peripherals

[lilac grotto]

Those laptop keyboards are really silent

[urban glade]

Unless your walls are non existent it doesn’t really have to be absolutely silent

[lilac grotto]

Find some low profile keyboard with linear switches

[hollow niche]

i am not specifically looking for mechanical, membrane is okay, i have backup mech only for night time i need silent ones

[urban glade]

Typing reasonably on a quiet keyboard is just as quiet as hammering a near silent one

[lilac grotto]

Logitech mx keys?

[hollow niche]

ccross checking through my history

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xAVCT5TFeo

saw this but yes after watching your video i felt they are nice option to look for

[pallid trout]

That means actively adjusting your typing habits instead of using muscle memory, which is slower.

Better to just get a cheap chiclet.

[forest sigil]

hmm... thoughts?

[pallid trout]

Smooth af
First thought that comes to my mind

No scratch, no spring ping. Just switch hitting housing.

[potent void]

Pics of the keeb i got today

Keychron Q1 with Phantom Reds in Navy Blue

[pallid trout]

now mod it

[potent void]

As you wish

[fierce walrus]

x

...

[lost parcel]

Would it be possible to solder a different type of switches on this board? Currently I'm using outemu reds and I'd like to go tactile, maybe kailh brown or similar.

[urban glade]

ye just desolder

[near sparrow]

Guys the Keychron C1 Mac is available here will it work fine with windows?

[lost parcel]

Nice, thank you

Trust gxt890

I've owned this board for about two years, if it's more worth it to just buy a different one I'll buy it someday

But I like the idea of just replacing the switches and saving some money

[lost parcel]

I'm not sure if I'm able to get those here

[soft kiln]

kailh box switches are quite nice

[lost parcel]

Do I need new keycaps to go with those?

[soft kiln]

as far as i know yes

these are Kailh BOX Ancient Grays

[distant mirage]

Yes, I just did a build with the Akko Ocean Blue (similar to Gateron Brown) -- they have a nicer tactile bump and are very smooth.

Romeo & Mercutio side by side

[lost parcel]

Well, I'm missing a D keycap anyway, thanks. What's the heaviest kailh box switch?

[soft kiln]

BOX Ancient Grays are 95 cN AFAIK

[hollow niche]

yup got that after watching the other one.

[spice spear]

Hello is anyone a user or had any experience with the "GENESIS THOR 210 RGB" keyboard?

i'm thinking about buying a new keeb and this one's pretty cheap and i kinda like it

[unkempt dome]

Akko switches fit outemu hotswappable socket but are really hard to remove after putting them in

They will most likely fit the board that have desoldered outemu switches but can't guarantee it

You don't need to change the keycaps if they are mx compatible

[spice spear]

Idk what u just said but ok

[rocky scarab]

whats a good keyboard 🤔 i want a cool but comfy looking keyboard (money is not to much of a problem but id rather not spend over 200 on a keyboard

[soft kiln]

Keychron K2 is like 70$

[rocky scarab]

🤔

[ebon mortar]

https://www.amazon.sa/dp/B0731CJ4ZJ/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_VJR5YAQQC42QBD2YGESP is this good and will it last

[spice spear]

Right i bought the 210 already having problems lol it wont type like at all it was typing for a bit now its not, what i've done rn is deleted all the keyboard and restarted the pc now im waiting until the pc turns on

So first of all scrl lock didnt turn off so i turned it off via on screen keyboard

[spice spear]

i've got this idea, is it possible to make your keyboard light sync with music?

[potent void]

yeah. sometimes the software will allow it, or there is some totally not sketchy keyboard software you can use

[distant mirage]

You can try OpenRGB Audio Visualizer for that. Depends on the keyboard though

[spice spear]

okey i'll try that thanks

i dunno how to even open it but as much as i see it does not support any genesis keyboards

[tribal flax]

Anyone have a gk61 ?

[potent void]

@meager hare you wanna take this one since you have it and you are suddenly back in this server?

[meager hare]

i dont have a gk61

[potent void]

Oh really? I thought you did

[wild basin]

someone next to me had cherrymx blues

they're somewhere in heaven now :)

[orchid lion]

https://kbdfans.com/collections/pre-lubed-switches/products/gateron-pre-lubed-switches-10-pcs?variant=39366101303435

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B082KQG2CH/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=headtr1p-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B082KQG2CH&linkId=7931bec482dc230fde06268dfd137ede

Uh

So

Yes

They work?

[unkempt dome]

it's stated that it's for mx switches

And it's stated that the gateron have mx stem

So yes

[prisma basin]

now the question is, how loud is it

[prisma basin]

when your keyboard is bigger than your desk

yeah I have tall fingers too

[chrome raft]

How are the Keychron keyboards?

[tough fiber]

New to the mechanical keyboard scene, anyone have suggestions on entry level 65% boards that are pre-assembled?

[strange lichen]

my currrent board

@tough fiber nk65

[pallid trout]

👀

nice nice

[strange lichen]

also have this

and this for some topre love

[verbal canopy]

nice Norb

Gonna share my Time80 too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/620842304957186049/890658886120513586/DSC00142.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/620842304957186049/890658864435965962/DSC00169.png

[near pewter]

hey man, can someone suggest a keyboard?

i have some requirements

1. Full 104 keys
2. Nkro
3. Preferably just plain white backlighting, dont like RGB
4. Cherry mx brown switches
5. Good build quality

Someone suggested filco majestouch but that didnt have backlighting so i was kinda put out

[unkempt dome]

Check durgod offering

Or leopold and varmilo

If you're set on cherry switches that's probably the things to do

[near pewter]

i think ill go with durgod

[unkempt dome]

They have a nice build quality

Well so I've heard ... the only durgod I have it the fusion

[pliant carbon]

Can somebody suggest me like THE cheapest mechanical keyboard

[verbal canopy]

Buy second hand

[ebon mortar]

https://www.amazon.sa/-/en/AOAS-Mechanical-Professional-M-700-Breathing/dp/B093L7VG16/ref=asc_df_B093L7VG16/?tag=sashogostdde-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=452983749551&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12709138381735893232&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9076764&hvtargid=pla-1262772774150&psc=1

[obsidian summit]

hey guys - not really a keyboard qusetion but think this is the best channel for peripherals... I really like this desk pad from grove but worried because I saw a few things online saying they're not the "best" for gaming optical mice... Is this really something I should be concerned of with a logitech pro x superlight? https://grovemade.com/product/wool-felt-desk-pad/?initial=683

[humble scarab]

Does anyone have Yunzii keyboard?

[ivory ingot]

i'm modding one for a friend, what about them?

[tough fiber]

@strange lichen whats the go to place for purchasing similar boards? I think I am settled on 65% or 75%

[deep quarry]

where do I buy progressive springs

[chrome raft]

Guys how to fix my moms fart keyboard

[subtle grotto]

just lubed my big brothers stabs that hes been complaining abt feeling good 😎

[fiery vale]

rate my new keyboard

Old one broke, cheap mech ones are puke and Varmilo is kind too pricey for me right now.

[ionic briar]

modern cherry are known for their shit build quality
i would say par for the course

[pallid trout]

[fiery vale]

Cherrys usually are just wet cardboard boxes in terms of build quality.

[pallid trout]

bruh no

[fiery vale]

I am still not sure whether I should go for a Ducky One 2 or a Varmilo custom board. Ducky is cheaper but still has double-shot PBT keycaps in my language. Varmilo has better switches available, but is more expensive and probably takes a millennia to arrive.

Both really tempting.

[boreal rivet]

Cherry boards have always been garbage, new or old

[fiery vale]

(so are their switches)

[boreal rivet]

People have this impression that old cherry was built well just because they had og doubleshots

Old cherry did look nice though

[fiery vale]

Yeah, I really like the look of the g80-3000

But it really is just a wet cardboard box.

[pallid trout]

Yeah unless you can show me where Cherry fails in build quality where the switches fall apart in use, I'm not buying it lmao

Switch feel is a different matter.

[boreal rivet]

something being built like shit does not prevent it from working as intended 🤷‍♂️

[fiery vale]

^

The way I would get my Varmilo board would cost me bloody 190€ + shipping. Shit.

[boreal rivet]

Buy a realforce

[fiery vale]

Can't.

[boreal rivet]

It's the only affordable endgame

[fiery vale]

I would love to, though.

[boreal rivet]

Unlucky

[ionic briar]

yea it works, thats all fine
just saying that it built like shit.

doesnt mean that it will break in 6 months time btw

[fiery vale]

I have been looking at Realforce boards for a long time now. Not a single one is available.

[ionic briar]

where are you from?

[fiery vale]

Germany

LTT just censored Germany without the many. Bloody dimwit.

[boreal rivet]

Maybe it will maybe it won't that's a gamble you have to take

[ionic briar]

yep
it is what it is unfortunately

[boreal rivet]

I think my rf is built like shit too

But it works great

And is literally waterproof

[ionic briar]

https://candykeys.com/category:mechanical-keyboards/brand:all/keyboard-size:all/colors:all/switches:all/led:all/layout:all/stock:in-stock
german vendor shop

okay that doesnt make any grammar sense

vendor shop

[boreal rivet]

Try mm

[pallid trout]

so what, does the housing wobble?
can you feel the spring as you press?
What's wrong with it then? idk what kind of Cherry switches you're using but I've yet to come across a Cherry switch set that feels like it has a bunch of QC problems.

[boreal rivet]

You can just keep reposting a eu only wtb

[pallid trout]

I don't get where the hate comes from lmao

[boreal rivet]

I'm not talking about the board?

[fiery vale]

Now try to filter it. ISO-DE in stock.

[pallid trout]

Neither am I my guy

[boreal rivet]

Oo switches sorry

Also cherry does has had qc issues in the past with their switches

[fiery vale]

We have been talking about the boards being shit and then also talking about the switches being shit.

Which they are.

[boreal rivet]

Meh all switches are ok

Just depends on preference and how much clout you want

[fiery vale]

No, MX Browns belong with satan

[boreal rivet]

I can respect that

[fiery vale]

Einstein agrees with me on that. Def.

Source: trust me, bro.

I have found good G81 boards on ebay. 15 bucks a pop.

Good price for keycaps

Rate my keyboard that I am not able to afford. Light grey keys should be white, dark grey keys should be light. They just can't offer the first two rows in white, so I had to revert to this.

Wait a minute, wrong layout.

[ionic briar]

https://candykeys.com/category:mechanical-keyboards/brand:all/keyboard-size:all/colors:all/switches:all/led:all/layout:iso-de/stock:in-stock

[fiery vale]

Now try to find any RealForce keyboard in there.

Cause that was the task.

[ionic briar]

ah

well thats a problem

[fiery vale]

Yeah. I have been looking for years at this point.

[ionic briar]

realforce doesnt do iso at all looks like

[fiery vale]

Oh they did.

There have been boards available, but that was in around 2018 or something

[ionic briar]

ooh interesting

[boreal rivet]

none of the R2s have iso layouts

you'll have to look for one on mechmarket

[soft kiln]

chads use dvorak layout

[fiery vale]

Try pressing these: ü, ö, ä, ß

[soft kiln]

but i dont need a german layout

[fiery vale]

Lucky you

[paper plume]

What is a good budget 60% or budget TKL keyboard? I have been looking at the gk61 but idk about any others really.

Like under $100

[humble scarab]

Are there any 75% keyboard compatible with Razer Chroma?

[urban glade]

@fiery vale my german friend bought realforce straight from amazon japan

depends what layout etc u want

[ionic briar]

kemove snowfox/shadowfox and gamakay k61

[humble scarab]

Does anyone have a RGB Mistel keyboard?

[sick hazel]

Hey guys. Any suggestion on low profile 87 key clicky/tactile mechanicals with as low as possible key travel? For now Havit's KB390L seems like the best option

[chrome raft]

Keychron mabye

[fickle belfry]

@sick hazel Redragon K588 RGB Backlit Mechanical Gaming Keyboard with Programmable Keys Macro Recording Blue Switches Compact Tenkeyless Design with Detachable Palm Rest & USB-C USB Passthrough for Windows PC https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07RDMJKW8/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_SZ6VPAV7TB9PT6GVPGR9

@sick hazel ROCCAT Vulcan TKL Tenkeyless Tactile Mechanical Titan Switch PC Gaming Keyboard with Per-Key AIMO RGB Lighting, Anodized Aluminum Top Plate, and Detachable USB-C Cable - Black https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08RHNB4HD/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_26P10JPR08FR1DWNM8PG?psc=1

[ionic island]

I got a keychron q1 today but my desk is too small for the coiled cable

Is there any way I can make it fit and look nice or should I just get a black braided one

[potent void]

Congrats! I just got one too. Try to snake the cable down your desk more, and flip the connector so the coil goes the other way. Or just move the cable to the other side

[ionic island]

What's this thing

It fell out of the keyboard

Like it was under the keycaps

[ionic island]

Thanks

[main pumice]

comes with those caps?

[strange lichen]

https://thicthock.com/collections/springs-1

[strange lichen]

hard to say really depends on where you are and like if you are looking for a prebuilt/etc? i only buy from group buys currently. you could look at drop.com mechanicalkeyboards.com

[ionic island]

its from a keychron q1

I took it apart to see the gasket mount

and when I put it together that came out

[strange lichen]

just built this yesterday decent little board

[ionic briar]

ikki68 very noice

[strange lichen]

might cover up the led logo thing its kind too too bright

also i 3d printed a different badge

[ionic briar]

yea, you need a diffuser for that led area

[strange lichen]

might die cut some vinyl for it

[ionic island]

how do I make the gasket mount on my keychron q1 less stiff

It doesnt do anything while typing

[elfin stag]

does anyone use Kailh low profile switches? how does it feel?

[strange lichen]

@elfin stag i have a macro pad with kailh blues also about to build a boardwalk board with them, i feel like clicky switches are better in low profile switches but your mileage may vary. also i have a morgrie 60 with white kailh switches but i dont use it enough to evaluate

[elfin stag]

i'm thinking of using them in a midi controller, it is much more cost effective than Sanwa obsc-24 arcade buttons

[strange lichen]

@sharp quartz what are you going to run it off of? i saw a project before seemed pretty cool

[boreal rivet]

Buy a rubberdome

[elfin stag]

Arduino Pro Micro(it has USB-HID) with 2 x (8 to 1) multiplexers

and i'm also thinking of adding RGB lights using neopixels

these are such cost effective components, combined would be $30 with the similar feel of $300 midi controller.

its just that i live in 3rd world country that $13 worth of switches cost $49 to get here

[deep quarry]

is there any place where its in stock

[boreal rivet]

https://www.spritdesigns.com/mx

[fiery vale]

ISO-DE, which sadly is nowhere to be found.

[urban glade]

just get old g80-3000had

or 1000had

[fiery vale]

Those are cardboard boxes. As a cheap mech board, they work fine. But I much rather would get a Ducky.

[urban glade]

lol

[fiery vale]

The availability for custom keyboards with ISO-DE is also very bad. Either it's out of stock, not like I want it to be or hella expensive.

[urban glade]

maybe the build quality is not excessively premium but they are reliable at least

i've had a handful of cherry boards

the earliest from 1988

currently typing on one from 1997

all working fine

[fiery vale]

Currently typing on a dome with slider board with ALPs keycaps.

It's really shitty.

Instead of using stabilisers, they just use two switches for one key.

So it's really stiff for the return, delete, shift and spacebar.

[urban glade]

dont buy direct from sprit lol. scammer

[boreal rivet]

anything from cherry that isn't mx is shit

the scam thing was a long time ago

he is reliable and fast

unless something new happened

[urban glade]

still hear that his shipping is extraordinarily slow

oh hm

has that changed in the past couple months? lol

[boreal rivet]

last time I bought from him was 2-3 years ago

[urban glade]

imo just buy from reseller anyway, easier to get when it ships from where u are

[boreal rivet]

i would expect him to have improved in that time

[urban glade]

but i prefer tx

so i havent bought from sprit

[fiery vale]

I would just get novelkey royal boxes

If I would be looking for new switches.

Price-wise it's alright but still yields a nice tactility.

[boreal rivet]

tactile box switches develop a click after a while

unless they've fixed that

[urban glade]

i dont believe they have but i could be wrong

[fiery vale]

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/cherry-tastatur-keyboard-g80-1000-had-20-dip-schalter-din/1580092955-225-4898

Holy damn.

[urban glade]

lol price

[fiery vale]

Yeah.

Imagine spending almost 300 bucks on a keyboard.

[urban glade]

they should be cheap in germany

[urban glade]

i'd never 😬

[fiery vale]

They aren't

[urban glade]

just browse ebay for cherry tastatur until u find good one for cheap

[fiery vale]

The exchange rate from $ to € is a bit different as the € is more valuable, but for electronics, they somehow just end up at the same price.

I did.

I found a couple Cherry MY keyboards in stellar condition.

For 15 bucks.

[urban glade]

sad?

[fiery vale]

Worth it just for the keycaps.

[urban glade]

iso-de dyesubs sell for a lot now lol

[fiery vale]

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/cherry-g80-3000lpcde-0-vintage-tastatur-mit-linear-mx-blacks/1847373012-225-1922

[urban glade]

nah not sad

just get that boxed 2100

lmao

i miss mine

[fiery vale]

Might still go for that one that I showed.

Still gonna keep the cherry board I just bought as a spare board. Cause currently, I have none.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/REALFORCE-Function-Japanese-Sublimation-R2TLSA-JP3-IV-SHK/dp/B07G4B6ZH9/ref=sr_1_16?dchild=1&keywords=リアルフォース&qid=1633145807&sr=8-16 This in full-size and ISO-DE would be the dream.

[urban glade]

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/German-Topre-Realforce-105UB-Keyboard/dp/B004DDR48Q?sa-no-redirect=1

this is the closest i found with quick google

i dont think they did r2 in ISO 😦

[fiery vale]

I know.

Which is just sad.

I wish Cooler Master would still produce the Nova Key.

MX mount with Topre switch at the same weight.

[urban glade]

i've yet to try novatouch sliders

i'm happy with the stock caps on my hhkb hybrid

[fiery vale]

Oh I can't stand the HHKB. That CTRL key ....

[urban glade]

i reprogram every board i own to have ctrl on capslock lol

i also reprogram all of them to have the row 2 bksp

[fiery vale]

Caps is just as useless as scroll lock, break, end and pos1

[urban glade]

i pulled up a pic of a german board to check what 'pos1' is

i use that a lot lol

[boreal rivet]

Depends on what you do

[urban glade]

discord tbh

[boreal rivet]

Built diff

[urban glade]

90% of my keyboard usage is just discord

[fiery vale]

So it's just another macro for you

[urban glade]

not sure what u mean by macro

[boreal rivet]

Trying hard to not rationalise a f77 purchase

[urban glade]

just get it

and then forget about it

cus u wont get it for an eternity or 2

lol

[boreal rivet]

Lol true

[urban glade]

typing on this 5k has me not wanting to go back to a normal tkl again

[boreal rivet]

That thing is the only keyboard related thing I've wanted in 2 years

[fiery vale]

What happens if you press that button? For me it a whole lot of absolute nothingness.

[urban glade]

forgot how comfy the 'squashed' nav cluster is

[urban glade]

cursor goes back to the start of the current line

its the 'home' key on english boards

[boreal rivet]

Programmers use it

Probably

[fiery vale]

For me it just goes to a seemingly random post

[urban glade]

So much better than normal tkl nav cluster

[fiery vale]

Nice cherry switch on the other board

[urban glade]

ty

that cap my biggest wast eof money

rly fucking dumb

[fiery vale]

I really like it

I'd use it as an ESC button.

[urban glade]

@boreal rivet i 1:1 mx clack for that fucking cherry cap

😭

[fiery vale]

mx clack?

[urban glade]

overpriced keycap

that pink skull one at top

that cherry cap is rly rare

[boreal rivet]

LOL

[urban glade]

there are modern remakes but i dont like the texture of them

[fiery vale]

I miss those green shine-through plastic thingys on thekeys.

[urban glade]

$500 pad printed cap so worth

[fiery vale]

I find that better than a separate indicator on the top right.

[boreal rivet]

Mx clack is worth 500?

[urban glade]

ye if not more

[boreal rivet]

Never got into artisans

[urban glade]

500 was for pepto

its why i only have 1 of them lol

[boreal rivet]

Another reminder why artisans need to die

[urban glade]

the one i kept 'only' 250 or so i think

[fiery vale]

Eminem opened a new restaurant called Mom's Spaghetti in Detroit btw.

[urban glade]

artisans are the dumbest thing

but i like them so shrug

[urban glade]

and same, i want more boards with them

[fiery vale]

Don't need RGB, I need on-switch caps/num/scroll lock indicators.

[urban glade]

i dont own any board with rgb

tbh i dont think i own anything with rgb lol

[fiery vale]

The only thing RGB I own is my GPU and my sound card.

[urban glade]

maybe that explains why im bad at games 😔

[tough fiber]

Ideally a prebuilt. Looking to try the Gateron switches. 65% to 75% layout

[urban glade]

need rgb to be good at games

[fiery vale]

True

But who needs skill in videogames anyway if you just play management games and strategy games ...

Or singleplayer.

Totally not me though

[urban glade]

who needs skills if you dont game at all

[fiery vale]

True

[solid kelp]

dumb question for y'all kb nerds. I have a Razer Kb and I use Razer Synapse 3. I want to set a macro that only activates when multiple keys are pressed. So I want to set a macro that puts text when I press "L-CTRL + R-CTRL + S"

[fiery vale]

I have no idea, I despise Razer.

[urban glade]

idk how with razer synapse but it would be trivial with ahk

used to use ahk till i just moved to powertoys

[fiery vale]

Imagine being Razer and needing a 400mb software that takes up 450mb of ram to use "on-the-fly" macros. Something 30yo boards could do without software.

[urban glade]

this numpad i have has it and i love it

you program the macros using the keyboard plugged into the passthrough port

[fiery vale]

I got a friend who just got the Cynosa ...

[solid kelp]

rip

fucking sucks

[urban glade]

i also liked the macros of my g80-2100hcd back when i had that. i want one again lol

[solid kelp]

I have a letter that's not available on my kb layout and I don't want to remember the ALT code

[fiery vale]

Did your old one break?

[solid kelp]

big big rip

[urban glade]

nah i sold it

[fiery vale]

Lol

Get rekt by yourself I guess

[urban glade]

sold almost all my cherry boards cus they almost all went unused

[fiery vale]

Same with my old NDS games ... until I wanted to use them again

[urban glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857329011855720469/867035934847533106/image0.jpg

that was like a

year ago?

10 months ago

[fiery vale]

those keyboards in the 2nd row

lovely

[urban glade]

the left went to a friend and the right is on my bed rn (but i since sold the caps)

just keeping its switches

[fiery vale]

I'd just bleach them and be happy for it

How bad is rattling on old G80s?

[urban glade]

its rly not an issue at all

in my experience

[fiery vale]

holy damn I think I will get that 30€ g80

[urban glade]

unless u mean stab rattle? but there's no plate, its trivial to just lube

[fiery vale]

yeah, stab rattle

[urban glade]

just get dielectric / 205g0 / dbz / whatever meme lube ppl use now

its easy to lube stabs

dont even have to take apart

[fiery vale]

Hopefully

G83-3000 SAD

What's the difference between a G80?

[urban glade]

g83 is dogshit

diff switches

g80 is mx switches

https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_article_numbers

its a little bit of reading but all the info you could need is right here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G-LZLjPp25AtXDylIo6_WooRnF7c6wTSCkUafsFmb2U/edit#gid=138042974

and a database of almost all known g80/g81

[fiery vale]

Yeah, I know. I was asking because of the SAD thingy

[urban glade]

sad means german layout dyesub caps

but it doesnt matter cus its g83 so it would be awful to use

[fiery vale]

LPCDE = Lasered keycaps black switches DE layout?

[urban glade]

ye

that shouldnt rly be worth anything

tbh

[fiery vale]

I think I will take that

Why?

for 30€?

[urban glade]

the lasered caps arent desirable

og doubleshots are probs the reasonable best

[fiery vale]

but they are a lot more expensive

looks like this

[urban glade]

ya u sent the link earlier

if you look at the homing keys - you see the bar?

[fiery vale]

I know, I resent it in case you closed the tab.

[urban glade]

that means they're thin

[fiery vale]

Homing keys?

[urban glade]

F & J

the little bars on them

[fiery vale]

yeah

[urban glade]

thin on left and thick on right

[fiery vale]

I mean for 30€ it's better than a rubber dome board

[urban glade]

true, i just think you should be able to get a board like that cheaper

[fiery vale]

Most is 50€+

[urban glade]

sure, can just get

always the chance to find and get something better later

have you been up all night too? i'm UK lol

[fiery vale]

I just woke up

[urban glade]

i think i'm about to head to bed lol

[fiery vale]

rip u

[urban glade]

hope i helped, just lmk if u want more help with cherry boards. can ping or dm, i dont mind

[fiery vale]

Thanks!

[urban glade]

[fiery vale]

Take care

[strange lichen]

scoops not bars

or dots

[urban glade]

Yes I literally said that the bars showed they’re thin lol

Scoops and dots are thick.

[strange lichen]

im trying to make a whole braille kit

[potent void]

oh thats pretty cool

i hope that works out, i can see that being really useful

[boreal rivet]

How are you supposed to use a computer if you're blind lol

[potent void]

oh

i didnt think about that

well never mind

[strange lichen]

text to speech

most keebs have like bars on the f and j key already

[boreal rivet]

Those bars are just homing keys for touch typing

[strange lichen]

i dunno i saw overlays for like macbook keebs and whatnot

[fiery vale]

no pun intended

[potent void]

i can feel that being useful

[fiery vale]

👍

[fleet pond]

I should have spent my money on custom keyboard 😐

[ivory ingot]

it's one helluva rabbit hole

i started around a year and 2 months ago and now i'm 8.3k USD deep

[strange lichen]

dont do it @fleet pond

[sour peak]

so far I managed to stop at $600

[strange lichen]

i lost my wife and kids on keebs

😦

[boreal rivet]

Spending more than 1k on a keyboard is stupid and financially irresponsible

[fiery vale]

h o w ?

[ivory ingot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qaykaOIPNlZjgVSzT6WarALbMBl1XERAvmUXxttYKXg/edit#gid=0

aka i hate my wallet

[boreal rivet]

You need to get help

[ivory ingot]

you're not wrong

[fiery vale]

https://tenor.com/view/disappear-peace-out-gone-bye-gotta-go-gif-7342741

[fiery vale]

your wallet right now

[ivory ingot]

deadass

part of me justifies it because i'm a CS student and i'll be using keyboards every day as part of my livelihood so might as well type on something nice right?

[boreal rivet]

Then buy one nice one and use that

Wtfp

[ivory ingot]

i took a job offer recently so i decided to reward myself

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fiery vale]

With things you are not using?

[boreal rivet]

So much copium

[ivory ingot]

keyboards are a way for me to express my aesthetic choice

kinda like how people customize their cars

[fiery vale]

carS

right

[ivory ingot]

and i do use all my boards regularly

[fiery vale]

Most people only have one car and mod it to their liking lol

[boreal rivet]

You can express you aesthetic choice with one keyboard

[ivory ingot]

ultimately it's my spending money and i'm financially in a good place right now even past keyboards

i save half of my income already and invest it as well as pay for my car

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

this is also like my only hobby atm

[fiery vale]

Try woodworking

[ivory ingot]

my hands are too shaky lmao

[fiery vale]

You don't need calm hands for that lol

[ivory ingot]

i should set up my 3D printer sometime tho

fair

[fleet pond]

I just buy one

[ivory ingot]

maybe i should give it a try sometime

[fiery vale]

It's really calming

And really rewarding and satisfying

[ivory ingot]

another issue is, since i'm at uni, i don't really have space for many tools

woodworking kinda requires space

i feel

not really much space in my apartment for that stuff, nor do i have a good spot to do the woodworking in

[fiery vale]

Depends on how many tools you wanna get but you can get by with a shelf of tools.

The only big things you don't wanna be missing is a table saw.

And maybe a miter saw.

[ivory ingot]

yeahhhh there's def no space for a table saw unfortunately

once i graduate and move somewhere where i might have some more space i'll def look into woodworking

[fiery vale]

It's fucking awesome.

The satisfaction of creating your own furniture just with your hands and your brain is awfully rewarding

[ivory ingot]

oh i bet

[near pewter]

Hey man looking for a keyboard for a friend..

Need suggestions..

His requirements are a little more than mine, which I had mentioned here earlier

1. 104 keys
2. NKRO
3. Some backlighting, preferred to have just white light
4. Wireless/Bluetooth
5. Cherry MX brown switches

Any suggestions?

[fiery vale]

@urban glade I asked the guy that sold that 30€ G80 about the board. He sadly doesn't ship. oof

[gilded gyro]

Cherry MX browns kekw?

They can't be budged on that?

[near pewter]

Why? No available options?

I'll ask him if he is okay with non-chrrry MX switches

He has been using cherry MX blues on his cheap mechanical keyboard for like 7-8 years now, and he likes them very much..

He tried the same keyboard recently, which now comes with kaihl switches and he said he didn't like them

[fiery vale]

LSCDE on Cherry boards is basically Dye Sublimed ABS?

[glacial sapphire]

I just bought this same keyboard transparent keyboard well whats graet is its transparent 😂

[gilded gyro]

Cherry MX switches are the worst mechanical switches that aren't like super cheapo dustproof outemus

[fiery vale]

My old keyboard had cheap outemou blues ...

[urban glade]

Lasered

[fiery vale]

You can listen to the lovely spring crunching down

What does the S stand for?

LSCDE vs LPCDE

[urban glade]

It’s in the link I sent u I thought

[gilded gyro]

tbh I'd say get them an Royal Kludge RK100 instead

@near pewter

[urban glade]

It’s been a long time but I think it’s to do with the connector

[fiery vale]

P = MX Blue

[gilded gyro]

or like Keychorn K4 Hot Swap

[fiery vale]

So the first letter is the keycap, the second letter is the switch and the third is what?

[gilded gyro]

or Keychron K10

for true 100%

[urban glade]

Just read it

The info is there

And then look at the examples at the bottom

[fiery vale]

L = Lasered
S = Cherry MX Blue
C = PS/2 + USB
DE = ISO-DE Layout?

[urban glade]

Yes

[fiery vale]

Noice, now I got it. Thanks.

There are around 9 LPCDE boards on Ebay. Maybe I can get one of those.

Thankfully, also in white

I also found a Mitsumi KKR-E99 AC.

Should I get that one instead of a g80 with mx black?

[near pewter]

@gilded gyro why gateron

[gilded gyro]

Gateron > Cherry

[near pewter]

Aren't gaterons like Chinese cherry MX?

[gilded gyro]

Superior Cherry MX

[fiery vale]

A lot smoother

[gilded gyro]

even then they're hot swap so you can just buy the cheapo Cherry MX switches yourself @near pewter

[fiery vale]

Cherry MX Sand is the more appropriate name for MX reds

[gilded gyro]

it'll still be cheaper than the Corsair wireless with MX Browns

[near pewter]

All I'm concerned is, durability and feel

[fiery vale]

Yo @gilded gyro Mitsumi KKR E99 or G80-3000 MX Black?

[near pewter]

Not a keyboard enthusiast

[gilded gyro]

Then go Kailh Box browns

[soft kiln]

Lubing the keys can make the experience better

[gilded gyro]

Gaterons are just as durable as Cherry

[near pewter]

I have a cooler master masterkeys pro L

[gilded gyro]

actually the new batches are more durable

[near pewter]

Cherry MX brown

I love them

[soft kiln]

I can't stand mx browns

[gilded gyro]

have you tried any other mechanical keyboard other than that

[fiery vale]

Liking MX Browns

https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-gif-23165146

[fiery vale]

The ß in your name actually is just an s.

[gilded gyro]

https://www.pcgamingrace.com/products/kailh-mx-switches
@near pewter you can get Kailh Box browns (the most durable MX switch) here for 40$

[near pewter]

My skill is to be able to tell that cherry MX Brown's are little more mushier, but not annoying, compared to MX blues, and MX reds are mechanicals that are mushiest from my experience with keyboards

[soft kiln]

Thanks Mr obvious

[gilded gyro]

so you've never tried anything other than cherry switches?

[fiery vale]

Well, most people use fancy letters just like they look.

[near pewter]

I have used MX blues, MX Browns, and reds

Then I have tried kaihl

[gilded gyro]

Kailh what? and what year?

[near pewter]

I couldn't actually spot any difference

[gilded gyro]

Then just go Kailh box

they're way better built

[near pewter]

Kaihl i don't know the type

[soft kiln]

I am a kailh switch enjoyer

[gilded gyro]

Just get the RK100 and buy a 120 pack of box browns

unless you want to try out the Gateron Browns

[near pewter]

Also hot swappable or not is t my concern actually

[gilded gyro]

What are you going to do when a switch dies? Solder a new one on?

[near pewter]

I have never opened my keyboards actually

Nor do I plan to

[gilded gyro]

so you're going to throw it away that's extraordinarily wasteful

[near pewter]

I have been using an MX blue for like 10 years now.. it's alt key and D key are giving me a little headache

Also I bought the keyboard for like $30

[unkempt dome]

hotswappable is a must if you want to do some repairs ...

I had a anne pro 2 that the spacebar stab snapped ... I had to desolder the switch in order to fix it ... was really not a fun thing to do

[oblique parcel]

thoughs on this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cougar-Attack-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard/dp/B083L15XB8/ ?

[humble scarab]

Does anyone know good RGB keycaps

[unkempt dome]

you must mean shine through keycaps or pudding keycaps ... cause it's the board that is rgb and the keycap let the light go through or not ...

also I don't have shine through keycaps except those that came with my snowfox so I don't know much about those ...

I know hyper X have some pudding keycaps ... as for if they are good that's another question as I really have no idea about it

[humble scarab]

I was thinking about getting Razer Phantom Keycaps, but I have a Logitech Pro X

[unkempt dome]

are your switches mx compatible ? or are they romer-G

[fiery vale]

you misspelled "trash", buddy

[unkempt dome]

hehehe

[fiery vale]

Logitech really made an oopsie with their own switches

Even worse than MX brown

[unkempt dome]

never tried those logitech ones

[fiery vale]

Cherry MX reds got a bigger tactile bump than those romer-g's

[unkempt dome]

tried mx brown ... meh switches ... I don't like linear switches much

[humble scarab]

I have MX Blue and Romer g, liked them both tbh

It is compatible

[gilded gyro]

?

Kailh Box are the most durable MX switch

They're almost immortal

They're like IP56 or something

They're better than MX browns

Which is what they wanted for "durability"

[pallid trout]

If you're buying a switch for its durability to dust then you should probably take care of your room lmao

[urban glade]

durability is really an issue with keyboard switches

i've had lots of issues using 30 year old uncleaned switches...

kek, its really not a problem

[fiery vale]

yui, I found 9 boards on ebay

g80-3000 lpcde

[pallid trout]

switch subscription service

[worthy topaz]

Hey can someone please answer my question. So I am building my first pc and I of course need a keyboard. I have been looking at some and I found one that I like, but the problem is I know almost nothing about keyboards and the keyboard I found has 3 different options. Red switch, blue switch, and brown switch. Do these mean anything if so please tell me what the differences are and what the best one is. Here is the keyboard https://www.amazon.com/Mechanical-Keyboard-Switches-Rollover-Computer/dp/B089PWMKG1/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=E+yooso+Mechanical+Keyboard+Wired+Gaming+Keyboard+Red+Switches+LED+Backlit+87+Keys+N-Key+Rollover+Mechanical+Computer+Keyboard+for+PC+Gamers%2C+Black&qid=1633196543&sr=8-2

[unkempt dome]

usually red means linear, brown means tactile, blue means clicky ...

those are outemu switches

[worthy topaz]

@unkempt dome which one do you think is better for competitive gaming

[unkempt dome]

judging from the look of them and the hotswap socket

there's not such thing as better switch for a use case

it's a matte of preference

it won't give you any advantage using one type of switch or another

the mouse, monitor, and your system is where you should look at if you want better gaming performance if I can say so ...

[worthy topaz]

Ok so if nothing is different really which one feels better in your opinion and is quieter

[unkempt dome]

well clicky are the loudest so if you want quiet that's clearly not them as they have mechanism inside to make a click noise

so red or brown ...

red are linear so they will be "smooth" aka not have any tactile bump from top to bottom

brown are tactile so they will have a tactile response when pressing them

usually "gamers" prefers red switches for gaming

[worthy topaz]

What do you mean by tactile

[unkempt dome]

but I personally can't stand linear

[worthy topaz]

What don’t you like about them

What switch is your favorite

[unkempt dome]

exactly what it means ... a tactile feedback when you press the switch ... a resistance ... a bump

the bump can be soft or not ... can be round or sharp ... it depend of the switch

I don't like linear cause I feel they lack some feedback when typing

[worthy topaz]

So do I go with brown?

[unkempt dome]

I have gateron yellow which are really smooth and nice switches to use and not that expensive ... they are a good starter linear switches and they are heavier than reds ... but I still actuate some key unwillingly

well it depends of what you want ... do you want to have a feeling when you press the switch or do you want it to go from top to bottom without feeling anything ?

it's a really personal choice

[pallid trout]

The only way to know what switch you want is to try it.
Otherwise, gotta blind buy.

[worthy topaz]

I think if I felt something every time I press it down I will go crazy so no feeling would be good

[pallid trout]

So maybe Gat Yellow.

[fiery vale]

@urban glade I just got the g80-3000 lpcde for 12 bucks lol

[unkempt dome]

also I don't know much about the quality of the board you've shown ... for the price I guess it will do the job ... but be aware that if they are in fact outemu switches they are usually a bit loud and have spring ping ...

[pallid trout]

There's also the issue of spring weight, or the force required to press a key down.

[urban glade]

fair price

[unkempt dome]

so it won't be as quitet as a rubber dome over membrane board

[pallid trout]

Also one-stage or two-stage springs.

[fiery vale]

The cheapest went for 4 bucks lol

[worthy topaz]

@unkempt dome so blue and brown DONT have the tactile feedback?

[fiery vale]

But I missed that one cause I thought that all of the auctions would end at 8pm

[pallid trout]

No they do.

[unkempt dome]

blue and brown have tactile feedback

reds don't

[pallid trout]

Red is linear.

[unkempt dome]

aka linear

[worthy topaz]

Ok so if I don’t want feedback I go for the red?

[unkempt dome]

yes if you're set on that keyboard

but as I said it will still make some noise even those there's no click mechanism ...

when you bottom the switch and when it comes back up

if you want close to completely silent operation you might want to look for a keyboard with silent switches like cherry mx silent red for example

but that will cost more tho

[pallid trout]

Also o-rings, if you don't mind a slightly more mushy feel.

[unkempt dome]

yes ...

[worthy topaz]

Do you personally like red?

[unkempt dome]

but the downside of o-rings is that they don't silence the sound when the switch comes up

but it's halfway there

[pallid trout]

I mean you only have red as your linear option so

[pallid trout]

Is there such thing as keycap foam?

I know it exists for spacebars.

[unkempt dome]

probably you can make some ... I did try for my redragon ... but it didn't change the sound much

[worthy topaz]

I know absolutely nothing about keyboards but if I want to change switches in the future I will

[unkempt dome]

my suggestion would be to watch some reviews and sound test of linear switches keyboard ...

well lucky you the keyboard you chose have hotswap socket ... but the thing is that if it's outemu hotswap socket they are only compatible with outemu made switches and some others ... like they won't fit cherry, kailh or gateron unless you file down the contact pins ... they will fit outemu, boba and akko as far as I know ...

[worthy topaz]

Yes I definitely understood that 😉

[unkempt dome]

there's a lot of companies that make switches

the most famous one and usually the one that the newcomer in the keyboard world knows about is cherry

now there's a lot more like outemu which looks like is making the switch in the keboard you chose

[pallid trout]

Just don't let people fool you.
Cherry's alright. :)

[unkempt dome]

but not all company makes their switches the same ... outemu have thinner contact pins and they made their hotswap socket to go with them ... fortunately some other switches will fit in those like the akko switches

cherry is ok ... but for the price of those there's usually better options or the same for cheaper ... all in all it's a matter of preference ... I haven't tried a cherry switch that I like better than another one similar from another brand ... except for the cherry blue that I liked better than the outemu blue but both were outmatches by kailh box white and navy

@worthy topaz well hope that helped a bit ... if you want other keyboard options just ask here and I'm pretty sure people will be glad to suggest stuff

[fading salmon]

Fair warning: I'm a mechanical keyboard noob who has never actually used anything that's truly mechanical. My daily driver keyboard (apart from the one built into my Lenovo Flex 4-API) is an old clear & white Apple 109-key that I lubed with white lithium grease, to give you some idea of what I'm coming from.

I'm looking to get into a mechanical keyboard to go with my newly-"built" PC (Dell Optiplex 9010 MT with a GTX 1070, 500GB SATA SSD, 2TB HDD, and 24GB of RAM), but don't know what to get.

• I know that I want at least a full 104-key layout, but basically more keys = more better.
• Based on just my thoughts about feel and listening to switches online, I think I want the feel of Cherry Browns, but I want them to be as silent as possible.
• Per-key RGB would be great, but not necessary (RGB is not necessary at all).
• As evidenced by my "build" specs, I'm on somewhat of a budget. I'm willing to spend what's necessary to get something good, but I'm not ready to drop $200+ on a keyboard yet.

Any suggestions?

[ivory ingot]

Leopold is good (their FC900R looks to be the right layout that you're looking for) and so is Ducky

if you don't mind non-hotswap/prebuilts

[crystal hound]

Is this good

[fading salmon]

I don't mind them, but I would like to find switches that feel like Browns and are much quieter than Browns, and said switches may not be available in anything but a custom board...

[unkempt dome]

Kailh silent box brown

In hotswappable board

[ivory ingot]

fair, you could get a Melody 96 then

https://ymdkey.com/collections/diy-kit/products/kit-1-aluminum-cnc-top-acrylic-cnc-bottom-ymdk-melody-96-hotswap-pcb-keyboard-kit

might be pushing your budget

pair it with Gazzew Boba U4s

i've actually built a Melody with U4s before, i have a sound test i think

[unkempt dome]

Oh yes I heard that those were great

[fading salmon]

Just took a listen to them (I know it's inaccurate because of my speakers and their recording, but it's better than nothing), and I'm sold. Silent Box Browns it is!

[fading salmon]

Any suggestions for a board that's 104+ instead of 96? I'm planning on intercepting the keys that I don't normally use and putting special functions on them, so every key counts.

[ivory ingot]

there is this: https://ymdkey.com/collections/75-84-96-keyboard-diy/products/gk108-gk108s-plastic-case-rgb-hot-swap-independent-driver-wired-and-bluetooth-tyce-c-diy-kit

but i haven't heard much about it

[fading salmon]

Looks good to me. So I need:

• that chassis
• enough switches to populate it (by the way, will the Silent Box Browns work with the RGB, or do they block it?)
• and keycaps (any suggestions there? I'm looking for black-with-clear-markings double-shot PBT caps, if I understand correctly.)
  Right?

[ivory ingot]

depending on which Kailh Box Browns you get, they should be fine, as long as the top is transparent.
in terms of keycaps, any keycaps with shinethrough double shot should work. not sure if shinethrough doubleshot PBT exists; ABS should work fine

sike lmao: https://www.amazon.com/YMDK-Through-Switches-Mechanical-Keyboard（Only/dp/B08MDYK7RQ

[unkempt dome]

They work as far as I know

I like those keycaps

[fading salmon]

Okay, I'll look for transparent-topped switches. Any suggestions for where to get transparent silent box browns for a reasonably good price? Amazon wanted about $50 for just 70 of the non-transparent ones...

Is this any good for the switches? https://www.pcgamingrace.com/products/kailh-mx-switches

They're claiming $40 for 120 switches...

[unkempt dome]

Well they are not silent ones

[fading salmon]

Whoops. Thanks for catching that! I got there from just a general search that included "silent" in the search terms, so I just assumed that they would be the silent ones, guess I was wrong...

[unkempt dome]

You can look for gateron silent switches too if you want

Or the boba u4s mentioned earlier

[fading salmon]

Where's my best value going to be while still having the tactile feedback? Gateron, Boba, or Kailh?

Is $66.50 for 110 silent Kailh brown switches from ymdkey a good deal?

https://ymdkey.com/collections/switches-2/products/wholesales-smd-3-pin-kailh-box-silent-pink-silent-brown-switches-ip56-water-proof-interchange-cherry-mx-switches?variant=32054819946557

[ivory ingot]

i'd say that's an okay price i think

actually

hmmm

U4s can be found for around that price per switch, just a few more cents per switch, and offer a better tactile experience, however most of the ones you can find have a non-transparent housing

actually: https://ringerkeys.com/products/gazzew-boba-u4-silent-tactile-switches?variant=39471030009938

68g ones are available, the 62g ones are not

and i don't believe that they have enough available for your whole board

[fading salmon]

Well, I guess that settles that then. Is there any chance of a similar gateron beating the kailhs for price?

I guess this keyboard game really is pay-to-play, huh. This build is totaling up to $192.30 assuming no taxes or anything from ymdkey, and going with the cheaper 1-2 month shipping.

[ivory ingot]

...yeah

[ivory ingot]

re: Gateron, i don't believe they make silent browns?

[unkempt dome]

I'm not sure about that

[ivory ingot]

i stand corrected once again: https://www.amazon.com/Transparent-Switches-Mechanical-Keyboard-Compatible/dp/B07K7KLSR7

i am stupid

[unkempt dome]

Boba should have a better tactility and be more smooth than the kailh silent box brown

[ivory ingot]

^

[unkempt dome]

But those are quite expensive to get here

[ivory ingot]

highly recommend Bobas, i think they're worth the price

[ivory ingot]

oof wya

[unkempt dome]

Would cost me about 100$ cad to suit my gmmk tkl

[ivory ingot]

doesn't Ashkeebs stock Bobas?

price from there seemed to be nearly the same as they are in the US

[fading salmon]

Would Gateron Silent browns be better than Kailhs? I'm seeing Gaterons for about $20 less than Kailhs...

[ivory ingot]

can't speak about Gateron or Kailh silent brown switches tbqh

Kailh Box switches are theoretically dust proof and may be more expensive because of that but like...i haven't ran into issues with dust getting into my switches

[unkempt dome]

I don't know if gateron silent brown would be better than kailh silent box brown ...

I have the kailh silent box brown and they are nice switches for sure

[ivory ingot]

i'm sounding like a broken record, but if you can fit bobas into your budget, you really should try to. they're a huge step up from "entry level" Gateron, Cherry, and Kailh switches

[fading salmon]

Just looked at Ashkeebs, they don't carry kailhs at all and boba U4s are out of stock.

[soft kiln]

i want the kailh box ancient greys

[ivory ingot]

if you're in the US, use Ringerkeys

also Gazzew has a list of authorized vendors: https://www.gazzew.com/

these appear to be in stock: https://www.liligecko.com/products/gazzew-boba-u4-rgb-62g

[fading salmon]

Those are linear though...

[ivory ingot]

no, Boba U4s are tactile

[fading salmon]

Huh, they keep saying linear, but I believe you.

[ivory ingot]

Gazzew Bobagums are linear

[fading salmon]

Alright, I'll go for them then, if they're a better switch. They're less than $10 more than the Kailhs I was looking at anyways.

[ivory ingot]

i absolutely love my U4s

my coworkers also probably love them too LOL

[fading salmon]

Those will work in the hot-swap sockets from that kit, correct?

[ivory ingot]

yes!

[fading salmon]

Perfect, just wanted to make sure because the listing on lilgecko said PCB mount.

[unkempt dome]

5 pin pcb ?

[fading salmon]

Yep.

[unkempt dome]

They will fit

That about 1$ per switch for me

Will pass on them ;)

[ivory ingot]

that just means that the PCB has spots for 2 metal (signal?) pins and 3 plastic support pins to make sure the switch stays stable

[ivory ingot]

Gazzew's site says that https://rndkbd.com/ and Ashkeebs both stock his switches

[fading salmon]

Perfect. I'll order that stuff then. 11x 10 packs of Boba U4s from lilgecko, the kit from ymdkey, and the keycaps from amazon. Lets see what the wallet damage is...

[ivory ingot]

i know Ashkeebs restocks them almost monthly

0.85 CAD per switch kinda sucks tho, it just be like that ig :(

[unkempt dome]

Yeah there's not enough in stock

And add the shipping and you get really close to 1$/switch

[ivory ingot]

it's worth checking to see if Ashkeebs has restocked them every week or so i think

but also yeah, the price is pretty unfortunate

[unkempt dome]

Well I'm looking for the u4t 68g cream top

[ivory ingot]

gotcha

yeah, they usually restock both monthly

iirc????

i'm in their discord but i haven't checked to see if they ping Boba restocks they don't ping, but they have updates

[fading salmon]

Alright, the damage from my build is going to be $204.20. Ouch, but I know it's pay-to-play...

[ivory ingot]

if it makes you feel any better i've spent 8.3k USD on keyboards in the past year

[fading salmon]

Holy ~~~~! That's insane!

[soft kiln]

thats not to bad

[ivory ingot]

my wallet actually hates me

[fading salmon]

When the most expensive keyboard you've ever bought was $20, that's a pretty big jump.

[ivory ingot]

fair point

[fading salmon]

I'm not surprised, but you're the one who fills it, so that's alright, let it hate you...

[soft kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3Fy4PkpTVs

[fading salmon]

Well, I'm gonna go fight with payment information for a bit and then start my 1-2 month waiting period for the chassis to arrive. The keys and switches will probably be here by mid-week next week at the latest, but that chassis will take a longwhile...

[ivory ingot]

how much more is expedited shipping?

because i know for a fact that if you pay for it, you'll get the board in like, 4 business days

[fading salmon]

It's $23.00 instead of $3.50.

[ivory ingot]

i'm sad that this destroyed aftermarket prices for GMK Striker

[unkempt dome]

Congrats on the new board ... I'm pretty sure you'll like it ... well I hope you'll like it

[fading salmon]

Although it might honestly be worth it...

[ivory ingot]

yeahhhhh

[unkempt dome]

Are they making the chassis you chose in tkl or 65% ?

[soft kiln]

40% keyboard master race

[fading salmon]

Thanks! I appreciate the help y'all have given me, I couldn't have done it without your advice.

[ivory ingot]

GK68 and GK87 it looks like

[fading salmon]

I don't know, I can check...

[soft kiln]

what key switches are you getting ?

[fading salmon]

Beat me to it.

[ivory ingot]

what 40 you got? 40 is a bit too small for me lol

[unkempt dome]

I'll look for it thanks

[fading salmon]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0925Z8N5L/ref=crt_ewc_title_oth_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A257ALKOU7JKIJ

[soft kiln]

i dont have a 40 at the moment

[ivory ingot]

i just picked up a Saturn 60 for how good it looks like, but i really really miss my arrow keys

[soft kiln]

those look sick

[ivory ingot]

this gb just opened, but you'll have to do some soldering yourself: https://www.fruitykeeb.xyz/product/fruitbar

[ivory ingot]

ikr? i want to pick up a second when extras roll around

[soft kiln]

soldering is ez pz

[ivory ingot]

me

[fading salmon]

I wanted all black with just the transparent legends, but that's the closest that listing had, and I don't trust myself to go trying to find others on my own.

[ivory ingot]

honestly could just look up PBT Doubleshot shinethrough and see if you find anything

[fading salmon]

I've gotten quite good at soldering, it's desoldering that's tough when you've got no braid for it.

[ivory ingot]

oh man, i hate desoldering

still haven't gotten the knack for it, even using the braid

another issue is you're not supposed to set the iron to too high of a temp when desoldering keyboard components because you might end up melting the plastic bits of them

at least, i had trouble desoldering using the braid at 300 F

[unkempt dome]

Sucker help

[soft kiln]

i need to get better soldering iron

[fading salmon]

I normally run my iron at 550F, but I'm not normally near plastics either...

[unkempt dome]

Pump I mean

[ivory ingot]

yeah, i should probably get a better one, apparently silicone tip ones exist

[ivory ingot]

i've got a TS100 which has served me incredibly well

the TS100 and TS80 can be run off of a high output power bank which is super handy

TS100 uses a barrel connector to power it whereas the TS80 uses a type-c connector

[fading salmon]

I'm not seeing anything (on Amazon at least) that's really any better than the set I already found, but I don't have to order them this second, because it's just Amazon and there's always more there.

[soft kiln]

iv seen those

[ivory ingot]

there's also the Pinecil which is way cheaper, is similar to the TS100/80, but it's also shipped from China so it'll take a hot minute to arrive

[soft kiln]

was looking at the JBC CD-2BE its pretty expensive but its pretty decent

[ivory ingot]

oooo wait i think we have those at work

i've used it once or twice, it's great

[fading salmon]

So it's probably worth the extra $19.50 to get the expedited shipping from ymdkey?

[ivory ingot]

imo yes

[soft kiln]

been through enough cheep china ones KEK

[ivory ingot]

fair enough

[fading salmon]

Alright, I'll go for that then. That's only about 2 hours of wages for me anyways, so it's not that bad.

[soft kiln]

JBC CD-2BE is about 500$

[ivory ingot]

o o f

[soft kiln]

oh dam they make one with auto feed for the solder

[ivory ingot]

ok that's dope

[soft kiln]

the price not so much

[urban glade]

Engineer ss02 so good

[ivory ingot]

ye that's the one i was looking at actually

[urban glade]

Get it

[ivory ingot]

soon tm

[boreal rivet]

The fx888d is all you'll ever need for keyboards

[fading salmon]

This is probably the wrong place to ask (being that it's literally titled "keyboards" and my question is about a mouse), but y'all were so darn helpful and nice that I figure I can't go wrong:

Any recommendations for a relatively normal wired (USB) mouse? I don't need any RGB, on-the-fly adjustable DPI, haptic feedback, or anything like that, just known, proven, and trusted good build quality, along with left-click, right-click, maybe 2-3 extra buttons, and a scroll wheel that both scrolls and clicks for middle-click purposes. I've tried just scrolling around on Amazon looking, but all I can find is mice that are either just plain crap, weird "ergonomic" designs, super expensive for no reason, or super expensive because they're loaded with "gamer" features that I don't want or need. Hence I'm turning to y'all again asking for advice...

[urban glade]

im cheap so i use cheap chinese solder station lol

[boreal rivet]

I used to use a Chinese iron too

[potent void]

any sort of budget?

[fading salmon]

Looking for the best value, but I'm willing to pay a bit extra for quality. I mean, I'm ending up spending what will probably be close to $240 on a keyboard, so the mouse has got to be worth doing right too...

[potent void]

i see

okay well

its not wired, but its a great mouse. the MX Master. if you can find a 2S or original version somewhere i think those are pretty good too. they have everything you asked for minus wired. but you can always plug them in

MX master 3 goes for $100

2S goes for $60 on amazon

[fading salmon]

I understand from reading reviews of it that you can use it while charging, but does it also communicate over the charging cable (assume that I don't have the little USB reciever with me for some reason and that the computer I want to use it with doesn't have bluetooth)? Also, how is the charging cable/port in terms of durability and remaining connected if it is always used while plugged in?

[unkempt dome]

a plain looking mouse is the g203 ... does the job well for cheap specially when on sale

I have the xtrfy m42 and love it ... I have it in retro color and it's available in different color scheme too so you might want to take a look at that one

also the m42 doesn't have any software, everything is on the hardware side

[near pewter]

@gilded gyro if gaterons are so much better than cherry mx, why tf are cherry mx keyboards so hyped

[potent void]

if i remember correctly it will work wired. the first gens use Micro USB and the 3 uses type c. i think type c will last a little longer but they should both be alright. my mx master 1 is having issues with that i think but its an old mouse now. if you just leave it plugged in all the time you shouldn't have to worry

[ionic island]

is switch film worth it

[fading salmon]

That's a little more my speed, honestly. No offense meant whatsoever @potent void , but I'm kind-of a wired-peripheral guy, and the g203 seems to be a much better fit for both my needs and budget than a MX Master 2S or MX Master 3. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the MX Master ones are both amazing mice, but the extra features they have aren't worth the increased price tag to me at this point.

[potent void]

oh alright. i thought they were pretty simple enough but yeah i get it

[fading salmon]

I can see one point for the Master in my use-case (I've got a PC and a Mac both at my desk that I want to be able to operate), but I am going to have to move my chair and swap my hands over to a different keyboard anyways, so I can just put the G203 on my PC and my old Microsoft mouse on my iMac and switch between them along with the keyboard and chair movement.

[fading salmon]

The extra features I'm referring to are the triple-mode operation (wired, dongle, and bluetooth), as well as the multi-device seamless connectivity.

Otherwise I agree, they're both relatively simple mice.

[potent void]

oh, yeah, forgot about that

[fading salmon]

So is getting one for $30.99 before tax a "good sale", or should I look further for other retailers to see what they might have in terms of sales?

[unkempt dome]

I don't know the price in the US ...

[fading salmon]

Oh, right, I keep forgetting that I might be talking to people outside the US. Sorry...

[unkempt dome]

here it's 40$ normal price ... lowest I've seen it is 25$ cad

[potent void]

$32 is probably alright then

Relatively cheap mouse either way

[fading salmon]

I'm used to only talking to my online college friends that are all NY/PA based, so I forget the broader internet's increased scope sometimes.

[potent void]

its also $40 here but its sold out atm

im in the US

[fading salmon]

I mean, it's more expensive than the free-to-me old Microsoft one I've got now that I "borrowed" from my Dad's ancient hardware stash.

I've been using that one so long that I've worn the texture smooth on the beige plastic.

[potent void]

well anything is more expensive if you are coming from something free

damn thats gotten some use

[fading salmon]

Yep, it's been my daily-driver for about 6 years, wasn't lightly used even when I got it, and it's just ABS, so it's melted a bit from hand-oils.

Is the g203 rubber-coated or just bare plastic?

[unkempt dome]

bare plastic

I think ...

if I remember correctly

[fading salmon]

Good, I don't want to deal with a rubber coating's increased cleaning difficulty or the risk down the road of it becoming sticky/degraded like Dad's 3dconnexion modeling orbit controller has (another thing I absconded from his unused hardware collection with, but it's so gross with decayed sticky rubber that I rarely use it).

Anybody know any good ways to fix/reverse rubber decay like that?

[unkempt dome]

rip it off and replace it with grip tape maybe ...

[fading salmon]

It's molded/bonded to the knob, I don't think there's a way to take it off without chemically melting it away (if there's even a way to do that without melting the ABS of the knob as well.

Huh. Apparently just isopropyl or denatured alcohol will take the rubber coating off (https://www.instructables.com/How-to-Clean-Sticky-Rubber/). I wonder how it'll work on the knob, the rubber's really thick and I think it's actually molded in instead of just applied as a coating...

[near pewter]

How bad is the latency on keychron K10?

Can I use it as wired?

[potent void]

in my experience with the K2, it has a low latency. and yes it works wired

[fiery vale]

@urban glade How does the rollover work with mechanical keyboards? With that it's just the USB connector interfering with it, right?

[gentle bronze]

this chat is just one answer for every question, go into crippling debt and buy a custom built KeyCult with your favourite switches probably a franken switch with each component from a different expensive switch and buy a gmk set after market of course just for the extra price, then spend 1 day building it, like jeez it's soo easy.

[fiery vale]

It's not, though

[urban glade]

Diodes connecting switches in matrix
Can figure out which msg pressed by which row and column are activated

Usb natively supports 6kro (5 on macos, the sixth input is reserved for fn key actually)

Funny stuff I don’t understand is done for full nkro on usb, ps/2 natively supports full nkro

[fiery vale]

I intended to use PS/2.

So that's good to hear.

[urban glade]

Why lol

Ps/2 based but still

[fiery vale]

Why not?

Any drawbacks?

[hoary trail]

^ +
The Onboard MCU registers each keypress in an isolated context meaning each pressing one key would not interfere with the detection of another keypress

[urban glade]

Based tbf

[fiery vale]

based?

[urban glade]

Drawback is no hotplug reprogramming etc

[fiery vale]

I don't need those

[urban glade]

Fair

That’s the logic with which I’ve used ps/2 for a while

[fiery vale]

I got that G80 for 12 bucks btw

I am so happy

[urban glade]

But with moving to laptop+desktop soon, being able to plug everything into monitor kvm is desirable

[fiery vale]

Yeah

[hoary trail]

The Drawback is that Modern boards dont really handle PS/2 quite the way you might think

[fiery vale]

It's a Z170 ASUS Ranger, I don't know if that counts as old by now

But I am typing on a PS/2 keyboard right now and it is working fine

[hoary trail]

Modern meaning down to Intel Core Series 2nd gen

[fiery vale]

Sandy Bridge was really good.

[hoary trail]

yeah its not a drawback per-se but more like there is no actual gain to using PS/2 Anymore over USB

[urban glade]

My fx system still has it detected as “standard ps/2 keyboard” fwiw

[hoary trail]

The PS/2 Port is handled by the Super I/O Chip onboard the Motherboard which is connected to the PCH over the LPC Bus

[urban glade]

The benefit for me for a while with ps/2 was laziness tbh

[hoary trail]

The Super I/O Chips actually translate the PS/2 Interrupts now into a USB Polling

[urban glade]

Almost all my kbds (custom and oem) are ps/2 so it’s easier to just use that and not worry about converting

[fiery vale]

So it's going from USB to PS/2 to USB

[hoary trail]

Well more like PS/2 to USB

[fiery vale]

The G80-3000 I am planning on using is USB.

[hoary trail]

Heh heres a fun one

This is a laptop, the Keyboard and Mouse use I2C Communication

It is converted into PS/2 and HID Compliant (USB Style)

[urban glade]

Cool to see

[hoary trail]

Inside the BIOS, I can actually turn off PS/2 Exposure of the I2C HID's or Turn off HID-Compliant and leave PS/2 On of the I2c HIDs

[urban glade]

I converted ps/2 custom kbd to usb last night

Just waiting on friend to try flashing it to see if it works

Yawn

[hoary trail]

PS/2 Does come in handy when you have Console Interface

Like... Windows Emergency Mode using the COM (RS-232) Port

[urban glade]

Ps/2 did come in handy when I was having issues with a usb device locking up all usb devices

[fiery vale]

So the benefit is the console thingy but nothing else?

[urban glade]

Could still use my kbd fine while all usb devices wouldn’t work

[hoary trail]

Native n-key rollover too although its easy enough to implement NKRO over USB

[fiery vale]

Then I might still just use PS/2

[urban glade]

Is it a ps/2 kbd

[fiery vale]

Just to be able to faceroll over my keyboard

[urban glade]

Oh it’s the g80

Right?

[fiery vale]

G80-3000 LPCDE

Should arrive next week

Thank you Ebay

[urban glade]

May as well

Nice

[fiery vale]

Btw

That guy that sold these

Had 9 of them

[urban glade]

Lmao

[fiery vale]

One even sold for 4 bucks

But I fucked up the timing, thinking that all of them end at 8

So now I spent 12 bucks

Well

Still a bloody bargain

Could've gone for the Mitsumi KKR E99

[urban glade]

Cherry boards good

[fiery vale]

But I bottom out

So that board was out

[urban glade]

I rly want early battleshipppp

[fiery vale]

heh

[urban glade]

2000 style case rly beautiful

[fiery vale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nNqdMuP15E

How about this?

[urban glade]

https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?t=22155