsair, Steelseries

just a heads up

because their controller software is compatible

[umbral comet]

oh im trying to get one for my windows pc

[swift forge]

I see

then you're open to all others, like Roccat, glorious, Fnatic (software bad though since its still a beta), Xtrfy, Razer, HyperX, Finalmouse (no software)

and Pwnage though these are small companies not too widely known

Razer, Roccat, and HyperX are big ones though

[umbral comet]

ah alright ill look into those

thanks for the advice!

[swift forge]

Xtrfy, Pwnage and Finalmouse have no software btw

Logitech is pretty good in terms of build quality and features but no 8000hz polling rate, optical switches or any personal innovation

Razer innovates really well, though pretty much all their products spew RGB

Corsair mice.... their feet are inferior

Steelseries suffer sensor inconsistencies, HyperX has high click latency

I mean all of these have their pros and cons but at the end of the day its just preference

[unkempt dome]

Never heard of a board from gaming company with different switches for wasd than the rest of the keyboard ... and if they do they will put something like speed silver which will makes it even worst

[swift forge]

Razer Blackwidow V3 Hyperspeed, switches on the left side are louder than the right, and feel different

that is, the review model that RTINGS got

and it happened with Hardware Canucks too, the reviewer with the Razer Huntsman V2 TKL experienced similar with left side switches having a different acoustic tone than the right

when pressed

the left side was louder than the right

[shrewd knot]

finally reached 100+ wpm after using only 4 fingers for 10+ years and switching to homerow 2 weeks ago

[strange sand]

lmfaoo bro my friend got 150wpm

on a chromebook

[bitter oar]

I got nitro.

For free

[unkempt dome]

Acoustic doesn't mean shit tho ... can just be the internals or the board under the pcb

And I'm pretty sure it's still shit anyway

[bitter oar]

Is asus rog strix scope good?

$82

I have two options,

Redragon k631 or Rog scope with rx switches

[unkempt dome]

Redragon

Just cause it's hotswap

[bitter oar]

Redragon is $47 + $16 shipping + VAT 20% - 10% Currency dec.

umh, redragon is $70

and asus $85 including shipping

[unkempt dome]

Then it's an easy choice

[bitter oar]

Then which?

Do amazon bypass EU VAT?

[unkempt dome]

I literally said

Redragon

[bitter oar]

or i have to pay 20% TAX-Vat

[unkempt dome]

No idea ...

[bitter oar]

I’m not sure, cuz ROG is good stock.

[unkempt dome]

No it's not

[bitter oar]

How

[unkempt dome]

It was told extensively before

[bitter oar]

what’s wrong with it expect lack of swapability?

[unkempt dome]

Build construction

Keycaps

Bottom row

Why are you even asking if you are set on the asus

[bitter oar]

I’m not sure..

i can’t decide

Build construction is actually one of the best.

expect for the thicc cable.

Cuz, usb passport.

[unkempt dome]

Have you seen it and felt it

[bitter oar]

no

it seems like brick.

[unkempt dome]

Then how can you say it's one of the best

[bitter oar]

Youtubers said-

Reviewers

It’s visible it’s a brick.

[unkempt dome]

And youtuber said logitech and razer keyboard are good

So you can see the thickness of the case and the plate ?

[bitter oar]

No, but it’s hard to flex it.

[unkempt dome]

Most keyboard are hard to flex

The redragon I have you can kill a man with it

Doesn't mean it's good tho

[bitter oar]

You said it’s bad bq

the plastic is kinda shiny

robust.

[unkempt dome]

it's not because it doesn't flex that it's a good build quality

[bitter oar]

kinda too much for my standarts.

[vale mist]

a thick hard to manage non removable cable

USB passthrough is a useless feature

[bitter oar]

You can plug in mouse.

ye, it’s bad trade-off

[vale mist]

just get a usb extension cable and put it in the back of the case if you need passthrough

[bitter oar]

The RGB is decent, the switches are one of the best.

[unkempt dome]

I would prefer a monitor with kvm switch inside than a keyboard with usb passthrough

[bitter oar]

One of the best switches for gaming.

[unkempt dome]

Have you tried them ?

[bitter oar]

Not for satisfaction.

[unkempt dome]

there's no such thing as that

[vale mist]

as a rythm game player switches don't matter for anything purely preference

[unkempt dome]

You can game with any switches

[bitter oar]

Yeah, no.

[unkempt dome]

Yeah yes

[bitter oar]

I have LK blues.

You can’t game with it.

It’s really irritating.

I hear the switches over my headphones.

[unkempt dome]

You still can game with them

[bitter oar]

no.

it’s unplayable.

[unkempt dome]

You won't be better with other switches

[vale mist]

wear headphones then

[unkempt dome]

Then you're doing it wrong

[bitter oar]

LK blues are “tactile clicky”

[unkempt dome]

it's not cause they are loud that they are bad for gaming

[bitter oar]

purposly loud.

[vale mist]

all clickies are tactile

[unkempt dome]

I know what a blue switch is

[bitter oar]

there are tactile clicky and tactile, linear.

it’s the loudest switch.

[unkempt dome]

And I've game on blue switches and they were fine

[bitter oar]

The blue ones.

really?

[unkempt dome]

Then you've never used buckling spring if you think blue are loud

[bitter oar]

Play any video on youtube.

[vale mist]

blue switches are not the loudest in fact, just the loudest common switch

[bitter oar]

You’ll get instantly headache.

[unkempt dome]

Yeah ... no

[bitter oar]

Yeah, from my personal experience yes.

too loud even for typing.

nice feedback.

[vale mist]

just wear headphones, or y'know get a different switch if it's such an issue

[bitter oar]

Just tooo frkin loud

[unkempt dome]

I have blue switches ... outemu which are about the loudest blue in existence... and they are nothing compared to kailh box navy with sa keycaps which are nothing compared to bucking spring

[vale mist]

^

[bitter oar]

LK are louder than Outemu

nothing significan’t.

[unkempt dome]

You think you know loud ... you've never heard real loud

[bitter oar]

But, aslong in the B820R there’s not foam.

so it’s extremly loud.

[vale mist]

you don't know loud til you hear me playing rythm games on normal switches and no dampening

[unkempt dome]

Model m didn't have foam in there either

[bitter oar]

Lk switches are also louder by themselves.

[unkempt dome]

This is getting boring ...

We told you what we would buy

Take the advice or not

[spark hatch]

if you want the asus so bad then get it, just know its bad.

[bitter oar]

i can’t decide.

i need someone who experienced the keyboard.

The redragon has also ABS keycaps.

but, it’s fully 5/3 pin hot swap.

And no F keys.

And thing i hate about asus is the numpad.

no space for mice

[vale mist]

This is how loud my keyboard is when playing rhythm games

keep in mind this is with the mic away from the keyboard on minimum gain

[bitter oar]

When i asked random people in R6

If my keyboard is loud.

I pressed some keys and they started immedentaly swearing what the fuc#

[vale mist]

Well that's rainbow players for you

[zenith swallow]

Rk61 go brrrr

[vale mist]

you're better off asking a dead pigeon

[swift forge]

Cherry MX Greens, bet

[unkempt jay]

I'm a young teen looking to start an online gaming peripherals business but don't know where to start. I am willing to put in the hours of work, the cost, and the research required. Can someone help me out on where to start? I've already got a headstart in researching as I was doing a rapid process on the steps needed. I found that it was gonna be hard to find a manufacturer. PS, that was a rapid thought process so I still don't know exactly what to do for it.

[spark hatch]

what region are you in?

[unkempt jay]

North America

[spark hatch]

well i'd be nice if you sold actual quality products

like keychron, akko, ect

[unkempt dome]

With multi mode and hot swappable

[spark hatch]

mhm

[unkempt jay]

My plan is to see what I need to do first, then research more about keyboards then make a keyboard prototype. I want to have a high quality customizable keyboard

[vale mist]

it would help to know how to 3d model and to have a 3d printer for prototyping

[unkempt dome]

Also how to make a pcb

[unkempt jay]

Yes, but it would be useless buying a 3d printer without having at least an idea of the whole process because if all else fails, money goes to garbage

[vale mist]

I'd say to look at wooting and how they started

they're a small keyboard company that sells high quality stuff that lasts

[unkempt jay]

do they have a video on how they started?

[vale mist]

https://wooting.io/about

[spark hatch]

yea

[vale mist]

They also do streams on twitch where you can ask questions

and they have a discord server

[unkempt jay]

Just checked out the timeline, pretty interesting

To say the least

I think maybe I can also code a software that goes along. Controlling RGB and whatever comes to mind.

[spark hatch]

try and get via

it'd be way more popular

[vale mist]

^

main reason why wooting has their own is because it's a analog keyboard and via won't support it

[spark hatch]

mhm

[vale mist]

if you do end up making a software at the very least make it
1, Well designed
2, Easy to use and learn
3, Not run in background

[chilly perch]

requires uploading whatever configurations onto the kb if it doesnt run in background

[spark hatch]

yea

[chilly perch]

Which should be the case on a good kb

[vale mist]

yea

[unkempt jay]

would anyone be interested in collaborating on this project?

[spark hatch]

not me sorry but good luck and I'd love to see what you come up with!

[chilly perch]

Its not really a hard endeavor, but one that is gonna take time and money

[unkempt jay]

The only thing that stumps me is the process. Making a prototype, finding a manufacturer that's willing to distribute it, actually making the keyboard function.

[unkempt jay]

Thanks!

[chilly perch]

Well,

You'd probably be suck with designing the entire thing pretty much

Can't really just go "hello company X i have these requirements for a keyboard please make it"

[unkempt jay]

yeah

[chilly perch]

well, maybe a contracted electronic design company could but thats prob not what ur looking at lol

[unkempt jay]

but when I do, it will still be hard to find a manufacturer

[chilly perch]

Getting PCBs printed isnt difficult thats very doable

But it would be on you to design it

(it might be difficult in 20xx cause of covid and shit but otherwise it is easy)

[unkempt jay]

yeah but I know not much on the process in general

Dont even know where to start

[chilly perch]

Idk how much you know in general, but first learn the fundamentals of electronic circuits, then prototype on a breadboard or similar, then you could place them all down onto a PCB

[vale mist]

I'd first learn firmware design
then pcb design
and learning 3d modeling to create digital prototypes
giving the pcb and 3d models to manufacturers willing to do 1 offs
test the one offs
market it
either sell it on a custom website or a already established seller like amazon
ofc there's more steps than this but this is the basic idea

[chilly perch]

It is quite an involved process

you absolutely could do it if you are dedicated

[unkempt jay]

Well, I am

[chilly perch]

Theres of course options on how low level you want to go, you could start with QMK for the firmware, or design completely from scratch (probably a bad idea)

[unkempt jay]

since covid, my family's business has been going down and this could help them. Plus, the process seems interesting yet confusing

[unkempt jay]

May I ask what is QMK?

[chilly perch]

I'd caution you to not get too ambitious jumping in with little knowledge, it'll lead you to get really frustrated and possible give up

qmk is a customizable firmware for microcontrollers in a keyboard

basically, manages the interface between electronics and signals going to the computer

[unkempt jay]

got it

[chilly perch]

I believe there are alternatives as well

[unkempt jay]

I might start out with QMK or an alternative then maybe, if I do good, develop my own solution

[chilly perch]

To learn about the firmware and a small amount of hardware, buy yourself some switches (not even necessarily keyboard switches), a compatible microcontroller (probably an arduino or similar, not an actual cpu package), and possibly other small components like diodes etc

solder those up and learn how to configure QMK to do what you need it to do

Start by just wiring up 6 keys and figuring out how to customize what they do, move on to building a larger key matrix to support NKRO and many switches

[unkempt jay]

It's gonna take me a little while to understand even the basics yet I hope I get there to know the knowledge

[chilly perch]

yup yup

a from scratch keyboard is a pretty deep endeavour

[unkempt jay]

Is there any videos or documents about what you told me to do so I can have a better or visual representation on what you're saying?

[chilly perch]

um

[unkempt jay]

Just to get a better understanding on exactly how to set it up

[chilly perch]

yea yea 1 sec

I have no idea what your base knowledge is, or what specifically you want to know more about but like here are some videos to watch and see what you want to learn more about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsCSoyjcafY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35YuILUlfGs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBdC5xZZPSY