peripherals

[unkempt dome]

For me Ali Express is where it's the least expensive

[quasi wasp]

75€ for 110

[unkempt dome]

I don't know about euro

[quasi wasp]

What about dollars?

[unkempt dome]

I'm in canada

[quasi wasp]

Canadian dollars, then

[quasi wasp]

Would you recommend lubing them?

[unkempt dome]

Well don't worry about anything else

[unkempt dome]

If you think they need lubing when you try them

[chrome raft]

ill send u

in dms

[elder stone]

like, actually cheap? Hexgears GK705

around 60 bucks or so, fully hotswap, comes with kailh box red/brown/white

and is pretty easy to mod the crap out of

[quasi wasp]

Thx

[quasi wasp]

Makes sense

[quasi wasp]

Thx

[quasi wasp]

Why do Boba U4Ts have a packaging that results in some pins being bent

The one of Akko switches is way better

Despite being WAY cheaper

[quasi wasp]

@pallid trout btw does the Swiftpoint Z have a button to unlock the scroll wheel?

[pallid trout]

Nope

No freewheeling

😦

[quasi wasp]

Oh, snap

Why did they leave that out, tho?

It’s quite an important feature imo

[pallid trout]

Not sure 😦

[quasi wasp]

Why do they just throw them into a plastic bag

[pallid trout]

Easier and cheaper.

[unkempt dome]

Imagine how they would cost if they were packed in the premium way the akko are packed

[pallid trout]

oof true

lmao

[gilded topaz]

What do we think of the Asus Claymore 2?

[quasi wasp]

Is the build quality of the Akkos that much lower?

And should you use lube or grease for stabs?

[quasi wasp]

And what causes stabiliser rattle in the first place?

[ionic briar]

most of the time its unbalanced wire

when one side of the wire is higher than the other, making that side have to move extra distance before the other side move, which creates ticking

then theres the stuff like keycap warping, wire touching the stab's stem hole in a way that introduce ticking and rattling

[quasi wasp]

But not rattling?

[ionic briar]

whoops, forgot to type in rattling too

[quasi wasp]

Does lubing eliminate the rattling in these cases too?

[ionic briar]

the other creates ticking only i must add

[quasi wasp]

Ah

[quasi wasp]

And you can balance that out somehow?

[ionic briar]

yep
physically bending the wire

when it lays flat against a flat surface, thats when its balanced

[quasi wasp]

Nice

[quasi wasp]

Because people always say that you should lube them

[ionic briar]

i must add that you can only balance 1 side of the wire

[quasi wasp]

What about the other side?

Is that a problem or a perc?

[ionic briar]

lube is more to alleviate ticking

[quasi wasp]

Also, i don’t see how the holee mod alleviates this issue

Or the band aid mod

[ionic briar]

holee mod kinda creates a buffer so that it tightens your stab's stem hole if its too big

also acts as a sort of crumple zone so that the wire doesnt crash into the upper side of the hole and create unwanted noise

https://youtu.be/B1TodVGvF2g?t=98

[ionic briar]

not a problem

[quasi wasp]

Thanks for the info!

What does the band aid mod do, tho

[ionic briar]

theres 2 mod that uses the same ingridient
the first one which involves sticking band aid on the plate is for preventing plate mount stab housing to move around, therefore reducing unwanted noise
the second one which the band aid is on the pcb instead of the plate has an effect of dampened the bottom out feel of your stabs. Whether or not its a good or a bad thing, its up to you

theres an argument that the 2nd mod helps protecting the pcb

but i dont think so myself ngl

since the pcb dies arent that easy to scratch most of the time

[quasi wasp]

The clipping mod is also for dampening the interaction with the PCB?

[ionic briar]

nope, its the opposite, it enhance the feel of the stab's stem hitting the pcb

[quasi wasp]

/cutting it out entirely

[quasi wasp]

Ah

[quasi wasp]

Does that damage it, tho?

[ionic briar]

with the claws on, you might find your long keys to feel mushy when bottom out

[quasi wasp]

So it’s basically the opposite of the second band aid mod?

[ionic briar]

yep

[unkempt dome]

I haven't tried the boba ... i can say that the akko I have are on par with the khail and halo true... if not even better ... they also barely have stem wobble ... so no build quality is not low tier at all ...

[ionic briar]

the clipping mod is the opposite of the pcb band aid mod

where you remove the dampening factor to make the bottom out feels more solid

in this case, the claws

[quasi wasp]

The price is so much higher on the bobas, tho

@ionic briar many thanks for the info! Stab mods appear to be much more complex than I thought

[ionic briar]

yea
if anything i have learnt along the way, is that you should keep some sort of personal opinions
i have seen too many times the community championing the new hottest thing, but then bashes it after the issues crop up

[unkempt dome]

Price doesn't indicate quality

[quasi wasp]

But it has to be justified somehow, right?

I wonder what the justification ist tho

[quasi wasp]

Lol

[unkempt dome]

Not necessarily... do you think apple product have a justification for being that expensive ... I don't think so ...

[quasi wasp]

Meh I actually do

[unkempt dome]

it's not cause it's more expensive than it's better

[unkempt dome]

Well I don't...

[quasi wasp]

Many people think that those are the best tactile switches tho

[unkempt dome]

Just like cherry switches

[unkempt dome]

That doesn't justify the price tho ... cause some can think they are bad

[quasi wasp]

But there’s gotta be a reason why so many people like it

[unkempt dome]

Is there a reason for people liking cherry switches

Specially browns

But they are well known to be quite meh by a lot of people too

[quasi wasp]

Not the bobas

Afaik

[unkempt dome]

Cause not a lot of people tried them compared to other switches

[quasi wasp]

That applies to any expensive switch tho

[unkempt dome]

Not really ... cherry are quite expensive compared to some others

Still a lot of people tried them cause they are everywhere ... still doesn't mean they are good either ...

[quasi wasp]

Hm

[unkempt dome]

All in all there's no link between price and quality

[quasi wasp]

@ionic briar still a bit worried about that

[ionic briar]

i have been using mine clipped for i guess 2 years? (3 years but the first year i didnt use it much)
and the pcb doesnt have a scratch

[quasi wasp]

Ah, glad to hear that, thanks for the info!

[fierce oak]

is the rk61 a good budget keyboard ?

[quasi wasp]

Does the PE foam mod not affect the stabilised keys? Many people have giant cutouts around those

[quasi wasp]

And couldn’t the PE foam mod damage your PCB through static discharge?

[pallid trout]

Only if you move around your keyboard a lot

[quasi wasp]

The insides of it?

[pallid trout]

In general. But if your foam is squeezed tightly enough it shouldn't move around a lot.

[quasi wasp]

Also, it’s not like it makes any new contacts in order to discharge, right?

[boreal shore]

Anyone know of keyboards better/similar to keychron q1 preferably at better price and also keep the function row

[chrome raft]

gmmk pro

[unkempt dome]

the keychron Q1 has the function row tho

[stable lake]

im looking for a red switch gaming keyboard any suggest?

[gilded gyro]

anything with outemu reds like Tecware Phantom are really good for people on a budget

Outemu > Cherry

[boreal shore]

I know I’m looking for cheaper

[unkempt dome]

similar in which way ... layout or gasked mount ?

[quasi wasp]

So you think that masking tape on the underside of the plate could make as big of a difference as plate foam does?

[tall zinc]

I have a Corsair rbg mechanical keyboard that's getting dusty and hairy (cat) and besides taking a dry brush and giving it a few passes, how best to clean it?

taking the keys off so I can clean the sounds would be good

[quasi wasp]

Hm the Boba U4Ts have a different sound with a clear top

Do you really need a clear top for good RGB?

If I’m not gonna use pudding caps

[quasi wasp]

I just want the legend to be lit

[potent void]

take all the keys off and wash them

wipe down the keyboard

scrub away and gunk you see with a wipe or something

Some basic things i do to get it cleaned up

[tall zinc]

Is it too difficult to get them out and back in? looking it up, it doesn't seem to be. Just need a small flathead and gentle hands

[potent void]

what? no you dont need a screwdriver

just get a keycap remover or pull them out

or were you referring to the switches?

[tall zinc]

no the actual buttons themselves

[potent void]

those are switches

im talking about the keycaps

switches

keycaps

[tall zinc]

yeah the keycaps. My bad

[potent void]

its alright

no the keycaps arent hard to remove you can just pull them out

most are gonna be easy like that

[tall zinc]

mmm, mine's attached pretty good. Might have to get that remover

[potent void]

they're only like $5 anyways

https://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Mechanical-Keyboard-Removing-keyboard/dp/B075CZCTXM/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=keycap+remover&qid=1636314300&sprefix=keycap+rem%2Caps%2C197&sr=8-4\

this one is nice

[tall zinc]

you have this one?

[potent void]

i do

[tall zinc]

How long have you had it? Seen some comments it isn't that durable

[potent void]

ive had it for almost the whole year. it broke on me but it was my fault

[tall zinc]

thx

[potent void]

np

[quasi wasp]

Gonna build a keyboard out of the GMMK full size kit, Boba U4Ts, Corsair double shot keycaps and Everglide panda stabilisers, does that sound reasonable?

Probably gonna clip, holee mod and lube the stabs

Don’t know if I’m gonna mod anything else

Maybe PE foam, maybe tape on the back of the plate (!) instead of foam

Oh wait everglide pandas are for ANSI only ☹️

[quasi wasp]

Oh wait, apparently you don’t need anything else for ISO, nevermind

[quasi wasp]

The U4Ts with clear tops

I wonder how much the clear tops makes them sound worse

If at all

[unkempt dome]

if the slot is big enough it might let pass enough light through it ...
personally I don't need rgb ... it's always off

[unkempt dome]

be sure that those corsair keycaps have a standard bottom row and not the usual non standard corsair bottom row ...

check the price for durock V2 stabs ... they are usually the go to

you can look for sound test on youtube if there's any and try to spot the difference between the housings ... also I thought you were a linear guy and not much of a tactile guy ...

[autumn raft]

A customer of mine built his macropad, I love it! Turned out awesome with the OLED.

[unkempt dome]

Nice custom work ...

[autumn raft]

thanks

[quasi wasp]

Noice

[quasi wasp]

Oh I’m building this for both my brother and myself

And thanks for the warning!

It says „standard layout bottom row“, phew

[quasi wasp]

I will! It’s just that one guy on YouTube wo does really good mods seems to use the pandas, so they probably aren’t bad either

Oh and the board doesn’t support screw in stabilisers

[unkempt dome]

Holly panda are overrated or so I've heard

[unkempt dome]

there's durock plate mounted stabs too

Look for them

[quasi wasp]

Me too

[quasi wasp]

Thx for the info

[unkempt dome]

Or so I think ... maybe I got something else ... damn I don't remember

[quasi wasp]

I’ve just noticed that the PE mod doesn’t make a whole lot of sense on an RGB board

[uneven barn]

are holy pandas too overrated, ive been considering buying them for a build and everywhere i go most people are titling them the best switches, i just wanna know the cons of them

[unkempt dome]

Way too expensive for what they are now ... there's probably better switches for the same or lower price ...

there's holly panda in switch tester ?

[uneven barn]

you can prolly buy 1 switch and replace them

[unkempt dome]

My guess would be they are soldered in

[vocal turret]

this looks satusfying

[potent void]

it does tho

[indigo shadow]

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=8802

what’s y’all’s opinion and what switches do y’all recommend?

[limpid river]

I like silent reds

[thorn rampart]

I got the GX browns ;-;

[gilded gyro]

Don't they have Varmillos there? Get one of those instead

[thorn rampart]

Omron (20m)
Omron (50m)
why does one have extended life

Im trying to get a good double or triple clicking switch for my Model O wireless

[ionic briar]

thats marketing

physical built wise they are all the same

same contact point thickness, same coating

same construction

if you get the japanese omron tho, those are built different

[thorn rampart]

;-; then how does one last an tested 30 million clicks longer

japanese omrons are 10m

[ionic briar]

cause in their test condition, one smh can last longer

[thorn rampart]

the testing conditions are a controlled variable though?

[ionic briar]

yea, but its not irl condition

irl use, those switches are being fed way too low current ( not even clear the wetting current specification)

which leads to faster oxidation on the contact points

contributes to premature double clicking

alongside thin contact points that once wears out, makes inconsistent contact with other

https://youtu.be/v5BhECVlKJA

[thorn rampart]

yes I know that the testing conditions are tested as best as possible, however I have my logitech G502 and my Model O wireless, 502 has (50m)s and Model O has (20m)s, the 20ms definitely feel more tactile than the 50ms.

[ionic briar]

https://youtu.be/NhhRTUrz0R8?t=1202

[thorn rampart]

What about the Kailh GM 8.0s

[ionic briar]

noticeably beefier in terms of contact thickness

but voltage specification is still not correct for how low the voltage are

[thorn rampart]

wdym voltage specification?

[ionic briar]

this thing

the range of current that those switches are designed to run

[thorn rampart]

so you cant just rip switches out of a mouse and put different ones in???

[ionic briar]

you can
but you are putting the switch to work with unoptimal voltage and current

which cause oxidation on the contact point to happen faster

which leads to premature double clicking

[thorn rampart]

ahh

thats why people complain

[ionic briar]

i recommending you binging through the first vid i sent for an in depth analysis

https://youtu.be/v5BhECVlKJA?t=696

started from here

[thorn rampart]

Ive also heard that the Kailh 8.0s have a double click prevention thing with the contacts.

[ionic briar]

the tldr is that modern mices provides those chinese omrons with out of spec voltage and current condition that leads to faster oxidation and double clicking
about the switch design themselves, the contact points are thin which wears out faster, not coated with the proper metal to prevent oxidation, and the shape of the contact point encourage double clicking when the switch wears out.

[ionic briar]

mostly in the term of gold plated contact points iirc

[ionic briar]

and beefier contact points

[thorn rampart]

what does the weird knurling bit accomplish?

on the contact points

[ionic briar]

even wear i guess?

[ionic briar]

on the pic or on the video?

[thorn rampart]

the pic of the 8.0s

[ionic briar]

my guess would be even wear

the best microswitches you should buy is the japanese omron, cause those are designed with a lower operating current and voltage. tho they still dont fall in the range of the provided voltage and current from the mouse micro controller, it still helps with a slower oxidation rate
the switches themselves has very beefy contact points and they are also gold plated, which helps with slower oxidation

[thorn rampart]

now im seeing why optical switches are generally lasting longer, because you could just use a leaf spring and there are literally no contact points.

[ionic briar]

yep

leds have way better lifespan than those shitty contact points

and they dont give a fuck about what current you are providing them

that said, the japanese omron, again is a legit choice for you

https://youtu.be/NhhRTUrz0R8?t=1045

[thorn rampart]

alright

[ionic briar]

look at that thicc contact

[thorn rampart]

but question You cant just shove them into your mouse though can you, since they are optical, you would need different programing?

[ionic briar]

shove the optical ones onto a mouse that uses contact based switches like the omrons?

[thorn rampart]

yes

my model O wireless currently has shitty Omron 20ms

[ionic briar]

yea you cant
have to redesigned the pcb to accommodate all the extra hardware (the led, the photoresistor)

[thorn rampart]

which is legit impossible

[ionic briar]

kinda, unless the mouse manufactor release their schematic

[thorn rampart]

lmao, they only released the dimensions for the mouse

[ionic briar]

and then you can technically make a new pcb but with optical sensing

but yea, impossible without redesigning

[thorn rampart]

but dont the pcb have multiple layers with tiny wires running through it, so you would need like a .1mm soldering head and a decent solder sucker

[ionic briar]

well the contact pads where you put the solder is pretty resistant

you will need a soldering iron and a solder sucker yea, but removing the old switch should be easy

unless you smh cooked the pads and ripped it out

[thorn rampart]

I'm talking about redesigning the pcb

[ionic briar]

ah

all of that should be done in the pcb designing software

[boreal rivet]

kicad

[ionic briar]

you dont have to physically do it

[boreal rivet]

and good luck bet you wont make it very far

[ionic briar]

your most economic bet is to source japanese omrons

or stuff like honeywell microswitches, kailhs, what not

anything that has beefier contact points, lower wetting currents, or both

[thorn rampart]

yeah probably but would that be better than the 20m omrons that I currently have???

[ionic briar]

i would say that its gonna be better from a reliability point of view
the weighting on the japanese omron are also lighter, that could be a desirable trait

[boreal rivet]

no one really cares about how reliable they are, most people swap for a different feel

[ionic briar]

Yea.
I prioritize reliability so...

[thorn rampart]

Yeah, I have my debounce time set at 0ms so it can double click...

[stable lake]

should i go for cherry or gateron

[ionic island]

How can I make the spacebar on my keychron q1 sound higher pitched like the tofu 60 in this video (39 seconds in)
My keyboard has the
-force break mod
-4 layers of tape mod(it needs it or it sounds unbelievably hollow)
-polyfill
-abs keycaps and gateron reds lubed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EVBzxrpmNs

[quasi wasp]

Hm, would it maybe be a good idea to manufacture per switch PE foam modules?

Maybe not even out of PE foam

Oh wait, that already exists, whoops

But these apparently don’t have the same sound

[ionic briar]

Prob because the gap between each piece of foam

[quasi wasp]

Maybe

But those would probably work with RGB

[quasi wasp]

Isn’t the tape mod something you need to repeat?

Because of the adhesive going bad

[quasi wasp]

How much did the force break mod do?

[quasi wasp]

Has anyone here got a GMMK full size?

[gilded gyro]

I did and wasn't that good

[quasi wasp]

Why?

[gilded gyro]

It's just like meh

[quasi wasp]

And do you need dielectric grease for stabs or does 205g0 suffice?

[quasi wasp]

Why? Did you mod it?

[gilded gyro]

Yes it needs some mods

to be ok

[quasi wasp]

To be ok?

[gilded gyro]

yeah like to not suck

[quasi wasp]

And why isn’t it good after that?

What does it not have to be good?

And how did you mod it?

[boreal rivet]

people don't like gmmk because it sounds hollow

[quasi wasp]

The pro or the normal one?

[boreal rivet]

otherwise, it just requires the normal host of mods

normal one

[quasi wasp]

The case or the plate?

[boreal rivet]

and no I don't consider pe mod to be necessary

I think a combination of both

[quasi wasp]

Because the plate is out of aluminium

I might put O-Rings onto the standoffs of the lower plate, that might kill any case noise

But I’ll have to see for myself first

[boreal rivet]

uh ok, you do you

[quasi wasp]

Is there any full size alternative to it?

[unkempt dome]

Keychron

[quasi wasp]

Is that one better?

[boreal rivet]

only fullsize prebuilts you should by are leopold PDs and realforces

[quasi wasp]

I don’t need it to be prebuilt

[boreal rivet]

have you ever tried looking for a fullsize custom

try to and you'll understand

[quasi wasp]

You mean there’s no market for full size customs?

[boreal rivet]

I think that is pretty obvious yes, with the community being comprised of millenials and zoomers who want to be "minimal"

[quasi wasp]

I see thx

But I mean you can mod any case to sound good, right?

I really want to try the o rings

[gilded gyro]

Doesn't Akko make like the 3098B series

[boreal rivet]

idk I don't care about how something sounds

[gilded gyro]

and the 5108B

[boreal rivet]

the fact that sound is even considered a deciding factor in customs nowadays is just ridiculous to me

[gilded gyro]

I mean like as long as the stabs aren't rattling that's good enough for me

[boreal rivet]

agreed

[quasi wasp]

@gilded gyro

[gilded gyro]

I can't hear myself type through my earphones anyways

[boreal rivet]

EXACTLY

[quasi wasp]

And

[gilded gyro]

It's a 60$ keeb that costs like above 100$

[quasi wasp]

And

[gilded gyro]

You can literally get an akko 5108B for that price

[quasi wasp]

80€ barebones

[gilded gyro]

yeah and the 5108B has switches included

[boreal rivet]

like who thinks to themselves, yes I will buy this keyboard because it is thocky and I will listen to it while doing my work

[gilded gyro]

and keycaps

[quasi wasp]

Hey, didn’t see that one yet, thanks for the info!

[gilded gyro]

Like I had a Tecware Phantom I bought for 60$

like that's how much it actually costs

because like it's just aluminum plate plastic case china OEM keeb

their are better uses for the money

[quasi wasp]

But what’s the alternative for a full size one?

[gilded gyro]

akko 5108B

[quasi wasp]

Can’t really find offers for that one in Germany

[gilded gyro]

it's on aliexpress

like pay for the premium shipping probs

[quasi wasp]

Sry it did only show the smaller version first

[quasi wasp]

Otherwise it might break?

[gilded gyro]

no so it doesn't take like 3 months to get to you

[quasi wasp]

That board has got a lot of printing on it

[gilded gyro]

https://en.akkogear.com/product/cinnamoroll-5108b-mechanical-keyboard/
they also have official website that ships outside USA iirc

[quasi wasp]

Might not be to my brothers taste

Also it’s 150€ in Germany

And I would put Boba U4Ts in there

And get Corsair double shot PBT RGB keycaps

[gilded gyro]

why corsair keycaps?

[quasi wasp]

Shine through for the legends

[gilded gyro]

there are other sets that do that?

[quasi wasp]

Which ones?

[gilded gyro]

Just search PBT keycaps

[quasi wasp]

Also i doubt that you can get those in ISO

They all seem to be either pudding or razer

What’s wrong with the Corsair keycaps tho?

[gilded gyro]

They're low quality? But they're like 20$ so I guess they're good enough

The font also just looks bad

gamer font

[quasi wasp]

Why are they low quality?

[quasi wasp]

That’s up to taste

[gilded gyro]

thin PBT?

[quasi wasp]

How much would be thick PBT?

And what are the alternatives here?

[quasi wasp]

/how thick

[gilded gyro]

search like YMDK keycaps @quasi wasp

they should also have ISO

[quasi wasp]

https://m.de.aliexpress.com/item/32845885946.html?_randl_currency=EUR&_randl_shipto=DE&src=google&memo1=freelisting&aff_fcid=8458f908faea43b584f03dbfdde4974c-1636372981412-07067-UneMJZVf&aff_fsk=UneMJZVf&aff_platform=aaf&sk=UneMJZVf&aff_trace_key=8458f908faea43b584f03dbfdde4974c-1636372981412-07067-UneMJZVf&terminal_id=cfb6c17036bb49b98fdf55cffecfabd7 these ones?

Can find ones without the pudding tho

[gilded gyro]

I'm pretty sure they sell on amazon too

[quasi wasp]

Are they really that much better?

[gilded gyro]

yes

[quasi wasp]

They are actually thinner

1,2mm vs 1,5mm

Do you know the other ones?

Where are you getting the info from?

[quasi wasp]

Is 1,5mm thin to you?

[quasi wasp]

They’re 30€

[rancid sun]

Uhh i just wonder, is it possible for me to post a keyboard sound in here and let people talk about the sound if it's good or bad? I feel like this is offtopic but at the same time this is a keyboard channel?

[quasi wasp]

If you like it it’s good

[rancid sun]

i have used this membrane keyboard for 6 years 😂

[grave pivot]

#carsmoment

[urban glade]

Filco

[quasi wasp]

That one hasn’t got an aluminium plate, only hotswap for outemu switches and is smaller

[gilded gyro]

That's the regular phantom, they make an Elite

Which is actually a 1:1 GMMK

you can literally use the same software on it

also I'm quite sure the phantom regular still has an aluminum plate

yeah it still does

[quasi wasp]

Show me

Didn’t see it anywhere

[quasi wasp]

Can’t find a listing for that anywhere

[gilded gyro]

Like aluminum backplate

it's the same OEM as the GMMK

[quasi wasp]

The case is definitely different

The PCB too

The plate is different too

[quasi wasp]

Which one?

[gilded gyro]

Tecware

Phantom Elite

[quasi wasp]

Which software

[quasi wasp]

Can’t find that keyboard anywhere

As a listing

[gilded gyro]

Then don't get that?

Like it's just a GMMK

[quasi wasp]

You just said that it had such a better value

[gilded gyro]

Yeah when I bought it in my country?

I mean at this point just get a full size Apex Pro

if you're like really attached to the GMMK

[quasi wasp]

Just found a listing, it’s 100€

[quasi wasp]

I just want a good full size keyboard kit which doesn’t break the bank

[quasi wasp]

Edited

[oak solar]

@fickle belfry I used felt under pcb and it sounds good :D

[ionic island]

It's just many layers I think

[oak solar]

Wanna hear a sound test?

[ionic island]

It helped with the pinging a lot

[fickle belfry]

Yep ! Why not. Do you have the before and after sound test ?

[oak solar]

Yes

First is moded but without felt

And second is with felt

And this is unlubed without any mods

[quasi wasp]

How did you mount it?

[quasi wasp]

Nice

Is it really pinging or just reverb?

[oak solar]

I just unscrewed the pcb..cut the felt and then placed it under the pcb

[fickle belfry]

You can definitely hear the difference from the last sound test

[oak solar]

Yup

The space sounds bad tbh

[quasi wasp]

So at the bottom of the case?

[oak solar]

Yup

[quasi wasp]

Thx

[oak solar]

Np

[fickle belfry]

Could try to put an other layer under the space bar.

[oak solar]

I think it's just rattle

Maybe I'll apply the holee mode

But not now

Maybe when I will buy Durock v2 stabs

[fickle belfry]

You still have the oem plastic keycaps ?

[oak solar]

Yup

abs

My parents will maybe get the akko neon set for Christmas

[fickle belfry]

Try a thicker spacebar keycap. It will sound better

[oak solar]

Wait wrong screenshot tf

I'm thinking of these keycaps

[fickle belfry]

I'm getting the same later:)

[oak solar]

:))

I am thinking of a classic black and white combination too

[fickle belfry]

Akko Silent

[quasi wasp]

How thick?

[oak solar]

The keycaps?

[quasi wasp]

I like the non silent version of these

[quasi wasp]

Yeah

[oak solar]

Idk

[fickle belfry]

About 3mm

[oak solar]

I have the stock double shot abs from gk61

[quasi wasp]

That’s super thick actually

[fickle belfry]

Silent is the name of the kit.

[oak solar]

https://www.banggood.com/AKKO-158-Keys-White-On-Black-Keycap-Set-ASA-Profile-PBT-Double-Shot-Keycaps-for-Customized-Mechanical-Keyboards-p-1908969.html?cur_warehouse=CN

These look good took

[fickle belfry]

1.3 sorry

[quasi wasp]

It’s just that my keyboard (Akko 3084) came in silent and normal variant

[quasi wasp]

Ah

[quasi wasp]

I got the regular 9009 retro

[oak solar]

He is talking abt keycaps

[quasi wasp]

Me too

[fickle belfry]

They where referring to the switches (silent)

[quasi wasp]

Keycap kit

[fickle belfry]

👍

[quasi wasp]

That’s their silent color scheme

https://www.amazon.de/EPOMAKER-AKKO-9009-Sublimation-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B089SSS4M3

I like this one

[oak solar]

67 euros..

Tf

[quasi wasp]

Lol

[fickle belfry]

Akko Macaw 157-Key Cherry Profile Double-Shot PBT Keycap Set for Mechanical Keyboards with Collection Box https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08ZYHDRST/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_EE8KF2PEGMHZE06MJQEZ

[quasi wasp]

Came with my Akko 3084

[fickle belfry]

This one looks good too

[quasi wasp]

Yeah, all up to taste, tho, ofc

[oak solar]

They look good but I don't like blue in my setup

[oak solar]

:))

[quasi wasp]

The spacebar of this set has got an audible resonance, tho

BTW ABS keycaps tend to sound deeper than pbt keycaps, apparently

[fickle belfry]

Ordered my custom deskmat with a variety of colors so I'm not stuck with 1 color theme.

[unkempt dome]

You can put akko and boba

[quasi wasp]

3 Pin hotswap?

[unkempt dome]

Cut the 2 plastic pins

[quasi wasp]

So it’s 3 pin hotswap?

[unkempt dome]

Which one ?

[quasi wasp]

Phantom 104 RGB

The one you were referring to

[unkempt dome]

I said to out akko switches in there or boba

Doesn't matter if it's 3 pins or 5 pins compatible just cut the 2 pins on the 5 pins switches

Gmmk is 3 pins compatible and you'll have to do it anyway if you get boba for it

[quasi wasp]

I just wanted to know if it had full 3 pin compatibility at all

[quasi wasp]

Bobas are 3 pin, tho

Oh wait

Oh no

Thanks for the info, didn’t notice the plastic pins

[unkempt dome]

I think so but wouldn't bet on that ...

Someone that tries then can confirm this

[quasi wasp]

Why are Pandas overrated?

[quasi wasp]

I really don't want to clip the plastic legs of those bobas

Why are there literally no 5 pin hot swap full size kits

[last ridge]

Anyone out here have opinions on the sick 68 keyboard?
Seems budget friendly but not sure how "good" it would be compared to a commercial product in the sub $100 range
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3478494

[stone pewter]

Hey guys, need some help. Right now, deciding between the iquinix f96 and the rk100. I'm looking for a wireless, mechanical keyboard with a usb receiver (for lower latency for gaming) and has a numpad as I work with excel a fair bit. Any preferences between the two or is there an even better one I don't know about

[stone pewter]

I got the keychron k4v2 but while the layout is nice, not having a usb receiver is a dealbreaker and I've been having issues with bluetooth

[quasi wasp]

What do you all think about the Everglide SK108?

*SK

[steady hatch]

its all preference

you can mod any keyboard and if you like it stock then just keep it that way

[humble hedge]

Best keyboard of 2021? If price isn't in the equation?

[unkempt dome]

there's no such things as best keyboard

[humble hedge]

Cool

[thorn rampart]

Alright the keycaps for my G513 are like melting almost, but not like the plastic but the the black layer is melting to reveal a clear key. Does anyone know what is causing this and what can prevent it. Also any keycaps I should get for my keyboard to replace them

[ionic briar]

can i have a look of what the keycaps looks like?

[thorn rampart]

mine or just the model of them

[ionic briar]

yours

in its current state

[thorn rampart]

so you wanna see the damage

[ionic briar]

yep

[thorn rampart]

alr

[thorn rampart]

You can see on the top of the w s and d keys

[stone pewter]

Yeah sure

Well just not more than 200 if it can be avoided

[ionic briar]

that looks like the dye material got flaked off
since this is laser ablated keycaps

[glass surge]

Keyboard recommendations? preferably hotswap and can use multiple kinds of keys

[ionic briar]

wdym by multiple kinds of key?
like compatible with different switches or?

[glass surge]

Yes

Rn i have a g213 prodigy which I have had for 3 years, and has served me well, but I need a new keyboard badly, cant handle the current switches at all, too mushy and clacky at the same time

[ionic briar]

okay then, whats your budget and whats your preferred layout? (full size, tkl, 60%, etc)

[floral spindle]

check keychron k10 if available, or epomaker gk108s. those are full size, wireless capable, hot-swap mkb

for wired only, keychron c2 or epomaker gk108

[chrome raft]

Any1 knows an diy kit to buy to build a keeb urself? Idc abt price

[worthy stone]

case+plate+pcb:https://kbdfans.com/collections/diy-kit
keycaps:https://kbdfans.com/collections/keycaps
switches:https://www.meckeys.com/category/accessories/keyboard-accessories/key-switches/

or there are some pretty good prebuilts

https://www.meckeys.com/category/keyboard/

also

heres a very good tutorial on switches

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqai0_nnTgs&ab_channel=LinusTechTips

[frozen berry]

Using Kailh Box White right this second tbh

[worthy stone]

watch someone like switch and click or glarses for tutorials

[chrome raft]

Yh i know. Was just wondering where i could get them and if they were in an set. Thanks a lot tho!

[quasi wasp]

Everglide SK108 vs Epomaker GK108S?

Look pretty similar, pretty similar price too

The stabs of the SK come prelubed apparently

But don’t know what further differences they got

[ionic briar]

Ultimately they all comes from the same factory

So yea, no major difference

[quasi wasp]

You mean that the quality should be roughly the same?

[violet geyser]

can someone help out of this screen?

[steady hatch]

do you live in china ?

[ionic briar]

Yea

[grave pivot]

u cant search without signing in unfortunately

u can make a acc pretty easily

[violet geyser]

Nope

?

[violet geyser]

Ok

[violet geyser]

how?

i can read chinese and translate is pretty bad

[grave pivot]

Umm

[grave pivot]

Im not too sure cos i made mine ages ago

But i made it while living in aus without any vpn or anything

[violet geyser]

do you have to give your phone number?

[rich hare]

Given how most Chinese tech platforms like WeChat etc work, probably?

[violet geyser]

here goes nothing

wait it doesnt send a code nooo

[quasi wasp]

Thx

[quasi wasp]

How do the sound dampening characteristics of cotton compare to the ones of PORON?

[soft kiln]

hmmm new corsair keyboards https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/qqbnk7/hi_im_a_new_product_manager_at_corsair_today_i/

[fiery vale]

Oh dear god please no

[soft kiln]

the pink one looks nice

[worthy stone]

well kinda

[violet geyser]

Wtf I can't see the first picture

[delicate matrix]

My gf's keyboard is currently having a few issues, and I have no clue how to help, the first is that her w is giving her up arrow input, and her arrow keys are giving w for up, and numbers for down, left, and right

Any ideas?

[north jacinth]

hey i'm looking for some black, minimalist, doubleshot pbt keycaps, i'm building it for my dad for christmas so i need it to be shipped on the faster side

???

[boreal rivet]

impossible, you either get scuffed legends or a whole extra keyboard

[rapid sentinel]

I have a MSI GF63 thin AX laptop. and im looking to replace they keys. I have searched all over and cant find any. anyone know where to look ?

like would this work https://www.walmart.com/ip/MSI-GF63-8RC-GF63-8RD-GF63-Thin-9SC-Red-Backlit-Keyboard/820167717?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=616&&adid=22222222227000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=42423897272&wl4=pla-51320962143&wl5=1016291&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=112354285&wl11=online&wl12=820167717&veh=sem&gclid=Cj0KCQiA-K2MBhC-ARIsAMtLKRshQ_wGRmxfsIiny9837tOJ7WCF_uFdM7G5WOC8o75mH_oj5E1couIaAsekEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

[hasty lion]

you are missing two 5.1k resistors connected from CC1 to GND and CC2 to GND to make USB C uses USB 2.0

[quasi wasp]

How bad do shine through keycaps look with south facing switches?

[neon merlin]

You are the best

[solemn jungle]

Is cherry mix brown good?

I saw that many ppl hate them

[gilded gyro]

Outemu browns better

[solemn jungle]

I tried them they suck

[gilded gyro]

You won't like cherry mx browns then lol

recent outemu browns are better than cherry mx browns

[solemn jungle]

They are way more scratchy than browns

[gilded gyro]

Not recent batches

Recent are like the same if not more smooth

Or like you can just get a Gateron brown keyboard if you're worried about scratchiness? @solemn jungle

[solemn jungle]

Ok

[quasi wasp]

People say that the Epomaker GK108S has a much worse quality in comparison to the Everglide SK108, is that true?

[rancid sun]

Is Akko an overall good brand for keyboards?

[gilded gyro]

Akko ACR very nice yes

for the price very nice

[chrome raft]

bandaided my stabs

very nice

[hot jay]

I still prefer cherry mx blues

[chrome raft]

good for you
g f y

[pulsar ravine]

what are cherry mx blues

[chrome raft]

switches

that go click

[pulsar ravine]

why is cursed?

[regal knot]

asking to anyone who uses custom keyboard with 3-mode connection or smth, how long does the battery last for a full charge and do i need to flash the firmware of the keyboard?

still first time going into custom keyboard rabbit hole

[proper current]

Clicky switches

[pulsar ravine]

atleast its better than generic tactile switches

[obtuse swift]

anything wrong with using 6 different switches on a keeb

[pulsar ravine]

i don't think theres a downside, but thats just what i said

[obtuse swift]

cuz 6 diff mx cherry switches will be intersting

[thorn rampart]

What microswitch for mice is the most snappy, consistent, low actuation pressure, good for double clicking, little post travel/pretravel, and long lasting switch.

[mild ginkgo]

Anyone able to help me with a weird issue? My Corsair k70 does not turn on until my OS is loading. Which is a problem, because I can’t get into my BIOS, and it makes dual booting a huge hassle. I have to plug in another keyboard (wife’s K55) just to get into bios or to pick an OS on my boot menu.

Have tried multiple USB ports, have tried BIOS mode on the keyboard.. next thing I’m going to do is look for a firmware upgrade..

[unkempt dome]

I was always like that ?

Or it's something new?

[mild ginkgo]

I’ve had this keyboard for a long time. Like 3 or 4 years I think? Never had this problem until probably the last year or so. It was happening on my old motherboard as well as the one I have now… I wondered whether it was a USB power thing but there’s lights on the keyboard right from boot so I know it has power… it just doesn’t finish turning on until I’m past the boot loader…

[unkempt dome]

That's a though one there

[mild ginkgo]

Yea…

[urban glade]

use bios switch

lol

https://help.corsair.com/hc/en-us/articles/360053198052-How-to-Use-a-CORSAIR-keyboard-to-enter-BIOS-mode

10 seconds googling

[mild ginkgo]

Imagine googling, trying what it said, and it not working. Then coming to a community with 1000's of people who may have encountered the same issue.

only to be told, you can google it.

[jaunty parrot]

its a useful skill everyone should learn

[mild ginkgo]

Indeed. Knowing how to use google is integral. but when it fails, or if you're not sure what to search, it doesn't really get you the answer you're looking for 😅

Sigh. Ok, new topic then... If i'm going to replace this keyboard, what would be some good candidates? preferrably best for typing speed.

[potent void]

yeah kind of why "just look it up" isnt always the best choice

[grave pivot]

umm

depends on what kinda switches u like?

do u like tactile linear or clickys?

[knotty palm]

LF 80% keyboard wireless , 100$-150$ budget

[quasi wasp]

I’ve heard that chiclet style keyboards were good for fast typing haha

[ionic briar]

it depends
i cant really type with chiclet as fast as with other 4mm travel distance keeb

the shallow distance travel just throws me off

pretty sure i can be efficient just by using it a lot

[chrome ocean]

Does anyone know if the Logitech unifying receiver works with GPW?

[ionic briar]

pretty sure they dont work with each other

if thats the case, there will be a unifying logo on the underside of the mouse as well

[ionic island]

is it worth changing out the stabilizers on my keychron q1 ive tried holee modding them and the spacebar still rattles

[ionic briar]

have you tried wire balancing them?

[ionic island]

not yet

will that do a lot?

because taking apart the keyboard takes a good chunk of time

[ionic briar]

imo yes

[ionic island]

idk if this is how it works but i can send you the sound

also my spacebar is slightly warped

[ionic briar]

that could contribute to the rattly sound too

[ionic island]

so idk if that affects it much

is there a way to fix it without changing all of them out

[ionic briar]

prob flatten your spacebar cap?

heat it up using a hair dryer and then bend it

[ionic island]

wont thatdestroy the abs

[ionic briar]

super careful if you have abs caps tho

it can melt

if you let it heat up to 100c

[ionic island]

is there a good tutorial you know of?

[ionic briar]

the one from kbdfans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-qWET4BUYI

basically you need to boil you water to not quite boilling

[ionic island]

is 160 degrees safe?

farrenheit

[ionic briar]

yes

[ionic island]

ok thanks ill let you know if it works tomorrow lmao

[ionic island]

also do you know what type of hotswap socket the keychron q1 uses

[ionic briar]

gateron branded kailh styled socket

[ionic island]

thanks

[gilded gyro]

Does anyone know if Akko ACR comes with Foam and gasket preinstalled?

[violet geyser]

Are the kbdfans keycaps any good?

[worn storm]

servicable

[ionic island]

@ionic briar it didn't work even at 190 degrees rip

[last ridge]

I don't know why I thought hand wiring a keyboard would be anything else besides painfully slow. But so far so good

(I know I suck at soldering dont judge)

[ionic island]

ive tried holee mod and wire balancing and the stabilizer still sounds rattly is there any other mod i can do or should i just get new ones

[ionic briar]

could try buying new spacebar?
you did mentioned that your spacebar is slightly warped

[ionic island]

where could i get a new spacebar?

[ionic island]

^

i tried wire balancing but it didnt do anything even though the wire was bent

[ionic island]

i also tried putting the spacebar in 190 degrees water and pressing it down on a flat surface and it didnt do anything

[ionic briar]

you might need to bend it
in my case, pressing against a flat surface is not enough since the warp is also very slightly

[ionic island]

I did try that and it still didn't work

I have a 3d printer and I'll try putting it on the bed at 90 degrees c

[ionic briar]

hmmm
might need hotter temps

[ionic island]

And put a laptop on it or something

[ionic briar]

yea

[ionic island]

Or I could just tape it down

[ionic briar]

weigh it down
till its completely cool

[ionic island]

I'll let you know the results after on hour on the printer

Thanks for the help bro

This is so funny lmao

It's making contact though

[ionic island]

IT WORKED

@ionic briar

[ionic briar]

so it just the case of not enough heat it seems?

[ionic island]

Yeah I think so

[rocky nymph]

Anyone know of a mechanical 60% that has a numpad function within the letters, need for work

Something like the way the numbers are mapped here

[grave pivot]

U can probs map that onto any keyboard that's qmk compatible

[rocky nymph]

That’s like via right, was checking it out, not sure I would be able to build one seems a bit beyond me tbh

[ionic island]

qmk is much more simple

[hard isle]

yeah that's easy to do with qmk on any qmk compatible keyboard

[unkempt dome]

Can't wait for the Q2 ... also keychron will be releasing/have already released mouse ... might get one too

[ashen kelp]

Durgod Venus or kemove shadow?

[chrome raft]

Shadow

[unkempt dome]

Shadow ... totally

[ashen kelp]

so which one

[unkempt dome]

What which one ... ?

Kemove shadow

[ashen kelp]

Loll the ... sounded degrading on my end idk why

[unkempt dome]

Not at all ... you should totally get the kemove shadow ... it's a great keyboard

[ashen kelp]

got it

[chrome raft]

oh hey @unkempt dome ive clipped and baindaded my stabs and my shadow is even better now

i have one of the best sounding kemove shadows now

[unkempt dome]

Yes mods do wonders

[chrome raft]

yes

imm send a vid of my friends 24 dollar keeb

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/876145380142759986/908927289226567730/VID_125520531_053831_679.mp4 @unkempt dome 24 bucks with some 16 dollar caps

mine https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/876145380142759986/908505100618719262/IMG_1301.mov

stock gat reds

wait thats just stab test

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/876145380142759986/908412527623438376/IMG_1300.mov not the best at typing but here

[quasi wasp]

How high is the key rollover of the Epomaker GK108? Can’t find info about that anywhere

[unkempt dome]

I like the sound ... I always thought that linear sounded better than tactile ... it's sad I don't like them much

[chrome raft]

Thanks

I myself am a hard linear fan

[unkempt dome]

for the feeling I'm totally tactile ... for the sound I prefer linear ...

[ivory ingot]

same!

[thorn rampart]

Im thinking about getting the Logitech PRO keyboard (wired) is it hotswappable???

[unkempt dome]

no ... as far as I know there's not logitech keyboard that are hotswappable ... but I could be wrong there cause I haven't checked the logitech board in a long while ...

[thorn rampart]

I do know that the Logitech PRO X wireless Mechanical keyboard is hotswappable, so whats keeping the wired one from being hotswappable.

[unkempt dome]

no idea ... maybe it is then if the wireless is hotswappable ...

others can confirm that ...

[spiral heron]

i believe the wired pro X is also swappable

afaik not the non X

[dapper mantle]

when you have yours eyes on a crazy new keycap set, but they're not blacklight compatible 😦

[unkempt dome]

doesn't matter for me ... I don't use light on my keyboard ... yeah no restriction on that part

[dapper mantle]

still sucks

[dapper mantle]

what board do you use?

[unkempt dome]

gmmk

snowfox

and soon the Q2

[dapper mantle]

'cause that's the other half of it, what cheapo board should I get if I want a TKL, don't care about lighting, and by extension QMK or whatever

ewww, 60%

[unkempt dome]

60% are great

[dapper mantle]

some of us need arrow keys bra

really?

[unkempt dome]

you have arrow key on 60 %

[dapper mantle]

hit me with one

[unkempt dome]

you have all the key on 60%

[dapper mantle]

wat

[unkempt dome]

you just need to know how to use layers

[dapper mantle]

....layers?

I think i'm good bra

[unkempt dome]

use the fn key with other keys

that's quite easy

[dapper mantle]

lol, if the fn key works

[unkempt dome]

why wouldn't it work tho

[dapper mantle]

the main problem with layers

so if I need to use an arrow key as part of a larger command

like one of the ones I use alll the tiem

is Ctrl+b+right arrow

[unkempt dome]

ctrl-b-fn-right arrow

that's quite simple ...

[dapper mantle]

jfc

a 4 button combo is 'simple' XD

[unkempt dome]

or you can program a macro for that if you want too if the keyboard supports it ...

like fn2 + any key you program the sequence

[dapper mantle]

and that's if the keyboard even recognizes it, which i've had no luck with

because how does the keyboard know you need fn applied to the ? or < or whatever the key is

and not Ctr

or B

that's never made sense to me, does it just try all of them?

[unkempt dome]

there's some board that if you just tap the key it will register the arrow

[dapper mantle]

that's kinda sick

[unkempt dome]

the anne pro 2 does that well

[dapper mantle]

where can I buy the MJ63?

[unkempt dome]

you just have to not map second function to those keys

[dapper mantle]

wat

aight

maybe the 60% board I had was just trash

PSA: don't buy Epomaker

[unkempt dome]

well some are more limited, some are more flexible ... some you can just use them as huge macro pads if you want to ...

[dapper mantle]

kinda what makes QMK support so valuable

hopefully Rubbish shoes back up with more info on the MJ63, looks dope

[boreal rivet]

google

[ionic island]

how good are the stock keychron q1 stabs

[gilded gyro]

way better than cherry

Better quality

less scratchy

lasts longer

[worldly shale]

oh shit they're making their own switches now?

[gilded gyro]

yes

[worldly shale]

those look intersting

i wonder if they'll be any good though

rakk is usually fine but their products always die quick for me for some reaosn

[gilded gyro]

how

They share OEMs with alot of other companies like Pwnage

[chrome raft]

once i get my 3d printer ill make my own switch

[long obsidian]

i see youre switching to your own

[quasi wasp]

You can’t really buy the Alphagrips iGrip anymore, right?

[chrome raft]

Vibinz red switches

The smoothest and thocciest

[dapper mantle]

wut

jfc

they want 60$ just for the PCB?

any idea what case would work for the MJ63?

[dapper mantle]

ngl, it being Bluetooth is nice

[urban glade]

wkl only keyset, had to improvise 😊

[potent void]

Looks pretty neat

[long obsidian]

almost not notice the 9

[potent void]

Well i cant unsee it now

[long obsidian]

you're welcome

[ionic island]

Do you have to mod durock v2

Or is it fine with some lube

[violet geyser]

do you know where i can find 1u keycaps for the spaces in red?, i need some color options outside of black/white

[gilded gyro]

@violet geyser cuxiu on aliexpress, though what country you're in?

[subtle grotto]

anyone have recommendations for a linear silent keyboard that can be used for gaming, but also for streaming? doesnt really need to be those silent switches just not loud and like a bit quiet? can be a custom keyboard or a prebuilt

[gilded gyro]

Just get some random Gateron Red keyboard and some O-Rings

[subtle grotto]

True

[subtle grotto]

Can you send me a link for o-rings for a 60%?

[gilded gyro]

https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Mechanical-Keyboard-Dampener-compatible/dp/B00K73IE1C/ref=sr_1_3
@subtle grotto

Then like just pair with a pulsar or keychron red switch keyboard

like with Gaterons or something

Since they're still better than Cherry

[quasi wasp]

Bubble Gum Mod 😈

That’s all I’m gonna say

[urban glade]

Was missing T_T

But $50 dcs set so worth lol

[long obsidian]

Use white paint

😄

[chrome raft]

kemove shadow

[gilded gyro]

I mean it's 90$

[chrome raft]

true

how much is the keychron

[gilded gyro]

50$ for a c2

and 50$ for a PK011

[chrome raft]

bc the shadow is one of the best moddable 60%

[chrome raft]

For my first custom keyboard should I build it from scratch or buy a prebuilt keyboard and upgrade it?

[boreal rivet]

buy a realforce

[chrome raft]

get a tm680 and build it and change ur pfp

Hmm

Okie.

[chrome raft]

good advice right here

[ionic island]

hey guys my keyboard sounds great rn but my spacebar sounds like it has no life

is there any way to make just the spacebar higher/lower pitched?

[ionic island]

i have 5 layers of tape mod on the board and cutting out the part under the spacebar did help a bit but not much

[violet geyser]

O rings😔

[limber dove]

The custom keyboard has stared

[violet geyser]

What

They are bad lol
You pay money for slightly less sound and the switches feel so bad with these

[gilded gyro]

They still feel better than silent linears

[violet geyser]

Ok

But they still suck

[gilded gyro]

but they suck less than silent linears

[boreal rivet]

Bad opinion

[violet geyser]

??
You already said it lmao

[gilded gyro]

yeah ik

[chrome raft]

anyone know a good silent keyboard tkl under 100€

[violet geyser]

Switch type?

[chrome raft]

I homestly dk anything about keyboards

One for gaming tho

Shooter games if that helps

[violet geyser]

Homestly you should research about keyboard little bit

[chrome raft]

Too many stuff to learn

[violet geyser]

I guess go with linears, do you need rgb

?

[boreal rivet]

No need

Just buy a realforce

[chrome raft]

Rgb would be nice tbh but not needed

[violet geyser]

Idk a lot about prebuilts but I've heard the Corsair k70 is good

[dim obsidian]

its not

had one break within a year double registering the w key

amongst other issues

[boreal rivet]

Only worthwhile prebuilts are leopold, realforce, hhkb, filco and the metal ikbcs

[dim obsidian]

daskeyboard

[boreal rivet]

Das is shit

[gilded gyro]

you mean

das shit

[dim obsidian]

why?

never had one problem

[chrome raft]

Im lost

[boreal rivet]

Shit build and overpriced

[gilded gyro]

The same can be said about the Tecware Phantom but those cost 40$ @dim obsidian and are basically the same keyboard, they just don't have the scroll wheel thing

Hell new Tecwares come with the newer batches of Outemus

which are like a bit better than Cherry now

[boreal rivet]

Outemu has always been as good or better than cherry

[gilded gyro]

Nah I had one in like 2018 it was bad

compared to a japanese office keyboard with old cherrys the Outemus were deffo more scratchy

[dim obsidian]

what scroll wheel thing?

[boreal rivet]

I had some in 2016 and I didn't think it was worse than cherry

[dim obsidian]

i guess i have a different one

[gilded gyro]

The volume wheel

Wait then why did you get a Das? @dim obsidian

[boreal rivet]

Ever heard of wear lul

[chrome raft]

Do mechanic keyboards make more noise than a normal one

[gilded gyro]

lul

[dim obsidian]

its a 4c not the new garbage

[boreal rivet]

And there's a chance that those were vints

[gilded gyro]

They definitely were

bought it for 12$ then it died ;_;

[dim obsidian]

should have been more specific i guess

[gilded gyro]

I mean it's just a metal plate Cherry MX keyboard @dim obsidian

You can get them better built by like other brands

[boreal rivet]

Mine still works albeit in pieces nowadays

Don't bother, people be coping

[chrome raft]

Anyone know a good silent red keyboard under 110

€

[violet geyser]

They still suck, is the board hotswap?

[violet geyser]

Sometimes
Like clicky box jades make the people who work with u wanna jump off a cliff, but something like lavenders, silent switches are pretty quiet

[rustic ridge]

Waited a while for these

But I finally got my hands on R2 of DSA magic girl

[violet geyser]

I can't see what it says, what is it?

Oh nvm

[violet geyser]

Ooh
Very nice colors

[violet geyser]

What are the switches in that kb?

[gilded gyro]

Glorios kekw

[rustic ridge]

Glorios LMAO

[gilded gyro]

Glorios

the brand that's synonymous with big oof

[rustic ridge]

Rip my homie alex

[gilded gyro]

I mean their products are good it's just that their QC is terrible

[rustic ridge]

I haven’t talked to him or Ragan in a while

[gilded gyro]

Like I have never known someone not have a problem with a Glorios mouse

[rustic ridge]

Fr

[gilded gyro]

I mean tbh for 60$ you can get the XM1R

[rustic ridge]

But yeah it was a gift, since my gb mouse became discolored and squeaked 2 weeks in of use

I got 100 usd credit

[gilded gyro]

Oh wait Model D

doesn't Zowie have the EC2-C out already

[rustic ridge]

unsure

Im not the biggest mouse guy, I like what feels good to me

[gilded gyro]

Yeah it is

[gilded gyro]

I mean have you ever tried the Model-D?

[rustic ridge]

Well yeah I bought it for someone and it felt sort of like a Deathadder

[gilded gyro]

Have you ever tried the EC2?

[rustic ridge]

I’ve only tried the S series

The s2 and s1

[gilded gyro]

oh then if you liked the Model-D then you'll like the EC2-C or EC1-C @rustic ridge

[gilded gyro]

neither? what country are you in those are both terrible keyboards

Actually are they 20$?

[quasi wasp]

Is it true that shine through PBT keycaps sound bad?

[boreal rivet]

stop worrying about sound before you've even gotten the keyfeel you want

[quasi wasp]

Alright thx

[gilded gyro]

tbh as long as it's not rattly it's ok @boreal rivet you won't hear your keyboard over your headphones

like just lube stabs

[quasi wasp]

I often don’t use headphones while using the keyboard

[cunning anvil]

is trackpoint part of a keyboard lol

I've been looking for something pleasant that does use it, laptop or external, but not much luck aside from ThinkPads and similar

[gilded gyro]

I think that literally only ThinkPads have that. Iirc it's a patent

[cunning anvil]

any that can take a trackpoint mod then? idm that

[gilded gyro]

I mean where can you find trackpoints lying around

Also doesn't Lenovo sell the keyboard itself separately?

[cunning anvil]

https://github.com/manna-harbour/crkbd/blob/master/trackpoint/readme.org

this was what i was looking at before but

not sure

because split

[gilded gyro]

I have no idea how to do that

[regal knot]

It's been 1 hour and 30 minutes

[urban glade]

I used to daily a crkbd, it’s not that hard to get used to. It depends what you’re doing. It just got tedious using layers for me but I’m sure I could have gotten used to it with better keymaps

[cunning anvil]

i thought about it and it looked like tracking down the right keyboard and making the module might be a bit much for me haha

[urban glade]

I used to use it at school lol

The tex shinobi exists as a more typical board with trackpoint

[cunning anvil]

looks great! i think i might just grab a planck ez for the moment