peripherals

[still quarry]

lol

[signal parrot]

thats carved into there btw

[still quarry]

yeah i can tell

[signal parrot]

just re ano fr

[still quarry]

btw this is durock dolphins on a half plate gasket build

[tacit rose]

popol

[signal parrot]

mush

[signal parrot]

yeah

[still quarry]

yeh

[still quarry]

popol

[signal parrot]

all my boards either top mount of oring ngl

[tacit rose]

popolring

[signal parrot]

or hhkb idk what mount that is

[still quarry]

im getting to that point

[still quarry]

integrated

iirc

[signal parrot]

shitty tray mount

just like my salvation

jk thats a goated board

do not mess around

[still quarry]

to be fair it allows the topre sound to move into the case

or something

[tacit rose]

i may be stupid lmao
what is the difference between tray mount and topmount

[signal parrot]

screw bottom, screw top

or no screw

[still quarry]

top mounts have posts surrounding the pcb, tray have posts under the pcb

[signal parrot]

just plop it in

[tacit rose]

o i see

[tacit rose]

thats scary
what if it falls out

[signal parrot]

sucks to suck

[tacit rose]

so tru

it wouldnt be screwed since ur just ploppin it itn

[still quarry]

your board would be screwed

[signal parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg-eCxug2u8 how do you get a haku and choose hotswap

[tacit rose]

n
no
since ur just ploppin it in

[still quarry]

its a joke

[tacit rose]

yes.

[still quarry]

its literally screwed in the case

[signal parrot]

nah

[still quarry]

where the fuck is the vid of the guy hammering his walletburner

[still quarry]

better question why would you put in zuoce switches

i am suprised he acutally built it tsangan tho

[signal parrot]

l9ol

[charred plank]

Love the look of that

Debating swapping them for pom pianos though

[still quarry]

I like me brass

[charred plank]

Brass is honestly a great metal for keyboards

Heavy and resonates at lower frequencies than most metals

[still quarry]

i like it more than SS or copper most times since it doesnt absorb highs as much

a few of my boards with copper kinda sound ass low key

ill be pretty interested when my f1v2 arrives and i can swap teh copper weights with brass ones from my 88

[charred plank]

I prefer lower sounding boards

Thinking of getting a luminkey 60 copper next

[tacit rose]

first u put ur keyboard on the ground
and then u type with ur toes

[charred plank]

Not wrong

[pallid ocean]

Holy carp
I wanted to get Boba U4T's, without knowing the price, and then I saw the price

1 EURO PER SWITCH?!

[still quarry]

Does this thock

[still quarry]

they shouldnt be that expensive lol

though even at their standard .65 per price its pretty much for what youre getting

[pallid ocean]

1. why with your feet 😭😭
2. It's more on the clacky side i think

[tacit rose]

because it's
lower

gee shasii u shouldve charged for that

[pallid ocean]

why is he typing with his feet 😭

[still quarry]

[still quarry]

#peripherals message

[pallid ocean]

Do y'all think it's a good idea to try out knockoff glorious pandas from aliexpress?

[still quarry]

i was looking at the copper weight and frosted pc top one, it looked really cool tbh

[still quarry]

knockoff glorious pandas

lol

[tacit rose]

i hear theyre close enough to the overpriced drop ones

[pallid ocean]

it probably depends on which one

rn i found some for 10 euros

70 pcs

that is mad

[tacit rose]

yeah
ali is goated for things like switches

[still quarry]

those may or may not be fekker

theyre fine

[tacit rose]

fekker pandas are the usual knockoffs people grab yeah

[pallid ocean]

I probably still wouldn't risk it

[tacit rose]

it's a switch
it's not gonna kill your board

[pallid ocean]

I'll just try and see if I can get my hands on some lavender purples

let's hope

🤞

[still quarry]

worse case scenario you just lube them tbh

[pallid ocean]

holy bazongas

I found some

10 euros

[tacit rose]

it's fekker

[pallid ocean]

12 euros actually

but they're 45 pcs

which is enough for probably most of my board

[modest condor]

glorious pandas are knockoffs....

[pallid ocean]

alphakeys, stab keys

and others

[pallid ocean]

oh

didn't know

[tacit rose]

honestly im smad kalih's ali storefronts dont carry mute jades
they have all the other nk collabs except literally this one

[modest condor]

glorious is a shit company , so dont buy anything from them lol

glorishit

[still quarry]

yeah youre just looking for a medium large tactile

[pallid ocean]

overpriced ahh boards

isn't it like 200 euros for a pretty ok aluminum board?

[tacit rose]

i hear gmmk has actual defects lmao
bad company aside

[still quarry]

like only alu

[modest condor]

the glorious boards are not ok tho..

they suck

u can get good boards , full alu with brass/copper weight for >200usd

[tacit rose]

qwertykeys puts out some pretty good kits at that range these days
meletrix stuff too

[still quarry]

and neo line is sub 150

literally no reason to buy glorious

[modest condor]

Neo and Cycle boards

[tacit rose]

i like gmmk's side rgb but that's it
everything else is hot garbage literally everyone else does better

[still quarry]

time to buy a duck

[tacit rose]

i dont want a duck

[pallid ocean]

Here's what I got for 30 euros, what do y'all think?

[still quarry]

definitely sounds like a keybaord

[tacit rose]

i already dropped a good couple of hundo on a zoom75 for the cute se with the engraving
is it overpriced? honestly kinda, given the stuff that's come out since then
but it's cute

[still quarry]

my main problem is that terrible front height lol

that shit almost 23mm right

[tacit rose]

yeah

[signal parrot]

zoom75 sucks

sold mine for 320 though

[tacit rose]

lol

[still quarry]

what the fuck

[signal parrot]

during peak hype

[tacit rose]

it's not Great but that too is a cute tax

[signal parrot]

mine was just white

[tacit rose]

wait can i show off my keyboard rq lol

[still quarry]

why not

[pallid ocean]

holy carp

that numpad

[still quarry]

wow darling

[signal parrot]

is that real darling

[pallid ocean]

what's that on the escape key tho

[tacit rose]

https://mechwild.com/product/murphpad/ this guy
tbh puca is cuter but it doesnt support southpaw so i went with this one

[pallid ocean]

ooo me likey

[tacit rose]

yeah, i didnt even watch franxx but i won it from a local giveaway so i'll use it

[signal parrot]

nah no way

show box

[pallid ocean]

those keycaps look pretty expensive

[modest condor]

last board i bought is 23.385 EKH and 11 degree typing angle

[still quarry]

i mean thats different since the height matches

iirc the zoom ekh is like almost 25mm with a 7 degree

[modest condor]

"5° Typing angle 22.14mm front height"

wtf

[still quarry]

what the fuck 5

[modest condor]

5 degree...

with 22.14 (i doubt thats EKH)

tall fucker lmao

[still quarry]

yeah it felt taller for me

[tacit rose]

https://www.geekark.com/product/40 geekark selenites, the gb was cn exclusive, i copped it off goofish
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005238224763.html holyoops artisan that was originally designed to go with the set
https://www.zfrontier.com/app/flow/29oyOxEkKk3O

[modest condor]

that must be horrible to use lol

[still quarry]

@tacit rose can you confirm

[tacit rose]

feels fine to me

[still quarry]

i salute you

[modest condor]

i guess it would be fine if ur hands are normally floating when u use it

[tacit rose]

yeah that is how i usually type
supposed to be better for the wrists? maybe

[still quarry]

it is

[tacit rose]

real

[modest condor]

i only float with one hand lmao

[still quarry]

bro has to do hhkb arrows too much

[modest condor]

they are doing GMK Darling R2 , its confirmed

[modest condor]

lmao

[tacit rose]

neato
i didnt watch the show

[still quarry]

wow cant wait to join the gb through raffle and then scalp the set for 600usd

[modest condor]

[still quarry]

uhh its mid evangelion

with legal waifus

[modest condor]

i think i watched some of it , it was boring af

[tacit rose]

ive heard lmao
they went full abe shinzo halfway through or some shit

[still quarry]

wow

[signal parrot]

oh

[modest condor]

i kinda want GMK Burgundy

[still quarry]

oh yeah it be super nice

esp on a burgundy board

[modest condor]

would look fire on the Blitz GSR (this is a render)

[tacit rose]

i still think about gmk galaxy sometimes

[modest condor]

yee

picked burgundy for the GSR

[still quarry]

i realyl wish i could get on the gsr gb

[modest condor]

only 5 people signed up...

so only 5 units being made

[still quarry]

wow

[modest condor]

price was pretty much the same tho

[still quarry]

how much was it per unit again lol

[modest condor]

500 bucks

[tacit rose]

https://clickclack.io/pages/jda-the-moon big fan of this set too but it's long dead and bootlegged to hell and back 😭

[still quarry]

yeah thats very reasonable for a 5 unit run tbh

[modest condor]

"This is a $470/$435usd($500/$465usd if total units are less than 15)"

[still quarry]

esp since its like what 3 kg

[modest condor]

from the GB form

[modest condor]

2.4kg unbuilt (just the case)

[still quarry]

so sex

[modest condor]

massive weight

[still quarry]

those legends are... interesting

[still quarry]

gasket mount

[tacit rose]

it's fun! i cant touch type tho 😂

[modest condor]

no

bumpons

and oring

[still quarry]

thank god

[modest condor]

Oring : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpF2DoPWGQ8

bumpon : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcryHIDAXtk

[tacit rose]

selenites had a gibberish alphas kit too
super cute

[signal parrot]

looks like the gsr ngl

oh

[modest condor]

LOL

[still quarry]

LOL

[modest condor]

Lysol does not miss

[signal parrot]

some dude bought my proto from him and tryed to flip

le fishe

[modest condor]

💀

[still quarry]

damn his designs make me want to spray a bottle of lysol into my mouth

[modest condor]

[tacit rose]

sounds like it's working as intended

[signal parrot]

sold for 220 shipped, he was asking 444

[still quarry]

wow

[cunning anvil]

whos lysol

[modest condor]

goated designer

[signal parrot]

goat

[still quarry]

the goat

[signal parrot]

rnt u the pcb dude for the forti

[modest condor]

Yep!

[signal parrot]

when is it droping

in tired

[modest condor]

soon ™️

[signal parrot]

please

[cunning anvil]

so many 40s peeps here lately lol

[modest condor]

have u seen the Førti?

[cunning anvil]

nope

[still quarry]

i mean its in the name lol

[signal parrot]

forti like mini f1

i dont really fw the layout though

much rather have van layout

[cunning anvil]

idk i stay in my little ortho land

[tacit rose]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/xlhnr4
i still think about this thing sometimes...

[signal parrot]

so pcb can be back compact

[modest condor]

@cunning anvil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kpSGEZzgJc

color in the video is shit

[cunning anvil]

what width?

[modest condor]

ehm

its like 13 or something? lmao

dont remember

[cunning anvil]

yeah looks

[modest condor]

pretty sure this was the final PCB layout

[still quarry]

lol

[signal parrot]

[tacit rose]

lots of space for customization in there

[thick totem]

whys it so

long

[ripe anchor]

lmaooooo what have i stumbled into here

[ripe anchor]

looks pretty cool, sounds alright though not my personal preference for sound profile. i imagine it's probably super expensive, i dont think i could ever use a keyboard though with so many missing keys/characters, at least not for my main use

though that's the beautiful thing about being a keyboard nerd, there's something for everyone 🙂

and i bet i could get my WPM score on monkeytype up to something ludicrously fast with a board like that

[still quarry]

what would be your dream layout and sound profile?

[patent belfry]

65%, foam, copper foil, silicone dampening, pbt keycaps, aluminum weight

[still quarry]

lol

[patent belfry]

dont forget cotton

gotta remove that keyboard gain

[still quarry]

isnt there also tape mod on that pcb

[patent belfry]

yeah

w/ aluminum foil

[still quarry]

wtf pbt sa

[patent belfry]

Modified lucky 65

(Added a thin layer of liquid electrictape to the inside and under the gaskets, put a thin layer of copper foil tensioned on top of painters tape behind thr PCB, used copper foil to damp the internal of my stabilized switches, swapped stabilizers to fully modified durock stabilizers, tensioned a layer of copper foil to the top of the plastic plate, used resin to mount a 1lb brass plate to the body, removed battery, and made an extremely thin spread of cotton filament as a diffuser

[still quarry]

straight up would have been cheaper to buy a neo65 and a regular cable

and be happy

[patent belfry]

It's toxic behaviors like that which makes people decide to skip it

So if you care about keyboards and the hobby maybe avoid behaving like that

That doesn't mean you have to pretend everything is perfect ranndom example... If lets say you think copper foil or copper in general instantly make parts bad in contrary to evidence, provide a reason.

[still quarry]

interesting

[patent belfry]

who am i lol

[signal parrot]

not reading al of that

[ripe anchor]

hmm, hard to say, i switch between loving my 96% boards or a 75%...idk how to describe the sound profile but i'm very happy with my board after doing just a tapemod, bandaid mod on the stabilizers and hand lubing the switches/springs/stabilizers

[patent belfry]

popol lol

[still quarry]

can you find a youtube video with what sound you want

[patent belfry]

you should ask bioc for help

[ripe anchor]

i mean i am pretty satisfied with my current sound, however, if i were able to get something that sounded very close to this in the video, i would be thrilled:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVInBOLSqoM

[still quarry]

ah

[patent belfry]

edited audio

[charred plank]

Based and hand lubing pilled

[charred plank]

Difference is shasii is giving legitimate criticisms and reasons. You kinda just say something's bad, see contrary evidence, then try to insult the person proving you wrong

I wouldn't recommend lucky 65 generally. It just was a really good base to mod off of

For anyone else though his advice would probably be better for getting a target sound than doing all the work of modding I did

[patent belfry]

youre being memed shut up

[patent belfry]

do you still have that red tkl you build on stream

[still quarry]

yes

[patent belfry]

whats it called again? i stil lwant one

[still quarry]

uhh the calla

[patent belfry]

the EC kit is out of stock

[still quarry]

yeah i kinda wanted to build the ec vers

[patent belfry]

surely there is someone selling it

would slap so hard with an OEM build

[still quarry]

ye

[crisp patrol]

fokky keybort

[still quarry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055976395257425950/1252387155708219423/screen-20240617-1815272.mp4?ex=66f140ae&is=66efef2e&hm=537c95a5b2717c45c45164667884237da75a065743c1efe8ccb1176f07640015&

[patent belfry]

dude how did i miss that

[charred plank]

Any clue what that keycaps set is?

[ripe anchor]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/176588560453 think i might grab this for my buddy as a bday gift, i have this keycap set and he ilove them, plus i know he needs a new board

[charred plank]

Same color scheme as lasers

[ripe anchor]

looks similar in the thumbnail as the akko neon set

[charred plank]

But all blue and purple instead of partially

[ripe anchor]

https://www.amazon.com/EPOMAKER-Double-Shot-Mechanical-Keyboard-Replacement/dp/B08QTTCTF6

[patent belfry]

gmk mitolet

[patent belfry]

thats a clone

[ripe anchor]

the shift/ctrl etc keys are diff tho nevermind

[patent belfry]

https://matrixzj.github.io/docs/gmk-keycaps/Laser/

https://matrixzj.github.io/docs/gmk-keycaps/Pulse/

[still quarry]

gmk pulse mitolet

[patent belfry]

i just said that lol

[still quarry]

why did someone suggest an epomaker clone set

[charred plank]

Thanks

[still quarry]

bro has you blocked lol

[patent belfry]

thats the extent of users in this channel

[ripe anchor]

just thought the colors looked similar

[patent belfry]

he replied to my message

so no

[charred plank]

Just wasn't checking chat

Thanks to all of y'all though still

[still quarry]

they on sale on drop.com iirc

[charred plank]

I'll probably get that set if I can find a nice purple anodized board I want to use

[patent belfry]

they are 150usd

which is wild for mid gmk

[charred plank]

Would fit my setup perfect

[still quarry]

average drop gmk set price

[patent belfry]

just wait for 89.99 sale

[still quarry]

not as bad as cannonkeys pricing

[charred plank]

Not in a rush

[patent belfry]

cannonkeys is actually so bad lol

[charred plank]

I kinda wish there were more sa profile options

[still quarry]

wow 180 for wob with sublegends

[patent belfry]

lol

[patent belfry]

https://matrixzj.github.io/docs/sa-keycaps

[still quarry]

(i actually want this set)

[patent belfry]

i feel like its still in stock everywhere

[charred plank]

Cherry profile imo just doesn't feel as good or sound as good

[charred plank]

Unironically thanks

[patent belfry]

wts

[still quarry]

whats your price

[patent belfry]

retail xD

[still quarry]

lol

[patent belfry]

oh im stupid I have shashin

not that one

[still quarry]

i would rather take wob and then use whiteout to make the sublegends

oh like gb retail

[patent belfry]

i dont have that one, im just dumb

they have similar names

[still quarry]

yeah

[tacit rose]

isnt that profile kinda high
your buddy will be ok right

[crisp patrol]

toper

[ripe anchor]

i have the same exact keycaps and he likes them, so i am sure it will be fine

[tacit rose]

nice

[patent belfry]

i found so many wack vvideo clips lmao

[crisp patrol]

[chrome raft]

Not sure if this is is the right spot for this, but I accidentally bricked my keyboard recently. Been looking at some online and am curious if anyone would reccomend the one I'm looking at or not really.

[tacit rose]

it's probably fine but personally i think it's uggo
what are you looking for in a keyboard? just an input device? or do you want to go down the customization hole?

[crisp patrol]

how much is that one

[chrome raft]

Aesthetics is not super important for me. It's mostly just functionality for my gaming.

[chrome raft]

Think it was ~175

[tacit rose]

it's probably fine then
gaming keyboards are all similar enough arent they

[crisp patrol]

my god

I paid less for my hhkb pro2 with aged domes

[chrome raft]

Just some variations on sensitivity or customisabimity in terms of software for difference is what I can tell. Only ever had the 1 keyboard though, so I'm a layman of sorts lol.

[chrome raft]

If I understood anything you just said I might react the same way.

[tacit rose]

i think it's like
you can get pretty decent keyboards, HE or otherwise, for a fraction of that price nowadays
or higher build quality at a similar pricepoint
so you're kind of paying for brand tax

ive heard wooting has better software fwiw
they're pretty pricy too tho

[chrome raft]

Might take a look at them quick too then. Never hurts to see what else is out there.

[tacit rose]

wooting is also still super overhyped these days lol
thanks osu players

[crisp patrol]

they do seem to be on top in terms of performance

[tacit rose]

HE is HE is HE tho right
lots of companies making em now ever since wooting blew up and popularized it

[patent belfry]

wooting lol

[tacit rose]

bro wanted options 😂

[chrome raft]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-16146613264901273058

[patent belfry]

have you seen their 80% pricing lol

[crisp patrol]

no

[patent belfry]

it's like 400$ iirc

[tacit rose]

pretty up there for a plastic keyboard 💀

[crisp patrol]

[still quarry]

its <300 for the metal version the plastic version is around 200

still not great but not a scam

[tacit rose]

i hear the zinc one is pretty mid for the price
build-wise

[still quarry]

no shit its supposed to be cast iirc

[tacit rose]

but then i wonder, why zinc over the usual aluminum

[tacit rose]

o i see

[still quarry]

weight

iirc the wooting with zinc case should be ~2.5kg

[tacit rose]

metal paperweight fr

[still quarry]

frfr

ok not that heavy

[tacit rose]

at that pricepoint they couldve put in a cute weight at the back like in enthusiast boards

[still quarry]

but for comparison the q1 he is 1700g

[still quarry]

its almost as if wooting isnt an enthusiast keyboard company

theyre more on the performance side

[tacit rose]

yeah but theyre edging into the enthusiast space with that

[tacit rose]

and yet the quality is, allegedly kinda mid--

[still quarry]

again theyre not making the best custom board for their price tier

theyre making the best software

[tacit rose]

yeah
guess it's brand tax

[still quarry]

i guess, if this board wasnt wooting/hall effect i would say it was like 80 bucks for the pc version and 150 for the zinc

[tacit rose]

there are already HE boards around that price so i really think it's wooting tax

[still quarry]

i personally dont think of it as a wooting tax

unlike razer and logitech they actually prove or at least show tests attempting to prove that they have the best response times and software

[tacit rose]

thats good
razer tax is, really something

[still quarry]

thank god wootility is web based

[grizzled gust]

The gang has taken over this channel lol

[worldly garden]

tragic

[patent belfry]

fr fr

[worldly garden]

Hey guys I'm looking for an aluminum 65% keyboard that's gasket mounted, has pom plate, flex cut pcb, rainbow pvd weight and a knob. My budget is $50

[worldly garden]

can u help me in order to get a new thocky gaming keyboard

[boreal rivet]

Hhkb

[worldly garden]

alright

[worldly garden]

but that doesnt have pvd weight

and out of my budget

😭

[boreal rivet]

Skill issue

[worldly garden]

ok

[cunning anvil]

you gotta do the ol "say something so incredibly obviously wrong so someone will correct you and then you have your answer" here

[worldly garden]

i foam my keyboard with carton is that alright

[cunning anvil]

idk i dont chase that kinda feel

wdym carton?

like egg carton foam?

[worldly garden]

cardboardbox

[cunning anvil]

shrug

i mostly just obsess over layouts lol

sorry

[worldly garden]

i see

u do ortho ?

[cunning anvil]

ye

mostly

[spiral mica]

basically none

pvd weight basically doesnt exist for cheap boards

[still quarry]

40% hhkb goated

[cunning anvil]

30% ortho >:3

although im a huge fan of 30+thumbs

[patent belfry]

big fan of dual 3u bars on small boards

[spiral mica]

this layout is so fire

if only it was split spacebar

hhkb layout is 🤌

[signal parrot]

Guys, why is this keyboard brown??? Kalam???

[patent belfry]

nice nika

[signal parrot]

thanks Thocc

[patent belfry]

thinking about getting the Kalam Jane v3 ce

[signal parrot]

I recommend the v4, better for Akko cream blues

[patent belfry]

oh sick, I didnt even think of that

[signal parrot]

No problem

[modest condor]

GMK WoB currently on sale for 89 bucks https://drop.com/buy/gmk-white-on-black-custom-keycap-set

[still quarry]

wow

[wanton kestrel]

wooting 80he or keychron q1 75he which one should i go for

[wheat elm]

I've heard great things about Wooting

[patent belfry]

copped 2

[modest condor]

lmao

[merry coral]

what do yall think of this $30 keeb

its usb-c, got some pbt keycaps, taped, lubed, and dampened

[signal parrot]

2/10

[merry coral]

what could improve that score

and are there other budget alternatives that are better

[unkempt dome]

I have a very similar keycaps set

those are really nice

[still quarry]

80he if you want pure performance and intuitive ui

[bronze thistle]

I really liked how this thing felt under my fingers. It was soft, but in a good way. Kind of like typing on 80085 for whatever it's worth.
— Luke Lafreniere, 2017

[still quarry]

Gmk67 maybe

[tacit rose]

it is a keyboard.

[prime mirage]

Rk61

Or keychron v1

Both are really good budget options

[tacit rose]

be careful about tapemodding a rk board if you want to retain wireless
because it uhh
might explode
ive seen some shit

[still quarry]

It might explode anyways lol

[tacit rose]

tru

royal sludge fr

[modest condor]

https://imgur.com/a/royal-kludge-is-good-brand-you-should-buy-keyboards-x7LTFwp

[cunning anvil]

rate this keyboard

tbh probably making it a Macropad but it was funny

also no audio oops

[modest condor]

LOL

that seems like a pain to remember

[cunning anvil]

it's not that bad, but way worse than a 2x4

turned out the fewer keys, the more drastically the number of usable combos drop by

i still need to make a 2x4 i don't hate

but i never made one because it doesn't fit in an altoids tin

well

[charred plank]

Cleaned and redid the hand lubing on a row of switches now that I have real 205g0 but decided I'll just get durock pianos because the cleaning process is actually aids

Improvement is notable though to 205g0 from my off brand lube

[tacit rose]

thats why people use ultrasonic cleaners when they wanna really unlube their switches

[patent belfry]

it takes more than that

[slender tide]

ajazz ak820 or aula f75?

[tacit rose]

theyre probably similar enough
cheapo board with janky cn firmware
i'd personally lean towards the ajazz one since the exploded layout feels more balanced

[boreal rivet]

realforce

[tacit rose]

more like real expensive 😭

[patent belfry]

realforce better

[cunning anvil]

better be

for that cost LMAO

[crisp patrol]

wealforth

[cunning anvil]

to clarify that was a pun on wealth?

[spiral mica]

its worth it (for the price)

all topre are worth imo

[cunning anvil]

for a row stagger, not for me

[boreal rivet]

you have come a long way young one 🙏 🙏 🙏

[worldly garden]

nice gmk67

[knotty sluice]

ty

[worldly garden]

hhkb

[worldly garden]

what are the specs

[knotty sluice]

gateron red switches and tape modded. Keycaps are some random ones from aliexpress that i liked

[patent belfry]

desoldered this had bad boy

[spiral mica]

what is that

[patent belfry]

southpaw fullsize

[slender tide]

What

[twilit rampart]

I should get a new keyboard

But also like

I really shouldn't

[patent belfry]

heheekb

[crisp patrol]

nah

lisp

[upbeat trail]

damn i love that monitor on your right

[patent belfry]

thanks 🙏

[slender tide]

What

[patent belfry]

hhkb

[slender tide]

What are you saying

[patent belfry]

happy hacking keyboard

[upbeat trail]

hey just wondering are those switches on the left side boba u4t?

[patent belfry]

https://deskthority.net/wiki/Aristotle_Yellow

[upbeat trail]

thanks

[slender tide]

What do you mean by that

The f75 is bad?

[patent belfry]

won't share my opinion on it because people who bought it get upset

[spiral mica]

its not great

better than most gaming keyboards

[slender tide]

Then what’s better?

[slender tide]

I’m just looking to know for what I should get

[spiral mica]

depends on budget

[slender tide]

up to 100 but I need lower cause i need money for the monitor

so like 70/80 ish

[spiral mica]

freedom money or what

[slender tide]

euro

[spiral mica]

neo65

[slender tide]

70% maybe?

[spiral mica]

bridge75 or sk75

cheaper one would be infi75

[slender tide]

it doesn’t look to be as available in Europe

Unless I’m wrong

[spiral mica]

aliexpress or sth

[slender tide]

what’s the import fee like from Ali

[spiral mica]

idk, I dont have import fees here at where I live

[boreal rivet]

what happened to your oled bruh

[patent belfry]

wym

[chrome raft]

i need help with my keyboard

[crisp patrol]

@cunning anvil do you have the footprint files for diodes, switches, etc. for kicad?

[cunning anvil]

yes

i usually import marbastlib through the instructions on their git

[crisp patrol]

I'm guessing they don't have alps in the library?

says mx and choc

[cunning anvil]

theyre separated by that but there should be an mx + alps at least?

i think

xp libs

[crisp patrol]

xp libs?

is it part of marbastlib or what

[cunning anvil]

yes. its an "xp lib"

experimental

oh they moved some to stable

nvm it doesnt exist yet

lol

but theyre in experimental rn

[crisp patrol]

aight

[boreal rivet]

didn't you have one

samsung one no?

[patent belfry]

yeah my wife has it now

[boreal rivet]

ah ok

[patent belfry]

what are we supposed to be looking at here

[chrome raft]

The skeletonised mouse I guess

Neat

[patent belfry]

#peripherals

[chrome raft]

Yeah, that's in the main photo. A highlight photo of the mouse with it is nice

[patent belfry]

thanks for clarifying

[chrome raft]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-good-great-excellent-like-gif-4987000

[tacit rose]

looks like it'd be a real time to get the gamer gunk out of that thing

[amber thunder]

Hello, I am trying to decide between the Corsair k70 core vs Corsair k70 tkl. Any suggestions on which is better ?

[twilit rampart]

The one that isnt corsair

[spiral mica]

^

[chrome raft]

thats facts

[patent belfry]

^

[cunning depot]

Best pre-built mechanical keyboard with silent linear switches?

[spiral mica]

filco

[amber thunder]

Sadly have to choose between those 2 no other option

[patent belfry]

cap

[twilit rampart]

Cap

[spiral mica]

pac

[pliant basin]

Anybody have tactile switch recs for the office?

I don't want to compromise on tactility with proper silent switches. I use Purple Sakura switches right now and they're fine in that environment, if on the louder side. I'd prefer medium noise, similar to MX Brown.

I feel more strongly about fatigue and therefore weight. What are everyone's favorite tactiles in the 45-55g category?

[worldly garden]

so chillkeys made the nd75 lp

🤔

[spiral mica]

I am very sure they are not the first to make cnc lp

iquinx magic65 exists

straight up false claim

[boreal rivet]

Topre

[spiral mica]

actually topre

silent, tactile and comfortable

and realforce is good for office

[patent belfry]

[pliant basin]

Maybe I really should give it a try huh? I keep avoiding because people say it’s also comparable to membrane. I can’t picture it in my head!

[spiral mica]

topre is way better than membrane

well compared with mx topre would be more similar to membrane than mx but its still really different

[pliant basin]

Does Topre only come pre installed? It’s also a very different kind of switch right? I imagine I can’t just put them into my hotswap board that has regular switches and keycaps? Are there any clones that are compatible?

[spiral mica]

nope

there is niz that makes topre clone (EC switches) but from my experience they feel nothing like genuine topre from hhkb and realforce

[pulsar agate]

Guys, are there any good 100% keyboards?

[boreal rivet]

Realforce

[pulsar agate]

What model?

[boreal rivet]

R1 104u 55g or r2-us5

[cunning anvil]

no

[tacit rose]

whats your budget
and yeah, go topre or something

[crisp patrol]

topre feels different, and as it ages it becomes more tactile

my 2008 hhkb is very tactile

[charred plank]

Durock pom pianos are so good lubed

They're basically 0 stem wobble and much deeper than my China joys

And honestly feel more linear in resistance by a bit

[patent belfry]

[boreal rivet]

You’ve never used topre have you

[tacit rose]

no, because i know it's pretty expensive 😭

[patent belfry]

recent pickup

[crisp patrol]

the r in recent stands for realforce

[cedar pulsar]

Does anyone know a good keyboard and a good mouse for a combined total of 60$? The keyboard has to be mechanical, around 60-75%, and white. The mouse has to be white with 2 left side buttons. I also need decent reliability.

[prime mirage]

White isn’t that much of an option at that price

You can’t physically get the things your asking for that price

[cedar pulsar]

Ok it doesnt need to be white

[prime mirage]

Still

[cedar pulsar]

80$?

[prime mirage]

You’d struggle to get something that would last a month for $60 for both

[prime mirage]

80-100 would be possible

[cedar pulsar]

Ok

[prime mirage]

https://a.co/d/cs3rHLf

https://a.co/d/2MglPdv

I’d get that

And do you have a mousepad?

[cedar pulsar]

Yea, but it is small. That doesnt need to be included

[prime mirage]

I’d recommend a larger

[cedar pulsar]

Ok

[spiral mica]

dont get rk

especially rk61

poorly designed pcb that can short, break or catch on fire

[prime mirage]

What the fuck are you doing to a rk61 to catch it on fire

[crisp patrol]

did you not read the message above yours

it's poorly designed

[charred plank]

Razer mouse 💀💀💀💀

[charred plank]

That's not a real thing

Some fail because the battery

Like all things with batteries

And there's like not even enough reports to call it an anecdote

There's like one that failed in that way

Also, for a keyboard channel it seems nobody gets how a key card works

They're meant to short.

A keyboard shorting isn't an issue

eBay switch being pressed down at once is basically a full short

And causes 0 issues

And on the power side USBc is usbc

If your PC has literally broken ocp for USB and an endless current supply for 5v rail then might cause issues but that's board exclusive

And realistically not an issue

[prime mirage]

Razer makes good mice

That’s a really cheap one tho

[charred plank]

I used to think so too but they don't

Once you experience anything outside that mainstream marketed trash category you realize quickly how bad they are

[prime mirage]

Aight lil man

[charred plank]

Any $5 lightweight AliExpress gaming mouse will be better

[prime mirage]

Tweaker

[charred plank]

Razer just doesn't make good products

They're to peripherals what ek is to water-cooling and Asus is to PC parts

And bose is to audio

[prime mirage]

Pal

[charred plank]

@prime mirage what is the mouse good at and relative to what?

It'll have mushy clicks, the cable is incredibly stiff, it's not particularly light, the middle click takes too much force, scrolls are mushy and jumpy, etc

It's just bad

It's cheap relative to stuff that's genuinely endgame but it's trash

In its price almost anything else will be better

[pulsar agate]

50-60$

[tacit rose]

thats not topre money---

[pulsar agate]

Don't care, never heard of them

[prime mirage]

For $50-60 your not gonna be able to get a mechanical keyboard at 100%

[pulsar agate]

Well, then i will continue using membrane, i am not ready to pay 100+ $ dollars for a keyboard

[prime mirage]

Wait no get a keychron v6 I forgot how much those are

Is there a reason you need 100%?

They take up so much space and you could get a better keyboard for the price at say 80%

[tacit rose]

maybe bro is a spreadsheet wagie and needs the numpad
or an mmo player

[pulsar agate]

For work

Amd keybinds for elite dangerous

Hmmm, attack shark k98 looks interesting

[tacit rose]

you're losing like 2/3 of your nav cluster in a 1800 layout tho
dont need them for your games? also 1u numpad 0 uggo
it'll work fine right out of the box but very good chance it has janky chinese firmware so that's something to deal with
and the leds are northfacing so you will experience interference depending on your keycaps if you ever want to swap em out

[spiral mica]

yes it is

look at all the posts and warnings in r/mk

[tacit rose]

bro hasnt seen the exploded rk.....

[spiral mica]

fr

[tacit rose]

royal sludge fr

[spiral mica]

someone send the whole imgur of exploded rk or sth

[tacit rose]

https://imgur.com/a/x7LTFwp
i got u bro

[spiral mica]

[boreal rivet]

Untrue

Dav3pro and viper v3 pro are some of the best in the market

[tacit rose]

has there been any halfway decent mice with side scrollwheels like mx master or is that my only option still
i've touched the demo unit at best buy and it feels just a little too big for my babu hands

[pulsar agate]

Bruh, who in the world though that Furycube will be a good name for keyboard brand?

[tacit rose]

they got really mad about not being able to solve a rubix cube fast enough

[pulsar agate]

Noah silver switches tho, are they good?

[crisp patrol]

https://imgur.com/a/x7LTFwp

[pulsar agate]

For a Chinese brand software are surprisingly pretty stable, but a lot of complaints about faulty switches , so, in a trash it goes

[pulsar agate]

Are keychron k5se-e1 any good?

[spiral mica]

keychron k series is not worth imo

too overpriced for a tray mount empty case

[pulsar agate]

Yep, i think i go with k5 on red switches

Found nothing better for it's price

[tall herald]

hi guys

im asking for case that compatible to wooting 60HE

[spiral mica]

tofu

[modest condor]

a lot , but some of them might require custom plate

[spiral mica]

or any gh60 case

[modest condor]

think this might be one of the better HE builds i have heard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_6bHaY7QfQ

[charred plank]

I have

It's because the battery

That's a thing that happens to all things that use lithium ion batteries

Doesn't seem to happen at a particularly staggering rate for them either

[charred plank]

I've tried viper v3 and I was never impressed by it either. It's just good relative to other consumer stuff from Corsair or Logitech

Relative to stuff out of that mainstream garbo tier it's bad

[charred plank]

That's not an explosion but that's an expected failure given the sales volume they have. Means a diode likely died.

Considering sales volume, a single complaint about a battery failing and a single about a diode failing isn't close to note worthy

I'm not recommending them because idk how good or bad they are

But if you're going to recommend heavily against them have a more valid reason then a couple died in expected ways that any high sales yield product would

[charred plank]

Eww 🤢

[charred plank]

Don't do that

I'm not recommending the rk but I'm actively going to say don't get the keychron

Wait til someone with more experience comes on to give a more valid non cringe rec

I have some recs I could make if nobody else ends up helping you, but I think there might be better ones still

[tall herald]

i saw there is a case on the internet that we can attach the string of 60HE, dyk whats that name?

[charred plank]

In the mean time just talk about what sound and feel you want from a board

[modest condor]

not sure what you mean..

[pulsar agate]

Like i don't know what to expect from it in terms of sound and feel, i played my entire childhood on laptop with crapy keyboard and on office mouse

[tall herald]

i will try to find that case

[modest condor]

the case in the video i sent?

[tall herald]

not rlly that one

i saw the case i talked abt on youtube

i mean

[charred plank]

Like do you want it to sound marbley and high pitched, would you rather it sound deep and low pitched, or would you rather it be something else

[modest condor]

ah

[tall herald]

it look kinda strange but it look very nice tho

[pulsar agate]

Just quite or low pitched, i personally don't like clicking sounds

[boreal rivet]

you are actually so dumb

you think weight is everything or something?

[pulsar agate]

Don't worry, i can always return it

[charred plank]

No, it's just not a very good click or scroll or weight

It's just not good at anything unless you have some untameable desire for its specific look and shape

[boreal rivet]

they're v2 opticals are good

[charred plank]

But even then there are cheaper similarly shaped mice

[boreal rivet]

who are you to say the clicks and scroll are bad

[charred plank]

Someone who used them

[boreal rivet]

and it's literally 54g

[boreal rivet]

and that makes you an authority does it

[spiral mica]

its a decent mouse for the price

[charred plank]

No, but the fact I used it and can articulate my issues with it instead of just saying it's good cause I have it makes me more of an authority on it than you

[charred plank]

Not really

In the mainstream id agree

[boreal rivet]

you issues with it are purely based on preference

[spiral mica]

the shape is pretty good and clicks are not close to be considered bad

[charred plank]

Out of mainstream it's just bad

[spiral mica]

if that is bad then my current x2h would be dogshit

[boreal rivet]

you are in the minority who think it's bad

[charred plank]

I wouldn't say many people like mushy clicks, jumpy scrolls, hard to press mid clicks, or heavier than cheaper options

[boreal rivet]

and your articulation is literally the clicks and scroll weight is bad

and its not light enough

despite it being 54g lmao

[spiral mica]

name a better cheaper option

[charred plank]

Again, what do you think it's good relative

[pulsar agate]

Why would you nedd such a light mouse?

[boreal rivet]

because it helps in shooters

[pulsar agate]

I just don't understand

[charred plank]

Literally any $10 lightweight mouse on AliExpress would be better

[boreal rivet]

you're just a china cocksucker at this point

[charred plank]

What would you say it's good relative to

And in what way

My issues aren't with its shape or look

[spiral mica]

logitech g304

[charred plank]

They're with the more objective issues it has

Razer also uses a way too thick cable

[patent belfry]

they told you they didnt want your help and they were fine with the keyboard they had, why is that so hard for you to understand.

[charred plank]

You basically need a wireless if you're going Razer

[patent belfry]

[boreal rivet]

you realise it's wireless right?

[true charm]

yikes

[boreal rivet]

you can't even get the mouse you're arguing about right

[charred plank]

I'm saying in general @boreal rivet

[spiral mica]

DA essential is not wireless

[charred plank]

Because the Razer mouse that started this was a death adder

[boreal rivet]

no one is talking about the DA essential???

[spiral mica]

wait what

I thought the link somewhere up there was DaE

sorry

[boreal rivet]

my argument is that razer makes good mice

not razer only makes good mice

[charred plank]

It was

[boreal rivet]

what kind of idiot would think any one company only makes good products

[charred plank]

Razer just happens to only make bad ones

[spiral mica]

me when viper v3 is probably the best mouse out there

[charred plank]

They're like Asus for PC parts

[charred plank]

It isn't

Shape is nice tbf

But besides that its just bad

[spiral mica]

"it isnt" when it has the best on paper spec

[charred plank]

And shape is more subjective

[spiral mica]

out of any mouse

[charred plank]

What other mice have you used?

[charred plank]

Also what spec?

[spiral mica]

pulsar x2h, logitech g304, gpx gen 1, kone air

[charred plank]

It's not the lightest, not the most responsive, not the best sensor, not the best switches

You could argue you like it

[spiral mica]

3950 8khz

[charred plank]

And it's usable

But it's not the best by any means

[charred plank]

Most decent mice are 8khz

[spiral mica]

it has a fucking 3950

"not the best sensor"

[modest condor]

Razer gets the newest pixart sensors first no? they have a deal with them right?

[spiral mica]

yes, razer and rog iirc

they were the first 2 to use 3950

[modest condor]

Pulsar uses same switches as Razer right?

the resha stuff?

[spiral mica]

not sure

[modest condor]

is there anyone else using the 3950?

seems like there are a few

[spiral mica]

I think 3950 was recently unbanned/unlocked for other manufacturers

[charred plank]

What makes you say that's better than the 3395 most mice seem to use

[modest condor]

[spiral mica]

it is objectively better

[modest condor]

^

[charred plank]

In what way

[spiral mica]

its the next fucking gen of sensor

by pixart

[modest condor]

every way? i think?

[spiral mica]

after the 3395

[charred plank]

Then elaborate how it's better

[modest condor]

go watch a review..

someone who does proper mouse review (latency etc)

[spiral mica]

this is stupid

[modest condor]

yep

[spiral mica]

I am not elaborating how a new gen flagship sensor is better than last gen

[boreal rivet]

what makes you think 3395 is the best sensor then?

[spiral mica]

its like "how is a 4090 better than a 3090"

[charred plank]

I'm not claiming it's the best

[modest condor]

"cause so many mice use it"

[charred plank]

Just it's common in most mice and it's the same afaik

[modest condor]

LOL

[boreal rivet]

so which sensor is the best

[spiral mica]

"its the same"

[charred plank]

I'm not making a claim as to a sensor being the best

[spiral mica]

I dont think this guys knows anything about sensors or mice

[spiral mica]

and 3950 IS the best

[boreal rivet]

but you said the viper v3 doesn't have the best sensor

[spiral mica]

it is legit objectively the best

[boreal rivet]

so surely in your mind there is one best sensor

[charred plank]

But claiming a sensor that's the same as almost any other mouses sensor is the best is silly

[boreal rivet]

you were the one who brought up the sensor

[spiral mica]

^

[charred plank]

Because it doesn't

[modest condor]

LOL

[boreal rivet]

so what is the best sensor

[charred plank]

It's sensor is the same as the sensor almost any mouse uses

[modest condor]

[boreal rivet]

so that means your sensor argument is invalid yes?

[charred plank]

I can't find anything 3950 does better than 3395 and most mice use that

So it's at best average

[spiral mica]

"most mice use 3395" is because 3950 was only for razer and rog until recently

[boreal rivet]

thats not very scientific of you

how can you assume the performance of something because you can't find any data on it

[charred plank]

And it's a changeless revision as far as I can tell

I can't find any relevant changes they made

If I had to guess changes had more to do with production side

To make it cheaper to produce or higher yield

[spiral mica]

it liiterally tracks more precisely

it would be reasonable to argue that human cant rly notice that difference

but there is a difference

[charred plank]

Do you have proof it tracks more precisely?

Cause Pixart doesn't seem to claim that

[boreal rivet]

3395 datasheet

happy?

[charred plank]

They post a spec for tracking accuracy %

Pixart hasn't claimed it changed at all anywhere

[boreal rivet]

doesn't matter, its an objectively better sensor

[spiral mica]

I am not even going to do a lot of google search

most simple one is

3950 can handle 8k easily, 3395 cant

or struggles to

[charred plank]

3395 is also 8khz...

Advertised 0.4% track accuracy

[spiral mica]

but not with motion sync

[still quarry]

check out the keychron c2, but yeah id save for a keychron v6 max

but thats more than 100 bucks

[boreal rivet]

what are you talking about

its 0.4% resolution error at 5000cpi

[charred plank]

https://www.pixart.com/products-detail/129/PAW3395DM-T6QU

[boreal rivet]

please explain to me what you think resolution error is

[charred plank]

Read it as tracking error. Nm

Still, they don't claim better tracking publicly anywhere

So it's a $150 mouse that isn't relevant for the dude with a sensor that publicly is the same as a sensor $15 mice use and every other part is bad

Hard to really sell me on that being a great option

[boreal rivet]

the 3950 tracks at 750 ips while the 3395 tracks at 650 ips

you can infer from that alone that the 3950 likely has better tracking performance

[charred plank]

How far do you throw your mouse?

[boreal rivet]

no one is saying the dude should buy a viper v3, you've forgotten why we're talking about this mouse and the sensor in the first place

[charred plank]

That's not tracking accuracy either

[still quarry]

8k + motion sync iirc

[spiral mica]

^

[boreal rivet]

doesn't matter? a better spec is better performance

whether or not it makes a difference in practice is another issue entirely

[still quarry]

still tbh the other stats are outside of human capibility

[charred plank]

Tbf, I didn't know it had that but still wouldn't call it the best unless I could narrow out all external competitors too

You can maybe argue out of relevance it's the best Pixart sensor

[boreal rivet]

everyone uses pixart

[spiral mica]

there is no real competitor to pixart

[charred plank]

Id imagine there are companies making more precise ir sensors for more serious uses

[boreal rivet]

you'd think chinese companies would've found them and started using them huh

[still quarry]

theyre probably the size of apples or smth

[boreal rivet]

oh wait no one makes power efficient optical sensors for mice

[charred plank]

Not really because most products are low effort

[boreal rivet]

oh wait no one makes a competitive sensor in the same package size

[still quarry]

iirc logitech makes pretty efficient sensors vs pixart

[boreal rivet]

logitech use custom pixart sensors

[still quarry]

mihgt be other optimizations tho

[spiral mica]

its a 3366 iirc

less precise but efficient as hell

[boreal rivet]

cool

[pulsar agate]

Meh, don't really understand the hype around it

[boreal rivet]

personally this sensor talk is stupid

[still quarry]

you sound like the type of guy to buy 30 dollar shoes

[charred plank]

You're giving companies too much credit if you are making the assumption they all find and choose the best product every time

[charred plank]

Also yea, I wouldn't recommend keychron v series

They're pretty terrible stock

[pulsar agate]

I literally typing right now on a 10$ keyboard

[still quarry]

v max

i agree v standard suck as well

[charred plank]

Still wouldn't recommend it tbh

[spiral mica]

v max is not worth imo

[charred plank]

There are better boards he can buy bare bones for cheaper then just buy some switches and a cheap pbt caps set

[spiral mica]

actually keychron isnt worth it anymore I would say

its easy to find and is decently good

[charred plank]

And probably still have $30 in the bank with a now better board

[spiral mica]

but not my go to for recommendations

[charred plank]

It's like bose

Usable but overpriced relative to the rest of the market

[still quarry]

i agree

but widely available

[pulsar agate]

I don't know anything about switches and caps, i just need a keyboard, not a lego set

[spiral mica]

budget?

[charred plank]

You just kinda pop them in on any hot swap board

[boreal rivet]

if its as you say, I assume you can find a better sensor than the 3950 then?

[still quarry]

50-60

[pulsar agate]

50-80, fine

[spiral mica]

my favourite board to recommend pre built is infi75/infi75 lite because the construction,material and structure is top tier

only drawback is no via/qmk

iirc arnd 60 on aliexpress for infi75 lite

[still quarry]

and does it have to be a full size

[charred plank]

Nope, but I'm not claiming it's easy either. Just that most companies wouldn't pay an engineer to research alternate options for months to find a better option from alternate fields of use

[pulsar agate]

Yes

[spiral mica]

oh

[charred plank]

If you pay me to do so I'll probably find one but I'm not gonna put that much effort in for free either

[spiral mica]

country?

[pulsar agate]

At least a numpad

[still quarry]

again c2 a safe recommendation

[boreal rivet]

sure, that doesn't really prove that the 3950 isn't the best sensor on the market

[pulsar agate]

Though one, Russia

[still quarry]

would you be fine with 1800s

[boreal rivet]

you're just grasping at straws

[pulsar agate]

What is that mean

[charred plank]

Yes but it makes the point very clear that it's dumb to assume it to be the best

[still quarry]

It's a type of keyboard layout

[boreal rivet]

its dumb to assume anything is the best then, there may be something better from alternative industries yes?

so your biostar is terrible

because dell emc might make better boards

[charred plank]

Tbh, given the lack of publicly available data on it I'd be slow to even call it the best Pixart objectively until more data is publicized

[still quarry]

Basically it removes the middle cluster

[boreal rivet]

AMD and intel are not the best because other industries might have something better

[charred plank]

It's likely the best Pixart ot equal

[boreal rivet]

your argument is stupid

[pulsar agate]

Yep, probably

[charred plank]

Asics are a thing

So actually that's a valid and reasonable statement

[boreal rivet]

and yet no enthusiasts use them

[charred plank]

Because most enthusiast make gaming PCs

You could maybe narrow it down to x CPU is the best for gaming

[boreal rivet]

you're saying asics are better on a technicality

[charred plank]

You can even make it more accurate by adding in barriers like stock

Or overclocked

[boreal rivet]

everyone knows what people mean by the best cpu

[charred plank]

Do you know what Asics are?

[boreal rivet]

and it's certainly not asics

[charred plank]

They're silicon meant to be really good for really really specific functions

[boreal rivet]

yeah no shit