peripherals

[spiral mica]

its like q1 but stabs are usable and looks decent

[worldly garden]

😂

[charred plank]

I'd probably take hi75 over p1 tbh

And it's a little more than a third the price

[worldly garden]

i will find used sati over both

[charred plank]

No via support tbf

[spiral mica]

hi75 is ass for the price out of china

[worldly garden]

100-130 in used market

[spiral mica]

very pingy, knob wobble

and the coating is shit

[worldly garden]

just get m1w

[charred plank]

Hi75 isn't pingy, but the knob is kinda annoying

[worldly garden]

doa force break and replace the stabs

45$ brand new

[spiral mica]

this

bit outdated but the overall experience is very nice

[worldly garden]

will be pingy if u dont force break the case

[charred plank]

Here are the surfaces on one of the cherry switches before I lubed it

[worldly garden]

their screw is ass

[worldly garden]

is that gray

[charred plank]

Speed silver switches

[spiral mica]

it includes force break tape no?

[worldly garden]

idts

[spiral mica]

oh

well chinese ver doesnt

but I thought int ver does

[worldly garden]

int ver only difference is qmk/via compatible

thats what i know from old gens

idk what does the m1w-v3-sp up these days

[bitter oar]

this one literally pings out of stock

[spiral mica]

less than hi75

[bitter oar]

when you knock on it or like type too, monsgeek boards aren’t exception to ping

[bitter oar]

similar level

[spiral mica]

way less from my experience

only big problem with m1 is the stabs

kinda ass

[worldly garden]

did u own any ?

[bitter oar]

welp, i’ve had two m1’s now and it seems like each one has different amount of ping, yes i made sure both had screws tightened

[worldly garden]

og version or wireless

[bitter oar]

i’ve owned like 15 monsgeek boards, some of them i didn’t open but i did check the m7’s ping too on one of the boards when i was checking, and the other one i didn’t sell previously, also inconsistent (i haven’t opened those)

[worldly garden]

thats about 1k5 total if u bought it breand new

[bitter oar]

one pinged more than the other, slightly different pitch

[worldly garden]

why dont u get smth else properly

[spiral mica]

me when there can be differences between different boards

[bitter oar]

same model, different ping, not between two models

[spiral mica]

yeah

[bitter oar]

i’d not say the hi75 pings less, it’s about the same

[worldly garden]

their case batch is slightly different

as expected

[spiral mica]

^

[bitter oar]

yup

[bitter oar]

because… hobby?

[worldly garden]

still wondering with the budget buying 15's monsgeek board why dont this guy joined kohaku raffle

[bitter oar]

because i mod each board differently, experiment.

[worldly garden]

....

just mod one single board/1 model 15 times

[bitter oar]

you know that some of the mods cannot be undone

also, i resell some of my boards to my friends once i don’t need them

it’s not that i lose that much money

and they get a keyboard

i bought like 9 m7’s at once, i’ve already got rid of those, i didn’t even open most of them

they were $30 a pop, retail

[worldly garden]

such as ?

[charred plank]

My weight mod is pretty permanent

Same with my shim mod

[bitter oar]

epoxy, concrete, like it could be undone but too much effort not on the monsgeeks though

[worldly garden]

dink mods

why would u do it

[charred plank]

To mount a weight in a non weighted board

[bitter oar]

experiment as i mentioned

[worldly garden]

@patent belfry i filled my keyboard with concrete, so u dont have to

[charred plank]

Shim mod was to add weight to a high pitched PCB

[worldly garden]

😂

[bitter oar]

weren’t i talking about concrete before hipyo posted the video?

[worldly garden]

how is this revelant to hipyo

plus hipyo filled it w kinetic sand

[bitter oar]

sounds like reference

[worldly garden]

just some inside joke

[patent belfry]

all the thocky keyboards in chat this morning

[bitter oar]

oh, i thought he put concrete inside a keyboard

as well

[worldly garden]

insside concrete there are air bubbles

how would you suppose they turned out

[bitter oar]

fine ig

[worldly garden]

what dumme else mod u done too

😂

bro is challenging hipyo at this point

[patent belfry]

@worldly garden did you find some nos pretool blacks yet or what

I bought a shit load last night

[worldly garden]

still finding

[patent belfry]

wtf

they are everywhere

g80-11900

[worldly garden]

oh yeah

got some

will probably buy it after i figured the shipping's

[patent belfry]

superbuy.com

[worldly garden]

is chirstmas im busy

after the new year

[patent belfry]

ok

[gusty gale]

anyone know where I can get good ansi keyboards in the uk that's not too expensive

[worldly garden]

Prototypist

[west hinge]

Anyone know an okay 75% keyboard for around 75-100 euro netherlands

[timid pivot]

hey guys @worldly garden@bitter oar
so I received the lube package
and either I'm very confused about my expectations for quantity or keychron is

the 105 (very liquidy) is just a 5-6mm layer inside that tiny container
the 205 (solid cream ?) is almost filling up the whole tiny ass tub, it's actually touching the cap

they're still sealed and I sense no leak in the package so...

keyboard is still out there for now, probably gonna get here later this week

[worldly garden]

good that they are generous

wait for the keyboard then

whilist, u should start to learn on how to lube em

[timid pivot]

so it's normal ? I expected 10mL to be much more than that

[worldly garden]

yeah they are suppose to be in a small jar

[timid pivot]

either they didn't put enough 105, either they put too much 205, maybe even both at the same time but that definitely does not look like 10mL vs 15mL

[worldly garden]

can u capture what does the lube jar look like

[timid pivot]

yeah I already went through the tutorial you guys sent me about starting to use mech keebs

[timid pivot]

I did, lemme crop the pics correctly

[worldly garden]

is the first pic

is literally nothing

LOL

[timid pivot]

105 - 205

still sealed as you can see

and I couldn't sense any leaked fluid or stuff like that in the bubble wrap

[worldly garden]

file a complaint

maybe they can support you

[timid pivot]

yeah planned to do so anyways
just by looking at the difference, you can see it's not normal

[worldly garden]

mhm

[prime pivot]

Is the EPOMAKER P75 good?

[worldly garden]

no fuck epomaker

get a nd75

[prime pivot]

I can't decide between the bridge75 or the luminkey75 v2

[spiral mica]

luminkeu

[spiral mica]

are those klube?

they are honestly ass

[timid pivot]

ya

oh ?

[spiral mica]

nothing close to genuen 205

genuine

be careful not to use too much of it

very easy to overlube

[timid pivot]

they were on sale and it's my first mech keeb so I wouldn't be able to tell anyways

[prime pivot]

Why luminkey over the bridge?

[spiral mica]

bridge is nothing special, better than those 75% by a bit and thats ot

but overall experience luminkey is very good

at least for 65

things feels polished and has designs for both acoustics and looks

but then top spec bridge75 is also pretty good honestly

if you dont rly care abt fine details just choose which looks best

[patent belfry]

this is what happens when you don't spend money on proper keyboard things.

[north escarp]

hi, I would like some recommendations for a new and good keyboard. I do Blender on the side, so I would prefer a fullsized one (for Blender you need the numpad), but I think I'll manage if I just swap the keyboard each time, as I don't do it too often nowadays (Too little time, curse you university!). My budget is quite high I think, but I would like to stay in the 150-200€ range, but 200 is not a hard cap. I am from Europe if that matters. I have no prior experience and I do not know anything about building a keyboard. I wouldn't mind doing it myself and learning it in the process tho. Could someone help me out? 🫶 Merry Christmas to you all!🎄

[west hinge]

Anyone know an okay 75% keyboard for around 75-100 euro netherlands

Is yunzii yz75 goodv

[patent belfry]

hey keeb noobs just a reminder, be smart with your Christmas money kids! dont buy garbage!

[worldly garden]

Better acknowledge them how

[boreal rivet]

realforce is a good christmas buy 🙏

[timid pivot]

my brother in christ, this is lube for keyboard parts sold by a keyboard manufacturer, I was just looking for an upgrade from my decade old keyboard and wasn't looking to either break the bank nor spend an unreasonable amount of time figuring out who sell what, so stop being an elitist bitch lecturing my beginner ass and get off your high horse as if I committed the capital sin of not buying stuff that is not up to your standards, got it ?

[patent belfry]

now youre paying twice! more power to ya!

[timid pivot]

the best part of this all is that it'll be better than whatever I have right now and I will enjoy more knowing that you will cringe at the idea I got lube your don't approve of instead of the keyboard itself

[timid pivot]

it was on sale lmao, I didn't pay twice

[patent belfry]

merry christmas dude! hope its a good one

i hope happiness finds you

https://ringerkeys.com/en-ca/collections/lubricants

[timid pivot]

the irony of you telling me this when you were trying to be a superior bitch with your remark from earlier

[timid pivot]

you gotta be shitting me

you're giving me a link to lube that costs thrice as much than keychron's ? and you were trying to mock me for overpaying ?

5mL for 13$ ?

I got both 105 and 205 for 8$

and I got it shipping free overseas too

[patent belfry]

and it seperated and evaporated

wait no it didnt

what are you actually compaining about right now

you got exactly what you paid for

[timid pivot]

you were being all elistist about me getting garbage saying I overpaid for it
I didn't
I'll just file a complaint to keychron and get another one for free

[patent belfry]

you got what you paid for

not sure what there is to RMA

[timid pivot]

have you seen the pictures I posted ? did you know how much lube in volume was I supposed to get ?

there is clearly not enough 105, I just sent them the details, they'll just send me another one

[patent belfry]

thats enough 105 to lube like 20 keyboards

and enough 205 to do like 300 switches or more

• stabs

[timid pivot]

the day that amount will be 10mL is the day whiskey glasses will be shot glasses

[patent belfry]

https://www.keychron.com/products/klube
if you bought this, you got exaxctly what you paid for

[timid pivot]

no I didn't
they're supposed to package 105 per 10mL and 205 per 15mL, that's a 2:3 ratio
I have between x2.5 and x3 as much 205 than I got 105
this isn't weight, this is volume, you can observe that with your eyes
if the 205 is correctly filled with 15mL, then the 105 is missing at least 2/3rds of what it should contain

[patent belfry]

ringerkeys > random non descript lubricant

hopefully keychron gives you free lubricant

[timid pivot]

flash news : I don't fucking care
I am not paying the same amount for a third of the volume plus shipping
keychron tells me they put 105 and 205 in those jars is all the same to me, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyways
so keep cringing and telling me I bought crap when this (very likely) much better than this 40$ nondescript "gaming keyboard" from a random chinese brand I bought in october 2014

[patent belfry]

he's an angry elf

https://tenor.com/view/got-game-of-thrones-finale-peter-dinklage-tyrion-gif-14166837

cool it with the hostility

[timid pivot]

says the one that started this shit with your elitism, borderlining on gatekeeping

[patent belfry]

Just because you got an answer that didn't allign with whatever you had going on in your head, doesn't equate to me gatekeeping or being elite. keep looking for straws...strawman.

[boreal rivet]

chill everyone

just buy a realforce

[patent belfry]

for real

[shut sierra]

Yea the dudes an idiot ignore them tbh

[patent belfry]

love how we resort to name calling when we are wrong.

[shut sierra]

Not because we are wrong, because you are being mean and elitest for no reason. You provided no valuable information or help, you simply said he got “scammed” with no explanation. Also, even if he did get scammed, there are much nicer and more respectful, more HELPFUL ways of explaining that may be the case

Have some basic respect for others, there’s no reason to act that way

[worldly garden]

ez rage bait

[patent belfry]

I dont need to say things in a way thats comfy for you, get a grip, obvious rage bait.

[shut sierra]

So you’re proving my point. Why rage bait? It’s unproductive and unhelpful to those new and wanting to learn the hobby. I know you’re not an idiot and I apologize for calling you that; on the contrary I’m sure you know a lot about keyboards, a lot more than me. Put your knowledge to good use and help others rather than putting them down

[patent belfry]

i tried to help the guy and dude flew off the handle. cant help those who dont want to be helped

[worldly garden]

have a merry chirstmas and stop having nonsense arguments wont ya

[shut sierra]

I understand you were trying to help, I just don’t think the way you approached it was the best. You started off by saying “this is what happens when you don’t spend money on proper keyboard things”, which isn’t really helpful. You could have simply said something along the lines of “hey that sucks that happened. I’ve had better experiences with other vendors, such as this one:”

[patent belfry]

the solution is to not buy knock off lubricants, buy proper mixes than dont seperate. I linked proper lubricant (someone whos known for being a great lube guy and sponsors my friend)

and i just stated the obvious, thats what happens when you dont buy the right tool for the job

dude was tryna hammer in screws

[shut sierra]

Merry Christmas to you too. We aren’t arguing tho I just wanted to point out there are kinder and more productive ways to address things

[worldly garden]

https://2.taobao.com/item-detail?itemId=856853172889&spm=a2170.xianyu_tbpc_detail.0.0

thoccky this good no

not that shit imo

but way cheaper

[patent belfry]

can you post pics

[shut sierra]

I get that, I don’t question the validity of your claims or the quality of your information, I’m just saying there’s a way to say anything, I just think if you were to say it in a different manner the outcome would’ve been different, and the other dude would have reacted differently

[patent belfry]

if you sent proper xy link, thats a link from your cart

doesnt really look super worth it from what I can see

[shut sierra]

Anyways ive shared my thoughts, again sorry for calling you an idiot, you’re right that name calling is equally unproductive. I’ll drop it, merry Christmas to you both 🙂

[patent belfry]

it's all good

@worldly garden usually if the board is missing caps like that, theres a shit load of dust all up inside and is scratchy af, can't remember if ebay is big in VN or not but thats also worth a try. there are bnib units for sale for relatively cheap

[charred plank]

@patent belfry quick question

[worldly garden]

distance is the problem, will make the shipping cost the board value itself

[charred plank]

Do you know what the weight of a normal full gmk set is?

[worldly garden]

oh nvm i had some cousin live in MA

[worldly garden]

base kit?

[patent belfry]

like the entire thing?

or whats on the keyboard

[charred plank]

Trying to estimate production cost, cause someone in another server thinks it's about $50 to produce each set

I think it's significantly lower in production cost (not to say it's worth it or not at or above those prices, just to clarify margin)

[charred plank]

Just the caps

[charred plank]

Yea

[patent belfry]

ok so, if you dont have molds, thats where the price really increases. I would say that operating costs for gmk are quite a lot cheaper and an outlier just because they already have all the tooling manufactured

[charred plank]

I know, but that's a fixed cost

The person was saying per unit

Which would be more net per item production cost

[timid pivot]

Exactly which other way did you expect me to take your remark other than an elitist one ?

No seriously, I'm curious, besides berating me for my choice, did you even consider sharing the link you posted after your dumb replies with a proper explanation at all ? Actually nevermind, there has been a long moment between your remark and my reply so clearly you didn't.

Because when I came in here weeks ago to ask about keyboards and ordered mine, people just told me that I'd need lube to go with it and that keychron's lube, for the amount sold, at the discount it was at, was "good enough even though better lubes existed" so I went with the advice that was provided to me at the time.
I didn't need better, I didn't need pricier, I'll just lube the keyboard once and forget about it for months if not years. So you were just being an ass.

[patent belfry]

you have to factor in, paying the designer, paying the vendor cut, labout and everything else in between

[charred plank]

That's more gross cost

Net cost would be material and packing and power cost per production unit

[patent belfry]

are you looking at makig your own keyset? a few of my friends ran their gmk sets, i might be able to get a more accurate answer

i would say production cost is no more than like 60$ a set

from gmk at least, dont take my word 100% tho

[timid pivot]

I'm not into the hobby at all so I really don't know why you thought I'd need to buy 5mL of lube at 13$ + shipping when I could get both lube types in greater amount for cheaper

[patent belfry]

5ml of lubricant is enough to lube about 300 switches

more doesnt not equate to better.

[patent belfry]

what is that VND to USD

omg 900k haha

[worldly garden]

1 usd is equal to about 25.2k here

[patent belfry]

what does the board look like? if its like new thats decent

[worldly garden]

that how much i paid ffor my breakfast

[patent belfry]

is the board bnib

[worldly garden]

no

will stick to xianyu then

100$ shipping

no fuck

[patent belfry]

that was like 35$ shipping

[worldly garden]

35$ for the board

[charred plank]

No, just trying to math out the actual production cost

[patent belfry]

gmk production cost is quite high

[charred plank]

Production cost should be roughly $1-4 per lb of caps plus maybe 10 cents or a lot less in power

[boreal rivet]

factor in worker wages

[charred plank]

It's injections

Not much worker wage that isn't just administrative operation cost

Which you don't calculate into per unit cost

That's more gross operation cost

[patent belfry]

no gmk operation cost without all that is still higher than every other mainstream manu

[grizzled dew]

can anyone suggest a good board for cherry mx switches

i want a half kb if it exists

[west hinge]

Anyone know an okay 75% keyboard for around 75-100 euro netherlands
Is yunzii yz75 goodv

[patent belfry]

filco majestouch

[west hinge]

is epomaker.de real?

[west hinge]

I cant cause the shipping price

is the p75 then ok?

[crisp patrol]

hello aliexpress keyboard channel

[patent belfry]

hello aliexpress keyboard channel

[worldly garden]

hello aliexpress keyboard channel

[worldly garden]

Bridge 75

[west hinge]

Shipping to much in netherlands

Any 75% recommend

[worldly garden]

Lookup what’s available there and show me

[west hinge]

Its uhm an epomaker, keychron, polar65 uhm

Cannonkeys maybe

Any deutschland company

[worldly garden]

Yeah what dcannonkeys offer

[west hinge]

Ah nah wait broooo 50 eur shipping

GAWD

Yea like bro idk what to get

Is an gk75 good with 8k pollin

[worldly garden]

U need he ?

Get a wooting

Recommend to take a look at prototypist

They are an uk vendor

[west hinge]

I dont need he or some shi

I kinda hate he xd

[worldly garden]

Keychron

Then

Any q serires

[charred plank]

I finally got a good scale

My neo 75 is 3kg, my lucky is 1.65kg, my attack shark r3 is 45g, my model d2 is 65g, my he6 is 650g with the cable, and my hi75 is 1.47kg

[worldly garden]

Ur neo built w cerakey yeah ?

[charred plank]

Yep

Also weighted the PCB to a degree

With shims

[worldly garden]

Lightweight

[charred plank]

What's the cheapest board to hit the 4kg range?

That's the next step to bench mark my desk

[worldly garden]

U putting ur whole set up at risk for no fucking reason

[charred plank]

Meh

It held a pc that unironically is probably 100lbs

[worldly garden]

Use ur lifting weight then

[charred plank]

Just absolutely filled with steel, copper, and glycol water mix

[worldly garden]

Money doesnt grow on trees

[worldly garden]

Is heavy

[charred plank]

Now I have the pc on it's own dedicated side table shelf

[worldly garden]

Yeah umm get a 173% full brass

50lbs

[patent belfry]

hello all my keyboards

how are we doing this find evening

[high swift]

"Cherry MX noises"

[shut sierra]

starts thoccing aggressively

[west hinge]

Good 65%/75 barebone kit for around 70-80 to netherkands?

Or assembled 65/75 kb

120 for assembled

Remember shipping cost

And anyone know if the gk75 is okay

[patent belfry]

don't waste your Christmas money kids!

[worldly garden]

Yo santa can i have a brg r2 base kit for chirstmas

[patent belfry]

mf said "yo santa" 😹😹

whuddup sanna

[worldly garden]

And hiney

And ruber

Plz 😭

Me no naughty

[worldly garden]

Nothing but a relaxing holiday hbu

[patent belfry]

gonna see if there's any good gmk sales

[west hinge]

I still have an lucky65 kit at my house is it good to use or should i just buy another kit

[worldly garden]

Yes

[west hinge]

Good to use?

[worldly garden]

Nah u fucking right

[patent belfry]

I want to buy darling Latin base

[worldly garden]

Kkb ?

[patent belfry]

gmk

[worldly garden]

Save ur time and buy kkb then ?

[worldly garden]

Yeah

[patent belfry]

why?

it's on sale

[worldly garden]

Similiar quality but the spacebar

[west hinge]

Do u have some recommendations on tactile switches

[worldly garden]

Gmk spacebar is the goat

[patent belfry]

I'm buying gmk bruh

https://novelkeys.com/collections/gmk/products/gmk-cyl-darling-keycaps

[worldly garden]

Swk ghost dragon, everglide pansy v2

[patent belfry]

buy moyu black switches, most tactile ever imo

[worldly garden]

Oh saw this thing opened for gb a while back

[patent belfry]

yes

[worldly garden]

I had no red boards

No reason for darling

[west hinge]

do u have some clacky switch recommendations ?

[worldly garden]

These are clack enough

Ur lucky came with fr4 right

[west hinge]

https://clickeys.nl/products/lucky65-hot-swappable?variant=49610197107029

uh its this one

i got

[boreal rivet]

topre 55g

[west hinge]

Bro im from netherlands i cant get those here

[boreal rivet]

sure you can

buyee

[worldly garden]

Was is “kleckeren”

*what

[west hinge]

where the hell do u see that

[worldly garden]

Klecren or smth loke that

[west hinge]

Wait huh i dont know where u see that xD

[patent belfry]

it goes well on silver, white, red

[charred plank]

V1 is pretty bad stock

Got mine to sound better than my neo 75 even, but I basically remade the whole thing

Lucky 65 v2 should be a lot better

Fixed a lot of the issues v1 had

[west hinge]

Oh fk so should not buy/keep

@charred plank

[charred plank]

If you already have it enjoy it

[west hinge]

Cause maybe i can get an AL66 from yunzii? Or the womier sk65

[charred plank]

I can give you some advice on mods that worked well for it if youd like

[west hinge]

I can just sell for the same price to a friend

[west hinge]

I need a diy kit for around 80/90

Or should i just buy womier sk65 or the yunzii al66

I just hate the knobss

[charred plank]

Neo65 is good if your can stretch the budget a little

[west hinge]

Yea i cant get it in netherlands

[charred plank]

Lucky 65 v2 might be good, but not as good as the neo

Should be a good bit under the total budget though

Will leave you room for some nicer caps and switches

[west hinge]

I got like 75 on amazon to spend and 100 for normal cause i have amazon giftcard

But yea amazon.nl has nothing

[charred plank]

Hoping someone gives me some Amazon gift cards today lol

[west hinge]

Yea got it for christmas xd

[charred plank]

Gave most of my family members $400 worth of gifts but usually don't really get anything from them

They're just all really lazy and bad with money, so usually don't have anything to put towards holidays

[west hinge]

Lucky 65 v2 isnt possible for me also cause shipping is 40

[charred plank]

Don't really mind, but I wish they'd take my advice more often

[west hinge]

God damn 400

Thats much bro

[charred plank]

Check on AliExpress

[west hinge]

Yea thing with that i cant return it there

[charred plank]

Shipping will take longer but should be cheap

[charred plank]

AliExpress takes returns

[west hinge]

Hmm idk if i want aliexpress xd

[charred plank]

And weikav handles their own warranties

[west hinge]

Broo i hate living in the netherlands

Are there any more kits?

Is epomaker.de a good site?

[west hinge]

Is Yunzii AL66 good?

[patent belfry]

love me some Christmas money

[worldly garden]

@charred plank

here, really heavy keyboard

[earnest dock]

Is Aula F75 worth it?

I mean it is cheap but would you say it’s fine for games

[patent belfry]

no

[modest condor]

china slop imo

[earnest dock]

Can you suggest smth else?

[modest condor]

like its a keyboard that types

u could buy a 10 dollar keyboard and play games

[earnest dock]

True but aren’t there delays in responsiveness

[patent belfry]

no

[modest condor]

u can play games on a keyboard from the 80s no problem

[patent belfry]

you're not a pro gamer, it literally doesnt matter you wont tell the difference between a 500$ keyboard and a 5$ keyboard when it comes to "latency"

[modest condor]

that also depends on ur computer and monitor

[earnest dock]

Alr alr, thanks

[vagrant zealot]

Any good low profile keycap sets I can get or any website that is good for browsing some?

I know the nuphy keycaps are pretty nice but am willing to look at other stuff

[charred plank]

Even then, a lot of the time it won't matter cause it's gonna be quantized to either monitor refreshes on your side or on competitive side to the server refreshes

Which are gonna be pretty slow all things considered

Difference between 5ms and 0.5ms in a comp game is a fraction of a fraction of a chance of your data getting in the previous server refresh if you're inputting at the end of a cycle

[shut sierra]

Yea I think the only time it matters is if you care about it from a geek/personal interest perspective, or if you’re playing professionally

[solid harness]

my modified consul 262.9

[patent belfry]

this looks amazing

[open fulcrum]

Very random hypothetical, what would you prefer? high end membrane or low end mechanical keyboard? Not counting in upgrades, although the low end mechanical might be just a tiny bit better than high end membrane customization wise

Since you can probably change keycaps, not exactly sure how common low end hotswap boards are now

Although idk how good high end membrane keyboards and low end mechanical keyboards are too, so maybe both are perfectly fine

[shut sierra]

If you’re cool with soldering I would go cheap mechanical board

I desoldered my 60$ keyboard, lubed it, made some case mods (such as foam) and it feels and sounds great still 3 years later (keep in mind I’ve never owned a high end keyboard so my perspective is biased lol)

[open fulcrum]

Interesting

So at what point are low end mechanical keyboards good and bad?

[shut sierra]

I also bought some nicer keycaps, which added to the cost, but board + lube was like 60/70$

[open fulcrum]

Like are they ok beyond like $20-25

[shut sierra]

Dépends

[open fulcrum]

Or are even they ok at below that

[shut sierra]

Bluetooth board will always be a bit more expensive but not always better

[open fulcrum]

I don’t actually know how well a lot of these cheap mechanical boards are

[shut sierra]

I’d say around the 40-50$ range they start to get decent but with enough modding anything can be solid

I don’t know super well either tho so since you can’t test them all (which would be ideal) rely on videos of people trying them and building/modding them

That’s how I chose mine, some YouTuber said it was really good to mod for the price lol

[open fulcrum]

Im not interested in really getting any, im just curious to see what people would choose between the two

Since I know low end membrane keyboards aren’t great, idk how the mid-high range holds up

[shut sierra]

Fair enough, I’d 100% go mechanical at any budget because you can actually mod it

Heck even solder on completely new switches if you want

But to be fair I don’t know how “nice” membrane boards are, although idk if there much that can be done to save them lol

I think membrane is just inherently mushy and not great feeling

Assuming you aren’t consider mecha-membrane boards

[open fulcrum]

There really isn’t

Besides making some of them less hallow with some foam or something

They typically don’t use a standard type of keycap, so you can’t really customize them, so you basically get what you get

[open fulcrum]

Are the mecha-membrane/mem-chanical that much better?

I have no experience with them

[spiral mica]

the fuck is a mecha membrane

[open fulcrum]

Those fake mechanical membrane keyboards

Essentially instead of the key actually touching the rubber dome it’s a stem which has (typically) a cherry stem keycap on it

So it feels like a mechanical switch (for the most part) just it’s membrane

Although mecha-membrane is an odd term imo

I don’t hear it a lot

[bitter oar]

looks like fancier membrane

[open fulcrum]

That’s all it is

Why membrane at that point? No idea, it’s probably not much more expensive to go the extra mile and have a mechanical switch, but whatever

[shut sierra]

The razer Ornata was my first ever keyboard and is a mechamembrane

As a kid that didn’t know what a mechanical keyboard was at the time I liked it

[spiral mica]

slider on membeane

or slider on dome

[shut sierra]

I think it’s a fine choice if you like really clicky boards, it was SUPER tactile, which is fine if that’s what you like

[spiral mica]

old slider on membrane is honestly decent

[crisp patrol]

topre better

[spiral mica]

[open fulcrum]

Yeah, I just don’t quite understand the decision of keyboard manufacturers with mem-chanical, because it can’t be much cheaper

[shut sierra]

Yea idk, some people might like it, like I will admit the one I had felt very unique. More clicky than all the clicky switches ive tried

So maybe some prefer it

Not sure

[open fulcrum]

Possibly, I mean I haven’t tried one so I can’t say, it just seems weird and unnecessary to me

[shut sierra]

Yea I hear you

[crisp patrol]

correct me if I'm wrong, but dome with slider boards were probably very cheap and mechamembrane looks to be the same thing pretty much

[shut sierra]

Yea I think same thing different word/term

I think they are cheaper to make but not as cheap as membrane, or as a really cheap mechanical lol

[spiral mica]

yeah its just slider on membrane

[crisp patrol]

so yes, dome with slider then

[shut sierra]

Idk razer called it mecha membrane so that marketing is stuck in my head now I guess😂😂

[crisp patrol]

I think it'd be cheaper than mech

[shut sierra]

I’m honestly not sure, like also depends on the quality right? If we’re talking the absolute cheapest board available, between the two, it’s memchanical is probably gonna be less but marginally there are some stupid cheap “temu special” mechanical boards

[spiral mica]

way cheaper

mech switches has a lot of components, slider on membrane is just slider, dome and pcb

and a plate that also acts as housing

[shut sierra]

Yea but manufacturers can buy switches and just install them it’s a universal system so I assume there is tons more availability

Whereas memchanical I assume they need custom molds for plates/sliders/etc. unless they are also just buying that from a vendor

[spiral mica]

they oem membrane too

[shut sierra]

Membrane yes but I assume memchanical is a slightly different process no? Different plate and caps and whatnot right

[spiral mica]

its the same

[crisp patrol]

mech needs contacts and housings

[spiral mica]

slider on membrane is just membrane+slider

[shut sierra]

I see

[crisp patrol]

dome with slider varies a bit though

[shut sierra]

Yea sure, I get what you guys are saying, I’m no vendor lol so idk pricing and standards and whatnot. Main thing I’m uncertain of is whether or not the slider mechanism is standard, or if each company kind of has their own patented systems and whatnot

[crisp patrol]

but some probably are just plate (serving as housing too), slider, domes, and pcb for the whole assembly

[shut sierra]

If it’s standard then yes probably cheaper I just don’t know

[crisp patrol]

ik membrane is literally just the same thing but with slight changes

[boreal rivet]

Standard or not a membrane dws assembly is very easy to design and manufacture

[shut sierra]

Yes I mean memchanical

[boreal rivet]

It’s the same shit

[shut sierra]

Well no lol

[boreal rivet]

Just with a slightly modified slider and housing

[spiral mica]

yes it is

^

[shut sierra]

The pcb and membrane yea

[crisp patrol]

dws = dome with slider

[boreal rivet]

There is no pcb

[spiral mica]

its literally called slider on membrane/slider on dome

[shut sierra]

Ah I see

[crisp patrol]

membrane dws = dome with slider using membrane

[boreal rivet]

The membrane is the pcb

[spiral mica]

????

no

[shut sierra]

Ah my bad I misunderstood

[crisp patrol]

I thought it was the rubber

[spiral mica]

membrane dome touch pcb and completes a circut

[boreal rivet]

You think the membrane is the done sheet?????

No

[crisp patrol]

yes

[shut sierra]

Ok yes this was my understanding lol

[boreal rivet]

The model m is a membrane

[crisp patrol]

idk how it works lmao

[boreal rivet]

It’s very simple

[spiral mica]

wait is it not

[crisp patrol]

not a big ibm person

[spiral mica]

TiL

[boreal rivet]

Go look it up

[crisp patrol]

fiiiine

[shut sierra]

I’m pretty sure the membrane part is… the rubber membrane that has the domes?

It’s all one sheet across the whole board no?

[boreal rivet]

Common misconception

[shut sierra]

With the pcb below?

[boreal rivet]

Otherwise topre is membrane

[spiral mica]

yeah

[boreal rivet]

Which it is not

[spiral mica]

well I know now I guess

[shut sierra]

Mmmmm I’m gonna fact check you on that because I’m not sure, one sec

[crisp patrol]

oh buckling spring

I get it now

[crisp patrol]

it still is dome with slider however

[boreal rivet]

Uh huh

[shut sierra]

Ahhh interesting, so membrane has a rubber pcb

It’s all rubber

[crisp patrol]

is it not

[boreal rivet]

It’s not rubber

[shut sierra]

Can you send me an article then?

[crisp patrol]

the membrane is the pcb with contacts

[boreal rivet]

It is

[crisp patrol]

[boreal rivet]

All you have to do is open up a membrane keyboard

It’s a plastic sheet sandwich

[shut sierra]

… I don’t have one nor do I want to waste à key bord

[crisp patrol]

refer to the diagram for normal membrane on this chart

@shut sierra

[shut sierra]

Yes exaclty, the bottom rubber sheet with the contacts is rubber, hence why I called it à “rubber pcb” 😎

[boreal rivet]

It is not though?

[crisp patrol]

it's basically all you need to know beside the fact that the rubber domes "actuate" on contact with the pcb

[shut sierra]

Yea I get it I think it’s just communication barrier but it’s ok I understand what is meant by membrane, we can move on xD

We’re saying the same thing

[boreal rivet]

We are not

[shut sierra]

Ok, then it’s ok I’m not going to bother discussing it, I understand

[boreal rivet]

Hard to admit you’re wrong

I get it bro

[shut sierra]

No no hahaha I just don’t get what you’re saying differently, and you aren’t providing information against my info. If I’m wrong that’s totally cool I’d rather learn, I just don’t want to waste anyone’s time arguing on the mechanics of à membrane keyboard lol

[boreal rivet]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Membrane_keyboard

Since it’s too difficult to Google

[shut sierra]

This is what u read

*i

I googled it and this is what I saw and described

[boreal rivet]

And you fail to understand it still

Amazing

[shut sierra]

So like I said, communication difference

Why are you being like this? I’m trying to understand and youre being unkind

[spiral mica]

here we go again

[crisp patrol]

@boreal rivetdid you ever get my dm from like a month ago btw

[boreal rivet]

I did

I saw the diamond guy and left

[crisp patrol]

oh

LMAO

respectable

[worldly garden]

Bye

[patent belfry]

[worldly garden]

Topre is endgamer over hyped shit anyway

Not saying is bad

[shut sierra]

What’s the appeal of topre anyways?

[spiral mica]

nah

topre best tactile

maybe behind some alps

[worldly garden]

Gud membrane

[shut sierra]

Right but vs any other tactile mechanical switch, why is topre praised? Sound? Feel? Price? For memes? All of the above?

[patent belfry]

i still think you have to be smoking cat piss to compare topre to tactile alps of any kind

[worldly garden]

Is not mechanical switch

[shut sierra]

It’s a rubber dome type switch no?

[worldly garden]

Yeah that

[shut sierra]

Does it use a standard 3 or 5 pin design? Can it be soldered/hotswapped onto a regular pcb?

[worldly garden]

Not at all

[spiral mica]

no I mean how much I like them

not that I have used many alps

[spiral mica]

feel

[shut sierra]

Oh ok interesting

[worldly garden]

U can change the cases tho

[patent belfry]

speaking of topre, im building an s60 pretty soon

[spiral mica]

talking of topre I found myself a realforce 91ubk jis

are there 3rd party controllers for it

[crisp patrol]

cip has a pcb for it iirc

or one that supports all realforce tkl layouts I forget

[spiral mica]

but afaik it doesnt have a daughterboard right?

I mostly just want detatchable usb c

honestly maybe I will solder in my own

[crisp patrol]

not sure

[patent belfry]

cipulot pcb supports daughterboards

[spiral mica]

no like I want to just replace daughterboard for detatchable usbc

I like my board with stock parts

[patent belfry]

yeah that wont happen

unless you go hhkb

[spiral mica]

thats why I prob gonna solder in my own type c connector

[vagrant coral]

Did some test to my keycaps using acetone, the 3 claimed as pbt (the first three), 1 abs (the farthest from the camera/blue one), only to finds out that pbt smears as well?

The obky keycaps that didnt smear is the one next to the red spacebar (second from the left) no matter how hard i brush it with acetone, no smears.

Oh and the black one is stock keycaps from keychron

[boreal rivet]

Doubleshot pbt is usually a blend

Grey one seems like dyesub pbt which is usually pure pbt

[vagrant coral]

Yep the grey one is shenpo retro (kinda like the windows 98 or ibm style) with dye sub

[vagrant coral]

Ah i see, hence why the smears, so is it hard to find any double shot with pure pbt?

[boreal rivet]

Pure pbt shrinks alot after injection molding

Failure rate goes up if you try to doubleshot pure pbt due to shrinkage

[vagrant coral]

Alright then, thanks for the answers, just trying to check whether the seller is lying or not

[timid pivot]

You gotta be shitting me

Someone stole my keyboard

[worldly garden]

lmao what

[timid pivot]

I get a delivery notification and the picture of where it was dropped

Nothing anywhere

Fucking incompetence, istg

[worldly garden]

file a claim then

[timid pivot]

Why do they drop it IN FRONT OF THE FUCKIN BUILDING around the corner rather than at my house that you can clearly see on the other side of the street ??

[timid pivot]

Oh I'm doing that alright

jfc

[worldly garden]

they suppóe to call you to confirm the shipment ?

they did it all the time here

[timid pivot]

Who's supposed to call me ?
No one did, I got an email saying it got delivered on signature but it wouldn't be the first time a delivery service marked a parcel of mine as signed off when they just dropped it in front of the house

[worldly garden]

oof that sucks

[charred plank]

Delivery driver is gonna type his rebuttal on your keyboard frfr

[timid pivot]

he's welcome to try but whether he stole it or dropped it off in front of the wrong place, I honestly wonder if a 90€ keyboard is worth losing his job over because either way, he just put my package in a public space for everyone to claim and marked it as delivered when no one can confirm it whatsoever

best part is, it was apparently handed over signature, if he's got it, he's welcome to show it, curious to see what "my signature" looks like

[charred plank]

It's gonna be my signature tbh

Can't lie to you

[timid pivot]

har har

[clear notch]

im lookin for a good mechanical keyboard, 100% and german layout. any recommends?max id spent would be 150€

[patent belfry]

that guy won't be fired lol

[worldly garden]

No cctv foootage ?

[main narwhal]

where u got it from? a vendor?

[clear notch]

Idc how Ur Setup Looks, im askin for a good Keyboard i can buy for max. 150€

[crisp patrol]

does he know

[patent belfry]

`fullsize and german

[timid pivot]

Unfortunately not, otherwise I'd have talked to the police directly

[timid pivot]

Keychron directly, shipped from China, it's the delivery guy that fucked up the very last step of the trip by doing less than the bare minimum

[main narwhal]

ask if they paid for shipping insurance

[viral inlet]

@forest acorn have you heard of the madlions mad60he?

[forest acorn]

Nope

[viral inlet]

if yes would you say its a good keyboard

oh lmao

[forest acorn]

Its a magnetic keyboard, not mechanical

Iv heard magnetic is better for gaming but iv only used linear switches for mechanical keyboards

@viral inlet

But for that specific keyboard, idk

Never heard of that brand before

[viral inlet]

its like a wooting clone for very cheap

[viral inlet]

did not know they were different mb man

[forest acorn]

Ur good

I always stick to name brands that ik of, i don't like to buy clones or unknown brands

But if you enjoy the keyboard, that's all that matters

Ppl will have different opinions so just keep an open mind of what others consider good to what you know

My keyboard is like 35 bucks but after new switches and keycaps, its like 80

I hate that discord can't use hdr videos

Heres all i have on my keyboard:

Womier PBT Keycaps - Keycaps 75... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CBR6XFBY?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

EPOMAKER Wisteria 39gf Linear... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BXZXZX74?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

AJAZZ KA820 75% Wired RGB Hot... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CQ4Z2FWG?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

@viral inlet

[viral inlet]

iirc thats called an exploded layout right

[forest acorn]

No

It's a 75% keyboard

[viral inlet]

ive seen everyone call them that

yea

75% exploded or smth

[forest acorn]

Never heard of it being called that

[viral inlet]

like the pgup pgdown and arrow keys are a bit seperated

ngl i love ur keycaps

sound is amazing too

[forest acorn]

Ah I see, learn something new every day 🙂

[forest acorn]

Thanks, i love them too, they feel silky irl, its weird but awesome

It doesn't feel like plastic

[viral inlet]

thats great

[forest acorn]

I linked all the stuff on my keyboard and the keyboard itself above

If you decide to replicate it or what not

[viral inlet]

yesss thank you

[forest acorn]

🙂

[viral inlet]

might cop the keycaps but not the switches cus my keyboard isnt hot swappable 😔

[forest acorn]

Lmao, send me a pic of the bottom of ur current keycaps, I'll tell u if they will work

Just 1 is needed

1 keycap

[viral inlet]

one sec

@forest acorn

[forest acorn]

No

The bottom of it

[viral inlet]

the spacebar?

[forest acorn]

If yours looks like this, they will work

[viral inlet]

OH

my bad

i didnt read bottom i just read keycap 😭

[forest acorn]

Lol

[forest acorn]

Yep, you can use the same keycaps I use

There is different kinds which is why I wanted to make sure

[viral inlet]

lets gooo

[viral inlet]

ah interesting

what are the different kinds?

[forest acorn]

Alot of OEM ones, some low profile ones has little legs instead of a +, etc

[viral inlet]

ohhh interesting

[crisp patrol]

it's awful

https://imgur.com/a/stop-buying-madlions-slop-S7lrqVu

[viral inlet]

thank you

[crisp patrol]

yw

[viral inlet]

great post honestly

so trash build quality, horrible software issues, keyboard breaks straight away

trash support

disconnects

[crisp patrol]

yea

[viral inlet]

oof

[timid pivot]

They did provide package protection and it specifies stealing and delivery accidents

[worldly garden]

8bit

[main narwhal]

ok nice, so they can resolve it for you?

[timid pivot]

Well I sure hope so, still waiting for a reply though

[static pilot]

later today im gonna box my keyboard and get it shipped off to razer

[slim delta]

[hidden siren]

hi my current keyboard started having issues so im looking for a new one aslong as its overall good and budget im fine, i do want to put on a set of custom keycaps though so ill need something hotswappable, does anyone have any recs? tysmm

[worldly garden]

Whats ur budget

[hidden siren]

maybe like 100 or something? Im fine with going a bit over but the cheaper the better

im not too picky

my current keyboard is the k617 fizz or smt which is 60% i believe? it felt a bit small for me tho

[worldly garden]

hmmm

nd75

bridge 75

[lost lodge]

Any new boards for under 14k BDT ($125 USD) that is aluminum, tri mode and has a knob

Monsgeek one taking way too long

[worldly garden]

wait then

maybe hi8 works

[timid pivot]

flash news

my package may not be lost

looks like it was maybe a dumb but simple delivery error

they're still checking the records to establish what happened but that's the gist of the update they sent me

[boreal rivet]

no one cares

[timid pivot]

and I don't care that you don't care, so ?

what's your point ?

[boreal rivet]

my point is go and post this drivel somewhere else

like tech chat

[timid pivot]

how about no ?

[boreal rivet]

ok bruh

just saying

[timid pivot]

actually you don't get a choice, I'm blocking you
last I checked, I was free to talk about my damned keyboard in the keyboard channel

[boreal rivet]

don't really get why you're so pressed

loser type shit

[timid pivot]

geezus man, people policing what others say

absolute pita

[boreal rivet]

am I?

stop projecting buddy

[hidden siren]

tbf you couldve easily just ignored his statement and carried on with your day instead of trying to be rude to him which just brings nothing but negativity

[charred plank]

All I care about is the fact USPS let me sign off on his keyboard so now it's free

[boreal rivet]

so true

[timid pivot]

USPS was never involved

[timid pivot]

I love how "no one cares" just shows that someone cared enough to reply something

[lost lodge]

wb hi86

it has a hot-swap knob

[main narwhal]

Next time just tell him it was a topre board lel

[mild pecan]

Hey yall, i was hoping to get some advice in buying a new HE keyboard

I was just wondering if there were any good options outside of wooting since i find that the pricing is fairly steep and i would rather not wait a couple of months for it to arrive. I am mainly looking for a keyboard that is lower or around the same price as the wooting but still maintains all the expected HE features. I also need the keyboard to be available in ISO-layout and be shippable to Sweden.

Are there any such viable options? Thanks in advance 😄

[worldly garden]

made68

hummingbird

[charred plank]

Got a PC plate to replace my pom plate on neo75

It's a lot better

[lone grove]

What's the best keyboard
With low keys it should be mechanical and have some thock to it I could find it ???.

[worldly garden]

whats ur budget

[frigid owl]

yessir man use your rights 🫡

[lone grove]

Approximtly 200$

[patent belfry]

yo this is such a happy chat today

[main narwhal]

heaby

[still quarry]

I pray for your spacebar lol

[charred plank]

With well tuned stabs it sounds fine

[still quarry]

I mean that it probably returns slower than a 2020 gmk gb

[charred plank]

Yea, the pom pianos handle it decently, but I need to upgrade the spring tbh

Thinking of going to a slightly longer 80g

[still quarry]

good idea

that spacebar already sinking lol

[patent belfry]

sounds like its time to redo stabs

[charred plank]

Nah, it fully returns, just not as fast as lighter bars

[patent belfry]

sounds lke someone needs to redo stabs

[upbeat anchor]

Thoughts of the Viper v2 pro (for 80 usd) and Royal Kludge RK61 (for 50 usd)

• I also have the option of getting the Glorious GMMK 2 RGB for 56 usd (open box)

What I'm looking for

• A wireless keyboard and mice, my budget for it is about 150 usd
• I use a full palm grip when I play games so something that accommodates that would be great

The more advice the merrier

[worldly garden]

Nd75

[forest acorn]

This can't be anymore true
https://youtube.com/shorts/PLAmWJMheoE?si=31Ek9aS4dmgVelXC

[upbeat anchor]

looking for a wireless white keyboard for 80 USD

• The main purpose for it is gaming (mostly fps shooters such as Rainbow Six Siege) and schoolwork
• Hopefully 65%

[forest acorn]

The smaller the keyboard, (normally) the cheaper they are

[forest acorn]

RK ROYAL KLUDGE RK68 Wireless Hot Swappable 65% Mechanical Keyboard, 68 Keys Compact BT5.0 Gaming Keyboard with Stand-Alone Arrow/Control Keys, Tactile Brown Switch https://a.co/d/d3CvF6R

Its hotswapable too so you can customize it

Or mod it

I have an rk61 which is a 60% and it's modded and I swapped the switches and caps

[crisp patrol]

https://imgur.com/a/royal-kludge-is-good-brand-you-should-buy-keyboards-x7LTFwp

[spiral mica]

classic

[still quarry]

the vv2 pro is pretty alright, but for that price you could also go for a pulsar, x2 iirc is 70 bucks. for the keeb do not get a rk

[upbeat anchor]

at this point i can't find suggestions for the kb, do you have any advice for any color keyboard that I can change the key caps of.

• preferably sub 70 usd
• must be wireless
• Key caps must be able to be changed

[still quarry]

all mx boards have changeable keycaps

[upbeat anchor]

those good for fps shooters?

or gaming in general?

[still quarry]

therye mechanical boards

if someone says mechnical keyboard 95% of the time its going to be a mx board

[upbeat anchor]

i cant find 1 under 70 do you have a link to one around that price?

[still quarry]

do you have a specific size you want?

[upbeat anchor]

probably 65%

[still quarry]

hmm you could build a board at that price

[upbeat anchor]

i mean i'm no expert all i can do is change keycaps and whatnot which is what i'm planning to do haha

[worldly garden]

Most 40% will be more expensive than a standard 60/65 lol

[forest acorn]

That's why I added (normally)

40% is quite niche

[still quarry]

well thats the thing, you can then pick your own switches and caps

[worldly garden]

No ?

[upbeat anchor]

i mean how complicated is it, if its just placing stuff on a keyboard i can do that

[forest acorn]

Yes?

[forest acorn]

Switches and keycaps is just pulling them off and plopping in new ones lmao

[still quarry]

for most kits rn its basically that

[upbeat anchor]

alr i can try

do you have a suggestion for a starter kit

[still quarry]

if you can swing it the lucky65 v2

[forest acorn]

Most keyboard that are hotswapable come with everything you need to pull both keycaps and switches

[still quarry]

the lucky65 is wireless and made of metal

has hotswap and is gasket mounted

[worldly garden]

And ball catch

[still quarry]

though thats basially your budget

[worldly garden]

And a so called “bottom weight”

[still quarry]

i just call it a backplate

since its so thin

[upbeat anchor]

which of the options do i pick, im confused by the options , https://weikav.com/product/weikav-lucky65-v2/

[worldly garden]

Yeah but they will advertise it as the keyboard weight

[still quarry]

go aliexpress, you can get it chaper there

like 65 bucks

the first options are just colors, and then layout just stick to ANSI

[upbeat anchor]

alr ill look at ali

[still quarry]

this build will go over budget unfortunately

[boreal rivet]

Buy an m0116

[upbeat anchor]

i mean

[worldly garden]

But tripled the value over the rk for sure

[upbeat anchor]

i'm somewhat flexible and if its like what you say I dont mind paying the premium over shittier kb that will last less

[still quarry]

you can then grab a mouse like a atk f1 pro for 50 bucks

[worldly garden]

Get a neo65

[still quarry]

maybe not that much rn lol

[upbeat anchor]

i'm currently using some 30 dollar one off aliexpress i bought 3 years ago so at this poing id rather invest in something that will last longer

[still quarry]

i will say that getting a wireless board will shorten the lifespan of the board

[upbeat anchor]

how much we talking?

30% off 6 years?

[still quarry]

cant comment

but its like a phone, itll start losing battery life faster and faster

[upbeat anchor]

I don't mind upgrading or changing I just want something that works and that doesn't have keys bugging out or windows button that doesn't work

Ahh i see

[still quarry]

you might just be able to remove the battery after a while but not all models can work without a battery

[upbeat anchor]

sounds good I defo look into this seems pretty intresting

[spiral mica]

they should

[still quarry]

yeah the lucky should last a decent while but its a new board so cant really say anything with confidence rn

[upbeat anchor]

no worries thanks for the help

[worldly garden]

Lucky 7/10 foamboard

I have heard some pcb issues but only some people had it

Most of them are about malfunctioning key binds

[still quarry]

at least it doesnt look like a shitter cast board like the galaxy80

[worldly garden]

Will try to get a transition lite or classic tkl with that budget

[still quarry]

yeah same

[worldly garden]

Transition lite is smth u can go clacky with full foam lol

[still quarry]

oh or even geon f1 FE when that come out

[still quarry]

oh yeah if you get the lucky youll also have to buy switche and caps

[worldly garden]

Yeah turn out will be 80 ish total

[still quarry]

buy 70 of some cheap switch, like leobog or mmd princesses, and then 10 dollar pbt keycaps should do it

~80-90

[worldly garden]

Yeah hmx switches

[still quarry]

therye a bit more expensive arent they

[worldly garden]

Better for sure

Get v2u or xinhai they are pretty affordable

[upbeat anchor]

bet imma take a list of all of these suggestions

[spiral mica]

linear or tactile

[worldly garden]

Gatreon smoothie is another good pick tho

[mortal spear]

is there any keyboard that sounds good with arrow keys and f2 f3 but no num pad

[boreal rivet]

Realforce

[forest acorn]

So a 75%

[twilit rampart]

80% is cooler

[charred plank]

Nah, doesn't have PCB issues. That's mostly just kids claiming it does cause "Chinese so must be bad". V1 has some legitimate issues though. V2 fixed most of them, but both lean a little on the clacky side. Neither actually needs the foam though.

[worldly garden]

Did u rrad the whole thing lol

[patent belfry]

needing foam = bad

[patent belfry]

facts

[charred plank]

No, just I've seen a lot of people claim it has PCB issues on other servers and it usually results in them ranting about it being Chinese if you push them for what the issue is or where they heard it has "PCB issues"

V1 needs to be activated by a keybind though on first use

So I have seen people claim it arrived doa only to find they didn't read the manual and activate it on first use

[patent belfry]

bad PCB = bad

[worldly garden]

Chinsee pcb are dink

[charred plank]

Basically all boards PCB are chinese

[worldly garden]

Plus u should have read my whole context before reply

[worldly garden]

Pardon ?

[charred plank]

Even the boards that aren't Chinese will usually still have their PCB assembled in china

[boreal rivet]

It’s almost as if different PCBs are manufactured and assembled to different standards

[charred plank]

Yea, but on keyboards you're usually just gonna get a pick and place machine and a visual inspection

You're not really gonna get many that are hand soldered and joe forgot to solder one of the ends of a resistor any more

Solder quality on lucky 65 v1 seemed fine

[boreal rivet]

component placement isn't the only factor in quality

[charred plank]

Nothing special

Nothing bad

[charred plank]

It's not like you're getting keyboards with shielded 12 layer pcbs

It's also not like you need minimal PCB gauge on keyboards

Main factor of quality is just gonna be if it works beyond latency and such

But latency is mainly gonna come down to the controller

[boreal rivet]

it isn't about layer count or gauge either obviously

https://imgur.com/a/fab-torture-board-qDmxlmj

[charred plank]

And if it works is mainly gonna come down to if in shipping the solder joints snapped or a trace broke or if an ic has an internal short, which can't really be helped by any design choice

[boreal rivet]

the board shown is an export product

if you know anything about chinese culture

they give the best to export and leave the shit to domestic

if export is this bad imagine how shit domestic boards are

especially on a cheapshit keyboard that has barely changed in years

[charred plank]

Boards like that aren't really binned

They're also not being internalized

They're just being contracted then shipped for assembly

Weikav and wooting and keychron all aren't buying their own pick and place machines and visual inspectors and assembling the PCB one room down from where the chassis is made then another door down putting them together

[boreal rivet]

you think they can afford to bin boards with the margins they have to work with?

yeah no shit

they also pay more for better tolerances

[charred plank]

They give a contractor in China who already owns both specs for a board they want to make and say "I want 5000 boards, please make them then ship them to this address"

[charred plank]

Tolerances are usually whatever they are from the machine

Not like they have a tolerance knob they up or lower built on

[boreal rivet]

you're acting as if a pcb factory only has one type of machine

[charred plank]

No, but for s keyboard you're basically gonna have a tape and reel pick and place machine and an oven stage to melt the solder then a visual inspection machine

Then maybe a manual inspection

You aren't going to contract a company also doing ir scoping for every PCB for a keyboard pcb

[boreal rivet]

I'm talking about pcb milling machines

I really can't tell if you're being willfully ignorant or just stupid

[charred plank]

Ah, you mean for the actual bare PCB fabrication rather than assembly

Yes, there will be some variance there, but like I said, any sensible company will just contract for a 2 layer pcb with the highest and cheapest gauge they can order (not that it matters for a keyboard anyways)

There is also silkscreening, but I wouldn't say a PCB has issues cause the silk screen doesn't look cool enough

The thickness of the PCB will be another production spec, but a thin pcb or thicker one both aren't an issue

But again, basically all these PCBs are assembled by contractors in china and sometimes shipped out for full board assembly in another country, so country isn't a factor in quality.

Country also isn't a factor in quality for the obvious fact that isn't a physical quality descriptor, but I think you get that too.

But back on topic

Lucky 65 v1 has legitimate issues with how it's designed. V2 fixed most of them, but also has some repeated issues

Mainly use of the same silicone PCB gaskets that suck

[patent belfry]

cheap chinese pcbs suck

[charred plank]

That's basically any keyboard pcb

Biggest differentiating factor between PCBs in quality on a keyboard is gonna be controller choice

But that becomes more relevant when you get into latency

[patent belfry]

no, if diodes fall off my pcb I blame cheap china manufacturing end of story. I dont need a rebuttal from you to make a sorry attempt to change my opinion on this topic either.

ive never had problems with GOOD pcbs

[charred plank]

That's mostly gonna come down to shipping, but flex cuts will be more likely to have damage from this in shipping because the PCB can bend easier under pressure and put repeated strain on that joint

[patent belfry]

I say again, good pcbs

[charred plank]

But also, I can't imagine you have many diodes falling off PCBs

[patent belfry]

if i said it, its happened

i dont need you to try and change my opinion

its MY opinion

ive been in the hobby for over a decade at this point

[charred plank]

Fair, but it can happen to any board

Chance just goes up on flex cuts

[patent belfry]

hasnt happened to any of my mechlovin or hiney pcbs

[patent belfry]

i said good pcbs are good

this doesnt quantify a good pcb

[charred plank]

Debatable. Flex cuts have some advantages in terms of self damping and typing damping, but they put a lot of stress on joints if they flex too much or if they're put under a ton of strain in shipping

They're inherently more likely to break as a resukt

But that chance still is small enough that it's not even of relevance in conversation

[patent belfry]

so bad pcbs

gotcha

[charred plank]

Let me ask you a question

[worldly garden]

good pcb

biooc please take the flex cut pcb's out of both our face

[charred plank]

How much worse of a product would you get to decrease your chance of RMA from one in 1000 to 1 in 1005

Or how much more would you pay for that same change

[patent belfry]

i pay for my keyboards

i dont buy cheap slop that i have to RMA yearly

[charred plank]

I was talking doa failures

[patent belfry]

only DOA boards i had were cheap china slop poor designs from client builds