peripherals

[fleet scroll]

original owner replaced the daughterboard so

no port replacement

[main narwhal]

o nice

[fleet scroll]

but im fine with the mini to be honest

[main narwhal]

whats it got

the cipulot one?

[fleet scroll]

i have no idea lol

the listing didnt specify it

its really nice though

connected to my phone right now

[shy junco]

Oh yeah I know it can, I have stuffed mounted to edges etc. I was saying that I don't want to cut into desk just to reduce the height of the keyboard

[main narwhal]

they have keyboard trays that clamp to the side

[chrome raft]

Ignore the right arrow. I lost the keycap 😜

[patent belfry]

hell yea crazy upgrade

[fleet scroll]

not being linear was enough to persuade me lol

now i must snipe yahoo auctions or something for another

[charred stag]

any good somewhat budget modular keyboard? with numpad (or seperate numpad) (not picky about how it sounds)

[crisp patrol]

guys I got this off aliexpress is it any good?

[patent belfry]

lol

[charred plank]

Where is the rgb

Needs shine through RGB led light 16.4 million colors or else

[crisp patrol]

handarbeezy

[young spoke]

no windows key?

[crisp patrol]

winkeyless keyboard
no winkeys

[patent belfry]

[young spoke]

yeah but why

just seems impractical

[crisp patrol]

left alt = windows

[patent belfry]

right

[crisp patrol]

mb

[patent belfry]

i usually put a super key

[crisp patrol]

I found the alt first so I just didn't dig for the super key lol

[patent belfry]

I dont think handar has one

[fleet scroll]

okay topre is definitely acquired lol

i didnt love the sound when i first tried it but now its the best thing i’ve ever heard

also feels way better than my laptop keyboards or mx custom keyboard already

and i’ve gotten used to the layout

(except for the arrow keys)

[chrome raft]

this is the hardest thing

[fleet scroll]

yeah i’m struggling with the function keys

it would help if the original owner didn’t swap the keycaps so i could see which function key does what lol

[patent belfry]

its just fn + number

[fleet scroll]

i meant like

home, end

arrows

delete

[patent belfry]

oh yeah

you have a custom controller so you could reprogram

[fleet scroll]

true

[patent belfry]

im building my s60 v2 pretty soon

[fleet scroll]

1 thing i really like is how the top row is positioned up

[fleet scroll]

enlighten me

oooh

[patent belfry]

frosted pc top, white alu bottom custom hhkb

[fleet scroll]

it’s a custom case?

[patent belfry]

ye

[fleet scroll]

i see

[patent belfry]

just waiting for the OEM pcb and controller to show up from china

[fleet scroll]

hopefully it’s quick

hey the s60 v2 is surprisingly not that expensive

73 gbp

[patent belfry]

wait what

its like 300 usd

[fleet scroll]

What

[spiral mica]

oh you using oem pcb?

[patent belfry]

yeah, with pro 2 domes and realforce r1 housings and purple sliders

[fleet scroll]

well i did convert it from realvirm to gbp

[spiral mica]

damn that sounds interesting

[fleet scroll]

oh wow

[patent belfry]

full plate gaskets and silencing rings

[fleet scroll]

i really want to buy a pro 1 for some reason

i doubt i’ll ever find one for sale

but i’ll look around

[patent belfry]

you should buy a fucked up one and put it in a custom housing

[fleet scroll]

yeah

2 decade old domes

[patent belfry]

ive got lots of old realforce domes they aight

[fleet scroll]

the people who sold me my keyboard forgot to take it off of ebay

cause i bought it through their website

[patent belfry]

they might have a bunch

topre

[fleet scroll]

cup rubber

[patent belfry]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C2nMC1Euz-i/

thocctober

🧊

Instagram

wait there

[fleet scroll]

i’ve heard there’s bad realforces

[patent belfry]

r1 realforce is good

[fleet scroll]

is that true

[patent belfry]

i dont like the R3

r2 is meh

[fleet scroll]

i’ll have a look at the r1s

[patent belfry]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C3SeTGsMqE3/

thocctober

Topre Tuesday

Instagram

[fleet scroll]

oh dat is nice

[patent belfry]

r1 goodness

[fleet scroll]

are they programmable?

[patent belfry]

that ones has a custom pcb yeah

via compatible

[fleet scroll]

if i bought a random one off of ebay

ie

[patent belfry]

theyre like 500$ a piece

[fleet scroll]

a realforce 87ub

would it be Not great

[patent belfry]

it would be good yeah

[fleet scroll]

yeah i cant even find the r1

[patent belfry]

87ub is r1

[fleet scroll]

oh really

my fault for knowing nothing by the way

[patent belfry]

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/315675552102

I want this next

[spiral mica]

variable weight is so nice

[patent belfry]

fr

[lone tinsel]

thock tuah

[charred plank]

Is it hard to remove to protective layer on keychron q series silver boards

[worldly garden]

which ?

[charred plank]

Q1

Thinking of getting a silver one and reanodizing it to whatever color I want

[worldly garden]

yeah umm

send it to ppl who did it

[fervent dragon]

What's a good cheap mechanical keyboard for under $50?

[worldly garden]

keychron

dont buy k series

[charred plank]

You can get a leobog hi75

If you need it fully built, linky 87 might be a really good option too

It's basically like a better v1 max it seems for $31

[patent belfry]

chinesium

[charred plank]

You say that like keychron isn't produced in the same country

Not that country even is a variable... What matters is how it performs per $

[patent belfry]

over half their lineup is aids on an entusiast level too

[charred plank]

Keychron basically makes keyboards that compete as a step up from big gamer memes

But against the real market they're pretty bad options

Unless you need a specific layout on a really low budget maybe

[patent belfry]

not for enthusiasts

[charred plank]

?

I don't think most enthusiast like bad boards

The issue they have is literally they're a mainstream type company masquerading as enthusiast. Good thing for beginners who can't get advice and would otherwise get Razer, but useless if you can get decent advice

[fervent dragon]

ok what would you recommend?

[patent belfry]

he admitted it chat

finally

[cyan tartan]

is there a lot of difference between 0.125mm and 0.01mm rapid trigger?

[patent belfry]

the keyboard that came with your computer

[fervent dragon]

mine was a custom built one.

[patent belfry]

keep it

50$ barely buys switches

[fervent dragon]

i meant my PC was a custom built one.

so it didn't come with a keyboard.

[patent belfry]

go to the store and buy a 50$ keyboard

[boreal rivet]

you should buy a realforce

[main laurel]

any mechanical keyboard for 100 bucks ?

that yall would recomend

[charred plank]

If you need 75% I'd say bridge 75

If you can go smaller neo65

[bitter oar]

aliexpress or other chinese marketplaces have custom keyboards for good prices

[worldly garden]

U can only get a kit if u are biying a neo

[worldly garden]

Give me the names

[bitter oar]

of?

[patent belfry]

the keyboards

[bitter oar]

hi75 and such

[patent belfry]

75% is peak noob layout.

[orchid sundial]

got a whole bunch of these cute keycaps from the thrift store

[patent belfry]

wait a second are you for real?

[orchid sundial]

yeah

hold on i got a photo of the bag from the thrift store

they seem DIY or something, maybe they are defects that someone collected and donated there idk

some of them have plastic bits sticking out im guessing from where they injection molded it

[patent belfry]

do they have any maker stamps on them?

OH ITS MIROTICAPS

he was outed as a pedophile

[crisp patrol]

why couldn't he just be an exit scammer like normal makers

[patent belfry]

lol

[worldly garden]

Damnnn

[orchid sundial]

oh damn

[patent belfry]

https://www.tiktok.com/@miroticaps

maybe imn thinking of someone else

[orchid sundial]

some of their keycaps do look like the ones I got

also it does say that inside it

[patent belfry]

i feel like i remember someone saying that back a few years ago

[orchid sundial]

wild

[patent belfry]

bro still coaches middle school girls volleyball in vancouver, thats insane

[worldly garden]

vert low profile

[charred plank]

Putting my money where my mouth is on keychron

Already bought v1 only to have it confirm to me it's a terrible board for its price

But I bought a v1 max now and q2 to test the same thing with the other two keychrons I see people recommend over boards that in theory and in basically any online test seem to be better

So maybe they'll surprise me

Or, maybe they'll just be the next v1 non max level disappointments

Q2 i can at least mod to be good enough to use though either way

[worldly garden]

Murphy law followed

[open palm]

I got my eyes on the zenaim keyboard now

Really expensive but also very interesting

[spiral mica]

zenaim is nice

I tried them in japan and prob one of the best feeling LP I have tried

and it looks rly goood

[boreal rivet]

Interesting switch

I wonder who manufactures them

[open palm]

Oh damn you got to actually try it?

Thats sick

They're selling it on amazon now for $300

Im considering getting it on march

[spiral mica]

my guess is tokai rika which owns zenaim, the structure doesnt look like anything on the market currently (sllight ressemblence to choc I guess) and tokai rika is probably able to manufacturer it themselves

[open palm]

Actually Im kind of tempted to get it right now 😅

But goddamn that price

[boreal rivet]

That explains where they got the capital and knowledge

Interesting venture though lol

How’s the wobble?

I read the tech brief on their switch and the main focus was minimising wobble

[spiral mica]

dont rly recall but it is definetly better than mx/mx style he

[patent belfry]

thocky keybor

[thorny ferry]

Give
Me

[chrome raft]

no im currently typing the bible in japanese

[thorny ferry]

Ok sorry

[worldly garden]

Ortho ortho

[crisp patrol]

kanji board?

[chrome raft]

ye

[charred birch]

Wait, that's the full kanji kb? If si that's 🔥

[worldly garden]

so hoy

[lone tinsel]

how's the air75 HE keyboard you got there ?

the magnetic hall effect buttons must be pretty nice

[open palm]

Its pretty nice, was my first ever HE keyboard, I use it mostly for osu and some other games

It does sound and feel a bit worse than my Lofree keyboards but it’s still good

Biggest gripe would be the fact that its not a true low profile keyboard

The switches have pretty much the same travel distance as high profile

[still moat]

So last month I bought my first Linear switch keyboard. The ROG Strix Scope II with those nice Snow switches.

I... Don't like the keyboard much.

The board is hard.

No gasket mount or anything to dampen the feeling when you bottom out the key

Which has taught me that I will probably always prefer tactile switches going forward. The bump makes the press feel softer.

The snow switches themselves are nice. They are prelubed, so they're very smooth and silent.

But without something to make the bottom feel softer, I can't enjoy them.

Is there any mods that could be done to improve this?

[frigid bronze]

anyone know of any keyboards with a layout like the keychron Q65 (macro keys on the left, don't mind if its larger) but without the $150 price tag (or even something that just exists on the used market)

im very obsessed with this macro-keys-on-the-left idea but I'm hoping I won't have to bite the bullet of the price and get that keyboard

i also dont care if i have to do any soldering or sacrifice an ESP32 or what have you

[patent belfry]

thocky keyboard

[fiery pulsar]

Heyo everyone I am trying to get some switches to be specific 1. the Nokelkeys NK Cream 2. the KTT Rose Linear and 3. the ThicThock Shogaki Tactile switshes. I am still unsure which of these 3 I want and wanted some advice on them. Help is very much appreciated ^^

[boreal rivet]

topre 55g

[patent belfry]

thocky keyboard

[silk pumice]

Customized q1 max with hand lubbed zaku switches and epbt oragami keycaps.

[crisp patrol]

not full according to my math

~2500 characters

[stark nexus]

THATS hiragana

[fiery pulsar]

Jonna was talking about this one

[patent belfry]

[empty kayak]

Broken in NK Creams are nice

[patent belfry]

I agree

[timid pivot]

Good news everyone

My insurance claim went through, Keychron is sending me a new package

That was faster than I thought it would take

Now hopefully they didn't contract the same intermediary for delivery...

[worldly garden]

i would take a refund yk

[timid pivot]

Why ?

[worldly garden]

i should be looking ofr naother board already

[timid pivot]

...why ?

[worldly garden]

i want custom

keychron is a prebuilt

[timid pivot]

...okay ? And ?

[patent belfry]

I'd say if you can't provide help to their question to not interject

[patent belfry]

Don't you have something

[urban panther]

Hand lubing is the best

[lone tinsel]

do you all think I should try o-rings on my switches ?

its relatively inexpensive and not too hard

• ive never done mods on a keeb

[spiral mica]

no

its shit

[worldly garden]

if u want ur mechanical keyboard to feel like a membrane sure

[bitter oar]

not worth it

[lone tinsel]

got it

i just want to mod my keyboard without going too in-depth

since the switches are factory lubed
a lot (its all on the pcb as well lol)

[vague raven]

what are some quiet switches? i heard lubing them makes them quieter but idk if i want to do that

[patent belfry]

MX silents

[empty kayak]

Keychron has barbones options

[worldly garden]

Thats overlube

[empty kayak]

Factory lube is only good on some switches. I always lube mine regardless if they are from the factory.

I hate lubing Kailh type switches tho. They never open easily.

[patent belfry]

lubed springs only >>

[empty kayak]

I bag lube mine with super lube

[patent belfry]

Korean way with LSD oil ✋🏿

wobbies

[worldly garden]

Slaps

[timid pivot]

Were you talking to me or lee ?
I'm super lost

I understood nothing of that interaction

[patent belfry]

😎

[chrome raft]

my rk61 works on my laptop but on my pc its on but not working

[patent belfry]

my keyboard is keyboard but won't keyboard when keyboard to keyboard

[boreal rivet]

you should buy a realforce

[shut sierra]

LSD oil as in... differential oil? For a car?

[patent belfry]

yes

[shut sierra]

Interesting lol never heard of that being used for springs, whats the reason? Just due to the properties of the fluid? Why use that vs. other "keyboard specific" lubes?

[patent belfry]

very cheap, tons of it. used before "keyboard" lubricants

only downside is the smell, but who cares

[shut sierra]

Yea thats super fair, makes sense. And I assume feel/effect is pretty much the same?

[patent belfry]

I find my springs have 0 ping with it

[shut sierra]

oh lol true, didnt think of that before you mentioned it xD

Neat Ill have to try that out then, Ill keep it in mind 🙂

Thanks for the info

[static pilot]

im gonna do something funny... im gonna attempt to game on an old dell keyboard LOL

and yes i know it was dusty LOL

[static pilot]

thats a nice looking keyboard

[patent belfry]

THANKS!

[static pilot]

beautiful keyboard

[arctic shuttle]

I need that marble thock

[charred plank]

Crazy it costs almost as much as neo75cu

[shut sierra]

Some people invest in stocks, this guy invests in switches

[worldly garden]

#1 vb owner in NA

[static pilot]

It’s gonna be a while before I hear back from razer

[hidden pulsar]

Anyone has tried a redragon horus k621?

[lone tinsel]

bro got the lego multipack switches set lol

looks like its from one of these

[hidden pulsar]

Do you by chance hate money?

[patent belfry]

???

[hidden pulsar]

Why do you have thousands if keyboard switches?

[worldly garden]

why not ?

i do have a couple of hundreads too

[patent belfry]

for dozens of keyboard builds

[hidden pulsar]

How do you afford em? Keeb switches are expensive af

[worldly garden]

i have a job

[hidden pulsar]

Yeah, but like

In this economy having dozens of keyboard switches

[patent belfry]

dozens of keyboards

[worldly garden]

still, i have a job

keeb switches is not that expensive

like 30-50 cents per got u some hmx's

[shut sierra]

What switch is it btw?

[worldly garden]

vintage cherry black

[bitter oar]

date?

[worldly garden]

idk ask him

[boreal rivet]

very surprised you would know anything about vints at all kvetinky

[bitter oar]

?

[worldly garden]

this guy will not recognize the difference between a good ob stems and actual vb stems

[bitter oar]

if you expect me to feed your rage bait no thanks.

[worldly garden]

im just saying

is good to see u back from volunteering

[patent belfry]

88

[bitter oar]

He's buying them cause he likes them, used to them. And they do hold value well

[patent belfry]

I buy them because they are better and cheaper than every switch on the market.

[bitter oar]

If you manage to get them <15¢ a switch and "best" is subjective

[shut sierra]

Neat thanks

[patent belfry]

cheaper

[patent belfry]

it's ok to be wrong

I paid 2 cents a switch

[bitter oar]

Not everyone can though for such price and there is no thing such as best switch, availability includes the best part, they're also usually stolen switches from vintage boards, that on itself can be an issue cause of solder residue, not everyone would like the sound profile and above average actuation point

They're best for you*

[hidden pulsar]

Ok

[patent belfry]

you're objectively wrong

[hidden pulsar]

N
The new stocks is keeb switches

[bitter oar]

Okay, explain

[hidden pulsar]

Soo 2$ for 100 switches?

[patent belfry]

well it was 1.8 cents a switch technically, I rounded up for the other smooth brain in chat complaining

[hidden pulsar]

Ah

But still 2 bucks for a full size keyboard worth of switches ain't bad

[patent belfry]

you will not find better

[heady dagger]

budget qmk/via 75% keyboard recommendations pls

[worldly garden]

Keychron

[heady dagger]

what model

volume knob is prefered

wireless if possible

[charred plank]

L take

[worldly garden]

Im not into budget keyboards anymore

Give him so names u preferred then

Some

[charred plank]

$180 keychron vs $50 leobog

@heady dagger what's your budget anyways?

Brb

@ me

[heady dagger]

just the cheapest one that fits those requirements

[worldly garden]

Keychron is

[heady dagger]

was looking at lemokey p1 pro but quite expensive

[worldly garden]

If thats ur priorities

[heady dagger]

i want a cheaper alternative

[worldly garden]

Not the best, not the worst

But competitive price

[heady dagger]

[bitter oar]

If you want a cheaper alu boards i'd check chinese markets

[worldly garden]

He wants qmk/via compatible

He did not mention anything else

[bitter oar]

Yes, there are compatible chinese boards w qmk

[heady dagger]

75%, wireless and volume knob

[heady dagger]

like what

[worldly garden]

Nd75

[heady dagger]

what brand is that

[worldly garden]

U can find it on google

Chillkey

[heady dagger]

flex cut or non flex cut

and are the blue switches linear

[worldly garden]

Optional

[bitter oar]

Oh a knob? I overlooked you mentioning it mb

[heady dagger]

i should've mentionned i want linear switches

[heady dagger]

knob isnt necessary

[worldly garden]

Oh nvm nd75 doesnt have knob haha

[heady dagger]

but i dont think nd75 has linear option

[worldly garden]

There are

[heady dagger]

blues are tactile though

arent they

[worldly garden]

Thats just their name

[heady dagger]

idk about this keyboard

any other options?

[worldly garden]

Monsgeek m1w

[heady dagger]

black and white are both discontinued

[worldly garden]

Try fond one used

[boreal rivet]

just buy a realforce

[worldly garden]

He likes linear

[bitter oar]

blue lotus is linear

[heady dagger]

oh

what is the diff between ansi and iso

[worldly garden]

Iso is for european normies

Ansi is for rest of the world

[heady dagger]

what are the most linears of those

i hate choosing switches online

you dont know what they sound like

the akko v3 piano pro cost a little more than the other 2

are they the better switches

[worldly garden]

U want thock go for rosewood

Any works

[bitter oar]

about

[worldly garden]

Plus dont buy directly from the brand site

[heady dagger]

why? where do i buy then

[worldly garden]

Because is a bit more expensive

[heady dagger]

where else

[worldly garden]

Where ? Local vendors

Where are u based

[heady dagger]

Canada

$180 with shipping before taxes on monsgeek website

$200 keeb

[worldly garden]

Oh then fuck no

It is 99 here

[bitter oar]

wb aliexpress and such

[worldly garden]

https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

Avoid aliexpress

[bitter oar]

Why?

[worldly garden]

China dinks

[patent belfry]

fuck AliExpress

[bitter oar]

Clarify why

Their buyer protection is solid

[heady dagger]

its cheaper on monsgeek's official website

[bitter oar]

Doesn't have to be monsgeek, just search "aluminum keyboard" on aliexpress and pick whichever board you may like

[heady dagger]

yeah but i want that one

leobog hi75

is that a good ali express keyboard

C$112

[bitter oar]

Doesn't support qmk

[bitter oar]

High price

[heady dagger]

dang

$160 for the monsgeek m3

[bitter oar]

Sk75 can be gotten for around 90 usd

[heady dagger]

wait no it doesnt have switches

[heady dagger]

does that have qmk

[bitter oar]

Yes

[heady dagger]

and good build quality?

woahh the bridge75 looks insaneee

does that have via/qmk

[bitter oar]

I think it does

[heady dagger]

rn those are my options

monsgeek got crazy shipping fees though

bridge75 looks really really good

i might save up for that

[bitter oar]

Yeah, those aren't really worth it at 200 cad, you shouldn't

[heady dagger]

oh

you'd get the womier?

btw my current keyboard is epomaker th80x

its kinda crap

the 2.4ghz dongle is fried so i gotta use it wired now

[bitter oar]

I've had a dozen monsgeeks they be ok but not worth more than like 50 usd for the barebones

[heady dagger]

you've had how many?

[bitter oar]

~15

[heady dagger]

[heady dagger]

bridge75 isn't worth?

[bitter oar]

A lot of them were the same model and some i didn't even open and i resold them later

[heady dagger]

136 usd

[bitter oar]

136 us is on the higher side but sounds ok

[heady dagger]

wait theres tax

15% for me since canada

[bitter oar]

Then no

[heady dagger]

so 226 cad

157

usd

[heady dagger]

yeah but if i spend less i'll get a way worse keyboard

and to get a better keyboard than the bridge75 i'll have to spend way more

ima save up a dollar every hour

i'll get it in 10 days

[bitter oar]

Welp, you could try buying barebone kit or built off taobao, but it takes some effort to buy it through an agent

[heady dagger]

what's taobao

[bitter oar]

basicly aliexpress but not international, asia mostly

[heady dagger]

barebone bridge 75 aren't on ali

[heady dagger]

some effort?

how difficult

wait theres the bridge 75 and bridge75 plus

what are the diffs

adds $15 to the cost

oh the rgb

boyy its so expensivee

i've never spent so much on a rectangular piece of metal

i need help funding thisss

[bitter oar]

Placing order request, asking the agent to provide cheaper economy shipping if possible, shipping may turn out to be expensive due to weight, waiting for the order

[heady dagger]

what does the bridge 75 max do

[heady dagger]

and the website is in chinese

[bitter oar]

You can translate it but yeah that as well

[heady dagger]

i save $6 if i make a new ali express acc

so 191 before tax

219 after the 15% tax but i dont know if ali express adds that tax

ima check checkout

[bitter oar]

The base models are usually the only worth buying

[heady dagger]

bridge 75 isnt rgb

plus has rgb

max idk

wait i dont think theres tax

lets go

so 191 cad

132 usd

are there promo codes i can add on ali express?

[charred plank]

I'd say get a bridge 75

P1 kinda sucks

[heady dagger]

yes

i've decided

but im tryna save as much

[charred plank]

It's basically like that Q2 I showed being worse than the hi75

[heady dagger]

squeeze a promo code or smth

[bitter oar]

yes, you should buy them when there are codes, aliexpress provides them every 2 weeks

most of the time than not

[heady dagger]

are there some rn

and where do i find them

[patent belfry]

ali express stinky

[worldly garden]

just got this off somewhere

[night night]

The “gamer boards” is so true

[worldly garden]

cute

[patent belfry]

💀

[bitter oar]

in which way are the pcbs defective?

[worldly garden]

Cutie can i have belovedhaku for valentine 😍😍😍🥺🥺🥺🥺

[bitter oar]

out of many boards i’ve had 0 so far were defective to a point where it was causing issue he’s right about the glorious one having brittle sockets, so i wonder based of what’s that “qc” is on the chinese boards

because just categorising all of the chinese boards as “very bad / terrible / major QC issue” is vague without an explanation why

i feel like that list is extra not specific so it avoids any responsibility if it’s used beyond just subjective matters

i’d genuinely like to know the failure rate

[charred plank]

Isn't Foxy is the dude who shills keychron yet hypocritically is schizo about all Chinese brands magically having "bad qc". Idk if he even knows keychron is Chinese lol

Reasoning on the list are nonsense, but I do agree that people shouldn't buy rk or. Glorious boards, but it's cause how they sound for their price

But after that the gamer brand one and drop and highground are the only other sensible part of that list

The rest is him just being schizo

"Chinese so bad qc" meanwhile "get keychron for their qc" (based in Hong Kong China and produced in factories throughout China)

Dudes just odd tbh

He's schizo about QC but doesn't know what QC means or implies

And he's schizo about China brands but shills a brand without knowing it's Chinese

[boreal rivet]

imagine arguing over this when realforce is better anyway

[shut sierra]

Yea, I have an RK (first on the list). As my first keyboard ever it was fine, I learnt how to solder/desolder with it so fine for a project to learn if you don’t want to muck something up, but I do have an issue with the PCB. Still usable but annoying

[bitter oar]

I just hope that list isn’t based off complaints on reddit and such and that he’s objectively basing the “QC issues” from some sort of reviews/teardowns of the pcbs from other users unless he checked the boards himself, if he found issue with each brand it’s still not quite fair to categorise the whole brand as horrible qc

[bitter oar]

which model btw

[shut sierra]

RK61, it has an issue where there is a certain column of keys on the right side of the board (the +, }, right shift, and a 2 others I forget) that when you click, it registers as the whole row being clicked

Although honestly idk if that’s potentially an issue I caused when opening it up and soldering and whatnot, or maybe one I didn’t properly install the ribbon cable? Not sure

[bitter oar]

yeah these have been reported for having issues, the newer models are fine

[shut sierra]

Yes that’s fair. Honestly it’s lasted me a few years at this point and for how much I paid (excluding keycaps cuz I can reuse those) I’m pretty satisfied

Can’t expect a god tier product when paying 60$ Cad

[charred plank]

He isnt

I know him

He doesn't even know what QC means

He just says anything that's Chinese has QC and PCB issues

Doesn't know a thing about PCB design or what QC even means though

And ironically he shills keychron purely for qc when he doesn't know what that means and without realizing keychron is Chinese

[shut sierra]

Realistically most cheap brands probably don’t have crazy QC tho no? It’s probably cheaper for them to ship out pretty much everything and just replace a board if someone complains. I doubt they have extensive QC but that’s just me thinking about it from a cost perspective, not with any real insight on how these companies function

[charred plank]

It's keyboards, not cars

QC process is basically the same on all

They get a visual then a power on test

No brands are doing ir scoping to check for internal microfractures or anything

[shut sierra]

That’s fair, as I said I’m not sure what the process is, I just assume cheaper brands would cut as many corners as possible to max their margins

[charred plank]

They would in other industries

But keyboards are so simple that basically none fail and the QC process is kinda forced to be the same among all

[shut sierra]

Well if almost no boards fail why check?

Like I said why not ship and just replace if someone complains? Probably cheaper

[charred plank]

Because it's still cheaper than a warranty claim to power on 100 boards to find the one that won't power on than to ship it back and forward

Although it's probably more like 1/1000

[shut sierra]

I can’t speak to that, I don’t know what the costs are between both, although it would probably make a really interesting cost analysis

Anyways I was just curious, was some interesting food for thought as a business student, but like I said I have no inside knowledge lol

[charred plank]

Speaking of PCBs though, I found a pretty funny bug in multisim yesterday

Made a circuit that runs on ac and DC on different portions of the circuit, and multisims built in probes as soon as the DC half is connected refuse to read the ac part as ac

They'll read the right values

But they'll only read it as DC

[bitter oar]

i’ve had issues with the trust brand for example, yes it’s literally branded “trust” their mices have sensor issues, occasionally/randomly the sensor just tends to swap horizontal movement for vertical (gxt disan 161) and their mices have cheap i’d even call it they just spray painted thick the mouses and moved on, because with usage the plastic layer started to crumble and falling off, their speakers sound poor (well, they’re cheap) i’d personally never buy that brand unless they improve/d

[charred plank]

So to figure out readings you need to have an inherent understanding of if that portion should be ac or dc

[charred plank]

Yea, most of the time people claim a brand has QC issues it's just an expected failure that big brands can suffer from just as often, but they assume it's an issue cause small brand must be bad and evil

Or it's just them making it up cause they want to shill something worse

[bitter oar]

the sensor surprisingly felt okay considering rest of the mice, that’s where all the positives end, skates, basicly nonexistent coating unless that cheap spray paint count, heavy, buggy, software gets flagged as malware

[patent belfry]

the ultimate Redditor chat

[charred plank]

Ironically the opposite

[patent belfry]

[charred plank]

All these bs qc claims come from reddit wanting to shill the worst products

They do it in every hobby

[patent belfry]

ok budget man

[worldly garden]

Name a china brand that isnt shit

Me first: kbdfans

[patent belfry]

ew kbdfans sucks

[worldly garden]

U told me to buy a 8x earlier

[patent belfry]

no I did not

also the 8x is not a kbdfans board technically

[charred plank]

I need to know why keychron has such bad stock stabs

I swear, they're the least flat wires I've ever seen

[worldly garden]

Price come with quality

[bitter oar]

qc

[worldly garden]

No workers have time to mod each set invidually, let alone any other aspects

[charred plank]

Leobog hi75 had the best tuned stock stabs I've seen and I wouldn't call it a pricey board

Better tuned than any of the aftermarket stabs I bought too

Part of why I consider it so beginner friendly

[worldly garden]

Preference then…

[charred plank]

Who has a preference for non flat stabilizer wires?

[worldly garden]

Idk this is mine

Neo clip ins, will take cherries over it

[charred plank]

I have both neo clip ins and cherry clip ins. I'd say both are okay, but I'd say the hi75 stock plate stabs have more flat wires by a decent bit still

[bitter oar]

if a board doesn’t have rattly stabs, the switches are prelubed good enough, no casing defects, unintentional sharp edges, semi consistent issues with pcbs, issues with firmware, keycaps don’t have visible printing issues, keycaps aren’t warped or offset, etc. something that would affect user experience… that would be considered solid qc for a keyboard
which decent amount of the chinese boards checkmark, ofc not all but a lot do

[charred plank]

Yea, most people just don't use the word QC right

They just use it as a way to justify boards that they can't justify off physical reasonings

[worldly garden]

Wwhat the fuck are you talking about

I will lube my blues and have u recognized if the stabs is rattle or not

[charred plank]

Also, why are gat brown pros just linears that feel scratchy

They feel like my cherry silvers rather than a tactile

It feels like they have a scratchy part of the slide rather than a tactile bump

[worldly garden]

Light bump

[charred plank]

But it's so absurdly light of a bump why even have it

It just makes them feel unlubed instead of feeling like a tactile

[bitter oar]

i intentionally tap of the keycaps that include stabs to check whenever they rick or rattle, if the spacebar fitting is flushed with the stem, if it’s not it usually either ticks or makes an off sound when tapped on by fingernail, wobble, pressing down the keycaps from all corners

[worldly garden]

@patent belfry vb acquired

[bitter oar]

if it passes that i determine that my unit doesn’t rattle/tick

[worldly garden]

Mmm smooth stems

[shut sierra]

I like kdbfans 🙂

[boreal rivet]

realforce is better

[shut sierra]

Thé thing is, you can’t make a claim on QC based on one board lol, every company will have defects, QC affects how many defects are detected and let through or not, so it’s impossible to conclude on QC with just one board

[bitter oar]

stock monsgeek stabs atleast the older versions (iirc v4 or v5 m1’s include different stabs) have a lot of ticking and some rattle unlubed

[bitter oar]

yup

[charred plank]

Failure rate isn't qc though, and expected failures don't tie into QC

But people will use QC as if it means all those

Hell, people will use "QC" when FedEx drops their package

[shut sierra]

That’s why sure Reddit may not have the most reliable info, but doing research/seeing how many other people have issues with a board is how you’ll find out or atleast get a half decent answer

Also it’s not even a QC issue necessarily, if you have 0 QC but make a really good board with barely any defects, you’ll have x amount of defects say 1/10000, but if you make a shitty board with 1/100 defects, and QC only catches 9/10 (1/1000 defect rate) you’ll still have less issues with the first board

[shut sierra]

Quality control catches defective boards after manufacturing, or part way through the process, it’s a way to remove the defective components from the process, and therefore directly affects the final average failure rate of a product as well as the expected failure rate

[charred plank]

Yes, but QC in keyboards is pretty simple

And pretty universal

And I've never seen someone make a claim of qc on keyboards and show a company lacking one of the 2 or 3 actual QC steps a keyboard company would have

[shut sierra]

That doesn’t change the impact it has, whether it’s done or not is what matters, the simplicity simply affects the cost and difficulty for companies to implement it

[shut sierra]

Yes I agree with this I doubt anyone other than workers/friends of workers would have any insight of the process and therefore can’t conclude on QC processes

[charred plank]

Except again, none of the dudes claims are based on a company not doing a visual or power on inspection

It's all just because foxy is kinda schizo and doesn't know what QC means

He thinks all Chinese brands have bad qc but loves keychron simply cause he refuses to understand they're Chinese too

[shut sierra]

Yea its kind of tough to identify if an issue was QC or something else (as you said, shipping) cuz you don’t know if something is wrong till you open the package and it’s not like the board comes with a picture of the unit before leaving factory

There’s no proof of testing or anything so you really have no way of knowing

[bitter oar]

well, not necessarily entirely wrong when an some employee checks the package if it’s not damaged but, yeah i don’t think that would be considered qc rightly but rather just package/delivery inspection
usually it’s just meant in terms of manufacturing/product check if the product works or doesn’t have apparent issues, testing, expected failure rates could be considered a part of qc because atleast they have an idea

[shut sierra]

Yes QC is a term used in manufacturing, anything that happens post product creation is not QC

[charred plank]

Issue is how people use the word QC wrong

[patent belfry]

is this your photo?

[bitter oar]

I mean, using qc as in context of ensuring the delivery company delivers your package intact or not damaged could be technically considered qc, because in this case the “product” is shipping, yes it’s not manufacturing but a delivery company doesn’t manufacture, it depends on the context but yeah it’s not entirely incorrect or correct to use qc that way in modern days

[patent belfry]

you guys are being insufferable

[bitter oar]

yes, i’m aware that i overgeneralize, i just hope ya understand, i don’t express myself the best

[worldly garden]

Yeah

[patent belfry]

what year

send sticker pic

[shut sierra]

No it couldn’t. The final product is sealed and out of the hands of the manufacturer. If the shipping company is checking a package, sure they are performing QC but on the package not the contents, they are only checking their own product/service which is shipping packages, they don’t open the package and check the contents to make sure it’s still ok

[shut sierra]

It’s a public group, no need to read if you aren’t insterested

[worldly garden]

Late date iirc

[bitter oar]

yeah, they’re performing QC on the package

[shut sierra]

Yea exactly

I think I initially misread your first message that’s my bad, I just read it again and yea I see what you mean

[patent belfry]

bold to assume I'm reading what these clowns say

[patent belfry]

show caps

[shut sierra]

Why not just ignore then? If they aren’t worth your time?

[patent belfry]

literally what I'm doing

[worldly garden]

Doesnt come ưith it

[patent belfry]

rip

what a waste that's a good board

[worldly garden]

You know how much i got them for

26 bucks

[patent belfry]

not bad

hopefully they are nice

[main narwhal]

a lot of the chinese hotswap pcbs I USED to get had like, insufficient solder on the hot swap pads, but i haven't had/seen that personally in awhile

[charred plank]

Rebuilt my keychron q2 with better stabs that I tuned and my cerakeys

but its still pretty mid

also did a tape mod and added let on the plastic sheet it comes with and even copper foil on the rear of the pcb

sounds a lot less hollow

But it jsut sounds kinda like id expect a much cheaper board to sound with all these mods

[main narwhal]

what's the foil posed to do

[charred plank]

and doesnt sound on par with the modded lucky 65

[main narwhal]

just more absorption?

[bitter oar]

yeah, did you see what i was doing to the aula f75 pcb? i deliberately wanted to pop the sockets out

[charred plank]

copper foil has a pretty good gain curve

[bitter oar]

with tweezers

[main narwhal]

USED to get as in like

lawd

5 years ago?

6 years? i'm not sure

[charred plank]

does a rreally good at cutting gain to frequencies over 2khz and a really good job at maintaining ut under that

[bitter oar]

they did pop out but it took like great amount of force

[charred plank]

makes it really good when aiming for a deep sound

[main narwhal]

these pcbs had so little solder on them that popping out the socket did no damage to the trace lol

which is...good in a way lol

[charred plank]

but the design of q2 leaves it unable to sound poppy

stock its just really pingy and hollow

[main narwhal]

and it was multiple batches from different chinese vendors, but yeah, long time ago

[charred plank]

modded I got it to sound deep

but like there are cheaper boards that sound deep without as many mods and can sound poppy

[main narwhal]

neo ergo = ❤️

though

I wish they had a legit 65% neo ergo

instead of the gk64 arrow layout

[charred plank]

unironically, I think keychron q series may be the worst sounding aluminum boards money can buy that arent some super obscure meme

or a gamer board

[main narwhal]

some of kprepublic's in house stuff sounded awful lol

they had a lot of variations of fixed plate cases that all sounded super stiff and pingy

[charred plank]

Idk much about those, but this is just horrific knowing its msrp

fortunately I got it basically new for $70

[main narwhal]

including some that were a single sheet of aluminum bent into the shape of a case lol

[charred plank]

but even there its not worth it

besides for the color I like

[main narwhal]

speaking of mods

i had ordered equalz stabs and never used them, and when I cracked open the packaging I was confused coz it came with like 5 or 6 different kind of foam pads

which seems...excessive lol

[charred plank]

I get one for the top of the stem where the wire touches and one for under the stabilizer

[main narwhal]

and some of them didn't seem like they would do anything

[charred plank]

but what are the rest for lol

[main narwhal]

they included foam to put between the wire and the pcb to dampen the "sound of the wire hitting the pcb", but the wire doesn't touch the pcb there

[charred plank]

if the wire is touching the pcb they might need to rework how they straighten their stabs lol

[main narwhal]

foams to put between the stab housing and the pcb, with a punchout for where the slider touches the pcb

because there's a DIFFERENT foam to put in that spot made of a different material

[charred plank]

lol

[main narwhal]

foams to wrap around the wire where it inserts into the housing

and foams for the inside of the slider

[charred plank]

v1 max arrives today

so ill see if thats the one good keychron

or if the whole company is just overhyped mainstreem trash

my hopes arent too high

but gives it more room to maybe impress me

[worldly garden]

u are buying e waste and being aware

[charred plank]

I mean there are a lot of people who would strongly disagree. so far I have seen theyre just idiots, but im giving those people every chance, cause they make up more than half the people giving advice in this hobby

but maybe v1 max is the one shilled keychron that is good

we will see

[worldly garden]

U can afford enthusiastis keyboard but u didnt buy it

Thats not fiancialy wised

[charred plank]

already have neo 75

and got it to sound near perfect to my like

visually its ideal for my setup

and I have the modded lucky 65 that audibly is actually perfect for my likes

so now any keyboards I buy are for fun

until something higher end is interesting enough for me

[heady dagger]

if i get the bridge75 plus from ali am i gonna get an authentic one

$191 CAD

[worldly garden]

Go get the nk keycult

[worldly garden]

Too expensive

[worldly garden]

Ur neo 75 ???

75% is for normies anyway

Rips off tkl’s

[charred plank]

I prefer 65%

But neo ruined the neo65 cu anode choices

[worldly garden]

There are a handfull of high ends 65% id u want to

Neo65 cu isnt high end

Is more like an entry level enthusiast board

Go get the belovedhaku

🥱

[heady dagger]

fr?

[worldly garden]

Smth used locally will be better for sure

U can find deals in mm

[heady dagger]

nothing used

in my area

[worldly garden]

Dm me i will aend a discord where u can find it

[worldly garden]

I understand u want to experience more keyboards but since u have already buy so much budgey stuff why dont u make an “updrage “ and not buying trash

[bitter oar]

please could you clarify why they're trash

point out the issues compared to a high end board

[patent belfry]

hello Redditors

[heady dagger]

whats the highest quality black full desk mat i'm gonna get for around $50 CAD no design or anything preferably

[bitter oar]

depends on how soft you want the mat, surface roughness, glide or control

[shut sierra]

Yea idk what the logic is behind the choice lol

[patent belfry]

sounds like a lie

[heady dagger]

whatever tbh

balanced i guess

[charred plank]

V1 max arrived and tldr it's pretty bad value too

But it's usable at least

[patent belfry]

quit wasting money then

[main narwhal]

i wonder if you could do a topre dactyl type borb

[worldly garden]

They are trash compared to high ends

[bitter oar]

Why

[worldly garden]

Dont sit here and ask ppl why, go and get one to know

U can afford 15 monsgeek board for a reason theb u can afford a high end

Buy some tgr or geonworks

[patent belfry]

they cant

[worldly garden]

Oh yeah i forgot i cant find any in ali

[patent belfry]

I wasn't taking that angle but sure lmfao

https://tenor.com/view/dollar-bills-cash-hello-phone-call-gif-14798132

[worldly garden]

U should buy a belovedhaku for your girlfriend before the price going up

Trust me

[patent belfry]

I was thinking about it and then I remembered its a singa board

[bitter oar]

why are you avoiding my question

[patent belfry]

nobody is avoiding your question, they gave you a reasonable answer.

[bitter oar]

no?

he didn’t explain anything at all

I asked why, I didn’t ask him to recommend me a board to find out myself, do you actually think the chinese slop are the only boards i had/tried?

[patent belfry]

ive not seen proof of nothing contrary

so yes

[bitter oar]

i also asked you for clarification why aliexpress sucks, instead you prefered to call it “stinky” completely ignore the question and called me smooth brain

[patent belfry]

ive gotten scammed on ali express 3 times

[bitter oar]

skill issue

literally

[patent belfry]

no

[bitter oar]

you could’ve opened a dispute, you could’ve just not buy obvious scams

[patent belfry]

i participate in groupbuys and sketchy marketplaces daily

i won the dispute but not every person will

its not something I can recommend unless its a seller that ive personally been successful with

[bitter oar]

i’ve been scammed on thermal camera recently because the resolution was misleading all i had to do is contact their 24/7 custom service and i managed to get a refund after being rejected

[patent belfry]

which in the past 10 or so years its been a fat 0 so no recommendation from me

part of this whole hobby thing is to not recommend or talk on something you havent used.

youve admitted to being misled/scammed on the platform and yet you continue to recommend people shop there.

[bitter oar]

that’s really a skill issue because i’ve bought hundreds of products on aliexpress, 5% of which were scams, one time (I) gave up because the seller refused to provide me a return label, if i went further i’d get a full refund

otherwise i won all the disputes

[patent belfry]

5% is a lot

[bitter oar]

includes 50 cent aux cables i ordered

[patent belfry]

don't care the brevity

[bitter oar]

their dispute system is on par with what we have in the west, i don’t know why are you complaining, using appeal that most people can’t do it is their issue, as i said literally a skill issue, even on ebay you can get scammed by the seller if you don’t care enough to provide sufficient proof

[patent belfry]

could have recommended to a 12 year old or someone not very fortunate, what happens when they lose money or a product, that could hit them pretty hard

you asked me for my opinion and now you're saying im complaining?

so delusional

you chose to argue with me after for asking my opinion. so hypocritical or someone who berates others for doing that.

[bitter oar]

that’s up to the parent then

[patent belfry]

delusional

[bitter oar]

i didn’t ask for your opinion, i asked as matter for most people, that you had an issue with aliexpress because of a skill issue is not my problem, same thing may happens when a high end shop for keyboards sends you accidentally the wrong thing, if your skills to prove it are poor you’ll lose money as well

[patent belfry]

[bitter oar]

it’s not really hard to do 3 clicks on the aliexpress site (logged in) to get live support

[patent belfry]

bro what

[worldly garden]

U are promoting a scam site

[patent belfry]

this is a little extreme to say

but i get what u mean

[bitter oar]

okay, be more exact why

please list atleast one thing why the site is a scam

[worldly garden]

U personally got scammed there

[bitter oar]

by the sellers* not the site

[worldly garden]

The site are tolerating sellers like them

So there is no point putting my money in risk for buying “cheap” products there

[bitter oar]

they don’t when i contacted about a scam they created a ticket for a complaint

[patent belfry]

dont fall for bait diamondlee

[worldly garden]

I mean sure I can’t tell him to use it or not

Just don’t recommend it to everyone u met

[bitter oar]

there are literally scam listings on ebay, why doesn’t ebay filter it manually? it costs money… so they have good return policy to counter that

same with aliexpress

[worldly garden]

Ebay is old

That’s literally skill issue whether u can recognize a scam or not

I love my money, so i always pass on sketchy deals

[bitter oar]

i don’t lol only if it’s related to what someone wants to buy

[worldly garden]

U do !

Whenever i saw u around

[bitter oar]

how i’m supposted to know to know that i get sold a broken aux cable?

[worldly garden]

U should buy xyz and they are listed in ali

[bitter oar]

the sellers are scamming, not the site

if you deliberately want to scam yourself with $3 2tb usb flash drives sure

even ebay has/had those

[bitter oar]

i don’t recommend aliexpress over other sites/retailers unless the same thing costs less on aliexpress including shipping and taxes

[worldly garden]

Brb im at funeral

*a

[bitter oar]

that’s important, whenever you saw me not how often i actually did

[bitter oar]

aight

[worldly garden]

Thats how i judge you and ur shopping preferences

[bitter oar]

okay, so to the original point, why do you think the site is a scam?

well, not why you think but why it actually would be a scam?

is that just your opinion or the scam is actually a scam

if it’s not just your opinion then list a reason

so far you’ve just pointed on the sellers scamming, not the site, the site does not support scams

[worldly garden]

I dont know anywhere is, however they are tolerating scammers to do business here

[bitter oar]

they don’t.

[worldly garden]

Take ur time as i wont be reading what most u say if u take that long to type

[bitter oar]

could you backup your claim how they’re tolerating the scams?

[bitter oar]

okay, so i assume you just assume because there are scam listing laying on the site
why does not ebay or amazon hire more exployees to check the ongoing scams on their site, when they don’t it does not automatically mean the site is a scam, there can be multiple reasons why they seemingly “tolerate” those scams and quite a few of the reasons may not even be intentionally

you should’ve phrased your argument like aliexpress sellers are scammers, even that would be incorrect as it is a generalization, should’ve said “a lot” or to watch for them

[patent belfry]

holy shit you guys are still yapping away in here

[bitter oar]

it started because what you’ve said is misleading, dismissed to clarify why

[patent belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/toilet-smoking-gif-25020845

[bitter oar]

you’re not obligated to answer me, but then don’t back up or attempt to reinforce your arguments by making fun of me

without actually answering the question

is it that hard to specify what’s worse about mid range or “entry-level enthusiast” boards comparated to high end ones?

[shut sierra]

I hate to say but but I’ve gotta agree with your logic. I could never recommend Aliexpress as a vendor for many personal reasons, not to mention the points you bring up

@bitter oar I think you should take a step back and read the points they are presenting a bit more objectively. They make some good points that morally I’ve gotta agree with

[worldly garden]

Buy one and experience it yourself

[shut sierra]

Or, if you’re really hard set on supporting Ali, both Lee and thocky presented their points and logic, so if you’re still set on your position just agree to disagree 🤷‍♂️

[patent belfry]

[worldly garden]

Bro talked like a seeder

Thats why most people he “discuss” to is annoyed

[bitter oar]

most? ask everyone that i’ve talked to and see if 51% agree, it’s mostly people from the kbd server that are annoyed because y’all mostly share similar opinions

[worldly garden]

U arent in there

[bitter oar]

not to mention that using 12 year old excuse is a poor argument, you’re telling me a 12 year old will manage on his own in case something goes wrong with his order from an “actual” vendor?

[heady dagger]

CAD $175 for bridge75 plus white version, marketplace, says its new he recieved dec11 good deal?

[worldly garden]

Their odds are lower than aliexpress, asl any enthusiast and they would agree

[bitter oar]

how do you know they’re lower?

than which vendor? on average? your argument is very vague imo

[worldly garden]

i buy from them

[bitter oar]

okay and…

or are you mixing odds and chances with your personal experience?

[worldly garden]

and i recived the goods ?

personal and everyone whos aware of what they buying

[bitter oar]

oh the classic anecdote argument

[worldly garden]

we ar not argue

[bitter oar]

oh i’ll also do that, whenever i was buying (properly) on aliexpress i’ve never got scammed, so nobody else will

i feel that logic

[worldly garden]

everyone wasnt scammed

[bitter oar]

you should not mix up odds and purchases based off your experience

[worldly garden]

odds are close to zero than in ali

[bitter oar]

how do you know

[worldly garden]

i bought from both places

[bitter oar]

you still haven’t answered

[worldly garden]

and most people else

[bitter oar]

anecdote.

[bitter oar]

most, okay, atleast give me proper examples

how do you know who has had an issue with such vendors or not

if you’re basing it off few people

[worldly garden]

how about u buy smth from an actual custom "keyboard" vendor then we can talk

[bitter oar]

why are you suggesting me this when i’m asking why their odds are lower

[worldly garden]

for u to experiment it out

u like experiments yeah

rose75 by newone, a new keyboard maker

give it a try

[bitter oar]

if aliexpress has let’s say 1% chance, then the vendor would have to have even lower missent packages/ wrong goods sent than that, so if i receive the keyboard intact that was highly in favor of odds

[worldly garden]

they give better support than aliexpress for sure, since they control a smaller amount of customers

[crisp patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapping-level-today-catastrophic-yapanese-gif-13513208407930173397

[bitter oar]

you don’t know if they’re higher or not basing it off even if i’d purchase 10 times in different locations because the number is too low

[bitter oar]

the original argument was aliexpress was a scam, and 12 year olds

managing in case they get scammed or not receive the package

as said not everyone can file a dispute and actually win the money over back just as someone to prove they received wrong goods or the if package arrived at all

[worldly garden]

gk61 users

🥱

is the volunteer organization that jonna recommended u kick uoutfor yap too much kvet

i can help u find another one

[bitter oar]

.

[heady dagger]

CAD $175 for bridge75 plus white version, marketplace, says its new he recieved dec11 good deal?

[bitter oar]

including shipping?

[heady dagger]

he lives close to me

[worldly garden]

any other deals

i sent u some tofu

in dms

check that out

[heady dagger]

tofu isnt 75%

[worldly garden]

oh u want a 75%

ok

i will lyk if i can find one

[bitter oar]

also, how do you know this as well? “for sure”

is that another personal experience

[worldly garden]

because all u know is aliexpress shit

go outside and meet real people for once

go to a meet up

[bitter oar]

did you lose your temper?

[worldly garden]

not at all

why would u when u are listening to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0pdQU87dc8&list=RD_jEP347F6_g&index=5

as i said all you know is aliexpress

[bitter oar]

you seem to be stucked in circular reason, they’re shit because they’re shit, aliexpress sellers are scammers therefore aliexpress is a scam (despite not providing any proof whatsoever that aliexpress supports those listings), you are switching arguments before answering the original one

[worldly garden]

name me somewhere else that u get keyboard accesories that isnt ali then

[bitter oar]

that isn’t sold on aliexpress or what i didn’t purchase from aliexpress

[worldly garden]

lets say i want to get a qk65 v3

where would u get it

[bitter oar]

cheapest vendor

[worldly garden]

name it

[bitter oar]

cheapest.

[worldly garden]

u cant name it yeah

i know

[bitter oar]

i haven’t checked all the vendors, you’re jumping to conclusions

[worldly garden]

go ahead

take ur time

[bitter oar]

is there even a v3

[worldly garden]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/1fp1urg/qk65v3_raw_avocado/?rdt=37402

you dont even know what the hell is qk

[bitter oar]

are what are you trying to prove here

[worldly garden]

there are v2 calssic so this is the v3

[bitter oar]

it’s not called v3

[worldly garden]

v2 is their variation without screen

[shut sierra]

Damn i had time to go play some games and yall are still on this, just drop it at this point its running in circles

[worldly garden]

its not avalible in aliexpress

[bitter oar]

it is not called v3

[worldly garden]

thats their 3rd version

[bitter oar]

it is not called a v3.

where are you missing the point i wonder?

[worldly garden]

this guy is patheic

[bitter oar]

i don’t care what version it is, you deliberately or unintentionally gave me the wrong name and you still expect to dig yourself out

[worldly garden]

argue over namings

[bitter oar]

or you just cannot admit you’re being absolutely wrong

[shut sierra]

dont stoop down to name calling either though its pointless

[bitter oar]

v2 with or without the screen is still a v2

[worldly garden]

do u even know their family tree

or do i have to message a qk staff to clarify

[bitter oar]

you could’ve clearly specified it better, a v2 without a screen or a v2 with a screen

v3 is wrong.

[worldly garden]

without me telling u wont even know what brand is qk

[bitter oar]

you’re switching argument again sigh

[worldly garden]

im just saying

man is saturday i have all time for this

i gave u advice to go experience more keyboard things and not sticking to ali

is up to you, then

[bitter oar]

you make it sound like aliexpress is the only place where i buy keyboards

[worldly garden]

where else ?

[bitter oar]

you literally could’ve called the qk65v2 anything but a v3 because it’s confusing

[worldly garden]

ok my mistake

now where else u buy keyboards ?