peripherals

[spark hatch]

these exist

[grim lance]

https://fnatic.com/products/streak-65-lp-ultra-fast-low-profile-gaming-keyboard-white

this looks the best out of all the lowprofile boards ive seen

(aesthetically)

but that frickin cable

[spark hatch]

whats wrong witht the cable?

[grim lance]

i want a wireless board to reduce clutter 😔🙏

[spark hatch]

thats a really nice cable, and it doesnt look bad with it

but fair enough

[grim lance]

well like

for a cable it looks amazing

but i do not want cable

😔🙏

[spark hatch]

i c

[grim lance]

hm

[delicate fern]

Stacked TKL, dsa milkshake, boba u4t.

[spark hatch]

nice

[unkempt dome]

check out akko keyboard with multimode ...

if you want wireless

or keychron

[formal dragon]

U80, hg blacks swapped springs, wob

[spark hatch]

they have but they want white

[unkempt dome]

get one with a white base and change keycap

not that complicated

[spark hatch]

ik, i cant find lowprofile white caps

[grim lance]

which mousepad is that?

[unkempt dome]

yeah most are two tones ...

[spark hatch]

yea~

[unkempt dome]

maybe when searching G20 profile

[spark hatch]

maybe

[keen hamlet]

Finally I can work properly. Thanks Taran for the inspiration

[spark hatch]

damn

[vale mist]

I'm more surprised you can think of that many uses

[keen hamlet]

I don't know if it's the best way, but I found all these uses by just being extremely lazy and wanting to automate most of the repetitive tasks I do every day

[vale mist]

the only thing I have on my keyboard is a calculator button

[strange sand]

yo my keyb acc sounds good now

i did foam mod and tape mod

[keen hamlet]

I also have a tiny one on the side haha

[slate lagoon]

I'd honestly forget where the buttons were that did each thing.

[vale mist]

maybe someday I'll get a stream deck or numpad but honestly I'm quite lazy

[strange sand]

i still needs lube

[keen hamlet]

After a while and almost using most of the buttons every day you get used to it and it becomes quite intuitive

If you use it only a few times a day, for sure yes it would be like a game of mahjong

[unkempt dome]

fn+c is the calculator on my board

[novel kite]

anyone got a quiet gaming keyboard they recommend?

[spark hatch]

you'll have to get third party switches

[slate lagoon]

Yeah this Corsair K55 with membrane shit i've got is pretty quiet

[spark hatch]

id get like a keychron k serise with hot swap and then thow silent switchs in it

[swift forge]

Well I mean you can always get a barebones board and buy alpaca switches 🤷‍♂️

[spark hatch]

you dont want a corsair board.

[swift forge]

good for gaming purposes, bad for general typing I would agree

[spark hatch]

alpacas are a linear not a silent switch

[swift forge]

oh 💀 alr

Corsair kbs have Cherry MX allsorts linear switches and their linear OPX optical switches, I type a "single letter" on those its guaranteed to register as 3 of the same 💀

I didn't realise how easy it was to spam the keys on the K100 and K70 TKL

[spark hatch]

interesting

[swift forge]

though they reacted faster in CS:GO and Krunker than my brain did when it came to movement and trying to molest smurfs

[slate lagoon]

I honestly cannot wait to get rid of this corsair. Mod and lube my new one later on today. Hopefully it turns up before I have to go to work. Might have to mod it tomorrow when I have a spare few hours.

[swift forge]

the K55 was formatted as instant electronics litter the second it was invented 🤷‍♂️

[slate lagoon]

I agree.. I was on a tight budget back then. Not so much the same nowadays.

[swift forge]

I mean, Corsair why membrane 😭

[spark hatch]

cause all they give a fuck about is gettign the cash

[swift forge]

literally rigged any chance of swapping switches and decent durability

[spark hatch]

and now that they're big they dont need to make a good product to get said cash

[slate lagoon]

Its 3 zone rgb as well it sucks so bad

[swift forge]

plus compromised your title as an accomplished peripheral company

[swift forge]

Well at least overall quality is better, hopefully they discontinue the K55 or give it Cherry MX switches

for starters the K70 was quite successful, got a few friends using that not to mention Technoblade

then you have streamers sponsored by Corsair like Loserfruit, using their K95 Platinum keyboard

[spark hatch]

idc corasair boards are shit they should just get out of the keyboard market as a whole if they're not gonna fix them

[slate lagoon]

I'm actually ditching the mouse as well. Harpoon RGB Pro.. its a good mouse. Its just very worn out now. Ordered a Glorious D Wireless mouse instead.

[swift forge]

well what exactly makes them shit

sure linear switches, soldered as well, but is there like a huge underlying con with their boards

[slate lagoon]

I mean i'm a big fan of corsair. I just want something different. I went with corsair simply because of how shit the quality was on Razer keybs

[swift forge]

I can think of the fact they don't manufacture ones for general purpose and work uses

[spark hatch]

stabs, build quility, switchs, price, soldered switchs, (personal prverance) they spill their logo all over them

[swift forge]

build quality isn't bad though, coming from a Corsair K70, K65, K95, K100

stabilisers, they're just genuine Cherry MX switches like it or not

[spark hatch]

it is bad? all the corsair baords ive tried flex, and they're "aluminum" build is just a paper thin pice laying in the top

[swift forge]

well lucky you, ordered the best mouse from Glorious that doesn't suffer click latency issues like the O series

[spark hatch]

fair enough switchs are all preferance but theres much better options they could be offering, they're stabs are shit tho

[swift forge]

the D Wireless has the lowest click latency and best sensor accuracy according to Rtings, their mouse reviews > kb reviews

[swift forge]

I haven't really paid attention to the sound they make, but I'll probably just use an optical switch gaming kb in that case so I don't have to deal with pinging

[spark hatch]

I have never met someone who give a fuck about latency as much as you do

[swift forge]

which is usually caused by mechanical micro-parts vibrating inside the switch housing

[slate lagoon]

genuinely didn't know that. In fact. I bought it so quick i didn't actually do any research. I just wanted a white light weight wireless mouse.. as lightweight as wireless can be with batteries in anyway.

[vale mist]

never get a Corsair board in general

[swift forge]

true, I don't that much anymore tbh, just another set of stats now

[spark hatch]

not how it works but sure

[vale mist]

all of the k95s I've had had chattering issues within a day of me using it

[spark hatch]

yea

[swift forge]

I've just noticed less pinging noise on an optical Razer Purple switch Razer Huntsman Mini thats all, compared to the HyperX Alloy Origins where there was quite a lot of feedback in comparison

like with the Huntsman, you hear the click of a clicky optical switch and nothing else, with my current logitech board and the HyperX I can notice sounds that aren't just the switch

[spark hatch]

those are completely different boards thats not a fair comparison

[swift forge]

but they use optical and mech switches

Razer is optical, HyperX mech

and Corsair

[spark hatch]

pinging comes from the case in most cases, and is only a real issues on aluminum cases

[swift forge]

explains my Logitech board its an aluminum-top

[spark hatch]

again not how that works

its a paper thin peice of aluminum

[swift forge]

half the keyboard is aluminum

[spark hatch]

and its tight against the top housing, there is no point which it can vibrate to create a ping

[spark hatch]

yes I realise i've owned a logitch board, its not gonna be able to ping

[swift forge]

Well HyperX can ping

[spark hatch]

im talking real aluminiom boards, gmmk pro, and q1 being 2 popular examples

[swift forge]

oh alr

I probably hear things wrong then

[slate lagoon]

I heard Linus just say on his live that his go to kb is the G915 are they really that good?

[spark hatch]

n o

its very bad

its got wireless

and a pretty nice knob

[swift forge]

G915 has ABS keycaps, 3 way bt, receiver wireless and wired connectivity, low profile keys, though bad media controls

[spark hatch]

tahts all its got going for it

media controls are bad?

they're great

[swift forge]

the media keys are membrane, and the volume roller I had to give myself an entire lesson on how to use

[swift forge]

its the off-feel of them in comparison to the mechanical keyboard switches

[spark hatch]

I never noticed lmao

and i liked the scrol wheel it was way easier to use compared to others

[swift forge]

I mean the TKL is basically S1mple's CS:GO esports keyboard

[spark hatch]

taht was the one thing i liked

[swift forge]

because the low pre-travel is gold to him

[swift forge]

well I prefer some feedback scrolling for volume, there is none on Logitech's rollers

so I end up making audio too loud or too soft

[slate lagoon]

I honestly don't believe a kb can make anyone better at gaming.

[spark hatch]

yea ik

it cant

[swift forge]

it'll make you faster, but not necessarily better if its a linear switch, low-latency gaming-grade kb

[slate lagoon]

all these streamers just use what's given to them for free. Then say how good it is for marketing purposes.

[spark hatch]

its not gonna make you faster either

[swift forge]

faster as in you'll move quicker in FPS games but not necessarily skilful enough to avoid incoming ammunition

[spark hatch]

you'll still be moving the same speed

[slate lagoon]

Razer could give me a load of free stuff.. and i'd be bending over backwards to say how good it was whilst crying inside.

[swift forge]

but typically you need to "train" yourself first in the game's mechanics and master that before a keyboard will really elevate your game

[swift forge]

reference to keyboard latency

keypress latency*

[spark hatch]

oh wow im 0.5 of a ms faster

[swift forge]

its insignificant for general purpose uses, but I have seen it being an issue before

[slate lagoon]

I spent around a month playing with different mouse DPI's.. eventually i just found out that no matter what speed it was on.. I adapted to it and played the same.

[unkempt dome]

thank you ...

[swift forge]

800 DPI for me is more control, but more wrist power required to move a wider range

in an FPS game

2400 DPI is basically a massage for my wrist, no need to use any energy to flick shot

but yea, its mostly your pre-learnt skills that determine your playing level in a game

[slate lagoon]

Exactly that. Lower DPI was better for more accurate long distance shots. Which is quite funny when mouse companies advertise 16000 DPI etc.. because nobody is using that.

[swift forge]

its the thing where higher max DPI = more consistent sensor at lower figures

typically a sign of it, at least

[unkempt dome]

mouse dpi mostly depend of the resolution you're playing ... you won't use the same dpi setting if you're playing in 720p than in 4k

[spark hatch]

it doesnt matter what dpi I use my aim is pretty bad, I still have the stickers on my mouses skates

[swift forge]

thats true too, 1200 DPI on my 4.5K iMac screen = 2000 DPI on my 2K macbook pro's display

[swift forge]

some people are just congenitally bad at a genre, long story short my case trying chess

[slate lagoon]

I'm on 2k res and find that 8000 DPI is my sweet spot as long as the game has a setting for lower mouse speed when aiming down the sights.

[swift forge]

i.e. figuring out strategy quickly

[swift forge]

8000? you sure bud

[slate lagoon]

sorry no 6000DPI lol

[spark hatch]

bruh

tahts so high

I use 1200

[slate lagoon]

Honestly... i'm that confident i changed them all to 6k

I would say i'm very above average in fps games.

[swift forge]

the sniper DPI alongside casual 🤣

[swift forge]

well I guess its not that crazy to me now, I have a friend using 5000 DPI in CS:GO for the purpose of accurate flick shots

I just hide in a corner and knife the shit out of my opponents usually

[slate lagoon]

again you just sort of get used to it. Its all muscle memory.

[swift forge]

or use an AK at a further range than intended in Krunker, so I finish my nemesis before he has a chance to land rounds on me

[slate lagoon]

I'm also limited on desk space so i need those small movements. I'll have much more space with this 60% kb than this full size one that's for sure.

[swift forge]

true, basically me using 1600 DPI before a Logitech Pro X Superlight came along and used my mousepad as an ice speed skating rink

and consecutively slid 5 times out under my palm like grip was nonexistent, until I adhered grip tape to the right side of the Superlight

[swift forge]

name of the 60%?

[slate lagoon]

Royal Kludge RK61

Ordered this lot yesterday

[swift forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ_L3WnAnQk
RIP Loserfruit using this keyboard

my eardrums are thoroughly a set of organelle carcasses now

[slate lagoon]

That sounds so bad

[swift forge]

Yea exactly, I think that’s the reason Loserfruit has her mic as one of the most expensive things in her PC setup

So it noise cancels and the pinging doesn’t subtract 10k viewers/sec from her stream

[slate lagoon]

Haha yeah

[swift forge]

if you're interested the pinging sound's pitch is an octave above middle C on a piano

[vale mist]

so it's just C5

[swift forge]

yea, I'm a perfect pitch

honestly I wouldn't mind the pinging noise if it was consistently in tune as a C, but it slightly raises the pitch near the end of its audible duration which annoys me

[swift forge]

if you watch from 0:18 onwards where he does individual switch ping testing yes its a C5

I couldn't differentiate before that where he was just spamming

[chrome raft]

is leopold truly the best keyboard brand?

[spark hatch]

nope, there is not single best

they are good tho

[chrome raft]

Oh come on, there's gotta be a best!

I don't want it to be complicated 😦

[spark hatch]

ask any keyboard enthusiast, there is no single best, they all bad there ups and downs

[chrome raft]

😰

When I bought a keyboard ages ago, the only mechanical game in town was ducky and I had to use some weirdo korean website to get it

and it took forever to arrive

Now it's starting to show a little age so I'm light shopping and man this little niche blew up

[chilly perch]

I got my brother a ducky one 2 a few years ago i think it was a pretty good choice for just a very basic work from home keyboard

[spark hatch]

budget

?

[chrome raft]

I dunno like a hundred bucks or so?

How pricey can it be...

[spark hatch]

y;ou wanna know?

[chrome raft]

[spark hatch]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234378889646

[chrome raft]

item was removed

[spark hatch]

oh, tahts a 1000+ dollar board

[spark hatch]

keychron has some nice options in that range or leopold is quite good

[chrome raft]

holy heck

[chilly perch]

Why is a chunk of machied metal $1600

[spark hatch]

can be lots of reasons

[chilly perch]

Its probably just some cringe limited edition nonsense

[spark hatch]

design, rarity, sound it produces, ect

[spark hatch]

not limited edition but sorda

[chilly perch]

I dont see how two or three pieces of machined metal, coated in some way, screwed together, could possibly be that much. Hell you could probably machine it out of fuckin titanium and be under 1600

(idk how much titanium costs)

Unless limited edition but yeah

[swift forge]

Its like me asking the best gaming peripheral company in terms of making gaming kbs; Razer is good at innovation and RGB pioneering but all the customisability is in the software, no hotswap boards and most of their kbs are linear switches, Corsair basically the same problem and 8000hz to make a kb expensive is absurd with most of their switches being Cherry MX, Logitech always sticks to ABS keycaps which some people dislike and have Kalih housing switches which cannot be replaced unless you're talking about the Logitech Pro X kb, even then you can only replace them with Logitech's generic self-made switches and not Gaterons or Leopolds

[boreal rivet]

among prebuilts yes, along with filco, varmilo and realforce/hhkb

[spark hatch]

I never said 1600% I said 1000, and it wouldnt just be the case, it come wiht pcb, foams, plates, ect

[swift forge]

Steelseries boards are ok for gaming, but only the Apex Pro really stands out and is exorbitantly expensive

[spark hatch]

they're good but I still wouldnt dub them the bust

[chilly perch]

I mean that link is for 1600 and it doesnt look like it has anything but the case?

Oh no it does have a pcb and whatnot

nonetheless, 1600 absolute insanity I would rather hire a friend to design me a case and machine it for me lmao

[spark hatch]

tahts some idiot just trying to resell at a mark up, stock i think its 1000~ish

never said it was reasonable, but you can defintally spend that in the hobby

[chilly perch]

i mean yeah u CAN lol

[boreal rivet]

name me one company that sells better prebuilts apart from keychron, i forgot about them

[spark hatch]

keychron.

[boreal rivet]

right, point proven

[spark hatch]

yea, so they're not the single best

also royal kludge is ok

n80 is a good prebuild

gmmk pro is fine ig

[boreal rivet]

I never said there was a single best though

those are just the companies that make the best prebuilts

[spark hatch]

fair

[chrome raft]

what exactly makes them better

I've only had a ducky shine 2

and I love it but some of the keys are starting to go

[spark hatch]

didnt say they were better, they're just another really good option

[spark hatch]

if you like it so much you could just replace the switchs and caps

[chrome raft]

Nah I did some research, repairing what I have would be pretty expensive best to just buy new.

[spark hatch]

what makes it so expensive?

solder iron, solder, solder sucker

[chrome raft]

well, me being me I'll likely lose the whole keyboard trying that so I hit up a reputable keyboard repair website and they said it'd be a ton of work

I did ask for some upgrades though

I was thinking of getting a keyboard that has fully replaceable switches!

the future!

[spark hatch]

it is not alot of work ot fex a switch

also nto hard to make a board hotswap

[chrome raft]

If you can solder maybe but I can't solder 2 wires together

lack those steady hands

[spark hatch]

is ee

see

what size do you want?

[chrome raft]

I think it's full

I gotta have dat numpad

[spark hatch]

keychron c2 is pretty good then

[chrome raft]

damn this is CHEAP

This more than half the price of the leopold

[spark hatch]

indeed it is

waht leopld are you looking at?

[chrome raft]

I was just browsing their site after some rando said they were da best

all I really know is I want swappable switches and browns

[spark hatch]

browns ~ew~

sorry

[chrome raft]

I wish they made retro with a backlight

[spark hatch]

ig the point is no backlight is retro?

yea it would be nice, if one really wanted you could solder in leds tho

[chrome raft]

I guess but I love the color gray and I think backlights are useful

[spark hatch]

or pcb swap

[chrome raft]

what is different between gateron g pro mechanical and keychron mechanical

[spark hatch]

https://www.keychron.com/collections/100-layout-keyboards/products/keychron-k10-wireless-mechanical-keyboard#

[spark hatch]

keychron mechanical uses keychrons in house switches

[chrome raft]

I get that they are different but like... what's good

and why

[spark hatch]

wdym whats good?

[chrome raft]

Like surely the 2 switch types are different right?

[spark hatch]

the differance between the 2 switches is pretty minimal I dont think it really matters

[chrome raft]

rad

so why did you link the k10? Better than the C2?

[spark hatch]

never used keychrons in house but they're basically gateron remakse if I remember correctly

[spark hatch]

nope, its just another optin

I personally prefer teh c2 but k10 is also out there

[chrome raft]

Oh, okay super weird thing but I am not loving the function placements

and I don't even know what some of them do to be honest

[spark hatch]

those?

[chrome raft]

I get the mic one I guess

what are the others

are all these keyboard rgb related?

[heady oak]

i think F1 and F2 is system screen brightness

[chrome raft]

ah useless

[spark hatch]

one is mic, on eis for snip and sketch, one is like alt tab i think

[heady oak]

i've had a similar stuff of sort on that with the kemove

[chrome raft]

what is snip and sketch

like sharex?

[spark hatch]

not for me but sure

[chrome raft]

What does that do on a desktop?

[spark hatch]

windows key + shift + s

its for ss's

[chrome raft]

oh wow I had no idea windows did that

I was using sharex all this time

[spark hatch]

lmao

[chrome raft]

share x is better though, would recommend

ah the k10 is wireless

that's a big plus not gonna lie

[sleek bronze]

Why is it better though ?

[heavy night]

g915?

[unkempt dome]

there's no best and they'll never be a best brand until there's only one brand left

[boreal rivet]

objective best would be leopold pd and realforce/hhkb

[slate lagoon]

When you're customising and modifying things.. like cars for example the best one is just the quickest. For keyboards it seems that people think the most expensive = the best. But that's not the case really.

The best "for you" is just whatever you can type the quickest on... but also sounds and feels good to you. But everyone is different so there will never be a best.

[boreal rivet]

objectively both brands build keyboards like tanks, both have keycaps that will last forever, both have good enough/endgame switches and sound doesnt matter outside of stabiliser rattle cope harder

[heavy night]

What's a good gaming keybkard

I'm thinking of the logitech g915 tkl

[royal patrol]

a budget hotswap board of your preferred layout with some linear switches

[proven pumice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/909158621395423303/961632414759796816/PXL_20220407_162321557.jpg

Ki ki ki

[unkempt dome]

switches choice is a preference ... linear are not better for gaming than tactile or clicky

[royal patrol]

the chad linear

the virgin tactile and clicky switches

[strange sand]

yo my keyboard acc is so satisfuying rn

i bandaid modded and lubed stabs

[strange sand]

fax on fax

[royal patrol]

always

[spark hatch]

It's bad don't get it

[heavy night]

then what's good

I like the ecosystem of logitech

[spark hatch]

If you want tkl id recommend keychron c1 or if you want the lowprofile get a keychron k1

[heavy night]

I'm looking for a gaming keyboard

[spark hatch]

https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k1-wireless-mechanical-keyboard?variant=31301928157273

[heavy night]

What's so good about it

Enlighten me

[spark hatch]

Much higher quality compared to g915, Better switches and keycaps, Cheaper, hotswap (if you get that config), lubed switches and stabs

Supports mac better ig

[heavy night]

Why are gaming keyboards so expensige

[spark hatch]

Are you saying the k1 is expensive? Or the g915

[heavy night]

Both

[spark hatch]

K1 is very fairly priced and the g915 is just overpriced

[royal patrol]

gaming gear is overpriced as a whole because of marketing and mindshare

most of it is crap quality with massive upcharge

[spark hatch]

Yea

[royal patrol]

$25 iems + $40 usb microphone will shit all over a $200 “gaming” headset

[heavy night]

K1 has rgb?

[spark hatch]

One config does

[heavy night]

It's wireless?

[spark hatch]

Pretty sure, look at it's product page

[heavy night]

Is k1 charged by USB c nothing on the page?

[spark hatch]

It's usb c ues

Yes

Also I Jsut noticed if you want to save a buck you can get the plastic version

It's out of stock atm but this is the same board just with a plastic build instead of aluminum

https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k1-se-wireless-mechanical-keyboard?variant=39652026351705

[heavy night]

Can I connected it with the wifi thingy like logitech

[spark hatch]

The 2.4 GHz dongle?

[heavy night]

Yes

[spark hatch]

No I believe it uses just Bluetooth, but if you want that there some other options

[heavy night]

my motherboard doesn't support bluetooth

[spark hatch]

N80
RK 61
L80

Ah

Have you ever used a 75%?

[heavy night]

I'm using a 100% keyboard rn I would rather a smaller one

75 is fine

[spark hatch]

Alr, take a look at this

https://iqunix.store/?ac=hipyo

This is a good option too

https://drop.com/buy/keydous-nj80-barebones-bluetooth-rgb-hot-swappable-keyboard/details#details

[heavy night]

The g915 is 150$ bucks still not worth it?

[spark hatch]

Where are you getting it for 150?

[heavy night]

Amazon

The non US version

[spark hatch]

If that's really what you want ig it's a pretty low quility board and I can't recommend it my self but if that's what you want go for it

[heavy night]

I'm... stuck in the ecosystem

[spark hatch]

Huh, it's 300$+ in my region lmao

[heavy night]

The k1 is overpriced in my Amazon it's like 130$

[royal patrol]

you’re stuck in the gaming peripheral mindshare

[heavy night]

Ong

[royal patrol]

you’re in an abusive relationship with gamer aesthetic

[spark hatch]

Why don't you jsut get it all there website?

[heavy night]

Do they ship internationally?

[spark hatch]

Where are you from?

Pretty sure they do

[heavy night]

Asia

[spark hatch]

I'm pretty sure they would ship there

But the k1 wouldn't work anyway, it runs off Bluetooth

[royal patrol]

wireless keyboards blow chunks

you flinging your keyboard around ur desk?

[spark hatch]

What?

No wireless boards are great

[heavy night]

20$ shipping hell nah

[royal patrol]

yeah they perform fine i just don’t have a use for them on a main pc

i use one to access my second pc that’s on the opposite side of my room

but that’s like the $20 logitech one with a trackpad

[spark hatch]

Ah

[heavy night]

What's a good gaming mice

[steady hatch]

There isnt one

I like the G Pro wireless

[spark hatch]

Wrong person to ask lmao, I use roccat khain 100

[heavy night]

G903? G502?

[spark hatch]

Also that

[steady hatch]

Look at rocket jump ninja

https://www.rocketjumpninja.com/

great reviews he test every mouse you can think of

[royal patrol]

what’s your budget and wired or wireless

the g pro x super light is the best mainstream buy it right now mouse if you’re willing to pay for it

the only thing really better is the finalmouse starlight 12 but those are like $240usd second hand

[heavy night]

Wireless

[steady hatch]

what you on about

Its all preference

[spark hatch]

Yea

[royal patrol]

here comes the people who say they love their 152gram logitech g502

[steady hatch]

All the g pro x superlight is overpriced

[royal patrol]

as they’re ranked silver 2 in csgo because they play with a brick

[steady hatch]

Sure keep watching reviews that make you buy expensive shizz that literally is as good as cheaper stuff

[spark hatch]

What are you talking about, it's all preferences there is no best. G pro just happens to be a popular option

[royal patrol]

i don’t even own a g pro super light

but it’s not expensive anyway

[spark hatch]

It's 200$ but ok

[royal patrol]

a mouse is your primary way of interacting with your pc, $120 for something you could be using 4-10 hours a day every day of the week for years is nothing

[steady hatch]

For a mouse

I got my G Pro for like 40 USD

new

[royal patrol]

that’s a dub

[steady hatch]

only reason I got it

Also the G Pro seems to have the best QC

I got a g703 and the GC was trash

[royal patrol]

i use a g305 atm

it’s too heavy but otherwise it’s fine

i want a small finalmouse starlight 12

[steady hatch]

just overpriced

You can get a modded g305

which is light and probably better tbh

[spark hatch]

Didn't ltt do a video on modding the 305?

[steady hatch]

no idea looked at it on r/mouses or sm

[royal patrol]

piranha mouse mods sells kits you can put together yourself for the g305

but those are 3d printed not magnesium

[steady hatch]

Only thing I have about the G Pro is the top coat and pads literally garbage

[prime portal]

any keyboard recommendations for 80 USD and under

[royal patrol]

and i don’t consider $240 expensive for a “final” mouse

if i keep it for 10 years how is $240 a lot for a mouse

i’m interacting with it constantly for 4-10 hours a day

[steady hatch]

Its just a mouse

paying 240 for a mouse

[royal patrol]

yes, it’s just your direct connection that replaces your hands when you’re using a computer

for several hours a day

[spark hatch]

Keychron c1, rk 61, n80

[steady hatch]

can you service it ?

If it breaks you gotta pay those scalper prices

[royal patrol]

if i had to then i’d try but they’re barely scalped

like $190 msrp $230 on ebay

[steady hatch]

The only reason its expensive is because no one makes a lot of them

they just make batches

[royal patrol]

it’s the smallest lightweight full functionality mouse

[steady hatch]

Well if they made more the costs would go down and many people would have it

[royal patrol]

i don’t support price gouging and intentionally creating false demand but it’s like the only option for what i want

[steady hatch]

its still overhyped still just a mouse

[royal patrol]

i don’t see the argument in saying it’s just a mouse when we’re talking in the keyboard enthusiast channel

anyone could say it’s just a keyboard, buy a $15 membrane

[long obsidian]

you're not in a mouse enthusiast channel

[royal patrol]

no but there is none and this is the closest option

[long obsidian]

??

[spark hatch]

It's all preference if that 240$ mouse is what you like then that's what you like, but I would never spend that on a mouse

[royal patrol]

yeah

[spark hatch]

I do agree with juice tho that it's over hyped

[viscid jungle]

gateron CJs worth?

[long obsidian]

cause it is

[royal patrol]

if there was a mouse of a similar weight and size for a lot less i’d buy that instead but there isn’t

[viscid jungle]

WHAT MOUSE

caps

[spark hatch]

I also personally think light mice as a whole are over hyped, they're so light you can twitch and throw your aim off

[viscid jungle]

that's just you not having a steady hand tho

[royal patrol]

i went from 142g to 51g back up to 90g and i still miss my 51g mouse even though it’s been like a year

[viscid jungle]

or using a very very light mouse

[royal patrol]

lighter mice are SO much easier to aim with

[spark hatch]

This is fair

[steady hatch]

light mouse's are cool but paying 240 for a mouse

[viscid jungle]

240 for a mouse?

is it gold plated?

[spark hatch]

I'm also a heavy drag clicker, light mice move too much for my use case

[long obsidian]

has tears of a unicorn

[spark hatch]

That's your preference not for me.

[royal patrol]

see i just don’t agree that $240 is unrealistic for the thing simulating your hands that you use for hours daily for years

[viscid jungle]

what mouse is it

[steady hatch]

its not even ergonomic

[spark hatch]

The one I use or the ones they're talking about?

[viscid jungle]

considering it probably isn't meaningfully better than a 50$ one it kinda is

[spark hatch]

.

[royal patrol]

people will spend $600 on a gpu every 3 years but won’t spend more than $80 on a mouse they keep for a decade

[viscid jungle]

wtf it l;ooks like ass

literally a glorious mouse

[steady hatch]

Its just made for those "gamers"

[spark hatch]

Because I don't need to spend more than 80

[royal patrol]

it’s solely made for gaming yes, its entire point is that it’s extremely light, it has no other criteria

[steady hatch]

its like that glass mouse pad that costs 120

glass doesnt cost $120

[long obsidian]

how about gaming glass

[viscid jungle]

people spend £600 on a tv they will use for 3 years but 80 on a cabletie you will use for decades

[royal patrol]

i don’t see why i need to prove a point anyway we’re just talking about mice on discord not politics

[steady hatch]

sold

[long obsidian]

still overhyped mouse

[viscid jungle]

can my mouse run cyberpunk at 120fps

[spark hatch]

Lmao

[viscid jungle]

but how is it different to a glorious mouse

im curious now

[steady hatch]

weight

nothing else

[viscid jungle]

xd 3 grams

[spark hatch]

The only feature I can care about on mice is debounce times

[viscid jungle]

finna pay 200 for 3 grams

[royal patrol]

glorious mice sit around 70g, the small starlight is like 43g

drastic difference

you’re also comparing plastic to magnesium

[long obsidian]

i agree, the price is drastic

[viscid jungle]

might as well remove the whole chassis and just move around the sensor

[royal patrol]

yes it is but it’s still an insignificant amount of money for something id use so frequently

[steady hatch]

How to get a light weight mouse

get a trackpad

[viscid jungle]

oh ok mb i was looking aat the wrong thing

but 20 grams xd

[chrome raft]

i only need a W keycap i can't find any

[long obsidian]

I know something that would feel lighter on the hands

[royal patrol]

i’ll mail you one singular w keycap

[viscid jungle]

you couldn't pay me to use a mouse with those ergonomics either

[steady hatch]

was literally about to post that

[chrome raft]

thanks bruh, broke it since like 7 months and been playing with a missing keycap

[steady hatch]

Weight 0

[spark hatch]

You could get a metal or rubber one, or replace whole cap set

[chrome raft]

nah i'm not paying 20€ just for one missing keycap

[royal patrol]

i use a 60% with fontless keycaps

[spark hatch]

Then I can't help you

[royal patrol]

my next build will probably be 75% though

[viscid jungle]

is the guy wanting the 260$ mouse at least a major league esports player

[chrome raft]

who tf wants a 260€ mpuse

that costs more than my laptop

[viscid jungle]

XD ik

[spark hatch]

Lmao

[chilly perch]

What $260 mouse are talking about

[long obsidian]

lmao (2)

[steady hatch]

mouse's that are super light make aiming harder rather than easier

[long obsidian]

more people are joining the convo and none of them agree that 260 is worth

[viscid jungle]

exactly, and that mouse has ass ergonomicxs by the looks of it

[spark hatch]

Starlight 12 I think they called it

[royal patrol]

small finalmouse starlight 12

[chilly perch]

Is that like a diff currency or taxes/shipping, says theyre 190

[steady hatch]

$240 for a mouse bruj moment

[viscid jungle]

i have a razer viper ultimate and would not want anything lighter at all

[steady hatch]

with scalpers make that 2x

[royal patrol]

i’ve used mice of all different weights and my favorite was my coolmaster mm710 that broke

[spark hatch]

I don't even like the viper

[viscid jungle]

maybe he's just getting it for the flex or as like a fashion thing

like a rolex

[chrome raft]

shi if i'm paying 260€ i want it to aim

[royal patrol]

id be buying solely because it’s the lightest mouse

[long obsidian]

i posted something lighter

[viscid jungle]

so just for the clout?

fair enough if so

[long obsidian]

OOF

[steady hatch]

Crappy mouse + cheats = god aim

[royal patrol]

you’re ignoring my message well done

[spark hatch]

I mean... He's not wrong~~

[viscid jungle]

having a mouse that light is (almost) always bad

[royal patrol]

i own a 51g mm710, 90g g305, and 142g g502, it’s substantially easier to aim with the mm710 but it broke L

[viscid jungle]

does he have some sort of condition where his arms do not build muscle

mate thats almost 100g

[royal patrol]

this might be the dumbest take i’ve ever read in the entire server

[viscid jungle]

hardly paying 200 extra for 20 grams and bad ergonomics

[spark hatch]

I do t see how a light mouse helps anything

[viscid jungle]

and at the point where the mouse it too light

[long obsidian]

helps remove money from your wallet

[spark hatch]

Ah makes sense

[viscid jungle]

sorry just for some background, why do you want such a light mouse?

[steady hatch]

Sky pad glass trackpad

[royal patrol]

you repeatedly ignore my messages and then post a meme comment like saying i want it for clout but it's substantially easier to aim with a lighter mouse

[steady hatch]

$120

[viscid jungle]

Bro 20g won't make a difference at all

And just amplify jitter

[royal patrol]

43g vs 70g is a massive difference

[viscid jungle]

But maybe you're an ultra steady hand chad idk

[steady hatch]

unless your finger look like french fries

[royal patrol]

it doesnt matter how strong you are it's still far easier to make quick small movements with a 50g mouse than it is a 150g mouse

[viscid jungle]

And maybe you're ultra ultra rich

[royal patrol]

$240 object ill keep for 10 years =/= ultra ultra rich

[viscid jungle]

Xd obv because that's 100g

And yu only using it for super competitive FPS gaming?

[steady hatch]

I have had a 20 USD razer for 5 years

[viscid jungle]

Because a heavier and more ergonomic mouse would be far better for anything else

[long obsidian]

260 for valorant

[royal patrol]

my g305 is around 84g with triple A batteries and it's very noticeably heavier than my 51g mm710

ive had it for a year and im still not happy, i want a lighter mouse again

[long obsidian]

just remove the batteries

[steady hatch]

So adding $220 for additional 5 years

[viscid jungle]

Do an aimlabs test and I bet they will be basically the same

[royal patrol]

actually ive done that and it's not remotely similar

[steady hatch]

Maybe you just need to get better ?

[royal patrol]

my gridshot score went up like 20k immediately when i switched from my g502 to my mm710 years ago

and that's large targets not smaller ones like heads in fps games

[viscid jungle]

That just points to chronic weakness

[long obsidian]

guy's getting dunked on by everyone

[royal patrol]

we're talking about mice there's nothing to dunk on

[viscid jungle]

You should be able to flick and move a slightly heavier mouse almost exactly the same speed

[steady hatch]

membrane keyboard and a $240 mouse

[royal patrol]

at the same speed sure, not the same accuracy

[viscid jungle]

How

[steady hatch]

speed

[royal patrol]

wym how

[viscid jungle]

How is it not the same accuracy

[spark hatch]

That doesn't make sense

[royal patrol]

mass is easier to stop if there's less

[viscid jungle]

If you have no arms

[spark hatch]

Why would you be able to move at the same speed bit not accuracy

[royal patrol]

youll overshoot when trying to flick and land on a tiny head with a 142g mouse

[viscid jungle]

If yu can't pretty much instantly stop a 70g mouse you need a priest

[steady hatch]

Its like stopping accidents

[royal patrol]

youll have to stop, overshoot, and correct

instead of just being able to stop directly on target

[viscid jungle]

Nobody playing FPS on 142g

[steady hatch]

speeding isnt the issue but stopping is

[royal patrol]

exactly

[long obsidian]

god damn man, yo spitting fires one after another

[royal patrol]

speaking of that i cant imagine how big the brakes are on the new electric hummer

[viscid jungle]

Do you have a glass mouse mat and glass skates

[royal patrol]

thing is 9000lb

[steady hatch]

Gaming on a cinder block

[viscid jungle]

Wtf that's huge

[royal patrol]

you mean a logitech g502?

[long obsidian]

like the money needed to buy the mouse

[steady hatch]

then you can talk about stopping mass

[steady hatch]

no a literal cinder block

[royal patrol]

yeah, the g502

[viscid jungle]

You could buy 3 hummers or have a 20g lighter mouse that feels like ass

Pick

[long obsidian]

but but, it's light mouse

[viscid jungle]

Understandable, have a nice day

[steady hatch]

New mouse $240 a gym membership $30

[long obsidian]

30 gym = gains
240 mouse = less weight

[royal patrol]

the best option is gains + lighter mouse

[viscid jungle]

Yeah fr you could lift for about 3 days and get the effects of having a lighter mouse

[royal patrol]

it's not a speed or fatigue problem it's an accuracy problem

[viscid jungle]

What about jitter for precise aim

Are you a 40dpi char

Chad

[royal patrol]

i dont experience shakes or jitter when playing on a light mouse

if you do then you need to adjust for a couple days or lower your sensitivity

[steady hatch]

Thats because you need to train

[viscid jungle]

Damn my guy should take up shooting

[royal patrol]

yes that's a factor but it's still objectively easier to play with a lighter mouse if all other things are equal

[viscid jungle]

Bruh 💀

[steady hatch]

Brain + muscles = better aim

[long obsidian]

how is it objective

[viscid jungle]

Why don't all pros play on a mouse sensor

[royal patrol]

all else equal (shape, comfort, sensor performance) it's easier to stop a lighter object more consistently

it's simple man

[viscid jungle]

Yeah but you will get jitter unless you use a super low sense or are literally super human

[steady hatch]

that mouse doesnt weigh 20kg

[royal patrol]

that's just not true man

[viscid jungle]

And the stopping a lighter object is super insignificant

If you can't stop a 70g mouse properly

Then ok fair

[royal patrol]

if your cursor is going nuts when trying to play with a light mouse your sens is way too high or you have bad muscle control

my aim is substantially more steady with a lighter mouse

[viscid jungle]

Not nuts but micro jitter

[royal patrol]

yeah ive never seen that happen outside of people who use crazy high sens

[viscid jungle]

So you have a perfectly stable and still are when aiming very precisely

And tracking

Tracking is easier on a heavier mouse

[steady hatch]

facts

[viscid jungle]

Him money ig

[steady hatch]

friction makes it easier

[viscid jungle]

If he wants to waste it idc

[steady hatch]

Yeah but he was recommending a mouse and I was like nah

coz there isnt a mouse that is the best

[viscid jungle]

He was recommending the 260 mouse

[royal patrol]

i recommended a g pro x superlight a little while ago to someone who asked for a wireless gaming mouse yes

it's a good mouse with an okay shape that's unoffensive

[steady hatch]

Yeah its not a good mouse its overhyped

[viscid jungle]

G pro superlight is a good, light and ergonomic mouse

Imo

[steady hatch]

still overhyped

[viscid jungle]

I used it for a while and was decent for my hand shape

But it isn't worthy of being hailed and the all time best

[royal patrol]

saying it's not a good mouse is dishonest

yes there's higher value mice but the g pro superlight is a good mouse

[viscid jungle]

Like I said I use a viper

[royal patrol]

ive actually used a viper and wasnt a fan of the size

a viper mini wireless would be very cool

[viscid jungle]

Do you have tiny hands?

Fair

My hands are quite big so a mini version would be waaaay too small

[royal patrol]

average i just dont really palm my mouse

i use a mixture of fingertip and claw

[viscid jungle]

R u sure Ur average

[royal patrol]

and im not a fan of long mice or mice that have humps in the back

[viscid jungle]

Cus I claw my viper and it just big enough

I hate the basilisk

Ew

The hump is awful

[royal patrol]

well yeah a basilisk is a g502

horribly heavy mouse

[viscid jungle]

It's fine for me

[royal patrol]

i use my g305 with the battery cover off because it removes the back hump

[viscid jungle]

But I'm fairly big so idk

G305 is such a mouse for 30

Literally would not need anything better

[royal patrol]

if it was like 50g sure

but nearly 90 is not satisfying to me after using 51

almost double what i had previously

[viscid jungle]

Light mouse train makes no sense

[swift forge]

welp the Deathadder V2 from Razer must be your mortal enemy then

[swift forge]

MMO players use a high DPI to ignore the weight, much like I did using the G502 on a regular basis

[royal patrol]

yeah if i was forced to use a heavy mouse id solely wrist aim

but i prefer hybrid aiming

[swift forge]

same here, I'm using 1200 DPI which is hybrid movement that doesn't rely solely on wrist or arm movement, requires both at 0.6 sens

[royal patrol]

im comfortable with 1600dpi at the desktop

0.6sens in csgo

[swift forge]

that would be 960 eDPI

[royal patrol]

43.3cm/360

[swift forge]

thats how far you move your mouse for a 360, correct?

[royal patrol]

yeah it's the more universal way to measure sensitivity

since it's not game specific

[swift forge]

how do you figure out the tracking distance?

[royal patrol]

i use game:game sensitivity converters to find my cm/360 because it usually lists it

[swift forge]

I see

[gusty pivot]

Top: NZXT Function with new turquoise pudding keycaps and o-rings. Gonna swap the Gateron reds for Sakurios and lube those.
Bottom: 1989 Cherry G80-1000 HAD with vintage MX blacks from my dad.

[spark hatch]

why did you get teh function?

[supple gust]

I have large, strong hands so for me the heavier the better tbh

as long as crisp click

[spark hatch]

idrc about clicks but I do agree that the heavier mice are alot nicer to use

[swift forge]

Lighter ones omit a lot of buttons for sure, and don't really offer as much functionality

[gusty pivot]

I wanted a full size keyboard with full metal casing, hot swappable switches, rgb, removable cable and status lights. And this was basically the only one I could find that fit all the criteria. It's super massive, you could kill a man with it. Liking it a lot so far.

[spark hatch]

there are lots of better options that fit that criteria but alr

glad you like it ig

[spark hatch]

I personallty find I aim alot worse with them too, I have pretty shaky hands and find my self making small movemts I dont intend to make with light mice

[swift forge]

Thats why I turn the DPI down

then it makes my aim more precise

and the sensitivity in-game

[spark hatch]

I dont like having to franticalcally pick up my mouse 18 times just to make a full revolution

that doesnt solve/fix the issue

[swift forge]

I aim slightly worse with my Pro X Superlight from Logitech, but I can make my movements faster since its not such a burden compared to my G502

[swift forge]

I only turned my DPI down by 400, from 1600

you get used to it

[gusty pivot]

Forgot to mention I wanted a German layout. Not all keyboard manufacturers offer that. Glorious would've been an option without the status light, but I wanted those.

[swift forge]

and I do use a higher DPI on my G502 because its too heavy for 400 or 800

[spark hatch]

I do not have any issue moving around the 502 I dont see how so many people have issues moving it, you should be strong enough to move it with ease

[swift forge]

when you come back to it from a Glorious Model O ._.

[spark hatch]

keychron fair enough tho that does kill alot of options

[swift forge]

or a Pro X Superlight like me

59g vs 120g

💀

[spark hatch]

I see

[swift forge]

sure yea my hands naturally adjust to both but within the first few hours or so its a pain to switch

[spark hatch]

I dont really have acces to light mice anyway the lightest one i havae acces to is the gloriou model d/O but they're amongs the worse for what I would use them for

[swift forge]

well the cheapest light gaming mouse that is actually decent might as well be the Roccat Kone Pro/Pro AIr

its affordable enough, has a paracord cable (charging cable for Pro Air which is receiver wireless), virgin-grade PTFE feet

and a low lift-off distance

the shape does look peculiar though

and Roccat Swarm is sometimes a pain in the ass

[spark hatch]

I could use the kone pro but its getting alittle light for my aplication, 90 grams with the stickers still on the skates is pretty much the swea spot

[swift forge]

I see

[spark hatch]

havent had issues with it

[royal patrol]

high dpi low ingame sens > low dpi high ingame sens

[swift forge]

Yea us enthusiasts can get used to it real quick, I try to teach my friend Logitech G HUB he passes on peacefully internally

[royal patrol]

unless the mouse sensor is crap which is kind of irrelevant nowadays

[swift forge]

exactly me

[spark hatch]

I do alot of drag clicking so any mouse I use needs ajustible debouce times and a high enough friction to not move around too much

[swift forge]

I use 1200 DPI, 0.6 sens

[royal patrol]

so you should use the highest dpi you’re comfortable with for regular desktop use and then find your sensitivity

[swift forge]

I do that, constantly 1200 DPI for me but sens variation

[gusty pivot]

If keychron offered a German full size keyboard I'd probably have bought that. Anyway, I'm gonna buy Sakurios next month and lube them. Pretty excited how they will feel and sound. After that I'm gonna use the Gateron from the function and build a 60% keyboard with them.

[spark hatch]

or I could just use my preferred dpi all around

[royal patrol]

wouldn’t your preferred dpi be your comfortable dpi like i said

[swift forge]

you mentioned highest DPI, not preferred

[spark hatch]

you said highest dpi, way I read that you mean the highest dpi you find useable

[chilly perch]

Generally what youre comfortable with is what you should use

[royal patrol]

highest that youre comfortable using

which is likely your preferred dpi

[spark hatch]

yea

[chilly perch]

due to the cost of learning new settings if ur actually good at a game then u rly dont wanna change

but if u dont rly care u could change to something that is "better" and get good on it but meh

[spark hatch]

then why didnt you just say that, and if your using your prefered dpi why would you mess with in game sense

[swift forge]

not really, I prefer 1200 DPI but my highest that I'm comfortable with is 2400

[royal patrol]

? sensitivity is not standard across all games

everyone has to figure out what sens they want for each game

[swift forge]

which basically = my Pro X Superlight DPI, and the Logitech G502 minimum default

[royal patrol]

that’s regardless of dpi conversation

[spark hatch]

ok, I couldn not give less of a fuck it all feels the same to me

[royal patrol]

1 on valorant is like 3 on csgo

not exactly but roughly

[spark hatch]

I only play one competitive game so no skin off my nose

good to know ig tho

[royal patrol]

but i was just saying if youre using 400dpi 1.0sens in game it’d be better to use 800dpi 0.5 if you’re still comfortable with that cursor speed on the desktop

higher dpi = lower sensor latency but it starts falling off over around 1600dpi

[swift forge]

I mean Shroud's sens on CS:GO is like 0.12 and on COD MW 0.4 or smth

[royal patrol]

i don’t really understand why they make mice support like 20000dpi

that’s unusable on the desktop

[swift forge]

and his polling rate on Escape from Tarkov is set to 500hz instead of 1000hz since its a survival RPG, he plays for a long time and doesn't wanna charge his G303 all the time

[swift forge]

accuracy of the sensor

typically I see a correlation with higher max DPI = more accurate at lower DPI

[royal patrol]

yeah but diminishing returns for that is completely plateau long before then

anything over like 3200 is worthless

i mean making a sensor that’s capable of hitting 25k is cool but id never have any of the default options you can choose with the dpi button be over 3200

400 800 1600 3200

[swift forge]

well tell me why esports players use the Logitech Pro X Superlight, Razer Viper Ultimate, Logitech G502 Hero instead of the Logitech G203 and Logitech G402

[royal patrol]

because the super light is a good mouse, they’re not using it at 20000dpi

[swift forge]

its mostly sensor accuracy, since those players can see even marginal differences

for example Tfue rages at a 4fps frame drop

because his eyes can perceive it

[royal patrol]

yeah i could tell when my monitor would drop from 144 to 120 randomly

[swift forge]

Tfue can spot 240 ---> 235fps

which is bizzare

[royal patrol]

i can spot 10000 to 9999 😎

[swift forge]

by reading the frame count, for sure

[slate lagoon]

Sure we had this DPI chat last night/yesterday.

[spark hatch]

lmoa

true

[swift forge]

yep

[boreal rivet]

its really not that hard to notice slight dips in framerate if you've been gaming at a set framerate for a while

[swift forge]

True

[chrome raft]

@vale mist thank you for your tip about my switches the other day. I used the linear silent reds and this is the result.

[vale mist]

nice nice

[spark hatch]

Pretty

[silent oyster]

Lookin cute 🥰

[chrome raft]

I got an insane chrome book setup 😂😅

[swift forge]

Steelseries Sensei Ten mouse?

[chrome raft]

Rival 3 wireless

[swift forge]

oh, the body seems slimmer than what I saw of the Rival 3 before

[chrome raft]

It might just be because the pic was taken from further back

[swift forge]

that is one huge mousepad you have, for sure

[chrome raft]

I have one that’s bigger than my desk so I’m stuck with that one

[swift forge]

I might buy the Logitech G240, I game at higher DPI settings and relatively high sensitivity so I don't need a huge QcK large

[worldly shale]

goddamn your mousepad

[spark hatch]

Looks alittle small

[sleek bronze]

They are using it because they are good, those mouses having 20K DPI is a side charateristic that's absolutely irrelevant and just here for marketing purpose
Like the g pro x superlight, it has a perfect wireless performance, good battery and is, well, superlight, while having a good shape that fits most hands and has great finitions
While I wouldn't put that much into a mouse, it's a great mouse, but not because it has 100k DPI

Anyway, back to keebs

I'm still not used to my colemak split corne 😦

[wooden ember]

Super excited for this keeb

[sleek bronze]

Honestly don't understand why are people putting so much money into keebs

[swift forge]

Well you've just given me something else to ponder about; how only mice with extremely overpowered sensors are given great aesthetics and durability ratings, plus exclusive-to-this-series-only features like the Roccat Kone Pro's under-click-panel RGB lighting

[wooden ember]

Because these are fully custom, they become super rare and they are way better in quality (style, sound and feel) than anything you can get mass produced off the shelf

[swift forge]

I did hear something about better tracking accuracy of higher DPI sensors, though I now know of the fact that this is heavily reliant on the company its from

plus higher DPI probably has something to do with lower click latency when it comes to wireless mice, I see the 12000 DPI Logitech G305 having 12ms click latency, compared to the 25K HERO sensor Pro X Superlight

[sleek bronze]

Well I agree with the custom part, but not for 500USD

[swift forge]

though obviously this isn't noticeable without putting into slow-mo a video of click latency

[wooden ember]

That's the cost including extras and shipping. The keyboard case itself it less than $400

[swift forge]

but lets not disregard the exemptions like Tfue who can spot these differences

[sleek bronze]

Because those people do know that they NEED to extremely insane DPI numbers to sell them, so they do it for their top mouse, like it's an easy way to increase "sellability"

[swift forge]

the ASUS ROG Chakram Core be coming out with a 36K DPI sensor this year 💀

[sleek bronze]

You need to look at polling rate (like those "1000Hz") this is the real value you are looking for ^^

[swift forge]

yea true - but both G305 and Pro X Superlight have a max of 1000hz polling rate

and the testing for click latency was set at that

I'm not saying it must have to do with sensor DPI, although I am ever so commonly seeing that

Roccat's Owl-Eye sensor with 19K DPI tops, low click latency of around 7ms for the Kone Pro Air

when wired, then around 9ms wireless

compared to the Steelseries Aerox 3 Wireless, 12K DPI tops 14ms click latency

[sleek bronze]

Even though, 400$ is insane
But well, if you have the money go for it I guess

Personally i'm more in the DIY subcategory of custom keebs. I prefer putting money into tools that can help me do my own designs. They may be less "stylish", but they do have other qualities that you can't have with any other keebs : they are the REAL customs ones
(and it's fun to do ^^ )

[wooden ember]

Everyone has preference

[sleek bronze]

You know that DPI / polling rate for the sensors and click latency are two things that are like TOTALLY not related ?

[swift forge]

thats what I think

[wooden ember]

$400 isn't really that bad... there are keebs that are more than double that... and then sell for triple third party

[swift forge]

but I'm just seeing them as coincidences then, lower DPI sensor = higher click latency

when it comes to wireless gaming mice*

the wired ones break this "rule"

[sleek bronze]

Have you ever thought about how a mouse is made, like electronically speaking ?

I can assure you that click latency and mice sensors are absolutely not related

[swift forge]

hmm, possibly different PCB technologies like optical vs mechanical switches for kbs

yes I know switches aren't a direct part of a keyboard's PCB but its a reference to keypress latency

which can be a topic to start a debate over since there are optical switches which aren't as great as mechanical

[sleek bronze]

Yup

So if you think about the "route" of the click in the mice

You can see it never encounters the optical sensor

So the sensor behing 400k DPI has nothing to do with low click latency

[swift forge]

I haven't come across any really shit switches yet but then again I'm the one who thinks Corsair Vengeance RAM is good until I see no overclock figures ;-;

[sleek bronze]

Of course a really high end mouse will have low latency AND, generally, high DPI, but this is decorrelated

[swift forge]

probably just another business and profiting strategy, istfg

[sleek bronze]

DPIs for mouses ? Yeah it is

[swift forge]

Click latency thats lower in the mice with extreme DPI figures too when it comes to wireless gaming rats 💀

[sleek bronze]

It's a coincidence

Not even a strategy

[swift forge]

its all too common when I look at my perception of rtings.com's reviews of them

[sleek bronze]

If it was a strategy they would tell you "with our 400k dpi mouse you will have lower latency"

[swift forge]

good time to wonder what half the hell the improvements in those esports peripherals are

[sleek bronze]

If they don't even dare to make this lie it's because it's TOOOO fake and stupid

[swift forge]

thats like 8000hz polling rate = guaranteed lower input lag

then I look at my crashing Microsoft Surface Go 3

[sleek bronze]

What they do to improve the click latency ?
They can develop custom wireless protocols that are really well thought and optimized for example
Like wireless gaming headphones, they never use bluetooth if you look at it

[swift forge]

Logitech Lightspeed ^^

[sleek bronze]

Even polling rate isn't tied to input lag ! You can see it as "mouse framerate"
In your monitor screen the input lag isn't your framerate ^^

[swift forge]

I meant for keyboards :p

Corsair bragging about AXON and all that, ig sure rtings found your K65 Mini to have 0.5ms keypress latency at 4000hz but the K70 has 1.3ms at the same setting, find a butane bonfire to light your death sentence pyre Corsair

[sleek bronze]

You do know that 0.5ms or 1.3ms is so low that it's basically irrelevant to look at those numbers ? ^^

No human being in this world can feel the difference between 0.5ms and 1.3ms, it's utterly biologically impossible

[swift forge]

I'm just saying that Corsair is overexaggerating a lot

and obviously these companies are always striving to improve such small factors they've already mastered, so its fun to trigger their OCD if there is like a Corsair worker lurking here

[spark hatch]

How are you still going on about latency shit, it's been 4 nights now

[spark hatch]

It just slips, I've managed to spend 500 cad on a q1 which is considered a "budget" board

Oh why not how oops

Uhm it's a hobby, people put alot of money on stupid stuff that makes them happy

[slate lagoon]

Right! My uncle spent around £800 on pots and pans that you have to oil regularly because they're made of a porous metal.. does it make him a better cook? Nah... but its his money and he enjoys it

Does me sitting here currently lubing up 61 keys make me a better gamer? Nah.. but i'll have a sick sounding keyboard.

[sleek bronze]

Well I can't say anything, I want to buy a 400 dollar microscope to solder RGB Leds on my keyboards

[worldly shale]

hobby make you feel good, spend money on hobby

keep spending more money on hobby until you have reached peak happiness; if not reached destroy yourself in the process, rob bank to get more money and change your name. move to cabin in alaska. start over again until you attain peak joy

[hoary trail]

All to realize: Money will never buy happiness

[sleek bronze]

Well I prefer buying 2-3 keebs for 500$ USD rather than only one
BUT
I guess that there are people that can just ... buy 3 keebs worth 500USD ^^

[worldly shale]

and when that realization starts to depress you as well, you spend more money knowing things can't get worse. this is the Keyboard Endgame

the final step is actually finding out the rk61 with the mx browns was actually not that bad and that you prefer it, ultimately selling all your boards and getting your life back on track. good end

[vocal matrix]

I’ll be happy when I get my hands on an intel gpu

[slate lagoon]

must have some really deep pockets huh? Good luck getting your hands on a new gpu once its released. Scalpers gonna scalp.

[vocal matrix]

Good luck with that

😂

[slate lagoon]

good luck with what?

[steady hatch]

pretty dumb although I spent dumb money on a keyboard I feel no difference

[lilac grotto]

Keeb came in

[unkempt dome]

I really like the keycaps ...

[unkempt dome]

that is some dedication ... but binoculars would work much better ...

also not the ones to do bird observation ...

damn you seems to have the same term for two different objects in english ...

that is what you want right ...

[spark hatch]

I'd assume so

[mighty flicker]

Any reason why my G102 lighsync is having double click issue after a year?

[unkempt dome]

cause logitech tend to do that

[sleek bronze]

Yes of course, and it's 250€ for the cheaper one, 400€ for the better one x)

Stereoscopic microscope is a good way to name those in English

[unkempt dome]

I'll try to remember that

[sleek bronze]

The thing is that with soldering you need space to work, so good spacing between the board and the lens and good overall space (so it needs to have a boom arm or something like that)

[unkempt dome]

watched an ltt video where they tried to repair gpu and they had one with a camera on it ... it was mounted on a boom arm

[sleek bronze]

It works indeed

But you need a good camera too, and a good boom arm

And you don't have depth perception since there is only one "eye"

[unkempt dome]

you have two eyes while looking in but only one with the camera

[sleek bronze]

Yes

And there is trinocular microscope that are just both things united

[delicate fern]

what color spacebar do you guys like?

[unkempt dome]

pink

[ivory heath]

Definitely pink

[spark hatch]

pink

[latent blaze]

Why do they all look like they’re different sizes

pink tho

[wheat vigil]

is it ok to use isopropyl alcohol to clean my keyboard lmfao

[spark hatch]

I think so

I dont see how it would damage it

[wheat vigil]

currently own a varmilo board, specifically the VA87M sea melody. Just afraid that I will destroy the artwork

[spark hatch]

ah

hmm maybe just try it on like a corner?

[unkempt dome]

soapy water would be the safest thing

[wheat vigil]

Alright then. I'm gonna use soapy water for the keycaps and just plain water for the keyboard itself

[delicate fern]

i went with yellow. the bars looked the wrong size because they were. i just grabbed the fist one i saw for color sake

[latent blaze]

Looks good!!

[urban glade]

I used to own dsa milkshake~ I sold it because uniform profile without homing keys was difficult to type on, but it’s very pretty

[delicate fern]

it has homing keys its in the bottom layer

[royal patrol]

that's a cool keyboard

[urban glade]

Do you have dsa or kat, I thought dsa from the pic but maybe I’m wrong

Dsa did not have homing keys

F and J used the same moulds as the other alphas

No bar/dot/scoop

[delicate fern]

its dsa just shipped this week

[urban glade]

Oh was there an r2? Lol

[delicate fern]

yeah there is cherry dsa profile in this run

[urban glade]

I had r1, back in 2019

[delicate fern]

ahh

[urban glade]

I prefer more simple caps now

Hhkb and gskt00

[delicate fern]

Waiting for caps for this board

its my favorite layout

[urban glade]

Just my 2 60%s for now, but I have a few more tkls

Nice

I used to fuck with that stuff

But I prefer more typical layouts

Was fun though

[delicate fern]

i have 2 tkl, 1 60. 2 75, 1 model m

[urban glade]

6 tkl
2 or 3 60
2 split tkl ish
2 full-size
1 cp1800

I think that’s it all

Oh I have an M122 I guess too lol

[royal patrol]

my only custom board is my current 60%

i dropped down from TKL to try it out and i think ill go back to 75% next time i build a board

[analog wyvern]

Done with the keyboard mods

[sly gull]

nice setup

[royal patrol]

interesting setup

[analog wyvern]

Also dont mind the coffee table + ratan chair

[royal patrol]

i mean it's pretty based

[sly gull]

this is mine (not my pic tho)

[analog wyvern]

Also

I went with ABS keycaps unfortunately due to the colors

Its too dark for the color scheme that i wanted (the PBT ones)

[sly gull]

i gotta use this til my macbook comes in from ebay in a few days. my hp laptop is being funky so this is my dad's old laptop that i'm using windows off a usb drive

[analog wyvern]

At least its ASUS, even their entry level ones are pretty reliable

I meant compared to Lenovo's entry level ones

Mine has broken mainboard replaced 3 times in the last 2 years

[sly gull]

my hp is 11 years old so the keyboard got funky, so did my controller and the mouse but the mouse was less funky

this is like... 4 years old

[analog wyvern]

Mine is 6 years for the old ASUS (i3-6006U abused with Genshin + barely run games)

[sly gull]

this has like a celeron n4000

[analog wyvern]

And 1 teeny weeny fan

[sly gull]

i just play minecraft and watch youtube

[analog wyvern]

That keeps getting hot

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