peripherals

[bitter oar]

qk65v2 v2 or qk65v2 refresh

taobao is not exactly aliexpress but i’ll not include it anyways (alibaba), few boards i bought as pre orders from which maybe one or two were group buys i buy switch samples from maxgaming, i bought most of my monsgeeks from retail, not aliexpress, infi boards from the official vendor ig

what do i have to say, high taxes

[worldly garden]

so only china vendors

[bitter oar]

customs

[worldly garden]

no wonder

[bitter oar]

china bad i assume, maxgaming is a very chinese vendor

[worldly garden]

i dont talk about bad or anything

https://www.goofish.com/item?spm=a21ybx.search.searchFeedList.3.64e231c5icCHc6&id=869682477704&categoryId=126856263

get something like this

[shut sierra]

Not china bad, shitty ultra-budget bulk sellers are bad, which ali an taobao are

[bitter oar]

how are they trash though compared to this? when it comes the aluminum/brass? it looks neat but is it worth extra +200% or do those aethetics, how much the materials are upgraded compared to cheap boards are? does it affect funcionality or sound to a point it makes cheap aluminum keyboards trash?

[shut sierra]

The thing is, if you only care about the quality of the board, and NOTHING else, im sure that of the hundreds and hundreds of listings on ali, youll find some that are decent, its just a numbers game at that point. Me personnally? I would much rather buy a half-decent board from a local or reputable seller. Why? I dont support ali's and taobao's ethics and values, from a social and sustainability standpoint. I just dont want my money going to them

Lee may have different thoughts/reasons on the matter so thats just my opinion

[bitter oar]

sustainability is a valid point, though that really depends on the company, you know there are companies that “seem to be” or “try to be sustainable” or even claim and they’re actually not, or people overlook what is and what isn’t a waste or unnecessary pollution, same for labour but yeah the locall vendors are likely less to have child labour, still it’s not like you can’t find chinese keyb companies that so not use child labour, poor conditions for employees and such, i don’t support some of the dark patterns that chinese marketplaces use, i don’t agree with the western tactics either though which in cases may be even worse
it’s not really simple when it comes to sustainability

there are numerous ways you can indirectly cause damage to sustainability while not being aware, because a lot of them are impossible to see through
for example you don’t support child labour, i don’t either
but what would happen if the children didn’t have the job at all… they do the work because they have to, otherwise they’d likely die from hunger (in extreme cases) or such in a poor country
you don’t exactly know what would happen if there was no such job, big oversimplification but i hope you understand where i’m getting, if you want to support anti child labour it’s a bit hard without financial support

[shut sierra]

On call w someone rn will reply a bit later

[bitter oar]

sure, take time

[heady dagger]

get a x-raypad aqua control 2 for Cad $83 or equate plus v2 kiwami for Cad $77 which one is more balanced

[bitter oar]

that’s a lot for a desk mat

or you’re fine with such budget

[shut sierra]

Right, if the kids didn’t have the jobs their families will suffer more, I understand the point you are making however it is innately flawed. You are effectively justifying or defending child labour because the families rely on it financially. However, those jobs only exist because of powerhouse countries and companies coming in and basically making it the only jobs available. The families have no choice sure but that doesn’t mean it’s ok or good and that we should continue to support the forces that setup and BENEFIT from these poor conditions they’ve created. Companies like Ali rely on cheap labor for competitive pricing and therefore it is advantageous for them to continue to foster those poor conditions. Also the idea that they need those jobs is kinda false. If the big companies leave or the jobs get cut or whatever, people will find ways to find themselves. They will start their own businesses and hustles and fill in their own economy as it is needed in any society (assuming no other force/company takes their place). If anything all those mega companies leaving would probably be a fairly instant and considerable improvement to the people’s conditions, they would finally be unshackled and could progress as a community/society rather than just get exploited to make ends meet.

Also as for the “greenwashing”, I totally agree, however there are three things that will always remain true: 1. Not buying anything is the most sustainable option, 2. Buying second hand/used doesn’t generate any additional waste (aside from transportation/packaging which is usually recyclable/less impact, even better if you can buy local) and 3. Buy a single, high quality item that will last a longer time, is more sustainable than buy many cheap items. For example in case 3 was a bit confusing, if I spend 300$ on a solid keyboard, it may last me, say, 15 years before it breaks. In that 15 years, buying cheap options, you maybe end up needing to buy 5 boards that are gonna last 3 years

[bitter oar]

i didn’t say it’s good, i meant it as if there’s literally nothing better than child labour as it is the only best option, while still being ethically very bad it’s better than being homeless or starving or not being able to buy cloths

[shut sierra]

(Continuing) each. If each board cost 60$, excluding shipping, disposal, time value of money, etc etc etc you’ve spent the same amount, for a worse product, that has created more waste. That’s why companies like Patagonia may seem expensive but really in the long run are going to be way more cost effective. Buying a good product right off the bat, regardless of greenwashing and false claims will always have a better long term impact than short sighted, impulsive buying

[shut sierra]

Yes but there ARE better options, ones that don’t use or support child labour. It’s dishonest to pretend it’s the ONLY option out there. There are many small business/local brands/hobbist brands, especially for keyboard stuff, that isn’t mass produced and uses high quality materials and proper labor

[worldly garden]

is this 4 chan

[shut sierra]

Erm this is discord

[worldly garden]

looks like one to me

i should have kventinky burin in my blacks

[shut sierra]

4 chan is out the door, take 4 lefts and then enter the first door on the left

[shut sierra]

Lmao put the typing to good use atleast 😪

[bitter oar]

my point is not buying off brands that may potentially use child labour may or may not decrease child labour, as the child working could just move on to work on something else, it’s hard to tell from their situation, i didn’t say it’s the only option for most but in a fraction of the population it is the only choice, also you don’t exactly know if buying that one high end board doesn’t create more pollution or less than three budget ones, especially when the high end one may be packages fancy, also, you need to make money, which causes pollution, as you, you work to make money, you need food water clothing etc etc. which causes pollution and you spend that on a high end keyboard

[worldly garden]

buy a realforce

made in japan

no child labour there, only senior labour

[shut sierra]

I don’t really know how else to put this but I think you are missing some important assumptions about sustainability and manufacturing. Ive made my points and ive tried to make them as clear as possible. Aliexpress is cheap for a reason, there is no getting around that. If you don’t mind the ethical issues it supports that’s ok that’s your decision entirely I’m not going to shame you or guilt you for it. Ive presented my thoughts and you can absorb as you see fit. It’s quite late where I am and I’d like to get to sleep, and to be quite frank, this conversation isn’t very helpful or productive as a keyboard discussion. I think we should both sleep on it, and leave it be. There is too much to say for a written message about the matter, and you seem quite set on your position already, so let’s end this conversation here, yea?

[bitter oar]

for example, you buy a budget keyboard for $100, it causes about legs say 50kg of co2
you buy a keybpard for $300 it creates 65kg of co2 including shipping
but you also caused before you purchased those keyboards about 30kg per hour of co2 by you working somewhere, needing to eat after the work, drink, or for example working 9 hours for the keyboard instead of 3
when considering that the high end long lasting keyboard would no longer as good in terms of sustainability (pollution) 155kg. two budget boards 160kg in case one fails, 80kg if it doesn’t, and there are many other things to consider

[shut sierra]

This is immediately useless in the real world because it’s made up data. I get your point but it’s based on nothing except assumptions and numbers we both don’t know. It’s also very disingenuous

[worldly garden]

source ?

since when keyboards value made up for carbon footprint ?

[shut sierra]

Also everyone works anyways, it doesn’t matter where it’s spent it’s a sunk cost

[bitter oar]

i don’t disagree with your points but it’s a cobweb, what you’ve explained is not the whole story at all, we don’t know how it truly is

[bitter oar]

it was an example, i made it up, as an example, my point was that you need to work for money which in most cases causes pollution

[worldly garden]

it haappens, no way to avoid that

[shut sierra]

Sure, I will concede and agree that I do not have to whole story, I am unfortunately not a galaxy brain data centre that knows all lol, so I admit that my views and points will also be biased and incomplete; everyone’s are

[worldly garden]

live ur life and dont bother the environment lol

we only have 80 years if u are lucky

[shut sierra]

Disagree 👎

Wait don’t bother the environment or dont bother with the environment? lol

[worldly garden]

the first one

[shut sierra]

My bad

Then agree 😎

[worldly garden]

spend ur time perfect yourself rather than perfect smth is already ruined by everyone

unless u are greta thunberg

[shut sierra]

Well, although I agree with the first part, working on oneself is important, I think the environment is also incredibly important as it impacts us all, our health, our resources available to us, our safety, as well as all of these factors for future generations

[worldly garden]

the future generations wont even care who are you

[shut sierra]

That’s ok, I don’t do it for fame or recognition, that means little to me

[bitter oar]

yeah pretty sure i’m biased too, i’m trying to not be as well
it’s very complicated matter

[shut sierra]

Do something because it’s right, not because others approve 🙂 something I try and live by, although evidently what is “right” is highly subjective. You get the idea tho

[shut sierra]

We all are, no worries. Our experiences and context shape us and our view which lead to inherent bias. It’s not a bad thing just important to be aware and open minded

[bitter oar]

yeah sometimes it’s hard to determine what’s right because it’s sometimes based off those approvals

[worldly garden]

your effort wont make a change at all, thanks to industrialization

[bitter oar]

sometimes there are equally right options but one is preferred over the another

[shut sierra]

Well hey it’s why I got into business. The force that causes damage has the power to do the opposite as well.

I’m not saying everyone should, it’s not for everyone and it’s not sustainable for everyone to put max effort in doing the same thing. But if no one does it nothing gets better does it?

[bitter oar]

yeah, if everyone tells themselves that everyone is already ruining the enviroment nothing will change at all if they all just continue

[worldly garden]

ya are being optimistic

[shut sierra]

Is that an issue?

I’d rather be optimistic than doomer xD

Make love not war 😍 or something

Anyways back to keyboards; thoughts on Durock Lavender switches? When I was orginially looking at/more into keyboards, I relaly liked the look/sound of the switch (from the few videos out there anyways). Anyone have experience with durock, or even better the lavender switch itself?

[bitter oar]

did you find any sound tests on youtube or reviews, if they’re scratchy after lubing, stem wobble, batching issues i think you should look for

oh mb i misread the () part

[shut sierra]

mix of both, reception seemed generally positive, i heard decent things

[worldly garden]

durock switches is kinda dated

[shut sierra]

oh really? Do they still make switches or nah?

[bitter oar]

they do but they’re not that competitive anymore

[bitter oar]

if you do like their specific sound profile from those videos if you found like comparison to newer switches

[shut sierra]

hmm interesting, thats unfortunate, what manufacterers are "s-tier" these days? Im talking like gateron ink black and holy panda levels glazing

[shut sierra]

yea ill see if i can find something similar

[worldly garden]

hmx

[worldly garden]

send me the video

[bitter oar]

hmx are good budget switches ye

[shut sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YxTdINxLhU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d9aNc_oJ_U

A decent examp[le for lubed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYrjqegO37g

this is the sound test that gets me moist

(personnally)

[bitter oar]

ideally you want a comparison between switches on the same boards

[worldly garden]

bakeneko lol

[shut sierra]

whats wrong with bakeneko lol

[bitter oar]

because each model of board will produce different sound

[worldly garden]

a dated keyboard

no they are nice

[shut sierra]

yea ik, but 3 different boards, same swithc, gives you an idea of about how itll sound

[bitter oar]

one switch may sound like this on a keyboard and it may sound that one the other keyboard

[worldly garden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD1h0193LqA

[shut sierra]

Ahh lol, yea I havent really followed the hobby at all since back then, 2020-early 21, so pretty much any knowledge of mine stops there haha

[worldly garden]

welcome back

[shut sierra]

oh yea baby we are so back

Wheres my credit card 🤑

the smile i got from listening to that is unreal xD

Definitely thinking carbon or fr4 plate, maybe leaning towards carbon a bit more? although fr4 had a nice pop... sounds amazing either way though

ill keep looking around obviously and getting more data, listening to more tests and whatnot, but that sound is near perfect to me I cant lie

Thank you 😊

[worldly garden]

what board u are using

[bitter oar]

you’ll hate me but i like “creamy/marbly” keyboards

[shut sierra]

Right now?

Only board I have is an RK61 I modded. It was cheap, I learnt how to solder/desolder with it, learnt how to lube switches, tune stabs, etc. was a good entry to the "skills" for me and its lasted me a decent bit, even wiht the PCB issue it has (I think I had mentioned it earlier, not sure if you read)

[shut sierra]

example?

I have no reference point for a creamy or marbly sound lol id need an example to give an opinion xD

only 2 sounds I know are "thocky" and "pingy"

[bitter oar]

https://youtu.be/iOOalEorTmg?
https://youtu.be/-b-T584Ugb0?
https://youtu.be/wzgG_7RuP1E?
https://youtu.be/ynPuo5k5H-4? not the best examples but here we go

https://youtu.be/6mn31foksos?

[shut sierra]

1st, 3rd, and 5th sound really good, the Gateron oil king switches sound chefs kiss

ok bed time fr now tho its way too late 😪 peace

[rain iris]

hello

[bitter oar]

hi

[worldly garden]

best keyboard for 1000 dollars ?

[fiery pulsar]

My new build that I got for 50 instead of 250

Just need to change some stuff and build it but I'm really hyped for it

[warm peak]

Hi. I really love the corsair k100rgb because of all the function buttons it has and because of the stunning RGB. However it's out of stock everywhere in my country. Used are the only option.
Do you know similar keyboards in functionality and RGB, at around the same price?
I really need a full-size with mappable buttons.

The razer V4 black widow pro is the only other option I found.

[worldly garden]

looks like akko mu01

[fiery pulsar]

Mb I'm not sure tbh I bought it of someone who wanted to get into in but then lost motivation and had it sitting around and sold it now for dirt cheap

[worldly garden]

so whats the kit name

[fiery pulsar]

Dunno the wood case should be the GH60

Keycaps are in a planet theme

[fiery pulsar]

With the matching pcb

Gateron silent switches it looks like and yh a skyloong metalplate

And stabilisers for the case

But I'm not 100% on the right names and brands just some reverse searching I have done

[lost lodge]

guys

I finally got my keyboard

no via sadly

but oh well

it sounds amazing

[fiery pulsar]

Sick man looks amazing

[lost lodge]

even though I thought it would sound clacky

[lost lodge]

tyty

[fiery pulsar]

How does it sound man?

More thock, creamy or a mix?

[worldly garden]

Thats the monsgeek

[boreal rivet]

I love it when my keyboard sounds like a mix of thocky and creamy

I can just feel the cream in my ears

and the thock on my temples

[lost lodge]

yes

[lost lodge]

it has the V3 Piano Pro switches

I would say it sounds marbly butttt

idek

at first I thought it sounded marbly

[fiery pulsar]

Damnn I was also thinking of mb getting them

[lost lodge]

after changng the keycaps, it sounds mixed

[lost lodge]

I mean I would recommend it but

monsgeek

so

people have mixed opinions

[fiery pulsar]

Ah good to know so it depends on the keycaps a bit what it will truly sound like, right?

[lost lodge]

I noticed that the piano pro switches sounded way more clackier in videos but

irl

it doesnt sound anythiing like that

[lost lodge]

I think

[fiery pulsar]

Ah that's also good to know

[lost lodge]

but keycaps dont really affect the sound all that much

[fiery pulsar]

Ok

[lost lodge]

get the VIA version if youre going for this board

the dedicated monsgeek driver doesnt let you do that much

[fiery pulsar]

Well I already have this mess xD

Just need to wait till it arrives

[lost lodge]

Ooo that looks cleannnn

[fiery pulsar]

Thank uu

Got extremely lucky in finding it on "kleinanzeigen" (used to be part of eBay now not anymore and more local from where I'm from just for ur own understanding)

He bought everything new never built it and then sold it 3 years later

For like rllly cheap and I'm very happy just hope it arrives soon

[lost lodge]

yooo niceee

[fiery pulsar]

Damn that's clean I love the knob (I also want a kb with one xD) and the keycaps man they are just gorgeous

[fiery pulsar]

Yee

Is it a gmmk?

[lost lodge]

tysm

some people called me crazy for looking for a kb with a knob but

I actually do need it because of where I live

[fiery pulsar]

Feel ya man

[lost lodge]

gmk sumi clones

real ones too expensive for me

[fiery pulsar]

Relatable

Mb I will also get one from them 🤣

[lost lodge]

ah alr alr

[fiery pulsar]

But yeah will see first how my new build will go and if there is stuff to improve or change

[lost lodge]

top left keycaps

I want

give

[lost lodge]

ah alr alr

[fiery pulsar]

Damn man they all look sick, love them all

[lost lodge]

Im planning on learning to mod with this board

my first hot-swap mecha board

[fiery pulsar]

I did that with my current one the red dragon k530

And now trying to expand that lil horizon with the new one I bought

[fiery pulsar]

Alr sick

[charred plank]

Thanks

[lost lodge]

nicee

[lost lodge]

Best of luck!

[worldly garden]

thats the case being echoic

force break it

[lost lodge]

I dont want the clack\

I dont know if the format

nvm it somewhat works

ignore the first few seconds, that was me almost dropping my phone twice

[patent belfry]

that sounds like aids

[lost lodge]

well its stock

but its so much better than my old one

[patent belfry]

I don't take back my opinion

[shut sierra]

What don't you like about it? What would you change?

[patent belfry]

no foam, switches without rattly leaves

[shut sierra]

Im listening to this in the car with a ton of background noise so I really cant get a decent listen, but it sounds pretty good! In my extremely limited experience I think it sounds pretty nice

[shut sierra]

There we go, theres the productive and meaningful insight 😎 thank you

[shut sierra]

Question, are there any decent and matching 40% + 65% cases/pcbs? Id like to have a numpad but I wanna be able to move it out of the way when I dont need it, but id also like them to look somewhat similar when on my desk. Are there any sets like this? I tried looking around for 40% boards and couldnt find much

Also, what are some legit/trusted sellers in NA/Canada?

[boreal rivet]

Keychron

[shut sierra]

I mean for switches/cases/pcbs, I moreso meant sites like KDBfans, Cannonkeys, Apex keyboards, etc.

[boreal rivet]

I’m replying to your first question

[shut sierra]

Although ive heard mixed things from keychron, ill keep an open mind and do some research, look into it

thank you

[molten patio]

my dumb ass unsoldered a switch on a keyboard with hot swappable keyswitches

[fiery pulsar]

Sounds great I like it man

[boreal rivet]

Is that something you must declare

[molten patio]

Side note, $30 magegee keyboard has hot swappable switches

[shut sierra]

I heard some people discussing yesterday about cheap hotswap boards sometimes not having enough solder on the little thingies. While you have the board open I would check them and make sure theyre soldered on nicely

[molten patio]

That wasn't an issue for me. It was oxydization on the switch contacts

I hate florida's humidity

[hexed karma]

Keyboards are pretty expensive, do you have good alternatives to the Q14 Max of Keychron ? (I'm searching a keyboard with great ergonomics and a numpad)

[shut sierra]

Decent keybaords, especially enthusiast level, are gonna cost a bit more, but in return youll usually get something thatll last longer and be of much better quality. Avoid cheap boards / manufactured e-waste as much as posisble

[hexed karma]

I agree with e waste part, So much stuff tech products in landfills

[shut sierra]

If you dont care about how good a keyboard is and just want something ergonomic, go to bestbuy or staples or something and get hands on with a board, find one that feels good to you. Its hard to recommend a board with goo ergonomics as it can differ for everyone. I will say a wrist rest makes a world of difference for any board

[hexed karma]

Attached to the keyboard ?

[shut sierra]

I much prefer seperate as you cna move it around, much more flexibility

allows you to position it how you want

[hexed karma]

Right now I own a K3 Pro from keychron but I think 75% is a bit too small for me

[molten patio]

I kind of have to suggest magegee at this point though. From my experience it's ridiculously good for the price.

The LED's SUCK though, mine has a few that barely work after just over a year of use. That said I suspect that not using the built in LED animations and just leaving them on at a constant brightness would mitigate the issue.

[hexed karma]

I'm checking

[shut sierra]

I would suggest, if your main concern is not having a numpad to just get a 40% numpad separate (assuming you like your current board). Otherwise resell it as used, and use the cash for a newer, nicer full size board

[hexed karma]

I can't separate myself from a numpad because I use blender ...

[shut sierra]

Wdym?

[boreal rivet]

Get a realforce or fc980c

[hexed karma]

It's a pain to use blender (3d software) without numpad keys

[shut sierra]

Yea, that’s what I’m saying, use your current 75% keyboard and get a separate numpad board, use both side by side

https://preview.redd.it/best-idea-ever-to-combo-a-compact-keyboard-with-a-numpad-v0-ldfqeok0q2vc1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=2a92331d865f8dc59f2e7fb2818482deceabd7e1

Something like this is what I mean

*not my photo, taken from google

Also nice because it gives you flexibility from an ergonomics point of view

[hexed karma]

How much can I get for a K3 Pro RGB with cherry keys and a box low profile replacements cherry switches if I sell it for a new one?

[patent belfry]

1800 layout >

[fervent dragon]

legitimate question for the keyboard experts, those so called "Gaming" Keyboard brands (like Hyper X, Corsair, Steelseries, Razer, Logitech, Etc.) Are those even good for the price? or are there better cheaper mechanical keyboard alternatives?

[worldly garden]

neo ergo

[worldly garden]

e waste

[worldly garden]

40-60 if u are lucky

[hexed karma]

My corsair keyboard stopped working after 2 years

[crisp patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120720250380484729/1318775244416221245/WYpb3x9.gif

[patent belfry]

am I wrong?

[crisp patrol]

g80-1800 is fine

not the other shit

[patent belfry]

????

[crisp patrol]

the cherry 1800's layout is fine

not the modern 1800 layout or whatever it's called

[patent belfry]

????

[patent belfry]

good layout

[crisp patrol]

bleh

no split rshift on a kb that needs fn for home/end and prt sc

[patent belfry]

look at the bottom row lmao

Im personally going to go WKL 7u bottom row tho, and then put the good keys from 980 layout on the mods

[crisp patrol]

yeah ik

split rshift + r4 fn is just more convenient

[patent belfry]

who does this

its basically a fullsize

[crisp patrol]

I prefer dedicated home/end and prt sc keys

[patent belfry]

thats why you do split plus and minus

adds another key you can use

[lost lodge]

How do I fix the switches without going broke 💀

And specially the spacebar

That sounds awful

It sounds so echo-y

[lost lodge]

Ty

[lost lodge]

Tyty

[lost lodge]

That

How do I remap the my Home key to be my printscr on my keyboard

And uh

How do I make it so when I press and hold down a key (for example, Ctrl), it'll activate another layer

Like how it does in VIA

[worldly garden]

enjoy it while lit last, and build smth completly from scratch

[molten patio]

apparently faulty LEDs can lead to a faulty keyboard

When the D in LED stops working and shorts the switch's power rail

[lost lodge]

💀

hows your FH4 grind going

[worldly garden]

im at 156

[opal shore]

Hey guys anyone know about the Ajazz AK820 Max HE

[fiery pulsar]

its okay for the price like sound wise(thocky) and switches, keycaps are rlly cheap. But if u have more to spend like 80 to 120 then i would definitely buy smth like a CNC keyboard and at least one with QMK/VIA bc they are way better and then u dont have to upgrade later down the line. in the end if u have over 100 buy cnc,etc. if not its an fine choice

[hushed ivy]

hi guys im lookin for a keyboard somone told me that the mad 68he is okay and i do kinda need he switches because i tried them and im in love and ye im a low baller so around 50euros but mechanical keyboard is still fine and also im the more competitive titles like cs go r6 and more in that path (sorry if my English is bad)

[kind verge]

https://www.amazon.in/Redragon-K630-Dragonborn-Lighting-Mechanical/dp/B092HXGKV4/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1KRZX2MK24NM3&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.QjgXOLb2XtH8gkJ1026_boY1O4RRPcIG7n1pTPzmVsfYAZEVxDwxNiKVigR_1r65ELDE85rwwnqSoafmlr356fFuuuD26QQCiZBUfFmJl9rRBbhgRWUkPjJjnw1m1Yahp2SOx7WhXWK_rFwHHEoluG47l81-4Zy-U6L8TetyprafPR0P-mTrY9xnfG25Ox4a80NHxKVeOhlTz0wzfc7sZjKb6xHOBvH2uVuHmgSotgs.daJi1nwNhXM2XMFDZz93nVEd3NDVEJrkP7aqCydJP0U&dib_tag=se&keywords=reddragon+K630&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1736702557&sprefix=reddragon+k630%2Caps%2C258&sr=8-3

[kind verge]

is this keyboard good?

https://www.amazon.in/gp/product/B0D5FG85WB/ref=ox_sc_act_image_18?smid=A131TXLTD8JX7N&psc=1

[kind verge]

or should I choose this?

Can someone help

which one will be good for gaming?

[boreal rivet]

no difference

[molten patio]

See if magegee has any offerings in your country

[opal shore]

I sadly don't 😅only got around £40-50 spend

[tough tapir]

is there a channel for mice

[opal shore]

I'm literally using tiktok shop to buy it

It claims it has magnetic switches and all online reviews for this model say it does too

I'm assuming magnetic switches and hall effect is the same thing

[boreal rivet]

Yes

[fiery pulsar]

And that's completely okay it is a decent and overall good keyboard for it's price point just wanted to point out what u will probably experience but nothing that can't be modded in after so dw

[opal shore]

ah okay thnx

[opal shore]

ok

[fiery pulsar]

No problem

[languid drum]

My odd mix of boards.

Red: Lucky65 cheap board with Glarses MX Purples. I love this thing, and I'm a linear guy. Complete accident board.

Top left: Sense75
Mid left: Baldr65 glass case keyboard (this is my only real "exclusive" board)
Bot left: Neo Ergo. Love this thing.

Top right: not-lego board. It's fine.
Mid right: AliExpress stacked laminate diy 40%. Fun project.
Bot right: my first build... The Bakeneko65 v1

[patent belfry]

keyboards

[opal shore]

Guys what is the difference between cherry and OEM profile

[patent belfry]

google

[worldly garden]

Get more

[chrome raft]

are HE keyboards worth it?

[worldly garden]

Which

[chrome raft]

any, the budget ones in the 50-100$ price range

[worldly garden]

Made68 is the only one worth to buy

So u are gaming focused

[chrome raft]

interesting, I mean not really I just wanted to get into them, I have a hexgears one I customized right now because I have no money for a like rainy65

but thanks I will have to save and look into the made 68

I appreciate it

[worldly garden]

Are u a game fanatic

Like high ranks

[chrome raft]

xD no not at all, I play rhythm games pretty high but thats just like difficulty lvl wise like hard-expert generally, Im bronze in val if that gives you anything

[worldly garden]

So osu stuff

[chrome raft]

I need to fix my internet before anything. I was really just asking because I was looking at that

[chrome raft]

kinda mainly osu mania, quaver, other 4key rhythm games

[worldly garden]

I see, because ifu arent too try hard

A normal mechanical keyboard will works

[chrome raft]

ah oki in that case thanks for the save in money xD

I do plan to get a nice regular 65 percent that isn't too jank. but I will wait until I have a better desk setup so it actually sits right. right now my desk is just askew enough

[worldly garden]

Mhm

100 bucks

For a full build

[chrome raft]

is there a nice one out their? I know there are a few I believe

[worldly garden]

I built my neo 65 for 200

They are pretty solid

[chrome raft]

nice

noted

[bitter oar]

the magnesium alloy mouse?

[charred plank]

Yea, I soldered in new switches and a new encoder in though and swapped out the scroll wheel to a nice blue one

[lost lodge]

sheeesh

Im getting a gigabit connection soon

although the gigabit is only for certain servers

oh and how exactly do I do the tape mod

is there any way to mess anything up?

while doing the mod

[worldly garden]

The mod is already the risk for u to mess everything up

[lost lodge]

Ah

[patent belfry]

thocky keyboard

[opal shore]

Hey guys

What's a cheap hall effect keyboard with decent latency

Ideally I want one with function row and the arrow keys

I don't need a tkl or full size

60% is a no either

I hear the AK820 Max HE I ordered doesn't have the best latency

[spiral mica]

you are not gonna be able to feel the latency

in fact you are prob not even gonna feel the difference between mx and he

[charred plank]

But what about romer g

[opal shore]

I will trust me

At the speed I edit and build at in Fortnite I will

[spiral mica]

cope

your monitor's refresh rate is a bigger bottleneck for latency

unless you have like 560hz refresh rate the latency of a keyboard is not going to be noticable

[opal shore]

I'm obviously not gonna physically see a huge delay between a key press and the output on the screen

[spiral mica]

a person's average reaction time is 250ms

[opal shore]

However when I'm editing at the speed I edit at I can usually tell if there's any delay or latency just by how sluggish it feels

[opal shore]

Don't need reaction times for editing just need to be able to press keys really fast

And be able to click really fast

[spiral mica]

then thats not latency issue

[opal shore]

Well it is if I'm pressing really fast and accurately but my output on the screen is still slow or I'm missing edits

[spiral mica]

what keyboard are you using

wired or wireless

[opal shore]

Wired

Womier K87 currently

Gateron Yellow

[spiral mica]

honestly idk, maybe someone here can help

but I still believe that the latency of a average wired keyboard would not have any major impact on games

[opal shore]

Okay

[opal shore]

Well I need a low actuation point that's adjustable and low actuation force too

rapid trigger etc

[charred plank]

Latency is afditive tbf, but it's also quantized in the case of inputs to server refreshes and screen refreshes (depending on if we are talking about competitive advantage or just visual feel), but because of that you're basically fighting in most cases for a fraction of a chance that if you're inputting at the end of a server refresh you get your input processed in the prior one rather than the next one.

Because of this you get really really diminishing returns under 5ms

So imo still doesn't matter

But it's still technically it's not a "250ms reaction so under that doesn't matter" because it is additive

It is

Quantized is a word too

One that actually is the perfect word for the use here

It's derived from quantization

There isn't really a simpler word to describe the effect

[shut sierra]

Why not? If it’s the correct word for the use case, it’s worth looking up. It’ll expand your vocabulary and you’ll learn

Naurrrr

[opal shore]

anyone know why the ajazz akj820 max he software isnt working for me

[solar frigate]

What kinda keyboard should I get? I really like the look of the Yunzii, but what abt their (build) quality?

[solar frigate]

Fair enough.

What keyboard should I get then?

I dont wanna spend too much but

Also, China doesn't mean bad, but are the Yunzii keyboards bad?

[opal shore]

Guys would I be better off getting an apex pro tkl 2023 for £60 used than keeping a brand new ak820 max he

The max he software doesn't work so I can't even enable rapid trigger and adjust activation

Actuation*

[hushed path]

i use one i got from Amazon just a relatively cheap Mechanical but it has Silent White Switches and its also Hot Swappable so i have some Cherry MX-Silvers ready for when the keys go on it feels pretty nice to type on and its responsive as well
Name from the box is called the Surmen GS87 i just needed something quick since my old Razor died on me

[solar frigate]

Nice

[opal shore]

This your Reddit post?

[hushed path]

No lol i just took the image from that post since it was a top down view😂 My desk is a state atm as ive been redoing my entire room painting it black and putting tapestry up on the walls so everything was piled on the desk out the way with the keyboard burried under it all

[opal shore]

hmm ok

[hushed path]

There you go that better to let you know I do actually have it though 👌🏼

Like i said was busy doing my little room painting and putting the tapestry up 🙂 still gotta clear up my desk

[shut sierra]

Ultimate goon cave 😎

[hushed path]

first time ive had a room just for myself so wanted to make it more "ME" lol its only downside... the doors behind me are its only ventilation 😂 so it can get pretty toasty in here especially in summer

its only like 6ftx5ft so not massive but big enough

[shut sierra]

Hahaha I hear ya, cool to see, its coming along nicely! Looks good 🙂 but yea I bet it can get pretty stuffy in there at times haha, might need a fan blowing air in/out with the door open at times, maybe throw it on when you leave so its cleared by the time you get back or something

[hushed path]

Thats what the portable AC is for just have to have the door cracked upen enough for the vent and just pump the heat out into the rest of the house since they can all open windows while i sit in nice AC coolness

[shut sierra]

lol super real, hopefully the room turns out how you like 😄

[opal shore]

DW I didn't doubt you had the keyboard

Anyone with the confidence to reply to a message that should be 'exposing' them is telling the truth

Looks like a nice keyboard

I just ordered an apex pro tkl like 2 mins ago 💀😭

Refunded the Ajazz ak820 max he I bought

[hushed path]

Nah i would have just taken the picture if my desk hadnt been a mess but just as easy to look it up to get an image as well i was being lazy
It is a nice keyboard tbh and the fact its hot swappable is just a nice bonus i think i paid like £40 for it on amazon so wasnt terrible

[stone rapids]

hallo
would any one with raspy pi knowledge like to embark on a design adventure with me
im trying to make a custom bluetooth keyboard and mouse pad

[crimson fox]

what do you want to do ?

[stone rapids]

Essentially I’m trying to make a wearable keyboard/track pad that I can wirelessly connect to my workshop PC so I can access it from anywhere in the shop
The idea is to have it on an arm sock or similar so I still have my hands free

[stuck bane]

hey keyboard peoples, i'm looking at the keychron k10 max (it's cheaper than the plus in new zealand) and there's three options for switches, all first-party keychron supers, in banana, red and brown. i really like the cherry mx browns i have in my old keyboard, although i'm not averse to change, but i'm not sure how they compare to the bananas and browns from keychron which are both tactile but the bananas apparently have an earlier tactile bump. i will never buy linear switches so that leaves the reds out. anyway, was wondering if any of you had comments on what the difference is like.

[worldly garden]

dont buy kk series, firstly

[stuck bane]

any better suggestion available here ?

[chrome raft]

most likely, depends on if you really need a full key layout, but even then there are some better ones out there for cheaper and around the same price point

[stuck bane]

i would very strongly prefer full sized

[chrome raft]

oki let me find some rq then, you said tactile too right?

[stuck bane]

yes

as far as i can tell the only other mechanical keyboards available around the same price are either 60% which i really really don't want, or the keychron c2 which doesn't seem to be very well received

[chrome raft]

well the EPOMAKER x Aula F99 is decent, plus it has gasket mounts. I personally like the AUSDOM 98Pro with the silent tactile switches. However it is all just preference in the end

and some others may be able to help more

also if you want to save even more money just try out a kemove keyboard, its not a big brand but I have had one of there keyboard before and after modding it a bit with a tape mod and stuff it was good

lubing the stabs are also a good choice too did that recently on my main one

[stuck bane]

i don't think the f99 is available here and the ausdom is nearly twice the price

[chrome raft]

oh really, they are similar in price where I live. sorry for that

[stuck bane]

yeah pricing on everything here is fucked

[chrome raft]

dang that makes it quite difficult

[stuck bane]

as an example the rx 7600 will cost you $450 and the rtx 4060 over $800

[chrome raft]

damn

ik that card is cheaper

and a low pf 4060 is like $300 here

[stuck bane]

there's also not that many manufacturers that will ship here, and even amazon often won't
we're not exactly spoilt for choice

[chrome raft]

ah that sucks, sorry makes it harder to get tech fs

[stuck bane]

with more expensive stuff like gpus i will just buy it in australia lol

[chrome raft]

yeah, my aunt and uncle live in new zealand as well, didn't know thing were that expensive there

[stuck bane]

i did run the numbers and if you want to build a top of the line pc it's legitimately cheaper to jump on a plane to aus, buy the stuff there and check a bag on the flight back here lmfao

[chrome raft]

lol

[stuck bane]

yeah it's the price of being in the middle of nowhere lol

[chrome raft]

yeah but it is beautiful though ngl

[stuck bane]

in the right places

[chrome raft]

true

[stuck bane]

if you live and work in the city it's not all too different from being in england but with worse public transit ol

[chrome raft]

oh my xD

sounds exhausting

[stuck bane]

there's definitely a lot of nice things about living here but when i'm a bit more settled in in the workforce and can scrape together enough money i'm planning to move either to auckland or back to england

[chrome raft]

Gotcha, my aunt and uncle are closer to auckland I believe

[chrome raft]

I hope that all works out for you mate

[stuck bane]

thanks mate :3

[stuck bane]

i think i've checked every website that ships here (bar amazon and newegg, their shipping takes like six months and their import fees are unreasonable) and am fairly certain the k10 max is the cheapest full size keyboard you can get here with hot swappable keyswitches, which i would definitely prefer to have, and there's not too much else around a similar price

the only question that remains is whether it's worth the 25% or so over the c2 pro which doesn't have hotswappable keyswitches but i think i'd rather pay the extra

[opal shore]

Ye sounds pretty good

[jaunty geode]

curious on takes in here, i've been bouncing between switches for a bit-
ws pearls - overly scratchy, even when lubed, but zero stem wobble
everglide aqua king v3 - overly scratchy, factory lube isnt great, insane amounts of stem wobble
gateron oil king - less scratchy, the stem wobble is fucking insane though

it seems like a good middleground between smoothness and stem wobble doesn't exist

it's kind of insane that the oil kings are considered a "low wobble" switch, and somehow end up around the same level of scratchiness as an ink black v2 after like 5 days of use, seems like factory lube is just bad

[spiral mica]

hmx

[tame creek]

Im still running the mk1 k70

[worldly garden]

Get hmx

[crimson fox]

In that case I think maybe an arduino would be better

[stone rapids]

Ok I’ll look into it thanks

[shut sierra]

Could you make a franken switch? Something like oil king bottom and stem with the WS pearl tops? Idk

[worldly garden]

yes

some of the fomula are pretty popular among enthusiasts

[shut sierra]

Maybe I’m misremembering but wasn’t the holy panda originally à franekenswitch?

[worldly garden]

no ?

[boreal rivet]

yes it was

[shut sierra]

Lemme look into it

Assuming the first result is trustworthy and not spewing nonsense

[boreal rivet]

that is correct

it was a product of the halo stem and panda leafspring

originally created by quakemz iirc

[shut sierra]

Very cool!

[boreal rivet]

should be him

https://chart-studio.plotly.com/~haata/377/top-clack-holy-panda/#/

haata has it named top clack of which he was a host on

never listened to it ngl

I was just in the discord server

I remember huey decided to leave to do his own thing

ended up just doing nothing

[hushed ivy]

hi guys im lookin for a keyboard somone told me that the mad 68he is okay and i do kinda need he switches because i tried them and im in love and ye im a low baller so around 50euros but mechanical keyboard is still fine and also im the more competitive titles like cs go r6 and more in that path (sorry if my English is bad)

[main narwhal]

did anyone link you the vendor list yet

[main narwhal]

i think thermin has a writeup

https://www.theremingoat.com/blog/the-pandaverse

lololol

what u tol him

TG can get pretty froggy

that time him and AndyV got into it lel

[wise bay]

https://youtu.be/bVzi4fDzxq0

[opal shore]

Bro they need to make a keyboard with a microphone and shit built into it

[jaunty geode]

ws pearls are too different from other switches to really do anything frankenswitch with them

i'll look around at hmx switches but expectations are kinda low if oil kings and aqua kings are generally considered smooth and/or low wobble

[shut sierra]

Maybe you got a bad batch? Contact the vendor and send a video of you wobbling the switch or something, maybe they will have some more insight

[shut sierra]

How come? Just curious

[jaunty geode]

the ws pearls have little metal balls on the stem that fit inside of rails

there's no plastic on plastic contact

which is why there's literally no stem wobble whatsoever

[shut sierra]

hmmm interesting

and that physically wouldnt fit into an oil king switch?

[jaunty geode]

oil king housings don't have rails obviously

[jaunty geode]

i have no idea, i don't think so

i buy switches in packs of 100 generally so i feel like at least one or two of them would be decent but they're all pretty consistent

[shut sierra]

Ahh ok I see

[jaunty geode]

the oil kings were solid until the factory lube spread out, at which point they may as well be unlubed

happened within a few days of use

[shut sierra]

Ahh I see, that may be a fault of poor factory lubing tho, I would try lubing them again yourself see how they feel then

also would films help with wobble? Or is it just stem wobble?

[jaunty geode]

lubing them myself is an option but i'm after factory lube out of laziness, tired of lubing switches

[jaunty geode]

it's purely stem wobble, the housing doesn't move at all on either of these

[shut sierra]

ah I see

[jaunty geode]

i may just buy another set of ink blacks and lube those, that's what i was using previously and they got smoother as opposed to the opposite over time

still a lot of wobble though

out of curiosity i did try lubing one of the ws pearls and it didn't help very much

[main narwhal]

if I remember correctly, there's been one or two

[jaunty geode]

if you're curious, here's a sound test for the oil kings when they were new

[stuck bane]

vendor list ?

[jaunty geode]

pearls

[main narwhal]

yea

so you can see what keyboard vendors are closer to you

[jaunty geode]

build is a kbdfans kbd8x mkiii with the gasket mounted aluminum plate and pbtfans wob caps

[stuck bane]

then nope

it would be helpful :p

[main narwhal]

europe?

[stuck bane]

nz

[main narwhal]

https://kbd.news/vendors/Oceania

always good to scout out the store first to make sure they still operating, since a bunch of vendors have poofed over the last few years without warning.

[stuck bane]

hmm yeah these all seem to be way out of my price range

[main narwhal]

budget, take a look at switchkeys

who runs oceania sales for the Neo stuff

oh full size

[opal shore]

Has there damn I can't find any

[main narwhal]

Yeah for rgb reasons usually, so you can have sound reactive rgb

[main narwhal]

mwave?

[stuck bane]

oh yeah i forgot they ship here

https://www.mwave.com.au/product/cooler-master-sk653-wireless-gray-mechanical-gaming-keyboard-lp-brown-switches-ac45554 this one's pretty tempting on sale

not hotswappable but for the price of a hotswappable keyboard i can buy two of these

https://www.mwave.com.au/product/keychron-c2-wired-hotswap-retro-mechanical-keyboard-brown-switches-ac70381 or this one perhaps ?

[shut sierra]

From personal experience brown switches suck they’re so scratchy and feel weird

[stuck bane]

i like my old cherry browns so if you have the same problem with them then i probably won't mind it

[crisp patrol]

browns are fine

[languid drum]

browns are tactile "light"
almost linears

[stuck bane]

in the end if i'm getting a hotswappable board i can always just put in some new switches if i find others that i like

[worldly garden]

thock

[silent rapids]

What is the point of a 60% Keyboard that's 2 fucking feet wide?
https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-Mechanical-Keyboard-Ergonomic-Anti-Ghosting/dp/B09V4HTWLT

[spiral mica]

funny

[charred plank]

What was the take though?

[solar frigate]

Keyboards from Amazon any good?

[fervent dragon]

is it possible to solider a new usb connector to an old keyboard that had its connector severed?

[charred plank]

Yes

But it's a bit of a pain

Not a beginner level solder job

Ideally something you'd do with hot air

[languid drum]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

but really... before I built my first custom board, I had a K70 gen 1 with mx browns for almost 11 years. They're fine, but once you try some of the more premium tactiles (or linears in my case) it'll change your life.

[languid drum]

some! What kinda size you looking for?

• 60%
• 65%
• 75%
• TKL
• Full size

[languid drum]

@fervent dragon I guess if the options are 1) fix the board or 2) buy a new one, you could always try! What's there to lose at that point? 😉

[solar frigate]

60 or 65 percent, I’m not quite sure yet, what do you think

[languid drum]

Sweet. I'll see if there's any I'd recommend available via Amazon.

Everyone has their opinions, and personal preference varies pretty wildly in the keyboard space.

You have a budget? Pre-built or barebones?

[solar frigate]

Idk what a keyboard from Amazon usually costs, also, I’d preferably get a pre built.

[languid drum]

Tactile, linear, or clicky *edit: or HE switches?

[crisp patrol]

nah not really

try heavier springs

[solar frigate]

As long as they’re not clicky.

LOL

[languid drum]

Eh I have no intention of going back to browns, but I believe my issue is the stem shape... not the spring weight. I have some super heavy springs on a few boards, and super lights on others, but the browns need some lube to be decent, and a lot of people buy MX Browns on soldered, pre-built boards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc32Fv4P0tw&ab_channel=Glarses

[solar frigate]

GLARSES MENTIONED

[crisp patrol]

I have some hg browns from @patent belfry and they're fine

80g springs on pp/pc

[languid drum]

Oh the hyperglides?

[crisp patrol]

browns are fine imo

I just prefer them with higher weights

[languid drum]

Hyperglide browns are DEFINITELY better than the MX Browns that come with most "gaming prebuilts"

[crisp patrol]

with 90g springs it'd probably be easy to use them like clears were meant to be used (typing without bottoming out)

they have enough tactility for me to notice when I need to stop

what's the diff between hg and ug (mx1a)

or are they the same

mm

is there anything between vint and mx1a

yeah

[languid drum]

@patent belfry Those sound good, but still a little scratchy for me

[crisp patrol]

recorded with the nt1?

oh nice

sounds good

basically like irl

[languid drum]

I don't love ALL of Hipyo Tech's takes... and some of his stuff is cringy, but if you're set on buying an Amazon prebuilt @solar frigate , check this video out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq3KHdh-uWE&ab_channel=HipyoTech

But there are a lot of options out there OFF of Amazon that I think are great buys

[crisp patrol]

is it like blacks (I could be wrong) where there's pretools which are not all vints but all vints are pretools or smth

it sounds fucken great in person

80g springs and browns is a baller combo too

gotta be the best deal I got on a board by far

going off some other wts posts lol

[solar frigate]

Thanks! I’ll check these out! What are some non Amazon builds that are budget you like?

[languid drum]

Gotta love a deal

[languid drum]

I hear this one isn't too bad for a pre-built. I would still look into some "mods" that could help you get a sound you're looking for.

https://epomaker.com/products/epomaker-tide65-qmk-via?variant=48165728518452

I don't love Epomaker, but they make some decent stuff!

[solar frigate]

Oof lol, that’s a bit over my budget (like double) but it looks really good

[languid drum]

Oh gotcha! Yeah those amazon boards in Hipyo's video will probably do well for you then. DEFINITELY look up:

• Tape modding
• Syringe lubing pre-installed switches
• Case foam mods / options (removal of case foam can create a more resonant sound, while adding pillow foam can quiet the board quite a bit.)

Force break modding really only helps on aluminum keyboards, so you won't really need it.

[solar frigate]

Thanks!

[languid drum]

What would you recommend at around $50?

[languid drum]

What about for 65%?

[crisp patrol]

says the one with an s60

indeed

split rshift carries 60% boards

[solar frigate]

Yum, crusty keyboard

[stuck bane]

well i'm not willing to pay more than $150-200 nzd, and am in new zealand so i can only buy stuff available here, so the choices are cherry reds, browns and blues, gateron bananas, reds and browns. and i don't want linear so it's not like i have a lot of options

the jump in price to get better switches is more than i'm willing to spend on the whole keyboard

and the whole point of buying a hotswappable board is that i can do that later on if i feel like it

hell if i hate the gateron browns for whatever reason i can buy new switches and still have spent less all up than doing a custom build

[rotund laurel]

Wooting 60HE+ Wooting Alumaze60 Concrete Gray - Module Lekker switch - Linear45 (L45) v2 - Wooting Double Shot Backlit PBT Keycap Set just white - Wooting Detachable USB-C Coiled/Straight Cable just white what yall think ? its such a brick

[boreal rivet]

kinda meh

[rotund laurel]

to boring for youre taste ?

[boreal rivet]

just looks basic

[rotund laurel]

i like it when things look a bit more basic—I'm not a big fan of RGB. I’m considering switching to the Optimum Tech case, i get it for like 100$ or some and the keyboard isn’t all that new. I once bought the Stream Deck and the mouse in white, so I thought a white keyboard would be my favorite. But we’ll see. But for now, I’m super happy with it!

[languid drum]

The best keyboard to have is the one you like. F**k da haters.

[boreal rivet]

Blud was asking for opinions lol

[languid drum]

Oh for sure! You've got the right idea on how to be economical about that.

My issue was, I bought that K70 Gen 1 before the MX patent was up, so my board was LOCKED UP pretty tight and soldered. Couldn't change the switches without a mountain of desouldering and headache.

[languid drum]

And I gave mine 😉

[languid drum]

How much have you played around with the HE switch settings? I don't have one yet, but I'm interested in trying them out.

[shut sierra]

I think it’s fine, but why does a keyboard need a strap xD

[junior fiber]

so you can use like a nunchuck

[worldly garden]

u can get a toffu redux case for cheaper

[charred plank]

Finally recorded my v1 and v1 max next to the modded lucky, but here is the q2 and hi75 recording for another reference point

[crisp patrol]

I notice a distinct lack of doubleshots

[charred plank]

?

[crisp patrol]

[boreal rivet]

OSA is doubleshot

[crisp patrol]

what color is your gmk

[boreal rivet]

Like beige or something

[opal shore]

just got the apex pro tkl wireless 2023 boys

for 70 gbp only too

[crisp patrol]

[slim wave]

Hey!
I have a question regarding keyboards as I know little to nothing about them. I play a lot of fps and tps games mainly shooters and it's about time I get an actual good keyboard. So I was wondering, what gaming keyboard is the absolute best for fps, tps(idk if this matters )
fast, responsive and preferably not loud.
Edit: I looked up on yt and saw some hype about razer huntsman v3 and wooting(?) keyboard?

[charred plank]

Gaming branded keyboards aren't necessarily good for gaming

You should list out your budget and preferred size of keyboard and sound though

Like do you want a deeper sounding board

More high pitched

More mid tones

Etc

Or "thocky, creamy, or clacky"

[slim wave]

just the quietest one would be great XD

but price wise maybe highest I can go is 250$

[slim wave]

do u have any recommendations?

[charred plank]

I'd say get neo75 and some silent switches and some decent pbt keycaps tbh

[arctic shuttle]

If you want "tHe BeSt GaMiNg KeYbOaRd" then hall effect switches are going to give you the fastest response time (i.e. huntsman, wooting) but the issue is that the switches are going to be loud. If you are buying a hall effect keyboard, you aren't buying it for the sound, you are buying it for the performance.

But, a faster keyboard doesn't make you a better player.

If you want something quieter, you are going to be stuck with silent switches, and silent switches feel mushy but make much less sound.

[crisp tartan]

Hey guys

I want to buy some switches for my ducky one 3

There’s a choice of “plate” and PCB

What does that mean

[worldly garden]

Wooting

[fair ruin]

Wooting is a great prebuilt option as are the Melgeek Made 68 Pro and Made 68 Ultra. Wooting has the absolute best software. Melgeeks made boards have near feature parity with the Wooting besides analog support (which is coming) and has less actual real world latency. The wootings have access to more third party cases.

[crisp tartan]

What about Keychron Q3 HE

[worldly garden]

hummingbird better

[lone tinsel]

any magnetic halo keyboard

like the wooting 60he

or nuphy 60he

(if you want low-profile for some reason)

[boreal rivet]

What is a magnetic halo keyboard

[lone tinsel]

a technology that's not too old, but is becoming more mainstream nowadays

it lets you choose how much you can press a key for the computer to register it

very useful if you're gaming and want some instant response times

pretty sure valorant even banned it

and CS2 in comeptitions

[boreal rivet]

Wow so smart

[opal shore]

You could look at an apex pro tkl too but from what I know wooting and some other brands like like iquinix are good too

I got an apex pro tkl yesterday it feels great ngl I had a womier k87 before that

[dry hare]

I have a keychron k2he SE, it's been nice

[heady dagger]

i wanna build a custom keyboard what brands should i look into

75% black and wireless

rgb preferably

qmk/via compatible

i wanna spend around $200 on the full keyboard to give you an idea of the budget

[charred plank]

Bad

[worldly garden]

kbdfans taco

gl finding new one, try get one used

[chrome raft]

you didnt give people a reason

baseless claim

[quasi turtle]

performance is quite terrible, deadzones on keychron HE is ~0.5

build quality is fine, but you aren’t looking for build quality as a priority with an HE board

if you are the venom60/tkl exist and their performance is much better

with standardized screw holes as well, so you can fit them in much more boards

and performance for the venom stuff is better or on par with the wootings

[quasi turtle]

venom coming in, wooting no, keychron he no

[charred plank]

Here is q2 next to a $50 board. @crisp tartan idk if q3 is based on Q2 design aspects or Q1 (which is actually worse and thinner sounding with more ping) for the chassis design, but either way it's not a good board at all

Especially when it's almost $200

[crisp tartan]

Hmmmmmm

So if I want HE and wireless, which brand should I look into

[quasi turtle]

is left a plastic foam board

not a great comparison if so, you can make any board sound like that if you add enough foam

keychron Qx isn’t the greatest board though, I’ll agree with you there

it’s pretty stiff and sounds pretty thin

but the left sounds like a super foamed up board

sounds pretty hallow

[crisp tartan]

For context, I use Logitech PRO X TKL clicky

[fair ruin]

keychrons q series really shines if you replace the plate with a custom pom one from etsy

[crisp tartan]

Man sometimes I wish there’s a retail store just for keyboards

Best Buy doesn’t have enough variety

[quasi turtle]

at that point you might as well get something else

[crisp tartan]

I could just buy the pro x tkl rapid to try HE and see what the FOMO is about

[charred plank]

Right side has more foam... It's just a decent body board vs a shitty one

[quasi turtle]

is the q stock

left has a low pitch

but you could hear that it’s hollow

which is due to the board

[chrome ocean]

looking for a keyboard recommendation: hall effect or optical analog, 68%-80%, knob/scroll prefered, $50-150, thanks!

[charred plank]

W is stock and the hi75 is stock besides me removing the case foam

Q series board is just worse

Like in any way you put it it's a bad board

Worst aluminum board I can think of

[charred plank]

Hi75 definitely isn't the most full sounding board I own, but it's definitely not what I'd say sounds hollow. It just sounds like a good deep sound and somewhat full sounding because it doesn't have too much room behind the board for silly batteries and such

With the stock foam it sounds muted

[quasi turtle]

probably, it’s a really old board now

most of the Chinese options are better

maybe my standards are different but the alphas seem kind of hollow to me

[charred plank]

Q2 just had a lot of design flaws and oversight

[quasi turtle]

was fine for its time, no point getting it now though

[charred plank]

I mean for what it costs it's not very hollow sounding at all

[quasi turtle]

i mean cost shouldn’t have a factor on hollow or not

it’s either it is or it isn’t, I don’t factor price into it

[charred plank]

But like my modded lucky and modded neo75 for example sound a lot more full and weighty

I would say a big majority of boards sound more hollow than hi75 though

[quasi turtle]

that’s true as well

[charred plank]

Partly cause every board wants battery compartments now

Also recorded v1 and v1 max next to my modded lucky

[quasi turtle]

why does the alphas sound like it’s submerged in water lol

[charred plank]

Which one?

[quasi turtle]

v1

[charred plank]

Oh

Cause keychron doesn't know how to make a keyboard

They made a super thin and hollow abs shell and just threw a loosely fit slab of silicone behind it that makes everything sound muddy

[quasi turtle]

I’ve never heard a v1/max ever sound like that before lol

[charred plank]

Because every reviewer bass boosted and ups gain on recordings

[quasi turtle]

no like I’ve had one myself for a couple days to test as well

[charred plank]

Are you running it stock?

[quasi turtle]

it sounded okay? not remotely close to good but it wasn’t the worst in the world

[charred plank]

Cause in the recording it is stock

Both are

[quasi turtle]

had hmx sunset gleams and gmk

[charred plank]

Well caps aren't stock on v1 non max actually

And switches I chose milky yellows cause they actually sounded best on it

They actually pair well with things that don't have gaskets

But also consider it's a recording

Phone mic is more high pitched than reality

It's meant more for comparisons sake between the 3 recordings

For fun just recorded my modded neo75 too

[charred plank]

That might be why

V1 and v1 max and even Q2 definitely all could be great at the right price though

They just aren't at it imo

[quasi turtle]

that’s very fair

sk75 and bridge75 are in mind for that pricing

q2 especially not it

considering neo stuff can be gotten

[charred plank]

V1 max ironically is probably the closest to reasonable

But like linky 87 is pretty close if not slightly better and it's about $37

[quasi turtle]

i think as of right now, c3 pro is the only keychron thing you should be considering

[charred plank]

But v1 max disappointed me the least

[quasi turtle]

i had a q3 as well

as you said it wasn’t good

[charred plank]

Made use of q2 though

Put my cerakeys caps on it and put liquid electric tape on the isolator pad then added 2 layers of tape and a layer of copper foil behind the PCB to make it sound more full but muted and deep

So now it's my school keyboard I carry in my laptop bag

[quasi turtle]

yeah im not a fan of the deep stuff

i run most of my stuff just foamless and alu

[charred plank]

The lucky is foamless

Why?

[charred plank]

I don't like abs keycaps

[fair ruin]

I like gmk abs keycaps

Not so much others

dcx and keybobo are ok too

aifei in a pinch but only their semi transparent stuff with the wolf head icon instead of the arrow icon on the esc key

[noble pawn]

This is my sugar65, I've been using it for around 1 year already and it's paint has worn off on places where I sweat often. I plan on repainting it, what kind of paint should I be using & what are the procedures I should follow?

[fair ruin]

https://www.amazon.com/Birchwood-15121-Casey-Aluminum-Touch-Up/dp/B072LT4HCZ

[quasi turtle]

keykobo was a nice alternative

gmk had the best legends/mods I’ve seen though

jtk/keykobo/pbtfans were nice too though

never tried dcx before, is it nice

[fair ruin]

Nicest feeling non gmk cap. the legends are also a close second.

really good if you catch it on sale or bogo

[quasi turtle]

nice, how’s the profile

you try jtk/keykobo? how is it compared to those

[fair ruin]

im speaking of drops dcx cherry caps

the profile is very close to genuine cherry to the point where i cannot tell

[quasi turtle]

yeah i know

heard some people didn’t like the sound profile of the caps but that’s subjective

[fair ruin]

The difference, to me, is so minimal. I cant say which is better and I imagine there is a bit of bias involved in that judgement as well.

For some.

[cyan tartan]

is the made68 pro the best prebuilt keyboard?

[charred plank]

You don't paint it

It's anodized

[grand escarp]

I got MOA caps for Christmas (and some crispy, glassy-looking polycarbonate caps).

I don’t think I’ll ever want anything else ever again. MOA is so dang smooth, so chill.

[charred plank]

Wait til you try sa

SA is the easiest to type on imo

Also does the best job at amplifying sound

But you prefer a clackier sound so I'd imagine cherry works better for you

I accidentally hit the wrong keys too often when I use cherry

SA is just better pronounced and easier for me to move my fingers around

[grand escarp]

SA? No, thanks.

[charred plank]

Still waiting on my signature plastics die sub sa caps to arrive though

Buying one part of the set to see how I like the color before I buy the rest of the set

[grand escarp]

Doesn’t really matter what they look like. Feel is king.

I [put them on my wishlist] because they were green, rather than all the cutesy, cuddly patterned ones. I honestly forgot they had Japanese on them, and I’d have preferred not-all that visual noise. Blank would be ideal.

But, like I said, it doesn’t really matter. They could be pink, rainbow, with unicorns and photos of various turds in toilets, and it wouldn’t matter - MOA would still be insanely comfy, and I’d still rock them.

[grand escarp]

If you wanted rabbit poop:

[worldly garden]

U get this from ali right

[grand escarp]

That’s where I got that product picture from, yeah.

There’s also a bread-themed one.

[crisp patrol]

try gmk abs

[crisp patrol]

also that is literally a skill issue

[charred plank]

Why?

I saw in their factory tour what they use

They don't use some magic Uber special abs wizardry

It's just gonna be a $200 keycaps set for me to throw in my drawer and never use

[crisp patrol]

$120 more like

buy hineybeige or smth

[charred plank]

I hate beige and white sets

That's why all my sets are something around blue or black

Or some sort of purple

[crisp patrol]

wob, dolch, etc exist

thinkcaps

[worldly garden]

There was a striker r1 set for 70

I bought it

[crisp patrol]

diff texture

[charred plank]

That's still too much imo for an abs set

[crisp patrol]

feels nice

[charred plank]

I prefer smoother caps usually

[crisp patrol]

og cherry molds

[charred plank]

Why would that matter

[worldly garden]

Thats will slap ur cerakey dinks anyday

Plus is round 1 gmk

[crisp patrol]

og cherry doubleshots are good asf

[worldly garden]

This

[crisp patrol]

thick abs, sound good

[worldly garden]

Og for the thocky

[charred plank]

How thick is it in mm

[crisp patrol]

off the top of my head idk

[charred plank]

It's just gonna be a super mid designer product

[worldly garden]

Well tou know biooc

Gmk is mainstream for enthusiast for a reason

[crisp patrol]

1.5mm

[charred plank]

Won't fit anything I like

[charred plank]

That sounds pretty normal?

[worldly garden]

Get the gmk striker

Is looks like ur cerakey and sounds better

[crisp patrol]

it is considered thick

[charred plank]

It'd be like buying another keychron

[worldly garden]

Look at this shit jonna

5k5

[charred plank]

Just buying another thing I know I won't like just to see I don't like it

[worldly garden]

Sell ur keychron

[charred plank]

Nah, giving the v1 to my sister as a gift

And modded the q2 to be a decent quiet board for school use on my laptop

And v1 max I might give to a friend

[crisp patrol]

sorry can you put that into non-poor terms

[worldly garden]

If i dont read it wrong u are buying another nk keycult ?

[charred plank]

I bought every heavily recommended keychron just to see if I'm right about them sucking or if the people who shill them are right

Turns out they all sucked in the exact ways I said they would

But noticed a lot of other design flaws

[worldly garden]

Should have funded that for a youtube review

3 keychron = 3 gmk sets

Dang

[charred plank]

Maybe when inky 75 is back in stock I'll get one to test and I'll buy a gmk set for it

Just so I can have a decent board in my collection with cherry profile caps

I feel I could make a decent clacky board out of it

[worldly garden]

Neo75 cu worth a gmk set

[crisp patrol]

or you can get rid of all your cheap shit boards and buy a kfe ce or any decent board

[charred plank]

Was gonna get neo 60 cu for a clacky build but I hate the anodization options

[worldly garden]

Ass board compared to taco and pt

[worldly garden]

They will be as lack of resonance as the 75cu is

[charred plank]

It's getting a die sub sa signature plastics set

Cause it's my main board

[worldly garden]

Get the normal neo65

[worldly garden]

Out meta keycaps

Sa chocolate is 80 here for a tkl set

[crisp patrol]

get a tkl

[charred plank]

I prefer smaller sizes

[charred plank]

I think a die sub pbt sa set will sound better than an abs sa set. Plus I think blue would match a blue neo 75 more than brown

[worldly garden]

Thats a reference

[worldly garden]

40 ortho

[chrome ocean]

did tictok really ban itself and closed service? also why these tictok users went to red book instead of douyin(chinese/original version of tictok)

[crisp patrol]

yes it was banned

[chrome ocean]

are they closing service globally? if you use vpn to connect to canada/mexico you can still use it right?

[crisp patrol]

maybe idk

us only tho

[chrome ocean]

just weird that people move to red book when there are two far more popular short video platform/apps in china, compare to red book

[fair ruin]

It’s probably a stunt. I bet it’s back soon and will be seen as a win for the incoming administration, however you feel about that.

[chrome ocean]

wow just realized i was in the wrong channel

anyways still looking for a keyboard recommendation: hall effect or optical analog, 68%-80%, knob/scroll prefered, $50-150, thanks!

[bitter oar]

aluminum he keyboard

[bitter oar]

i misread that i thought he wants HE

there are some that sound ok

[worldly garden]

such as ?

[bitter oar]

you can search for sound tests

[worldly garden]

be specific

[bitter oar]

i don’t know as i don’t pay much attention to the HE switch market it has been quite few months since i last checked so,

[worldly garden]

then dont say like u know it that well

[bitter oar]

i can’t say what’s the “ok” standard as it has been shifted since i last checked

[bitter oar]

i said some… i didn’t imply or say that i know it well

[worldly garden]

some

that means you Knew atleast one he boards thats sound good

im ready to hear ur picks

[bitter oar]

just google some sound tests and make your opinion

[bitter oar]

i don’t want to pick as i’m not invested into HE, how many times do i have to say it

[worldly garden]

then dont say that "some he boards are good"

[bitter oar]

there might be better value switches since

[bitter oar]

i said okay

[worldly garden]

okay, what is the board u are talking about ?

[bitter oar]

let’s say ttc magneto

[bitter oar]

the chinese alu HE’s are fine

on average

[worldly garden]

thats a switch name

[bitter oar]

again, i’m not invested into HE… they’re not bad or poor boards for the price so ok/fine

[bitter oar]

i answered your switch request rec

[worldly garden]

thats a switch name

[bitter oar]

they sound okay on HE boards, so some HE boards are okay/fine as well

[worldly garden]

such as ?

[bitter oar]

https://youtu.be/UdEjTAqG4nM?

[worldly garden]

soundtests are unreliable

[bitter oar]

any better alternative?

i haven’t heard people complaining about them being high-mid scratchy stock so they’re not poor-bad

they don’t sound bad either for HE

even half way decent phones with mics can pick up really shitty switches

[worldly garden]

phone mic is out of the discussion

they edited the heck out of ur raw sound

[bitter oar]

edited or compressed, the mic didn’t pick it up?

[worldly garden]

edited

[bitter oar]

how you know

[worldly garden]

they literally said it in their vid desc

[bitter oar]

where

[worldly garden]

well in the video u spoecifically found they doesnt have it

idk anyone who posted soundtest unedited tho

u can ask in the comments if the sound is edited

[bitter oar]

you said it is though, also how i’m sure i’ll get a real answer when “the people’s tests from yt are allegedly editing the sounds tests”

[worldly garden]

i thought u are an audiophile

u should have realized

[bitter oar]

i never claimed that i’m audiophile, the oposite actually

[worldly garden]

oh i may have mistaken to biooc lol

could have bought a good audio set up with the money u spent on 15 monsgeek's

😂

[bitter oar]

i have…

that does not make me an audiphile

why are you jumping to conclusions like that

[worldly garden]

aliexpress ?

[bitter oar]

“if you are audiophile you should’ve realised”
“if you’re not an audiophile you assumed i don’t have decent equipment”

[bitter oar]

another jumping to conclusions?

you think all i buy is aliexpress… you will not get good headphones from ali other than like fiio’s and he400se’s

[worldly garden]

im genieuly asking a question

https://prototypist.net/products/in-stock-neson-studio-810e-keyboard-kit?variant=54966866674042

u should get this keyboard

[bitter oar]

i have owned like pair or two of headphones from aliexpress, far less than just superluxes, sennheisers together i have owned

also owning ≠ does shit

there are many reviews on those headphones and they’ll tell you they’re respectable for their prices

[bitter oar]

i’m not interested in over $150 keyboards, i mostly know what to expect from the mid-high end keyboards

[worldly garden]

okay "budget enthusiast"

[bitter oar]

ok.

[crisp patrol]

buys slop worth nothing instead of any decent boards

[bitter oar]

you haven't explained properly the pro's of high end boards either, if you're really here just to argue download reddit or twitter

i already told you my opinion, to me the extra +200% for a higher end keyboard isn't worth it

slightly higher quality aluminum alloy on the casing and slightly better pcbs compared to the chinese "slops" are not worth it for me

i've also explained that not buying keyboards possibly worked on by illegal child labour does not exactly mean there will be reduction in that

it's just not that simple

and for most users quality of the "slop" is much better than what the gaming companies locally sell for the respectable budgets

you really act as if this conversation didn't happen 10x

ok... for you

a lot but my argument is most

what you're really said does not make the argument i just said less valid, a lot can literally be a fraction of the population which still can be a lot.

what's your definition of real enthusiast other than not buying "slop"