peripherals

[chrome raft]

you

and if you have the money you can build a custom board

[ember void]

yeah but i dont have the right knowledge for that 😄

[chrome raft]

no its not about knoledge

its about if you have the money for it

[ember void]

ok

[past peak]

There we go finially

[chrome raft]

nice

[ember void]

i have also heard great about novelkeys, mode design, iquinix and so much more. So hard to choose. Like i have problems to decide which pair of socks im gonna wear for the day 😄

[past peak]

It does nothing

[chrome raft]

mode is a custom keyboard brand

they make rlly expensive cases

nk sells switches

and other things

iquinix makes the L80

[ember void]

ok thanks 🙂

[chrome raft]

np

[hearty cedar]

its a kyria pcb which doesnt work

[chrome raft]

oh

[past peak]

You scammer

[hearty cedar]

I said it didnt work dumbass

[chrome raft]

???

[past peak]

Scammer

[hearty cedar]

Stop being annoying, i literally said it didn't work otherwise i used it

[past peak]

Take it back

[hearty cedar]

Throw it away idc about iot

[shut flame]

first "build"

should i get

[shut flame]

do i get browns or reds

[chrome raft]

its not brows vs reds more like light tactile vs linear

[chrome raft]

https://www.monstargears.com/1291362592/?idx=470 some nice cheap light tacti;es

[spark hatch]

its preferance, do you want a bump or a smooth motion when you press the key

[shut flame]

im not gonna use them bc im also gonna get diced fruit im just wandering what to get stock with the keyboard

[spark hatch]

if your just replacing them it doesnt matter

[shut flame]

ill just get brown

[north jacinth]

NO

[ionic briar]

eh its fine
switch feel is preference at the end of the day

if they like light tactiles, let them do

[north jacinth]

true, i just think browns sound bad

hmm i think we had this conversation

[unkempt dome]

sound is also preference

[spark hatch]

They said they were getting different switches to replace the browns anyway so it doesn't really matter

[unkempt dome]

indeed ...

if I was to get a board with switches and replace them I would probably try something I'm not used to ...

[spark hatch]

yea

[unkempt dome]

like I intend to get an akko board so I would probably get some linear just to try them ... and then hate them and swap them out

[spark hatch]

I usually get clickies for boards I plan on swapping

yea

[unkempt dome]

the only clicky I would like to try are the zeal clickiez

for the rest i have the kailh box

[crisp meteor]

<==loves linear. Not a max-tier keyboard nerd, but MX Speed Silver is a good thing!

[unkempt dome]

I really don't like linear

[crisp meteor]

Yea, many people are like you!

[unkempt dome]

really ... damn ... I didn't know about that ... thought a lot more people liked linear

[crisp meteor]

I feel like they get "put out there" as a gaming thing, but I don't know that it's actually a popular choice.

For the record I've had (I think in order) Razor Green, MX Brown, MX Silver, and MX Red ... my "awaiting delivery" Ducky One 3 TKL is coming with Silvers...I liked them way more than anything else

(nobody else I know well personally actually uses linear)

[unkempt dome]

not a lot of people I know have a mechanical keyboard

i mean irl

[crisp meteor]

Browns/tactiles seem like what most of the folks I know like

Yea... I'm not talking a huge sample size here either... but, they like browns 😄

(I'd say I have a half dozen IRL friends with mechanicals... and four of them are on browns)

[unkempt dome]

not counting family ... maybe 3 persons I know have mechanical keyboard

[crisp meteor]

I'm actually incuding a friend with "optical" in my count

[unkempt dome]

optical is about the same ... usually the basic shape and feel of the switch is kind of the same ... except for the weird razor where all the switches have stabilizers ...

[spark hatch]

damn, for me all my friends are into linears, only me and family members use tactiles

[unkempt dome]

which rattles a lot

[crisp meteor]

huh... given I expect none of us has a huge sample size, maybe it's just very dependent on your personal sample

[unkempt dome]

I have more tactile switches cause I didn't like the linear

[crisp meteor]

I don't dislike "browns", I just found I preferred the short throw linear silvers

[spark hatch]

yea

[unkempt dome]

I prefer short throw tactile

with a nice snappy tactile bump

[spark hatch]

I dont mind brown style tactiles but if your getting a tactile that light just get a linear tbh

[crisp meteor]

I like the feel of a bump, but I don't like that it does add a bit of "click"

[unkempt dome]

nah I prefer the bump of cherry brown over any linear

[crisp meteor]

...a quiet tactile is something I haven't tried, but would

[unkempt dome]

the one I tried are nice but a bit mushy

[spark hatch]

I dont notice the bump when I type at speed

[unkempt dome]

I do notice it

also the linear I tried was probably too light for me and that's why I didn't like them

[crisp meteor]

ah, if you don't like light, stay away from the silvers that I like... they are "feather touch"

I totally get wanting the feel of some weight

[spark hatch]

I havent tried many linears I think the only linear i've tried was a razer linear or maybe a cherry red

[ionic briar]

you have tried gat yellows right?

[unkempt dome]

yes

and reds

[spark hatch]

I actaully am currently working on a build with gat yellows to try out

[ionic briar]

yellows are still a tad too light for you iirc?

[spark hatch]

what did you think of them?

[unkempt dome]

way too light for me

I actuate them just by resting my fingers on them

[ionic briar]

hmm
kailh ancient gray time

[unkempt dome]

they are really good linear for the price ... smooth af ... imo don't need lube as a starter ... bit of key wobble but it's barely noticeable when typing

[spark hatch]

ah

[ionic briar]

yea
if you dont open em up for lubing
the key wobble is pretty fine for yellow

[spark hatch]

well I have films I can put in them anyway to fix the wobble

[unkempt dome]

you should totally get them

or check out some akko linear

the akko board I was checking out is out of stock

akko 3068b in black and gold ... but there's the board in black and pink ... but there's only ttc linear switches available ... I wanted to try the cs jelly purple

[spark hatch]

ive never looked into akkos stuff

[unkempt dome]

well you should ...

their switches are quite nice and really not expensive

[spark hatch]

I'll look into it if I end up not liking gat yellows, whats ones of there decent tactile options?

[ionic briar]

lavender purple from akko?

[unkempt dome]

those are great

but the jelly lavender purple are boxed and a bit heavier than the original ones

[crisp meteor]

<==newb

what is "boxed"?

[spark hatch]

ah alr, I'll look into them, ty for the recomendation

[unkempt dome]

boxed on top ...

[ionic briar]

the stem is box shape so to speak

[unkempt dome]

they are also dust resistant

also now the normal ones can be bought prelubed

[crisp meteor]

🤔

the advantage of the stem shape is stability I assume?

[spark hatch]

yea I believe so

[unkempt dome]

yes and also makes it more difficult for stuff getting into the switch when it's pressed down

[full hull]

Mousepad people

What's really good control pad

Except Odin Eclipse or Artisan Zero

or any mousepad that gets uber fucked by humidity

Looking at Esports Tiger Lingyun

[spark hatch]

people actually care about their mouse pad? damn

[full hull]

Not everyone likes washing their Gigantus V2 or GSR every month

[whole timber]

I’m thinking of trying to lube switches but my keyboard isn’t hot-swappable so I’d need a soldering iron. Does anyone know of a good one for a beginner?

[coral ferry]

Why not just lube them while still soldered on?

[ionic briar]

cause its inconsistent to do so

jamming your brush into a teeny tiny gap isnt the recipe for consistency

[coral ferry]

then don't use a brush

[unkempt dome]

What else would you want to use then ... needle ?

[lethal cipher]

my rk68 plus came today yay

[full hull]

nice what switches you planning on putting on them? @lethal cipher

or you're fine with the stock gaterons

[lethal cipher]

im fine with stock browns

[full hull]

yeah that's nice

but if you do want to try something different imo go Ajazz Diced fruit

[lethal cipher]

ok ty for that suggestion

anyways i got it today and am pretty happy with it

its a hard transition from 100% kb to 65%

[chrome raft]

you should probably try 75% before going to 65

[chrome raft]

boxed has less stem wobble

[chrome raft]

please explain to me how you open switches on a pcb

[unkempt dome]

the only way to do it is by pushing the stem and getting some lube in there ... which does not make much difference and can be really inconsistent like it was said before ...

[coral ferry]

push the tabs?

[chrome raft]

ok but what about your fingers??

[chrome raft]

ikr

lubing isnt putting lube

lubing is trying to try to reduce the friction between moving parts

[maiden turtle]

so guys in your opinion what is the best deal in the 65 percent keebs

i honestly need to know

[maiden turtle]

cheaper the better

[coral ferry]

My fingers are great

[maiden turtle]

pretty difficult to do unless your keeb does not have a plate

[chrome raft]

prebuilt or custom

[maiden turtle]

custom

[chrome raft]

kbd67

ig???

[maiden turtle]

just going to reuse my everglide moyus there

[maiden turtle]

ah that is what i came to as well

[chrome raft]

theres like a billion options

[maiden turtle]

just wanted to know if there are others

which are like cheaper

even perhaps under 100

[chrome raft]

theres a one from nk i think

novelkeys

[maiden turtle]

yeah

[chrome raft]

its not less then 100

[maiden turtle]

i need to check them out

[maiden turtle]

wel

[chrome raft]

Can you Talk here about mouses or just keyboard

[maiden turtle]

as long as it fits on my imaginary budget its fine

[maiden turtle]

i suppose mouse's will be in pc hardware

[mighty hedge]

Hello guys, can you recommend to me a great keyboard? I am a membrane user . But my old keyboard is almost dead so I need to buy a new one. Something good under $80 ?

[spark hatch]

I've seen people use super lube and put 1-3 drops in every corner for ~decent~ results

[spark hatch]

What layout?

[unkempt dome]

well that's probably the best thing to do yeah ... or gpl 105

is super lube good enough ?

[spark hatch]

Maybe? I've never tried it my self but I've seen some people do it but it's hard to tell from videos

[unkempt dome]

well I bet some did try wd40 or M1 ... that doesn't mean it's a good idea ... terrible idea actually ...

[spark hatch]

Good point

[spark hatch]

that looks alr

[past peak]

It looks like someone has a stroke while placing keycaps

[astral tide]

kes2006 very rude

[past peak]

Why is it rude

It isnt instantly a mean thing

[spark hatch]

It's preferance if they like they're keycaps like that then it it doesn't really matter

[chrome raft]

i want a cheap in price keyboard, this seems fine?

[turbid jungle]

best material for plate for a deeper sound?

[spark hatch]

There's batter options

Better

[spark hatch]

Polycarbonate?

I think is what it's called

[chrome raft]

got any suggestions?

[spark hatch]

it costs alittle more with shipping but its worth the extra cash

https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-c1-wired-mechanical-keyboard?variant=32321247182937

you dont have to get hot swap but its a nice thing to have if ever want different switches

[chrome raft]

ooo aight, I'm used to just all black keyboard keys or wat ever but I'll check it out thanks

[spark hatch]

ah

[chrome raft]

my mobile data sucks so I'll check it out after work

[spark hatch]

ah alr

[crisp meteor]

Does this look like a decent choice for a first time lube? (will be used on MX Speed Silver)

CDN prices btw

[ionic briar]

i would be wary about the 205g0 included with thekit

otherwise, it looks solid for the price

[crisp meteor]

ok. What's the issue with that specific lube?

[ionic briar]

just a chance of not real 205g0
could be an equal mix of 205g2 and 105
or just not 205g0 in general

[spark hatch]

its decent lube

I bought that my first time thinking it was real 205g0

its not amazing, very watery but if you shake it well its decent

[ionic briar]

https://keyspresso.ca/products/krytox-205g0
this is what 205g0 being sold at a small size custom keyboard parts vendor in canada

[crisp meteor]

At this point I have no personal frame of reference to know what would be so great about 205g0 anyway...more just to get an opener and brushes at the same time in a convenient way

[ionic briar]

205g0 should be viscous
not watery like @spark hatch described

[spark hatch]

yea

[crisp meteor]

Hmm. So, for my basic "first time" needs, this is likely a good place to start...yes?

[ionic briar]

yea

[crisp meteor]

k, thanks for the info!

[spark hatch]

it should be fine

[ionic briar]

the lube doesnt degrade your switch right?

thats my main concern

[spark hatch]

just make sure to shake it well and it should be fine

[spark hatch]

ive only used it in stabs, used reall 205 for my switches

[ionic briar]

the whole ordeal with krytox lubricants that are advertised for switches is that they dont degrade the plastic
since those lubricants are not petroleum based

[spark hatch]

It doesnt seem to have done any damage to my stabs tho

[ionic briar]

@crisp meteor just a precautionary thing
lube a test switch and let it sit for like 3 days to see if there are signs of the plastic being melted or erroded

[spark hatch]

I've used it on 3 differnet sets of stabs and they're all fine so I wouldn't think its petroleum based

[ionic briar]

i see
again, precautionary measure just to be safe

[spark hatch]

yea

probably a good idea

[crisp meteor]

That'll be easy enough... I have an old K95 with a couple stuck switches... I can use it for testing

(that keyboard developed a drinking problem...)

[spark hatch]

lmao, nice.

[hardy anchor]

is anybody else having this issue on linux (arch)...when u go into standby mode and turn your pc back on again the wooting kb stays black, without light and cklicked keys r only sometimes recognized?

[spark hatch]

ask in #linux

[lethal cipher]

Hi guys

i recently got the rk68 plus and cant seem to find a software for it and does this keyboard even have a software?

the seller in amazon says it has a softweare\

[full hull]

https://rkgamingstore.com/pages/software
@lethal cipher

[lethal cipher]

im asking about RK68** Plus**

and for some reason it said USB not detected

and i plugged in the usb wire

[vale mist]

they likely all use the same software

[lethal cipher]

oh can u tell me how to install it

[vale mist]

if it's not listed on the site it's probably not supported rn

[stone sparrow]

are the gl low profile switches on the g915 any good?

[fallow mica]

any keyboard hackers here? Was wondering if is there a way of flashing the K55 PRO RGB firmware on K55 RGB standard... 🧐

[chrome raft]

lol was hoping it was on walmart.com cause I got $25 gift card was hoping to use it

[spark hatch]

Nothing at Walmart is good

[chrome raft]

well name brand stuff?

[chrome raft]

are red switches smooth and quiet if I remember?

[spark hatch]

G915 is not good

[spark hatch]

Reds (linear) is a smooth motion
Browns (tactile) have a bump when the switch is actuated
Blues (clickys) similar to tactile but has a distinct click

Browns at reds are about the same in terms of sound

[chrome raft]

ah ok thanks

I'll do reds then

[chrome raft]

have u personally bough this keyboard?

[spark hatch]

I have

It's MUCH better than anything you're gonna get at Walmart, if you can squeeze out the extra cash it's very with it

[chrome raft]

ye I usually buy stuff from gaming brands like razer, Logitech gaming, and etc cause idk why but ye

I'ma buy it most likely

[spark hatch]

Yea, those boards aren't very good

[chrome raft]

ye

my steel series keyboard I haven't cleaned very well... and some switches aren't working most of time

my fault but ye

[spark hatch]

Ah, if you have issues with killing switches you should maybe consider getting hotswap, it costs more but if you have a switch die you can just pull it out and put a new one in

[chrome raft]

ye I was gonna get it

$10 extra but prob worth it

[spark hatch]

Yea

[chrome raft]

worth it instead of buying a whole new keyboard

[spark hatch]

Yea

[chrome raft]

@spark hatch thanks!

sadly no honey coupons lol but all good

[stone sparrow]

I've got the g910

Was wondering if it was an upgrade

[royal patrol]

gk61 stabs do be genuine aids

gonna have to get some durock stabbywabbies

[spark hatch]

glad to help

[spark hatch]

if you want a low profile get a keychron low profile they're decent

but I would not recommend the g915 due to its high price. and issues it has

[stone sparrow]

im asking bc I dont know if i want low pro

like is it better?

[spark hatch]

they're quieter

I'd say no lowprofile is not better

[vale mist]

not many benefits just preference

[stone sparrow]

I likes my romer gs I know im a scrub for that

[spark hatch]

I'd take a normal profile over a low profile anyday

[spark hatch]

yea

[stone sparrow]

but the 1.5mm actuaction is stellar

[spark hatch]

well the g915 doesnt use romer

[stone sparrow]

or atleast it used to be i dont know if thats still high tier

I know

but its also 1.5mm

[spark hatch]

they're some inhouse lowprofile I think, it doesnt say

personally I would get like a keychron c1 and then if you like the fast actuation get like speed silver switches

[vale mist]

fast actuation is mostly just a marketing thing

[spark hatch]

yea

it really doesnt make a differnce, your just gonna bottom out anyway

[vale mist]

if you want something low get a wooting or steelseries apex

that way you can adjust it to whatever you'd like

[stone sparrow]

okay I have the g910

and i was wondering if the g915 wwas better

and I saw it used lowpro switches

and tbh I dont care if they are low pro or not

[spark hatch]

no its not I would never recommend anyone to get the g915

[stone sparrow]

just wanted to know if they where as good as the romer g tactiles

[spark hatch]

I've never used a romer g but its a lowprofile switch so its gonna feel differnt from romer

[stone sparrow]

I see

well I love my g910

but I kinda wanna move to a like metal keyboard

like its plenty sturdy

its just all plastic

can the mods be pinged?

big thanks

tbh

ive never used any mechanical switches other than romer g tactile

I have another keyboard form wallmart with knockoff mx blues

loudest keyboard ive ever heard

[spark hatch]

if you want metal take a look at the keychron q1 or uhm gmmk pro? i think is what its called

[stone sparrow]

my g910 was $175 when I got it

ive always been really satisfied with it

but that $40 keyboard from wallmart was metal

and really solid

the switches are awful

but it made my g910 feel cheap

[spark hatch]

i mean you could desolder the walmart ones switches and put differnt switches inif you wanted

[stone sparrow]

I gues the real reason ive held onto the g910 is bc of all the features

but tbh I dont use the macros atall

but the media controlls and volume scroll wheel are a must

[spark hatch]

ahh

[stone sparrow]

especially the volume wheel is pretty much essential

[spark hatch]

you want dedicated media?

[stone sparrow]

same reason I have a hardware eq

easy to get to

[spark hatch]

if you want a wheel you could get keychron q1 or gmmk pro

those are the only boards that come off the top of my head

[stone sparrow]

keychron q1 I see no wheel

[spark hatch]

yea it does

ill find it in a sec'

theres 2 versions of it

https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-q1-qmk-custom-mechanical-keyboard-knob-version

[vale mist]

volume knob is only useful if you don't have a external amp imo

[stone sparrow]

i have that aswell

actually

yeah

I rarely use it after I got the external amps

I forgot

[vale mist]

dedicated media is only really important if you listen to music

[stone sparrow]

but yeah I do use dedicated media

so volume wheel isnt really important

[spark hatch]

fn f12 and 11 exist tho

that works just as well, 1 extra keypress

[stone sparrow]

fn?

[vale mist]

function key

[stone sparrow]

I dont have those keys chief

i have f1 to f12

but no fn key

[vale mist]

I think they're talking about the q1

[stone sparrow]

idk

[spark hatch]

im talking about q1

[stone sparrow]

the strix flare 2 is def intersting me

[spark hatch]

idk any boards with dedicated media i would recommend

[stone sparrow]

wish msi had one like that

[vale mist]

I can't wait til I get my wooting he60

[spark hatch]

havent heard of it

[vale mist]

wooting is a small analog keyboard company

[spark hatch]

ahh

[chrome raft]

anyone wanan gimem a kb/

[vale mist]

small at least compared to the main companies like Asus Corsair and razer

[spark hatch]

on one condition, you gotta get me a 3070 or better

[chrome raft]

no

ill get u a 000001

[vale mist]

no deal then

[spark hatch]

i see

[vale mist]

rn the 60he is a preorder and will be shipping out in q2

[spark hatch]

ah

oh thats a cool looking baord

it has like a handly thing right?

[vale mist]

yea but you can completely swap out to whatever 60% case you want

as long as it has the same screw layout

[spark hatch]

oh thats cool

[vale mist]

that's what I plan to do with mine

tofu with epbt keycaps

[spark hatch]

sounds pretty nice

[hearty cedar]

Why not build a tofu at that point

i think you'll be stuck with plate mount stabs

[spark hatch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/919720016285429770/945494650976866434/20220221_144621.mp4

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/919720016285429770/945498110120067143/20220221_172711.mp4

Before and after on a 20$ keyboard

[vale mist]

the switches

lekker switches are only able to be used on wooting boards

and normal pcbs don't support them

[hearty cedar]

atleast gummy o ring mount it then

and not tray mount it

[vale mist]

I'm more concerned about durability with the mod

this is going to be heavily used for rythm games

I do plan to add the silicone spacers the tofu comes with anyways

[chrome raft]

What's a good keyboard?

My old keyboard finally broke, but I don't know what I should get

[spark hatch]

what layout you want?

[chrome raft]

Don't really know much about keyboards, but i'd like a 80%

[spark hatch]

budget?

[chrome raft]

$150 cad

[spark hatch]

what kind of switch? linear tactile or clicky?

[chrome raft]

clicky

[spark hatch]

damn ok

[spark hatch]

https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-c1-wired-mechanical-keyboard?variant=32321247215705

sorry late responce I got distracted

[sleek bronze]

Any ortholinears or split users here ?

(or both at once lmao)

[opaque shard]

Yeah

Well, not quite ortholinear. I use column staggered

[sleek bronze]

Yeah this does feel more ergo since our fingers are not the same length

So, any feedbacks ? 🙂

Are you a native english speaker ? (With this I mean : "do you use any accent like à,é,è,ù etc")

I currently have a DIY full size keeb with numpad to the left and maybe i'm thinking of making another one in the future, though I should buy something to cut acrylic beforehand

[opaque shard]

I'm from Norway. We don't have any accents, but we have 3 extra letters in the alphabet Æ Ø Å

I mostly type in english, so I just use standard Colemak-DH

I don't think it would be good if you need lots of accents

My feedback is:

This keyboard is better than anything I've ever used, but there's still room for improvement. That's why I've designed my own and I'm waiting for it to arrive now.

This keyboard sucks for gaming, but it's godlike for typing and programming

The stagger is good, but not perfect. This particular keyboard I only built, not designed. It's designed for those with ring finger shorter than index finger. Mine is the opposite. It's not a big deal, but a case for improvement.

[sleek bronze]

Could you show me your design ?
How come your ring finger is longer than your index lmao

[opaque shard]

Hands are different 🤷

[sleek bronze]

About this, you are talking about the colemak layout or just the keyboard as a whole

[opaque shard]

Colemak in general I guess

This is the keycap layout on the new one I designed

(It has one less key compared to the one I currently use)

[sleek bronze]

Ok ok

And what do you use it for ?

Just typing a bit on discord and such ?

[opaque shard]

Here's the PCB if you're interesed

I use it for typing everywhere, and I do a lot of programming

[sleek bronze]

So for programming

[opaque shard]

Yeah

[sleek bronze]

Is it handy for {]),; arrow keys and basically any shortcuts useful for a programmer/sysadmin ?

[opaque shard]

I can show you my (slightly outdated) keymap

In short: Yes, it's very handy for all of those

[sleek bronze]

I'll take a look thanks

Was the switch hard and painful ?

[opaque shard]

Yes 😅

[sleek bronze]

😦

[opaque shard]

About 3 weeks of 1h practice per day

[sleek bronze]

And now is your typing speed as good as before ?

[opaque shard]

And after that I ditched my traditional keyboard entirely

Yeah, I think I'm maybe 10% slower than before still. But I get far less hand-fatigue

[sleek bronze]

How long has it been ?

[opaque shard]

But my speed is still improving. I used traditional keyboards for like 15 years while these kinds I've only used for 6 months

[sleek bronze]

I feel like a cop interrogating you lmao

[opaque shard]

Nah it's fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wZ8FRwOzhU

You might like watching this guy

[sleek bronze]

So what are the keys to go from one to the other layer ?

Oh thanks

I can't watch right now but i'll take a look later

[opaque shard]

To switch between layers, I hold a thumb key.

It behaves differently between tapping and holding. Tapping leads to whatever key is assigned to it that thumbkey. But if you hold it, it switches the layer to another for the entire keyboard

It's similar for the modifiers (Shift, ctrl, alt, super). I tap the key for the letter assigned to it. I hold it to apply the modifier

I'm surprised nobody at LTT is interested in this enough to do a video about it

I guess it's just that rare xD

[jaunty star]

meanwhile your making modern stuff im comparing some of my relics

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/932396479644057720/944414031429632030/IMG_2909.mov

IBM model M vs IBM rubber dome

[opaque shard]

Yeah, traditional designs are really not my thing anymore

[sleek bronze]

Oh yeah I saw the feature in the QMK firmware

What kit did you buy for this one ?

And how long do you need to hold it ?

[opaque shard]

I didn't buy any kit. It's not sold commercially anywhere afaik.

I bought switches, keycaps, jacks, micro-controllers at splitkb.com

But the PCB itself I had to get custom printed at JLCPCB

https://github.com/davidphilipbarr/Sweep

The source code for the PCBs is here for this one

I had to solder everything myself

Maybe I should send this keyboard to LTT once I'm no longer using it at all

Perhaps they'd be interested in trying it out

[sleek bronze]

Oh okay, thought there was a kit

Don't know if I have the patience to do this again instead of just a kit

What about the white layer on top of the PCB ?

[opaque shard]

It's the PCB, it just has a white finish. You can choose what finish it has when ordering it

[sleek bronze]

So behind there is nothing but directly the PCB to the desk ?

[opaque shard]

Atm that's true. But I've got some felt feet on it atm. And I'm thinking about gluing some anti-slip rubbermat under it. It would be no problem designing a case or just a simple backplate for it though

[sleek bronze]

That's what I did for my current keyboard

But it's waaaaay bigger sooo

(yeah there is something that got inside)

[opaque shard]

I'm really into low profile keyboards, and adding a backplate adds noise and height, so that's why I like the rubbermat idea

[ornate wharf]

Didgy

[sleek bronze]

I like thin keyboards too but it was more an attempt to have something that just... works as a first build

For a full size keyboard just a PCB isn't rigid enough

[opaque shard]

Yeah, should help to just have a mount-plate though

I'm getting a mount plate for the new keyboard I ordered. It's especially important since I'm using hotswap sockets on that one

Someone posted this thing on the Norwegian keyboard Discord server

I'd actually enjoy something similar

[sleek bronze]

And what about tenting a split keyboard ? @opaque shard

[opaque shard]

I have not tried it yet

I want to

[sleek bronze]

Okay

[opaque shard]

I've just been focusing on finding the right layout and figuring out how compact I can make the design first

[sleek bronze]

I think that is the main reason as to why split kbs are more ergo

[opaque shard]

I want to try something similar to this eventually, with a tenting kit

I might take this design (or something simila) and modify it to match my preferred layout and make it more compact without interrupting the ergonomic shape

But it's like way down the line for me

[sleek bronze]

Yeah, I'd need a 3D printer to do something like that anyway

[opaque shard]

I don't have one, but I'll just pay someone to print it for me

JLPCB does 3D prints for dirt cheap now

[sleek bronze]

That works indeed

Having one can be good to try out different things easily though

[opaque shard]

The only bad part is if you need to prototype it a lot, there's gonna be a really long iteration time in that case

Yeah

[sleek bronze]

Quickcly handwiring without a pcb to test a layout / shape

[opaque shard]

Yeah, that's important

Just testing the shape is important

[sleek bronze]

But my gf said "no 3D printer until we buy the house" 🤣

[opaque shard]

But I'm not experimenting with this before I experiment with physically smaller keycaps first to make less physical spacing between the keys

[sleek bronze]

I also kind of want to buy a moonlander just to get into splits without sinking too much time but this thing is so freaking expensive ...

[opaque shard]

So I've got lots of stuff to try out in 2D first

[sleek bronze]

Oh yeah that's also something i've been thinking about since I have small hands

[opaque shard]

Moonlander is underwhelming and expensive, yeah

[sleek bronze]

Yeah ...

[opaque shard]

That guy whose video I posted bought a Moonlander initially

[sleek bronze]

I saw that

I looked at the video and his channel

[opaque shard]

Only to take away half the keys and end up not using it at all shortly after

[sleek bronze]

I saw that too, it made me laugh ^^

[opaque shard]

I've spent like 200 USD in total on keyboard gear I think. A bit more if you count the soldering gear I had to get along with it

[sleek bronze]

Around the same probably for mine

So about those smaller keycaps

Do you have any examples ?

[opaque shard]

Not yet

[sleek bronze]

Your low profile keycaps are already smaller than the one I use (which are fairly basic) I think

[opaque shard]

Yeah, I use Kailh Choc low profile spacing.

The standard spacing for those switches is slightly smaller than regular MX

The width of my current keycaps is nice

But they have too much spacing vertically

So I was planning to try designing some that are similar to mine but shorter vertically and 3D print them to test

[sleek bronze]

Gonna be hard to 3D print that :/

[opaque shard]

We'll see

Alternatively, I could cut my current keycaps

[sleek bronze]

Will be hard to have a good finish

[opaque shard]

Wouldn't be quite as accurate, but I would expect that to work

Yeah, I don't care so much about having a nice finish

[sleek bronze]

I mean the feeling on your fingers

[opaque shard]

I'm all about the functionality. Don't care about aesthetics and feeling

[sleek bronze]

It's rounded currently from what I see

[opaque shard]

It's a dome shape yeah

I'd only remove a millimeter from each side probably

Next project would be using even more low profile switches, but they only come in 50g weights. I prefer 20-30g

[sleek bronze]

20g wow

[opaque shard]

I'm on 20g atm

But it's just slightly too light for me I think, so I'm gonna try out 35g next

[gleaming atlas]

jesus that's light

[opaque shard]

Nah, I've got other ergo-keyboard enthusiast acquintances who do 12g

But you need to manually switch springs for that

[gleaming atlas]

mine are 95g to even hope to not bottom out lmao

[opaque shard]

There are no Kailh Choc switch variants with 12g. The lowest is 20g

I don't mind bottoming out. I use linear switches. It's just that I don't want to use much finger strength to actuate my keys.

I find it really interesting to experiment with different gear and typing technique to spend less energy and fatigue in my fingers/hands

[sleek bronze]

So i've made up my mind, i'll find a split pcb with a bit more keys than yours and use low profile keycaps/switches too

[gleaming atlas]

Yea, I had far lighter switches previously but the issue was that I would lightly bump a key and actuate it. So as far as I can tell, the only fix that has worked is to have heavy switches. Even typing for a while doesn't bother me. Granted I don't tend to write an essay at a time but I don't really foresee any issues with it based on my use over that last year or so.

[opaque shard]

I started out with the Lily58. You can sometimes find kits for that one also

[sleek bronze]

Yeah but I'd need to find one with choc spacing

[opaque shard]

Oh you want Choc spacing

That limits your options for sure

[sleek bronze]

I believe that choc spacing would be one of the greatest improvement in ergo with small hands yeah

[opaque shard]

For reference, my keyboard is called the "Ferris"

(Or rather, it's a mod of the Ferris called "Sweep")

[sleek bronze]

I'm on the github page yeah

[opaque shard]

Choc spacing is fantastic for small hands. I too have small hands

[sleek bronze]

I'll need to see if there is a version of the lily58 in choc spacing

https://github.com/AnthonyAmanse/untitled-keyboard

Nice one

for me

[stone sparrow]

Okay

Unpopular opinion

90% of custom keyboards look boring to me

[steady hatch]

true

they all look the same and cost either nothing or a kidney

[stone sparrow]

Straight looks like a $20 keyboard

And yeah all look the same

I mean it doesn't have to be a g910

[steady hatch]

i built a KBD67 lite v3 recently and its nothing special

[stone sparrow]

It doesn't have to this "gamer"

[steady hatch]

This hobby is for people that think its cool

[stone sparrow]

But come one something

[sleek bronze]

We often like simple things

[steady hatch]

when in reality its just a keyboard

[stone sparrow]

I got made fun of for wanting the rog strix Flare 2 animate

[steady hatch]

its cool

[stone sparrow]

He said it was ugly and extra

[steady hatch]

looks cool to me

[stone sparrow]

Like its pretty chill compared to the g910 I currently have

[sleek bronze]

I mean there is a lot of unused space (the whole top and the far right), also it's pretty expensive and wrist pads are actually not good for ergonomics, so that's why people may not like it

But if you like the design, well I guess that it's ok

[stone sparrow]

I'm not a minimalist

[sleek bronze]

Not saying you are

[stone sparrow]

I like big

That's why I got a huge desk

[sleek bronze]

Just explaining why people may not like it

[stone sparrow]

Also the wrist rest doesn't have to be used

[sleek bronze]

Of course

[stone sparrow]

I probably will use it tho

Volume knob is unnecessary

But dedicated media controls are

[steady hatch]

volume knob is a amazing thing

[stone sparrow]

And not on fn keys

I use external amps

I leave windows at 100

[sleek bronze]

Dedicated media controls are fine but it's a bit far to reach imo

[steady hatch]

well then that does make it useless

i mean what are you listening to that you wont like every song on there?

[stone sparrow]

So genuinely like the actuation levels of romer g

[steady hatch]

media keys are literally used so rarely

[stone sparrow]

But the switches are pretty low quality tbh

So I plan to get Kailh speed coppers

[steady hatch]

i got gateron yellows and they feel ok

[stone sparrow]

Also

[steady hatch]

but cherry has never failed me so its a good option

[stone sparrow]

The strix comes with pre lubed rog reds

And I've never used linear

But its hotswappable

[steady hatch]

lubing and filming a switch makes a noticeable difference

[stone sparrow]

So I can try the linear see if I like it then I can get the kailh speed coppers

Or silvers if it turn out I like linear

I doubt I will though

[steady hatch]

what do you like switch wise?

[stone sparrow]

I like knowing exactly when the key actuates

But no clicky

I like romer g

At the top of the stroke

The rest is pretty bad

[steady hatch]

heavy linear switches are good

[stone sparrow]

How do you know when it actuates?

[steady hatch]

i mean you can feel it

[stone sparrow]

It's linear

That's the point there's no bump

[vale mist]

you know it actuates when you see the actual letter appear

[steady hatch]

idk in my opinion heavy linear switches have a feel to them

[stone sparrow]

I'll try the linear but

Idk

[steady hatch]

get a switch tester or go to some store

[vale mist]

or you can just bottom out always like I do

[stone sparrow]

I like the tactile bc you have to overcome it feels like I know exactly when that action will happen

Looking from gaming perspective

I don't bottom out

[steady hatch]

linears are better for gaming

[stone sparrow]

And I like really high actuation points

[steady hatch]

most gamers use linears

[stone sparrow]

That's why I'm going for speed switches

[vale mist]

speeds are okay

the actuation point is more annoying than helpful for daily use

[stone sparrow]

Also I know the actuation has happened as soon as the tactile bump ends

So I know immediately when to lift my finger

I'm focused on gaming

I'm not a typer

[steady hatch]

mx reds

were actually really nice for gaming when i had them

[frosty quarry]

So many options out there now

[steady hatch]

honestly some options are just copies and some dont even make a difference

[stone sparrow]

Idk I don't think I like the idea of you start pushing down the key and the actuation point is just somewhere

[steady hatch]

amazon

you buy the thing you dont like it you send it back

[stone sparrow]

Well

[steady hatch]

or you go to a store and try them out

[stone sparrow]

The rog strip keyboard comes with the rog reds

And if I don't like them I just replace them

[frosty quarry]

I'd get a board with swappable switches, yeah

[stone sparrow]

God I dont wanna get another rgb software

[frosty quarry]

There really needs to be a standard for RGB.

[stone sparrow]

Wow

Okay

Lemme rephrase that then

I'm a bit of a stickler for background apps

Though I really shouldn't I've plenty of ram and 12 cores

[steady hatch]

i mean performance

[stone sparrow]

My games hardly make full use of my cpu anyway

[steady hatch]

i have a logitech mouse and i uninstalled the logitech app coz it uses ram

[chrome raft]

dont buy asus boards

[stone sparrow]

I have the g910 g502 and the stream cam

[chrome raft]

cool

were not talking about mice here

[stone sparrow]

So I use the logi software

[chrome raft]

ok

[stone sparrow]

The mouse has on board memory so I can store my profile stuff there

And the cam doesn't really need the software

So I could probably get rid of the ghub

[chrome raft]

ok were not talking about mouse here

[stone sparrow]

Can the keyboard cycle rgb effects?

[chrome raft]

mouse is in #build-a-pc

[stone sparrow]

@steady hatch

[steady hatch]

as in rainbow ?

[vale mist]

Depends on what keyboard you get

[stone sparrow]

No like can you change effect withought the software?

[steady hatch]

most of them do static colours, rainbow and so on

there probably is a key bind

[vale mist]

others like ducky you can change per key lighting with just the keyboard no software

[chrome raft]

they dont

look at the custom keebs with insane brass weights

[steady hatch]

who is looking at the back of a keyboard ?

[stone sparrow]

What is that one effect where every key you press sends out a ripple?

I want to use that one

[steady hatch]

ripple

most of them have basic ones

[stone sparrow]

Jeez

Also I'd have to use armory crate to turn up to 8000hz

[steady hatch]

8000hz makes like no difference

[stone sparrow]

Its litterally just spec chasing to me

Its not about actual function

[steady hatch]

yes its faster but with human reaction times it makes no difference

[stone sparrow]

Oh I know

Same thing with my mouse

[vale mist]

if you want something fast just a apex pro

[stone sparrow]

Its only 1000hz

[vale mist]

"only"

[stone sparrow]

But its the fact that the keyboard has it

I'm gonna use it

Not that it's better

[chrome raft]

a lot of people do if there is a very very shiny brass weight there

[stone sparrow]

Just like how I run my audio at 768khz

[vale mist]

waste of space considering the human ear can't even hear above 22khz

[steady hatch]

a keyboard is literally always being used with the keys up

[stone sparrow]

That's is not audio frequency

Its sample rate

[vale mist]

it equates to the same thing

44.1 is 20hz-22khz

768 is god knows how much

[stone sparrow]

We are talking about how many times per second Its samples a digital signal to convert to analog

[vale mist]

lol no

that's bitrate

[stone sparrow]

Bit rate is the depth of the samples

[vale mist]

that's bit depth

[stone sparrow]

Sample rate is litteraly how many times per second it samples

Anyway off topic

[sleek bronze]

@stone sparrow What he means with that is that there is a mathematical theorem that proves that we don't need more than 44.1Khz to cover the audible spectrums, it's called the niquist shannon theorem or something like that

He probably didn't know that but I don't know

[stone sparrow]

Okay yes I understand that it cover the spectrum

But thats not that difficult

[sleek bronze]

?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist–Shannon_sampling_theorem

It is a difficult theorem

[stone sparrow]

Wouldn't you want as much resolution ad posible

[sleek bronze]

Well, there is a point where it's uneeded to have more and this "point" is defined by this theorem

[vale mist]

resolution no headphone or speaker can process

[sleek bronze]

No speakers and headphoen can process infinite amount of "resolution"

Since the whole concept of "resolution" doesn't exist in analog device, which they are

[stone sparrow]

When converting to analog you want as smooth a signal as posible

Hense the use of higher resokution

[chrome raft]

this is keyboards

not audio

[sleek bronze]

yeah

[chrome raft]

#announcements

no

#audio-tech

[stone sparrow]

This has the loudest switches I've ever heard

And they feel gross

But the board itself is actually built surprisingly

[opaque shard]

Looks pretty good

[chrome raft]

replace them tho

just learn how to solder

[spark hatch]

that can be easier said than done for some people but yea

[chrome raft]

ngl if you like the design of a keyboard and hate the switches, you can always swap the out

but soldering is hard

[spark hatch]

yea

[stone sparrow]

Maybe

[spark hatch]

ehh, if you have even just a half ass decent solder iron its prtty easy to pick up

[stone sparrow]

Its just for my secondary rig

It'd be nice to try tho

I've always wanted to get into that

And its not a big deal if I fuck up

I got it for $40

[spark hatch]

practice on some blank wire then once you feel confident then try soldering the baord

[stone sparrow]

I've soldered before

[spark hatch]

ah

[stone sparrow]

But its was in a electronics class 4 years ago

[spark hatch]

then your probably fine, its pretty hard to kill a board unless you burn a lead or the control chip

[chrome raft]

Good old rog doing baller shit

[stone sparrow]

Finally taking apart my g910

After 6 years

[spark hatch]

nice

[stone sparrow]

It has sand

And wood

[spark hatch]

oh~

[stone sparrow]

It disgusting

Some of the keycaps are failing

[spark hatch]

I bet, how do you get sand and wood in it? is it in a work shop or smth lmao

[stone sparrow]

I've no clue

No food in it tho

Odd

[spark hatch]

thats arguably worse than wood and sand so

[stone sparrow]

Ye but I used to eat at my pc so

Is that there's none

Also found what was rattling

That was just loose

Between the board and case

[spark hatch]

ah, what is it for? or is it just reinforcement that got loose

[stone sparrow]

It holds the phone dock

[spark hatch]

ah

[spark hatch]

oh I see

[stone sparrow]

Poor spacebar

Only one pin left

[spark hatch]

yikes

[stone sparrow]

I've had this since I was 13

[spark hatch]

damn

[stone sparrow]

Not exactly treated well

[spark hatch]

the longest ived daily drove a board is alittle over a year

[stone sparrow]

Romer g

Crusty keys

[spark hatch]

never felt a romer g, ik allot of people didnt like them

[stone sparrow]

Very responsive

But they don't feel great

[spark hatch]

like tactile bump or a high actuation force?

ah

[stone sparrow]

Nvm

[spark hatch]

oh

[stone sparrow]

Mis understood the question

They feel pretty good at the top

The bump is perfectly aligned with actuation that is at 1.5mm

But after you pass the tactile bump it feels cheap

And not really mushy

But like

Idk

[spark hatch]

ah I see

[stone sparrow]

Like

When you only press enough to actuate

[spark hatch]

yea I see

[stone sparrow]

Its really responsive

But when you go full bottom out the key it feels like a linear key

[spark hatch]

ah I see

[stone sparrow]

Or pretty close

[spark hatch]

yea

[brazen aspen]

IBM

[chrome raft]

when i first saw this i thought it was a rare vintage switch but i realised its romer g lmfaoooooo

[pseudo bolt]

Someone called?

[brazen aspen]

Damn you are good

[stone sparrow]

Keycap soup

[past peak]

share

[chrome raft]

hey how do I press a function key on a 60% board

[vale mist]

hold fn key down and press a key that has something labeled something under it

@chrome raft

[chrome raft]

oh ok

like the 1 key?

[vale mist]

yes

[chrome raft]

never mind I get it now

[chrome raft]

Cap cereal better

[spark hatch]

Keycap cereal~

Now I can't get that image out of my head

[sleek bronze]

What's your favorite place to buy keyboard parts ?

For EU

[ionic briar]

theres actually a lot of places
http://mechmap.tech/ has a list including lots of eu keyboard vendors

[restive oyster]

Could you guys suggest some southpaw kits/keyboards that are around 100$

[ionic briar]

southpaw75?

you could build one yourself actually, the whole thing is open sourced including the files for the pcb

if anything, its missing a proper case

https://github.com/kelvinhall05/Southpaw75

[restive oyster]

Is it hotswap?

[ionic briar]

its not unfortunately

[sleek bronze]

I like this one

It likes Fn keys for such a big kb though

[ionic briar]

cheap southpaw hotswap is rather niche
theres the gk96lxs
109 barebones

[restive oyster]

What about one that has hotswap

Dang ok how much is a soldering iron

And what else would I need

[sleek bronze]

Well buying a soldering iron kind of destroy the whole idea of having something cheap

Depending on if you never use it again or if you do other projects

[restive oyster]

What about 96/100% that have QMK and yet again are around 100$

[ionic briar]

i forgot that the wired barebone version fit into your budget cap

the gk96lx is 99.99 barebones

prob doesnt have qmk but i havent take a throughout read on their spec sheet

yea, they dont do qmk sadly

[restive oyster]

Anything else that has like a proper software?

[restive oyster]

It dosent need to be southpaw

[ionic briar]

just need to be full size/ 96%?

[restive oyster]

Yep

And 2.4ghz is appreciated

[chrome raft]

Anyone know a good keyboard for fps games

[steady hatch]

any keyboard you like

60% keyboards are nice there isnt a real answer since its all preference

[ionic briar]

we could guide you to choose better built qualiy boards
but at the end of the day, if your preference is not the one we recommend, just go ahead and buy one that you like

[restive oyster]

Could you guys give suggestions for 96% kits for 100% or fully made keebs for 150$

@ionic briar I checked out the gk96 dont know how much I want it

[spark hatch]

I think keychron has one, give me a sec Ill look

https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k4-wireless-mechanical-keyboard-version-2?variant=32287344590937

thats the only 96% ik of

[ionic briar]

for full size prebuilts, leopolds fc900r/fc980m if you want to stick with cherry switches, otherwise any akko 5108/5108s/acr98/3098
keychron also has some full size offerings, tho i dont really like its thin laser ablated abs caps

[restive oyster]

ok thanks!

[chrome raft]

i think vortex also has one

vortex tab 90

[spark hatch]

ah

[chrome raft]

and if you try hard enough you will probably find a custom offering

like on mechmarket or geekhack

some new group buy

[vale mist]

imagine that in ortholinear

[spark hatch]

personally I dont like ortholinear but that would be clean to look at

[chrome raft]

ok can anyone help me choose a keyboard

[frank basin]

my keyboard wont work pls help, I its connected to my pc but nothing happens when I type, the lights are working and I can even hold down space and fn, but no typing

[spark hatch]

layout?

[spark hatch]

sounds more like a solfeare issue, ask in #tech-support

[chrome raft]

TKL

[spark hatch]

keychron c1

[chrome raft]

as a gaming keyboard?

[spark hatch]

https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-c1-wired-mechanical-keyboard?variant=32321247215705

[spark hatch]

its way better than a "gaming" keyboard

[chrome raft]

how so

how is it better than a g pro x or an alloy fps pro

[frank basin]

well I reset the keyboard and now its only 4 of the keys that arent working but still cant get them to work

[spark hatch]

switches are lubed, stabilizers are lubed, better build quality, better keycaps (I think dont quote me on that one), hotswap if a switch dies or you wanna try different switches, its cheaper, also if you were looking in the gpro price range you could probably get a q1 or gmmk pro, which are aluminum built boards.

[spark hatch]

did you spill any liquid on it?

id try it in a differnt pc to start

[chrome raft]

and what about the fps pro

everyone else tells me to get that one

I haven't heard of keychron before

[spark hatch]

this chat is full of keyboard enthusiasts, you're gonna hear alot of names outside of the big oems

[unkempt dome]

You have to work real hard to find something that is not better than those ;)

If you want a gaming keyboard get whatever feels comfortable for you and what answer to all your requirements cause it's the most important thing ...

[spark hatch]

havent touched hyper x but its the same as any other oem

[spark hatch]

fair enough

[unkempt dome]

Don't fall into the gaming brand marketing bullshit

[chrome raft]

no kidding it's impossible to buy

I just feel like my gaming experience is going to be mediocre but the typing experience will be fine

[unkempt dome]

there's not such thing as that

[chrome raft]

I think I fell into that "marketing bulls**t" already

idk

[spark hatch]

the board I recommended is not gonna make the gaming experience worse or the typing better thats not how it works

[unkempt dome]

Better said than what I would be able to

[spark hatch]

well it might be a nicer typing but its not gonna afect gaming

[chrome raft]

I have no idea

I originally had a cynosa v2 but

it sucks lol

[spark hatch]

for example, I used the logitech g916 for over a year and have used a razer chroma max or smthn? for acouple months but ive since gotten into custom keyboards and I'll never go back to a large oem knowing how much better quility/sound you can get out of a custom. But if you value software and macros it might be better to go oem since only higher end boards have easy access to software in most cases

[chrome raft]

does keychron have software

And why is software such a big deal

[spark hatch]

the keychron q1 does but the c1 does not, but I think people might have make a software for it?

[chrome raft]

idk

[unkempt dome]

I don't use a software for any of my board

[chrome raft]

then how do you configure the rgb

Not like that is a priority whatsoever

[spark hatch]

to make custom rbg things, or macros are lot wasier to make in a software, in my opinion its not needed but ik some people care

[unkempt dome]

Most keyboard have hardware rgb settings ... and also I never use rgb

Pointless

[spark hatch]

depends on myn its fn q,a,w,s,e,d,and tab

[chrome raft]

macros are banned in most competitive

and I'll never use them so

[spark hatch]

so then software dont matter

[chrome raft]

I guess I'm looking for a simple board that has fast switches so I don't have much input lag

so would that be

[unkempt dome]

Fast switches don't matter unless you play osu and rhythm games

Or for typing

[spark hatch]

I'd get the c1 but if you're drawn to the hyper x and logic go for it, just knwo its not faster in any way

[unkempt dome]

That is part of the marketing bullshit

[spark hatch]

yea

[unkempt dome]

Cause 99% of the time you'll bottom out the switch anyway ... you can game with almost any kind of switches and will never have competitive advantage

[spark hatch]

yea

[unkempt dome]

If it was working like that every pro would game with an ultra slim scissor keyboard

[spark hatch]

yea

[unkempt dome]

Get the switches that feels comfortable for you and that's it ... it's a matter of preference

Like I really like to type on the kailh speed copper with an dsa keycap set ... it feels nice and it feels/appears to me that i type faster ... but i haven't measured my speed so it's probably just placebo effect for the speed

[chrome raft]

yeah I actually do

[spark hatch]

you could get a hotswap c1 and then get silver switches or some fast actuating switch

[unkempt dome]

Also like I said scissor switches will do better at that than any short travel mechanical switches

[vale mist]

fast switches aren't very good for newer players
it messes up with your learning and affects finger control

[unkempt dome]

Then don't bother getting "gamer" switches

And get what feel good using

[chrome raft]

no one cares about how your board performs in game
just dont buy gamer switches bc optical switches feel and sound worse then mechanical switches

[vital robin]

i found a Dell USB keyboard and was so happy
Because my logitech wireless and my laptop builtin do not have a numlock indicator (but comes with a numpad)
The amount of confusion at times are insane

[chrome raft]

oh ok

is the dell keyboard mechanical??

[vital robin]

no its a membrane
Dell dont brand any mechanical keyboards, I don't think.
Which is okay. They work.

[vale mist]

I'm saying they're not good for new player because it will affect your learning curve and make it harder down the line

not because of the actuation point but because of the lower keytravel

[chrome raft]

impressive price of resin

theres a bug on mk's website

and its rlly funny

2 thousand dollar artisan keycap

[vale mist]

and also hall effect switches and optical switches have increased durability which matters when you're playing rythm games specifically

I have broken many keyboards myself

[chrome raft]

r u a desk slammer

like you smash ur desk

[unkempt dome]

Not really tho ... unless you play osu 24/7 for 25 years

[chrome raft]

tru

[vale mist]

lol no just normal usage playing osu and etterna at a high skill level

I can send a video of my gameplay if you'd like

[unkempt dome]

I've seen osu gameplay

Will take years to go through 80 millions click

You get tired of the board before tha

Or pcb will fail

[vale mist]

one session of mine hit 100 thousand clicks over 4 keys it won't take very long

a single 2 hour session

[unkempt dome]

Then the difference between optical and mechanical is irrelevant

[vale mist]

https://youtu.be/lRRjI_szKi8

osu mania is a very different mode compared to normal osu