peripherals

[bitter oar]

otherwise the plastics will separate

it’s cheaper to master the cooling process than making a chemical mixture in this instance

my point is saying that pbt is abs is misleading even with the subcontext of doubleshot keycaps as whole abs keycaps are well, abs and abs + pbt are usually abs for the stem + inner layer and pbt for the outer (the one you touch)

@flat dock pbt and abs polymers are physically incompatible

[young spoke]

just use gmk caps

just spend £120 on gmks

[bitter oar]

meh

a $10 pbt set will be plentiful for most

[young spoke]

disagree

i doubt keycaps just breaking is plentiful for most people

[bitter oar]

well, that’s just your opinion, factually what i’m saying is right

[bitter oar]

i’ve had a lot of those cheap sets, none of them broke

[young spoke]

no it isnt

[bitter oar]

actually, keycaps that broke were from gamer boards

like bloody 820r iirc

the stems cracked

[young spoke]

i bought a £10 attack shark pbt set and within 3 days like 8 keys broke

[young spoke]

same issue i had

never had another keycap from a different set break btw

[bitter oar]

well, then buy another one from a different brand

you just got unlucky

there are also people being unlucky with gmk

[young spoke]

i dont think luck was involved

[bitter oar]

you can buy 5-8 sets for a price of a $120 gmk set

[young spoke]

the keycaps were just shit

[bitter oar]

buy from a different brand or a diff model

[young spoke]

like?

aifei v3 sets have been fine so far tbf

[bitter oar]

i try random aliexpress keycaps and all of them have been fine

if i would be picky okay, some of them are slightly warped, about a degree, but i gotta look for it hard

one keycap from all of my sets (A key) wobbles, fixed it by putting some cloth inside the stem hole

minor printing errors that again don’t matter for daily use

letters are still 99.98% intact

i get these defects about 1 in 3 sets

[flat dock]

I couldnt really find any sources either way. Layering does make more sense than mixing them in a mixture. So what are they doing, are some sets making the legends in pbt with the rest of the key in abs just to get the marketing keywords?

It doesn't explain why it'd sometimes wear faster than pure abs

[bitter oar]

if it’s doubleshot with the abs being the inner layer and pbt being outer then the letters tend to be the inner layer (abs) otherwise it’s a doubleshot subdye or something else in the worse case which is then just marketing

[bitter oar]

we would need someone to test the keycaps in lab conditions

your pbt keycaps can wear faster than abs keycaps just by having around more dust with sweat for example and you rubbing your fingers on the keycaps more

altough i don’t deny manufacturers lying about their keycaps being pbt despite using inferior materials instead (when it comes to durability)

[young spoke]

how expensive actually is pbt though

like why do they lie

[bitter oar]

i think the pellets are about on-par with abs prices

[bitter oar]

abs is cheaper to mold

[young spoke]

this honestly goes for any keycaps

like it cant be that expensive to make a set of gmks

[bitter oar]

it isn’t

[young spoke]

exactly

[bitter oar]

it’s more about paying the artists

[young spoke]

an artist was involved in making a basic black set?

[bitter oar]

btw pbt and abs chemical bonds can weaken from hydrolisys, so it’s not just abrasion and shifting to blame

[flat dock]

nah its definitely something because the stock keycaps on my rainy75 shined within a few weeks, I have gmk keycaps on here for about as long and they're still basically new

anyone got a mass spectrometer I can use

[flat dock]

plus my friend had some pbtfans keycap set that started shining super fast too so it's apparently not rare

[bitter oar]

strange

maybe the set has more micro pores that are hard to clean?

@flat dock what did he use to clean the keycaps?

[flat dock]

I don't think he cleaned them ever. I didn't clean mine because they weren't even remotely dirty since it was just a few weeks

[bitter oar]

so it’s just grease

[flat dock]

No

[bitter oar]

he didn’t clean them…

even my keycaps get shine when i touch them with greasy fingers

[flat dock]

I don't ever use my keyboard with greasy fingers

[bitter oar]

i just clean it with ipa and/or water and the shine’s gone

[young spoke]

ipa??

you're meant to drink ipa mate

[bitter oar]

if you use your peripherals for more than few hours you have something called sweat

[flat dock]

I don't know, I haven't really ever had a layer of grease build up on keycaps

[bitter oar]

btw ipa can be damaging to some plastics

[young spoke]

what type of ipa

[bitter oar]

i have cleaned my vxe r1 few times with ipa and i can feel there is less of that rubbery coating and the logo is fading

[bitter oar]

isopropyl alcohol

[young spoke]

oh

i thought bro was talking about ipa drinks

[bitter oar]

yummy

drink 0.3l of ipa and see what happens 💀 ⚰️

[flat dock]

It certainly wouldn't be in the span of weeks

Maybe a few years I could see that but it didn't happen on my old keyboards

[bitter oar]

just try to clean the shine first and then decide whenever it’s permanent or not

pbt doesn’t turn shiny from shifting and abrasion from regular use within a month

that’s a short time even for a really porous/shitty abs plastic

[worldly garden]

you didint

[young spoke]

i never said i did

[flat dock]

do as he says not as he does

should've gotten the novelkeys or omnitype sales where you could get gmk cyl for like $60-70

[worldly garden]

u said "just spend $120 on gmk" ??

lol

where is your agar

[young spoke]

yeah

[young spoke]

do it

spend $120 on gmks

[worldly garden]

i spent way more back then my friend

cehck out my new keyboard

.

mx black

@charred plank

you too

this one is stock

all i did was spring swap

[fervent breach]

@worldly garden bad part of steel plate

look how dirty it looks lol

cause it was not rust treated

[worldly garden]

People use steel on topre ?

[fervent breach]

it’s oem

on realforce

i think on leopold too

[worldly garden]

Yeah mine is dirty if indont clean it for a while

Whatever kind is

[fervent breach]

that’s after cleaning

[worldly garden]

That thing iss coooked

Imo the paint is washed ?

[fervent breach]

i mean it’s like 15 years of no rust treatment

i think it has held up alright

im not gonna rust treat it though

i dont really care

[worldly garden]

Purple sliders

😋

Im still looking for my first topre

U got anythings i should try

Merci or xianyu works

But xy preffered

[fervent breach]

silent realforce and lube it

pretty much endgame silent topre

[worldly garden]

Sho s60

😁

[fervent breach]

i mean u can always get a norbaforce or some shit

but it doesn’t get much better idk

[fervent breach]

Expensive

[worldly garden]

No i aint buying norby yet

I just s0ent some hard budget on a mx

So

Give me some good starter

[fervent breach]

hhkb pro 2

will be underwhelming for u tho

probably

[worldly garden]

Hmm can u seek for those on your merci marketplace thing

Xianyu is even better

[flat dock]

@bitter oar i washed the d key on the rainy 75 stock double shot pbt keycaps and theyre still exactly as shiny as before

[fervent breach]

xianyu i only use for Some boards

i can’t really tell u what boards because idk myself

[worldly garden]

Is fine

[fervent breach]

if i think it’d be better on xianyu i go to xianyu

[flat dock]

and i can still feel the legend sticking out like before

[worldly garden]

As i said im starting th8s so any works

Just dont make me do c9mplicated mods

And a fair fair budget like sub100

[fervent breach]

Design a pcb

[worldly garden]

Thats not domething i cant do

[flat dock]

it actually feels like it got shinier after i used dish soap

[fervent breach]

i mean u can probably find a cute pro 2 on mercari for sub 100

[flat dock]

maybe it's because i'm being critical

[fervent breach]

Try lubing i

t

[fervent breach]

moist critical

[flat dock]

no i want it to be less shiny

but it doesn't matter

[worldly garden]

That keycap is

Is not fancy thing let it be

Mmm DCS

[flat dock]

it shines significantly faster than my gmk set

[fervent breach]

hipro best keycaps

[fervent breach]

embrace the shine bro

[worldly garden]

Chinesium

Dont mind my shirt kekw

[flat dock]

can't embrace it if it shines so fast it isnt even a sign of love

[fervent breach]

buy new keycap

[flat dock]

id be ok if it shined after like a year of daily use

[fervent breach]

I’ve never seen shined pbt

well i have

but only on boards used for like 10 years

[flat dock]

i'm telling you this has to be like fake pbt or something

krum had that with his pbtfans keycaps as wlel

and pbtfans isnt cheap

[fervent breach]

report them to the appropriate authorities

[flat dock]

look at that d key

the right of the e

this actually does not come across well on sdr wow

[fervent breach]

what ru typing with d in it so much

right strafe god

[flat dock]

that's where fingers rest the most i think

this keyboard has received almost no gaming

[fervent breach]

my realforce has become the main victim

causesilenced topre is just so good for gaming

noise wise

[flat dock]

clacky spacebars are amazing though

as long as not too loud. the outemu pear is too loud and i might need a better spacebar

[fervent breach]

it distracts me when my keys are too loud lol

idk why but i am really sensitive to distractions

might just be a minecraft pvp thing

[flat dock]

i think you have a skill issue

[fervent breach]

Im not usually i am just really bad if i get distracted

[fervent breach]

no bro i am actually very good at the game

i mean i would call myself lt3 at least

[flat dock]

^ copium

[fervent breach]

No bro i am never distracted

that is not an excuse for being bad

[worldly garden]

Buy mtnu for good 0bt

[flat dock]

i wanna try mtnu because the profile looks like it'd be pretty comfy

[bitter oar]

Maybe it's lower quality, more porous idk

@flat dock

"pbt" set from irok mg75
Shows a little bit of shine

the letter S only

even after ipa, water cleaning

[worldly garden]

Wwhy u rolling it around

[bitter oar]

so you can see

[pulsar crystal]

as someone who has never done it, how easy is it to configure qmk/via for different software

for context, i want to get a macropad to use with the drawing software rebelle

[fathom hawk]

hi im looking to upgrade my monitor i currently have a 1080 240hz monitor don't play fps games as much and i need it to be like 1000 aud or under

[worldly garden]

Just buy any generic 4k and higher res

Like pro art asus

[main narwhal]

wym

like have a seperate keymap just for rebelle?

[pulsar crystal]

Yeah basically have a separate macro setup for rebelle

[main narwhal]

so the way i would do it

drop the layout you want to use on a seperate layer

and have a combo to get to that layer

does that make sense?

[pulsar crystal]

kind of, i can almost feel my brain growing a neuron trying to bridge the connection

[main narwhal]

yeah you can do this

how complicated are the macros

[worldly garden]

Tkl

[fervent breach]

u should get a keyboard cover and a hhkb and put the keyboard cover on the thinkpad and the hhkb on top

and be awesome

[worldly garden]

Seeking hhkb's rn

[young spoke]

does bro not have shoes on

[worldly garden]

is an adiform superstar mule

basically a sandal

[young spoke]

wild

also why are the arrows missing

and why is there just some random screwbits there

[worldly garden]

because im wasnt finished

i just built it ?

[young spoke]

like theres so many questions

why is the mouse on the wrong side

[worldly garden]

because im not working with my computer

[young spoke]

wacky ass setup

[worldly garden]

worth more than your a70 tho, lol

[young spoke]

sure vro

[worldly garden]

and i was out for a cup of coffee

@fervent breach https://github.com/ojthetiny/OpenTKL/tree/main

might help you

[fervent breach]

shouldve called it libtkl

[arctic marlin]

is a redragon m916 pro wireless mouse good? i would buy a g305 again but i cba to wait till saturday for the delivery

[pearl temple]

Honestly I won't suggest going with either of those. G305 is more reliable but double click issue.

[arctic marlin]

i didnt have any issues with it until i broke my right click

[pearl temple]

It's not like everyone would face it but it's been quite a known issue which a lot of users have faced

Why not go with Mchose G7

[arctic marlin]

unavailable

Imma just go with this

[prime pivot]

i want a keyboard that’s good for gaming and productivity, preferably 75%, and £150 or less, any recommendations?

[young spoke]

bridge75 is alright

or a rainy75 is you can find it £150

[flat dock]

rainy75 kinda sucks

it's built like shit, plate way too flexible, you need "malware" to update firmware, not very customizable

bridge75 I have no idea but I've heard people say it's decent

[void geyser]

damn atleast put warnings for th*nkpad

[young spoke]

dang

all of those are personal preference btw

also i doubt it’s built that terribly

[bitter oar]

what's malware about the software or firmware?

[flat dock]

that it's weird chinese software sent via a support email instead of just a regular firwmare binary that you can flash with qmk cli

[bitter oar]

ok, what's malware abt that

[flat dock]

that's why i said malware in quotes

[bitter oar]

you don't call software you don't know malware in quotes

[flat dock]

i mean that it's just fairly suspicious

doesn't exactly make you feel super safe when trying to update your keyboard...

[bitter oar]

i mean, so are 90% of applications on the internet

[flat dock]

i don't know what you do on the internet but i certainly don't run suspicious programs 90% of the time

[bitter oar]

games on steam can contain malware for example, you don't call 90% of steam games malware because the community hasn't checked all the files/code

[flat dock]

that is correct

[bitter oar]

there are a TON of steam games

[flat dock]

i guess if downloading an executable that you can only get via email and is only in chinese, that for some reason needs to be run on your windows computer instead of just being flashable via common software, is not suspcious to you then you would be fine

[bitter oar]

tbh doesn't have to be just exe

also, those are the easier ones for windows defender or other antis to detect

how quick was it to update the firmware through their sus exe app?

i don't think them as a company would be wise to install malware on customer devices

it would essentially ruin their business if it'd be revealed

[flat dock]

funny enough i think it might not, because they could just come back under a different name

[bitter oar]

you don't often see malware pre-installed or recommended by customer support on branded commodities

[bitter oar]

if you're a medium-sized business that would cost them big losses

[flat dock]

really getting anything via email should set off red flags

[bitter oar]

they contacted you or did you contact them via email

at first

@flat dock your keyboard can come pre-installed with malware that executes on the go on your pc, yes it's better to worry than be sorry but it's unlikely.

you don't know for what they sent you their software instead of guiding you how to flash qmk, maybe they thought it was simpler for them to just send you the software

or simpler for you

[flat dock]

that is a narrower vector though and kinda depends on guessing the operating system correctly so you know what keybinds you can do to launch commands...

[bitter oar]

anyways, if they would want to spread malware i believe there are more efficient ways than sending you a file through an email support that's listed in their business

[prime pivot]

why should i get the bridge75 over the apex pro tkl?

[flat dock]

It's not about being universally scared of any sort of executable code existing on anything.. it's the amount of risk level with each individual given thing

[flat dock]

I don't think it should be normalized to do that though

[young spoke]

because the apex pro tkl is utter dogshit

[flat dock]

That's why I list it as a negative, it shouldn't be normal even if not likely

[young spoke]

it’s barely worth £40 on the used market for a reason

[prime pivot]

why do so many professional gamers use them?

[young spoke]

marketing

[prime pivot]

lol

[young spoke]

the same reason people use wooting boards unironically

[prime pivot]

lol fe

[young spoke]

if you want a hall effect switch i’d go for a keychron k1 he i suppose

[prime pivot]

i’m still debating on the g pro x superlight 2 or the razer viper v3 pro?

[bitter oar]

i agree, but they did help you in the end no?

[flat dock]

looking at gamers who have been sponsored by companies to have their hardware isn't really the best way to get buyers advice

[young spoke]

ask @fiery sail about the wooting 60he

[flat dock]

I don't see how that's relevant? It still shouldn't be normal to send firmware executables that must run on your computer to install via email

[young spoke]

i have no clue about mice

[bitter oar]

if you look at razer, the amount of telemetry they'd love to collect from you is insane

[young spoke]

i still use a redragon m913 in 2025

[prime pivot]

?

[flat dock]

it's why I like qmk and via

[bitter oar]

data collection

[prime pivot]

ok

[young spoke]

i can’t look at telemetry and not think of the time i nearly broke my pc by saving a 24 hour races worth of telemetry

it was literally 380gb worth of telemetry data

[bitter oar]

like tf a peripheral has to collect so much data, ideally sensitive ones too when i already pay $120 for their mid-high end keyboard

[young spoke]

real

[flat dock]

speaking of telemetry, I should keylog myself for a week. To figure out the amount of each key I press so I can shuffle switches to wear them evenly

[bitter oar]

it is relevant that the software has successfully flashed your fw

if no antiviruses tripped during anything and you can't find anything backdoor'ish in the code uhhh i mean it's acceptable

[flat dock]

I don't really see how

• the concern is about the vector used and how that could be dangerous
• it could still flash the firmware but also install malware (not that I am saying that happened! but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be cautious on the internet

[flat dock]

Reverse engineering is pretty time consuming and complicated

[bitter oar]

it is just unlikely that the software contains malware in the first place, even less likely it bypasses antimalware, there is a greater odd your sensitive data get breached this week

why don't you call half of us companies "malware" sellers when they secure/handle user data mostly uncarelessly

yes, the companies are "legit" but in the end da hackers get your data

[flat dock]

That's good advice if you use it to choose what you dedicate your time to security-wise but not good if you use it to dismiss a concern about malware safety

[flat dock]

well I do but that seems to be a less popular take so I don't go around saying it

keyboard telemetry is terrible no matter if it's Chinese or not

[bitter oar]

i'm not dismissing malware safety nor wish it

but if your priorities are security and privacy you should look up not just malware you download from a random dude

also, open source does not mean safe, there have been many instances of devs including malware in open source ware

but it's ofc more visible

one of the devs of qmk/via could go nuts, just says, it's extremely unlikely but it could happen

and post a latest version of it on git, their site

[flat dock]

no, but that wasn't the reasoning I was using. For example, it's safer to choose something used by millions and with thousands of contributors looking at its code, than one random guy's keyboard tool

Just because you can't be certain of either one doesn't mean that there isn't a difference in the level of risk

[bitter oar]

i mean, if you look at source available minecraft clients/launchers that have been used by hundreds of thousands if not few millions there have been devs that tried to pull off some hmmm stuff

in the past

[bitter oar]

how high do you think the risk is? in %

compared to a dev of a large open source project going nuts

[flat dock]

I don't really know how I would faithfully guess that

[bitter oar]

just list your odds

[flat dock]

are you saying it's more likely for an open source dev to go nuts than a Chinese company?

[bitter oar]

we don't have statistics for that so, it's unanswered

can you say there is more malware coming from china than other countries?

like the us

[flat dock]

I think it's getting way off track of what I was talking about originally

[void geyser]

need to wash my hands after touching this disgusting fucking board

[bitter oar]

i mean, you mentioned level of risk which is still relevant

[flat dock]

was it that dirty

[flat dock]

It doesn't mean I have an actual exact percentage probability of "will qmk be compromised this year" versus "can this executable emailed to me contain malware"

If I did then I would be betting on polymarket

[void geyser]

no I just hate topre

[flat dock]

damn

[void geyser]

specially the HHKB of all things

I think it's the worst lowest quality implementation of it

[flat dock]

I need a realforce...

although I like the hhkb for the layout

I am seeing how it feels

[void geyser]

real force is okay, If i liked topre I would recommend that

[void geyser]

bad... the whole thing is bad ABS plastic 😭

[flat dock]

I meant the layout how it feels

I have a 2017 hhkb

I really hate the keycap profile to be honest

[void geyser]

feel wise, it's alright for me

I like split backspace and split right shift because of it now

[void geyser]

you can get mx sliders for it but yeah i agree

[flat dock]

I feel like I hit the sides of other keys too much. Maybe has to do with long travel as well

[void geyser]

but then again I don't like cherry profile either

[flat dock]

cherry profile is good to me

[void geyser]

I'd rather have a nice SA or something equally tall

[flat dock]

it seems like hhkb is a weirdly sculpted cherry

[void geyser]

mt3/ akko ASA / SAL/ KAT

JDA as well

[void geyser]

if you want a mind melter, try them cubic profile ones

[flat dock]

I swear if it shows a bunch of Minecraft block keycaps when I look this up

[void geyser]

not my pic but I've got on my c7 and it's acc really really really good

[flat dock]

Interesting

[void geyser]

you're getting gigachad taihao quality too

I like taihao

[flat dock]

What is taihao

are they good

[void geyser]

they've been around since the 90s as keycap manufacturers in taiwan

apparenyl even before that!

https://www.tai-hao.com/about/index.php?index_id=21

[bitter oar]

yeah, so it's unfair to call it a malware in quotes... there is no proof of malicious code being on it, firstly windows defender, if you have other antiviruses haven't detected anything and they tend to filter 95% of malware, then consider legitimate interest makes probably about 95% of chinese companie if you divide those numbers you get very, very roughly estimate of like 0.01% that the thing you receive is malware and managed to bypass antiviruses

similar thing with us companies, you should even question what microsoft employees want you to use to active your windows license

[void geyser]

is this for the rainy75?

I mean the thing is via compatible, why tf would you need a dedicated software for it

[bitter oar]

some of them allegedly encouraged/guided people to download/use cracks

[flat dock]

Firmware update executable

[void geyser]

for what?

[bitter oar]

rainy75

[void geyser]

no i mean why would you need to update the firmware from the stock one it comes with

[bitter oar]

@flat dock contacted them for support

[flat dock]

There was something broken, I forget

I mean obviously firmware should always be up to date but that was the root cause

[void geyser]

also, it's common for alot chinese boards to have an exe for flashing like for feker because users are idiots and there's a high chance they will bork their stuff

[flat dock]

you can do qmk CLI though

[bitter oar]

i'm explaining to him that he shouldn't call them malware in quotes by default

because the risk is low

[void geyser]

do you think the average joe schmuck would bother with installing QMK

[bitter oar]

it is there ofc

[flat dock]

the difference is you'd download something well known rather than from a random vendor

[bitter oar]

i guess it depends on a person what is a low or high risk what could be malware

[void geyser]

it's basically similar to QMK flasher with a different and automated wrapper anyways

[bitter oar]

even well known vendors pull shit all the time

[flat dock]

we're just going in circles man

[bitter oar]

i mean that is

[void geyser]

yeah that's fair

to me, it's nothing out of the ordinary, if it's acting up I can easily see what it's doing using monitoring tools

[flat dock]

if it's acting out it's time to get out the holy water

[bitter oar]

format disk heheh

explode

[void geyser]

if you want something problematic, look at irok LMAO

[flat dock]

oh I just can't read

[void geyser]

now them, I wouldn't trust

[bitter oar]

what happened to irok

[void geyser]

irok has been known to actually contain trojan

https://www.reddit.com/r/BudgetKeebs/comments/112jj0h/psa_after_seeing_the_great_prices_for_the_irok/

i mean its badmark... but still

[worldly garden]

telling ya im a big fan

[bitter oar]

interesting

[void geyser]

i mean besides viruses I just ahte installing softrware

I don't want any more of them

as long as they're via compatibel they should be okay

[worldly garden]

sounds like synapse to me

[bitter oar]

yeah

i assume it's not intentional or due to negligence their software has likely backdoors that could be abused, but i didn't know they harvest data and send it to alibaba... disappointing

[worldly garden]

just dont use chinesium

whats board you are using @bitter oar

[bitter oar]

currently the irok lol

[worldly garden]

your loss

@bitter oar buy those from me

[bitter oar]

i've quit the hobby

[worldly garden]

lol bored of all your chinesium ?

[bitter oar]

mostly happy with the boards i have now

[fresh pawn]

i want a new monitor for my macbook however i also wanna be able to play on my pc and it can only do 1080p. However 1080 looks kinda shiz on mac os any suggestions?

[bitter oar]

i'm more focusing on pc hardware itself, and niches like testing thermal putties on gpu cores, i've started investing (basicly swapped a money draining hobby for with different polarity)

yeah, i've gotten tired of keyboards, there's not that much going around it

well, not true... you can make a lot around keyboards

[worldly garden]

geekhack dot org find new stuff there

[bitter oar]

it's just diminishing returns

idk how to explain it

[worldly garden]

i have already told you and you wont listen but you should reorganized your inventory and get smth higher end/actually good

[bitter oar]

i’ve been to a friend that had the good stuff

certainly weren’t boring keyboards but i didn’t see much interest in them as they were well, expensive

and i wouldn’t say the experience scaled with the price

[worldly garden]

good stuff such as ?

[bitter oar]

your beloved topre,

[worldly garden]

thats 5qr1

i have never had a topre

[bitter oar]

i believe he had also some epoch and…

[worldly garden]

jelly epoch ?

dude bought an overpriced foamboard

[bitter oar]

yes

[worldly garden]

im doubtful hís keyboard is expensive, not really good...

he got any keyboard without foam to sound good

[bitter oar]

honestly i like foamy keyboards so maybe that’s why i can’t recall any non foamy ones, gimme sec

[worldly garden]

Ehh....

[bitter oar]

jjw moment

[worldly garden]

U foamed up a jjw board ?

😐

[bitter oar]

not me, atleast i think it wasn’t

[worldly garden]

Buy a matrix

[worldly garden]

No shilling tho but these are solid foamy boards

[bitter oar]

like pcb?

[worldly garden]

The board

[bitter oar]

yeah, thanks but i ended with the hobby as i said, i’ll now mostly just give people direction what to consider when buying

[worldly garden]

Give people shit holes again icic

Yawn

Nut65 is really fine

Im surprised

[bitter oar]

i try to not give direct recommendations, though i do sometimes

didn’t know irok had such outdated or as that guy described it white label software with backdoors so i’ll not recommend them

[bitter oar]

what about other weikav boards?

[worldly garden]

Better than lucky

Even tho is 1.2 fc

But is stiff mounted

Stiffiest gasket i have seen on chinesium

Alr order a 1.6 non fc and alu plate

See if it work wo foams

[bitter oar]

i mean it’s subjective foam or not i like foam and gasket mounted, pcb cut-offs, idm that much if it’s neither of those ^ my preference

i don’t think most people do mind or hate the things i listed above

[bitter oar]

yeah nice

[void geyser]

@worldly garden

so I may or may not have bought a corsa....

[bitter oar]

good price

[flat dock]

@young spoke it's a corsa

3.0L I6 corsa frfr

[void geyser]

insane fucking good price

i've already got ppl asking if I get bored of it they wanna buy it 😭

https://tenor.com/view/xxiisoul-thanos-gif-23843096

[flat dock]

why is kvetinky's troll react backwards

[void geyser]

meanwhile lee can't sell his corsa

cest la vie baby

[bitter oar]

one of the servers ig put it that way

[bitter oar]

light mode detected 🚨🚨

[void geyser]

I've always used light mode

you know this @bitter oar

rookie moment

it's like 3 am in the UK right now and I'm using light mode

[bitter oar]

banned

[bitter oar]

no, all offenses of light mode should be taken to court

pretty sure your eyes have been filling their proof for months now

[void geyser]

my view right now

[bitter oar]

light mode at 3:30am scary, 1% survival rate, something is watching me, monster, within a forest

100% real

[void geyser]

I always use light mode

because i'm built different

you'll never get it

https://tenor.com/view/you-wouldnt-get-it-joker-smoking-gif-15952801

[bitter oar]

i have to admit to my criminal activity

i’ve been using youtube in light mode too

[void geyser]

ngl, part of the reason I dont' use darkmode is because it reminds me too much of times I don't sleep

like this one

so by using a completely differnt theme and look I avoid that feeling

[bitter oar]

if you don sleep a monsta called disease will come to you and plant stuff in your organs and laugh evilishly

anyways, enough der joking, i gtg have nice midnight @void geyser and rember don’t drink those 15 coffees at 3:30am

[worldly garden]

💀

[worldly garden]

SHILL MINE

Please

[void geyser]

hell no

yours is the lucky65v2

[worldly garden]

Think 6.5 ?

[worldly garden]

I literally bought 3 keyboards last week

[void geyser]

Hahahah fucking wish

[worldly garden]

NEED MONEY

[void geyser]

rookie numbers man

I bought 4 keyboards last week

[worldly garden]

1k obo

[worldly garden]

Dont mind the shirt

[void geyser]

KBparadise V60 type r
Spyder TKL
Filco Majestouch Convertible
Switch couture Alice

And lastly.... Matrix Corsa....

it's one hell of of an expensive fucking week for me

[worldly garden]

Indeed

While shopping spree

Wtb more dcs caps

OG prefered

Im trusting chinesium

[void geyser]

oh we counting keycaps too?

😭

[worldly garden]

2/3 are china board

[void geyser]

we got mika on deck my blud

[worldly garden]

Har har peasants gmk's

Ragebait

[void geyser]

I was offered to buy a dcs reaper and a dcs midnight

but I didn't buy it

why

https://tenor.com/view/mog-statue-mogger-mogging-mewing-gif-4726236665805485045

[worldly garden]

My graph of keycaps

[void geyser]

is that cerakey on the top?

[worldly garden]

Cherry OG, WYSE OG, CRP, SP, KKB

[void geyser]

oh

I was going to say

[worldly garden]

No cerakey mentioned

[void geyser]

there's a kkb LOV that i wanna buy as well

[worldly garden]

Buy

[void geyser]

not right now

I'm going to buy IV works Kanketsu first

[worldly garden]

Job pays s9

Carry on

Kekw

Oh btw man

Ưhy i cant use emojis

[void geyser]

Wdym?

[worldly garden]

I cant choose new emojis

Did u subcribe or shit

[void geyser]

subscribe to what

[flat dock]

why gmk so low

are you vietnamese?

[worldly garden]

yes

i thought u alr know

[flat dock]

no

[worldly garden]

why

they are terrible

[flat dock]

how

[worldly garden]

inconcistient QC

[boreal rivet]

alps electric and FAME not included

[flat dock]

i thought people always praised gmk for having the best qc

[boreal rivet]

disappointing

i thought you were an enthusiast

[worldly garden]

my bad

what is the best starter topre/rf

[flat dock]

none

[boreal rivet]

hello kitty R2 duh

[worldly garden]

because thats only thing they use

[worldly garden]

4000 yuan

are u crazy

thats like 800

[boreal rivet]

huh its only 3000rmb

what are you talking about

[boreal rivet]

your taobao region must be one of the charge foreigners more regions

[fervent breach]

i really wanna cop one of these

they’re so funny

[fervent breach]

realforce 8xU

any r1 tkl really

that is cheap

like 87u

well u could get a 91u if u are a jis enjoyer

[void geyser]

okay I'm back from being absolute 5headed

I regret buying a corsa

why did i buy it

😭

[young spoke]

i’ll buy it for £3

[worldly garden]

300 + shipping

u cant afford it anyway

[young spoke]

counteroffer ¥300 + shipping

[worldly garden]

i only work with your country currency

[young spoke]

ok £1.50

[worldly garden]

send

[young spoke]

send corsa now

[worldly garden]

no ?

[worldly garden]

@void geyser even tho the ori 60 is cool and all i think i have to sell this

cuz

well idk why my hands cant fir intto a 60

[void geyser]

how much did u even buy it for

[worldly garden]

sub 500

[fervent breach]

Trade it for my pro 2 type-s

joking it is serial 184 and the first topre board i lubed

i love him

[void geyser]

@worldly garden

GMK A on the spyder

[void geyser]

get an alice next

[young spoke]

i’ve always wondered what’s the gap between the 2 1.5u alt and control keys

[void geyser]

just metal

it's a WKL layout based on the original model M

space saving model but you ge tth epint

[young spoke]

yeah but how big is the space

it always looks like you can fit a 1u key there

[void geyser]

you can LOL

they take up exactly 1 u

[young spoke]

why didn’t they just slap a key there lmao

[void geyser]

it's mostly a homage to the original TKL

[young spoke]

see that actually makes sense for a layout

[young spoke]

dang

[void geyser]

is it dysfunctional as shit? yeah, but does it feel nice? abso fucking lutely

[young spoke]

how do you do shit like win+e or something on these though

[void geyser]

I bind my windows key under right alt

[young spoke]

that’s goofy

[void geyser]

okay

[young spoke]

i’d do like caps lock i guess

[void geyser]

some people bind theirs in capslock yeah

[young spoke]

caps lock is the worst key ever made anyway

only use it has is binding other better binds to it

[void geyser]

you can bind ctrl to it like HHKB

[young spoke]

yeah

that’s what i do on all my boards anyway

then put cplk on the ctrl key

[void geyser]

your boards can't be reprogramed why you lying

[young spoke]

they can

wdym

except one

[flat dock]

Wish I had that set

[worldly garden]

Clean

[worldly garden]

Same applies to why they have to spipt a spacebar in half

[fervent breach]

Nice norbaforce gocf

[fervent breach]

bro didn’t know what wkl is

[worldly garden]

@void geyser my board sold so quick lol

what to do next... aah get a topre

[fervent breach]

u should lube topre stabs

if u get a topre

[worldly garden]

oh yeah if i have one rn

i cant find anything good in mecari yet

[fervent breach]

noob

dont buy the rf i want from mercari though

i will be sad

[worldly garden]

Which

[void geyser]

Personally I wouldn't bother

[worldly garden]

need smth to bring to college

soi is either a gmk67

or a topre

[void geyser]

Atlas Day Dreamer Tactiles + a solid MX board

[young spoke]

buy haimu sea salt silents

[worldly garden]

Bullshit lol

[young spoke]

what

they’re a good switch innit

[worldly garden]

Haimu in big 25

[void geyser]

haimu

I normally don't hate on switches, but haimu literally is known to disintegrate

[young spoke]

what lmao

[void geyser]

bad quality switches, some releases are good like heart beats

[fervent breach]

waaa i got a bad topre

every topre board is bad now

[void geyser]

Cry harder

it makes me laugh

[young spoke]

never had issues with sea salts

[fervent breach]

ur stupid lol

“cry harder” after i make fun of u for crying

i love stupid people ❤️

[worldly garden]

@fervent breach cop ?

[fervent breach]

252 yuan

holee

cop

i have a pd-kb400wns lol

[flat dock]

This has to be like a block of iron for that price wtf

Give it to me

[worldly garden]

is only keycaps

...

sigh

[flat dock]

Figures

[fervent breach]

noobert

get hello kitty rf

actually don’t get the cheap one i wanted that

[spring dew]

DIY keyboard but you start with a steel block you need to cnc

[placid linden]

I love you Acer official refurbished store

1440p, 180hz, ips, 350nit, 1ms response time

[fervent breach]

norby called

[spring dew]

No clue who that is

[spring dew]

Hell yeah nice

[glossy abyss]

Should i get this

[fervent breach]

no

[fervent breach]

https://norbauer.co

[flat dock]

aka keyboardiphile slop

[fervent breach]

Nope ryan norbauer is the second coming of keyboard god

Bow down to him and sell your house for a seneca

idk what im talking about sorry

[void geyser]

classic

[tall zinc]

I game on my chair most of the time and tend to use a pillow case for my 'mouse pad' but i want to see if I can get something else that would react better to it? The arm chair has fabric and not leather material.

[glossy abyss]

Any other recommendations?

[worldly garden]

A lower chair w mousepad

[flat dock]

mousepad on chair is an interesting config

[ripe dagger]

Hi, I am planning on switching to a wireless headset. Present setup: Razer BlackShark V2 + sound card; Synapse is always on for the Razer Viper V3 Pro. External mic planned in the near future. What should I get?

1 - HyperX Cloud III S Wireless (145$)
2 - Razer BlackShark V3 Non-Pro (200$)
3 - Feel free to recommend any other option but 95% it would not be available to me localy neither can be ordered from anywhere because of my country

For more details, here is my post on the forums: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1622907-hyperx-cloud-iii-s-or-razer-blackshark-v3-non-pro-version-which-should-i-get/#comment-16800633

Thanks for any help!

[fervent breach]

onionblud

[stark pawn]

Hi I’m looking at getting a monitor for my new rig (should have all parts tomorrow)
I currently have an Alienware (idk the model) that’s 1920x1080 @native 240hz

I’d like to look to get an OLED 1440p and I’ve found the one attached.

Questions: is it still worth to get an OLED when there’s mini led ones for cheaper?
Im under the impression that higher hz is better, is this right?

My rig will have:
ryzen 7 9800x3d cpu
Radeon 9070xt gpu
X870 eagle motherboard

I’m not sure if I’d really want a 32” monitor as my 25 is already kinda large and I don’t need the “real estate” or whatever

[bitter oar]

btw may be worth checking aoc oled monitors

[stark pawn]

There’s one for £399

[bitter oar]

ye buy

if you want to save

[stark pawn]

I was just under the impression that asus ROG will hopefully be better quality

There’s an MSI mag for same price as the ROG

[bitter oar]

the aoc is solid, i cannot say confidently if the quality of the asus is worth an extra 100p

the asus is lg’s woled and aoc is samsung’s qd-oled

check which generation of oleds are they the aoc is gen 3 / 2.5 iirc

unsure which gen of woled the asus is

[stark pawn]

The TrueBlack Glossy display coating on the ROG Strix OLED XG27AQDMG Gen 2's WOLED panel

AOC is gen 3

I think MSI says it’s “next gen” whatever that infers

[bitter oar]

the aoc is well calibrated from reviews

i would personally save the few quid and buy the aoc

[stark pawn]

Kk

Consider it bought

There’s a Samsung one

Odyssey G6

[bitter oar]

price?

[stark pawn]

£399

Gen 3

Has a 1ms response AOC has 0.3ms

0.03

[bitter oar]

that’s just marketing ignore

[stark pawn]

Ab okay

[bitter oar]

so it’s an lcd g6

not oled g6

[bitter oar]

manufacturers tend to exaggerate pixel response claims 5x

[stark pawn]

Oh ffs lol apologies

Okay AOC it is

[placid linden]

Anything’s possible with enough asterisks

my favorite saying

[prime pivot]

i still can’t decide between the razer viper v3 pro and the logitech g pro x superlight 2

[bitter oar]

both are overpriced imo

[prime pivot]

idm the price lol, i’m willing to pay £130 for either one

price isn’t and issue for me

[bitter oar]

what do you think about mices made from metallic alloys?

[prime pivot]

idk what that is

[bitter oar]

instead of plastics some chinese manufacturers use magnesium

[prime pivot]

i’ve felt both of them in person and i like the feel of the maybe the logitechs a little more as i prefer the right and left buttons

[prime pivot]

fireworks

🎆

that’s the metal used in them

[prime pivot]

a bit of an unstable metal there 😂

[bitter oar]

yeah… they use alloys

[prime pivot]

anything that’s good for fps comp games

[bitter oar]

not a pure magnesium casing, that would be hmmm i think you’d want to pay an extra for insurance

[bitter oar]

there are ton of paw3395 mices

look for the coating - what people think, skates as well

shell creaking if that bothers you

silent or loud clicks
soft/spammable or hard/tactile clicks

watch for switch grinding that also tends to be common with mice if it bothers you

which grip style you’re using? claw, fingertip, palm or other

you can compare shapes on eloshapes and rtings

what’s your hand size?

[prime pivot]

palm

7.5 inches by 4inches that’s from the thumb

[bitter oar]

wait i’m confused

[prime pivot]

i lick to hear my clicks do loud, i like the clicks on the logitech superlight 2

[prime pivot]

nah not really

[bitter oar]

look up the chinese gpx clones if you don’t mind gpx shape

[prime pivot]

i like the shape of both the viper v3 pro and logitech superlight 2

the only time i go ergonomic is if it for productivity stuff

[bitter oar]

look up aliexpress if it’s available to you

[bitter oar]

ttc has nice switches

anyways, i don’t think it’s necessary to spend £130 on mice in this day and age

i think it would be wise to save like £70 of that budget of more pc storage or a gpu for example, unless you bought them already

or there are times when you may not have excess spare money

also, if you have money just laying around i suggest buying atleast gold or silver with it or something material, or investing into an index fund such as s&p 500/1500 and indexes in other regions

@prime pivot also just so you’re aware, razer has horrible software

you pay 130 quid for a peripheral and the manufacturer doesn’t end there, they want to collect telemetry as well

ofc other manufacturers do too but razer, if you read their ToS is just playing dirty

[prime pivot]

don’t need to worry about computer stuff, that money is already covered for its, £2650

[bitter oar]

chinese ones also should be watched, some use outdated platforms they built their software on and feature backdoors and some telemetry

but pretty sure westernware also has a bunch of (unintentional) backdoors

[bitter oar]

yeah just beware with most stuff including peripherals there is a diminishing returns curve, like above 50 you won’t get much better than like vgn vxe was in 2024 (featuring similar shape)

samsung 990 pro won’t feel faster than like sn580/sn5000 in 99.9% tasks

[prime pivot]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/MnmWpK

[bitter oar]

not the most well spent money on each part but not too bad either

if you already purchased the parts, if you don’t think it’s worth the hassle (it’s prob not) then it’s fine

atleast the 990 evo plus, the price isn’t good for a 2tb

[void geyser]

remember to keep your nubs lubed

RAHHH

[flat dock]

does that do something

[prime pivot]

i haven’t bought anything yet

won’t be buying until october

so if you want to edit it u can

if you think i can get a better ssd then pick a different ssd for me

but i was going to wait until the day i can buy everything to double check

[bitter oar]

then ask in october

[prime pivot]

lol

[bitter oar]

prices fluctuate

[bitter oar]

yeah, there is a lot that can be improved on the build, ask in october

not now

[prime pivot]

i wasn’t anyways lol 😂

[rugged grove]

Hi, I had a question about headphones. I’ve been looking into getting one for under $80, and the one that has stood out has been the open-back SHP9600. However, I realized it may not have that good a spatial audio for gaming, which I would definitely like, but I’d also use it for videos and music. Are there any options that are noticeably better? For example the hyperx cloud 2 seems to have a decent price on Amazon but idk.

[bitter oar]

maybe consider oneodio monitor 80

he400se, but they’re not very spatial

[prime pivot]

https://flickmice.com/products/fire?srsltid=AfmBOoqNnzRmS4BY5bCWsSYmkwBlgKwmRlzo7mo_RspNy_wPwsuK23Iz

is this a good mouse?

[glossy abyss]

https://www.melgeek.com/products/real67-magnetic-keyboard?variant=46677569732862

TTC Sacred Heart KOM switches or TTC Tai E switches?

[fervent breach]

[azure wave]

have you used the monitor 80

[azure wave]

the 9500 is where the party's at. with the 9600 they increased the thickness of the earpads, and somehow this threw a lot of things off

I have the old cloud 2 and it's been great with precise horizontal angles in most games

the monitor 80 doesn't do this.

the he400se kind of does this, but it's famously inconsistent and prone to error. it may seem like it's definitely pointing towards the back at a specific angle with a specific sound, but it's actually the front. change just the sound or just the angle, and this is no longer true

there are still worse outcomes, like having no sense of direction

lots of closed backs in this pricerange exist that don't have precision but still show a general direction

you could get an m50x clone around the $50 mark and see if it works well with your hrtf. realistically this is my first pick unless I'm playing games that rely on better distance judgement than picking up quiet sounds

hd280 pro has outstanding vertical directionality in games like cs2, at least for me

[bitter oar]

y

[azure wave]

you should have some perspective on whether or not the monitor 80 can image before recommending it for imaging purposes

[lime vault]

My Corsair k63 wireless is no longer charging so I need to replace it. What's a quiet wireless keyboard that would be a good replacement ?

[bitter oar]

i get a decent sense of direction and instrument separation w my monitor 80’s and my ears

[azure wave]

oh ok

[azure wave]

I don't really wish to double ping like this, but it appears kvetinky gets a substantially different sense of imaging than I do

[bitter oar]

i was disappointed with he400se though

[azure wave]

for this model

ye me too

I hope I'm just unlucky with the monitor 80. for me it was vague and didn't really help me with where to aim

[bitter oar]

yeah, maybe my unit is just good idk

when you were describing the treble peak on the monitor 80’s

my unit had it elsewhere

[azure wave]

I don't exactly wish for oneodio to reap in the cash either with the monitor 80, that's a personal bias I have against any headphone that doesn't provide replacement pads

but I do have measurements with my 711/kb501x clone

one sec

[bitter oar]

yeah even aftermarket sucks for the oneodio’s

[azure wave]

ripoff dt990 replacements are the most similar I've found so far

[bitter oar]

may i have the link

btw i got the headphones for like €50 including shipping and taxes

[azure wave]

good deal

pretty resolving, I just don't get much imaging from them like I do from even a dt990

I can't tell for sure, but https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CM9MM82H

the earpads that came on my ebay dt990 250, sold as legitimate but actually a good fake, used earpads identical in structure to oem dt880/990 pads but a more flexible and thin perforated black plastic ring on the rear side of the pads

perhaps ebay is the mark of the beast here

all I remember for sure is that they measured more linearly than genuine stock dt880/990 pads

which I got from my dt880 600r new

[bitter oar]

maybe a bad unit idk

though that would raise concern a bit in terms of qc

[bitter oar]

interesting

personally i don’t like beyers, their headphones have a bit too much treble, especially the dt990s

[azure wave]

I redact my prior attemps of concretely saying what this headphone does

[bitter oar]

like sure, the extra treble is nice in certain genres, but in something like… bodycam (the game) i’d go deaf

[azure wave]

it's poorly documented and I can only add so much

every extra perspective is basically a revelation

[bitter oar]

did you check out the fiio ft3’s too

[azure wave]

oh ye the graaph

[bitter oar]

i think they may be underrated considering the price of them has significantly dropped

[azure wave]

not yet

[fervent breach]

#audio-tech ???

i wish this channel was still #keyboards

[worldly garden]

for the love of god they changed it for good

[fervent breach]

for bad

didn’t it happen because they banned thocctober for ???

[worldly garden]

For ragebaiting

Lol

Dude gave out so much facts that piss people off

[fervent breach]

It’s over for me

[worldly garden]

Im aware

[fervent breach]

bro has been plotting my assassination

[worldly garden]

Mx

[fervent breach]

these would look better wkl

[worldly garden]

Maker dont make those

Iirc

[fervent breach]

i Know.

Diamond Lee

[worldly garden]

Right

[flat dock]

wkl sucks

[void geyser]

not surprised you like WKL60

shit's actually ass lmao

@worldly garden

I bought a relic board

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/products/kbparadise-v60-type-r

[fervent breach]

what is even bad about wkl60 with hhkb stuff

split backspace, split right shift

i mean it’s a really nice layout lol

i think ur just delusional

[broken solar]

Y'all
What's a good cheap wireless mouse for productivity and some light gaming? I want to get a wireless mouse to use with my Thinkpad at school and then play aim trainers or something when I have nothing else to do

[urban tusk]

whats the best mouse under 50 bucks? looking for a light mouse that works well nd shit....

[worldly garden]

Bruh

[earnest agate]

Cheapest mech keyboard that doesn't have stupid software to go with it? Only care about gaming, something quiet would be nice.

[worldly garden]

What is ur budget

[earnest agate]

Cheapest possible

I do not care about quality

I am not a keyboard eliteist

[worldly garden]

Anything i can find

Keychrpn c3 pro

Spme sort branded and decent

[earnest agate]

ty

[spring dew]

I mean technically If you want something quite and care about nothing else you could get a membrane

[fervent breach]

lame

[void geyser]

@worldly garden

guess who decided to show up

[worldly garden]

L for not buying my corsy

[void geyser]

your corsa looks like shit

mine's balling

[worldly garden]

nuh uh

cant ragebait me

and yes

why i cant use that omegalul emoji

[void geyser]

ur banned from using it cuz ur corsa ugli

Just have darling r1

https://tenor.com/view/mog-statue-mogger-mogging-mewing-gif-4726236665805485045

[worldly garden]

kkb darling >

nothing beats a base kit of dcs PITP

[void geyser]

"KKB Darling"

https://tenor.com/view/brokie-andrew-tate-meme-andrew-tate-memes-gif-26783954

i'm just joking

it was a gift to me

also tbf the kKB darling is also good

[worldly garden]

indeed

like most people will prefer those over gmk

but PITP my goat

imagine not having PITP

[glossy mica]

Nice

[worldly garden]

i heard someone like 60 wkl

[void geyser]

dsigusting

[worldly garden]

i agree

and is a nika

nika bad high end

[void geyser]

all wkl looks like shit

people still make them tho for some reaosn

[void geyser]

@worldly garden

[worldly garden]

Thock

[void geyser]

Corsa time

babyyyyyyyyyyy

[fervent breach]

beautiful board lel

tbh tho im becoming a big tkl fan

& hhkb layout

[bitter oar]

/e steal 9999

[worldly garden]

I have the same one in black

Want to buy ?

[chrome raft]

can I meet these people?

[worldly garden]

hello thocc

[chrome raft]

thocky keyboard?

[worldly garden]

yessir

[chrome raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOOalEorTmg

[worldly garden]

duh i cant find any proper condition hhkb in xianyu

any of those will be 1000 yuan +

[bitter oar]

gummy

[flat dock]

gateron oil kings 🥀

[worldly garden]

Mitclan

[languid path]

which one should i choose because im new to both of them i used to be an old hp office monitor user who thought monitors were useless and then i ugraded to a gigabyte 1440p ips 180z and a 1080p 180hz acer but now i want a third monitor to replace my main or become my second for movies and youtube what should i buy (i cannot find reviews on either of them)