peripherals

[spark hatch]

I see

Yea I'd recommend the keychron c2

[heavy herald]

thanks, will def give it a looksee

what would actually be required if i were to swap the switches out of my current keyboard, is it complicated?

or does it depend if the keyboard is built to even allow for swappable switches? (i don't know if you can do it on just any one)

i would totally keep this board if it was possible to do that but somehow i doubt it.

[spark hatch]

Unless that board is hot swap, which it doesn't look like it is. You'd have to disassemble it desolder all the switches and then solder in new ones

[heavy herald]

ahhh yeah as i figured.

okie dokes, i will keep hunting

[spark hatch]

I think ltt did a video on how to do it if you wanted to do thst

It's not to hard

[heavy herald]

i like that keychron c2 btw, it just seems a bit more closed up than I'd like.

[spark hatch]

Why's it matter so much if it's floating?

[heavy herald]

because then i can just take a blower to it, any mess can just fly right out.

[spark hatch]

It'll still clean well

If it absolutely has to be open k10 is floating and I think glorious is going to be releasing a floating board soon but it doesn't look fabulous

[heavy herald]

hmm, alrighty. thanks for the info though it's appreciated excuse my pickiness.

[vale mist]

floating keyboards just look dirty on the surface

when it's closed off it naturally looks cleaner than it actually is

[heavy herald]

true, hides what lies beneath.

i just like that i can stand a floating board upwards and everything that isn't caked on just drops right out. don't have to bang on the back of the board or anything, only take the key caps off to get some of the hairs wrapped around and some of the fine dust.

[spark hatch]

Yea I agree personally hate floating caps

I don't think closed boards are that much worse to clean than floating

[vale mist]

and also imo non floating sounds better because the sound can reverb in the case more

[spark hatch]

If you used compressed air most dust will get blown off

Yea also that

[heavy herald]

hmm you both make valid points

im just stubborn and used to what i have i suppose.

so silent red switches would prob sound even quieter in a non-floating config.

certainly something to consider.

[spark hatch]

I wouldn't say they're any quiter on a floating or closed board, just on a closed board the sound from the switch can reverb in the case giving it better acoustics

But that doesn't matter a ton since if you're getting silent switches there's not much to reverb

[heavy herald]

ahhh

[full hull]

The only way to make a keyboard silent is to use mini o-rings

With linear switches

[vale mist]

silent switches + orings + qmx clips + car sound dampening foam

[full hull]

Does case foam affect keyboard sound even with O-rings?

I'm pretty sure it doesn't no since you don't bottom out anymore

[vale mist]

it should still

I have orings and there still is a bottom out sound

[swift forge]

Yea Ik, they use literal earphones for game audio despite having noise cancelling headsets with like 100mm drivers that could’ve been more accurate at audio reproduction

They mostly use the headset for its boom mic and playing white noise so they can’t hear the crowds cheering and raging at a comp

[full hull]

How? Are yours like 1mm thick or something?

[vale mist]

I use 2 of them per key and I think they're around 1.5 mm

[full hull]

Hmmm weird

I don't recall my keyboard making like any noticeable bottom out noise with the black o-rings

[chrome raft]

proof that o-rings are useless

[vale mist]

it's quite a bit more muted than nothing at all

[chrome raft]

just get silent switches

[vale mist]

do they sell silent flaretech switches if so be my guest

or silent Lekker switches

[chrome raft]

what vendor r u talking about

[vale mist]

any vendor

[chrome raft]

optical switches suck

doesnt feel as good as mechanical switches

[vale mist]

they have advantages and disadvantages

[chrome raft]

most things do as well

[vale mist]

https://tenor.com/view/preference-glarses-mx-brown-cherry-mx-brown-keyboard-gif-21044520

not to mention

[chrome raft]

not to mention what

[chrome raft]

ok fair point

[spark hatch]

preference. "not to mention preference"

[vale mist]

I'm sorry I'm on mobile

[chrome raft]

is it just me or does this sentence makeno sence

[spark hatch]

is that better?

I was just quoting glaxes

[chrome raft]

ok

[chrome raft]

sorta ig

[vale mist]

glaxes quoting glarses

[spark hatch]

lmao yea

[vale mist]

yes my name was derived from the word glasses just like glarses

the main difference would be mine is the American English version

[spark hatch]

ah

idek what my name is, I thought of it to annoy a friend and ended up keeping it

[vale mist]

Heh Ryzen core i7

at first it looks normal then you look at it a bit closer then you realize

at least that was it for me

[spark hatch]

is sad how many poeple tell me "ThOse aRe 2 difFereNt bRanDs" like you think I didnt know that?

[spark hatch]

ye I dont think many people notice

[vale mist]

I've been called galaxies many times before

like how

[spark hatch]

yikes, thats not even remotely close

well actually ig I can see how that would happen but still,

[vale mist]

it is what it is

still far better than my last username

oh boy

[spark hatch]

waht was it?

[vale mist]

it's really cringy

[spark hatch]

myn prolly wasnt much better, myn was logically77

I came up with it when I was 6

[chrome raft]

technically AMD core_i7 would sound better but i digress

[spark hatch]

eh I like it the way it is

[chrome raft]

ok

[spark hatch]

I'd prefer being called ryzen over amd

[chrome raft]

wait actually

[chrome raft]

ok fair enough

[vale mist]

my old username was ggking like bruh

I still hate it

[spark hatch]

I believe I was 6 yea I might have been 7 tho it was a long time ago

[spark hatch]

its not terrible I've seen worse tbh

[chrome raft]

same

[spark hatch]

maybe not quite as bad but one of my old users was StanFordPines

[chrome raft]

still not good

[wooden ember]

Bam!

[full hull]

The ones on top ARE the guys using earphones

Since you're literally only able to use those in majors

You put them under the noise cancelling headgear

[supple gust]

yes, of course those are not “shitty apple earpods” however. They’re quality IEMs.

[full hull]

In Masters Iceland Pros were literally complaining that they couldn't hear anything because of the white noise they were being fed through the headset. Since Riot didn't allow anyone to use earphones.

[full hull]

They literally look like Samsung free earbuds

IEMs would be incredibly uncomfortable

[supple gust]

not in the pros lmao, and they’re all on a level playing field.

[full hull]

The other popular option is like razer earbuds but those are also dogshit

[vale mist]

apple earpods are more decent than you think

[supple gust]

I’ve played Val with them on trips, they’re not horrible but I’m definitely at a disadvantage

[unkempt dome]

Still better than most gaming headset

[vale mist]

We're done with this shit conversation please stop coming back to it

I don't care what audio you use, just stop forcing your opinions on people who don't know

[boreal rivet]

LOL have you watched any pro cs

At all

[full hull]

The only time like Pros use headphones are like Tournaments that have enough budget for soundproof booths or online qualifiers

[supple gust]

valorant isn’t CS

[boreal rivet]

Same shit with worse mechanics

Cope

[full hull]

In Valorant it's 10000x worse

Literally in Masters Iceland the headphones they were given had so much white noise players had a hard time hearing gunshots

[supple gust]

yeah, and surprise surprise that’s the optimal configuration. They just have to deal with shitty headphones for the sake of everyone being equal in a tourney

[supple gust]

yeah… and that was. A. HUGE. PROBLEM.

[full hull]

And then the next masters they just used earphones for LAN

[supple gust]

it’s just not though; gunfire mechanics are objectively better, hit boxes are better, movement is more realistic (other than being overly slowed) etc

by overly slowed I meant in val when you’re hit by gunfire

[full hull]

Gunfire of Valorant is better are you serious?

[boreal rivet]

Keep on that copium sheesh

[supple gust]

oh absolutely

[full hull]

With literally random spray patterns??????

[boreal rivet]

Easier is better KEK

[supple gust]

spray patterns are far more consistent wtf are you talking about

[full hull]

What????

[supple gust]

they are legit just backwards 7s

it’s not random in the slightest; RNG only comes into play when moving

[boreal rivet]

Valorant is literally easier cs mate

You don't have to cope about it

[supple gust]

it’s just not; only cope here is from you. You’re trying to make this a discussion over which is better, they’re different. CS is awesome, a classic. But Valorant is nothing like it as far as mechanics etc. Abilities are entirely different too.

Just because the GUI is more appealing doesn’t mean it’s just “easier CS” lmao

[boreal rivet]

Val abilities are simply dumbed down smokes and flashes with a few unique ones tossed in LOL

[supple gust]

you clearly haven’t played val lmfaooo

that’s just objectively false

[full hull]

You can fully spray control a full AK mag in CS

[supple gust]

you can fully spray control a full vandal mag in Valorant, it’s just more difficult

[boreal rivet]

Don't have to play shit game to watch it

[supple gust]

😏

[boreal rivet]

Everything in valorant is an easier version of its cs equivalent

Only thing that's harder is that awp

Which it rightfully is since the movement is fucking ass

[supple gust]

you don’t have to be so salty about it, it’s entirely different. Just because you’re malding about CS losing market share to a game that’s more fun for people like me who like more whimsical games

[supple gust]

HA

[full hull]

The spray patterns are random in Valo after a few bullets literally go to a test and spray 2 mags you'll notice that it looks different after like 7 bullets or so distribution becomes way more random

[supple gust]

anyway had to respond to the movement thing, leaving off from here- Val is just more fun. I don’t know why your neckbeard ass is insisting on picking on Valorant just because you like CS; I love CS and play it too. I’m just not a dogmatic shit about it lmao

[full hull]

Like it follows a set rail but the deviation is way too high to control

[supple gust]

it’s predictable deviation; it’s only difficult to control if you’re not great at aiming yet. Just hit the range tbh

[full hull]

It's not predictable

You can only predict which part of the rail you're at

How can you predict something that's random?

[supple gust]

unless you’re moving, yeah it is. But if you’re a halfway decent player (or even out of iron) you shouldn’t be spraying a whole mag

[full hull]

The deeper into the spray the worse the random deviations get

[supple gust]

there’s an ADS mechanic that removes RNG from select guns. You should never spray with rifle, but for example SMGs and machine guns have a set deviation while ADSing as well

[full hull]

Spray transfer?

[supple gust]

tap firing

spray transfer is for SMG and LMG

[full hull]

That'll only work if they're way worse than you

[supple gust]

…no. It’ll work even if they’re better than you, as long as you have good crosshair placement.

[full hull]

You literally cannot tap two people unless they are dogshit

Or you catch them by surprise

[supple gust]

that’s kinda the point, peeking at the right time and holding single engagements

you peek progressively so that you don’t have to fight two people at once

although with Phantom spray transfer is alright

mostly Vandal that you can’t do it except at close range

[full hull]

No guns have a good spray pattern

[supple gust]

you’re just not good enough dude. It’s OK, you’ll improve, or you don’t have to play if you don’t like it.

[full hull]

Literally read the dev logs they admit that they're using pseudo random distribution for the latter part of your spray

[full hull]

Are you immortal?

[supple gust]

Are you?

[full hull]

I am

[supple gust]

I’m plat 2 currently, immo2 peak lmao

did you just place in and never play comp again?

[full hull]

No I made Radiant last season

SEA too the land of pugstars

Easy to climb if you're like one of 4 Breach players

[supple gust]

absolutely no way, with that dipshit spray opinion

OH SEA LMAOOO

my peak in SEA is immo3, haven’t played this act

I main breach and Raze

I thought you meant NA

[full hull]

Why do you main Breach and Raze

NA is easier

[supple gust]

because i’m based

[full hull]

Because the spray is still maneagable but the spray in CS is just way better

[supple gust]

then why do I kick ass in Immo in SEA and have to actually try in NA, hmm?

[full hull]

Literally impossible unless you move countries every few weeks

Ping will kill you

[vale mist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BTdAaBimFA

explain this to me based if input latency matters so much

[supple gust]

that’s literally the point tho, the point in val is that you should be actually good at aiming and not need to spray a mag

if you’re spraying a full mag in valo you’re just bad

[full hull]

In Valorant I've run into plenty of situations where if I had an AK I get 3 instead of 2

[supple gust]

I wasn’t the one talking about input latency

that was uh

hold on lemme find the thread

[vale mist]

you were complaining about keychron

[full hull]

Input latency in keyboards is like 99% switch type

[full hull]

That was the other guy

[full hull]

I'm not full spraying, it's just that after like 10 bullets or so the spray is too random

[vale mist]

oh oops

[supple gust]

that was Pyro

[supple gust]

is ok

[full hull]

I think it's coded that post 7 bullets pseudo random range becomes higher

Which is like annoying because in CS you can actually just mow down people if you memorize the spray pattern

[supple gust]

RNG range depends on gun, it’s very clearly detailed in the buy menu

[supple gust]

yeah cs is a lot easier in that regard lmao

i love CS

[full hull]

I'm playing breach you think I'm dumb enough to play close?

Good breach players play rotate because their utility is the most important thing for entry and retake

If your breach is playing battle breach they suck

[supple gust]

Yeah, that’s how I play breach, retakes. When did I say anything about playing close? I just said spray was detailed in the buy menu

[full hull]

If you die before using stun twice you are dogshit

[supple gust]

I dislike playing close in, which is most of why I play raze and breach. i’m generally last alive lmao

Raze gives me time to think

[full hull]

Unless like you rushed a site or just playing eco

[supple gust]

real and true

[full hull]

The amount of breaches I see that die with like one flash is sad

[supple gust]

especially when I’m spectating someone else play breach and do that lmao

like “i could’ve played breach this game rip”

[full hull]

The only time you shouldn't have utility is for pistol rounds so you can afford a Frenzy

[supple gust]

FELLOW FRENZY WORSHIPPER

YES

[mortal marsh]

I plopped this in the wrong channel oops

I pillow modded my el-cheapo Redragon K530 Dragonborn

it uses unlubed Outemu Reds

[rancid topaz]

bruh, if you want "el-cheapo" check out my redragon k552 lmao

[full hull]

Can't the pillow fibers fry your keyboard

Aren't they like static generators

[mortal marsh]

well it wasn't fluff, it was more of a spongey foam

[vale mist]

still not antistatic foam

[boreal rivet]

but thock right? RIGHT??

[mortal marsh]

The only model of the k552 I can get is blue switches

[rancid topaz]

i have the red switch ones

with the "rgb"

[full hull]

How good are keychron keycaps?

Compared to say Tai Hao Cubic and Corsair Pro

worth the price premium or like no?

[spark hatch]

I think they're pretty good

[full hull]

but worth the price premium?

[spark hatch]

They're pbt are alittle to be desired

But abs is pretty good

[full hull]

OEM profile

[spark hatch]

Ehh if you like one of there designs and there's nothing similar they're not bad but if you get one of there pbt sets don't be surprised if one or 2 caps aren't aligned properly

[full hull]

might just go with tai hao cubics

[spark hatch]

I quite like they're abs caps tho

[spark hatch]

How much are they?

[full hull]

10$ cheaper

[spark hatch]

Yea maybe it's better to go with those

Where are you buying from? For me they're the same price

[full hull]

locally

[spark hatch]

Ah I see

[full hull]

well I can get direct from China too

GMK clones

from like my favorite Factory

[spark hatch]

I see

[full hull]

Is this GMK clone?

Doesn't say GMK in the listing and I'm not updated

[spark hatch]

I have no idea, Im not up to date with all the mgk sets

It looks like it could be?

[full hull]

Looks like Arctic

But the colors are different enough

The least morally reprehensible GMK Clone

[spark hatch]

Oo that's nice

[unkempt dome]

Well at some point there won't be any color scheme left anyway so any color set will be considered clone of something anyway

[round silo]

I'm looking for a reccomendation for a budget gaming mechanical gaming keyboard (1 wireless and 1 wired)

[boreal rivet]

a colorway is not an IP

none of these are technically clones

"legit" designers basically steal colorways from other IPs and no one cares lol

[swift forge]

Razer Cynosa/Logitech G213 Prodigy if you're a membrane aficionado otherwise the EVGA Z15 has hot-swappable switches and wireless = not a budget gaming kb

[round silo]

is the romer G switches from logitech g613 not good enough for gaming?

[swift forge]

ah sure they are, but no RGB lighting

and that keyboard is a bit.... old

[round silo]

i'm not into RGB lighting anyways.

[swift forge]

oh alr

though I'd go for the G512 carbon tbh

its a better deal

[round silo]

do you have an alternative for it though?

[swift forge]

and it has USB passthrough for receivers and wired mice

[swift forge]

well if you're speaking budget, not really

expensive wireless I do but 🤷‍♂️

you did ask for both wireless and wired opinions but if you're ditching the latter then I'm out of ideas

[round silo]

Can I hear it though? 😄

[swift forge]

Razer Blackwidow V3 Hyperspeed, Razer Blackwidow V3 Pro, Corsair K57, Obinslab Anne Pro 2, Logitech G915 and G915 TKL

[ionic briar]

kemove 61 as well

[swift forge]

there aren't many wireless gaming keyboards, a lot of wireless technology has mostly been centred around gaming mice

I can list like quite a few gaming wireless mice if I researched, there'd be a ton more than kbs

[ionic briar]

its more like there arent many 2.4ghz wireless keyboards

[swift forge]

notably: Logitech Pro X Superlight, Logitech G Pro Wireless, Logitech G703, Logitech G903, Logitech G604, Glorious Model O, O-, D, D- Wireless, Corsair Dark Core RGB Pro, Razer Basilisk Ultimate, Razer Viper Ultimate, Razer Deathadder V2 Pro, Steelseries Aerox 3 Wireless, Steelseries Rival 650

these are all 2.4Ghz receiver wireless ofc, thats the most reliable wireless tech rn esp for esports where you need the best of the best basically

some of them support bluetooth wireless too

like the V2 Pro I believe, and Aerox 3

[round silo]

Guys, Logitech G613 or Corsair K57?

[swift forge]

maybe the Glorious although I'm not sure

[swift forge]

I'll check reviews

[swift forge]

well the G613 has no backlighting, and the K57 are rubber dome switches

so you're gonna need to be under a lamp at night using the G613 if you can't blind type like me :p

but overall the G613 is better, honestly just get a wired gaming keyboard

those are so much better

if you're gonna constantly move ur kb around to accommodate room for other things, get a smaller sized wired kb like a TKL or 60% format

the first is minus a numpad, second minus the numpad plus the prtsrc, scrlk, pause, ins, home etc button keycaps

[round silo]

What are your recommendations for a moderately priced mechanical gaming keyboards? 😄

[round silo]

Sadly I can't go with TKL keyboards since I always use spreadsheets

[swift forge]

If you need absolute budget look no further than a Razer Blackwidow V3 TKL which is TKL and USB-C cable wired, or the G512 Carbon which is full-size and has USB passthrough

the G512 requires two USB ports to be fully functional though because there is an extra USB port on the kb which is the passthrough, and USB only allows one device per connection meaning separate ends for the kb and passthrough

you can also opt for the EVGA Z15, though software is shitty

but you can hot swap switches on that

[strong seal]

A kb that uses 2 USB ports. Dang

[swift forge]

USB passthrough :p

[strong seal]

Yeah idk what that is lol

[swift forge]

If you want a good full size for a decent price go for the HyperX Alloy Origins then

[strong seal]

I don’t know anything abt usb or kbs

[swift forge]

basically a keyboard being a secondary port hub, has a spare USB-A port on the keyboard you can directly plug a wired or receiver wireless mouse into instead of having to reach into a PC case and find a motherboard connector for the mouse

[strong seal]

Ahh ok

Makes sense

[swift forge]

but, as per USB rules only one device can be powered by a single port at a time

[strong seal]

Although that would look wierd

Having a long mouse cord reach down then back up to the kb

[swift forge]

so its only logical to splice the ends of a data cable for a USB pass kb, one ending for kb connection and another for passthrough

[unkempt dome]

Any akko multimode keyboard have 2.4ghz

Also the durgod fusion has 4.2ghz

[plucky locust]

I've used Logitech K740 keyboard for 5 years, now spacebar key is broken and I would like use it as opportunity to try something new. I am looking for non RGB , white backlight only, not loud, no ghosting , full size keyboard. So far I've noticed this "Keychron K10 Wireless Mechanical Keyboard " (can be used as wired too) with red or brown switch . Seems like a good fit for my demands.
My uses are "escape from tarkov", "bannerlord" games mainly and work where I need numpad, so I prefer full size. Any other advise or recommendation? I'm not noob in all mechanical keyboards and mostly want a not loud , 5 years working product, budget around 100-150$

[unkempt dome]

Don't base keyboard purchase on the game you're playing cause it doesn't really matter ... same for the switches ...

If you want not loud then go for silent switches

Get a board with the features you need

So if the k10 fits what you need then go for it and replace the switches with some silent ones if the board you get is hotswap

That's what I would do in your situation

[plucky locust]

Thank you for replying!!
I would like to get as much as possible "out of box" experience. Basically reason I bought k740 originally was as i've looked for wired , backlighted and silent keyboard. Basically my demands are same, just curious if I could find anything similar with perks for mechanical keyboard.

[strong seal]

^^ this is the type of guy we need more of

So I’m getting a 60% mechanical kb. I’ve asked before abt the RK ROYAL KLUDGE RK61 and everyone said it was pretty good for the price. Just wanna make sure I have most ppls opinions on it.

[ionic briar]

then you would be looking for boards that comes with "silent" switches (those have rubber dampeners where the slider hits the housing to reduce noise)
leopold offers products with similar aesthetic to the k740 (the likes of fc900r and fc980m) if thats what you prefer

they dont come with backlighting tho

[ionic briar]

yea its good for what it is at its price point

[blissful bough]

what keyboard should i buy

im looking for a mechanical keyboard that is kind of clacky and is relatively cheap

[ionic briar]

how cheap?

and where are you from?

[blissful bough]

australia

and around $150 aud

idk what that is in usd

oh its 114 in usd

[ionic briar]

okay
do you have a preference for the size of the keyboard and also how the switch feels?

[blissful bough]

i like 75%

because i never use num pad

and

i guess some good rgb

and preferably black

[strong seal]

Cool

[strong seal]

75% is nice

[blissful bough]

yes

[plucky locust]

backlight is important, fc980m with yellow print is nice though.

[ionic briar]

varmillo has options with static backlighting
tho from what i observe the stock for the slient switch option throughout their lineups is rather scarce

[eager kiln]

guys, is there anyway to turn off keyboard on laptop so you can use mechanical keyboard

[full hull]

uninstall keyboard drivers

Should find it in device manager

But like why

just plug in your keyboard

[eager kiln]

but when i unplug my keyboard

[full hull]

do you have your mechanical keyboard on top of your laptop?

[eager kiln]

i gotta reset my laptop

[eager kiln]

yes

i leave it on my laptop keyboard

so some time it gets annoying

[full hull]

well unless you have like an Asus gaming laptop that feature just doesn't exist

[strong seal]

Just leave the keyboard on.. there’s no need to turn it off

[vale mist]

you could just disable the device in device manager @eager kiln

[eager kiln]

oh i figured it out, thank guys

[lilac goblet]

how good is the logitech g815 its on a very nice deal and ive been looking at it for a while now

[spark hatch]

bad, how much is it going for?

[lilac goblet]

80 euros

[onyx oriole]

whats green vs yellow switches?

looking at scooping a new razer keyboard. Kinda spilt margarita on my old one and control sticks now..

[spark hatch]

dont get a razer board

[onyx oriole]

?

[spark hatch]

If I remember right yellow is there linear option and green is clicky

[spark hatch]

they're over priced and poorly made

whats your budget?

[onyx oriole]

120ish

[spark hatch]

usd I assume?

[onyx oriole]

yes

[spark hatch]

unless you really value wireless I wouldnt say thats worth it, but way better than the usually 300$ price tag

[onyx oriole]

unless whatever you're going to suggest connects with razer chroma I dont think I'll be interested. All my other peripherals are razer

[spark hatch]

what size would you want?

[onyx oriole]

full

[spark hatch]

how about no software at all?

[onyx oriole]

eh

[spark hatch]

what do you need with the software?

[onyx oriole]

RGB

[spark hatch]

what kind of patterns do you want?

[onyx oriole]

whatever I want. and syncing it all with my mouse keyboard and fans.

[spark hatch]

with a budget like that I'd recommend a Leopold board or keychron over a razer any day

https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-c2-wired-mechanical-keyboard?variant=32294075170905

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=22&v=p17lOCAkXzI&feature=emb_title

you can change the colors of those too, they just dont show it in the video

[modest creek]

yaaaaaaaaaas

[sleek bronze]

@modest creek that's neat, it's to have the port not tied to the controller PCB?

[modest creek]

@sleek bronze I have an issue with the original hardwired cable on a Filco

So I need to replace the cable, might as well modernize it

[sleek bronze]

Oh

Okay

I thought this was for a custom build

[modest creek]

Nah

[sleek bronze]

What do you use for soldering ?

I know it's a random question lmao

[rare crown]

Bruh

[sleek bronze]

But I want to upgrade my soldering station so I ask people what they use whenever I can haha

[modest creek]

I use an old Radioshack soldering station... but it's a radioshack branded Hakko

[sleek bronze]

Okay okay

[sleek bronze]

Yeah okay the old style ones

[modest creek]

Yep

old 'n' good

[modest creek]

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=8418

Why is this $390?

[rare crown]

Butterfly keyboard

[potent void]

Still better than the MacBook

[rare crown]

Bruh

It's not

It is junk

It is unexplainably bad

[potent void]

It was a butterfly keyboard joke lol

[spark hatch]

theres quite a few reasons, aluminum build, high quility pbt keycaps, top mounted gasket design, and maybe smthn else im missing

[modest creek]

@spark hatch not hating, thinking of getting it

[spark hatch]

but that not that bad lmao, I have a 500$ main build

[modest creek]

i just want to understand the value

I am on Corsair k65 - I am loving the small form factor

Kinda of miss arrow keys despite me doing a remap

[spark hatch]

honestly I'd personlly lean towards getting the keychron q1 or q3 over that

much cheaper, and im not seeing anything that has that keychron doesnt

[modest creek]

@spark hatch just watched a review and there was nothing super notable about it (the Varmilo)\

Right

[spark hatch]

yea there doesnt seem to be anything special about it

seems pretty standard

[modest creek]

@spark hatch I don't like the look of q3 caps - they seem too rounded

[spark hatch]

you can get different ones, I do agree tho

[modest creek]

its why I like varmilo

[spark hatch]

it would be cheaper to get third part keycaps over the varmilo but fair enough

also do you really care about the flex of the board?

[modest creek]

@spark hatch what do you mean

[modest creek]

I should just stay on K65 Minis

[spark hatch]

sorry, both boards are whats called a gasket mount, this allows them to flex as you type on them giving them a "soft" typing experience

[vale mist]

compared to tray mount like all gaming boards

[spark hatch]

yea

[modest creek]

@spark hatch damnit - I think I'd need to experience that -- where is the gasket -- what layer?

[spark hatch]

in between the top and bottom

one sec I got a digram

[vale mist]

keychron has a squish gif if I'm remembering correctly

[spark hatch]

eh I cant get the gif part but taht how it works

theres like a sample of the flex, myn is modded tho, stock it has less flex

[modest creek]

oh wow

I dunno how I feel about that

[spark hatch]

at the begining It looks really extreme but if you watch while im typing it doesnt move aton

[modest creek]

I am used to it being rigid though

[spark hatch]

I dont think it would bother you

if you need you can put in more gaskets and it'll get stiffer

and stock keychron has abunch of foam in the bottom giving it less travel

[unkempt dome]

Gasket mount is not appealing to me

I have a hard time understanding all the hype about that

[spark hatch]

it is kinda over hyped and on alot of boards they're so god damn stiff you might aswell just use a tray mount but ⭐ Marketing!! ⭐ the few boards that do it right tho, Keychron q series being a good example, I find them very nice to typing on. But everything is preference and some people done like them

[unkempt dome]

Well I'm probably not gonna get a 280$ board just to try that ...

I'll probably wait to find a q2 used

[spark hatch]

fair enough

[grim lance]

I'm looking for a wireless low profile mechanical keyboard which is ideally white

I would also be content with a wireless 60% keyboard (ideally white as well)

[spark hatch]

https://www.keychron.com/collections/low-profile-keyboard-collection

thats your best option, they only have one white model unfortunately and its out of stock atm but keychron is usually quite quick at restocking there products in my experience

[grim lance]

👀

[spark hatch]

acctually it looks like they have 2 whiet models

[grim lance]

i was looking at the nuphy air75 as well

[grim lance]

but it seems like the keycaps will be a pain to replace

[spark hatch]

I actually have no idea what the differnce is but those are both white

[spark hatch]

not really, better than alot of over low profile boards

[spark hatch]

the exact same keycaps and switches

[grim lance]

would i be able to find white keys that are as thin/thinner though?

[spark hatch]

not same keycaps sorry but same profile

[grim lance]

oh yeah well thats all im looking for

[spark hatch]

wdym by that? not sure I follow, it come stock with white caps, or do you mean for the nuphy?

[grim lance]

a lot of the nuphy keys are gray

i would like to replace them with white keys

if possible, id prefer to replace every key on the board for a thinner one

[spark hatch]

yea, uhm caps that low profile arent common but I do think their are acouple vendors that sell them

[grim lance]

👀

[spark hatch]

ones one both nuphy and keychorn are as thin as they can be

[grim lance]

why is that the case?

[spark hatch]

if you want such a thin board why dont you just get like a scissor switch board

[grim lance]

what's that 👁️👁️

[spark hatch]

you cant have a switch thinner than the stem of the swithc

[grim lance]

i do want low latency if possible

[ionic briar]

the demographic for those low profile boards is simply not large in comparisons with traditional mx profile switch

[spark hatch]

laptop keyboards use scissor switches

[grim lance]

they must be thinner than they look

oh i see

what is the difference in latency?

[spark hatch]

both are bluetooth 5.1 I believe

let e check that actually

[grim lance]

how do the switches play into latency is moreso what i mean?

are they relevant to it at all?

[spark hatch]

nuphy is 5.0 and keychron is 5.1

[spark hatch]

nope

[grim lance]

wait

why do so many people opt for mechanical then?

[ionic briar]

cause the feel
most rubber dome membrane has that mushy squishy feel at the end of the keypress

[spark hatch]

^

[grim lance]

dang

thats fr it?

[spark hatch]

longevity

sound

[grim lance]

they arent faster somehow?

[ionic briar]

another reason could be ease of replacement
ghosting on rubber domes are pretty common and replacing the matrix on those is kinda a pita
even with soldered mech boards, the option is there for you to replace individual switches first before the pcb fails

[vale mist]

some mechanical switches are "faster" because the actualtion distance is smaller

and it makes basically no difference for actual use

[spark hatch]

yea

[vale mist]

except you accidentally actuating stuff when you don't mean to

this is from a rythm game player
gaming/speed switches are total marketing bs

and polling rates are quite bs too to a certain extent

for normal shooters 125hz will do just fine

rythm games are the only thing that can actually make use of 1000hz

because of precise timing windows and such

[grim lance]

yeah i prefer like

zero actuation distance

feels so much more smooth to me

[spark hatch]

what are you using rn

[vale mist]

then use a chicklet keyboard

[grim lance]

a mac keyboard

[ionic briar]

hardware based interruption on usb peripherals is not a thing just yet so ironically the "lowest latency" keyboard is actually those that uses the ps/2 connection

[grim lance]

it just doesnt fit the look im going for

also the tab key broke and i never liked the board anyhow

[vale mist]

then again ps2 is limited to 125hz so "gamers" will never use it

[spark hatch]

i'd probably just go for keychron k3

[vale mist]

it's probably because of the orange esc

[spark hatch]

it comes with a white esc

[vale mist]

ye ik

[subtle grotto]

this tes68 some poppy creamy shi

or maybe marbly

[spark hatch]

i'd say marbly

[subtle grotto]

with some pop i'd say

[spark hatch]

yea;

[subtle grotto]

damn the kbd67 lite and tes68 some good shit

especially the tes68

since its like 20 usd lmfao

[full hull]

Jesus fucking Christ why tf does kinetic labs make their switch legs so fucking thick

I have to jam them in just to swap then

Like literally the switch pins go in first but then the plastic legs get stuck

[spark hatch]

I have had no issues with ther legs

just clip them if you have problems

[full hull]

Idk maybe it's just the new batch

[spark hatch]

what switch did you get?

[full hull]

Salmon

[spark hatch]

hmm I havent tried them but I dont see why they would be any differnt

do other 5 pin switchs fit fine in your board?

[full hull]

Yes

Including my old Salmons

Well the new ones I bought fit too but they require way more force

[spark hatch]

ah

it must have just been a bad batch ig

[full hull]

I literally here like the sound of plastic grinding with each switch I put in

[spark hatch]

yikes

[full hull]

I mean like the machining is pretty big yikes ngl

[swift forge]

i'm not that good at keyboards but I assume it has to do with the difference in hole size here?

[full hull]

They're still my favorite tactile switch but like better QC and batch to batch variation would be appreciated for what are pretty expensive switches @spark hatch

One of my favorite

[spark hatch]

ah

I really like there penguins, I havent found a switch I like more

[spark hatch]

not quite those 2 holes are always different

[spark hatch]

that looks pretty nice

[full hull]

Total price: idk like 130$ because the salmon switches I needed were like 50$ local pricing

Keycaps 20$ cheapo, 60$ keyboard, 50$ switches

[spark hatch]

price of the whole build or just mods?

[full hull]

Everything @spark hatch

[spark hatch]

oh, what board is that?

[full hull]

Keydous NJ80

Well not really

But the same OEM model and comes from the same factory

[spark hatch]

ah

[full hull]

It's called Lychee Gaming N80

[spark hatch]

it looks very high quility for the price

I actually thought it was the gmmk pro at first glance

[full hull]

It's a Keydous NJ80

A plastic GMMK pro

[spark hatch]

yea, ah

doesnt even really look plastic in the picture

[full hull]

https://youtu.be/pAyGClVb80s

[full hull]

The Chinese are good at making plastic look premium

[spark hatch]

lmao

yea

sounds pretty decent too, alittle high for my taste but still pretty nice

[full hull]

even has bluetooth lmao

[spark hatch]

damn

[full hull]

60$ barebones pretty nice

[spark hatch]

real bang for your buck build

[full hull]

Well if you know which shops in shopee are just OEM rebranders then yeah easy to get good bang for buck

[spark hatch]

ah

[full hull]

so was pretty easy to find for me

[spark hatch]

I see

[full hull]

Tbh this was the keyboard that was the most interesting to me but literally zero documentation

[spark hatch]

I should learn how to pickout shops like that, seems pretty handy to know

[full hull]

I mean like if you don't live in SEA there are maybe like 1 or two aliexpress shops where that applies

like Cuxiu has an aliexpress storefront

[spark hatch]

ah I see

[full hull]

Keyboard freebie actual wtf is this

is that actually a mini broom + dustpan?

[spark hatch]

is that what the blue thing is?!

bruh

[maiden bronze]

Corsair OPX vs Steelseries Omnipoint???

[ionic briar]

how about wooting hall effect?

[full hull]

Corsair has hall effect too?

also yes wooting makes best gaming keyboard

[ionic briar]

nope, opx is optical

[full hull]

oh then deffo get the Apex Pro @maiden bronze if you can't find wooting

[swift forge]

OPX - faster response time according to rtings, 0.5ms keypress latency vs 3.5ms from Steelseries, basically an optical version of MX Speeds on crack
Omnipoint - actuation point can be adjusted in Steelseries GG software hence Omnipoint but still maintains linear feel, hotswappable keyswitch slots

[maiden bronze]

Looking for an off the shelf board, K70 RGB Cherry MX Brown (OG) is starting to see its days

[maiden bronze]

Mx speeds? can y atell ive been out the game for a bit, last big news i remember was razer moving away from cherry and corsair doing the rgb thing first with cherry

[unkempt dome]

Just get something better than big gaming brand ... they are awfully built ...

[swift forge]

Razer now has their own Razer Green [Clicky], Yellow [Linear], and Orange [Tactile] mech switches as well as Purple [Clicky] and Red [Linear] optical switches, Corsair is using genuine MX switches for their kbs

[maiden bronze]

Anything out there for Mx Greens?

[swift forge]

the Orange switches are extremely rare though, only seen on the original Razer Huntsman, not V2 or any other version

[maiden bronze]

also thanks @swift forge

[swift forge]

np

Corsair's gaming range for kbs is mostly MX Red or Speeds now, you don't see MX Browns or Blues that much apart from the Corsair K70 MK.2 nowadays

[maiden bronze]

rip....

[swift forge]

even the TKL version of the K70 MK.2 is MX Speed

though 8000hz polling rate capable

[maiden bronze]

yeah heard that will be good for when monitor hz start to climb

[swift forge]

some people saying gaming kbs are shit and badly built, I think its just the choice of aesthetic and probably the soldered switches on most

there is the Logitech Pro X with hotswap ability for sure, and lets not forget the Apex Pro from Steelseries with the same hotswap design

[maiden bronze]

yeah idc about hotswap or removable cable, just want somthing that works with the software that i already use and has reliable switches

[maiden bronze]

apex pro is hotswap?

[swift forge]

yes indeed

explains why its extremely expensive in most currencies

Omnipoint tech and hotswappable

plus the OLED display

every key being macro-programmable too

[maiden bronze]

do you know where a guy can find mx greens to swap in as thats a slick kbs

[swift forge]

not really.... I haven't invested this deeply

[maiden bronze]

fair enough

[swift forge]

and don't actually have any experience with MX Greens

[maiden bronze]

ill do my own just thought ide ask while gathering info

[swift forge]

most of my knowledge comes from online research, I'm just a 13yo student with like 24h access to internet

apart from sleeping hours

[maiden bronze]

i do and i love em, I ALWAYS press keys i dont mean/need to

@swift forge out here being a g to someone who got into the game at the same age but that was 10 years ago... Cheers Bro

[swift forge]

no big deal 🤷‍♂️

[swift forge]

removable cable is arguably quite useful as it adds portability to a smaller format keyboard and allows for easy replacements

but hotswap is just skill/interest and choice

[maiden bronze]

no need foor it lol, hotswap is nice if i wanna change later on

[swift forge]

true

if your kb is stationary sure you don't need a cable that can be pulled out by siblings and hidden elsewhere

though I'm beginning to wonder, if USB-C wired kbs can be used over my MacBook's power adapter USB-C cable

[maiden bronze]

well usb 3.0 or whatever its called now standerized power and date over 1 cable

[unkempt dome]

If that's the case then don't get switches that are too light and/or that have a really high actuation point

Also it's not just the feature or lack of features that makes then bad ... keycap quality is mostly crap, stabs are also crap, build is usually not good and you pay price premium for all that

Hotswap is not just for changing the switches if you want to try something else ... it's also to make repairs way easier if you need to change a switch or stab

[fossil tiger]

I have this spare esc key that I want two paint red to match my setup

What’s the best way to do it?

[boreal rivet]

google

[spark hatch]

Corsair and Logitech keyboards are shit, they're the last board I would want to recommend to someone

[spark hatch]

Not necessarily it gives the board an easy upgrade/fixing route if you ever have a switch die it's no big deal to fix while for a soldered board of you don't have the tools or the know how that could be the end of its life span even tho it's PCB could live for another 10 years

Also they said they want green switchs, hot swap is gonna be alot easier for them to get those

[spark hatch]

Use sand paper to scuff up the surface, pain with primer, let fully dry, then paint even coats of red.

Best bet is to google tho I'm no professional painter that's just what ik you're supposed to do and has worked for me

[spark hatch]

If you realllly want a "gaming" board I'd go for the wooting like lam said or of you want a nicer typing experience get a keychron keyboard.

[chrome raft]

yes

gaming keebs are overpriced

[spark hatch]

Yea

[vocal breach]

any good budget 80$ mechanical keyboard?

[chrome raft]

layout?

[spark hatch]

What size?

[vocal breach]

80% i want the function keys

[chrome raft]

ok

any hotswap tkl would be fine

[full hull]

RK87

RK87 hot swap

[chrome raft]

thats 75% right?

[full hull]

no 87 so 80%

[chrome raft]

oh wait rk84 is 75%

[spark hatch]

Keychron c1 or some royalkludge would be a good option

[chrome raft]

ye rk87

[full hull]

Keychron C1 or RK87 yes

[chrome raft]

get some nice switches

[full hull]

AJAZZ K870T Hot-swap as well

[vocal breach]

all keychrons are more than 200$ in my country, and all rk cludges block shipping to my country.

[full hull]

India I'm assuming

[spark hatch]

Ah I see

[full hull]

No Keychron and no China

[spark hatch]

Keychron is China ao

So

[vocal breach]

nah

not india

[chrome raft]

what country do you live in?

[vocal breach]

saudi

[chrome raft]

oh

[full hull]

*Hong Kong

[vocal breach]

only way to get RK in saudi is amazon.

[chrome raft]

can you buy from amazon?

[vocal breach]

no i could buy from other places but the only place that sells

rk and keychron

[chrome raft]

ok then use amazon

[vocal breach]

is amazon

[full hull]

Cooler Master has gateron keyboards right?

[vocal breach]

thats what i did, all sellers of RK are in UAE, and they dont ship to saudi for some reason

[spark hatch]

I think they jsut released an actually alright board

[chrome raft]

https://www.amazon.com/RK-Sink87G-Wireless-Backlight-Mechanical/dp/B07GSWT56W

[chrome raft]

cooler master also makes keyboards you shoundnt buy

souldn't buy

shouldn't

[full hull]

Compared to the rest of the gaming brands at least they're priced properly

[spark hatch]

.

[full hull]

at like 50$

[chrome raft]

hotswap?

[full hull]

no

[chrome raft]

size?

[full hull]

TKL or full size

standard gaming keyboards

[chrome raft]

just get the rk87

[full hull]

Well they would have already bought it if they could source it in SA or a reasonable price

which appears to not be possible

[fossil tiger]

What surface primer?

[full hull]

Cooler Master CK530 @vocal breach should be the best "available literally in the middle of nowhere" budget keyboard

[crimson isle]

just waiting for a 75%/80% keyboard that isn't basic bland design priced 5x what it should be worth

[vocal breach]

guess what, shipping is ~40 bucks lmaoo

[full hull]

Go buy an NJ80 tbh

[spark hatch]

That's were google comes in, I think I Jsut use like a general primer, no idea

[full hull]

I got mine for 60$ barebones

[vocal breach]

will see but its the UAE sellers for having all of the god damn mechanical keyboards in the middle east sadly i cant control the issue

[full hull]

It's cooler master I doubt they don't have a Saudi distributor

[spark hatch]

Yea, can you look at like a local tech store?

[crimson isle]

seems fine, the availability doesn't

[full hull]

big oof

Actually 60$ for this

[vocal breach]

cheapest one that ships to me ~180 bucks

[chrome raft]

thats pretty good

[crimson isle]

would could 3-4x after shipping with the access to it

[full hull]

RK or the Cooler Master?

[crimson isle]

and that is excluding all the rest

[spark hatch]

Damnn even south facing

[crimson isle]

tho I already spent 450$ on a single one before .-.

[vocal breach]

the reputable 5 stores that i know off sell overpriced corsair and steel series and 2 asus keyboards nothing else

[vocal breach]

cooler master

[full hull]

well you're fucked

[chrome raft]

rk87

[full hull]

Get the Asus TUF mechanical with brown switches and cry

[chrome raft]

check the rk87

[full hull]

already checked, will be way too much

[chrome raft]

ok

[vocal breach]

480 riyals lmao (~140$)

[chrome raft]

bruh

[full hull]

The K3?

[vocal breach]

no the asus one

[full hull]

Yeah Asus TUF K3

[crimson isle]

kinda sad when there are some groupbuys for very very nice 65%, but not that many for 75/80%

[full hull]

oh that' the K7

That's actually pretty good comes with variant of BOX

[spark hatch]

Oh that's not brutal

[full hull]

It's like optical box

[spark hatch]

Ohhh, yea I've used those before

They were alr

[vocal breach]

is this good? ~90 bucks

red switches

[spark hatch]

Red means linear

[full hull]

Oh that's actually priced well then yeah just choose one of the variations

HyperX switches are pretty ok

[spark hatch]

That would a good option tho

[crimson isle]

just use apple's self destruct keyboard

[chrome raft]

wait thats actually aluminum?

[spark hatch]

Top plate is

[chrome raft]

ok thats useless

[spark hatch]

It's super thin tho

[spark hatch]

Yea it's jsut there for 🌟 marketing 🌟

[vocal breach]

frick ~30 bucks shipping should i get get razer huntsman? my brother got one and he says its good he had an hp open keyboard

[wheat vigil]

Anybody dealt with Epomaker before? Bought a keyboard from them like 6 days ago, and I emailed them asking when it was gonna be ship out, but havent gotten a response ever since

[chrome raft]

no

[full hull]

Huntsman = dogshit

[full hull]

Amazon right?

I hope you didn't buy from their official website

[spark hatch]

I'd get the alloy over raxot anny day

[chrome raft]

epomaker makes some decent budget stacked acylic

acrylic

[wheat vigil]

I bought it via Epomaker's website

[full hull]

Epomaker makes stuff?

I thought they were an OEM rebrander

[vocal breach]

will try although, i will try to go to computer gaming shops seeing for any good deals

[wheat vigil]

I'm scared now 🙃

[chrome raft]

ep84 right?

[full hull]

Their KC84 rebrand

[wheat vigil]

how? but yes

[chrome raft]

ye of course lmfao

[full hull]

Looking at their lineup it's just OEM rebrands

[chrome raft]

oh thats epomakers most popular product

[wheat vigil]

oh wow, I was that basic huh

[full hull]

e84 = KC84, they have a bunch of SKYLOONG and Ajazz stuff as well

[wheat vigil]

but what's wrong with buying it via their official website btw

[full hull]

well it's just that customer service is going to be a bit worse

[wheat vigil]

.....

fuck

[full hull]

and like return policy will also be worse

and buyer protection

[wheat vigil]

Unfortunately I live in SEA

would have bought it via amazon if that was the case

[full hull]

Wait WTF why buy Epomaker if you're in SEA?????

What SEA country do you live in?

[wheat vigil]

Malaysia

[full hull]

how much was the E84?

[wheat vigil]

I got it for like 66 USD

free shipping

[full hull]

shipping incl? fully built?

[wheat vigil]

yes

[full hull]

You could have literally just bought an RK84 @wheat vigil

actually I think you should have bought an RK84

[wheat vigil]

Looking back at my choices

I probably should have

[full hull]

https://shopee.com.my/Ready-stock!-Lychee-G66-G66pro-barebone-kit-RGB-hot-swappable-Gasket-Mechanical-keyboard-South-face-Tri-mode-Bluetooth-2.4g-wireless-media-Volume-knob-low-profile-Translucent-removable-frame-music-rhythm-i.290382727.15041885446
this also exists @wheat vigil

though smaller form factor

[wheat vigil]

IS THAT A KNOB

KPafnPAJF BPJA

[full hull]

yes

[wheat vigil]

for cheaper as well...

[full hull]

that's the barebones

you still need keycaps and switches

oh wow 300 RM for KTT redwines included

and then you only need cheapo keycaps

but with shoppee sale you can get a pretty sizable discount

[wheat vigil]

you live in SEA as well?

[full hull]

Facebook marketplace sell time?

[wheat vigil]

kek, why not

[full hull]

Yes my current keyboard is literally also Lychee Gaming

[wheat vigil]

first time hearing of those switches as well

[full hull]

The Lychee Gaming N80

[wheat vigil]

it looked like the epomaker matcha keycaps for a moment lmfao

[full hull]

I mean Gateron Yellow switches are also available for same 300 RM prie

[full hull]

probably from the same Factory

I got it off cuxiu

But yeah I bet your E84 comes with dogshit swithes

[wheat vigil]

gateron red

[full hull]

Meh switches

[wheat vigil]

pretty much?

[full hull]

pretty average

[wheat vigil]

ehh

[full hull]

but yeah Lychee Gaming SUPER good value

[wheat vigil]

at least they're hot swapable

at least my varmillo board is staying

[full hull]

the lychee is hot swap too, 5 pin south facing

[full hull]

why did you buy an EP84 if you already had a Varmillo?

[wheat vigil]

separate PC

[full hull]

oh kk

[wheat vigil]

might just ask paypal to cancel the payment since I ain't getting any response from Epomaker themselves lmfao

[full hull]

You should tbh

[wheat vigil]

yeah

[full hull]

Why did you buy from a store that mainly serves Americans?

When you live in SEA??????

[wheat vigil]

I DONT KNOW

IT LOOKED NICE

[spark hatch]

It does look pretty nice

[chrome raft]

yeah

[wheat vigil]

looks like I am calling the bank in the morning

to issue a chargeback

hopefully

[chrome raft]

ok

[forest crypt]

I’m in the uk I was wondering if anyone know where I would be able to buy cherry mx speed silver switches ?

[spark hatch]

Why do you want speed silvers? I think you can get them on Amazon tho

[forest crypt]

I have heard that they are the fastest switches for gaming

[sleek bronze]

There is no thing such as "fast" switches

If you want low actuation low force switch go and find some light blue choc switches

But the speed will always be tied to you

[forest crypt]

Oh I thought I heard that the silvers had the shortest travel distance

[spark hatch]

Nope they have a high actuation but they still have a total distance of 4mm but as xenio said there isn't any benefit to using them over normal switches, the only games they do sorda make a difference is rythm games.

[cunning anvil]

Wich switches do i out in my gmk pro frame ?

[swift forge]

So Razer, Roccat, HyperX, Steelseries, EVGA are all better?

[swift forge]

Well I mean a substantial figure of the population who don’t know how to actually utilise hotswap will probably buy a new kb nonetheless

[spark hatch]

Not what I said. The only decent option you listed Is steel series.

[spark hatch]

What ever you want it's all 🌟 preferance 🌟

[swift forge]

Well their good kbs are pretty much all overpriced

[spark hatch]

No?

[swift forge]

Apex Pro is probably the only good one

[swift forge]

Well if not overpriced top-end expensive

[spark hatch]

Again, no

Keychron is pretty fairly priced

Leopold

N80

Rk

[sweet thunder]

Apex pro is nice, bring Hall effect and all, but just get a wooting

I wouldn’t compare a Hall effect to a custom because they’re quite different

But Hall effect is nice

[grim lance]

im still really curious about scissor switch boards

[spark hatch]

I would only really recomend apex if you can only get bigger oem boards in your region

[grim lance]

is there a best one?

[spark hatch]

your using it

[grim lance]

apple?

[spark hatch]

no, its all 🌟 preferance 🌟

[grim lance]

well ive been looking at reviews

[spark hatch]

that is a membane/scissor switch keyboard

[grim lance]

apparently apple is "butterfly"

also it looks like some of them dont actuate depending on where you press on the key

or just are inconsistent

[spark hatch]

also know as a scissor switch

[spark hatch]

its a membrane thing theyr'e not incredibly consistent or accurate

[grim lance]

it sounds like some are better than others

[grim lance]

i guess butterfly are less durable

[spark hatch]

yea, membrane boards are less durable than mechanical

[spark hatch]

mhm

[grim lance]

might you happen to know which ones are in the upper end of quality?

i understand if not, its clearly a super niche market

[spark hatch]

there arnt really any good membrane keybaords that ik of cause no one wants membrane, only ones ik of those in laptops, apple, and acouple other boards

why do you want such a low profile non mechanical board tho? I dont see the apeal

[grim lance]

it just feels so much better

my old dell inspiron 3000 had the best keyboard ive ever used

mechanical keyboards just feel so puffy and imprecise

for gaming

[spark hatch]

what mechanical boards have you tried?

[grim lance]

honestly i dont remember the brand

[spark hatch]

by puffy do you mean big?

[grim lance]

im gonna guess it was like a hyperx or something

yeah just

i HATE the actuation distance

Its like the shoulder buttons on game cube controllers

most smash players swear by them

but i despise the feel

and im 100% certain it adds an unnecessary frame of "latency" functionally

on an inconsistent basis even, cause theyre hollow in places 🤢

[spark hatch]

if you cant do 4mm of distance, Id do a lowprofile over a membrane anyday but its all 🌟 preferance 🌟 so I wount butt in too much

[grim lance]

ive been looking at the lowprofiles but the actuation distance still seems like a lot compared to that inspiron keyboard

the performance of that laptop was so garbage, but ive never had another keyboard to match its quality (by my standards ofc) lmao

[grim lance]

😳

[spark hatch]

is this the keybaord you're craving over so much?

[grim lance]

no

let me get it out

[spark hatch]

I jsut wanna know who put in this much time for pink keycaps for their laptop

[spark hatch]

https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Wireless-Projection-Keyboard-Full-Size/dp/B01AXU2EJG/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=hologram+keyboard&qid=1649280113&sr=8-3

[grim lance]

LOL

[spark hatch]

this low enough actuation distance? litterly like 0

[grim lance]

how consistent is it?

im ngl that looks kinda amazing

[spark hatch]

probably heritably inconcistant speaking its 40$ but if you got a good one it might not be bad? I have no idea tho, I just googled lowest actuation keyboard

I'd defintally do some research

[grim lance]

i just havent been able to find anything i like

and i gotta buy one soon

[grim lance]

this thing is just so perfect

[spark hatch]

if you loved that so much I cant think of a better option than you rexisting apple magic

[grim lance]

ngl apple feels fairly different

actually what about a wireless mechanical 60% board

[spark hatch]

yea, its a differnt design but its the same mechanism so

[spark hatch]

k6 is a good option

keychron k6*

uhm rk61

n80

those waht I got off the top of my head

[grim lance]

what about a 40% board 😳

[spark hatch]

., . .

[grim lance]

actually i think 60 is still ideal

[spark hatch]

how would you effiently use a 40%

it has nothing but the main keys

[grim lance]

its mostly for gaming

https://rkgamingstore.com/products/rk61-keyboard-white-red-switch

you said this is solid? 👀

[spark hatch]

then get the corsair single key keyboard

[spark hatch]

its a common beginners board, yea its pretty solid

[grim lance]

dont tempt me my friend

😈

[spark hatch]

I honestly would be more satisfied with someone getting that over a hologram keyboard

[grim lance]

is it of substantial quality given the price?

[spark hatch]

like bruh some one turns on the light and you cant see your keys

[grim lance]

LOL

[spark hatch]

for the rk61?

[grim lance]

yeah

[spark hatch]

its a very solid board yea, it was/is one of the "best" boards to get if you're just getting into the hobby

or atleast is a very popular option due to its price

[grim lance]

in that case i see no better option

i was looking at uh

oh nvm

[spark hatch]

oh another decent option if you dont mind its ascetics is the uhm

iqunix?

https://iqunix.store/?ac=hipyo&utm_source=www.youtube.com

pretty sure it had some pretty high reviews

[grim lance]

tbh the rk61 seems like the best option

pricewise its kinda great