here is one ^^
#peripherals
worldly garden
budget
under 50 pounds
my laptop is refurbishged from thriftstore
another 140 pounds
trust
young spoke
can confirm as i have 2 phds trust me bro is much more of an intellectual source
young spoke
under 50 pounds
what’s in it
worldly garden
what’s in it
kalih bcp
worldly garden
had a tkl too
young spoke
it had homoo sea salt silents in it
worldly garden
and a gmmk pro but sold for profit
young spoke
honestly one of the best switches i’ve ever used
flat dock
Yikes at that level it might literally be more economical to buy framework laptop boards
fiery sail
and these cpus could be absolutely incredible
the 385 is basically a 7700X witha 3060
if they sell those for 400€ APU gaming could be in a really amazing shape.
right now you can do 8600G or 8700G and have a 7500f with 770 or 970 equivalent performance. for 250/350€
and for 350€ you could get a 7500f and a B570 where i live.
if you are willing to go down to AM4 you can make that a 3500X and 9060XT 16GB
like we are talking 1440p here with less struggling than the 8700G would have in 1080p (not even mentioning the huge uplift FSR got in the 9000 series)
anyway this is a peripherals channel and i got a bit oput of hand
fiery sail
Yikes at that level it might literally be more economical to buy framework lapto...
also in general i kinda dont get framework.
like its not for the average joe, who knows nothing about PCs and just wants soemthign to work, but for the nerds you can legit just DIY what they do, sure it takes time and effort and might be not quite as good, but it also saves hundreds of dollars, possibly even 1k+ depending on what u do and for most people who are good enough to DIY it, its probably fun, buth to build it and to learn some things
but ngl they kind of demystified PC modding for me a bit.
and are probably a big reason why im thinking of a full custom DIY case for my next build
flat dock
also in general i kinda dont get framework.
like its not for the average joe, w...
how can you really diy a laptop? if youre just gonna buy an existing laptop and fix it then thats kinda a different deal
fiery sail
i think its just a few weeks ago that linus showcased a young guy who basically made a blueprint and even made his own mechanical keyboard int othe laptop as the stand out point
and the guy is like 17
flat dock
i think that's a pretty big leap
pc building is big because you don't have to be an engineer to figure it out
fiery sail
there certainly is a gap between the 2 groups i mentioned where framework is ideal
to me it just seems that its not a lot of people
fiery sail
and even if i thought it would be very difficult, unless i out of the sudden needed sth that cant be a laptop i just resell for a couple bucks less or return
well people also buy 5060 ti 8 gb
not saying you are wrong
just that people often tend to do quite uninformed decisions
which is kinda the reason LTT exists
to inform people who would have otherwise bought stuff that would not make them as happy as an optimized solution
flat dock
are you saying that it's simply an uninformed decision to buy a product like a framework laptop instead of designing, building parts, and assembling a custom laptop entirely from scratch?
fiery sail
not always
but more people could do it that just settle for framework without giving it a proper thought
flat dock
i feel like theres maybe dozens? of people in the world that would actually do a custom laptop
fiery sail
especially since the designign part can often be skipped, there are guides out there you can follow that make it a lot easier
flat dock
meanwhile a market of millions or more for something somewhat custom like a framework laptop
you could say the same about people buying premade pc parts even for a custom build, instead of making your own atx case from a guide if it exists
fiery sail
100%
if they were cheaper.
like for the price difference you can justify spending quite a lot of time on a DIY project
especially if you enjoy stuff like that and you can write it on resumes and stuff as well
flat dock
but then in this analogyt you dont see the purpose of premade pc cases existing
fiery sail
you could say the same about people buying premade pc parts even for a custom bu...
didnt read that when i wrote
was meant for the market of millions
with the cases are you talking about custom cases or just general market cases anyone can buy?
fiery sail
if the cheapest pc cases were 500$
that would 100% be my opinion
that a lot of people should do that more
than buying a 500$+ case or no PC at all
flat dock
that a lot of people should do that more
would* i would say
fiery sail
but you can get cases large enough to fit a 5080 and have 4 preinstalled fans for 40€
flat dock
i am just so confused
so you do get why the market segment of pc cases exists, so people who don't want to don't need to build their own case just to have a computer, right?
fiery sail
yes, but the buy in in so low that you can get a budget case or just leave the pc on e.g. the motherboard box compared to how much you pay extra for framwork
that justifying putting the time in for a case you can buy for 40 bucks or just leave out is much harder to do than for a custom laptop or other options like buying used or low end and modifying that instead of framework
lets say a framework product with identical specs to a standard product is 1600$ to 1500$ (+the modifications you buy)
makes the sitiuation totally different from 3000$ vs 1500$
liek the bigger the difference between X and Y the more efford would be justifyable to put into doing Y to save money
u get what im saying?
flat dock
ok i think i see what youre saying
so you think its bad for framework to exist because it discourages diyers from customizing a different laptop to what they want, because the cost would be similar (plus add labor)?
fiery sail
no
im pulling numbers out of my ass here but:
right now if say of 100 people
33 should buy a standard laptop
33 should go framework
33 should DIY
especially the DIY is underrepresented for the amount of people it would be the best choice and ruled out in the decision process to o eearly if thought about at all
so like real world would be 40 buy standard 40 framework and 20 DIY
when 33 33 33 would be if everyone did the best choice
and DIY including basically any creative way, e.g. buying older hardware cheap and swap out the motherboard and CPU
flat dock
if you made the price of framework way higher than standard so it encourages that market to go diy, then that achieves what youre saying?
but then that's artificially inflating the market for diy
fiery sail
nonono
flat dock
and DIY including basically any creative way, e.g. buying older hardware cheap a...
which isnt really feasible because good luck finding a motherboard thatll fit in the same chassis
fiery sail
at current prices
if framework becomes cheaper than less peopel should do DIY
bc why go DIY if you dont save money?
flat dock
for the fun of it
fiery sail
unless you really love the experience or framework cant deliver what u need
flat dock
if you have to go diy for money reasons i think thats kinda a bad thing?
fiery sail
but a lot less people should do DIY if the money saving part wouldnt be in anymore
flat dock
i dont think you should make framework or regular laptops way more expensive than framework just to encourage people to go diy in the hope of education
fiery sail
no
thats not what im saying
if anythign they should go cheaper
of course
i dont want the products to change so people do more DIY
or less
just the people to realize that going DIY is often good and possible when they think its too difficult for them
in part because framework is so expensive
flat dock
framework isnt expensive though?
especially if you buy your own ram/storage, it can be quite a bit cheaper than prebuilt laptops
fiery sail
its legit double the price of a laptop with almost identical hardware
flat dock
definitely not double
fiery sail
i just did a mock configuration
flat dock
maybe $100 or $200 more if you use their preincluded ram
what two laptops did you compare
flat dock
hows that really comparable though? 2/3 the ram, half the storage
flat dock
might be a european market moment
that laptop in usa is $2249.99 if this is the same one https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/omen-transcend-laptop-14-fb0097nr
flat dock
idk about the framework 16 much, its pretty outdated though
i think if you compare it to laptops from 2023 it probably holds up
fiery sail
4070 OLED laptops are regularly found at 1500€ here
fiery sail
i thought 16 is newest
flat dock
nope
its been a long time since it was updated
so that one is true the 16 kinda sucks right now
fiery sail
i'll do a mock configuration with the 13 now
flat dock
let me rebuild mine but with their ram and storage to see the cost
fiery sail
idk just with CPU selectio nthe 13 is already at 2k
flat dock
what???
fiery sail
idk but we might be better off comparing it to this
like the 1500€ one is just out of frameworks league
way out tbh
flat dock
does it outperform a 7840u by a ton or something?
european market confuses me so much, over here framework is like dead average as far as cost, especially for 7040 series laptops
fiery sail
2.5 times the price of a pretty much dead equal laptop
and that s with 0 expansion cards
or anything
flat dock
2.5 times? the hp one is $589?
fiery sail
650
flat dock
that might be a snapdragon moment
fiery sail
doesnt have to be snapdragon
flat dock
if thats the case then that blows all normal laptops out of the water too
fiery sail
can find u similar ones with a ryzen 7645 ofr what they are called and a 3050 for 650
i think thats what my gf got for 500€ last year
flat dock
can find u similar ones with a ryzen 7645 ofr what they are called and a 3050 fo...
in the used market yeah of course
but in the new market? what???
flat dock
ive never seen anything remotely like that in the us
maybe the european market is really weird
fiery sail
it just helps having less (but still way too much) money in the hands of billionaires
turns out people can afford stuff then and the currency does kinda well
crazy, i know
still absolutely wild to think about that the 2 richest families in germany have the same amount of money as the entire rest of the country
flat dock
why does this exact exchange happen every time something is compared between usa and europe 😭
it may have some impact but obviously thats not the sole cause
idk if i fully understand the original argument still
are you saying that prices of framework in german market are pushing people towards buying prebuilts even if they wouldve liked the customizability of framework?
fiery sail
why does this exact exchange happen every time something is compared between usa...
well its certainly not everything but a very big and easy to point out (&change) part.
if something has great benefits and basically no downsides its very easy to use.
whereas a difficult topic that may also have huge net benefits has a long list of both pro can con arguments
fiery sail
are you saying that prices of framework in german market are pushing people towa...
that wasnt the main point.
my point was just that consumers make uninformed decision bc they think they couldnt do DIY
and overestimate the difficulty of it
/underestimate themselves
flat dock
how does framework affect people thinking DIY is more difficult than it is?
fiery sail
not really
more the other way round
"i cant do DIY" → "oh look there is framework"
instead of "i cant do DIY" → "standard laptops dont do what i want" → "maybe i should really think about DIY again"
damn i love being back to 100% keyboard and being able to do the arrows
humble ravine
how many people have the thought to DIY a laptop in the first place though
like that has to be an incredibly small market
fiery sail
thats what im saying
people think the market smaller than it is
bc they think its more complicated than it really is
dont get me wrong, for 95% of people a standard laptop is perfectly fine
just for those who desire a more personalized product and could do DIY to achieve it
too many quit thinking about it too early
before finding out that its quite possible
flat dock
damn i love being back to 100% keyboard and being able to do the arrows
TKL clears
fiery sail
wdym with clears?
fiery sail
i have a 2.2m x 1.4m desk
that solves pretty much everything about that 😄
♪♫→←
and just beign able to do this by pressing alt + 2 numbers
flat dock
i have number keys im not crazy
fiery sail
it doesnt work with number row
flat dock
oh
fiery sail
y
also it might be me being used to it but my left hand is on WASD and my right on mouse
smaller keyboard just has some unused space in between
i dont have 1 deskmat where both is on tho
mousepad is on the table
and keyboard is left to it with a smaller dekmat (i thin k40x60cm) for my left arm to rest
and you sure could reprogram a second layer onto your keys so u press fn and then can do alt and your num row would cosplay being numpad keys
but on the wooting 80HE i had that didnt work
at least not with just wootility settings and i would have to sit there and figure out how to do it properly
i think if it wasnt for the unicode symbols i would also prefer TKL tho
worldly garden
wispy sinew
any simple places that have good monitor recommendations?
just broke my monitor and need a new ones but idk if i should get this again https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B083P6GTWD
daring saddle
How much flickering on a surge protector LED (the one inside the power switch on the model in the picture) is normal? My surge protector is at least 16 years old, btw.
daring saddle
It was originally used for a home/office setup in like 2009 with the following peripherals/specs:
Motorola SB5101U Modem + Belkin F5D7234 G router.
PC w/ a Pentium E2200 + 2GB RAM + Windows XP inside a Raidmax xA case.
Some Sort of Altec Lansing speakers iirc
Microsoft Internet PS/2 Keyboard
Logitech 931144-0403 Mouse
I actually used that mouse as a backup up until like 4 years ago.
At that point it started moving all over the place after repeated cleaning attempts.
fiery sail
any simple places that have good monitor recommendations?
just broke my monitor ...
monitors unboxed on youtube
fiery sail
How much flickering on a surge protector LED (the one inside the power switch on...
those break or flicker after some years. doesnt mean that the functionality is impacted at all, alathougfh i cnat give you a guarantee
fiery sail
what do you guys think?
need a new deskmat anyway and it would be incredibly helpful when im switching in the next weeks
worldly garden
https://www.amazon.de/JIKIOU-erweitertes-Spickzettel-Mauspad-Programmierer-Lycra...
usually went for 5$ at max so find the cheapest one possible
chrome raft
I'm not very expirienced in monitors, but would this monitor (https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/gaming/27-odyssey-g55c-qhd-165hz-1ms-mprt-curved-gaming-monitor-ls27cg552enxza/?utm_source=chatgpt.com) be an upgrade over this one (https://aoc.com/uk/gaming/products/monitors/27g2spae-bk) ?
I have the AOC one now
and I'm missing the adjustable height
and current one is only 1080p
and I just bought PS5 so
(4k I don't want)
thx in advance
heady dagger
i need wrist wrest recommendations for my software developer dad
fiery sail
and I just bought PS5 so
it technically is a n upgrade, however, with a PS5, even the pro is really not good enough to get high FPS in 1440p
i would definitely stick to 1080p witht he PS5, even the ps5 pro struggles with 1440p a lot and you will have lags in the demanding titles.
i would either get a really cheap 60+Hz monitor that has adaptive sync, a decent pixel response time, good colour accuracy and high contrast ratio.
you can look at what monitors are available in your region for cheap and then find reeviews on youtube or RTINGS.com r
once you settled for a monitor, look up ICC profiles, thats basically just the settings in your monitor that make the colours look the best.
those are often downloadable or someone just sais what settings to make in your monitor.
im sure some things will be new to you, so feel free to ask any follow up questions 😊
im heading to bed now tho, so have an amazing time and i'll see you tomorrow
chrome raft
it technically is a n upgrade, however, with a PS5, even the pro is really not g...
I do also have a PC with RX6600, 16GB DDR4 3200Mhz, R7 5700X
fiery sail
same story there, the 6600 in 1440p ultra in games like alan wake 2, starfield and cyberpunk gets 10-20 FPS
ofc, with medium to low settings you could make those playable. but even then you get 30-40 at most.
but if you are 99% certain you are upgrading your GPU rather soon (or stay on the 6600 as long as you like and can get e.g. a 9070 any time), then 1440p would be totally fine.
especially if you still ahve your old monitor that has 1080p so you could use that for the console and games that the 6600 cant play in 1440p
also a 32GB kit of 3600 cl18 or 4000 cl20 is 50$ if you notice to run out of ram.
fiery sail
oh also, i would never upgrade just 1 thing about a monitor.
like just going from 1080p to 1440p
if u get from 60 to 120HZ+ thats one thing
but my absolute recommendation if you can afford it would be miniLED (or OLED if you have too much money)
a decent quality 1440p monitor is ~150$, miniLED about 300 and oled about 500.
what miniLED and OLED do, is they can shut off pixels to display actual black.
a standard monitor always has their backlight on, so black is that dark, but still bright grey and a grey that should be darker than that now has to be brighter than that, which washes out towards the bright colours where this is less noticeable.
OLEDs can do each pixel individually, while miniLED have usually somewhere between 300 and 1200 zones that can dimm or turn off entirely, dependign on what is needed.
OLEDs are also superior in other aspects like colour accuracy and response times, but for the average person those differences are not too meaningful and they come with the problem of burn in.
OLED really is superior in every way, but miniLED is a good bang for the buck in between if justifying 500$ for a monitor is hard to do for you.
(especially if you are the type of person that would always have burn in as a background worry, which is why im also afraid of getting one)
opaque kayak
Any idea what could cause this?
fiery sail
faulty cable/loose connectors most likely
90% this is due to some form of loose contact
coral ferry
150 grams a lot for key weight?
coral ferry
Any idea what could cause this?
try a different input
worldly garden
150 grams a lot for key weight?
too much
poeple usually go for 30 to 70
most average ones
some go for 80+
opaque kayak
try a different input
Don't have any. Either they are blocked by other cables or don't exist.
coral ferry
Don't have any. Either they are blocked by other cables or don't exist.
i guess you need to buy a new monitor then
fiery sail
So I should be happy with 150
its entirely preference based, but its not bigger number is better.
i personally prefer ~40g of force, anything higher will become exhausting over the day, as i use my keyboard a lot on some days.
if you tired 150g and its feels right for you, sure, but 99.9% of people will prefer something at least below 100
if you never tried different switch forces, i would recommend you to not start with 150g.
you can buy switch testers or just start with 10 switches of 3 different types, that doesnt cost too much and worst case you could always put the ones u didnt like so much on keys u dont need that often
saves a couple of bucks
worldly garden
So I should be happy with 150
mine daily is 60-63.5g
but i will buy some mx blacks 80g in the future
coral ferry
I heard rumors of a Super Black existing
chrome raft
also a 32GB kit of 3600 cl18 or 4000 cl20 is 50$ if you notice to run out of ram...
I am working on getting 9070 and 32 GB kit soon; I was thinking 5070 but price to performance I don't like so I think I'm sticking with AMD
worldly garden
u get 1-3 super blcks per vint cherry boards
flat dock
my daily switch right now is 62g tactile 57.5g bottom out and thats about the limit for me before i starting getting fatigue
i cant imagine using 150g
worldly garden
top mount chinesium gaming
coral ferry
but gl finding one
Literally "one". IIRC, the keyboards that do have them only have one in the space bar
worldly garden
Literally "one". IIRC, the keyboards that do have them only have one in the spac...
and some weird size function keys
i cant access deskthority rn but if u can uwill find it out yourself
coral ferry
u get 1-3 super blcks per vint cherry boards
I need to find 30 vintage keyboards and take them apart for the super blacks, then throw out all the other parts
worldly garden
worldly garden
I need to find 30 vintage keyboards and take them apart for the super blacks, th...
no no
throw them to me
tysm
fiery sail
also there arent any studies on particular higher switch forces, but there have been similar studies and this meta study that combined 32 different studies on wrist pain/issues and higher switch forces might not necessarily help with a healthy wrist over the years, as the more frequent and heavier use is one of the strongest factors contributing to wrist pain and there are plenty of people who talk about wrist pain and having e.g. 20g switches helps them.
although there wasnt doen anythign specific for keyboard actuation forces yet, defionitely take this with a grain of salt
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6857228/
but when you are considering such high forces i have to give you the heads up on the risks
fiery sail
I am working on getting 9070 and 32 GB kit soon; I was thinking 5070 but price t...
also 12GB for 1440p is already a problem
flat dock
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Super_Black
deskthority.net work without errors challenge
fiery sail
i already had multiple games where the VRAM on my 4070 is constantly full
coral ferry
also there arent any studies on particular higher switch forces, but there have ...
Luckily for me, I don't type with my wrist. jk. im not a doctor
worldly garden
@coral ferry i knew someone had 5 super blacks if its helps
coral ferry
<@196197394084397057> i knew someone had 5 super blacks if its helps
The Jackson 5?
flat dock
whats the actuation force on them
fiery sail
Luckily for me, I don't type with my wrist. jk. im not a doctor
none of us is, thats why its good to look at the work hundreds of doctors did for us so we dont have to step in the dark
chrome raft
also 12GB for 1440p is already a problem
true
worldly garden
also there arent any studies on particular higher switch forces, but there have ...
blah blah blah, easy fix
ergo keyboard
coral ferry
ergo keyboard
You take that back
worldly garden
not at all dude
flat dock
qk alice duo
coral ferry
Ergo keyboards are some of the least ergonomic keyboards I've ever used...probably because they're ergo for someone else, not me
flat dock
ive never had one
fiery sail
also using an ergo keyboard is an entirely different approach then using lighter switches or knwoing about the risks and at least letting a doctor check it every 1-2 years when ur there anyway
or when u start noticing issues, before its too late
just not stumbling into this blind/knowingly without proper help
i cant and wont force you not to take the one dumb approach in there.
its your body, money and choice. but not giving you the heads up would be incredibly negligent
coral ferry
I get the feeling if I were to ever get a repetative strain injury, it would have been in my teens or 20s
flat dock
i probably have an injury or something idk
fiery sail
I get the feeling if I were to ever get a repetative strain injury, it would hav...
there are much more things that can go on in there and if anything its the other way round, the older u get the more likely it is to get an injury.
like the difference from 20-30 years is smaller than form 30-40 and its only gets more.
your body regenerates slower the older you get.
damages in your tissue will need more rest time with every day you age.
coral ferry
there are much more things that can go on in there and if anything its the other...
Don't worry, i don't use my wrist that often anymore
fiery sail
i give up
fervent breach
also there arent any studies on particular higher switch forces, but there have ...
i’d kill myself if i had to use 20g domes
fiery sail
thats why prevention is 100x better than medication
fervent breach
thats why prevention is 100x better than medication
just use 170g domes until you can’t anymore
fervent breach
anythign over 200g is probably not dailyable imo
fiery sail
just put a strongman beneath every key that actively pushes against you
or a jet engine
fervent breach
吃吧
fiery sail
?
coral ferry
fervent breach
https://images.thdstatic.com/productImages/d7fc96e7-7216-44ce-9943-f7d30716237b/...
what am i looking at
fervent breach
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezo_ignition
fuck this
errant harness
Check out my buddy who builds horrible keyboards
"I turned an unsolved geometry problem into the worst numpad ever made"
fervent breach
Check out my buddy who builds horrible keyboards
now make it topre
worldly garden
Some other gems he's shared:
dont shame on those who use dcs blanks
shy fox
Hey guys, my pc shop has a weird naming scheme for Keychron mice. Both models seem to be the same M3 4K model in black and white but the shop adopted M3-A1 and M3-A3 for names. Does anyone know if there's a big difference between the models or just some weird naming they did
fervent breach
Hey guys, my pc shop has a weird naming scheme for Keychron mice. Both models se...
buy a good mouse instead
young spoke
Some other gems he's shared:
i’d use this
young spoke
also where’s q
worldly garden
(the purple is the space~~bar~~donut)
i like this make me on4e
primal cape
Wild one, brought myself a cheap as chips (Chinese instructions?) foot pedal of Amazon for a bit of RuneScape thieving, came with this...seems like I might be the one getting stolen from. Bad translation, malware or both?
wide plover
E
flat dock
the most frequent letter of the alphabet
fiery sail
thoughts on the endorfy celeris 1800 for 95€?
otherwise keychron v6 and v5 are at 115€ and the k17 max at 119€
genesis thor 303 for 64€ and i might not even need new switches for it
void geyser
Tigerlite gaming for 60
8k hz, via compatibility, TKL, Gasket sock mount, RGB for days, cheap, MX switches compatible despite being 8K, cheap af, PC plate / fr4 plate stock
boreal rivet
Realforce is better
flat dock
is real force backlit
does it shine through the keycaps
is that how that is
my dad needs one
fiery sail
Realforce is better
Renkforce is even better
boreal rivet
is real force backlit
Only gx1 is
They used to have a realforce rgb that isn’t made anymore
flat dock
what about this https://www.realforce.co.jp/en/products/R3HD11/
it looks shinethrough-y
boreal rivet
what about this https://www.realforce.co.jp/en/products/R3HD11/
Did I stutter or what
worldly garden
Tigerlite gaming for 60
those are 45 new
worldly garden
could have buy the trans lite
void geyser
I mean they're basically the same 
except for the transition lite has disgusting 1.2mm PCB
void geyser
1.2 sounds doo doo + you have to bother yourself with shims
worldly garden
1.2 sounds doo doo + you have to bother yourself with shims
moreover
transition lite is 1.6
non flex
eave iss 1.2
fervent breach
Might as well be blank
blank boards are awesomeee
fervent breach
some guy is selling one for 10 pounds
Hi
fervent breach
blank boards are awesomeee
flat dock
blank boards are awesomeee
it should just be blank, why would they do black on gray text 😭
fervent breach
it should just be blank, why would they do black on gray text 😭
u can actually see it irl
fiery sail
what's with putting the spacebar upside down though
put your fingers onthe caps and tab row as you would usually do
flat dock
What
fiery sail
like on qwer and asdf
flat dock
When would you ever do that
flat dock
that's asdf
flat dock
cindy
fiery sail
u notice how the keys should and probably are angeld away from you and towards the monitor
right?
fervent breach
flipped spacebar is also kinda way of saying “i use this keyboard”
flat dock
now crawl your fingers in to reach yxcv and windows, alt etc
What
fiery sail
when u go from s to x
flat dock
my thumb does x
fiery sail
ok do it with another finger so u can understand
flat dock
oh no my index finger
fiery sail
u notice how the keys should and probably are angeld away from you and towards t...
↑
when you do it that way
flat dock
yeah but thats what makes them comfortable
fiery sail
yeah but u can imagien it as it is for 95% of keybaords
flat dock
i have a reference picture of one though
fiery sail
its not just cherry
flat dock
wait no i see
the hhkb is way more angled than most keyboards on spacebar
on cherry profile its already sorta angled outwards like the upside down hhkb spacebar
fiery sail
its mroe comfy bc the keys are all angled the same way for aestethics
but thumb needs other angle
so u flip it
flat dock
aesthetics are stupid
fiery sail
if they get in the way of funtionality, yes
but people often dont even know what works best
u know how when u buy dry pasta its mostly yellow
fiery sail
no, no egg pasta has almost same colour
just flour and fgluten
but it being yellow means the surface is smooth
high qulity pasta that gets pressed through bronze gets rougher, meaning it can absorb more sauce
but to most of us it looks not appealing
we are legit trained to like the worse pasta when buying it
flat dock
huh
i can tell cherry profile spacebar is not very strongly angled and even then its slightly angled the opposite way of hhkb so i guess its kinda upside down by default
fiery sail
the smoot hpasta gets pressed through ceramic
fiery sail
i can tell cherry profile spacebar is not very strongly angled and even then its...
might be the case
young spoke
i prefer flat boards
can you use low profile keycaps on regular switches?
i’d assume so don’t they just use a cross pattern stem
flat dock
can you use low profile keycaps on regular switches?
no but you can find lots of really low profile keycaps for normal profile switches
young spoke
dang
flat dock
but they wont be like chiclet level
young spoke
what do low profile stems look like then?
flat dock
theres many standards
young spoke
i swear they are just + design
flat dock
some are
idk exactly what works
wait maybe they just use normal + stem keycaps on low profile switches too?
young spoke
like this
actually can’t you use this switch on a normal board
the pins looks correct
flat dock
yeah but you still need a low profile keyboard to use the switches
but maybe the keycaps are universal
young spoke
just looks like 3 pin
young spoke
yeah but you still need a low profile keyboard to use the switches
why?
they’re 3 pin
flat dock
yeah but it doesnt fit the form factor pretty sure
unless maybe the plate can just move down
young spoke
or is it some goofy ass 3 pin
flat dock
ive never had one
young spoke
yeah but it doesnt fit the form factor pretty sure
why even do that bro
just make them all compatible ong
flat dock
at the very least youd have to go foamless because the spacing of the plate wouldnt work
fiery sail
the less compatible things get the more you have to buy new stuff
flat dock
i thought the pins are different but they dont look like it by my eyeball
fiery sail
ask apple about how much money that makes
flat dock
like this
wait those pins are definitely not standard mx
you can see the right one isnt lower
but these? i have no idea https://nuphy.com/collections/switches/products/nuphy-panda-nano-switches
the pin location looks like it'd match but i think there's some other reason you cant just throw it in a normal profile keyboard
young spoke
why even do that?
fiery sail
i thought the pins are different but they dont look like it by my eyeball
did you stick the pins of both into your eyeball and see if the 2nd ones fit the mold the first created? /s
flat dock
maybe manufacturers just didn't care
i can see a lot with normal pin locations
maybe then the only thign you have to change is removing plate foam and something about the top case because it'd be too tall
young spoke
or just don’t have a top case
flat dock
or just don’t have a top case
oh this is optical
but i know they have some keyboards where the switch is exposed
instead of a top case keeping everything enclosed
flat dock
i have a logitech like that
flat dock
60% boards typically do that
i think it's more of a non-custom-keyboard-world thing
young spoke
this magegee60 mini has no top case
flat dock
i wish i had some of those mx compatible low-profile keycaps to test this
young spoke
just screws holding it down
flat dock
but i'm not gonna spend $35 for a pack of 90 switches ill never use
fiery sail
but i'm not gonna spend $35 for a pack of 90 switches ill never use
pay 5 bucks for a pack of 10
flat dock
pay 5 bucks for a pack of 10
didn't really see any
fiery sail
sadge
flat dock
no LP switches on milktooth either
rugged gyro
what keyboard can I get for like 60 to 100
I need decent keyboard but I dont wanna spend a fortune
preferably white
fierce mango
what keyboard can I get for like 60 to 100
I'd check out Keychron, I'm not sure if they make anything white that's on sale right now, but their full metal boards are really nice
rugged gyro
I'd check out Keychron, I'm not sure if they make anything white that's on sale ...
what are their full metal boards?
they expensive?
fierce mango
The Q1 QMK Version 1 is $90 right now and it's a very solid keyboard
rugged gyro
oh I can work with that
fierce mango
Full aluminum and weighs a crap ton, feels very nice based on a test from my friend
For a little extra you could also grab their foam mod kit for a softer feel and more thock
fervent breach
what keyboard can I get for like 60 to 100
hhkb
fervent breach
any specific model?
hhkb pro 2
assuming you’re not japanese; https://buyee.jp
go to mercari and search hhkb
find a pro 2
typically much cheaper
note: avoid all hhkb “lite” models as they don’t use topre switches and are generally significantly worse
they’re from the 90s so
worldly garden
he glazes rubber dome keyboards too much
just like mxjdine
worldly garden
@young spoke 4.5$ for this, something u will literally buy
fiery sail
he glazes rubber dome keyboards too much
probably just the form of buyers remorse where you talk yourself to the point that a product was so expensive it cant be a bad purchase, else you would have wasted so much money
happens to me quite a lot, but 9/10 times its within the return window
was the same with my 4070 but that one i can at least resell with minimal losses
young spoke
<@538342977144225792> 4.5$ for this, something u will literally buy
i would
that’s a keyboard for $5
idk why he took the keycaps off
worldly garden
probably just the form of buyers remorse where you talk yourself to the point th...
topre is fine, is just not for everyone
boreal rivet
probably just the form of buyers remorse where you talk yourself to the point th...
me when I can't imagine a product that's actually good 🥀
fiery sail
Renkforce is better
fervent breach
probably just the form of buyers remorse where you talk yourself to the point th...
it is not buyers remorse
i truly love these keyboards
if it was buyers remorse why would i buy 3 more and plan to buy like 20
fiery sail
it is not buyers remorse
read the message i literally explained how that form of buyers remorse works and experienced it myself
fiery sail
now read the first word of the message
crisp patrol
he glazes rubber dome keyboards too much
topre is good lmfao
young spoke
he likes it a bit too much if you know what i mean
crisp patrol
Renkforce is better
this may be a truth nuke provided you just typed out realforce wrong
fiery sail
its a joke
fervent breach
he thinks it’s funny for some reason
crisp patrol
he likes it a bit too much if you know what i mean
topre is endgame yes
young spoke
idk
fiery sail
young spoke
silent switch 60% with F row is end game for me
fiery sail
@crisp patrol
fervent breach
topre is endgame yes
topre is endgame but then u gotta find the endgame topre
crisp patrol
fiery sail
glad we are on the same page now 😄
valid kraken
fervent breach
not sure about this topre stuff i think it's a conspiracy
it’s not
it’s peak tactility
fervent breach
same with topre
depends on your domes though
topre is endgame but then you have to find the endgame in the topre
for me it’d probably be bke style very heavy domes
but for some it’s 35g or less barely tactile domes
young spoke
silent mx switches are all horrible and mushy in the worst way
disagree
i have some homoo sea salt silents and they are perfect
fervent breach
but have you tried silent topre
fervent breach
i have actually
what board
young spoke
i have no clue
my friend is also a topre rubber dome glazer and i wanted to try some of his boards
fervent breach
was it hhkb layout
young spoke
yeah
young spoke
oem
young spoke
i didn’t look
fervent breach
donate me a hhkb or I'll hate buy one 🧌
i am being serious i’d probably give you my pro 2
but also it’s a bad introductory board
flat dock
but also it’s a bad introductory board
How come
fervent breach
How come
it’s really a mess
modded pcb and it’s been opened
also the case has been damaged and it has secondhand keycaps
which are way worse than stock caps
it’s definitely the hhkb that i’m going to put into an aftermarket case
like a sho hg
at least with that it’ll be used
void geyser
silent switch 60% with F row is end game for me
so a 75% then
flat dock
70%?1
young spoke
so a 75% then
no macros
void geyser
young spoke
or this
worldly garden
silent switch 60% with F row is end game for me
that doesnt exist
young spoke
are akko fairy switches good
get the gat bro
young spoke
dont be a budget enthusiast
your saying this like i have a choice
worldly garden
your saying this like i have a choice
demand buyers on your 20112 vauxhall dude
void geyser
dont be a budget enthusiast
one of the most statements of all time
anyways epbt keycaps good
very nice
got these today
worldly garden
one of the most statements of all time
no deadass tho
why would you cheap out on your "endgame"
right
void geyser
why would you cheap out on your "endgame"
who said each board has to be end game
boreal rivet
So true fellow consoomer
fervent breach
who said each board has to be end game
it’s nice to have every board you buy be usable
that’s why i buy exclusively topre boards
void geyser
topre boards are shit
fervent breach
topre boards are shit
all are good
void geyser
fervent breach
depends on what’s inside (and outside)
For me i prefer a stock hhkb but i will probably get significantly heavier aftermarket domes
for others they like heavy grails with like
35g domes
or maybe bke redux extremes
or something
It’s all Preference
void geyser
if you want the EC experience go with a 3rd party
fervent breach
if you want the EC experience go with a 3rd party
what is a 3rd party
wdym
i know what a third party is
just what do u mean
void geyser
don't buy actual HHKB
go with an EC kit for another board
like Kbdfans agar
basically unobtanium rn but you get the point
fervent breach
agar is very obtainable idk what u mean
void geyser
it's better in construction and you're already going through the hassle so might as well actually get a custom
fervent breach
although why not buy actual hhkb
void geyser
agar is very obtainable idk what u mean
not the EC kit its not
fervent breach
it's better in construction and you're already going through the hassle so might...
hhkb can be as custom as i want it to be
fervent breach
not the EC kit its not
i have seen tons on mercari
void geyser
i have seen tons on mercari
links
void geyser
links or it never happened
fervent breach
i don’t really care about a kbdfans agar
imo it’s an ugly board
if i buy a custom ec board ill build my own sho hg
i think stock is really cool because of the serial numbers and collectibility though
void geyser
sho is the tofu of hhkb fdym 😭
fervent breach
sho is the tofu of hhkb fdym 😭
dude what does that mean
void geyser
it's basic as shit
fervent breach
why do u speak like a philosopher
void geyser
agar got curves
fervent breach
agar is ugly
sho hg is pretty cool
i like the chin and forehead
also it’s the closest i’ll get to a real kb500
void geyser
side profile mogs unfortunately
fervent breach
side profile mogs unfortunately
yeah imo that shit is ugly as Fuck
boreal rivet
sho is the tofu of hhkb fdym 😭
you realise that sho's stuff is just supposed to be nicer stock cases right
fervent breach
you realise that sho's stuff is just supposed to be nicer stock cases right
^
he makes caps too though they’re pretty cool
void geyser
at the end of the day I couldn't give rats piss about hhkb and topre in general
void geyser
me tf
void geyser
only forgivable EC are niz
void geyser
hhkb mid imo, real force tkl kinda cool
boreal rivet
he makes caps too though they’re pretty cool
since when
void geyser
but hhkb
boreal rivet
i dont keep up
fervent breach
since when
idk i know he’s been making the metal caps for a bit
i think the sho urushi caps were new
boreal rivet
oh interesting
boreal rivet
the urushi caps lowkey look like ass
fervent breach
the urushi caps lowkey look like ass
imo they look nice
apparently they fade pretty quick though
as expected cause urushi
but damn
boreal rivet
nowhere close to the originals and atp why bother when it's meant to be for display
worldly garden
Thinkpad
young spoke
why would you cheap out on your "endgame"
i’m not
not wanting to spend £500+ on a keyboard is a valid point
i’m better off custom ordering a pcb and case for it
then just splicing a TKL plate
umbral imp
Mainly for aesthetics
Anyone know of any vertical gpu mounts that would work in a Corsair 6500x case I know Corsair sell one but I’ve read that they aren’t the best for the new 50 series cards
worldly garden
i’m better off custom ordering a pcb and case for it
which will cfost probably... about that
for the proper stuff
do you know how much making a case these days
young spoke
yes
worldly garden
esp 1 single product
young spoke
suprisingly cheap
worldly garden
200-400 depends on those chinesium
young spoke
i paid £38 for an aluminium 60% case
worldly garden
not including the time u have to desgin that etc
worldly garden
based on open source desgin i see
worldly garden
his cnc machine does indeed a big buck you see
worldly garden
says a cheapest cnc machine is 10k dollars
all that to make a 38$ keyboard
and lets say not everyone friends has a cnc machine, right
young spoke
its obviously not just for my keyboard
he has it for other things too
most people charging $200 for a case need a reality check
he said a 60% case with a 4.5cm thickness cost him about 40 to make
he did it for cheaper because he owes me 2 pounds but irrelevant
fervent breach
he did it for cheaper because he owes me 2 pounds but irrelevant
brother has a cnc machine and owed you 2 pounds
lmfao
young spoke
yeah
i bought him a pack of crisps like 20 years ago or some shit
i have no clue why
worldly garden
could have bought 20 pack of crisp 20 years ago
grand schooner
Hey, joined because I need help building my own mechanical keyboard. I have built my own PC about 9 months ago and now I want to expand my knowledge into building keyboards. I am running a Redragon K603 with blue switches (not because I like the sound, it's just what fit my budget) so if anyone wants to help please reach out
young spoke
Hey, joined because I need help building my own mechanical keyboard. I have buil...
how much money you got
what layout do you want
what type of switches do you want
grand schooner
what layout do you want
$100 USD
96%
not sure between brown and red, i need more info on sound and feel
young spoke
definitely get a switch tester
switch testers will help with the feel side
sound wise that’s a lot of personal preference
my personal recommendation would be an ak992
grand schooner
my personal recommendation would be an ak992
i definitelyyyyyyyyy know what that is
young spoke
then if you don’t like the switches or just want a change you have a lot of left over budget to work with
young spoke
i *definitelyyyyyyyyy* know what that is
this
basically a 75% with a numpad and some extra macros to the right of it
a keychron v5 max is another safe bet if you want to look for that
grand schooner
definitely get a switch tester
could you please suggest one?
young spoke
most you’ll find on amazon will work great
if you want a fucking massive one a keychron 100 max will absolutely have enough switches
grand schooner
young spoke
absolutely
the main thing is finding out what you want in a switch
that probably won’t have exactly what type of switches you like but it will help you figure out if you want a certain type
for me i figured out what i wanted years ago when testing cherry mx browns and panda clears a light (more then mx brown) tactile bump with a spring weight in the 45g~ range
fervent breach
Hey, joined because I need help building my own mechanical keyboard. I have buil...
buy a fc980c
young spoke
this is 1800 layout
that’s what the 96% layout is too bro
don’t get a fc980c
this guy just shills topre at every chance
grand schooner
buy a fc980c
that may or may not be 2.5 times my budget 💀
fervent breach
that may or may not be 2.5 times my budget 💀
to meet god you must pay
grand schooner
to meet god you must pay
shut up bruh
fervent breach
shut up bruh
grand schooner
threatening a minor I see.
fervent breach
that’s a cat actually
Also do you think i am an adult or something
I am not your parental guardian
grand schooner
I am not your parental guardian
wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy
fervent breach
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN
flat dock
it means you done messed up
clear bison
do yall know about the seiya switch on prebuilt leobogs
worldly garden
threatening a minor I see.
I dont see him threatening anybody
worldly garden
feeding my thinkpad addiction
deep umbra
shut sierra
this guy just shills topre at every chance
Topre is end game assuming you don’t care about the features of Hall effect
shut sierra
Especially if you’re gonna be doing long typing sessions, topre super comfy
shut sierra
it’s 3x that guys budget
Oh well idk about what he was asking lol
Im just glazing topre à lil bit more 😎
Although with that said, my philosophy is buy once cry once, I’d rather invest I’d rather invest in something nice I will enjoy and will last me a lifetime rather than bug a few budget boards over the years, but I totally understand if you don’t have the means for something that costly at the moment
flat dock
I need an hhkb to find out if its true
worldly garden
Topre is end game assuming you don’t care about the features of Hall effect
oh been months since u arre back herre
thocc kidnapped you
worldly garden
Although with that said, my philosophy is buy once cry once, I’d rather invest I...
u might need to say this to someone who owns 16 monsgeek keyboard right now
young spoke
Although with that said, my philosophy is buy once cry once, I’d rather invest I...
budget keyboards are good enough to last
a £50 board can easily last a couple years if you don’t abuse it
shut sierra
thocc kidnapped you
Lmao for real, i only checked here because of the message your forwarded in the other server hahaha
shut sierra
a £50 board can easily last a couple years if you don’t abuse it
Couple years is manufactured e waste, not sustainable for your wallet or the planet
shut sierra
I get being on a budget, but I wish reliability and longevity were more prominent, rather than pumping out chinesium
If you have to buy a keyboard every 2-5 years, and you play games from 20-40 years old, that’s 4-10 keyboards lmao
Big waste
But also that’s just my personal values
Everyone thinks differently
young spoke
If you have to buy a keyboard every 2-5 years, and you play games from 20-40 yea...
that’s not bad
fervent breach
when i finish the epic website rewrite
this includes me figuring out design challenges so give me like 7 months
fervent breach
i can’t tell with you lil bro
no man thye need to buy a titanium heavy 9
and put bke redux extremes in it with beige zhuyin
trust me
i love naming everything expensive i can think of
worldly garden
no man thye need to buy a titanium heavy 9
fervent breach
every image ive seen of norb he looks so concerned
shut sierra
that’s not bad
That is atrocious
fervent breach
oh true
shut sierra
I didn’t know you hung out around here it’s nice to see you sir
shut sierra
I’m an infrequent visitor lol but Lee forwarded a message so I came to check it out
fervent breach
i see
shut sierra
i only recently have been active here though
Fair enough 🙂
Oki back on the road I’ll talk to y’all later
fervent breach
googbye
fiery sail
are there any decent 5k+ monitors?
like besides apple studio displays i can only find 5ms 60Hz monitors for 750-1500€
while the same for 4k costs 150€
i was kinda hoping i could get some 6k monitor for indie games with basic features for less money than a GPU would cost to run AAA titles in that resolution
fervent breach
i was kinda hoping i could get some 6k monitor for indie games with basic featur...
buy apple studio display
or just use 4k
umbral imp
Anyone know any vertical gpu mounts that would work wi the a Corsair 6500x case?
fervent breach
Anyone know any vertical gpu mounts that would work wi the a Corsair 6500x case?
is this really a peripheral
worldly garden
@young spoke
worldly garden
are there any decent 5k+ monitors?
like besides apple studio displays i can only...
buy a tv at this point
full plover
i was kinda hoping i could get some 6k monitor for indie games with basic featur...
Know said don't care about AAA but really that's the only place you find games that have enough texture resolution for that kind of screen resolution to actually make any sort of difference, granted vector graphics will look crispy on 6k display they are really made for authoring 4k content so have some real estate to have controls and can still see full 4k end result
Also also most games struggle to run at decent framerates above 2560x1440, every pixel is more GPU calculations and 6k is adding lots of pixels, at that version of 1440 looking at 3 million pixels go up to 6k and it's roughly 21 million pixels, 7 times more processing
fiery sail
Also also most games struggle to run at decent framerates above 2560x1440, every...
iirc i was hitting 800FPS in hades 1440p bc thats the games hard cap even if set to unlimited.
i think on that front im gonna be fine
and i had the idea after seeign someone getting 500FPS in stardew valley bc thats stardews ingame hard cap and they got there with a 3060ti in 6k
but at current pricing its just not feasible
150 for 4k, 750 for 5k and 1500 for 6k and those apple studio monitors have advertised response times of 12-16 ms
so real world its just gonna be a ghosting and blur mess
like i could get 4 4k monitors or 2 ultrawide 4k with much better picture quality and spend a fraction of the money.
full plover
at 400FPS the response time would have to be less than 2.5ms and frequency of monitor obviously above 400Hz it's just in realm of generating lots of frames to throw away anyway, anything above your display refresh rate is completely pointless
fiery sail
yeah obviously
full plover
so big number go up is all you're after?
fiery sail
no that was just to confirm my GPU (4070) wont struggle with games such as hades to get playable FPS even at more than 4k
nobody needs 500FPS in stardew valley xD
and im planning to get a 3rd monitor for my setup, and i was goign to just get some random 60 Hz office monitor for dirt cheap, either 1080p or 1440p
but that person who had a 1440p display for AAA titles and a 6k display for indie games inspired me to go higher
until i saw the pricing of those
full plover
yeah I mean I can play Doom dark ages here on 4k if I'm willing to accept low settings on basically everything else (3070 8GB card), but definitely more acceptable frame rates and can trade off some quality settings if run at 1440, games like Shapez 2 can run 4k no problem though or more chill paced games
fiery sail
4k is just kinda pointless for me bc my 1440p monitor has ful larray local dimming so i would never switch to basic 4k for any game (while tanking framerate)
and im planning to go 4k OLED next summer anyway, alongside the required GPU upgrade
full plover
Have a 4k at 144Hz, is nice for text and everyday browsing stuff but yea games I am still typically dropping resolution to get some frames back
fiery sail
thats why im going either 5k+ or dirt cheap and i see no reason not to go cheap
also the cheapest 4k monitors are IPS with terrible response times so i would absolutely never game on that over my 1440p
fiery sail
there would be open box 8k TVs with 4ms advertised response times for 600€ but for the same money i could just get a new 4k OLED.
how tf are they selling these if going from 4k to 5k is literally 5x the price, 8k about 10x
fervent breach
there would be open box 8k TVs with 4ms advertised response times for 600€ but f...
ask them
stuck dew
I'm looking for a new keyboard. Something sub $60 with browns or other tactile switches. TKL or 75%. Bonus if it's beige.
flat dock
I'm looking for a new keyboard. Something sub $60 with browns or other tactile s...
perhaps keychron V1 or V3, about $60
stuck dew
perhaps keychron V1 or V3, about $60
If only it was in stock... I've been looking at Keychron for awhile but they're never in stock at Keychron and they're quite a bit more on Amazon.
worldly garden
there would be open box 8k TVs with 4ms advertised response times for 600€ but f...
5k isnt as popular
worldly garden
If only it was in stock... I've been looking at Keychron for awhile but they're ...
c3 pro
sick flint
Has anyone had experience buying keyboards from sites like Temu? Are they legit? Do they work?
tardy saddle
Has anyone had experience buying keyboards from sites like Temu? Are they legit?...
0/10 cannot recommend buying anything from Temu. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=temu+scam
sick flint
0/10 cannot recommend buying _anything_ from Temu. https://www.youtube.com/resul...
I mean some of there stuff is decent, I just never tried there tech. But Temu can’t be THAT bad
sick flint
I just gave up and bought a more legit one on Amazon
But
Now I’m looking for Jade style keycaps if anyone knows where I can get any for a good deal
sick flint
0/10 cannot recommend buying _anything_ from Temu. https://www.youtube.com/resul...
Do you got any keycap recommendations?
(I’m buying a Ajazz AK820 Pro)
tardy saddle
Yup - when I need replacemetn Cherry MX stem keycaps, I just purchase Razer or Steelseries PBT keycaps - whichever is on sale for under $40 CAD. I'm very utilitarian, so don't believe in spending oodles of money on keycaps.
sick flint
Yup - when I need replacemetn Cherry MX stem keycaps, I just purchase Razer or S...
Thoughts on the keyboard of choice though? I don’t plan on spending much on key caps
tardy saddle
Thoughts on the keyboard of choice though? I don’t plan on spending much on key ...
I haven't looked at keyboards since buying my Logitech G710+ back in 2012, so no thoughts here.
sick flint
Fair enough lol, I’m just looking at keyboards since I got mine from a Facebook marketplace store for 25 dollars
flat dock
Does it not come with keycaps
sick flint
Does it not come with keycaps
It does but ion really like them that much
The colours are nice but the purple doesn’t really match with the setup
Ik it’s picky but it’s gonna really annoy me
tardy saddle
This is why I've stuck with black keycaps - Black (or White) keycaps are neutral, and thus kind of go with anything.
flat dock
I feel like black could look weird on a silver keyboard
sick flint
My setup isn’t black so
flat dock
Ah
tardy saddle
My setup isn’t black so
Neither is mine. 🤣 Especially with the bright / colorful Norther Lights Deskpad from LTTStore.com
flat dock
depends how much you want to spend on keycaps
sick flint
Neither is mine. 🤣 Especially with the bright / colorful Norther Lights Deskpad...
Yeah but it won’t match at all. And I like that typa thing yk
flat dock
that might be a challenge
sick flint
I hope not
flat dock
darn it looks like the novelkeys sale ended, now I won't be tempted to buy more gmk keycaps
tardy saddle
25 dollars
Um, yeah $25 CAD is pushing it. Even Razer / Steelseries cheapo keycaps are $40 CAD regular price.
sick flint
Well if you don’t buy name brand its mostly 30 dollars
flat dock
I think aifei exists. I have no idea if they're actually good. They're supposed to be pretty good for their dirt cheap price
sick flint
I could probably push to that Lwk
flat dock
are Razer/steelseries keycaps even worth $40
sick flint
No
flat dock
If its the same stuff on their keyboards stock...
tardy saddle
As far as I know, they're an "upgrade" from what comes stock on their keyboards. The Amazon listing is overpriced right now because it's a third party seller. When sold by Amazon directly, they should be $40 CAD.
sick flint
I’m pretty sure they’re all overpriced for what your getting
Idk I don’t think I’m the biggest fan of razor keycaps
They feel cheap
And they’re on every keyboard
(When I’m talking about 30 dollars I’m talking about before tax)
sick flint
I mean I could use Ali Lwk
flat dock
you could look at aifei keycaps although they're abs and probably will sound different
sick flint
Ok
sick flint
Do they ship to CAD?
flat dock
Idk probably
sick flint
So uh I looked, and I got no results
At all
I mean I got some but most are just keycaps
flat dock
what kind of color are you looking for on the keycaps
sick flint
White/blue
worldly garden
Has anyone had experience buying keyboards from sites like Temu? Are they legit?...
temu is a meme for a reason
fiery sail
Has anyone had experience buying keyboards from sites like Temu? Are they legit?...
just in case you are thinking about it for future purchases/other stuff than keyboards:
aliexpress/alibaba/buyee etc. are fine and marketplaces just like amazon, but with worse safety measures.
scams happen on all these platforms, but amazon (despite how much i hate all their other business practices and how they treat workers, including children in developing countries) actually tries their best to make it tough for scammers.
aliexpress and the others you have to make sure yourself you are buying from a seller who has sold a lot of products and has a lot of reviews, then you are very safe as well.
with temu its a totally different story. temu relies on fake and knockoff products and scammers on temu can fake purchases very easily, as well as reviews. and bc there is basically 0 buyers protection on temu, sellers and scammers ahve an easy time and nobody has to deal with returns. so 5/10 you get a fake product, 4/10 you receive nothing and 1/10 you get an actual product. its not worth it and in contrast to aliexpress where you can be 99% sure its real when you do it currectly, on temu there is virtually nothing to improve your odds.
sick flint
just in case you are thinking about it for future purchases/other stuff than key...
Alright I’m just making sure because I’m currently not the wealthiest rn. And if I can get the same product for half the price I will.
But I do think some of there products aren’t that bad
worldly garden
But I do think some of there products aren’t that bad
u can try if u are secured with a return method
what keyboard you are looking for
fiery sail
100%
and none of those websites are anything close to be happy about supporting.
like i would love to say X is worse than Y, dont buy on Y. but tbh, the way temu handles their customers is nothing compared to what amazon does to their workers.
they all have their pros and cons on that front.
but on temu you are basically guaranteed to buy multiple times (and not in a good way)
if you want to see yourself there are plenty of videos of people buying equipment for a specific hobby, even keyboards, rock climbing, or just mystery boxes and you can see for yourself that when you buy on temu, you buy twice, and the 2nd time wont be on temu.
and actually getting a return on temu is bordlerline impossible, winning the lottery twice in a row might be more likely.
and even if you get one you have to pay the shipping cost twice, which on aliexpress is often free and amazon even has free returns in most cases/ you can get a free month of prime
sick flint
what keyboard you are looking for
I found the same keyboard (double the price) on Amazon. It was the Ajazz AK820 Pro
sick flint
100%
and none of those websites are anything close to be happy about supporting....
It’s not that, I haven’t seen people do updated reviews on their tech products. They say they work but have bad keycaps. But some say after a month they usually break
fiery sail
i think its hipyo tech who always comes back to products they use regularly after a review and only reviews if used for at least a week.
might have been somebody else but in the keyboard space those definitely exist
green goblet
So i bought a pair of Hifiman Sundaras back in 2021 and they finally crapped out on me. Any recommendations for closed-back headphones of a similar price point/quality?
green goblet
fair
fiery sail
the guys who can help u will just not look here 😄
green goblet
tyty
fiery sail
np mate
sick flint
i think its hipyo tech who always comes back to products they use regularly afte...
He does keyboards, but he doesn’t review like Temu stuff
fiery sail
i mean
why would he?
you dont really need to come back to temu products as they are shit on arrival and noone will be willing to use those daily
revisiting a product only makes sense if its good on arrival and gets worse
not if its already terrible
sick flint
Fair enough
fiery sail
and for those you can just search for temu keyboard reviews on youtube
sick flint
I’ve checked and he hasn’t done a review on the keyboard I’m interested in
fiery sail
and see yourself how awful they are
sick flint
He has on the Aula F75 (I’m guessing you know what it is if your into keyboards)
fiery sail
like i'd be all for it if a website offered keybaords at reasonable prices.
i want to upgrade from my 40€ rubberdome i bough almost 15 years ago but to get anythign meaningful i need to psend over 100€
thats just BS
im the first person to advocate for someone doing that
fiery sail
i need ISO DE layout
fiery sail
well i live in germany and need my Ä Ö Ü
sick flint
So you need an 85?
fiery sail
85% or more, hotswappable ISO DE
fiery sail
had a TKL and dont want to miss my numpad again
sick flint
I wouldn’t want a keyboard bigger then 75 percent
I realized I don’t need a numpad at all so
fiery sail
i ahve a selfmade desk witha 2.2x1.4m plane with some side panels that are liek 60x40
so i have like infinite space
sick flint
No it’s just annoying
fiery sail
the most important thing that num row cant do is actually unicode symbols