peripherals

[vivid olive]

also the butterfly was pretty good for some things just comically unreliable

[flat dock]

Uh they're membrane switches if so

[wheat warren]

oh

[vivid olive]

definitely takes getting used to if you normally use a high travel keyboard

[flat dock]

Membrane but they built 80% of a MX switch on top for some reason

[vivid olive]

you gotta train your fingers to type lighter but eventually you get crazy fast

[flat dock]

see its not that because I don't mind butterfly

[vivid olive]

wow

[vivid olive]

wild

[flat dock]

I think the positioning is just so weird

[wheat warren]

im typing on a butteryfly keyboard right now

i honestly like it

i got used to it

tho

i hated it at first

[vivid olive]

very nice for short bursts

[flat dock]

I don't mind butterfly because I can type perfectly fine on it, the apple magic keyboard for some reason I can't

[vivid olive]

i find that hard to believe

[flat dock]

I think its something about the flatness of it

[wheat warren]

the old apple macbook keyboard (like my old 2017 macbook air) idk if yall have tried that but man thtas hoenstly #1 for computer keyboards

[flat dock]

It's just not right

[vivid olive]

i feel like there’s something else at play other than the inherent design of the keyboard

[flat dock]

it feels like its the wrong size

[fervent breach]

@wheat warren if you do end up buying a hhkb theres some things to keep in mind btw

1. you cannot buy any old keycap set and put them on a hhkb, they use topre stems
2. you can replace several parts of a topre switch, like the slider, housing, dome, and silencing ring
3. the tactility in a topre switch comes from the dome, not the spring
4. they are electrocapacitive switches, basically relying on capacitance to detect the keystroke
5. you can buy replacement domes, keycaps, pcbs, etc from some enthusiast sellers or companies like deskeys

also hhkbs arent the only topre boards, leopold fc660c / 980c exist along with the entire very extensive realforce lineup

[wheat warren]

ok

what about realforce keyboards

[fervent breach]

what about them do you wanna know

[wheat warren]

r they as good sa the hhkb

cuz im seeing they use the same keys

those topre keys

[fiery sail]

@boreal rivet

[flat dock]

oh god

[boreal rivet]

hhkb is 45g only

[flat dock]

calling in the reinforcements

[boreal rivet]

realforce has 30g 45g and 55g

they dont sell 55g anymore

[flat dock]

does dome weight change the bottom out force or is it just the tactile bump peak

[boreal rivet]

and some boards have variable weight domes

[vivid olive]

how bad are vegan leather mousepads for gaming? considering i’ll be using a 56g mouse with ptfe skates

[boreal rivet]

horrible

[vivid olive]

okay but like i am not a hardcore gamer and really don’t play many super competitive games, exactly how horrible is it

[wheat warren]

for mouses

i dont really know much guys

how is this?

in micro center

[wheat warren]

oh

gotcha

[vivid olive]

this is a bit rude but maybe if you don’t know absolutely anything about picking out a micr try searching for a review of that mouse and see what some guy who reviews mice says

[wheat warren]

i usually do look at reviews

idk why

[vivid olive]

it’s a much more personal decision than some other purchases

[wheat warren]

i think im j a little lazy tdy

btw thank you 5qr1 bbavonc

and. u too

for the keyboard stuff

[bitter oar]

it’s fine

[vivid olive]

if you’re willing they’re are some incredible deals on used and open box mice on ebay

i assume lots of store returns end up there, so it’s not hard to find something minimally used

[wheat warren]

wow

[vivid olive]

yep, and this isn’t even close to the best i’ve seen

ebay is pretty low sketch these days too

[wheat warren]

i hope they dont develope the double click issue

ive had one reletively new logi mouse do it

[vivid olive]

rip

[fiery sail]

i just wanted the guy to say "realfornce is better" and leave like every other time xD

didnt think there was someone who can actually respond in a human way behind the profile

[flat dock]

fr

[wheat warren]

this gotta be the best deal

[bitter oar]

gpx nowadays is meh for the price

you have gazillion mouse options with similar shape

also few have imo better open source software

[fiery sail]

@fervent breach if ur still up im available now

[proud cosmos]

NOOO, not the 2 AA battery mouse ...

[vivid olive]

heavy mouse

[bitter oar]

rechargeable AA batteries btw

but yeah hefty mouse

you can also replace the battery inside a mouse in case it's worn or dead

[young spoke]

for £40 what do you guys think

i think that switch is a homoo sea salt

for reference

[gentle frost]

guys is the easymx x20 any good? Its selling for 40$ from where I am buying

[opaque bough]

anyone know where to get good desk pads? preferably with some designs on it and not just plain

[native sundial]

You’re not gonna believe this but: lttstore.com

[opaque bough]

overpriced

goes from $40 CAD to $82 CAD after shipping

I already have one too it's just ruined from the dryer

[silent saffron]

superlight not even worth $55 anymore

[silent saffron]

xraypad

[young spoke]

get a cookie monster one for £7 off aliexpress like me (ignore the ewaste peripherals i kept these for like 2 months then ditched them)

honestly best mouse pad i’ve used

[silent saffron]

matrova also allow for custom pads at a reasonable price

[opaque bough]

is it normal for this site to be insanely slow

[young spoke]

no?

is your internet good?

[opaque bough]

the images are struggling to render in lmfao

1gig

[young spoke]

works perfectly fine for me on 50mbps

[silent saffron]

hoenstly their website sucks. look on aliexpress

[young spoke]

always check aliexpress

[silent saffron]

aliexpress my beloved

[opaque bough]

the prices make me think it's gonna be absolute ass

[silent saffron]

xraypads are good

https://x-raypadcustommousepad.aliexpress.com/store/1102744126/pages/all-items.html?productGroupId=40000003973051&spm=a2g0o.store_pc_home.pcShopHead_2005084691060.1_0&storeId=1102744126&sortType=bestmatch_sort&shop_sortType=bestmatch_sort

their official ali store

[ember meadow]

hey fortinte

I need some help

does anyone know if low profile switches accept any keycaps?

looking to get this bad boy, but I want to change it some cooler keycaps

[young spoke]

yes

[ember meadow]

ohhh nice

[bitter oar]

no

most low profile switches don’t accept standard sized cherry/oem/etc… keycaps

even something like tecsee medium will not accept 100% of keycaps, i believe cherry is a problem for them, and that’s not the most lp switch

[worldly garden]

clean that keyboard geez

[worldly garden]

low profile keycaps

[flat dock]

from logitech unless it says "MX", they're custom keycaps entirely and not compatible with anything else

and looking for that should work for other brands too i believe

[vivid olive]

all the ones from aliexpress for me have had issues

[vivid olive]

in the same boat rn, check if drop.com has anything you like in your price range

[red pendant]

I got the gamakay tk75he ~a year back, and a friend wants me to pick out a keyboard for him around like 80-110$, is the one i have the best bet or is there anything better?

for gaming

[worldly garden]

save ur momney and get a nano68

[red pendant]

hall effect?

[young spoke]

it’s a mouse pad there’s not a lot to fuck up there

[fiery sail]

there is, a lot
depends on the user tho

[young spoke]

it’s just a bit of woven fabric innit

[fiery sail]

with mousepads its very easy to have a specific material/design/etc. that you get very used to and switching can be very bad for a long time

[young spoke]

fair

[fiery sail]

i for example use a roccat alumic, which is colpetely solid

and i could never go back to soft mousepads

not sayign they are bad or anything

it just feels awful in my whole body usign a mouse anywhere else

[young spoke]

there’s soft ones?

[fiery sail]

yeah like.. 98% of mousepads

[young spoke]

i’ve never used a soft mousepad lol

[flat dock]

whaaaaaaaat

I've only ever used like 1 hard mousepad in my life

those cheap dell plastic top mousepads

[young spoke]

oh those are ass

[fiery sail]

and trust the world is large enough that there are hundreds of people out there who would never use sth else

than those plastic ones

[flat dock]

now I have some random fabric mouse pad which is currently low friction enough for me

[fiery sail]

bought my mousepad back in 2013 when i was still in school (like 7th grade back then or sth) and i brought my mousepad to school with me whenever i had programming classes

or on wednesdays i went to my grandmas place after school and would play on her computer for a bit so i had it with me for wednesdays as well bc i couldnt handle other mousepads

[glass marsh]

Asus something, 165hz 27 inch and that's all I know. It's just it's sorta been dying over time. Like degrading, it's not any of my pc just the monitor, but it sort of just every now and then brakes more then I have to go down in one step with the refresh rate

[fiery sail]

do you know if its 1080p or 1440p and do you have some core specs of your PC for me, like CPU and GPU?

also would you still be happy to use it as a second monitor?

[harsh hazel]

looking for a new keyboard under £100 either tlk or full no blue switches any recomendations

[fiery sail]

so i was thinking about fancy PC cases for my next daily driver PC, which will be after AM5, so somwhere 2027-2029 so i wanted to do a reality check before the thought becomes engraved into my brain and then later realising its just not feasible/too expensive or sth.
im not talking hytey70 touch but more like a tank or creeper PC, something you wouldnt immediately think its a PC or that is really out of the ordinary.

do you know some either not 2k$ ones or how difficult it would be to build something myself?
im neither skilled nor terrible at woodworking and other handmade stuff and i dont have a workshop for it but quite some tools and help fro mfriends and neighbors if i need to

ofc there is a LOT of time and things can and will change, just want some insights to get at least a tiny grasp on it

[vivid olive]

they managed

[ember meadow]

ohhh

[ember meadow]

bruh

[ember meadow]

guess im passing the logitech
thanks

gonna grab the aula f108 pro

[young spoke]

new keycaps

[flat dock]

that is a small keyboard

[young spoke]

true

(rotated) 60%

looks great but sounds ass

[civic iris]

is it worth switching from ajazz ak872 to royal kludge rk68 plus

all i have to do is switching the switches

[proper shuttle]

Any reqs for mic with or without boomarm

[flat dock]

try just a few at first and see if you like it

[worldly garden]

made no difference at all

[civic iris]

Ive used it before, i replaced the rk68 plus because switches go crazy

[opaque flicker]

Has anyone gotten a Hansker vertical mouse? There haven't been many reviews about it other than Wired, it seems pretty cool

[worldly garden]

clone keycáps

man

[young spoke]

bruh

how are they clones they are literally just blue

no mode key is a pain

it’s not as if i’ve ever used it but not having it and having to use super is annoying

[worldly garden]

buy aifei man

clones

[young spoke]

everyone said this and i literally couldn’t find them

even on aliexpress

[worldly garden]

https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005006247494889.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.7.6dfc303fIYu4SY&algo_pvid=91da8d98-5301-4a9e-9112-6f5f0dc9cae7&algo_exp_id=91da8d98-5301-4a9e-9112-6f5f0dc9cae7-6&pdp_ext_f={"order"%3A"22"%2C"eval"%3A"1"}&pdp_npi=4%40dis!VND!1074861!494306!!!41.25!18.97!%40212e532617494544793622721e11ae!12000036457200976!sea!VN!0!ABX&curPageLogUid=mdPJ6H0o5g05&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch|query_from%3A

[young spoke]

so now you link it after i’ve already bought the other set

[worldly garden]

hey u never bothered to ask

thats alr

[young spoke]

whatever the only thing i really care about is material

at least they aren’t shitty abs

[worldly garden]

they arent shitty abs

esp the one i sent

i knew some seller ( which is my friend ) bought 5 set and mixed a RML out of it

should buy another foamboard for going out

bringing a thicky laptop and a alu keyboard means back pain

[young spoke]

has anyone put a LP keyboard in a laptop yet

[young spoke]

real

[worldly garden]

every laptop keyboard is lp ??

take alienware man

is lp mech inside

in their high end line ups

[young spoke]

my 60% fits perfectly on top of my laptop keyboard without getting in the way of the screen so it’s worth it

[young spoke]

mechanical

[worldly garden]

yes

[young spoke]

might get one then

[worldly garden]

alienware

back then acer 21 inch had a fullsize

[young spoke]

how can i convince my wife i need a £2000 laptop for work

[worldly garden]

u better get a thinkpad and save money

best laptop keyboard ever

[worldly garden]

x17 r1 is like sub 1k5

[young spoke]

might try and convince her i need a keycult

[worldly garden]

ew bro

good keycult price is ass

and the nk one... i dont want to talk about it

600$ or a full alu board is outrageous

[young spoke]

why hasn’t anyone made a tungsten keyboard

that will definitely give you back pain lmao

[worldly garden]

hyper 7 r4

ffull brass

u might want to check it out

@young spoke iff u want a good 65%

u should try krush 65 or dune 65

[young spoke]

nah

i buy exclusively the absolute cheapest keyboards

if it’s more then £50 i ain’t buying it

[worldly garden]

u just said u want a keycult

met an elitist keycult user 3-4 days ago

he is a dumbass

and mad

[young spoke]

it was a joke mf

[worldly garden]

😂

[young spoke]

anyway might

literally all i need is a reasonably sized ssd

the most intensive thing i’m doing on it is fucking terraria

[worldly garden]

i got a x1 carbon gen 7

ffor like 500

i7 10th gen 16gb/1TB

and a FHD+ touch screen

if u want a t14

buy the gen 3s

[young spoke]

bruh

[fiery sail]

does the left one have a hidden apple logo somewhere?

[young spoke]

real

why is it literally 5x the price

left one doesn’t even have a dgpu

[fiery sail]

im sure i could find one on german used market for 4k €

"bought it for 4.5k so its worth at least 4"

[young spoke]

ok i think this one is just trolling

[worldly garden]

LOL

[fiery sail]

ONLY 3 LEFT BUY BEFORE ITS GONE!!!1!!!11!ONE!!

[young spoke]

it’s got a “512GBB SSD Hard Disk”

that’s what the listing says

[fiery sail]

i mean

SSDs are pretty hard disks if u ask me

[worldly garden]

@young spoke

[worldly garden]

is "solid state" so it is hard

[young spoke]

dang

my budget is like £300 though so i think a gen 1 is the best

[worldly garden]

gen 6 x1 is 270

[worldly garden]

i just searched

[fiery sail]

does it have to be a thinkpad?

[worldly garden]

those graphic cards wont do anything

[fiery sail]

or what are your essential specs?

[young spoke]

they just generally seem the best

[young spoke]

cpu/igpu anything good enough to run terraria at most and 256gb of storage

[worldly garden]

anything gen 10 and newer can run smoothly

[young spoke]

preferably 512gb since most £300~ laptops have 512 anyway

[worldly garden]

terraria isnt triple A to be ffair

[young spoke]

terraria quite literally can run on a usb drive microchip

[worldly garden]

even an used x1 carbon is good

because it is flagship

[young spoke]

it’s at most 2x as hard as doom is

anything with a cpu from the last 10 years will run it at 60fps

[worldly garden]

hell buy a P serires

thats pure IBM horse power

[young spoke]

where you finding those lol

[young spoke]

this one’s better imo

3 gens newer cpu and 2x storage

[worldly garden]

well is up to you

x1 is flagship

u will feel the premium of it

[young spoke]

flagship from 10 years ago is worse then mid range 5 years ago lol

link it anyway i’ll add it to the list

[worldly garden]

https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Thinkpad-Carbon-2560x1440-Ultrabook/dp/B07T1DR4VY/ref=sr_1_8?crid=1DRLC7Q3ASLY8&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.bITvK9GCRSbALGqACtkbtTIouVsJOm1RPw0Yz5aOhAUkDASWjq-n3RP4CjKXACb5AsQ6XDyzt80AIfPrX-kAZTeMEIcGMS2OPj837lKsQkAdhHXQUVDof3V30JTdJZ-4H0EwFmAjpfOq9bu9HK2vr_Yc1A3-Tc1PqN6bf4Vh3G4SAgIPsEB-80fYfTwvcFeRxKdyXvMJc7j_gmb7N_Gt0Y6GTw9k7d3x1OuWnPtY8bw.L4E9rO1C0oapIUHnUIfH2vKr-neRiLYOrK9HZ7uufVU&dib_tag=se&keywords=x1+carbon&qid=1749456499&sprefix=x1+carbo%2Caps%2C377&sr=8-8

[young spoke]

maybe?

[worldly garden]

is magnesium alloy carbon whatever classis

[fiery sail]

i might have this one for u

[worldly garden]

IT FEELS SO GOOD

[young spoke]

worse then the other one but 1tb storage might be better

[fiery sail]

checking UK shipping rn

[worldly garden]

but attracts fingerprints

[fiery sail]

should be 280 GBP or lower including shipping

[young spoke]

fucking amd bro

[worldly garden]

i bought my mom a dell

with r5 8640 HS

what a power house

[young spoke]

dang

[fiery sail]

would you be interested in that one before i check Uk shipping?

[young spoke]

think this the best bet

[young spoke]

if you link it i’ll look directly to my address

[worldly garden]

just rechecked it

is refurbished

if u have no problem with used products

[fiery sail]

oh wait, german keyboard

xD

unlesss you dont care

[young spoke]

that’s fine

[worldly garden]

@young spoke beside x1 u can check for their workstation serires

those are bulky and reliable

like P serires

or x1 extreme

[fiery sail]

https://geizhals.de/?cat=nb&xf=2991_480&asuch=&bpmin=&bpmax=&v=e&hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu&plz=&dist=

probably just the first 2 are interesting

[worldly garden]

the first 2 for me is an asus proart

and a mac pro m4

[fiery sail]

difference is only OS btw,

[young spoke]

sort by best price

[fiery sail]

lol isnt that the default?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07SVGL71F?linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&smid=A381YZMNAY0ZK0&creativeASIN=B07SVGL71F&tag=geizhals-am-21

what about this one?

dirt cheap actually

and its from mazon Uk

[worldly garden]

latitude is reliable lol

a good choice ì u want something which last forever

[young spoke]

actually not bad

got the same cpu as the other x1 carbon

[fiery sail]

when the german price comparison site is somehow the ebst at finding UK offers xD

[young spoke]

lmao

[fiery sail]

geizhals is fking amazing tbh

i wish pcpp was as good

[young spoke]

on the german keyboard thing i’m pretty sure it’s the exact same layout as uk iso just with german accents on some of the keys

[fiery sail]

"oh its not on amazon or newegg? a well we cant find it"

[young spoke]

there really needs to be pc part picker for laptops

[fiery sail]

its qwertz and u get the ä ö ü keys left fro menter at least

geizhals is basically like that

u have all the filters

[young spoke]

that website is amazing for finding deals

[fiery sail]

and it finds fking everything, at least if it ships to germany

[young spoke]

it has the same number of keys in the same place

just don’t look at your keyboard and you’ll be good

[fiery sail]

instead of entering every detail per component u just do it all at once

which is a little confusing tbh

pcpp is much easier to use, the price findign is just awful

and their compatibility check is also amazing

[young spoke]

i love the compatibility check

[fiery sail]

same

[young spoke]

for what it’s made for it’s absolutely perfect

[fiery sail]

probably the only reason i use pcpp sometimes still

[young spoke]

same

i mainly use it nowadays for finding the cheapest possible shit

[fiery sail]

but its kinda funny when people make a parts list for their budget

[young spoke]

i found a 2tb nvme for £60 there once

[fiery sail]

and then u just @ them and upgraded all of their components bc there were other offers pcpp doesnt find

i once got someone the exact same PC for 700 instead of 1.6k xD

i think genuinely their prices are so misleading its better if they left prices out or just put MSRP or something there

the average you can save when doing a build on pcpp has to be at least 15%
i'd say i usually save 25-30% but in case i misremember a lot (and sample size is small) 15% average is the bare minimum

and thats US

if u build uouside the US its even more

[fiery sail]

where?

[young spoke]

wonder what the battery life is on the latitude

i only realistically need 4-6 hours max but i can definitely work around a lower battery life if i need too

[fiery sail]

Power bank exist worst case

[young spoke]

yeah

[fiery sail]

chatgpt sais ~12 hours of light usage and 5-7 hours if u play terraria

take that for what u will

also the battery is easy t upgrade

there is a 68Wh one you can buy instead of the stock 42Wh

seems to be ~80 GBP tho

[young spoke]

5-7 hours is longer then a school day tbf

doubt i’ll need anything more then that

[fiery sail]

chatgpt is quite good at just calculating power draws

but its not perfect

[young spoke]

if its anything close to 7 hours i’ll be fine

[fiery sail]

and maybe you can find a plug for just 10 minutes in some break

or if u dont play the entire time nad do other things in the meantime

just to have the headroom

[young spoke]

would possibly be an idea to not play terraria while i’m teaching a class

i just thought about this some of the kids ill be teaching are younger then terraria itself

[fiery sail]

terraria just turned 14

damn

anyway, there is a certain roguelike tetris deckbuilder game that wasnt on anyones bingo list for 2025 that is calling my attention

[fierce mango]

What's the best monitor I could potentially get at $300 or less

1440p, ideally not oled because although they're pretty a cheap one would probably have some crazy burn in

[silent saffron]

probably the AOC Q27G3XMN

it is VA and only 180hz

if you want ips/higher hz then just say

[fierce mango]

I was looking at the AOC Q27G4XNE as per newegg reviews

[silent saffron]

thats a good display if you want ips

the AOC Q27G3XMN has actual HDR and still has pretty good motion clarity/response times

[fierce mango]

Cheapest I can seem to get it is $300, whereas I can get the one I was looking at for $160 or so

Would you say it's $140 better?

[silent saffron]

it all depends on what you want. monitor unboxed is a good channel to watch, they made a "best monitors of 2025 so far" video

[fierce mango]

I was looking at that video, and I definitely like my dark blacks

It looks like the Q27G3XMN (that's a long title to remember) is probably the better option since I like that

[silent saffron]

yeah HDR is amazing

[fierce mango]

Yeah, I think it's honestly probably worth it

I want the 5070TI and 7600X build I'm making to show off the graphics it can produce after all

[silent saffron]

🙏

enjoy

[fierce mango]

Thank you

[worldly garden]

Is mchose g7 and g3 a good mouse v

?

[ancient spear]

Hey I'm new here and I was looking for where I can get help and suggestions to buy a good keyboard
Am I in the right place? 😀

[worldly garden]

Yes

[ancient spear]

I would like to get some suggestions, if anyone could help :]

[worldly garden]

What is your budget

Desired layout and soubd ?

[silent saffron]

they're fine

better options out there. what is ur budget

[worldly garden]

Thanks

[silent saffron]

enjoy

they are still nice mice

[ancient spear]

Idk, the currency here is not dollars
But I would like to hear your suggestions anyways

[ancient jay]

What's the cutoff for shitty hall effects

As in, at what price point is it just better to get a normal mech instead of an HE keyboard

$100?

[worldly garden]

HE was never compared to mech

In terms of sounds and such

Is just a gimmick imo, and less likely average gamer eill benefit from those tech

[worldly garden]

Keychron prebuilts

[ancient spear]

Wdym by prebuilts

[young spoke]

dang the £40 keyboard isn’t shit

it has homoo sea salt silents on it

it’s hot swap (i kinda wanted silent switches anyway) and it’s actually not horrible

[ancient spear]

Is Keyboard AJAZZ AK680 a good choice? I really like its design

[fiery sail]

long story short
it depends.

what do you want in your new keyboard:

1. should it be quiet or can it be noisy as other keyboards?
2. do you want to feel a bump when your key is pressed or have the keys go down smoothly until they bottom out?
3. do you want RGB?
4. do you need a full keyboard or would you like to cut down on e.g. the num block or the F keys to have more desk space (and often save a little bit of money)
5. if you dont need your keyboard to be quiet, what sound do you prefer? it can be e.g. a deep sound, we call that "thocky", "creamy" describes itself perfectly and "clicky" or "clacky" are your typical keyboard sounds the first being a bit higher pitched and the latter in between clickly and thocky
6. is it important to you that it can be used wireless?

if you know the answer to most of these or need help with what you really want, then we can narrow your options down 🙂

[ancient spear]

It's my first time buying a keyboard cuz I'm a laptop guy

1. First time knowing that there's quiet keyboards, I thought everyone likes the sound of clicking 😅 but maybe not that noisy I would say
   2.Idk wdym by this but I play calm and competitive games so Iam a lil aggressive with the keys 😃that why I broke my laptop keyboard
   3.I don't really care about rgb but if it's not expensive why not
2. preferably with the F keys and right numbers keys
   6.Idk tbh, it depends if it's mid range and wireless why not but I'm good with only wired keyboard

[young spoke]

it’s a decent board

for £35 you can’t really do better new

you want a numpad and F row?

[ancient spear]

Yeah

[fiery sail]

the 2nd is about when you press a key on your current keyboard, you can feel a point where your key just gives in and basically presses itself, right?

[young spoke]

i’d get a switch tester

see if you want a tactile or linear switch

[ancient spear]

I was watching a vd and they mentioned "Magnetic Hall Effect Switches" is this what you talking about?

[ancient spear]

Welp it's my first keyboard so Idk what would I prefer 😀 but I'll make more research about it to fully understand

[fiery sail]

as 2012 suggested the best possible thing would be to get a switch tester, that way you can test a lot of different ones before you buy a full keyboard/switches

[young spoke]

if not linear switches are pretty inoffensive

ajazz linear switches are pretty good

just try what you think is good

[fiery sail]

HE (Hall effect) switches are very premium switches that offer advantages mostly tailored towards esports players with a few benefits that us normal humans can use, like prgramming a key to be walking when pressed less than half way and running when more than half

but most of the time you pay a premium that is rather unnecessary

[fiery sail]

idk about recommending linear switches blindly.
im certainly not an expert but switching from tactile to linear can be quite terrible and i personally dont want that experience ever again

the other way roudn is some getting used to, but when switching to linear, you will just have a lot of accidental key presses

(the amount of times i used my ult in league when i had linear switches was horendous)

[young spoke]

ajazz linear switches have a really long travel before actuation

[young spoke]

assuming they are coming from a tactile switch

[fiery sail]

ofc

[ancient spear]

Sorry but are these branches of linear switches or a keyboard name 😅
Also I found out that clicky switches don't fit me, they seem so fast with clicking them and pretty noisy

[young spoke]

a brand that makes switches (ajazz)

[ancient spear]

Oh ok, so they prob mention them beside the keyboard name

Oh it's the one that I liked "Keyboard AJAZZ AK680"

[worldly garden]

Epomaker

[heady dagger]

epomaker is ass

[worldly garden]

Geon make switches too

Buy those

[coral ferry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/555174573973438474/1382160585889943632/20250610_165738.jpg

[worldly garden]

Is this clack

[coral ferry]

No, it's click

[worldly garden]

Thocky piano

[coral ferry]

It's just a controler. and the keys are cheap. they arent weighted at all

[boreal rivet]

buy a realforce

[worldly garden]

Lube those mx blues

[coral ferry]

In the process of looking for my blood pressure machine, I have found I own 6 mechanical keyboards...

[worldly garden]

Cool

Why u have to make a blood pressure machine

[coral ferry]

not cool...mental problems

[worldly garden]

When u can buy one

[coral ferry]

make?

are you using a translator?

[worldly garden]

Oh mb

I thought u said make

[coral ferry]

I bought one a while back and got out of the habit of using it, but I kinda wanna use it again

[worldly garden]

Hmm ?

I would love to own 6 keyboard too if i have the space

[coral ferry]

IF i count the non-mechanical, I have about 2 or three more

and my midi controller...and my rockband keytar that has a midi port

[worldly garden]

I dont see any problem with having 9 keyboards

[coral ferry]

lol. thanks

[worldly garden]

What seems to be problem then

[coral ferry]

none of them are a blood pressure monitor

[worldly garden]

My grandparents each of them had one lol

[coral ferry]

on the plus side, i think I found a program that will let me load soundfonts and use my midi controller

[worldly garden]

Lol cool

U can sell those keyboards or havest those switches

Tidy it up abit

[ancient spear]

so after some reserch I think the keyboard should have these requirements (hot-swap, NKRO, anti-ghosting, PBT keycaps, USB-C, and gasket mount or foam layers I think they're the same) so AJAZZ AK820 or EPOMAKER EK68 provide them but no magnetic switches or rapid trigger which I think it's fine cuz magnetic switches just gives more durability I believe, correct me if I'm wrong
the problem is Idk if I can find these keyboards here cuz I'm buying locally not from online stores

[fiery sail]

buying local in most places means you are restricted to rubberdome keyboards.
i have never in my life seen a mechanical keyboard in a store once

magnetic switches give you less latency, which is only subconsciously. keyboard latency is already so low you dont notice it and HE switches can imprve that, but unless you are getting paid to play esports titles it doesnt make a difference.
the uses of HE keys that could interest you are that they dont only notice if a key is pressed or not but also how far it is pressed, meaning you can program a key to act like an analog stick on your controller.
20% pressed key → 20% steering
or 0-49% pressed means walking and 50-100% means running.

thats pretty much the only thing HE offers to a normal human being and imo not worth the price uplift for most people unless you are sitting on way too much money (at which point i would consider donating money, even to freinds or strangers or to charity, that will likely give both them and you more enjoyment out of the money)

[worldly garden]

Pbt keycaps ??

[ancient spear]

Yeah there's ABS and PBT keycaps

[worldly garden]

Pbt is abs

[ancient spear]

Are you sure !?

[worldly garden]

Pbt is abs, but is less abs than abs

Abs has less pbt than pbt

[worldly garden]

Lol is this chat gpt

[young spoke]

abs is horrible

they start feeling oily or greasy after a while

i’ve never felt that on a pbt cap

[ancient spear]

It is true that it makes mistakes sometimes, but it's better than opening bunch of sites to get one thing

[ancient spear]

exactly

[worldly garden]

sounds wised most people prefer abs

u have to be picky when choosing pbt keycaps else u will end up in terrible sets

[young spoke]

disagree

buy the absolute cheapest set you can find

[worldly garden]

which will ended up terrible

👍

made that mistake when i was new

pbt's , u should look out on xmi/crp

and aifei semi transperants

is such BS when pbt is considered more "premium", based on producers

[worldly garden]

like this chart here tries to bring abs down compared to pbt

[ancient spear]

AIs just collect people's overviews

most common things that people complain about using ABS or what they like about pbt, this how AI works

[worldly garden]

AI collect what people want to see, not 100% exactly what is true

[ancient spear]

I don't want my finger to slip while playing or notice the print disappearing on the keys after a while (UV printing)
which is another reason that stopping me from buying Keyboard AJAZZ AK680

[worldly garden]

ahh yes UV printing is slop

so what is ur budget dude

[ancient spear]

because it's based on their feedbacks

[ancient spear]

it's so complicated in my country cuz they don't use the actual price of 1dollar so prices here are doubled I would say under 50dollars

[worldly garden]

so what is ur budget in ur currency

[ancient spear]

hmmm below 10,000DA which is 74 dollars in reality but here it gets down to 45

[young spoke]

they feel fine

definitely feel better then abs

[worldly garden]

🤷

preferences

[brittle jay]

Anyone know a good place to get a hall effect ps5 controller

Other than scuff cuz that shits like $250

[native sundial]

See if 8bitdo makes some

I know they make Xbox controllers

[brittle jay]

Unfortunately they dont got any

[ionic briar]

gulikit?

but they are not exactly xbox controllers to begin with so ehhhh
might be more economical to buy their hall effect joystick and paid your local repair shop to switch them in

[brittle jay]

Ill have that as an option

[fiery sail]

so my tecware phantom 105 just arrived, which has outemu switches
i also got Outemu Cream Yellow Pro Silent switches from monacokeys as well as their silent lime V3
both switches wont fit into the keyboard, does anyone know why?

[young spoke]

show the keyboards pin holes

and the switches pins

like this

[fiery sail]

2nd one is the original switch

first one is the new ones that dont fit

[flat dock]

the pin looks bent, that might be the cause?

[fiery sail]

well now its bent 😄

[worldly garden]

what if its rivet

[flat dock]

just to make sure you're not trying to insert it upside down, right, the pins should be in the bottom

[fiery sail]

no thats not the problem

i undid 8 keys at first to have 4 of each to test

and slotting in the original switches was super easy

[worldly garden]

socket size too small

[fiery sail]

but the new ones were impossible, i tried 1 of each

the pins even slot into the holes but they are also too long and before bending it back it had like an S shape because the tip bent inside the hole

[worldly garden]

@young spoke https://keebhut.com/ they are having a close down sale, see if u can grab anything nice for cheap

sadge keeb hut

:<

[fiery sail]

but even with the pins down the switch wont go in

i also held the pins of the switches side by side

and besides the new ones being a few mm longer, they are otherwise almost identical in thickness

[young spoke]

£11 keycaps might be good

one of my keycaps already broke and another has a crack in the stem :(((

[worldly garden]

switch are on good deal too

get those last melodics

[young spoke]

nah i dont like those

[flat dock]

let me look

I don't have a full set of melodics

[worldly garden]

last 5 pack last time i updated

[flat dock]

not an instabuy kind of price

oh if there's no evene 110

their shipping is cheap though

[worldly garden]

if its insta buy do u think u will have the chance lul

[flat dock]

idk but there's no point buying if they're not

only a savings of like $7 on a full set of 110 after shipping vs milktooth prices now

if I could

[fiery sail]

omg my switches are 5 pin the keyboard is 3 pin

[young spoke]

clip the pins

[fiery sail]

already did that

[young spoke]

just cut the 2 plastic pins off

[fiery sail]

thats how i got the other pin S shaped

and while the key works

its also a little bit higher and the switch doesnt feel like its fully isnerted

you see that?

idk if i want to cut 210 pins tbh

(which also voids switch warranty)

[young spoke]

it doesnt void warranty

[fiery sail]

it does, i already got an email from monacokeys

[flat dock]

oh I see now, I don't think you clipped them flush enough

Idk why I thought that was just the natural molded in shape on the bottom because now its obvious

I wouldn't want to clip them either though

[fiery sail]

the ones that were clipped are at the bottom of the switch in the picture

if you meant those at the top, thats just some small stabilizer drops of plastic or sth

its the white point on the left that is missing on the right side

(just if this changes anything)

[flat dock]

This image

honestly you probably need to sand them

that's why I wouldn't recommend

[young spoke]

oh yeah those?

just sand

[fiery sail]

also this is how it came out

after working

xD

[flat dock]

oh god that bottom pin is fucked

[fiery sail]

yep

[flat dock]

its folded down

I had to clip pins twice ever, for a couple sockets on a keychron K10 that are only 3 pin for some reason, and I had to use a metal file to get them flush

never for a full keyboard

[worldly garden]

That switch is a waste now

U can try bend it back

[young spoke]

nah you can fix that

[worldly garden]

I know, will take a while

[flat dock]

With any luck you can bend it and it won't break

but it could

[fiery sail]

the problem is all of them would bend like this bc the side pin is too long for the hole and reaches the PCB way too soon

on the bottom its fien but the one on the right always bends like this

already got this far just with fingernails

[flat dock]

I think you need a new keyboard or 3 pin switches

[fiery sail]

only got 10 of each switches for a total of 11€ i think so its those

and the keyboard comes with metal switch puller

so i would rather stick with the keyboard

[worldly garden]

1 euro for a switch is crazy

[fiery sail]

although today started a quite amazign sale for the MSI forge GK310

32€

[flat dock]

this goes against my morals but possibly the TTC silent bluish white will make you happy

Or are you interested in silent linears

[fiery sail]

i will give linears another shot now that i can just test them

[worldly garden]

Those are mushy as hell

[fiery sail]

and tbh this is already much less terrible than wootings absolute garbage

[flat dock]

I don't have any silent linears to tell tbh

I wish lichicx wasn't dead because those wouldn't be mushy

[worldly garden]

Thocky keyboard

[fiery sail]

silent clicky Kappa

[worldly garden]

Outemu silents

[flat dock]

I have outemu silent yellow jade that's all

from outemu

[young spoke]

gimme some keycaps

also 11 mice?

[worldly garden]

Thats the place i shopped for mice yesterday

[young spoke]

they have enough lmao

[worldly garden]

Just got those duh

[young spoke]

never heard of that shi

[worldly garden]

Chinese mouse

They wont go wrong

Except attackshark

Chose this one specifically because they are the only one provided ergo mouse

[young spoke]

fuck attack shark

[worldly garden]

See ven you knows

I dont game so i dont give a fuck what kind of pawsensor inside it

Those are light for a big mouse 55g

[young spoke]

90% of sensors are perfectly fine

even for gaming the “shit” sensors are alright

[fiery sail]

for my desired formfactor there wasnt even a mouse with the newest paw sensor xD

if i buy a "no liguide" version of a switch, is it guaranteed 3 pin then?

the pictures are still with 5 pins

https://www.amazon.de/KPREPUBLIC-Tactile-Mechanical-Keyboard-LightGuide/dp/B0D775F1WC?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&language=de_DE&utm_source=chatgpt.com&th=1

[flat dock]

I highly doubt there's a 3 pin version of that switch

Where does it say that or what liguide means

[fiery sail]

chatgpt which is why confirming it beforehand xD

[flat dock]

that sounds about right for chatgpt

[fiery sail]

do you guys know where i can get 3 pin silent switches?
i got confirmed that the issue are the 2 extra pins but all the v1 outemus arent available anywhere.

[flat dock]

The only tactile ones I know are TTC silent bluish white

[fiery sail]

what the realforce guys name again?

can someone tag him with this picture?

everytime i see them i need to type "Renkforce is better" afterwards

xD

[boreal rivet]

cut the extra pegs off

[fiery sail]

Renkforce is better

[flat dock]

(they tried that)

i don't think renkforce is real

[fiery sail]

its real

its just a terrible knock off

[flat dock]

https://www.treatstock.com/machines/item/318-renkforce-rf1000

holy crap this thing is insane

Layer Resolution Low 100 micron (0.004 in.)
Layer Resolution High 50 micron (0.002 in.)

[fiery sail]

renkforce is an actual company that does computer hardware among other things

like i could buy that keyboard i sent for 5 bucks

its goona be utter garbage but it exists

if they have a 5€ silent keyboard i wil lgenuinely order it xD

its even an aluminum casing WTF

shipping is more than the keyboard itself I CANT

[flat dock]

i wanna buy an hhkb sometime but its such a large investment

[fiery sail]

whats special about hhkb? topre?

[bitter oar]

yes

[fiery sail]

but realforce has better topre?

[bitter oar]

i believe the switches are internally the same, maybe a different housings, or plate from the manufacturer of kb

[fiery sail]

whatever it is, renkforce is even better

[flat dock]

topre and the layout

i figure if im gonna buy a topre board i might as well double down

thats why i havent gotten a realforce tkl

[fiery sail]

they arent even that expensive

115 new

this 50% or whatever layout is way to minimalistic for me

[flat dock]

uh id like to see where you got that

theyre like $250-300 new in usa

[fiery sail]

just ebay

commercial account with 1k+ sails

https://www.ebay.de/itm/395261114573?_ul=DE&toolid=10001&customid=eb:g:vms:eb:p:395261114573;&gQT=3

[flat dock]

idk if i trust it to be honest

maybe market is different there

its like $150 used here

[fiery sail]

yeah its actually quite nice if when people have rights and the countrys economy isnt bent over backwards

[flat dock]

i think the economy is generally better here though than in eu

just used market doesnt reflect that

thats from experience trying to buy pc parts for people in other countries

[fiery sail]

good thing is u dont have to think as its well documented and pretty much u just run average wages vs purchasing power

https://www.socialeurope.eu/living-conditions-how-germany-outperforms-the-us

and by that the US gets u way lower living standards than other countries, as they have a solid GDP per capita, but that doesnt reach the average worker but gets stuck on billionaires

even more than in e.g. euopean countries

[fervent breach]

what

??1?1?1?1?1?1

realforce or hhkb don’t have “better topre” between them

[fiery sail]

bro stop getting mad about a question thats also a joke just so i can say "renkforce is better" to the "realforce is better" guy

[fervent breach]

lowkey an awful deal must say

also sorry i did not help u last time

[fiery sail]

all good mate

[fervent breach]

i got busy

and then forgot

[fiery sail]

heading to bed now, have a good one fellas

[fervent breach]

also this is used btw

hhkb pro 2s stopped production in like

i’d like to say 2019 but i don’t know

it could’ve been sitting a warehouse but yea

[fiery sail]

"Neu" is the gemran word for new

[fervent breach]

they are lying

[fiery sail]

if its indeed used thats free thousands of euros

as you can sue them for fals advertising

[fervent breach]

even if it was in a box for 6 years the domes would still age and probably wouldn’t be considered new by most

dome age is based on use too but Yeah!

[fervent breach]

u probably wouldn’t get a real case

[fiery sail]

no you wouldnt

dont even have to attend court

those things are settled by consumer protection

got my own case against wooting rn

[fervent breach]

would it really be possible on a random ebay seller though

of course there’s probably a company backing it

[fiery sail]

its a legit physical store as well

[fervent breach]

oh i see

[fiery sail]

you cant have an official seller account on ebay without properly exisiting

its not a user accoutn

[fervent breach]

u could definitely get a better deal on a charcoal hhkb pro 2 though

cough cough https://buyee.jp/ mercari

[fiery sail]

but a seller with 1k+ sold products on ebay

im not getting hhkbs

was just interested in price and looked up

[fervent breach]

yeah i’m just saying that for the love of the game

[fiery sail]

all good

really gonna go to bed now tho xD

[fervent breach]

joekay

[flat dock]

alright man

[fervent breach]

if u want a cheap hhkb… buy a charcoal pro 2 from mercari using a proxy service…

it’ll probably still be cheap even with tariffs +shipping to us

considering you can get them for like

as low as 55 usd with like a month of looking

but realistically ur looking at 70 usd

[fervent breach]

although i’m not a us citizen so i can’t really guarantee that

[worldly garden]

Pro 2 for 55 bucks ?

[flat dock]

that sounds like a scam

https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m10458418072/?ref=search_results

is there really an hhkb with a full arrow keys??

most are $200-300 though that I see

that's the only one I see below $180

there's one for $150 but the keycaps are all worn into pieces

[worldly garden]

duh u wont get a topre cheaper thn 100

this is not true HHKB

😭

[flat dock]

as in its not actually by PFU or as in its not the professional

is it not topre

[haughty ember]

whats a good budget ultrawide? like 32-34 inches. specs dont really matter i need this for a office PC

[prime mirage]

What racing wheel and pedals should I get for plus or minus $300

[tardy saddle]

How many hours per day will this be used, and what kind of office work?

[haughty ember]

dealership

uhhh

at least more than 50% of the day im sure

itll be on pretty much all day yeah

[tardy saddle]

Gotcha, so color acurracy isn't important, but being able to show customers car colors will likely matter. I would look for a sale on one of Dell's S or P series business monitors. U series would be nice, but they're more money.
https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/dell-34-plus-usb-c-curved-monitor-s3425dw/apd/210-brmv/monitors-monitor-accessories

[haughty ember]

alr bet, tysm

[fervent breach]

this is a like model

lite*

no topre

[fervent breach]

u definitely will lol

many many hhkb sell for like

the 60-90 range

specifically charcoal models in japan

[fervent breach]

there are hhkb with arrow keys though

hhkb pro jp and etc

just jis layout hhkbs

[fervent breach]

yes

possible with searching

[flat dock]

oh im only looking for ansi

[flat dock]

maybe only in japan

[fervent breach]

that’s why u use a proxy service

really good deals

in my opinion if u want a cool hhkb u should spend a little
more time and money

in japan still

[flat dock]

how do you switch to the japan market

[worldly garden]

hybrid ass

when

[fervent breach]

use https://buyee.jp or another proxy service

[fervent breach]

xianyu is way more annoying to buy from

[flat dock]

does buyee have an online shop

[fervent breach]

i just linked it?

buyee IS an online shop

[flat dock]

hmmm

[worldly garden]

they got proxy too lol

[fervent breach]

superbuy sure

again though

it’s just way more annoying

[flat dock]

how does pro 2 compare to the classic and hybrid

they seem the same

[fervent breach]

if you want good deals focus specifically on yahoo auctions jo and mercari

[fervent breach]

there’s a few differences

classic / hybrid (although they’re very different from 1 another) use usb c

compared to the pro 2’s usb type b mini

the pro 2 has a 2 port usb hub on the back

the pro 2 is much older running from 2006-2019(?)

[flat dock]

it wont let me search for different things wtf

[fervent breach]

and i’m pretty sure classic/bt/hybrid domes are age resistant

ALSO pro 2s have abs spacebars

imo pro 2 boards are better

[fervent breach]

?

by the way for the best deals stay on used marketplaces

[flat dock]

i have to go to the main page to change my search terms

[fervent breach]

e.g rakuten rakuma (the blue one, not the red one, also this one is not very active for hhkb)
yahoo auctions jp
yahoo fleamarket jp (not very active)
mercari

[fervent breach]

just scroll up

there’s a search bar at the top

[flat dock]

yeah it just changes back when i search

[fervent breach]

wait a second before hitting enter

you can use a different proxy service if you see fit

like https://sendico.com

but imo buyee has the best service regardless of kinda bad website

and sendico you have to know what ur looking at more on the website

[flat dock]

they have one hhkb classic

[fervent breach]

ur probably on yahoo auctions jp as that’s the default

if you search multiple marketplaces there’s going to be more

although no one really buys classics cause they’re lame and expensive ish

ALSO ALSO search terms can be really important on these proxy sites

like for example i have a scraper running to specifically notify me whenever a hhkb professional 1 is listed because they’re really rare and i want to buy them

my search term is “pd-kb300” which is the model number on the back of hhkb pro 1’s

this will also show me pd-kb300b, 300nl, and 300bn listings

although a 300bn listing will probably never be seen by my eyes

[flat dock]

how do you check multiple marketplaces

whats lame about the classic, it has usb c

that alone seems like a huge improvement

[fervent breach]

just click on mercari, rakuten raluma or yahoo fleamarket in the sidebar or under the search bar

i recommend mercari

mercari is the best

[fervent breach]

domes don’t age

[fervent breach]

also iirc they feel pretty significantly different to pro 2 domes

people also claim snow hybrids compared to regular hybrids feel different

i can’t really confirm because i don’t own a hybrid/classic/bt

[fervent breach]

this is preference though, if you like pro 2 domes and aged domes more you’ll like the pro 2 more

[flat dock]

isnt that a good thing

[fervent breach]

in my opinion no

i really like the heavier harsher feel of old domes

it’s preference but i think a lot of people would agree with me

also what’s cool is that you can just replace the pro 2 domes if you don’t like them

metakeebs has some new domes that were made to replicate the snow hybrid feel and apparently they’re really good

[flat dock]

whats that feel

[fervent breach]

i’m gonna buy some myself in 55g instead of 45g probably

[fervent breach]

i don’t own a snow hybrid but i’ve heard people describe it as like

bouncy

i think if you’re going to buy a hhkb you should start with a pro 2 because they’re much cheaper than the newer models and you might even prefer it

all down to you though

[flat dock]

im curious how similar itll be to my current keyboard with big bump silents

because theyre suppsoed to be similar apparently

[fervent breach]

probably not very similar

you’ll have to see

[flat dock]

if its like these but lighter it would be great

[fervent breach]

do u know how heavy the springs are

[flat dock]

57.5g bottom out, 62.0g peak tactile force

https://divinikey.com/products/lichicx-raw-switches?variant=40488105246785

[fervent breach]

i see

you’d probably have to get one to tell but hhkb pro 2 domes (and all other topre hhkb boards) came as 45g

[flat dock]

theyre equivalent to the invokeys daydreamer aparently

[fervent breach]

this is kind of wobbly though because of aging

i’ve heard people say they’re closer to 70g when they have had decent aging but imo i can’t reallly tell

[flat dock]

does the dome weight change the bottom out force

[fervent breach]

iirc 45g refers to 45g bottom out

i’m not fully sure though because it could refer to key actuation

[flat dock]

i guess it probably changes both

oh wait they would probably be the exact same number

because rubber dome collapses

or maybe it will feel like a soft version of the outemu pears....

how do i search more markets on buyee

oh

do i have to manually select one

thats not good

[worldly garden]

more expensive than mm

[flat dock]

$60 entries for keycaps

theres nothing on mechmarket

oh nobody types the model number on mechmarket

they say $160 shipped does that mean theyre paying shipping

[worldly garden]

yes

160 with shipping included

mostly conus deals

[flat dock]

Hi, I have a HHKB Pro 2 for sale today. It is lightly lubed with 205g0 and has Unreal Keyboards Silencing rings. I also have a set of MX sliders that will be included. The escape key currently has one of these MX sliders installed, but the original will also be included.

damn

[worldly garden]

im not a topre geek

[flat dock]

mx whoever guy says ytou should be

mxidjne

[silent topaz]

I'm thinking about getting a new keyboard and I had a Corsair K63 but it was mediocre. So I'm torn between getting some Keychron model or Ducky One 3. Any thoughts?

[young spoke]

budget?

[silent topaz]

max 150 €

[young spoke]

what form factor and what switch type

[silent topaz]

tenkeyless and brown/tactile

would be nice to have Linux compatibility or driverless setup

[native sundial]

They’re called browns cause they feel like shit

Didn’t hear it from me tho

[silent topaz]

blue is okay too but red switches are too light for me

[young spoke]

disagree

i like some brown switches

[young spoke]

keychron makes some great boards for that spec

the V3 max is a safe bet

or Q3 max if you can find it for cheap

[silent topaz]

okay i will check 'em out, thanks 🙂

[worldly garden]

Evo80

[silent topaz]

ok, I'll go with a Ducky one 3 with shine through RGB :p

hmmm or a Keychron with custom keycaps for shine through

[worldly garden]

if u already decided what is the point of asking us

[young spoke]

evo80 and the keychron v3 max are definitely better options

also shine through caps are readily available

[fervent breach]

if you want to find cheap pro 2s or general hhkbs search “hhkb”

model number only works well with pro 1s because they’re very obscure and hhkb professional is in a lot of listing names

[flat dock]

they're still expensivr

oh and they're all the BT only model

I found 3 at $130

"HHKB Professional HYBRID Type-S (or similar model, depending on the specific HHKB keyboard) by PFU Limited. A mechanical keyboard."

OK maybe this listing is a bit sketchy

The picture shows a 2008 pro2

[fervent breach]

i truly do not know what ur doing wrong

https://buyee.jp/mercari/item/m83391105988?conversionType=top_page_search

good deal on a bt

although u could get way better

great deal imo

that is the image

but it’s a hhkb pro 2 type-s for like £115

it’s best you wait for better deals to show up as right now there’s not much good

[flat dock]

maybe the american market is too different

I don't want a BT only model though since I will always use a cable

I found that one though

but I ignored

Idk how you see any $75 or whatever

[boreal rivet]

Just get one on xianyu

[worldly garden]

^

[flat dock]

I don't know about that one

[boreal rivet]

Chinese ebay

Easy to buy from nowadays as long as you don’t mind paying a shit exchange rate

[flat dock]

is it 2.taobao.com

[boreal rivet]

No

[fervent breach]

xianyu is painful imo

[boreal rivet]

Nah

[inland kayak]

MSI's MP251 E2 (120Hz "HDR supported" business monitor) has a (claims to) contrast ratio of 1500:1 -- whilst their G244F E2 (180Hz gaming monitor) has a contrast ratio of 1000:1...
Will I see the difference?

[fiery sail]

HDr on non miniLED/OLED monitors is just a filter anyway

also 1500 and 1000 for the human eye is just practically the same.
if there are differences then 95% is because the panels are different and are calibrated differently.

the objectively worse monitor can be more appealign to you because you like e.g. a picture beeing too green and the monitor being miscalibrated to just your liking

thats way more noticeable than marginally better contrast

[inland kayak]

Ah, alright. Makes sense

I guess no use in going with the 120Hz MP251 E2? - Since the G244F E2 is like barely 20 US more

[fiery sail]

120 vs 180 HZ really depends on you, unless you put a specific test on the screen, my eyes dont see the difference between 60Hz and 165

others notice going down from 144 to 120HZ

(and your PC consistently achieving close to the max refresh rate)

[inland kayak]

I haven't been able to test the difference myself... Since I've been stuck on a 75Hz 900p monitor

[fiery sail]

ideally for lowest latency ~3 FPS lower than max refresh rate with Gsync/freesync enabled

[inland kayak]

The games I usually play though can easily hit 180Hz - if not more

[fiery sail]

there is a techless video i can link that explains latency optimizing in detail if u want

[inland kayak]

Hm, that could work.
Thank you eitherway for the info

[fiery sail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mWMP96UdGU

[inland kayak]

I'll give it a quick watch

[fiery sail]

its just 8 minutes but on a quick note

Gsync/adaptive sync: on
V-sync: off
FPS cap 3-4 Hz lower than monitors max (i got mine at 161 while 165 is its max)
Nvidia reflex/radeon anti lag: on (if available, just a bonus)

[inland kayak]

Will return when done

[inland kayak]

How does having a slightly lower capped FPS than the rated refresh rate help with latency?

[fiery sail]

i dont have a damn clue

xD

[inland kayak]

Sounds about right, this is the tech space afterall

Will give it a quick watch now

[fiery sail]

1 makes sense to me as most monitors dont actually have 165 but like 164.998 or sth

but he specifically sais at least 2 FPS
idk, he is the real expert and tested and measured everything rigorously

[inland kayak]

164.998
~0.001% FPS gone

[fiery sail]

report for false advertising incoming

Kappa

[flat dock]

I don't understand why that one is done

Why is it not an even number

Does the timing not line up or something

[fiery sail]

apparently it has to do with flickering

and old TV standards that had 59.94Hz

so many 120 or 180 hz and so on monitors are just that TV standard x2/3/4/... (or cut in half/3/4/..., however you view it)

and on round Hz like 144 (which is 2x of 72, which is another old TV standard) or 165 its mostly to mitigate artifacts, primarily flickering but also aliasing or screen tearing

especially aliasing i have no clue how a round hz numebr affects that but again, thats people way smarter than me who actually got into the topic are talking so who am i to disagree with 0 proof

[flat dock]

idk that can't be right though

Its like an extra frame every minute or so

[fiery sail]

1 frame a minute to get rid of a lot of artifacts