peripherals

[still quarry]

wait nvm i still do

[charred plank]

Main issues I had were the plate was too soft, the cavity was small which made tuning hard but left it weighty because that space was filled but he aluminum being thicker, stock stabilizers sucked, and the PCB being a little too soft and needing support (I know it's flex cut but with the plate stabs it needed support,

[still quarry]

wasnt it the board that didnt have pcb mount stab compatibility

[charred plank]

I would say that's an issue if it was light or in the price range of boards with brass plates

But instead it's just a cheap aluminum board with a nice decorative bonus

[rustic sigil]

the designing of keychron is better. they allow for a lot more functionality in there design as well as less bugs over all, when it comes to manufacturing they do damn well for the price which is why people like them lucky isn't bad by most means but even you said you didn't listen and had problems, that being said. keychron has a good standing of great customer service cheap boards and amazing price they offer a better well rounded experience and some of the best sound for the price. they do have some boards that lead a standard of anodization and were a big reason that people don't take razer and Logitech keyboards seriously as much as they used to. so yeah that is what I know I have used a few and for the price they are amazing but yeah I would use that as why not to get a lucky.

[charred plank]

I did add my own brass plate though with resin

[still quarry]

congrats

[charred plank]

Fixed some issues with the uneven gain of the chassis

[charred plank]

I wouldn't say that

[still quarry]

atp wouldnt it just be cheaper and better to get a neo65 or smth

[rustic sigil]

again simple reasons but keychron on record just has less of these issues.

[charred plank]

My friend got a v3

It just sucks

As many issues is I pointed out for the lucky 65 it's just worse

Besides the stock stabs being better

[rustic sigil]

well to each there own, where I lack in audio I have been in keyboards IN and OUT.

[still quarry]

yeah keychron overprices ther shit a bit

[rustic sigil]

stabs in general are trash... that is a well known problem.

but I do see where your coming from.

[charred plank]

Lucky 65 had the worst stock stabs

But I use modded durock V2 stabs anyways

[still quarry]

they gotta cut corners somehow

[charred plank]

For the price the only valid reason I'd give against lucky 65 that doesn't apply to most things in that price is the plate being too soft and you basically need aftermarket stabilizers

So that adds to the cost a bit

[still quarry]

The plate ones or the PCB ones

[rustic sigil]

now yeah keep in mind back in the day you had like 3 options keychron glorious and lucky and I think ducky... but I might be miss remembering out of the 3 glorious was the most consistant and yet the worse because it was expensive as all hell, then lucky was a great option at first but had issues with service and qc down the line and keychron that was more consistant and lower in price to glorious but not as cheap as some of luckies.

there were still the "boutique boards" but those were the big three at the time.

[still quarry]

The neo65 came out before the lucky65

[charred plank]

Lucky 65 only supports plate stabs

Another issue but again I won't hold it against the board cause it is an issue with basically all cheap boards

[rustic sigil]

yeah I don't remeber neo as much I also don't use standard keyboards very often 2/3 of my collection is orthos.

[still quarry]

Yeah I wouldnt but even the gas67/gmk67 had it

Maybe you could argue that they had plastic cases but point still stands

[rustic sigil]

alr I am really late for a meeting but yeah that's my 2 cents (wrong server lol) but that is why people have a love for keychron.

[charred plank]

It's about 40% more expensive though. It also likely has the same issues while being a lighter board.

Lucky 65 isn't perfect but it's very well placed for its price imo

If you want perfection put a lot of effort into modding or pay more tbh

[still quarry]

Read the context please

[nimble mauve]

looks so bad lol

[modest condor]

nobody in here said that tho? (at least not recently)

[charred plank]

Not here

[modest condor]

talking about the China stuff

[charred plank]

On other servers

[modest condor]

a lot of cheap chinese stuff has shit ano etc

[charred plank]

Also had people in other servers get mad about me hand lubing switches

[nimble mauve]

or its spray painted

[modest condor]

what servers?

[still quarry]

Lol

[charred plank]

The mech keys server

It's an odd place

[nimble mauve]

mechkeys lol

[modest condor]

isnt that full of normies?

[charred plank]

They gatekeep being a normie

It's so odd

Like straight up get upset if you put in effort

[nimble mauve]

i think you should invest your time into making a good keyboard

not whatever that lucky thing is

[still quarry]

Yeah that's stupid

[charred plank]

I actually mainly got it because it was a good heavy base to build off of

[nimble mauve]

open up fusion 360 and design a good keyboard

[charred plank]

Used it to make a good sounding board with heavy modding

[charred plank]

I also got muted there for disagreeing with a helper saying switches don't matter and to just get cherry to someone asking for help choosing a switch and for then asking the person what sound profile they're looking for instead of just spamming an Excel link of bad cookie cutter advice

[nimble mauve]

cherry is superior

they aren't wrong there

[still quarry]

Cherry 🤤

[nimble mauve]

🍒

[modest condor]

Cherry just hits different

[nimble mauve]

especially browns

[main narwhal]

what excel link

the blacksimon one? lol

[charred plank]

The list of excel links they spam instead of actually helping people

[nimble mauve]

i think thats all about context, if its regarding something that the sheet they are "spamming" has relevance to, they are well within their right to tell you to read the sheet.

[charred plank]

I would agree but they refuse to give info or allow info the be spread if it's not on their excel list

[nimble mauve]

would you want to repeat the same message 10 times a day? probably not

[charred plank]

And their excel list are kinda uselessly lacking in info

[nimble mauve]

send the link

[charred plank]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/e/2PACX-1vSWkz3vJflKwHt6aYwWWAULPU3NKbqfZj8J9h6IkcapPYVUbtxsaLXF9hnRmf-1aBAijMmBg0Jm6D7A/pubhtml?pli=1

Here's the one they spam any time you ask them about switches

They spammed that when I asked if there is a better option than durock pom pianos if I'm going for low stem wobble, deep sound, and price isn't an issue, and I'm willing to hand lube

They spam the same thing for any other question around switches

If you keep asking questions cause the list doesn't cover your question at all mute

[nimble mauve]

not sure why youre upset tbh

would you rather them recommend you something they have 0 experience with?

[charred plank]

They could just not spam the chat and let people with experience help people

[nimble mauve]

are you mad because they dismiss you lol

i think they are just filtering what people recommend

[charred plank]

It's the opposite of helping someone with a question to spam a non answer and then tell them they're wrong for not thanking you for not answering

[nimble mauve]

so they dont get played

both of you are wrong tbh

in your own ways

[charred plank]

I researched my own question and ended up getting China joys

[nimble mauve]

thats what they want people to do

learning is half the battle

[charred plank]

But they do the same to others

Who might not be able to do as much research

Which makes them give up on the hobby

[nimble mauve]

keyboards are all about research and finding what YOU yourself like

not really others

im not saying some things arent objectively bad because there are situations where thats also true

[charred plank]

No, it's a community where you can very much ask for help and try to narrow the list of what you might like

[modest condor]

its ok to ask for advise , but just buying something cause someone said its good is dumb , always research ur self

[nimble mauve]

^^

a community can only point you in so many directions

[modest condor]

"hey this rk switch is really good! you should buy this" if u buy it u are very dumb

[charred plank]

And it's just toxic to the community to not allow people to ask for advice and force them into a narrow list of stuff you advise

[nimble mauve]

they are recommending you things they have EXPERIENCE with

why are you upset with that

[modest condor]

this list isnt bad , but its not good either , almost no switches on the list etc

[charred plank]

It's even more toxic to the community when that narrow list often timed has 0 to do with the person's question

[crisp patrol]

@cunning anvil pcb design seems pretty fun ngl but it's so complicated

1h 10m into a 1h 40m tutorial to make a basic stm32 board thingy

[nimble mauve]

you got 2 hands and an empty search bar man

[charred plank]

Hence why they shouldn't be spamming it for unrelated questions then getting mad people didn't just shut up and buy a cherry switch they wanted them to

[nimble mauve]

google is faster than some mouth breather on discord

[charred plank]

Most people new to a hobby like to get advice from community members who have more experience

[nimble mauve]

ok wait stop for a second

[charred plank]

It's counter productive to not let those people give advice and instead require people asking you for advice to buy from a narrow list even if it's unrelated to what they're looking for

Because yes, helpers there are super insecure about their recs and will mute people and call them trolls if they continue asking for alternate options

[nimble mauve]

there are lots of people in here with knowledge, ive seen it time and time again where someone with said knowledge gets dismissed as if they are the stupid ones for giving advice

people already have preconceived thoughts about what they want and if someone recommends them something infinitely better they get shit on by the person asking for that advice

[charred plank]

Again

[modest condor]

https://blacksimon.tv/science

[charred plank]

Your mindset is counterproductive and acts like people giving advice are required to help and acts as if people asking for advice are now stealing something from people giving advice by asking

[nimble mauve]

youre doing exactly what i just mentioned right now

[charred plank]

It acts as if by further looking into something they are somehow costing someone else something

Which they aren't

[nimble mauve]

if you already know what you want, dont ask for help

[charred plank]

But by not allowing people to ask things and forcing them into a bad option or they aren't allowed in your community you actually are costing that person something

[bitter oar]

hi

[nimble mauve]

sort of right but you have to look at the other side of the coin sometimes

thats all

[charred plank]

Because they're now forced to follow a path that doesn't meet what they wanted while they're paying for it or they're removed from a community they want to be part kf

If I recommend someone something good or bad it's free for me to recommend

[nimble mauve]

the only real way to find out what youre going to like is by purchasing things and trying things when given the opportunity

[charred plank]

If I force someone to buy something bad and don't let them research further I cost them money

Bad advice isn't an issue when it's not forced because the buyer has a responsibility to do their own research

[nimble mauve]

you also have to remember that people arent obligated to help you

[charred plank]

When you force them into "get this and stop looking into things it you're done" it's basically griefing unless that advice is perfect

[nimble mauve]

be grateful they even give a shit at all

[charred plank]

Yep, which is why there is no harm to letting people ask for help

Because if someone doesn't want to help they lose nothing

[nimble mauve]

this is why you make friends with experienced people in your hobby

random ass people arent going to help you seriously 9 times out of 10

[charred plank]

It's also why it's bad to basically force people into bad options

[nimble mauve]

its just a fact at this point

an opinion is an opinion if its bad to you thats fine

just move on and go elsewhere

[charred plank]

Because again there is no harm to them looking into more options for the person giving advice unless they have a fragile ego and feel as if you need to do as they say

Which is the case very often

[modest condor]

Hi 😊

[nimble mauve]

usually if they are recommending you something there is some backing to why they are telling you that

[charred plank]

But I'd rather some bozo have his bad take ignored than someone new be financially hurt by that bozo

[nimble mauve]

see now thats your opinion, everyones got one

[charred plank]

You're skipping over the fact they don't let you look more into things and treat it as if they now control your pocket book or else you're banned

Giving advice should never give that person an obligation to you

Especially when you only want them to have an obligation to you for your own ego's sake

[nimble mauve]

ok this is all circle logic

[modest condor]

u talking about discord servers now? if so , shit server so why would u listen to what they say?

[nimble mauve]

literally

[charred plank]

I don't

[nimble mauve]

so what is there to complain about then

[charred plank]

I'm pointing out why it's harmful for people new to the hobby

[modest condor]

nobody is forcing you to listen to them

[nimble mauve]

you have to remember they have more experience than you

[charred plank]

They kinda do by threat of removing you from the server of people involved in the hobby you want to get into

[nimble mauve]

i think a helper in a discord server with over 40k people might have some knowledge

just sayin

[charred plank]

Imagine if the PC side of this server required you use Asus mobos in all pcpp lists or you're banned

[nimble mauve]

thats not really the same thing

[charred plank]

It kinda is

[nimble mauve]

if your opinion doesnt allign with theirs, thats OK

[charred plank]

Get something on our Excel list we spam or you're banned isn't much different than get a mobo from this brand or your banned

[nimble mauve]

their spread sheet has all the tried and true brands for the most part

[charred plank]

Actually the difference would be more if you ask for advice if they require you to now buy an Asus mobo or you're banned

[nimble mauve]

its not locked into one specific brand or company

youre reading way too deep into that

[charred plank]

And if you post a build later and they see a non Asus board you're gone

Again, there is no scenario where you should be forced to accept someone's advice or you are punished

Just like there is no scenario where you should be forced to help someone asking for advice

[nimble mauve]

i dont think they meant it like that

[charred plank]

They kinda do

[nimble mauve]

i think you like to yap a lot and they got tired of it

makes a lot more sense

[bitter oar]

people give other people wrong or not the best purchase advice all the time, yeah someone might have an opinion because they have tried this but haven’t tried the better options, you see it all the time with not just keyboards but psus, mice, brand, like everything. Because the stuff they purchased just works perfectly for them, like they can’t imagine much/better within their respectable budget, or they want to be comfortable/extra safe, worried about the new things they try may fail sooner than the brand they’re used to and based on their experience they refuse to try new things or use their own experience as the base argument only

[charred plank]

They don't let people look more into their question if a helper sent the excel list (even if that list doesn't relate to their question)

[bitter oar]

sup

[nimble mauve]

a lot of things in the keyboard space are not good

theres a small percentage of things that are actually good

you can disagree but then we will just be doing the same thing you did in that discord server

[charred plank]

Even if we pretend everything on the excel list is perfect and ignore that most of the time they spam them it doesn't even cover the question at hand, it doesn't excuse punishing people for looking for more advice, just as there is no obligation for someone to help another asking for advice

[nimble mauve]

i think youre expecting perfection

which is unrealistic

[charred plank]

Nope

[nimble mauve]

in any sense of the conversation

[charred plank]

I'm expecting a normal community of people who aren't so stuck up in their ego that they act like they've been hurt by someone looking into advice they can't give

A normal community where you ask for advice and people choose to help you or not and if you want more advice you ask for more and the same thing happens again

[nimble mauve]

not everyone can understand everything

[charred plank]

People either help you or not and you either ask for more help or not

[charred plank]

Which is fine when you don't punish people for not taking your imperfect advice...

[nimble mauve]

if you dont like the help they are providing then youre letting them know that you dont give a fck about what they have to say

so of course they will dismiss you from that point on

[charred plank]

It becomes a problem when helpers roleplay that their word is the word of God

[nimble mauve]

its common sense and human nature

[charred plank]

And that you're somehow hurting them by wanting more relevant or moreadvice

[nimble mauve]

I think its because youre acting like you already know the answer to your own question

that would annoy me too

[charred plank]

Then you can not answer

[nimble mauve]

not everything has to be some sort of test

[charred plank]

Until someone with relevant experience helps

[nimble mauve]

dont be a dick its that simple

if you already know where to go to find the answer, dont harass people for giving you advice based on their experience

[charred plank]

Imagine if someone asked me which is better between a 6800xt and a 1080ti and I send them a list comparing the 7600 and 4060 and then demand they buy one of those 2 or they're banned

[nimble mauve]

all relative to price

you cant get upset at that

[charred plank]

I have now not only not answered their question, but I've also now kept them from getting real advice and made a threat unless they make the bad purchase I want them to make for my own sake

[nimble mauve]

if someone is asking me for help i assume they are ignorrant, because if they wernt they wouldnt be asking about it in the first place

[charred plank]

Now imagine in that same scenario I just don't answer

Nobody has now been hurt

There is still room for someone with valid input to help

And they still have control of their own money and decision

[nimble mauve]

yes and no

its all relative to the situation

[bitter oar]

i generally try to give people advice that on average is most likely to fit them within their budget, there’s alot of preference going on with keyboards/headphones/mice and monitors if that individual person tells me they don’t want this because they have reasonable reason then sure, i will recommend something else unless the reason is just not enough experience with that brand for example, someone might had bad experience with msi laptops and now they refuse to buy an msi gpu even if the base model is $10 cheaper than all the other brand base model gpus. I do recommend CWT psus even if i don’t have experience with all of their platforms because they’re by fact tested to be reliable and just good

[charred plank]

In my situation I asked for how x and y switch compare and was given a list not including either and told I need to buy something from the non relevant advice given

In the other guys situation the same thing happened

[hexed pond]

i hate to interrupt but anyone have a recomendation for a full size keyboard thats hot swappable?

[charred plank]

It's the exact same scenario

[bitter oar]

budget

[hexed pond]

around 100$

[nimble mauve]

you really cant compare switches made by different manufacturers/materials

[bitter oar]

i’d suggest picking a board on aliexpress, and watching a non affiliate review on youtube for that keyboard and compare

[nimble mauve]

opposites are opposites

[charred plank]

You kinda can

[nimble mauve]

they are clearly different

[charred plank]

I can say that yellows sound more high pitched and less loud than say my China joys

[nimble mauve]

thats like you asking for an orange and i pull up with an apple

[hexed pond]

thanks!

[charred plank]

Idk how this ties in at all

[nimble mauve]

youre comparing apples and oranges

obviously they are vastly different

[charred plank]

Not really. You can very much compare switches

[nimble mauve]

ok should i get mx blues or mx reds

[charred plank]

X switch might take more pressure to press, might be deeper, might have more wobble, might be scratchier, etc than y switch

[nimble mauve]

how are they similar

in feel

[charred plank]

That's why you ask people what they're looking for in the product

Which is what I got muted for there

[nimble mauve]

what if they dont know

or have been misled

[charred plank]

Then you tell them the pros and cons to each type

And let them decide

Because it's their money

Not yours

[nimble mauve]

there are lots of misleading people in this chat all the time

and mechkeys

[bitter oar]

there’s a bump/tactility in the actuation and when the switch returns the mechanism resets when the switch returns, blues are loud and generally don’t suit fell with people around you, i personally hate blue clickies and most people do

[charred plank]

If someone asked me "how do mx blues and gat yellows compare" I'll explain one is linear, one is a clicky, I'll explain those differences, I'll explain blues are higher pitched, and I'll explain the force each requires

[nimble mauve]

i asked how they are the same compared to reds

you cant compare

they are apples and oranges

[charred plank]

Except you can

[nimble mauve]

actchually

[charred plank]

If someone wants a high pitched, tactile, loud switch get the blues

As an example

[nimble mauve]

not sure they really helps anyone

[bitter oar]

in comparison which exactly

[charred plank]

If they want the opposite maybe get the reds between those 2

[bitter oar]

like…

[charred plank]

Or even better give them an alternate option that fits what they want better

[boreal rivet]

This is why topre is better

[charred plank]

Instead of not answering their questions and demanding they get what you have

[bitter oar]

someone may have different opinion on what’s a loud switch and deafening switch

[charred plank]

More reason to inquire more into what they like

Rather than spamming a cookie cutter Excel link then demanding they get what you recommended

[bitter oar]

welp, they just recommend what they’re used to

[charred plank]

I get that

thats why im saying its wrong to try and force someone to get what you recommend

especially if the advice was cookie cutter and didnt tie into their question

[real snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/727206026033496136/1286720052132974622/image_720.png?ex=66eeeeee&is=66ed9d6e&hm=c661c422e880b36b2c9bfdd3eca26fef93da3e68fdfa2885801a2ccc57699e95&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=256&height=350

[young spoke]

guys is there full sized regular keys with concaves like this

[nimble mauve]

keyboards

[signal parrot]

WTB US:
Looking to buy something in pink (preferably aluminum) for $50-70. I can pay more if switches I want or caps I want come with it but if not I'd rather buy bare bones for cheaper.

[prime mirage]

Jesus Christ what is wrong with you

[real snow]

Dont knock it till you try it

also its a meme i found in a different discord

[boreal rivet]

Hello kitty realforce

[signal parrot]

it’s a joke

[boreal rivet]

You should buy one anyway

Also that isn’t a very good joke

[loud nova]

I mean, if only there was a way to measure sound

[bitter oar]

decibe-

[loud nova]

I currently use browns and just bought some WS silent tactile. As well as a foam kit, and some switch dampeners

We'll see how much quieter it is

I only spent more than double what the keyboard originally cost

[bitter oar]

hopefully it turns out well

[copper dust]

i rlly wanted an epomaker keyboard but they are too expensive. Any suggestions for sum else

[spiral mica]

budget?

also avoid epomaker if you can, absolute garbage customer support

[modest condor]

also just a horrible company

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/196hreg/mykeyboard_thickthock_other_vendor_issues/

can read about it here

[spiral mica]

wait what happened to deskthority

[patent belfry]

no u

[patent belfry]

was bought out by an ecomm company

a long while ago

[grizzled gust]

Pp

[patent belfry]

hi dicstarballs

[grizzled gust]

Hello thocctember

Keyboard meet in 7 days!!!!!

[charred plank]

I think my next board will be a luminkey 60 copper

[patent belfry]

where at

[charred plank]

Bro deleted his message 💀

[grizzled gust]

Sydney, about 10 mins away from me

When’s the last time you went to a meet jingle

[patent belfry]

never been to one before

i live where there are no meets

[grizzled gust]

That is unfortunate

They’re really splentastic

I’ve only been to one before

[patent belfry]

one more than me dude

youre lucky

was trying to go to the Quebec meetup but i havent heard anything about it in a while

[unkempt dome]

there was one un Quebec ?

damn

[charred plank]

florida one when?

[patent belfry]

i pity the fool

[boreal rivet]

actually its pity

[charred plank]

@patent belfry this is going to make you mad

so trigger warning

[patent belfry]

why are you tagging me

[charred plank]

measured the affect of copper foil on relative gain

result is yellow graph minus orange

does a very good job at not resonating at high frequencies unlike most metals as i explained and expected (because it resonates best out of audible range)

[patent belfry]

quit tagging me

[charred plank]

and it does a really good job at damping out anything over 3khz in audible range

[nimble mauve]

obvious rage bait @charred plank

[charred plank]

not really

he disagreed

was wrong when I recorded result

and now is wrong by a graphable gain variable function

[patent belfry]

nobody cares about your shitty little mic setup

stop tagging me for stuff i dont care about, nor do i want to interact with you

its a simple request

[charred plank]

then just block me

[patent belfry]

👍

[charred plank]

or just dont disagree with simple, priovable facts

[patent belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/1blocked-message-discord-meme-troll-brick-wall-gif-23392632

[charred plank]

that also would be a good way to avoid this

[nimble mauve]

this boicc guy really love to talk

[charred plank]

if I was wrong id send the same findings and thocc would probably be pretty happy about it

he's just mad cause the findings in theory and practice match up to suggest hes wrong

[nimble mauve]

you are wrong on a subjective level

[charred plank]

there isnt really a subjectivity to pitch

a frequency is a frequency

and amplitude is amplitude

i cant opinion a -20db gain for a frequency to now be positive gain

no matter how much I might try or believe

if you like those higher frequencies you could argue that copper foil will sound worse by damping them very well

but that wasnt the stance he tried to take

[boreal rivet]

do you take into account reflections

[charred plank]

yes, they are higher frequencies

thats why the copper foil mod works so well

because it damps those frequencies well

[boreal rivet]

hm

[charred plank]

it doesnt really damp those initial mid tones but it drastically decreases volume for those higher pitched harmonics that come later

and I get from a certain perspective why he'd think copper foil means bad

cause most people think metal then they think high pitched ringing

its just this specific form and type of metal doesnt ring well in audible ranges

also part of why im interested in getting an all copper board next

cause with light modding im pretty certain I can get it to behave really really well

relative to aluminum which as much as he likes to cope the different alloys will make a drastic difference, still will all resonate well in the upper audible range

its also an odd cope cause he makes it against china as if they have a special alloy that they use just to make boards bad when almost all chinese boards just use 6063

which most non chinese boards use too

which again isnt really drastically different in material composition and resonance to other alloys of aluminum youd get in a keyboard

a full brass keyboard would also be fun to try and mod but itd probably cost more than full copper

[patent belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711913638193004556/1259523098173243422/GIF_7-7-2024_9-52-56_AM.gif

[charred plank]

What might also be interesting would be making full copper keycaps, plating them with aluminum, then anodizing that aluminum

Maybe covering the font with some sort of barrier so it doesn't plate and you keep a copper font

[modest condor]

what the fuck

[charred plank]

whats wrong with that?

[modest condor]

ur dumb

thats all i have to say.

[charred plank]

again

whats wrong with anything there?

[nimble mauve]

lol stupido

[charred plank]

you can anodize an electroplated layer

electroplated layers are thin and wont have much play on the resonances

aluminum is easy to anodize to a color of choice

[patent belfry]

is there a way to hide blocked messages

i clicked on that and got autism

[charred plank]

and aluminum can be coated on copper

and unlike aluminum caps which are very pingy, a copper cap if shaped right would be much less pingy

there are copper plated aluminum caps I know of but thats the opposite of what should be the goal

[charred plank]

@modest condor you realize cnc'd caps are already a thing right?

[modest condor]

💀

[nimble mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-we-do-not-we-do-not-care-steelers-nfl-gif-19783307

[charred plank]

you also do realize you can cnc copper...

[modest condor]

bruh

[patent belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-26317296

[modest condor]

refer to this

[patent belfry]

is he being stupid again?

[modest condor]

yes

[patent belfry]

lol

[charred plank]

so whats dumb about taking a less resonant metal and coating it with a more anodizable metal...

you get a less resonant metal cap with the same color choice

[patent belfry]

@crisp patrol read this lol

[spiral mica]

keycap resonating is not even a problem

[patent belfry]

for real

someone gets it

[charred plank]

with metal caps it kinda is

[spiral mica]

with copper its just more ping, and shittier bottom out

[spiral mica]

who the fuck uses metal keycaps

[charred plank]

except it objectively isnt

[spiral mica]

you are trying to solve a problem that doesnt exist

[patent belfry]

literally nobody

[spiral mica]

and failing because it will cause way more problem

[charred plank]

unlike aluminum again, copper does a good job at not resonating at those upper audible frequencies but also does a good job of mainly resonating out of human hearing range

[spiral mica]

why are you comparing it with aluminium

when keycaps are mostly pbt or abs

[charred plank]

again, youre falling in the same mistake thocc did

assuming metal means high pitched

certain metals do

copper, not so much

[spiral mica]

compared to abs it is

[charred plank]

not really

[patent belfry]

this guy is going to continue to throw open ended questions until you just ignore what he has to say

its all circular

[spiral mica]

this is so stupid

[charred plank]

again, here is the relative gain in yellow just copper foil nets you

[spiral mica]

piss off with your graph

you are talking about keycaps

[charred plank]

subtract orange from yellow and you get the gain per frequency

[spiral mica]

not whatever copper foil or what

[charred plank]

its entirely negative gain past 3khz

to a pretty massive degree

[patent belfry]

i wonder what mic this monkey uses

its probably a blue yeti

[modest condor]

blue yeti

or that snowball thing

[charred plank]

which still follow material properties

[patent belfry]

lOoK aT mY gRaPh gUys

[charred plank]

if copper acts as a better material than abs at damping highs in one form its likely to do so in most other forms as well

[charred plank]

if I made a straight abs sheet it wouldnt damp highs as a targeted band as well as copper

[spiral mica]

its a fucking keycap

it will bottom out witht he switch

its going to create a awfully deep bottom out, make the keypress light as hell and create ping

[charred plank]

and the material that resonates at highs less will resonate at highs less. what this graph represents is the relative gain that resonance adds or subrtracts

idk what youre struggling to get but its about relative gain

and unlike aluminum caps, full copper caps if shaped the same as a normal pbt or abs cap should be just better

[patent belfry]

he doesnt give up

[spiral mica]

I give up

blocking it is

[patent belfry]

its pretty sad when there are like 4 people here who have the kid blocked

like read the room

[charred plank]

I find it sad that 4 people cant comprehend how gain works

and are so stuck up on the idea that metal means ringing that they cant even comprehend a metal having a damping property in high frequencies

[patent belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/shitpost-meme-skull-thumbs-up-apple-gif-25285071

[charred plank]

@nimble mauve @modest condor @spiral mica @patent belfry I actually have a sheet of abs I can use to test this right now

if im wrong you will see so

im posting it either way

if im right you all dont know the first thing about material science or keyboard acoustics

does that sound like a fair conclusion to come to?

[patent belfry]

i told you 3 times now to stop pinging me

put your shitty graphs away and enjoy the hobby

[charred plank]

abs (0.06mm) in red vs copper (0.6mm) in blue fore relative gain

subtracted the constant to make this even easier to understand

[charred plank]

you act like the reason for the measurment isnt because you all were outright denying reality minutes after i presented it just to revert back to thinking metal equals high pitched

literally right after I demonstrated thats not what the relative gain behavior of copper is in this instance

[patent belfry]

refer to this

[modest condor]

who said this tho? "metal equals high pitched"

lol

[charred plank]

#peripherals message

[patent belfry]

again with drawing conclusions

[charred plank]

so if youre reasoning is different, explain why you think a material that is inherently better at damping high frequencies woud be a bad material to make a cap out of

cause a reasonable reason would be cost

but thats also relative to what someone is willing to pay for improvements

id probably dump $200 into a copper cap set that is electroplated by aluminum then anodized to my color of choice

[cunning plume]

I want my Wooting 80HE now man...

[patent belfry]

this

[pallid ocean]

What's the point of having 5 pins to a switch?

[charred plank]

2 are actual pins, one is for the stem to follow and bottom out on potentially, and 2 are just stability stems

[pallid ocean]

Oh so the extra 2 compared to 3-pin is just stability

[charred plank]

afaik yea

there may be some very odd ball switches that actually run small stabilizers through them for the pole too

but afaik they will basically be for the switch stability

[pallid ocean]

alright

i'd like to buy some tactile switches, but i don't know if i'll like them so should i risk it?

[charred plank]

bobba u4 is supposed to be okay

but def do more research

its not a clicky ear bleed simulator though

[crisp patrol]

🫥

[patent belfry]

its a lost cause

[charred plank]

#peripherals message

assuming the same shape and density copper seems to do better than abs at damping audible high frequencies

it actually does a really good job at this if you line the inside of eycaps with it

so no reason at all for me to suspect making a keycap out of it would do the opposite of the expected and recorded affect

[crisp patrol]

[charred plank]

if you have a reason to conclude otherwise im all ears

until then ill stand by the idea that making copper caps and aluminum plating them so that they can be anodized would be a great idea

[crisp patrol]

me when the metal dampens differently than the plastic 😱

[charred plank]

yep, by the amount recorded in the image

mostly in the sense that copper dampens highs better

if it was aluminum the opposite would be true

[crisp patrol]

mfw there's a reason that people don't do these things

[bitter oar]

say it

[charred plank]

tbh, hobby is small enough that the reason is likely lack of knowledge or nobody choosing to put in the effort

nobody seemingly used copper foil to mod caps until I did and it worked incredibly well relative to tape or foam dampeners in space bars

so the reason there was literally nobody had decided to do so or thought of it

[crisp patrol]

cost, negligible differences, production issues, lower profit margins, etc

[charred plank]

same thing with resin mounted weights

[crisp patrol]

everything happens for a reason

[crisp patrol]

placebo effect is pretty strong

[charred plank]

similar deep and non plastic caps that would likely not even work as well like ceramics have huge profit margins

[crisp patrol]

gl changing out weights

[charred plank]

had others verify it too but i can record it and its measurable

[crisp patrol]

like who

other schizos?

[charred plank]

had a couple friends over yesterday to compare 2 space bars

a completely blind test

because I have 2 of the same space bar

[crisp patrol]

very creditable

[charred plank]

but its not even close

copper foil is just deep and without it its just high

@crisp patrol how about I send you a recording of both

[crisp patrol]

[charred plank]

because again, the behavior is as expected

[crisp patrol]

indubitably EQ'd to shit

[charred plank]

which is copper dampens those frequencies it has a massive negative ggain affect on

almost like things that exist in reality have to apply to its rules

whats eq'd?

[bitter oar]

equalized

[charred plank]

were talking keyboards

im not eqing copper

copper isnt outputting a different digital signal

its not blasting you with 5g waves

its just copper

[crisp patrol]

oh my god

[charred plank]

ill take a recording

[crisp patrol]

EQing the recording you fucking nonce

[bitter oar]

i think he meant you could change the recording, just to falsely prove your point

[charred plank]

im not going to take the effort to eq a sound file straight from my pc...

I dont even have a program to edit audio recordings

[bitter oar]

you could put the keyboard futher from the mic/s

[charred plank]

mic is going to stay in the same place

but even if I did that

the difference is so night and day

you will see in a second

but even then it wouldnt have an affect

ill do a couple presses of the w key as a normalized point too to compare between the recordings

[simple grotto]

Yo can I hear it

[bitter oar]

i mean, i’m not denying that what mods you’re doing don’t have effect on the sound profile and intensity but you still may unintentionally cherry pick, like… how do you make the keyboard create the sound manually typing on it or using a pressing device

you know, if you press keyboard with slightly more with a tip of your finger the sound profile changes too a little

[bitter oar]

and also, how are the average lows

[bitter oar]

could you show peaks for the charts

not just the averages

[patent belfry]

tell me you know nothing about audio without telling me you know nothing about audio

its a single channel recording

[charred plank]

actually its dual channel

[patent belfry]

its playing left channel only

[charred plank]

I used 1 of the 2 mic's facisng the board as to avoid the transfer function of my rig being a variable

[patent belfry]

show me photo of your mic setup

pls

[charred plank]

Dudes going through the stages of cope

[patent belfry]

im asking you a question

can i see it please

[bitter oar]

yeah, i’d like to see it too

[patent belfry]

exactly

[bitter oar]

because the mic should be in direction of the typer

so it’s realistic as possible

[patent belfry]

dont say any more

i want to see their setup

vanilla

[charred plank]

First "copper bad" then "I need a recording" then "doesn't count cause I don't like the mic"

[patent belfry]

no

i want to see the setup

[bitter oar]

just send the setup

[charred plank]

If the rig had an accurate head and torso simulator yes

[patent belfry]

semd the setup

thats a keyboard

with a mic cover

[charred plank]

See the ear

That's a mic

[patent belfry]

i understand that

i want to see the entire setup

[charred plank]

By facing the mic to the board I avoid having itd cause issues for people playing back through a mono source

[charred plank]

That is the entire setup...

[patent belfry]

so the mic is in the wrong spot and you admitted to editing audio

[charred plank]

How is the mic in the wrong spot...

Also, how is that editing audio...

The audio isn't edited

There just is one channel facing the board and one facing away

[patent belfry]

nobody is playing a typing test through a mono source

[charred plank]

Anyone with a phone will be

[patent belfry]

and nobody plays at a pc with their hear sideways and chest level to listen to their keyboard

[charred plank]

I can do the same recording through both channels but nothing will change

[patent belfry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkycoUVmqBY

this is how you record a soundtest

[charred plank]

Again, this isn't a head and torso simulator

It's just a flat plate mic at the angle it's placed

[patent belfry]

so its inaccurate

gotcha

[charred plank]

It's accurate to a flat plate mic

[patent belfry]

you might as well use a blue microphone

[charred plank]

I promise you nobody in the keyboard hobby uses this to record keyboards

[patent belfry]

would achieve a better result

[charred plank]

Everyone uses basically a free or flat plate mic

[charred plank]

Actually it wouldn't

[patent belfry]

instrument mics >>>

[charred plank]

This mic inherently is pretty flat to human hearing

[patent belfry]

explain why your recording sucks then

[bitter oar]

i mean i don’t doubt you, but if i told you i can hear you typing on the modded keyboard more lightly how would you defend yourself @charred plank even if unintentionally

[charred plank]

Because again, one ear is facing the board and one isn't

[patent belfry]

so not accurate

[bitter oar]

like it can’t be accurate without you using some sort of pressing machine

[charred plank]

You don't need both ears to tell which is higher pitched

I'm sorry but you're coping

[patent belfry]

this guy just rage baits lol

i dont believe that you interact with people like this in real life

[charred plank]

With the fact that volume isn't pitch

The variable were trying to solve is the pitch

Which is higher and lower pitched

[patent belfry]

its inaccurate

[charred plank]

between these 2 recordings

[patent belfry]

again with the left channel

[charred plank]

in what relevant way

[patent belfry]

i dont type on my computer looking to the left with my head down lol

or the right

if thats how you do it then more power to you

[charred plank]

do you record your keyboard with a head and torso simulator?

if not then its more accurate to ear gain than your recordings

[patent belfry]

bros trying to debate semantics

[charred plank]

but even ignoring that

[patent belfry]

youre doing what kvetinky used to do to everyone, youll soon realize that nobody gives a shit

[charred plank]

the relevant variable is relative pitch

[patent belfry]

quit building arguments just to argue

[charred plank]

unless the hrtf between the 2 recordings changed the relative pitch wont change

[bitter oar]

spelled my name right thanks ig…

[charred plank]

@patent belfry which is higher pitched

[patent belfry]

youre still arguing biocc

they both suck

[charred plank]

dudes afraid to answer

[patent belfry]

you got the answer

itt sucks

[charred plank]

@patent belfry isnt experienced enough in keyboards to decide which is more resonant and higher pitched between those 2 recordings I guess

ill put it to a vote on some other servers

[patent belfry]

you've got issues

[charred plank]

maybe theyll have more experience and can tell the differences

[bronze thistle]

Some of you were bullied in school and it was entirely justified.

That's all I can think whenever I open this channel. Saying no names.

[bitter oar]

i mean, if you want it scientifically just get some sort of claw that presses down the a key consistently with minimal error, you know if you press down a key harder the volume and pitch change, also even if you go just slightly off the keycap for example using your finger tips more than on the other run will create a difference, like try using your nails to type on a keyboard it makes audible difference. and position the mics properly where the sound goes to the typer realisticly @charred plank

[charred plank]

i would if it was close

[patent belfry]

speaking from experience?

[bitter oar]

all of these will make it innacurate

[charred plank]

but it takes someone who is actually deaf to not tell the difference

[bitter oar]

yes, there is a difference, but if you’re showing graphs they should be accurate

[patent belfry]

give it up already

[bronze thistle]

Thankfully no

[charred plank]

the graphs were normalized fully

[patent belfry]

your fixation on this topic is not normal

[bitter oar]

it doesn’t matter, until you don’t get a mechanical claw that presses down keys for you with minimal error it’s going to be always innacurate, you know typing on keyboard perfectly is impossible

[charred plank]

the graphs were based on a flat driver in an encloseure with the initial constant being subtracted from the variable recordings with materials between the mic and driver

which gives a measure of change in gain

[patent belfry]

this guy cant stop

[charred plank]

the thickness of the materials was normalized to the same too

[bitter oar]

just get a mechanical claw

[patent belfry]

can we get a skull thickness measurement next

[charred plank]

listen to the recording and youll see how night and day it is. the variance isnt really something that calls for that

[bitter oar]

i acknowledge the difference but again… if you’re showing graphs they should be accurate

[charred plank]

It'd be like asking to have the hight of the grass measured before recording the hight of a 3 story building and the height of a coffee mug

[charred plank]

The graph wasn't measured by key presses

[bitter oar]

uh and by what then

[charred plank]

It's a measure of change in gain per material

[bitter oar]

and how did you measure that on your keyboard

[charred plank]

It's a relative measurement

It's shows the relative expected behavior

[bitter oar]

wait, an estimate?

[charred plank]

Affect on the keyboard is weighable to that relative gain per material assuming all other variables are the same

[bitter oar]

why are you showing estimated graphs

[charred plank]

But for recording the material behavior itself like I said, it's don't by taking a flat driver over the flat plate mic then taking an unimpeded recording as a baseline to subtract from the ones with a material between the mic and the driver

It's not estimated

It's relative

It's meant to predict the behavior of a material

Which will remain constant to its relative affect on gain but will have more variables potentially

[bitter oar]

so an estimation, because sound is very unpredictable

[charred plank]

Again, it's not an estimation

It's just a relative thing

[bitter oar]

then what’s the graph about? unless you didn’t measure it while typing on it…
srry i’m sleep deprived but i don’t understand what are you trying to say by relative

[charred plank]

Again

[charred plank]

This

It's consistent and repeatable

It's just a relative weighted variable to application

[bitter oar]

mb, so just to be sure, you recorded the different material individually

[charred plank]

Yes

The result is repeatable to a very small fraction of a db

[bitter oar]

you should still make it realistic if you want it accurate, as i said you’re typing with your own fingers

which will make it innacurate

[charred plank]

The point of the graph is to demonstrate the affect the material will have as a dampener @bitter oar

It's meant to demonstrate what materials will give you more or less gain per frequency

[bitter oar]

you know, your fingers can act partially as a dampener

[charred plank]

Or in this case to show that in spite of being a metal copper dampens audible highs well

[charred plank]

Again, they aren't a measure of a frequency response if a keyboard

They're a .measure of expected relative gain per material

[bitter oar]

i still don’t understand what are you trying to say, so is it speculative or actual testing

if you type with your hands it’s going to be innacurate

if it’s not innacurate then it’s speculative because of how you tested it

which is still innacurate

[charred plank]

It's meant to show that as a dampener copper will work better than y material or worse than y material at damping given frequencies

[bitter oar]

yes… and

how are you sure you measured it properly on that board when your typing may interfer with the results

i already acknowledged the difference, i’m asking for accuracy

copper dampener doesn’t make noise on it’s own

if you press your spacebar hard it will not sound the same as when you press it lightly

[charred plank]

I can call you and explain it because you seem interested but it's a complex topic

[signal parrot]

this has to be like one of the most stupid topics ive read today

[charred plank]

It's not an approximation but it's not a measure of what exactly that material will sound like in a keyboard with other variables. It's more a measure of what that material will act like as an independent variable in its addition to the total system

@bitter oar you can think of it like getting the response of a driver before introducing it to a chassis or room

[patent belfry]

fr fr

[charred plank]

So you know a bright driver will sound brighter than a dark one in any shared room but you don't know how it'll sound yet with the total room

Only how they'll compare

So in that sense it's not an approximation but an accurate measure of an individual variable

[signal parrot]

we are acting like anyone is going to listen to a lucky65 sound test that deeply anway

[patent belfry]

wym is the coolest budget keyboard

[signal parrot]

WTB lucky65 with a big ass brass bar

[simple grotto]

I need Linus Sebastian to make a video on this frfr RIGHT NOW

RELATIVE SOUND

[patent belfry]

plouffe

[bitter oar]

i mean, i a’m interested but from what you’ve told me so far i’m still confused… were you measuring the sound by you typing on the keyboard?

when you did a second run with a different material how are you sure you didn’t type on it differently

the pitch does change based on how hardly you type on the keyboard and how much your fingers act as a dampener

[signal parrot]

dude this is so dumb, your fingers obv dont do shit to the sound

[bitter oar]

if you have rattly stabilizers for example you will greatly amplify them by using your finger nails or well, they’re no longer as dampened

you will hear the rattle more

[bitter oar]

press the keyboard with chopstick and compare it to just typing with your fingers

it does sound differently because the chopstick doesn’t dampen it well, even if it’s a small difference you may say nobody gives shit

[signal parrot]

bro who is typing with chopsticks

how the fuck did this convo start

https://tenor.com/view/idiocracy-dumb-gif-22939957

[bitter oar]

but if you show a graph it should be accurate, i mean we know it sounds differently but if the graph is innacurate that you try to solidify the point then… well that’s like using userbenchmark to prove that nvidia cards are faster

[bitter oar]

no, i’m saying that the same person may type with different pressure on the keys between two runs

hold the keycap and press it down, then try just pressing it down regulary, then with ypur finger tip and lastly nail. it all sounds differently and some of them could cause the keyboard to sound differently, even if it’s in matter of few percentages it will make the graph unaccurate

your finger acts partially as a dampener.

or if you just bottom out the keys harder, it will also change the sound profile

that’s why he ideally should use a keyboard presser

if he wants to compare

[charred plank]

You're ignoring his point

His point is the claim it doesn't make a difference can't be the case because the proof required to prove your claim doesn't do so

[charred plank]

For the individual test runs of materials I used a headphone as an acoustic chamber rather than a keyboard cause you can't really control a sweep to a keyboard. After doing that it becomes the same process as removing a room to the response of a driver to find the response of the material

Basically you subtract the normalized acoustics of the room or in this case the headphone from the response of the same variable with the material in front

[bitter oar]

welp, i’m just asking if you did test the keyboards individually with swapped materials (both) under the same conditions

because if you did individually test them, you had to type on them

and if you did type on them you will have the inaccuracy

because you can’t type perfectly

1:1

sorry i’m probably missing your point but i don’t know how other than just typing yourself on the keyboards and measuring that you want to measure it

[patent belfry]

i love keyboards!

[charred plank]

The recording of the typing test was just a normal typing test. It'll have typing test variance but the difference in this case is so massive I don't think it's relevant

[crisp patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1111845352304279717/1284211730607509555/attachment.gif

it gets worse

[charred plank]

which do you think is with and without copper foil

[crisp patrol]

they sound the exact same

@patent belfry do they not

[patent belfry]

im done talking to them

[crisp patrol]

sanity check me

ok the spacebar sounds different nvm

that's about all

[charred plank]

the space bar is the part being tested

the w key at the beginning was just to show there is no eq

and that neither recording was modified

cause you or someone else were claiming id do that

[charred plank]

so which sounds lower pitched or less resonant

[crisp patrol]

the bottom out sounds exactly the same

the upstroke just sounds different

it sounds like shit on both anyways because all the audio is one side

[signal parrot]

you should try putting your pcb in aluminium foil for the best sound @charred plank

[crisp patrol]

true true

[charred plank]

The PCB is damped with copper foil

And I get you're trying to be funny but aluminum =/= copper

Aluminum actually is bad for damping highs

[crisp patrol]

there's free copper in your walls

[patent belfry]

lmfao

[brittle pewter]

just one question
is the bottom housing on the majority of gateron switches the exact same, because i'm very bad at this and i probably broke the bottom housing plate clips on the stupid expensive switches at least 7 times

[bronze thistle]

How much cooper foil do I have to eat to line my stomach with it and dampen the growling?

[signal parrot]

im wishing your pcb broke

if you didnt understand

[bitter oar]

rude

[brittle pewter]

yeah
i just destroyed 100$ worth of switches because i suck at pulling them out or the tool sucks
that hurt

[spiral mica]

how

[bitter oar]

i’m sorry, how did that happen?

the clips snapped off?

[charred plank]

I know and it's sad. You're upset that a dumb misconception you held on all metals being the same turned out to be wrong in theory or in practice and are lashing out. If you were an enthusiast I'd think you'd be happy about there being a new and better way to mod boards, but clearly your interest are more aligned with your own ego than the betterment of the hobby as a whole.

Just sad and unfortunate.

It's also sad seeing as with all these proofs I've provided, even creating my own means of creating a normalized testing environment, I'm yet to see someone argue a valid reason (forget even one of you providing proof of a reason even) why copper equals bad besides misunderstanding that metal doesn't equal high pitched or just being upset that it hasn't been done before and falsely imagining that there must be some imaginary lala land reason why.

I can only hope that you can reflect back and realize just how dumb it looks from an outsider perspective to see something have a positive affect on sound in the real world, see measurable proofs explaining why this makes sense, and still just saying it's bad because (I'm not actually sure what the reason is because you refuse to back up your argument with words even)

Imagine if I were to come in here and say non Corsair boards are bad and stupid. You show me a sound test of custom boards sounding better than Corsair boards and even find measurable metrics they are better in that I may care for, I just continue saying non Corsair boards are all trash and even lash out saying I hope all of your non Corsair boards die.

Now I hope you can look at the ridiculousness of that example and self reflect

[crisp patrol]

damn bro that's crazy

[tacit rose]

all the fluff in there scares me, it's not going to short anything or be a fire hazard right

[charred plank]

Maybe realize that's the equivalent to your argument

[charred plank]

No, the cotton isnt conductive enough plus it's insulated from the board. There's also the fact that switches themself are inherently a short

So if pressing the switch can't pass enough current to start a fire, a worst case from the cotton won't either

[tacit rose]

ive seen some scary photos of exploded rk boards but those also have a whole battery right up against the pcb or whatever
as is often the case with cheapo plastic kbs
something about slapping tape on the back being a potential fire hazard in those cases

[charred plank]

The board itself just inherently is too high of resistance from USB power and USB power is just inherently too current limited

[charred plank]

Yea, anything with a lithium ion battery will have a failure rate

Even big brand phones catch fire from time to time from their batteries

[tacit rose]

lol samsung

[charred plank]

It happens to all brands

It's just an inherent risk of having a lithium ion battery

[tacit rose]

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[charred plank]

I remove them from keyboards though because it's easier to tune them without a battery

Plus I don't really use keyboards wirelessly ever

[tacit rose]

yeah fair enough
not much point leaving it in there if you dont need it

[charred plank]

Imo wireless capability is useless for most keyboards

[tacit rose]

it's fine for people who want that no visible cables aesthetic

[charred plank]

Cause if you use it for a laptop you'd need to charge it, so imo it's easier to just plug it in when in use and if it's for a desktop it needs to charge so you aren't removing cables from your desk and it isn't even going to move

[tacit rose]

expensive keyboard hobby is also an interior decorating hobby after all

[boreal rivet]

That’s reserved for trust fund kids and swes with too much money to spend

The rest of us are pretty normal

[brittle pewter]

@spiral mica i think they call them 'tabs'
on the "housing" part of the switch, there's these 'tabs' that help snap the thing into the plate of the keyboard
in order to remove the key switch from the keyboard, you need to use a tool to "pinch" the tabs and push them inwards to loosen the snapping

in this scenario, the switches i had were fully clear plastic so those 'tabs' were extremely thin and breakable. the mfrs were as durable as golden pickaxe off of minecraft.

but i realized i could rectify- i could switch out the broken bottom housings with the bottom housings from like, any cheap donor gateron switch, swapping the copper leaf, and everything.

turns out the key switch puller i had was also very dogshit so it did no favors. it is now sitting inside a jar full of acid so that i can watch it slowly dissolve out of revenge.

[spiral mica]

100 worth of switch tho

[brittle pewter]

even after switching the bottom housings, it sounds the exact same i've found. and they're much more durable

i think they are the clear plastic because rgb.
i am a no-rgb person though so it doesn't matter

[brittle pewter]

well canadian dollars are worth less than monopoly money.

[spiral mica]

also that's really unfortunate, i have used cheap pullers on clear vision housings and haven't really broken one

it does make it slightly damaged tho

[brittle pewter]

yeah they do wear when you do that
the only reason why i had to remove them is because i had to get my barebones keyboard warrantied
i never intended to have to do it 😡

[bitter oar]

golden pickaxe 👍

[brittle pewter]

the switches are Tealio V2 btw

[bitter oar]

yeah i don’t recall myself breaking any switch clips/tabs

at most some dents on the clips that’s about it, they still work

[brittle pewter]

i think, just based off of how plastic works, there should be 0 reason for it to break if its not the clear type

they would crack too

[bitter oar]

damn

[brittle pewter]

you cannot pinch too hard with the tool
the better idea is to use a tool that cannot possibly pinch that far, else the um plate 'clips' will just get pushed in and bend too far, resulting in them breaking off of the housing Lol

[thorn nova]

hey there, I'm thinking of new keyboard. wanna go the custom route this time around and was looking around at some "entry" level ones. was looking at the Keychron K2 Pro. any ideas or recommendations would be appreciated

[spiral mica]

recommend not getting keychron k series, overpriced and generally not that good

what's your budget

[thorn nova]

around 150 usd

anything lower would work, 150 is just a general max i set as thats all i would really spend on a keyboard

[spiral mica]

neo65

or luminkey65

[tacit rose]

the zeal tax.....
condolences

[tacit rose]

since you're us based, maybe check out whatever qwertykeys has up? it's barebones tho so you'll still be coughing up for switches and keycaps but they do make some pretty bang for buck metal rectangles

oh nvm their site is offline rn 😂
but they got other vendors

[brittle pewter]

ok chat, it turns out zeal key switch housings have hot garbage quality with that clear plastic
used the same switch remover on literally cheap gateron browns i had laying around. i repeatedly removed and re-inserted the same key 10 times and it shows 0 signs of wear

so basically, it is not a skill issue

i have a plated keyboard too so the extra 2 pins on the switch are completely useless and just make it harder to pull out.. i might just replace those cheap housing bottoms with normal gateron ones

[charred plank]

That board's seen better days

[patent belfry]

it's better than your keyboard

[charred plank]

@patent belfry who hurt you?

[charred plank]

@patent belfry you still never answered the question from yesterday

[charred plank]

Or gave your argument for why you hate copper so much

Now that I think about it you've kinda just been raging since coming back

And fake blocking people

Kinda cringe but you do you

[patent belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

can't wait until this guy gets timed out for a week

[charred plank]

Werent you just muted for bullying a member of the server? Also, the whole not being willing to discuss things or be productive but insisting everything anyone other than yourself has or does is bad without reason thing is why people hate this hobby.

It's toxic behaviors like that which makes people decide to skip it

So if you care about keyboards and the hobby maybe avoid behaving like that

That doesn't mean you have to pretend everything is perfect

But maybe, just as a random example... If lets say you think copper foil or copper in general instantly make parts bad in contrary to evidence, provide a reason.

[bronze thistle]

It's effect

[patent belfry]

why is this guy still talking

your message history in mechkeys is hilarious, its literally everyone telling you what we're saying here

[charred plank]

So nothing?

[patent belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-solana-sol-simpsons-gif-11403154367916175406

[charred plank]

I'm about to put a bounty on anyone who's able to find out what your argument against copper is

I will actually PayPal or zelle anyone who can figure it out $15

[patent belfry]

there is none

youre fabricating an argument against yourself

[charred plank]

Then explain why you think copper foil mod sucks or the idea of copper keycaps...

[patent belfry]

im not obligated to explain my personal opinion to you

maybe if you wernt such a persistent asshole

[charred plank]

So you're just wrong

[patent belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-im-done-gone-bye-gif-14331061352776093889

[charred plank]

When there's one stance with evidence and the other is claiming to have some ultra secret reason to disagree they can't tell anyone the other is either wrong and won't accept it or they are suffering from something

[patent belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-26317296

[charred plank]

Conspiracy theory hobby

[patent belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711913638193004556/1259523098173243422/GIF_7-7-2024_9-52-56_AM.gif

[signal parrot]

that’s a lot of passionate writing for a discord argument

[native sundial]

It’s biooc

[simple grotto]

Have you tried other rare earth ores instead of copper?

Pretty sure aluminum foil do the trick too

[signal parrot]

yeah man, I used Lithuanian dirt ore for my gas65

[patent belfry]

lol

[charred plank]

Aluminum is incredibly resonant in audible ranges

[simple grotto]

Have u tried it

[charred plank]

I can make an aluminum sheet recording next to compare

[signal parrot]

yeah make sure to put the alu right below your pcb

[crisp patrol]

[simple grotto]

Honestly copper won’t be credible not until you have tested minimum 50% of the rare earth ores

[signal parrot]

will help with sound

[signal parrot]

Which ones have you tested

[simple grotto]

Platinum, gold, silver, aluminum, bronze, H2O, NaCL

I’m getting close

[signal parrot]

ah I see

[crisp patrol]

zinc alloys next?

[signal parrot]

clearly your don’t know about the famous h202 method

[charred plank]

To what though? I objectively was right from both the real result standpoint and the objective measurements standpoint

[simple grotto]

I would be interested in your aluminum test tho biocc

[signal parrot]

they sound a little thuwumpy yk?

[charred plank]

@simple grotto I'll send you it later when I get a chance

[simple grotto]

If I can see dramatic difference between copper and aluminum that would be impressive

[crisp patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241909862837780550/1251347112281768029/caption.gif

[patent belfry]

biocc so objective

so cool

[signal parrot]

I think it would have a deeper sound

[charred plank]

Solid hydrogen best keyboard material tbh

[signal parrot]

now your getting it

[charred plank]

@patent belfry do you approve of solid hydrogen caps or are they bad too cause it came to you in a dream

[patent belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-logo-go-fuck-yourself-gif-11949308

bro is smoking h2

[native sundial]

laughs in bone stock 60HE

[charred plank]

just got a kinda odd plate for my lucky 65

its made of basically pcb

but tolerances are much much nicer on it

and its much sturdier

so ill try it out

after my krytox 205g0 comes in

I want to redo the lube on all my china joys with it

[tacit rose]

fr4 plates bretty stiff
i got finger pains in places i didnt even know could be sore from one once (spring swapping to something lighter helped tho)

[tacit rose]

wao gee sorry for having weak fingers ig

[signal parrot]

fr4 is not stiff 😭

[tacit rose]

it so is
im using a pc plate now and it's been nice

[still quarry]

damn bro just get a pp plate or something

or even better a plateless build

[tacit rose]

haha pp
i dont wanna solder if i dont have to so i cant run plateless 😔

[still quarry]

https://cannonkeys.com/products/haimu-clipper-sea-serpent-linear-switch?srsltid=AfmBOorMrfhdqzRiy7LTLYV_aGBoDAuiUdVw0GhCGKYxF7G2qAH9dHGL

~~cherry also is tight enough for plateless hotswap tbh ~~

[tacit rose]

but honestly that time was a combination of fr4 plate and cheapo kb mounting and spring weight
so going with lighter springs worked out

[still quarry]

what board was it

[tacit rose]

uhhh
im very particular about having fullsize numpad u see and i cant afford windx
https://www.aliexpress.com/i/1005005496350657.html

[still quarry]

CJs on fr4 damn

[still quarry]

yeah ive heard of the brand

[tacit rose]

im using a zoom75 now tho
blows cheap donkey mount way out of the water

[still quarry]

shame you missed the mirror98

basically was a clone of the windx layout

[tacit rose]

the gaskets are sad, the firmware is jank cn firmware, the internals are as bad as you'd expect (i had to remove the battery entirely because i accidentally punctured it)
but there's a knob!

[signal parrot]

dont get those

i had them and they suck

[still quarry]

shame

[signal parrot]

just get the tactile varation of them

[tacit rose]

yeah, that one is real nice
cant afford austin either lmao

[signal parrot]

those are half decent

[still quarry]

was it just that they sounded ass

[signal parrot]

how dare you!11!! cherry is not prelubed and thocky!!!!

it is prelubed but come on now that shit is ass

[signal parrot]

sounded so mid

too quiet

[still quarry]

impressive

theyre long poles right

[signal parrot]

i think so, its also full 4m

[still quarry]

then its probably haimu being mid

[signal parrot]

also such a pita to remove

i broke a pcb just trying to take it out

[still quarry]

well yeah thats the point lol

[signal parrot]

no but to the point where desoldering is more safe

and quicker

juts make them 0.7 legs and not 0.65 or whatever

do what cherry did

[still quarry]

atp just buy cherry mx browns and call it a day

[signal parrot]

im using their silents rn, tbh not to bad

[signal parrot]

my 2.0 built with browns

endgame switch

[still quarry]

makes since since they're non-silents are too quiet

[signal parrot]

now that i think about it i have 3 boards with browns

[signal parrot]

yeah lol

sounds like overlubed topre

[still quarry]

you reminded me

i have this meme silent build

[signal parrot]

classic retro cyrillic

aw

[signal parrot]

yeah no this is also a meme build

[still quarry]

this the mush machine

[signal parrot]

bully?

[still quarry]

nah campsite

[signal parrot]

ah

ive had a bully before

and a menhir

both ive sold for too much

menhir for a light 6 benjis

[still quarry]

i got the campsite because it was heavy as fuck

[signal parrot]

w

i have such a meme board ngl

powerhouse40 with 80g nixies on fr4

[still quarry]

huge ass weight