peripherals

[keen prairie]

It depends on the batch for aqua kings

Mine are all 👌

Some people got overlubed switches though

I've felt them yeah. They didn't feel as smooth because of the tolerances of the housing

[analog wyvern]

Oooh... I found the cheapest RK87 yet

[full hull]

Does not look hot swap

I'd recommend going hot swap

[analog wyvern]

Hm...

Oh yeah

I forgot

[keen prairie]

I got mine on Amazon. RK has a hard time selling what they're actually selling

[full hull]

Not at all

[keen prairie]

I was like "this might be hot swappable

Amazon reviews from different years are getting entirely different keyboards

[full hull]

It's just that amazon resellers can't speak proper english

Shopee and Lazada sellers are usually straight from the factory

At least the chinese ones

[analog wyvern]

855k IDR

[full hull]

I got an NJ80 straight from the factory for like 60$ in Shoppee

[analog wyvern]

$60

[keen prairie]

Amazon do be like
"It types good well"

[analog wyvern]

For RK87 hotswap

[full hull]

select random tbh

if you don't know what you want just go with random

[analog wyvern]

Same price actually, i went with the white one

As for the switches, ye...

[full hull]

Yeah but like if you don't know what switches you like going random is always an option

but you can also go brown switch

for the familiar feeling

[keen prairie]

ew

[full hull]

though RK browns are pretty bad

[keen prairie]

Ngl, RK with brown switches felt like a messed up linear lmfao

[full hull]

Definitely bottom tier switch

[analog wyvern]

Which one is the best switch for this?

[keen prairie]

It's middle tier when you turn it linear by lubing the tactile bump

I'd recommend red linears

Unless you like clicky blues

[full hull]

tbh clicky blue switch

red RK is super scratchy

[analog wyvern]

Ok

[keen prairie]

Ahh

[full hull]

reminds me of old outemu

Blue is the most "meh" switch

which is good since the other two are "terrible"

[full hull]

but can your room handle the noise @analog wyvern

[keen prairie]

When I first told my destiny 2 friends that I turned my tactile switches into linears they got super concerned

[full hull]

Because it's a stupid idea tbh

[analog wyvern]

Noise is out of question, since its loud sometimes

[keen prairie]

When I showed them a video of me lubing the tactile bump they got mad lmfao

[analog wyvern]

[full hull]

so you don't care, then go RK Blue

[full hull]

Because you wasted good lube

[keen prairie]

It was just a fun experiment to make people mad

[keen prairie]

Worth it

[full hull]

It's a giant waste of materials

Probably killed a few sea turtles

[analog wyvern]

This reminded me of a vegan protest and a guy grilled sausages in front of them

[keen prairie]

Bruh

Well I'm not that bad at least

[analog wyvern]

Thats just in a nutshell example

[keen prairie]

They killed my pet eel. This is revenge.

[analog wyvern]

[full hull]

You had a Fire Eel?

[keen prairie]

Nah I've never owned an eel

I do have a leopard gecko though

[analog wyvern]

Also, since i wanted to do a custom Kokomi themed keyboard

Might buy this as Escape key

[keen prairie]

I need to make my escape key a pic of my dog

My profile pic as a keycap

[spark hatch]

That would be amazing

[analog wyvern]

Also

I might buy a lot of keycaps

Since the theme requires 3 colours:

• White (mostly)
• Light Blue/Blue
• Pink

[full hull]

You can get gradient keycaps everywhere

[analog wyvern]

I could, but yeah

We will see

Oh, this one can do custom

[quartz island]

Which one do I pick?

[rapid oracle]

You preference

Personally I like pom for the soft typing experience

[full hull]

Acrylic plate best amen

[chrome raft]

fr4 sounds pretty deep

pom is softest

softest would actually be polypropylene

fun fact: lmg warship censored the short form of polypropylene

[rapid oracle]

Yeah but that's fairly new

[chrome raft]

true

[rapid oracle]

Pom is still the most wide spread soft plate

Or just go plateless

[chrome raft]

lmao

[chrome raft]

ye

[chrome raft]

glacier80

[rapid oracle]

Nice board, but good luck getting it lol

One of my friend tried it and took the L

[chrome raft]

lol

[chrome raft]

it has a shiny AF backplate

not backplate

brass weight

[rapid oracle]

It's brass?

Iirc it's just alu backplate

[chrome raft]

brass weight

llike the weight

[rapid oracle]

Oh yeah

[spark hatch]

I hate baords with shiny back plates, they look good for the first 10 seconds of the prep coming off

Then they're all finger prints and smudges

[chrome raft]

exactly so some compaines cough cough apple will sell you a 50 dollar microfiber cloth

[spark hatch]

Lmao yea

That is one thing I dont like about my flip phone, folding screens are sooo much worse for finger prints compared to traditional glass

[chrome raft]

ikr

what phone u hae=ve?

have

[violet warren]

to clean my key caps, could I just use warm water and normal hand soap?

[unkempt dome]

yes

[chrome raft]

material?

[violet warren]

dualshot pbt pretty sure

[chrome raft]

ok

soap and water works

[unkempt dome]

not boiling water tho ... just slightly warm

[unkempt dome]

so I decided to try the tecsee carrot ...

[outer citrus]

just finished with the second part of modding my keyboard

tape mod

my keyboard is now foam modded and tape modded

and it sounds a hell of a lot better than it does stock

[spark hatch]

ZFlip 3

[spark hatch]

Niceee

[plain lion]

Where do I get started with building a custom keeb? I've found one or two linear switches I might like, and that's about as far as I've gotten

It might also be worth knowing I won't be able to do any soldering so I'd have to have a hot-swappable PCB if I'm not mistaken

[vale mist]

case size
switches
plate type
mods

[outer citrus]

when you have to clean one of your switches cause you were a clumbsy mother fucker and spilled soda on ur brand new keyboard and now the switch is scratchy cause it washed off the lube with it

and u dont have extra lube

i didnt even know keychron c2s came prelubed

[charred garden]

now i can finally type at night without my parents thinking a machine gun is firing

[spark hatch]

indeed it does!

also you can get new lube at like kenetic labs if you need

[outer citrus]

im not gonna bother relubing the default switches

cause these are getting swapped out soon anyway

[spark hatch]

or yo;u can just wait since you were gonna get new switches anyway, (I think)

ah yea

[vale mist]

What keycaps are those?

they look really clean

[charred garden]

Oem

Its the ducky one 2 skyline

With the keycaps it comes with

[spark hatch]

I think you can buy those cant you?

like ducky sells they're keycap sets

[unkempt dome]

well I kinda like the carrot ... the weight is really nice, they are quite smooth out of the box, the total travel being 3.5mm is also really nice ...

[spark hatch]

nice

[outer citrus]

https://youtu.be/oNFsirIal44

As stupid as this is

I probably would buy it lol

Except for the fact that it’s an April fools joke

[spark hatch]

lmao

[severe steppe]

Same lmao

[unkempt dome]

well I've seen some 2 keys "keyboards" for some rythm games

[near vine]

ive seen a no key keyboard

like a case with no holes to put switches in

[analog wyvern]

Guys

I finally bought it

Now just need to do some keycap shopping

And man, thank God i bought it sooner because this is the last one in stock that has blue switches in it

[spark hatch]

ncie

you wanted blue switches?

[gusty pivot]

Lol I'm getting rid of my old keyboard with blue switches tomorrow.

Giving it to my mom cause she needs a keyboard.

Hi btw, first time I'm posting here.

[spark hatch]

nice

what board did you get to replace it?

[gusty pivot]

Nzxt function full size white

[spark hatch]

oh

you like it?

[gusty pivot]

Gonna get some cyan keycaps and swap out the switches

[analog wyvern]

Ye, i dont mind loud one since my house is rather loud

Now i just need to shop for custom keycaps

[spark hatch]

ah, I like l clickie as well but I cant stand blues, terrible performance

[analog wyvern]

[spark hatch]

click bar clickies are super nice tho

[gusty pivot]

Havent been able to use it a loz, just came 2 days ago. But its very massive.

[analog wyvern]

Also

[spark hatch]

I see

gl with it

[analog wyvern]

I might look into PE Foam + Paper tape method for improving the keyboard too

I never done this so...

[spark hatch]

I would recommend it

[analog wyvern]

At least those are cheap

But as for the shipping

[gusty pivot]

Does anybody have experience with Sakurios? I'm looking for silent linears and thought of them.

[spark hatch]

it can make a big difference and if I remember it does make a big difference on the rk61 which is just a smaller rk 87

[analog wyvern]

How thicc is the PE Foam for this mod btw?

Is it 1mm?

[spark hatch]

uhm, yea pretty close, you can use thicker stuff if you want

[analog wyvern]

Ok, maybe around 1-2mm then

Because 1mm is available in my city, which i can shop myself offline

2mm or thiccer, might need to pay more due to shipping T&C

[spark hatch]

ah

[slim citrus]

Question: Numberpad, or TKL?

(Trying to gather opinions)

[gusty pivot]

Numpad for me

[slim citrus]

Same for me. I use the numberpad often.

[gusty pivot]

But I'm gonna build a 60% keyboard from the spare switches after I swapped my switches. Gonna be more of a fun project.

[slim citrus]

I like to use the numberpad not only to type the * symbol, but also sometimes macros. Speaking of macros, Taran's video from LTT in 2016 with LuaMacros and AHK is still kind of relevant to me, and I enjoy using it.

[spark hatch]

its preferance

do you use the numb pad?

[slim citrus]

Being able to use a second keyboard that I choose as a dedicated macro keyboard is amazing to me. M for my Minecraft Mods folder (it's not in %appdata%\.minecraft\mods, different drive/directory), D for downloads folder, C for my Minecraft Console/Panel, etc.

[slim citrus]

Yeah, pretty much.

Some people are so strong about loving TKL keyboards, though.

[spark hatch]

if yo;u use it get a full size

[slim citrus]

Of course. I always would.

[gusty pivot]

If I have to type 2 or more numbers at once I absolutely hate using the other num keys

[spark hatch]

its all preference dont get a tkl cause your friends say to get one

[slim citrus]

Of course.

I'm not going to let my friends force me to use a TKL keyboard. Besides, my friends aren't pushy about it, anyways.

Just like how I'm not going to let my online friends force me to use Manjaro/Arch Linux as my daily driver OS.

(Although, I absolutely love the KDE Plasma Desktop Environment, and if you could still get that for Windows (10), I'd be happy with that)

[spark hatch]

ah, well just making sure, there are people that let there friends control them

[analog wyvern]

Meanwhile, i rarely used numpads

Since im using laptops for years

[spark hatch]

same

[analog wyvern]

And most of the laptops didnt even have full keyboard format

[spark hatch]

just got a desktop this last 2ish years

[analog wyvern]

So, TKL probably suitable much more for me

[median rune]

I cant get this keyboard to work with my pc on the back of my pc there is one of those ports but it is green and purple when ever I plug it in the key at the top with the moon glows but I cant type with it what can i do to fix this

[spark hatch]

why do you want to fix that? I see you have a nice keychron c1 (maybe c2) sitting right there

it could be a variety of things tho, when was the last time it was working? or do you know?

[median rune]

its a c1 and I found it at a yard sale and thought that it would be fun to use

[spark hatch]

does there appear to be any damamge to the cable?

[median rune]

no idea when it last worked

no not that i see

[spark hatch]

then you gotta open up the board

[median rune]

ok

and see if its corroded

or broken'

[spark hatch]

corroded, broke solder joints, anything that looks out of the ordinary

[median rune]

ok ill do that tomarrow morning

[spark hatch]

alr

[vale mist]

check if ps2 is enabled in bios

[median rune]

dose it not come with it on

[vale mist]

and ps2 also only works if it's plugged in when the system is off and then you turn it on

you can't swap a PS2 keyboard in without restarting

[median rune]

oh

[spark hatch]

oh really? interesting

[vale mist]

first check the bios then plug it in and restart

[analog wyvern]

Guys

Is it a good idea to lube RK blue switches?

[spark hatch]

not if you want the click

it basically turns them into tactiles

[analog wyvern]

Ok then

Then the mods that i had in mind for RK87:

• Keycaps (obviously)
• PE Foam + Paper Tape
• Stabilisers

The stabiliser is for the longer keys (like spacebar)

I heard that the longer keys tends to be wobbly

[spark hatch]

see how that stock ones are first

[analog wyvern]

Ye, thats why i had to wait for the unit to arrive first

It will be arrived by tomorrow

As for the keycaps, i will order it today so the seller can prep those

[spark hatch]

and alot of the time you can save stabs by lubing them

ah

[analog wyvern]

But if i feel the wobble, stabs is a must for me

Also, stabs is not that expensive (also the seller sold them prelubed too)

[spark hatch]

what stabs were you gonna get?

[analog wyvern]

Im looking at the ones that available in Tokopedia

I will buy PE Foam from the same seller too

Since PE Foam would be too expensive if i buy it separately (due to Free shipping T&C)

Any recommendation if i do need stabs?

At least for my RK87

[spark hatch]

just go to a hard were store for foam

I've always used durok stabs but theres other good options

[analog wyvern]

I think hardware store didnt sell them here in my city

[analog wyvern]

Oh, thats what i had in cart

[spark hatch]

but only on my good builds otherwise I would just use stock

I dont find it that bad to fix shitty stabs

[analog wyvern]

We will see about that

Once the unit is arrived

I think when i ordered it, the keycap should be arrived at the same time

[spark hatch]

nice

[analog wyvern]

Btw, from one of the review from the keycap seller

[spark hatch]

those look decent

[analog wyvern]

Thats not the color that im looking for tho

Mine would be purple (light if possible) + white + pink

[spark hatch]

ah, and you found caps like that?

[median rune]

the light grey key bord looks cool

[analog wyvern]

The seller can do custom color

Not fully custom on color tho

[spark hatch]

ah I see

[analog wyvern]

Also

I went with PBT

[spark hatch]

ah

[full hull]

I think they're just mixing multicolor keycaps

[analog wyvern]

Ye

[full hull]

seems like standard <20$ PBT keycaps tbh

mixed together

my brother has red PBT and they're the excact same shade

You can even see the gamer font

[spark hatch]

well true but if thats the style thwy want I dont know anything that looks similar

[analog wyvern]

Also, fully custom color keycaps that can handle RGB is not that easy to find

I tried looking at Tokopedia atm

[charred garden]

Yeah i think they do

[chrome ocean]

Not keyboard related but does anyone know where to get a g pro wireless shell for cheap? The ones I found are $40+

[spark hatch]

your're not gonna get any cheaper I don thtink

[chrome ocean]

Is there any grip tape that covers this part of the mouse

[charred garden]

Is it just damage or is it also dented

[chrome ocean]

I believe the internals are fine, just this dent

[spark hatch]

looks like its dented

[spark hatch]

id just ignore it tbh. if you want make like a skin for it

[chrome ocean]

Someone is offering $52 cad to sell it to me

[charred garden]

I mean i've dropped my superlight so many times

[spark hatch]

go to like a local scraft store and get the one of those sticker things, I forget waht they're called, similar ot what dbrand sells but not cut out, just big sheets

[spark hatch]

as long oyu confirm the internals are fine seems like a steal to me

[tranquil quail]

Is this good for a low budget switch?

[spark hatch]

I'd put a skon of some sort on it and call it a day

[spark hatch]

decent

I think I have a sound test sample if youwnated

[chrome ocean]

Alright, thanks!

[spark hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/919720016285429770/945498110120067143/20220221_172711.mp4

it didnt embed, thanks discord. those are lubed gat yellows tho

same yellows config too, but take that as a grain of salt as the switches are just a small part of how a keyboard sounds, yours wont sound the same

[spark hatch]

np glad to help, gl!

[tranquil quail]

I think that's sounds good enough for me

[spark hatch]

they're quite nice, do oyu plan on lubing them tho?>

stock they're kinda meh, not bad not great, but lubed they're MUCH better

[tranquil quail]

It says prelubed tho, but if i have free time, i think i'm gonna lube it

[spark hatch]

oh it does. I ddont think I'd trust an amazon switch prelube but if it is ig thats a win

[analog wyvern]

The color scheme that i had in mind

[spark hatch]

tahts pretty nice

[full hull]

Yeah just search G Pro grip tape

Like quite cheap too

Or just use cut up badminton racket grips

[elder owl]

???

[full hull]

Grip tape

[elder owl]

unless you're adding the double sided tape there's no adhesive on those, just a crazy amount of grip

[full hull]

Racket grips have pretty good adhesive though

[elder owl]

uh

not rly

not the replacement grips or the overgrips i use anyway

it's just really grippy

you have to secure it at the top with an adhesive strip

because it's held down by it's by overlapping it a bit when wrapping it

[full hull]

What brand do you use?

[elder owl]

yonex

[full hull]

Head, Dunlop, and Babolat adhesive is extremely hard to get rid of

[elder owl]

mainly overgrips

i use yonex super graps

worn through a few, but they don't have actual adhesive under the roll just the strip provided

Head doesn't actually make rackets anymore for NA market iirc

Dunlop maybe, no experience with their badminton rackets if they exist

No clue about babolat

i don't understand why a company would add adhesive to the bottom of the entire roll of grip

not only does it seem like a pain in the ass it doesn't/shouldn't matter as long as you overlap it about right

[analog wyvern]

Ok

I bought the needed stuffs for the keyboard

The keycaps will costs me just $15

Stabs, just $10 (with everything lubed)

EVA foam, just 80 cents

Kokomi's Escape keycap, $3

Also

I went with ABS (unfortunately) because the PBT ones have darker colors

At least i saved up another $15

[unkempt dome]

65% for me

[unkempt dome]

Did you turn off the computer before plugging it in ... ps/2 is not hot swappable like usb is ...

[unkempt dome]

Maybe dbrand have something for that ...

[worldly shale]

based ps2 port that straight up refuses to work unless you have it plugged in before the pc boots vs virgin hotswap USB

more technology should just make you upset when you use it. i have a huge brain

[worldly shale]

numpad just because it looks nice

[rare crown]

New keyboard blue switches

[vale mist]

the close up makes it look like one of the giant gaterons

[jagged jacinth]

i need to buy a mechanical keyboard lol

[rare crown]

Yea no it's not that big

[spark hatch]

Nice

[sleek bronze]

Any idea where I could find kailh choc gblues switches ?

They are also named light blue

Or do you guys know if there are low actuation force choc clickies ?

[outer citrus]

Lmfao those are cool tho

I kinda want one just for the novelty value

[spark hatch]

I forgot those existed, they they actually actuate? Like if you hooked up a light would pressing it turn on the light?

[outer citrus]

Yeah

It’s an actual switch

It works as a button

It’s just jumbo sized

And very impractical

I think razer used them for their jumbo keyboard at whatever event that was

Yeah it was ces 2018

They used those giant switches for their giant keyboard demo thing

And surprisingly it worked as a keyboard

Novel keys makes them I think

18 dollars I no longer have

[spark hatch]

I see

[pine fractal]

Gotta say the new $100 keyboard is way better than the $20 bundle pack I got off Amazon

[crimson isle]

Why is this the name for a keycap set .-.

[rapid oracle]

This set have been in IC for a long time

It was a meme, never thought it would actually go live

[crimson isle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

"IC for a long time"
isn't that all of them?

[trail zinc]

What’s the best south facing led 80% navy blue hot swappable keyboard?

Budget is 150 cad at max

[unkempt dome]

there's no best

it's always and only preference

[spark hatch]

^^

[unkempt dome]

also why south facing ... you like cherry keycaps that much ?

[spark hatch]

off the top of my head tho I'd recommend the keychorn q3, its over budget but its a really good option

[slim citrus]

[subtle zealot]

What are some good tactile switches that wont break the bank?

[spark hatch]

heard good things about akko lavanders

[subtle zealot]

Are they good for gaming?

[spark hatch]

alll switches are

its all 🌟 Preference 🌟

[junior bone]

man why do tkl keyboards never have media keys anymore

the g915 tkl is a great keyboard and im surprised more ppl arent doing the same with 60 percent or tkl keyboards

[spark hatch]

I dont find media keys usfull, you can just use f 1-12

and the g915 is a very meh boards at best

[analog wyvern]

Hi guys, still waiting for my RK87 to arrive home

Btw, can anyone recognize what keyboard that my cousin bought here?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/381193783296917507/956747395901816902/IMG-20220325-WA0005.jpg

Based on the box there

We know thats Logitech G

[full hull]

Dogshit

[full hull]

It's pretty good actually

Kailh chocs are still like good

I mean for a low profile mechanical keyboard it's pretty hard to be bad

It's just extremely overpriced

[full hull]

What's everyone's opinion on the Keydous NJ80

It's worth for 60$ right?

Brand New

Barebones though but I don't really mind I already have everything else

[ionic briar]

yea prob
60 usd barebones for a 75% with a knob

[analog wyvern]

Anyway

Its arrived

Now waiting for the mods

[lilac grotto]

does anyone know what kind of switches Royal kludge uses and if they're compatible with gateron switches?

if it has hotswap capabilities

[analog wyvern]

I think they have the non hotswap and hotswap models

As for the switch compatibility, i dunno (this is my first mechanical keyboard yet)

[full hull]

Yes

If you have hot swap RK keyboard literally anything will fit

[lilac grotto]

perfect, thanks for answering

[full hull]

though tbh rather than Gaterons try for Akko CS or even better Aflion or Ajazz Diced Fruit @lilac grotto

my personal favorite cheapo switches

[lilac grotto]

i already have a batch of gateron milky yellows on me

[full hull]

oh kk

[lilac grotto]

though i'd like to try some matcha akkos

[full hull]

well yeah those are pretty ok too

just not that good anymore imo

now that like there are more than 2 budget switch manafacturers in the game

[lilac grotto]

interesting

[analog wyvern]

Just tested it through

Apparently their software only works if i plugged it with the cable

[full hull]

that's like how most keyboards work though

[analog wyvern]

Ah

I never encountered that before so

Anyway

Im still waiting for $34 worth of mods

[full hull]

Did you even buy stabiliser lube?

[median rune]

thank you that fixed it

[analog wyvern]

Im buying that too

2/3 of the mod money went to keycaps

[unkempt dome]

anyone tried tecsee carrot ? ... I want to have some opinion about them and compared to other switches people have tried

[chrome raft]

there pretty good

has a pretty deep sound signature

[unkempt dome]

let's say I really don't care about sound

is there other switches that would be similar to them while feeling a bit different ? ... don't know if that makes sense

[chrome raft]

i think carrots fell like any other linear switch

im pretty sure the biggest difference is the housing material

its made out of pme

long pole

[spiral zealot]

hello everyone

[chrome raft]

hello

[spiral zealot]

im new to mechanical keyboards, can anyone link me good guide on how to mod it so it make nice thock sound

[chrome raft]

tempest

tempest tape+pe foam mod

search it up on yt

[unkempt dome]

well I haven't tried many linear ... I tried cherry red at some point and gateron yellow and didn't like any of them ... now I have the carrot and I kinda like them a lot

like the feeling is completely different compared to the yellow

[chrome raft]

yeah

carrots have a long pole

[unkempt dome]

that's why the total travel is shorter ?

maybe I should try to lube one of my batch ... I have like 180 of them ... same with the purple panda

[chrome raft]

100% lube them

[unkempt dome]

yes I know you would say that

I should get something for the springs ...

like gpl105

[chrome raft]

also i dont remember a linear switch that has long pole

execpt carrots

hp's and moyu blacks have long pole but they are tactile

im pretty sure

[unkempt dome]

the nice thing is that they come with another set of heavier spring

[chrome raft]

nice

[unkempt dome]

and some oring ... which I won't use

[chrome raft]

ye im pretty sure

[chrome raft]

obviously o rings suck

i dont even get the point of o rings

[unkempt dome]

it's to try to dampen the sound for people that are unfortunate and have soldered board and don't know/want to desolder

like someone that gets a corsair board but find it too loud even if it's not clicky in there

[chrome raft]

just get a hotswap keeb

not that hard

[unkempt dome]

lot of normal people don't want to bother with that

also when they already have the keyboard and they think it's working well with the software they use for every other thing in the pc ...

[chrome raft]

wdym by bother

[unkempt dome]

i know it's complete shit but lots of people just don't even want to try something other than an overpriced corsair/razer/logitech

[chrome raft]

point

[unkempt dome]

lots of people don't want to bother changing switches for something silent event if the keyboard is hotswap

[chrome raft]

software?

[unkempt dome]

icue ... synapse ... ghub

[chrome raft]

yeah but why though

[unkempt dome]

when people are in an ecosystem, it's really hard to make them change

[chrome raft]

cough cough apple

[unkempt dome]

cause they never done that
cause they are lazy
cause the keyboard won't work with their software
cause the keyboard don't have media key or other feature they want

there's a lot of reason why people won't want to change

[chrome raft]

isnt there a universal open source rgb software thingy?

[unkempt dome]

yes but it doesn't work that good

[chrome raft]

oh ok

[chrome raft]

4th point is invalid bc qmk and via exists

[unkempt dome]

and let's suppose that someone has logitech mouse and headset ... they want to get logitech keyboard just cause it will work in the same software they are used to and don't want to bother using/learning another software

most normal gamers won't know how to use via or qmk and won't want to bother learning

like I heard a lot of time ... I just want it to work with what I have

so they settle for overpriced subpar stuff

[chrome raft]

why dont they want to use a new software

[unkempt dome]

also I didn't even bother with via or qmk cause I don't have any need for that

[analog wyvern]

My keycap seller sent me this

Now its just packing time before he ship it to my home (next day shipping)

[chrome raft]

for i second i though you were using a brass plate lmfao

1

[unkempt dome]

cause most people are lazy and if something works why change to something else cause of a new keyboard ... it's easier to stay with something known that try to learn something new

[analog wyvern]

Im not, also i dont think it exist for my RK87 in Indonesia

Im using EVA Foam 2mm for it

Also, i bought some stabs with wires

Thats prelubed

Since the keyboard didnt have wire for the stabs

[chrome raft]

using qmk/via isnt learning

its pretty intuitive

[chrome raft]

yeah ik ur not using brass plate but for like 1 second i though you were using one

[analog wyvern]

Nope

Also brass plate is very expensive

[chrome raft]

its not that its expensive its that it has 0 flex

[analog wyvern]

Hm...

[chrome raft]

negative flex

[analog wyvern]

Also that pic isnt from me, its from the seller

I think he stacked keycaps

[chrome raft]

ok

oh yeah

[analog wyvern]

Maybe for preview

I asked him so there is no major error before shipping

Since returning it would prolong the process

[chrome raft]

i just dont get why people sacrifice a better product for like 0.1% more convinience

[chrome raft]

ok

[analog wyvern]

Also, i didnt know these type of budget keyboards (and almost buy used Razer, but eh, at least its one of the better one)

[unkempt dome]

well sometimes people just don't want to bother

[analog wyvern]

And here i am with Royal Kludge RK87

[unkempt dome]

about the same as if you said to me that using rgb software is pretty intuitive ...

[analog wyvern]

On the bright side, at least i can set it the same color as my Razer DAV2 Pro

No Chroma but at least the keyboard is far better :d

[chrome raft]

ok fine but ur getting a better keyboard if ur willing to use new software

[chrome raft]

every single keyboard is probably better then a razer keyboard

[unkempt dome]

I know that ... but most typical gamers don't and don't want to listen cause they think their corsair/razer/logitech board must be good cause big brand ...

and for the price they paid it must be good right ...

also, personally, I don't use software for my peripherals

[analog wyvern]

Ye, at least the used Razer BW V2 that i found is pretty good one. Sadly it has broken RGB LED so kinda pointless

Also, my cousin bought a Logitech keyboard for his PC build

[chrome raft]

just send them a video of a sound test of a deep sounding keyboard

[unkempt dome]

well lot of people don't care about keyboard sound

[analog wyvern]

Btw

[unkempt dome]

I don't care about keyboard sound and I'm a keyboard enthusiast

[analog wyvern]

Anyone know what Logitech keyboard is this?

Thats what my cousin bought

But cant recognize the model

[chrome raft]

no but the 'gamers' will care

[unkempt dome]

not the ones I know

if they don't have clickies it's good enough for them

they don't care much about the thockiness of the board

usually they think reds are quiet switches

[chrome raft]

hmm... it looks like a trashtech garbage clicky tkl

[analog wyvern]

Dunno the model number, but looks like he bought ir from Logitech G Official in Tokopedia

But the only things i bought from Logitech, is their office mouse

B170 and M590

I wonder why he go for G903 instead of G Pro Wireless

[chrome raft]

buttons prbly

[analog wyvern]

He only plays Growtopia btw

[worldly shale]

long time since ive heard that game lmfao

i didnt even know you could play it wiht a keyboad

[strong seal]

Anyone know of a loud mechanical keyboard that’s below $50 usd? Preferably not a full keyboard?

[unkempt dome]

redragon k552

with outemu blue ... if you want loud that would be that

[gusty pivot]

Just picked up an old Cherry VDE 0806 from my dad. Letts see if it still works. Feels fantastic.

[strong seal]

Thought someone would say that. I don’t want that one because it’s really ugly. I don’t think the key caps can be changed and the ones it comes with look terrible.

[brazen aspen]

you can change the keycaps

[strong seal]

Oh ok. Good

The font they use is just bad

[unkempt dome]

the keycaps can be changed

[strong seal]

Is there a specific type they need to be?

[unkempt dome]

cherry mount

like most things now

[strong seal]

Ok

Thanks

[unkempt dome]

the font is not so bad

but those looks better

[spark hatch]

ehh, I had a pretty meh experience with myn

[strong seal]

I’m talking about the original

It’s so big

[unkempt dome]

first pics are the original

only the spacebar is changed

[strong seal]

That doesn’t look like the pics at all

[unkempt dome]

well that's what I got

[strong seal]

That’s what the originals look like

Terrible

The white is prly different

[spark hatch]

thats just the qhite version

[unkempt dome]

also mine doesn't have rgb

[spark hatch]

the ones dr0y sent are still origonal, they just have the white varient

[strong seal]

That too

[unkempt dome]

that's probably why it's different

[strong seal]

And the separate key caps r expensive

[spark hatch]

ah, I didnt know they made a non rgb version

[unkempt dome]

and the picture you sent is not full rgb ...it's the rainbow version

[strong seal]

Like I could get another full keyboard for the same price

[spark hatch]

not really

[unkempt dome]

paid 20$ for the white and grey set

[strong seal]

I was seeing them for $30

[unkempt dome]

canadian $

[strong seal]

Mine was usd

[spark hatch]

you can get a decent set on amazon or keychron for 40$ cad

[spark hatch]

thats pretty cheap. you can blow 120$ usd on caps easy

for gmk ones

[strong seal]

That’s dumb

Just get a good keyboard at that point

[spark hatch]

yea, thats what people put them on, custom builds

[strong seal]

How’s this keyboard? More expensive, but not ugly https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0832NSKW7/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_6YM8S30AECRRGQMC5JWF?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

That’s the other competitor I think

[rapid oracle]

Good

[unkempt dome]

it's actually good

[spark hatch]

if I remember right royal cludge is pretty good

[strong seal]

Ok, than I’ll most likely go with that

Doesn’t have a massive brand on it either

[spark hatch]

yea

[unkempt dome]

and also it's hotswap ...

[strong seal]

Yeah

[unkempt dome]

so if the blue are not loud enough for you well you can change them for some actually good clicky like the kailh box navy

[strong seal]

They should be fine. Using a RedDragon combo keyboard rn. Pretty sure it’s membrane and it’s not very loud. Super bulky too

[unkempt dome]

yeah most likely rubber dome

[crimson isle]

what was that giant keyboard again 🤔

[spark hatch]

its but reddragon, I forget what they call it though

[crimson isle]

I want to make my father replace his razer with it just because

[strong seal]

RedDragon S101

[outer citrus]

my new wrist rest is here

[spark hatch]

sick

[rocky kestrel]

I need help with my keeb

I removed some switches and put them back in and now the rgb lights up but keys won’t register

[haughty zephyr]

anyone here like the cherry keyboards for laptops

[spark hatch]

did you bend the pins?

take the switches back out and loot if the pins are straight

[rocky kestrel]

I pulled one up and it was bent and I straightened it and it works the rest aren’t bent tho

[haughty zephyr]

nice

[spark hatch]

like the alian ware ones?

[haughty zephyr]

yep

[spark hatch]

never used one, didnt ltt do a video on them tho?

[haughty zephyr]

they remind me of the pre 2015 macbook keyboards

[haughty zephyr]

yeah i think so

[spark hatch]

and they worked prior to you taking them out?

[haughty zephyr]

for some reason i really enjoy the keybaord on my alienware laptop

i expected a pretty crap experiance as from what people said but im actually impressed

[rocky kestrel]

Yeah I’m checking to see if they all work now is there a software I can use to see if keys are responding?

[spark hatch]

google key tester

[rocky kestrel]

K

[spark hatch]

https://www.keyboardtester.com/tester.html

[wheat vigil]

so, my friend wants to buy a keyboard to modify later on rather than build one from scratch. Right now they are looking at the Keychron K6 and the RK71. Any recommendations around that price point

[haughty zephyr]

just get the keychron l6

k6

thats a solid starter

[spark hatch]

I like my keychron k6, nice deap sound, good build quility, bluetooth

[haughty zephyr]

yea plus its hot swapable

[rocky kestrel]

it all works now thx

[haughty zephyr]

meep

[spark hatch]

depends on config but yea

[haughty zephyr]

yes true

[spark hatch]

also would defiantly recommend getting the aluminum variant, it looks and feels buch better

[haughty zephyr]

yes i wish that was the only option

also maybe looking at the new NZXT keyboards

i know nothing about them but

[spark hatch]

they're shit

[haughty zephyr]

oof

then nevermind

[spark hatch]

only good thing is hot swap

[haughty zephyr]

tragic

thats sad

becuase there Pcs are halfway decent

comapred to other prebulits

[spark hatch]

yea

they made is almost impossible to open and mod, Nort facing leds, aluminum top plate (other boards in its price range have full aluminum chassis

[undone wolf]

What do y’all think of the nuphy air 75?

[spark hatch]

I would like one

how od you like it

[undone wolf]

It’s pretty nice. Just a little bit over priced though

I also got blue switches and I think that was the downfall of it haha

[spark hatch]

ah

yea I would probably get browns ig? idk very many low preofile swithces

[strong seal]

What’s the loudest switches? Like the common ones are red, brown, and blue. Is blue the loudest on the three?

[spark hatch]

I think box jades are the loudest stock switches

[strong seal]

Ok, what about the common 3?

[spark hatch]

blues

[strong seal]

Ok

The jades are crisper but have a weaker return apparently

[outer citrus]

being able to have control over what your keyboard feels or sounds like is actually pretty nice

i hate white key caps tho

it shows the cat hair and whatever crud on my keyboard

[keen nest]

Does anybody have recommendations for a low profile full size keyboard? (Yes I know I should get a normal mechanical keyboard, but I can't due to a wrist injury.)

[spark hatch]

They're a loud sharp click, I don't fi d the return weaker than blie though

[spark hatch]

Have you looked at keychron k10?

[delicate fern]

Family photo

Family photo 2

[spark hatch]

nicee

[analog wyvern]

Man, your family is very big there :v

[swift forge]

should I switch from a Logitech G815 gaming kb to the Corsair K70 TKL?

[spark hatch]

no because corsair keyboards are shit

[swift forge]

I like the idea of 100% --> TKL but MX Speed switches are gonna take a while to adjust to from tactile

[swift forge]

what

[spark hatch]

if you want a new board go with a leopold or keychron, they're much better quility

[swift forge]

I need one for gaming lmao

Don’t get me started on Keychrons with like 40ms keypress latency because I play FPS

[spark hatch]

how do you test key latency

[swift forge]

Reviews on rtings.com and high latency is noticeable

[spark hatch]

I mean get corsair if you want but they're not good baords

[swift forge]

Headsets are shit from then anyway

[spark hatch]

it is not noticeble at all

[spark hatch]

cant say I've ever heard of rtings but there is no noticable latency

if you use bluetooth yea, but its blue tooth waht did you expect

[swift forge]

Welp I got you wrong, some typing keyboards have very low latency as tested by rtings

Like the Ducky One 3

[full hull]

Ok the latency of the Ducky One 3 is?

[swift forge]

4.5ms

[full hull]

Like if you want uber low latency just get an Apex Pro and set the actuation point to 0.1 or something

Or like just get a hotswap and buy speed switches

RTings is measuring Keystroke latency not actuation

so like literally going to bias keyboards with speed switches

[full hull]

That's the keystroke latency

what's the Actuation latency

as in when you actuate the switch what's the latency?

like literally looking for like 2 seconds at the RTings scores it's all just keystroke latency so speed switches and opticals get good scores

and keyboards with adjustable debounce

so literally just get something good and put in any Kailh Speed Switch you want

and you'll have K100 latency

[swift forge]

Sure Corsair can nail 0.5ms with their K65 being one of the fastest boards ever but humans can’t distinguish anything below 100ms

[swift forge]

I think that’s a minor factor in keyboard latency tbh

[full hull]

That's literally the only factor

Actuation points are the only thing that contributes to keyboard latency as long as it supports 1000hz

[swift forge]

Yea true

But still isn’t the point noted?

[full hull]

Not at all

[swift forge]

besides what’s the difference

[full hull]

Why get a Corsair Keyboard when you can get the exact same experience with an RK keyboard swapped with Kailh Speed Switches

Will also be way better

[swift forge]

Actuation as in when the computer registers the keystroke or how long the board itself does that

[full hull]

actuation as in when the switch makes contact

[swift forge]

The latter is basically imperceptible in any way

[full hull]

Because switches have travel

[swift forge]

So how long it takes to press a key? Well that depends on how fast you type

And the switch type used

Besides tbh how is that such a serious matter

[full hull]

how far before the switch registers contact

[swift forge]

Well travel and actuation distance and point are on the website

[full hull]

yeah but they don't account for it in their latency testing

[swift forge]

That’s not latency that’s the travel distance lmao

[full hull]

yeah which is the #1 contributor to latency

[swift forge]

It’s literally not latency

[full hull]

They are literally measuring Keystroke latency

[swift forge]

Latency is the time taken to register keystrokes after they’ve fully been pressed

[full hull]

that's quite literally going to be influenced by travel distance

[full hull]

That's not how RTings measures

[swift forge]

Distance is when the key is being pressed

[full hull]

Literally watch their methodology

[swift forge]

They use a 360hz monitor with Nvidia Reflex Latency Analyser and play Valorant practice mode, face their gun towards the wall, and remap the shoot button to P. Then they fire a few times and record in slowmo

[full hull]

And they "correct" for pre-travel time like what

[swift forge]

After that the audio is turned into a recording and a stopwatch is used to measure the time it takes for actuation to be registered

[full hull]

Ok how do they account for the entire pre-actuation travel

[swift forge]

Gtg chat later

[full hull]

like when you check their C2 review the Gateron Brown measurements that they have are out of spec

2.0 +- 0.6 but they claim 2.9

and then when you check the top latency scoring Obins Anne Pro with also Gateron Browns its the correct spec

The only way to properly measure mechanical keyboard latency is to manually resolder/swap the switches to like one switch that you know the values of

like just one individual tested switch

[spark hatch]

^

[swift forge]

Welp I mean most people are likely to care only about keystroke latency

Besides the technology implemented in modern keyboards has minimise latency to the point where 20ms and 4ms are basically no different

Sure 20ms causes slight delay onscreen if you’ve seen faster but it’s mostly in-perceivable

[spark hatch]

ive used bluetooth boards for so many years I cant even tell the differnce

[swift forge]

I mean as a bit of amateur testing I use the arealme website's hand eye coordination test, that requires low input lag for accurate test scores

doing it on my Apple Magic Mouse generated like 1 sec of lag behind every click I executed, my Logitech gaming mouse was basically instant

[spark hatch]

ag

ah*

[swift forge]

thats why theres the need to manufacture the same things for different use genres, sure they look the same generally and have the same features but some are just better than others depending on the genre its made for

[spark hatch]

eh anything under 100ms isnt really detectible by the human eye, unless you play smthn like osu I dont see how a 0.5ms board is helpful to anyone

[swift forge]

gaming = attractive aesthetic, low-input-latency (ignoring that argument we had before) mechanical (or optical on high end kbs) switches, RGB lighting for highlighting crucial FPS commands, macro programming for some keys, media keys inclusion, Windows lock key

professional typing = comfortable, durable mechanical or topre switches, hot-swappable keycaps and switches, standardised keycap sizes, white backlighting for no distractions

programming keyboards (happy hacking) - side-printed secondary functions for high visibility

[spark hatch]

I'd rather get a nice board than one with a uber low ms

cant say I personally agree with that but fair enough

[swift forge]

thats true for the Corsair K65 Mini, 0.1ms keystroke latency but no ergonomics, i.e. being able to adjust the angle the keys and board are positioned at, high profile and no wrist rest plus cramped design for a 60% board

the Razer huntsman at 0.5ms at least improves upon that with a TKL design and function keys to space them out more

[spark hatch]

This being said the most competitive game I play is Minecraft bedwars so I don't really have anything from your point of view as an fps player

[swift forge]

when you progress to near level 10 in krunker, its like complete esports-kids-only mode

you got smurfs, one-tap snipers etc

[spark hatch]

Ah

[swift forge]

one misclick, a single ping spike and you're fucked

krunker competitive is even more 💀 than regular

[spark hatch]

The only piece of hardware Ive actually noticed a skill impact is with a mouse

[swift forge]

though I haven't tried that.... yet

for FPS players I would look at keypress latencies of <4ms

anything over and I'm refusing it as a shit buy for FPS

because macOS desktops have this thing with their hardware where the input lag is higher than windows monitors sometimes

its marginal, but still noticeable and performance-impacting

like me doing a Human Benchmark reaction time test, 230ms average on my iMac, 180-200ms average on a Windows monitor

not a placebo, trust me

me trying one-taps with a Logitech G502 Hero was a melancholy failure, meanwhile I knock heads off opponents with a Pro X Superlight quite well

[spark hatch]

Honestly would be surprised apple does some weird shit

[swift forge]

sure its mostly the weight of the G502 but the cable is kinda draggy too

so I was like, "fuck this most wired gaming mice don't work on macOS anyway so Pro X Superlight I'm kidnapping you"

[spark hatch]

me who uses a 95 gram wired mouse over my g pro for one feature

[swift forge]

and basically this happened, 1st on the lb for Krunker despite 150 ping 6 times in a row

[spark hatch]

Dang

[swift forge]

though I'll be fair most kids in New York are connected via wifi to the servers, whilst i'm on 500Mbps stable Ethernet

the keyboard I have is the Logitech G815, which has been made with low-profile keys meaning the actuation latency is probably quite low, alongside a 1.0ms press latency

if you compare from a suitable distance the keys are barely like 1.2mm higher than the apple magic keyboard's

but I might switch to the Corsair K70 TKL, for the 8000hz polling rate though my iMac will probably turn into a lunatic if I do

[swift forge]

Logitech - you lil shit-
Me - he's not TenZ or in an esports team chill

sensor inaccuracies of ±20% won't be even the slightest noticeable 🤷‍♂️

[spark hatch]

I see, if you value latency that much ig go for it but jsut know Corsair baords are low quility and typing experience for they're price

[swift forge]

(If you're asking how I managed to type ±, these are one of the things I thank Apple for)

[swift forge]

true, but hey its MX Speeds

[spark hatch]

Lmao, I used a apple magic keyboard for 6 years ik how it goes

[swift forge]

what do you expect? an audible click and 80gf operating force?

I mean I'm not wrong

[spark hatch]

Nah, nice strong tactile with 67 grams of force

[swift forge]

MX Silents be like - oh wow thats another consumer hating on us

well I mean the only keyboard that has tactile, linear and clicky switch options from Corsair is the full size K70 MK.2, but the keys aren't floating so dust is hard to clear out if it gets jammed in crevices

[spark hatch]

I dont hate silvers, it's all 🌟 preference🌟 just personally don't like light springs, linear, or high actuation

[swift forge]

and I wanted the K70 TKL because of the 80% size whilst maintaining media keys

[swift forge]

same here, I tried an mx speed keyboard right after using blues, I became a speed-ball at running in krunker but ended up dashing right into shotgun range

[spark hatch]

Ah

[swift forge]

I had to have a new head like 50 times that round ;-;

[spark hatch]

Yikes

Tbh I don't even know krunker was competitive, I just remember hoping into games on the middle of class

[swift forge]

there is a competitive mode but it requires all sorts of security protocols to be gone through as anti-cheat procedures so its not really worth it

besides it takes ages to reach level 20 so I probably will quit before then

[spark hatch]

Ah

I see

[swift forge]

and I mean I'm a high DPI player so those MX Speeds didn't go well for me

1200 DPI usually

I've now dialed the sens down to 0.6

[spark hatch]

I'd like to try a fps game but with my current wifi even Minecraft is a hit or miss lmao, average of 1000-1500ms 😔

I think I use a DPI of 1200 aswell actually

[swift forge]

well former krunker players are usually bound to step out of their comfort zone armed with high sens and DPI most likely

I see these kids on 5000 DPI, always wondered how they live life

[boreal rivet]

comfortably thats how

[spark hatch]

Damnn that's high, a switch could through you off

Twitch*

[swift forge]

0.1 sens probably

which would be 5000 ÷ 10 = 500 eDPI

eDPI meaning what DPI figure is registered by the game after tweaking sens

[spark hatch]

Oh yea people turn they're dpi up and game sense down for less latency or some shit

I forgot about that

[swift forge]

its like TenZ on valorant, 1600 DPI player

but 0.245 sens (3 sf, its like a 10 decimal place number)

0.1 is basically 160 DPI, so around 400 DPI i'd imagine

[spark hatch]

I see

[swift forge]

his mousepad size 💀

though look at shroud, 200 DPI 🗿

[spark hatch]

Yikes

[swift forge]

thats his lowest

though for CS:GO during his esports career he was 400 consistently

if you look at the Shroud edition mousepad Logitech has its the G840, around the length of a desk suitable for 32" curved monitors to span

[spark hatch]

I see

Seems complicated to go into report

eSports

[keen nest]

Not yet. Thanks!

[swift forge]

well sure most of them don't permit you to bring your own gear so you need a week or two getting used to the venue's sponsored gaming peripherals

but the biggest pointers are go with linear switches because those are likely the ones used at the tournament, train with a closed-back headset for sound pinpointing and both wired and wireless mice

as well as practice using two headphones, earphones for game audio, headsets for passive noise isolation and the boom mic, chat audio and some white noise

some world-grade comps do though because hey its competing for best out of the world, so you need to be at your best

[unkempt dome]

Latency is mostly irrelevant unless you play rythm games competitively

A good mouse will have way more impact than any keyboard

If you want better get a ps/2 keyboard...

[delicate fern]

I use a franken switch of a cherry speed stem , cream top, and standard gat bottom with a 35g spring for rhythm games. They are great if you have the parts laying around

[vale mist]

game audio matters very little for the majority of the playerbase and even for the pro scene

the amount of pro players that use something like apple earpods or garbage gaming headsets is large

and it doesn't impeade their performance for the most part

[supple gust]

or tactical FPS games

[supple gust]

oh it absolutely does, they just learn to play around it (at least in games like Valorant and CS:GO

[supple gust]

for example I managed to get mid/high elos playing on a 2012 iMac with an HDD (which was displaying a reallocation warning in CDM) and an i5-3330S+GT 640M Mac edition (the Mac edition has only 512MB of VRAM)

It was objectively a terrible idea, but it was all i could afford- got it for free and fixed it up- and it kept me from going higher (I peaked at plat 1 during this time) because it constantly crashed, lagged, and stuttered. I had to focus on developing very good gamesense and crosshair placement because if I had to flick I’d be dead before the shot fired due to the high latency

[subtle grotto]

cant get enough of this kbd67 lite

with durock pom linears btw

[strong seal]

Theoretically, could u get a mouse, put it in a splitter, and put that into 2 dif inputs

Would it work for both?

[vale mist]

um I was talking about audio quality not latency

[supple gust]

I was giving an example of being able to achieve well despite being handicapped

[vale mist]

and the handicap was bad hardware, which is a far more worse handicap and makes a far bigger difference than audio

[supple gust]

In Valorant? A slightly bigger difference

good audio is 50% of gamesense, and gamesense is all-important. That good audio saved my ass in ranked

If I’m not wearing headphones my K/D goes from 2-3 to 0.70

[chrome raft]

wait im pretty sure this isnt audio chat

[supple gust]

it was as an aside to the keyboard latency discussion + tips

[chrome raft]

oh ok

[full hull]

Pros literally use dogshit earphones in tournies

And they literally play with white noise blasting in their ears half the time

[supple gust]

some of them do, but not many. And they are not the ones on top; of course, there may be exceptions but they would absolutely do better with better headphones, not even debatable

Valorant especially is such an auditory game that you have NO chance without good audio

games like TF2 n shit, not so much. But games like Val, definitely

[unkempt dome]

So every top players use sennheiser hd800s or focal utopia ...

[chrome raft]

nice now i can be the best valorant player just by using the Abyss AB-1266 Phi

only if i had the money

[supple gust]

lmaooo

[supple gust]

not necessarily, but nearly all of them use at least somewhat decent headphones with perfect surround. decent tuning is much less important than fidelity of surround signal

[vale mist]

now I can be the best player in all fps games with my he-1

if only

[ionic briar]

tbh i do see most pros using either hammerhead or one of the shure se lineup
like a minority of pros recently started to use dusk and whatnot

[supple gust]

I crank the bass a bit so i can pick out suppressed shots like on the Ghost, the Spectre, and the Phantom a little more easily

[vale mist]

I hope you do realize game engines are good enough to where you don't need almost any soundstage only thing that matters is imaging and tuning
that is if you're even good enough to make use of the audio

[supple gust]

almost? wdym almost

[vale mist]

the 6xx lacks soundstage yet is still used for games

[supple gust]

soundstage improves depth perception for me a lot

[vale mist]

people game with iems lol

[supple gust]

okay?

what’s your point

they’d likely game better with a pair of over-ear closed backs

[vale mist]

soundstage doesn't matter very much at all because modern game audio engines are good enough

[supple gust]

I’m not saying they have to be powerful, just that they need somewhat decent transmission

surround sound on shitty IEMs is bad, gaming on OK iems is fine but you really need to be able to leverage surround sound well at the very least

[vale mist]

if soundstage matters that much why don't people play with sourrond speakers then?

[supple gust]

people do, but they’re expensive and take up a lot of space

in a game like valo or CS with low time to kill (one headshot, three-four bodyshots with rifles) you need to be able to pinpoint where everyone is by sound alone.

[vale mist]

how often are you going to be listening for someone else's footsteps when you're actively making your own footstep noises?

[supple gust]

in a game like TF2 or Destiny 2 or WoW or League or whatever you don’t need that level of precision.

[supple gust]

always.

In val you can hear it because footsteps are very loud

CS to a similar degree but not quite as much

[spark hatch]

I could not care less about my audio for games, aslong as you got sterio you can hear everything you need

[supple gust]

but yeah if you’re playing a tac shooter properly, literally you are always listening. I can get kills while flashed, for example, because I pay attention to gunshots and footsteps

[vale mist]

ah yes kills while flashed

[supple gust]

it’s not hard

[vale mist]

considering how bad valorant players aim is sure

[supple gust]

especially with “nearsight” flashes

[supple gust]

maybe in whatever elo you’ve played in. Anything above gold 1 aim is perfect

altho soloq randos suck sometimes

I would say aim is solidly better than anywhere in CS:GO or Apex etc

[vale mist]

🗿

soundstage is nothing without imaging

imaging matters more

[supple gust]

when did I say imaging wasn’t also important?

[vale mist]

you only talk about soundstage like it's the one true god

[supple gust]

surround has to be the most important part, pinpointing footsteps exactly is absolutely imperative

[vale mist]

.

[supple gust]

…you were the one that brought up soundstage

[vale mist]

read the 2nd part of the message saying imaging matters more

[supple gust]

literally all I was saying that headphones that can reliably deliver accurate surround sound are 100% necessary. I never actually brought up soundstage lmaooo

[vale mist]

.

[vale mist]

.

[supple gust]

after you had already brought it up here

I didn’t say it was the most important factor, or the only one, I just said that it helps with depth which is objectively correct

like clearly imaging is technically “more important” because good imaging is generally a prerequisite for the perception of good soundstage

[vale mist]

no it isn't, just because one is there doesn't mean it's good at both

should try some good iems, iems can have quite good imaging but terrible soundstage

my point has been you shouldn't need any high quality hifi audio to play games at a competitive level because the game engine is good enough

gaming audio isn't very good to begin with and pro players use it and perform well

audio is a very small part of skill. and aim and knowing maps well is far far more important

and I'd say that even extends to keyboard latency too even for rythm games

I know of quite a few players who use Logitech membrane keyboards at an insane level of play

[supple gust]

It’s an extremely large part of skill in heavily sound based games. One of these games happens to be valorant and similar shooters.

[heavy herald]

Any wired keyboards w/ numpad to recommend with "silent" switches and no wrist pad, open concept/easy to clean? RGB not necessary but welcomed.

[spark hatch]

Keychron c2 or k10 are decent, Leopold also has some nice options

As for silent switches you'll probably have to get those third party, don't know any baords that come with them stock off the top of my head

[heavy herald]

My current one is a blue clicky, just grown tired of the noise.