peripherals

[nimble mauve]

wth am i lookin at

[charred plank]

a metal keyboard that achieved a deep sound profile at minimal cost

without compromising external look

here is stock

[charred plank]

well mostly stock

[cunning anvil]

speed holes

[charred plank]

I still improved damping a little there

@patent belfry still gonna argue the damping and material options have nothing to do with pitch?

"its all about price and not being chinese"

[cunning anvil]

should i use surface mount diodes at this point

[charred plank]

are you getting interference?

if not no

[cunning anvil]

idk

[charred plank]

why would you

surface mount are a pain to install and to service

[cunning anvil]

because the switches are the only other through hole component

also because these diode case holes kinda ass looking

[charred plank]

they wont be visible though

[crisp patrol]

[cunning anvil]

flip vertical to use as bottom plate of case

or just standoff it idc

[crisp patrol]

mcu on the back?

[cunning anvil]

ye

heres the f/b pcb

def a better way to do this that im not seeing

[crisp patrol]

are keeb pcbs just diodes and mcus or something

[cunning anvil]

y-yea

[crisp patrol]

aside from jumpers and switch sockets

[cunning anvil]

jumper is only for my usecase

you could do it without diodes too i bet

if you have enough pins i mean

or few enough keys ;P

[crisp patrol]

how bad is the firmware side

[cunning anvil]

not bad

i mostly work with zmk

qmk/via/vial is kinda

full of legacy code

[crisp patrol]

can I just like

[cunning anvil]

its probably not compiled in

[crisp patrol]

copy and paste shit

I hate programming

[cunning anvil]

uh kinda?

[crisp patrol]

[chilly perch]

chatgpt

[shell locust]

g68 keyboard blue switch is good ?

24$

[spiral mica]

no

rk is bad

so are blues

[grizzled gust]

I’m gonna put cake mix into my keyboard and bake a cake for ultimate thock

[charred plank]

Here is the actual relative impact of the copper foil mod on gain per frequency of a chamber (base in orange and copper foil in yellow)

You can figure out the exact impact by subtracting then from each other

[cunning anvil]

behold

silk fills

[rustic sigil]

Thank HELL I am not the only one here into ortho linear and row stag

[cunning anvil]

colstag pls

this is ortho tho

[rustic sigil]

or yes col stag I always get the two mixed.

These aren’t all of them but an ok amount

[cunning anvil]

> 7 mutual servers

damb

[rustic sigil]

yeah Hey keyboard nuts going to... nut? that sounds horrible 🤷‍♂️

[cunning anvil]

keebirb gonna keeb

[rustic sigil]

but yeah in totall with normal keyboards and my ergo boards I have around 30.

[cunning anvil]

wait is that a svffer

pog

[rustic sigil]

yeah got it from one of noahs sellers.

there is also that one handed keeb he made a while back the smidge in there.

[cunning anvil]

i see it, thats the one with 3 thumbs?

and a 2x4 iirc?

awesome stuff

currently foraying into 30s territory

[rustic sigil]

yeah I got a set of asymplex artisans made for another board so I threw the spares on there.

[rustic sigil]

tooo deep for me.

[cunning anvil]

ive gamed on a 13 key before, and as long as i can play me games

[rustic sigil]

I 3D model and 40s is already pushing it.

what are you playing?

[cunning anvil]

40s is like my 60s when i dont feel like 30s

well, i also cheat a bit with an mmo mouse

[rustic sigil]

40s is just cozy.

[rustic sigil]

bruh my mouse is wilder than some of my keebs.

[cunning anvil]

30s is more for me being extra smol

testing some boards on the way to the ultimate silly: 3x5 splits cfx integrated nrf

[rustic sigil]

thats a gpx

claw grip W

[cunning anvil]

i really wanna make a mouse pcb sometime

but i have no shells

[rustic sigil]

honestly me TOO

this is a kit.

[cunning anvil]

im thinking about designing a pcb for the kit from uhh

the guy

but also i wonder if theres an open one

[rustic sigil]

I am currently designing a pretty fun set of boards. but I think in a bit I might see how small and compact I can make a mouse.

[cunning anvil]

also considering making a folded metal mouse shell

[rustic sigil]

that's fun.

[cunning anvil]

i have no idea how to best implement it tho

[rustic sigil]

this is my current head ache.

[cunning anvil]

bruce, pill, but smd diodes?

or led matrix?

[rustic sigil]

no smd matrix and to top it off with wkl spacebar design with built in spi screens in the spaces.

[cunning anvil]

oh nice

[rustic sigil]

yeah coding should be a hair pull

[cunning anvil]

what mcu?

like variant

also take a look at this one

[rustic sigil]

og pico. but trrs'd to a small controller for the other screen found out qmk can only handle one per mcu.

[cunning anvil]

oh i thought it was a pill like xP

[rustic sigil]

ble split?

[cunning anvil]

nah this one is a matrix over ethernet split

[rustic sigil]

mmmmm.

nice.

[cunning anvil]

same pcb for both sides

which is really funny

[rustic sigil]

yeah I saw the choc reverable.

[cunning anvil]

given one has the mcu and the other doesnt

its making my brain spin trying to work out the paths

[rustic sigil]

hey sometimes cheaper is better.

[cunning anvil]

yeah, and unlike reviung 34-split,

[rustic sigil]

I have a trick

[cunning anvil]

it doesnt need the halves manu separately

[rustic sigil]

that's nice. I ones did a wired wireless board similarly but instead of trrs or ethernet I just wired everything by hand and added a cable sleeve.

looked really nice funnily enough.

[cunning anvil]

ooh

if you give it a little o ring or something and thread it through a case

look real pro

[rustic sigil]

yup... it was pretty fun now I have a few designs that are a bit more fun for me.

[cunning anvil]

ooh i gotta show vaughn

(guess the layout)

boop

[rustic sigil]

like this one I am working on a non finger stagger dactyle I call Model D based off old IBM motherboards. with a dual built in vik system.

[rustic sigil]

oooh little van inspo I like it.

[cunning anvil]

vik is so silly

gh60

[rustic sigil]

it is fun though once you get it.

[cunning anvil]

its a temptation is what it is

[cunning anvil]

like this one i tried to add a vik

[rustic sigil]

OH yeah and I am SO for it. your talking to someone who spent like 500 on choc artisans so I could have a cool keycap set.

still smell like chocolate.

[cunning anvil]

chocolate artisans

[crisp patrol]

26g or so

[rustic sigil]

yup real pretty too.

[cunning anvil]

wait thats cool

[rustic sigil]

it looks like a cyber truck

I love it though

that is so sweet.

you know I am surprised this sever isn't BOOMING.

[cunning anvil]

theyre more on the gamer side

mice maybe though

[rustic sigil]

MMMMMM makes sense. I have touched a game in like 2 months.

[cunning anvil]

i wonder how few bends i could make a mouse case with

like surely i could just

[rustic sigil]

4

[cunning anvil]

2?

no sides

[rustic sigil]

there is already one made with as "few bends as possible

[cunning anvil]

just a u with a crowbar

[crisp patrol]

it's meant to be simple lol

[rustic sigil]

where do you grip?

[cunning anvil]

the pcb thats gonna be mounted sideways

[rustic sigil]

fair it looks good.

[crisp patrol]

super easy print

[rustic sigil]

I don't doubt it... Mine sucked hahaha

[cunning anvil]

standoff pcb to the bottom of the case, then i need to install a numpad

[rustic sigil]

but I used a fdm

[rustic sigil]

A whole NUMBPAD?

[cunning anvil]

i

maybe

6?

[rustic sigil]

also I do want to point out you may have the smallest mouse... but I. I have the smallest 40.

I just need a micro controller hahaha

[cunning anvil]

i got a badwings pcb :3

came with the battpacks

[rustic sigil]

they are fun little novelties.

[cunning anvil]

battpack goated btw

[rustic sigil]

I should try it then in my quest to try them all (spoiler he dies before the quest is finished)

[cunning anvil]

my protos occasionally revolve around altoids

[rustic sigil]

that's not bad though

mine are usually around fun.

[cunning anvil]

mine are whatever sounds good :D

[rustic sigil]

why I made a book themed keyboard.

called pen pal for novelists

[cunning anvil]

just above the mouse is my smallest, the 6 key cfx that fits in an altoids small

[cunning anvil]

omg thats so cool

[rustic sigil]

at least it has space bars.

[cunning anvil]

the outlines are diff on each?

[rustic sigil]

yeah they stack to make a book

with a track ball and roller encoder.

[cunning anvil]

baby

i learned to type on it before getting bored

[rustic sigil]

it's just a lil guy

[cunning anvil]

i think one of them was the altoids tin 13 i mentioned before

[cunning anvil]

which ball

[rustic sigil]

Yeah super cool to find YET another person into us 40s and below.

[rustic sigil]

a new design.

[cunning anvil]

ooh

[rustic sigil]

It is cheaper and smaller than most but easily probably nicer.

marble.

the most low profile ball of all.

[cunning anvil]

i have a 3x5 split that takes 2 pro micros

but i do not really want to deal with qmk

but also 2 nice nanos kinda steep for a 30

[rustic sigil]

I usually go further and deal with vial

[cunning anvil]

yeah vial prob the play

[rustic sigil]

spring pins.

they are like 7 bucks for one mcu and you can reuse old controllers so you buy and don't worry there is also that 10 usd clone that works identical to N!n

alright well it is late, nice chat though. If you want any of the designs I showed you feel free to DM me and I can send you an invite to my server where I dev and sell them.

[cunning anvil]

yeah but also needs at least a plate because i forgot to standoff the PCB

[rustic sigil]

or you can pop in there to chat, but I got to get some sleep.

[cunning anvil]

👍

im usually here and in 40s tbh

[rustic sigil]

you have probably seen some of my posts then.

I ran the Mantis GB

[cunning anvil]

tbh im not really that up to date on the gb stuff

usually just use what i make and such

[rustic sigil]

all good it was a 40 order or so GB for a pretty wacky board.

[cunning anvil]

ill poke my head in the channel lol

[rustic sigil]

keep in mind a 40s user called it wild.

[cunning anvil]

yeah it's pretty out there, hex caps!

looking like teeth

[rustic sigil]

sculpted hex caps.

they are pretty wild.

alright night man take care.

[cunning anvil]

ye you do too

[grizzled gust]

The what mod?

[charred plank]

Using copper foil instead of a n extra layer of painters tape for damping the inside of keys or the back of a pcb

[grizzled gust]

Why not just some foam or normal tape

[charred plank]

Because foam costs a lot of gain and is not nearly as targeted at removing highs

[grizzled gust]

So your trying to make it deeper?

And copper foil or whatever is better than foam 🧐

[charred plank]

Yes

[grizzled gust]

Embrace the clack ✊

[charred plank]

Here's how it sounds with that

[grizzled gust]

Lucky65 I never heard of that

Is that a china 65

[grizzled gust]

What’s the build

[spiral mica]

very stupid

it will short things

especially with metal case

[grizzled gust]

Yeah seems unnecessary

I’m not into foam but I’d rather use that

[worldly garden]

Hey guys I'm looking for an aluminum 65% keyboard that's gasket mounted, has pom plate, flex cut pcb, rainbow pvd weight and a knob. My budget is $150

can anyone please help me ? thank you

[grizzled gust]

I’m feeling thocky

[worldly garden]

wwhat is thocky man

im new to this hobby

[grizzled gust]

It’s what happens when you fill your keyboard with ice cream sundae

(It has good sound frequency deep thocky)

[worldly garden]

how will ince cream sundae works to make ur keyboard thock or something

i think i will search youtube for what u said

it is so confusing 😂

[grizzled gust]

Trust me

Fill your switches with spray lube

And put a thick coating of dielectric grease onto your pcb

[worldly garden]

wwhy do we have to fill

keyboard with that thing

[grizzled gust]

Cream

[spiral mica]

only one I can think of is zoom65 but I would really not recommend ws studio stuff after owning 2 WS boards

if you dont mind without knob then neo65

wait i dont recall zoom65 v3 being so expensive, how are they justifying a 160+ price point for that shit

[grizzled gust]

Have you seen the kyubi kit pignity

Looked sketchy af but blacksimon made a video on it

[spiral mica]

sketchy

in chinese community people have not recieved their board

after delaying for 3 times

[grizzled gust]

Yikes

If you can actually get your hands on it it’s crazy value

But Simon had problems with half the shit not arriving

[spiral mica]

because of "wrong hole location" "bad ano" and "korean guy complaining" (yes thats basically what they said)

[grizzled gust]

Surely the next cycle board is a 60

[spiral mica]

how good are the cycle boards

havent bought a normal layout mx in a long time

[grizzled gust]

Not tried but got a friend with the cycle7

He says it’s bangers

[grizzled gust]

Once I try all the switches I want in mx, I’ll dip my toes into topre and alps

Wish they were a bit more mainstream just for more custom options

There are alps pcbs and plates made for f1 v2 👀

[spiral mica]

there are a lot of ec pcb on taobao, and a decent amount of apls pcb online

looking to get a alice layout topre pcb+case

[grizzled gust]

I found a cheap ass ec Alice

Ec mlice66 you might’ve heard of it

[spiral mica]

yeah thats the one I am talking about

[grizzled gust]

It seems alright

Case comes in beige with a little silver accent

Pretty neat

[spiral mica]

I think there is a metal case for it too

on taobao

but I like my ec with plastic case

[grizzled gust]

Yeah, probably best to change out the stock domes though

You know the praxis im from aeboards?

They have a ec kit planned

[spiral mica]

I have heard of it from other guys

idk abt the details tho

[grizzled gust]

When it comes out I can get it locally

They have a store you can visit in Sydney

[spiral mica]

good for you

[grizzled gust]

Indeed

[thick totem]

how do i turn off a keyboard needing to use the function key

my new keyboard is the only keyboard that needs it

[spiral mica]

wdym

[charred plank]

It won't

Copper is a metal not a laser beam of death

It's not going to somehow work it's way through an insulation layer to short things

[charred plank]

Again, foam is not nearly as targeted in what frequencies it cuts gain to, so it works more by just muting all of them usually. You end up with a much quieter board as a result by the time to get highs down, which isn't ideal.

[crisp patrol]

do you also have a copper foil hat

[spiral mica]

where the hell did you put it so that it has insulators above and below

[spiral mica]

this looks so scuffed

[charred plank]

How it looks isn't really too relevant if it's inside

Especially if it works well

[spiral mica]

you are making the back of pcb touch the bottom of the case because of the whatever thing in the middle (not related to shorting)

and cotton balls isnt going to do anything especially if you want clack

[charred plank]

The plate doesn't bottom out

[charred plank]

Also the cotton has a pretty useful role it does well

It acts as a diffuser

Not as much of a damping material

But it makes gain across the cavity much more even

Makes different keys sound closer to each other in sound profile

[spiral mica]

you covered the pcb with whatever the fuck that is

most mid-high freq would just "bounce" out

[charred plank]

Liquid electric tape

Also works incredibly well in damping targeted high frequencies

[spiral mica]

and putting a metal thing into a metal case just means ping without dampeners

[charred plank]

Not how that works

[charred plank]

Nope

Brass resonates at a very favorable frequency

And they aren't just resonating against each other

As they're connected with resin

And if you mean the foil it has an adhesive on one side

But also copper doesn't really resonate much in the audible range

It mainly resonates in the mhz range

End result speaks for itself so you can see the science and the affect align up

Here is the lucky 65 with still not stock but much closer to stock damping for reference

[boreal rivet]

can you cite your science

[spiral mica]

yeah I get why no one has done that before

it sounds shit

its so harsh

[charred plank]

First one is modded

Second is the one that's stock with swapped foams

[spiral mica]

yes I can tell

[charred plank]

You can see the relative affect of the copper foil here in yellow on gain for a chamber

[boreal rivet]

cite your science please

also your graph is shit

I can't see how it scales

[charred plank]

You can subtract the orange line from it to get an accurate idea on what's happening to gain

[boreal rivet]

oh wait nvm

[charred plank]

Then you're coping, because the first has next to no resonance or reverb

It's just mids and lows

While maintaining more gain still

[spiral mica]

"mids and lows"

[charred plank]

It's less clacky if that's what someone wants

But I don't like clacky boards personally

[spiral mica]

its way more clacky and harsh

"I dont like clacky" and makes one of the most clacky board I have seen

[charred plank]

Then you're deaf

Cause it objectively isn't

[spiral mica]

@boreal rivet

which is more clacky

[boreal rivet]

im busy

[charred plank]

Or you simply can't figure out which was sent first

[boreal rivet]

also I don't listen to sound tests

[charred plank]

Copper brass was the one sent first

L6 was the almost stock version

[spiral mica]

yes I am aware

and it sounds better and less harsh

and not too clacky

[charred plank]

It's objectively higher pitched and resonates more for each key

So only other possibility is you're using that buzzword wrong

[spiral mica]

ykw I am not gonna argue, if you like it then good, I am just happy its not my board

[charred plank]

Clacky refers to high pitched tones

I guess it's also possible you are having difficulty differentiating volume and frequency?

Because copper brass modded version will be louder as it's meant not to impact gain much at all in favorable frequencies

[nimble mauve]

that sounds like shit

[worldly garden]

i researched what @grizzled gust said about thocky stuff

and im wondering how to make something with that similiar sound

@charred plank can you help me ?

[charred plank]

What do you need help with?

[signal parrot]

I love thock guys

thock no#1

[worldly garden]

this one g

[charred plank]

Similar sound to what

[nimble mauve]

@charred plank can you help me tune my realforce rgb tkl

[signal parrot]

where can I post my keyboards

[signal parrot]

bro just keep it stock ffs just lube stabs

lubed topre sucks

[charred plank]

@worldly garden is this the sound you're going for?

[nimble mauve]

i need help

[charred plank]

Because the mods done to achieve that are pretty complex and some are non reversible

[signal parrot]

where do I post keyboards

[nimble mauve]

can someone help me

[signal parrot]

use Akko cream yellows

[nimble mauve]

its a toper keyboard

[charred plank]

#announcements

[nimble mauve]

i asked @charred plank but they ignored me

[signal parrot]

I can’t post there

[worldly garden]

thocky, nope

[charred plank]

What sound are you going for

[worldly garden]

thocky

[signal parrot]

Is diamond lee trolling

[charred plank]

Can you specify what you mean by thocky? It's a buzzword everyone uses differently

[signal parrot]

I want like a lucky 65

with foam

[worldly garden]

bro

i watch youtube

and they have these keyboard call thocky sounds

nice

imo

[signal parrot]

Troll someone ban him

[worldly garden]

im really a newbie and asking for help

man

[charred plank]

This mindset is why people hate the keyboard community

[simple grotto]

I think thoccy you want to do silicone mod, maybe coin mod, tempest mod (tape mod) maybe even like lube mod too I even seen some people do like break force mod too

[worldly garden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVInBOLSqoM

this is a reference

you know

[signal parrot]

?????

what did I do 😭

[signal parrot]

wanna handwire something

[worldly garden]

what is handwire

[spiral mica]

why does this unironically sounds decent 😭

[worldly garden]

sounds extreme to me

[signal parrot]

that keyboard didn’t use a pcb

copper wire and other wires to lead into a pro micro

[charred plank]

They probably drastically increased microphone gain and used ceramic caps or some other heavy cap. Plus there isn't any case resonance without a case

Still funny though

[bitter oar]

concrete* best or high density material

[simple grotto]

Oh you can also do like foam mod or like o ring mod

[simple grotto]

?

[bitter oar]

this is a thocky keyboard

[bitter oar]

you can fill your keyboard with pretty much anything

[charred plank]

@bitter oar how would you compare these both

[simple grotto]

Why cement that sounds troll

[signal parrot]

Mr biooc I have a question

what keyboards do you have

[worldly garden]

oh

[spiral mica]

I like to fill it with noodles

I like my keyboard slurpy

[bitter oar]

the first one probably i’d pick

[signal parrot]

I have a 600$ keyboard btw

[bitter oar]

it works decently actually, i mean you could also pour 1000 degree aluminum if you know what you’re doing

[worldly garden]

my wifi lags

i just found this keyboard

on facebook

[signal parrot]

worst part is that’s ortho

💀💀💀

[bitter oar]

why.

[simple grotto]

No way what board???!

That’s crazy money to spend on a keyboard

[worldly garden]

doggy bone keyboard

[simple grotto]

YOU HAVE 2 BOARDS?

[spiral mica]

what is that

[simple grotto]

Sounds so good

[spiral mica]

also ngl money doesnt mean a lot for keyboards

[bitter oar]

which board model

[signal parrot]

gmmk pro 🔥

[spiral mica]

overpriced

[simple grotto]

?

It sounds good tho

And he spent $600

[spiral mica]

not rly

[spiral mica]

on a board thats worth less than 100

[signal parrot]

No it’s so good

[spiral mica]

no its not

[signal parrot]

WHATT😭😭

[nimble mauve]

@charred plank can you help me now

[worldly garden]

is clciky switch good

@nimble mauve yo man is clicky switch is good for play fps games

[spiral mica]

its a gmmk pro, sth like a neo would beat the shit out of it

[charred plank]

It sounds high pitched but tbh not very resonant. Id say it sounds good if it's what you're going for

[nimble mauve]

idk

[charred plank]

Isn't my cup of tea but hobby is subjective

[spiral mica]

most keyboard guys dont like clicky

[nimble mauve]

i just need help with my keyboard

[spiral mica]

I dont like mx clicky

[simple grotto]

Dude popol board sounds good bro

[spiral mica]

uh no it doesnt

its not bad

[bitter oar]

atleast gmmk pro uses their gsv2 stabs now iirc

i remember when they had the goats

[worldly garden]

plastic case keyboard or alu case keyboard better ?

[charred plank]

It sounds good if you like higher pitched boards tbh

[spiral mica]

what gsv2

[bitter oar]

glorious stabs

[nimble mauve]

can you help me

[signal parrot]

I know right

[charred plank]

I don't like high pitched boards but I'm not going to hate on it because of that

[spiral mica]

my take on this is for budget, a good plastic>cheap alu

[bitter oar]

@spiral mica you know the sticky glorious stabs right

those that got stuck when you pressed them

[charred plank]

Depends

[spiral mica]

I enjoyed my infi75 (plastic) more than almost all budget alus

[nimble mauve]

can you please help

[charred plank]

If you want a higher pitched sound aluminum will do that better stock even

[spiral mica]

I dont think I have tried a gmmk pro with stock stabs tbh

[bitter oar]

had the infi75 also gut

[worldly garden]

i saw people with alu keyboards has way lower pitched sounds than i am

[spiral mica]

it would ping like crazy

[signal parrot]

I love those stabilizers

[charred plank]

If you plan to mod a board aluminum is also a better base to build off of because it has more gain to work with

[signal parrot]

I also use Durock v2

[charred plank]

Not necessarily

[spiral mica]

shit is fire, I am typing on it rn

[bitter oar]

welp, mine didn’t stick but i had the goat stabs on the 🗑️ gmmk2, and they were mushy and rattly at the same time

[signal parrot]

So mean

[charred plank]

Because there are more factors than just the case material

[nimble mauve]

why is this person ignoring me

i literally need help

[worldly garden]

oh cool, can u tell me more about it ?

[signal parrot]

Hello???

@charred plank can you help realforce

[spiral mica]

get a topre, all problem solved

[bitter oar]

no, i actually never had probs any worse stabilizers than the goats unless were talking membrane non mx keycap clip ons

[nimble mauve]

i have one thats what I need help with

[signal parrot]

Why can this goats

[charred plank]

Aluminum chassis are easier to use as a building block if modding but plastic boards are easier to get sounding lower pitched stock

[signal parrot]

What boards do you have?

[charred plank]

But again the rest of the board plays as much of a role

[signal parrot]

I bet I have better ones

[spiral mica]

ws freya, hhkb, sth with smk blue

to name a few

[charred plank]

Plate, PCB, caps, and switches

[bitter oar]

7 monsgeek m7’s rn and modded f75, some random gaming keyboard, i sold the rest

[signal parrot]

What’s a hhkb

[nimble mauve]

can i have some fucking help with my keyboard

[spiral mica]

topre

happy hacking keyboard

[signal parrot]

What’s that

[spiral mica]

my endgame

[signal parrot]

Hi I can help

[spiral mica]

how

[spiral mica]

imo absolute best type of switch

not even close

[nimble mauve]

one of the switches stopped working and im scared to take it apart

[timber tangle]

I kinda like realforce

[spiral mica]

on a topre?

[charred plank]

Turn it off and turn it back on

[nimble mauve]

yes

[spiral mica]

thats kinda rare for ec to malfunction

[timber tangle]

[spiral mica]

what did you do to your hhkb

[spiral mica]

eh its not hard to take apart topre (idk about realforce themselves)

[bitter oar]

probably not due to the switches

[nimble mauve]

help me then

[spiral mica]

just check if the conical springs are positioned correctly

be careful tho they are easy to be lost

[charred plank]

You could try reflowing solder on the diode and resistor

[bitter oar]

if it’s not the switch itself you’re on your own sorry, likely ded cu or damaged lane

[signal parrot]

i lost the screws

[nimble mauve]

dont help me if you dont know how to help me pls

[spiral mica]

take it apart and check if the conical springs are in the right posision

[nimble mauve]

what are those

[spiral mica]

parts of a topre switch

[nimble mauve]

ok

[signal parrot]

can someone heolp me

[charred plank]

You could also try and check the copper traces for continuity and if there is a continuity break solder across it with copper wick but at that point just get a new board

[signal parrot]

i need to make a keyboard thicky

i dont like the sound of it

[charred plank]

Thicky

[signal parrot]

i bought my brother some sort of tkl and its to loud

uses some black switches

[bitter oar]

model

[simple grotto]

Black switches are kinda trash imo

[nimble mauve]

i like akko cream yellow

[spiral mica]

hyperglide blacks entered the chat

[bitter oar]

didn’t even consider what neighbours think about you when you use them

mb mb i read that as blues

it depends on which heavy switch

as you have trash linears you have good heavy’s

[charred plank]

Never been a fan of any of the cherry switches.

Really want to get some pom pianos to swap my China joys with

[solid verge]

Well when you have a keyboard like yours I can see you don’t like keeping things simple

[nimble mauve]

hello new keyboard person

these people cant help me with my realforce rgb, dont bother

[simple grotto]

You name is realforce

[spiral mica]

topre is different from mx

[charred plank]

I think everyone gave you every possible point of failure and how to fix it

[spiral mica]

^

[nimble mauve]

no way!

[charred plank]

You could try and fix the switch, check for continuity in the PCB, reflow solder on the diode and resistor, or get a new board

[simple grotto]

Maybe get a gmmk pro realfroce

[nimble mauve]

how do i do that

[nimble mauve]

ewno

id rather buy 7 monsgeek keyboards

[spiral mica]

take apart the board

[nimble mauve]

HOW

[spiral mica]

have you considered using google

[charred plank]

With a screwdriver or hands

[nimble mauve]

have you considered not being a jerk about it

i will google it

[spiral mica]

well yeah I obviously have a gx1 on hand to tell you how to disassemble that specific board

[nimble mauve]

arent you an expert

[simple grotto]

HOW

[spiral mica]

no one here is really an "expert" and even if someone is I doubt they would know how to disassemble a specific keyboard without having done so beforehand

[charred plank]

Nobody seems to really post their keyboard audio pics here. There really should be a sound clip channel

[nimble mauve]

just be an expert

walk the walk

[signal parrot]

2.0 something

[bitter oar]

not very helpful

but ty

[simple grotto]

Gmmk pro 2.0?

[nimble mauve]

all i can find is matrix 2.0 on google

[simple grotto]

?

[bitter oar]

that’s not tkl

[solid verge]

Yes that is true let’s hear the abomination you’ve created

[simple grotto]

Oh

[nimble mauve]

neither are you

[bitter oar]

?

[charred plank]

There are an awful lot of new people joining the server just today and going straight to this chat

[nimble mauve]

ive been here since march

[charred plank]

Not you

[nimble mauve]

just needed help, and help i didnt recieve

[simple grotto]

I joined because I saw ploof YouTube shirt on keyboard

[bitter oar]

we are not obligated to help you and we already provided most of possible solutions

[nimble mauve]

i wasnt talking to you

[bitter oar]

i mean there’s #1027757333117415424

[signal parrot]

ah yeah that one

idk its not that good

sounds like

to loud

[still quarry]

@signal parrot you got a pic of it or something

[signal parrot]

Yeah

[nimble mauve]

lol

[simple grotto]

Kinda ugly

Just personal preference

[signal parrot]

Yeah it is

would you guys want it for 2$

[magic wolf]

Id pay $200 if that wood is cherry or walnut

[boreal rivet]

yes can I buy it for $2

[cunning anvil]

I'll take that and the 2 dollars

[crisp patrol]

endgame arrow cluster

[grizzled gust]

I filled case with 205g0 for a pleasing sound

It’s gonna catch on just you wait

It’s the next pe foam

[crisp patrol]

[rustic sigil]

Yup just placed the order for the mcu today

Also I do have normal boards too

[charred plank]

Is there a 3 pin switch like durock pom pianos or should I just clip the legs off my China joys for a socket like this and move pom pianos into my main board

[crisp patrol]

what's the top left board

it's neat

[rustic sigil]

a Svffer

works as a one handed keyboard.

[crisp patrol]

thanks

[rustic sigil]

np the case I printed myself as well as soldered.

so fair warning it does require a bit of understanding of soldering and printing because the case design isn't sold.

[crisp patrol]

hmm

@cunning anvil do you know any kicad tutorials specifically focusing on keyboard pcb design?

[cunning anvil]

noah k

[west barn]

👀 I spy the same headphones I have lol

and nice keycap set

[charred plank]

He6?

[west barn]

yerp

[charred plank]

Nice

Mine is a near perfect clone made from he6seV2 driver

Only difference is the connector and trace is 55ohm instead of 50

[west barn]

Keymyster or however you pronouce his name keycap set?

[charred plank]

Just some AliExpress ones but I loved the look

[west barn]

ah

I got another bongo cat keyboard recently

again lol

Akko Yunzii C68

[true charm]

Witness. My unhinged decision making

Q2 ‘25 LFG

Pangea Full-size from Bowl in bedrock

Numpad swaps to southpaw

🥹🥹🥹

Now to just nail down exactly what caps go on it

[balmy gazelle]

Can someone explain what the debounce settings is in keyboards and what the stages 1-5 mean

[worldly garden]

since when akko made bongo cat keyboard cases

[true charm]

https://dygma.com/blogs/stories/switch-bounce-and-debounce-delay?srsltid=AfmBOoqOBj08D0qnnIB8U8Qzw_IvlqZ855V1MSQQ6LFz9O7kd5-32g_E

[charred plank]

I'm probably going to clean all my switches off and redo the lube with real 205g0

Lubed them with an off brand lube but it's probably not as stable

[nimble mauve]

just buy new switches

[balmy gazelle]

Ok I understand what debounce is now, but what would stage 1-stage 5 mean?

[rustic sigil]

these would look so good with GMK Marmoreal

just the back plate the theme ooooh

thats this set for anyone wondering

[true charm]

Interesting

Looking at gmk indigo

Or gmk firefly

[cunning anvil]

finished routing

real proud of this part

[crisp patrol]

whole lotta diodes

[cunning anvil]

its 36

[crisp patrol]

it's a lot when you realize you have to solder every single one of them

along with the mcu

and switches

[cunning anvil]

nah

i mean yeah

but its not that bad

compared to the 100%s

[rustic sigil]

reminds me of my reversable joystick I once did.

[crisp patrol]

that's like what

108 diodes?

[rustic sigil]

and switches and io expanders and chiplets and mounting points... and pray that it isn't wireless

[crisp patrol]

at least mounting points don't have to be soldered

[rustic sigil]

depends if you have a single mounted board or like some high ends it has a seperate type C connection.

not actual "mounting" I am talking like headers and electrical mounts

[cunning anvil]

MP solder

[rustic sigil]

but also I don't know how to make part pick and place boards so I often do that all my self

[cunning anvil]

i mean i usually use an arduino

and diodes + hotswap

for the bigger ones i might use a combined diode footprint though

[rustic sigil]

I often install IO expanders just because they can be nice to have to use a cheaper part instead of a whole other arduino

[cunning anvil]

but at that size i think i might do a pick/place

[cunning anvil]

other?

oh like splits

[rustic sigil]

yeah

[cunning anvil]

i like shift registers

and ethernet

[rustic sigil]

those are nice too.

but for instance my mono board is really nice but the single ardino doesn't have enough Io or support for dual screen and the amount of switches I need.

[cunning anvil]

screens scary

or rather

i dont feel like programming that much

[rustic sigil]

fair... now imagine dual screens on one micro.... IT IS A PAIN

[cunning anvil]

id love to route it

[rustic sigil]

mainly because qmk doesn't have naitive support too

[cunning anvil]

if i wouldnt have to program it later>

RP arduino? or

[rustic sigil]

that's fair honestly if you want to throw in the new io for me I would totally let you hahaha

[rustic sigil]

RP pico

v1

[crisp patrol]

ah

[cunning anvil]

zmk maybe?

[rustic sigil]

qmk

no zmk might work but I want vial

[cunning anvil]

fair

cant wait for studio to drop

[crisp patrol]

can't you just use the mcu's usbc port

for the most part

[cunning anvil]

for what?

[crisp patrol]

provided it isn't integrated into the board

[cunning anvil]

oh

[crisp patrol]

keeb output

[cunning anvil]

im confused

whats the issue?

er question

[rustic sigil]

OOH WHAT IS THAT?

[cunning anvil]

zmk studio is in beta/alpha rn

[rustic sigil]

yes

[cunning anvil]

basically zmks vial

https://zmk.dev/docs/features/studio

so probably keep a backup plan

[rustic sigil]

sorry I understand his question yes you could but if you have a second mcu or io you need either a trace or cable to carry 5v gnd and information pins.

[rustic sigil]

OOOOH Back pocket for sure.

[cunning anvil]

i might participate when its beta

[rustic sigil]

I might have to try it with this new board

[cunning anvil]

or maybe for 30s

i need to keep tweaking

[rustic sigil]

fair.

[cunning anvil]

my keymap i mean

i have 40s down but 30s still a challenge

[rustic sigil]

you know there is another software that works in git that does this right?

[cunning anvil]

ye the layout editor or sm

[rustic sigil]

yup it's a bit finiky sometimes but REALLY nice for my complex layouts often

half of my 40s are usually tap dance.

[crisp patrol]

when you wanna plug the keeb into your pc can you plug it straight into the mcu's usbc/microusb connector or would you need to use the gpio pins and an extra connector

[cunning anvil]

usually yah you can use the mcu

but if you go atmega328p or somethign

[rustic sigil]

straight into mcu some do ask that you have a seperate type c but yeah 99% is just the mcu header

[crisp patrol]

mhm

idk what I'd wanna use mainly

maybe 32u4

[rustic sigil]

even some high end boards actually incorperate a small mcu with IO so they don't have to spend more on parts.

[cunning anvil]

how come?

[crisp patrol]

my mouse has gpio pins

[rustic sigil]

bruh

[crisp patrol]

idk, just how much I see it being used in lots of different things

not an expert though

[cunning anvil]

its getting to a point in age

its used a lot more before than nowa

and zmk mentioned above wont support it

[crisp patrol]

hm

what do you use mainly

I just want cheap and decent pinout lol

and usbc ofc

[cunning anvil]

usually i use a daughterboard with usb so i dont have to

lock on

lately been using rp2040/nrf52840

are you looking for an mcu or a dev board?

[crisp patrol]

uh

idk depends

I just wanna make silly boards

[cunning anvil]

the chip or the pcb

[crisp patrol]

chip

[rustic sigil]

I use these WAY too often but pi picos are crudly cheap

[crisp patrol]

but pcb with gpio is nice for soldering

especially when converting keyboards

[cunning anvil]

id say learn your way around the firmware ecosystem with a cheap pcb first

[rustic sigil]

dido

[cunning anvil]

before going integrated chip pcb design

[crisp patrol]

firmware

do I have to program

[cunning anvil]

kinda!

[rustic sigil]

yeah I don't love intagrated if you fail there is no saving a lot of parts.

[rustic sigil]

OH YEAH

oh yeah

[cunning anvil]

i do integrated when i want something premium

with a non skele case

[rustic sigil]

that's the fun part just throwing things at the wall and figuring out how to make things stick.

[crisp patrol]

uuuuugh

[cunning anvil]

zmk is a lil less codey and a bit more configgy

imo

not a lot of gui firmware designing

is usually textual up to a certain point at least

i think i only integrated twice, once for a minivan and one for a custom cnc case

oh and kinda one for a ch552 lesovoz

not counting the little macropads i order

[cunning anvil]

kinda makes me want to make a solder on board wireless 100

mainly because not a lot of 100s in zmk

[rustic sigil]

true

[cunning anvil]

also a lot of ergo/ortho

i should get my rowstag fullsize into zmk before the normies get to it

/j

[rustic sigil]

I have made a few non full size solder on not any pick and place but again not sure what files I need for that I know a bom

[cunning anvil]

i just use the bom/cpl/gerber generator

feed jlc, it usually gets right stuff, double check tho

[rustic sigil]

I am saving this and trying it. because WOW would that be useful.

[cunning anvil]

i mean

have you done a lesovoz like

getting to that point is also a bit of a trip

datasheets are friend

and reference designs

and understand the components going in, at least know what their function is

keep capacitors near power pins, usb routing, etc

i ran off the rp2040 design guide, pico schematics, and hopes

[rustic sigil]

well I know all those things and have been using them for some time at this point it is just I don't know what exact files I need.

I am also self taught no one was willing to teach me so I had to learn in depth how things work meaning even putting together a design I have been a bit starved for information.

it also sucks because sometimes you have people willing to help and other times there are very... aggressive, individuals that act a bit to rude for such simple questions.

[cunning anvil]

ah :c

what do you have at this point?

[rustic sigil]

have?

[cunning anvil]

design/information wise? i guess

have you followed ai03/nkiser design guides much ?

[rustic sigil]

SO I have figured out how to make footprints and import change specific kicad things and adjust footprints by manual (I used to do professional architectual drafting and the difference isn't big in software) what I still don't know how to do, is import a pcb new file that just has my files pre loaded and how to import the 3D models into that. I know how components need to mount and all that, I also don't know (because I don't know how to set up a pre made pcb new file) how to import my design from scad to pcb design file)

but electrically wise I am pretty understanding at this point.

[heavy plume]

First ever custom jeybaord

Neo80 gazzaw Babogaum silent linears, drop dcx caps, o ring mount pom plate stuffed with foam

Quiet yet wonderful feel and feedback

[rustic sigil]

some times

they do explain things well but often don't include information I need.

for instance in joe scottos vid on how to make a PCB he forgot to include how to download the file and where to import it to. which seems like and easy mistake, but for someone that is clueless about the program is a MASSIVE problem.

[cunning anvil]

So for symbols I usually use the prebundled ones in the library, and for footprints, I use a mix of standard components and Marbastlib. For local components, I put them in a folder and use the menu in main KiCAD window to add to my project libraries.

[cunning anvil]

Download which file?

[rustic sigil]

SEE I don't know how to add to master project library and it is a problem it really helped with understanding to read schematic but it means all my mcu footprints have to be hand pinned instead of just drag and drop from library.

[rustic sigil]

he has a library file for just basic footprints and info but doesn't include how to download or import it.

just that he has it on his git and it needs to be imported

https://youtu.be/8WXpGTIbxlQ?si=Dgsi9aCMlr8yH0eW

that is the video I am referencing and like I said it is really good but the fact that because I don't know what I am doing I can't understand how to do the first step. Makes it a bit frustrating. it's like making a PC build guide video but forgetting to mention what mounting type your CPU uses or where to find the information. not impossible to find but very annoying to figure out down the road and what they all mean.

sorry to call out scotto for that but he isn't the only one and far from the worst. I just don't love the amount elite ism of building a PCB some people are great about it... but others... they really erk me.

[cunning anvil]

did you find it out in the end?

in the root kicad window, preferences > manage * libraries or the like

usually the footprint library ends in .pretty

its a one time setup if you do it to the global imports, perhaps he did that and forgot to include it in the guide as a result?

[rustic sigil]

nope.

hahaha manually importing footprints to this day no 3D because of it or nets.

[cunning anvil]

damb

youre in atelier right?

or was that the eliteyist

they can be all over the place i hear

[rustic sigil]

I think so yeah I find that all of them are a bit all over the place.

[rustic sigil]

but usually I just need like simple answers like this and I know the rest. I just don't understand why that is so hard to do.

[cunning anvil]

to do?

the importing or the

something else

[rustic sigil]

giving the simple information.

[cunning anvil]

iunno, i get sidetracked with tangents at times

[rustic sigil]

I asked one guy if a micro controller he sold was hex or uf2 or something else... he then proceded to give me a PARAGRAPH about why I was dumb for asking and to ask google instead.

[cunning anvil]

people get really uppity if they think youre "spoonfeeding" for some reason

then refuse to point to resources

as if googling itself wasnt a skill lol

[rustic sigil]

that conversation took 6 paragraphs of back and forth and because of that I don't ask him or buy from him now but all I needed was one word Uf2 hex or tinyUF2 which is what it ended up taking.

[rustic sigil]

yup I was asking for something to point me in a direction not even a full answer but it left me more upset then anything.

anyways yeah I will try that in kicad and if it doesn't work it should point me in the right direction.

[cunning anvil]

for footprints it looks a bit like this

i usually click the folder bc i cant type paths to save my life

[rustic sigil]

HAHAHAHA I feel that.

but no I will try again and see what happens.

[prime mirage]

Not sure what channel to put this in but keyboards are the closest thing cus it’s kinda a peripheral but what’s a good $100 dual monitor arm

[rustic sigil]

the vertical ones are pretty safe. whatever your buying look for the weight limit 50 to 100 lbs is always what I consider to be gold standard anything more than that is great anything below I just try to make sure I am careful.

the independent adjustable ones are kind of difficult to get good and cheap.

[prime mirage]

I can’t find anything even close to that range

Not even ultra wide arms are that much

[rustic sigil]

25 is the ABSOLUTE LOWEST I WILL go.

[prime mirage]

25? Wdym

[rustic sigil]

lbs.

[prime mirage]

That’s on the mid to high end of what you can get

You literally CANNOT get over 35

[rustic sigil]

my arm is rated for 125

[prime mirage]

wtf

I struggle to believe that

[rustic sigil]

It's a 3 monitor stand. worth 500

[prime mirage]

Brother

[rustic sigil]

https://a.co/d/0ryTxuK

this is 44

I am not talking per I am talking total.

most are refrencing per.

[prime mirage]

Link please

[prime mirage]

I don’t want a stacked arm

Also why does weight matter as long as it’s over my monitors weight

[rustic sigil]

it is a testament to the materials. if it is over it is good, but I also have broken arms before.

Ah I was wrong mine was 60

[prime mirage]

Kinda not really a company can just throw around that stuff

[rustic sigil]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B079NNC2YQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[prime mirage]

Pounds?

[rustic sigil]

yes

[prime mirage]

That thing ain’t even close to $500

[rustic sigil]

I will be honest I can't remeber I kind of just threw money at my setup hahaha

[prime mirage]

…..

[rustic sigil]

look I am just saying the weight is what you want to look at. if it can hold both with good enough extra then you should be golden. take my advice or don't it's up to you.

I am not getting snappy just trying to provide the best information I know

[rustic sigil]

your right I forgot that it was bought with a bunch of other things that is where I was getting 500

[loud nova]

eyyy, just bought WS silent tactile switches and a PU foam pre-cut set for my keychron C1

looking to have it be much, much quieter

[twilit rampart]

Yall know if rk keyboards are any good? Someone I know wanted to see if anyone here has one

[spiral mica]

generally no

known to have (or had) pcb issues

and not rly worth for that price (r series is decent but hard to find out of china I think)

[boreal rivet]

Forcereal

[spiral mica]

for cereal

[rustic sigil]

@cunning anvil I have your 30% split. it uses zmk too

lol

[cunning anvil]

i thought you somehow got one of my designs, of which I've only sold one

[rustic sigil]

LOL

no but I do plan to sell this, I can't show the silk but it is SWEET

[rustic sigil]

I am planning to do plover on this as another version as well

[cunning anvil]

ooh steno

[rustic sigil]

riiiight

[rustic sigil]

alright... well the audiophile community is up in arm again.

[main narwhal]

i'm sad that the super heavy steno board that g heavy industries was teasing never came out :c

[rustic sigil]

Well… I do plan on selling these it may be a year or 2 but when I get the coding done it’ll be like a mass drop of stuff

[main narwhal]

they were working on like this big hunk of metal version of the

georgi

this thing

[charred plank]

I hear people complain about QC on them. My take on that is 99% of consumers don't know what QC is and half of the remaining 1% don't get that sale quantity will increase the chance that one shows up broken on reddit with the same failure rate. Idk if they're good but id ignore QC claims

They could very well be terrible still though

If you want to look more into it ask people to give other reasons why it might be bad and ask them for examples that do those things better

[spiral mica]

rk quality is an actual issue, their pcb has been known for randomly failing or some other issues

the newer ones (not named after rk<insert number>) are pretty decent afaik but not easy to come by and the price is not great

[native sundial]

My RK84 was great and never had issues (other than the included cable being terrible)

[rustic sigil]

brother... I could design a metal case for that... in fact.. mine has a metal case...

also slm printing isn't super expensive... it's not cheap by any stretch of the imagination, but not all that expensive either.

[charred plank]

Keyboards have like 1-3 ic's

Not much room for non physical failure

And physical failure of a PCB in a hey board requires one hell of a stomp

So I just don't believe that

It's not like keyboards are a car with 1000 possible points of failure that are physically moving

[modest condor]

https://imgur.com/a/royal-kludge-is-good-brand-you-should-buy-keyboards-x7LTFwp

[charred plank]

Again

I'm not gonna say they're good or bad

But give reasonable reasons to say they're bad

[main narwhal]

It was goin be like they other one

Le.chonk

[charred plank]

Not "this one person on reddit had an issue out of 800000, so I'll equate that to a general issue"

Physical products have physical reasons to be good or bad

I've noticed in multiple hobbies people will do that. If there is a better product than what they want to recommend but they own a product and don't want to admit it's not advisable, they'll resort to claiming the better product is bad because non physical reasons and make big claims like quality control is bad without a fraction of the data a claim like that requires.

Again, the keyboard could be bad besides that

But give real reasons please

Or else you're just discrediting yourself

[still quarry]

yeahh... the rk is not that

[rustic sigil]

I will be honest... the keyboard community isn't that serious.

https://tenor.com/view/khaby-really-gif-21412740

or maybe it's just me.

[charred plank]

A lot of bad advice in the keyboard community

[rustic sigil]

there have been a lot of issues in the past with companies bailing on GBs but recently (in my circle I guess) people seem pretty open to trying new things and understanding the down side if a unique thing doesn't work

[charred plank]

Had people try and recommend I get a keychron V3 over a lucky 65 because "it'll blow up" or "it's Chinese so machining is bad" or "Chinese so anodizing must be bad"

Nobody gave real reasons so I got it anyways and it had issues, none of which anyone focused on and none of which were big deals I couldn't work around

All the reasons the community gave for why I should get a shittier mainstream board though were wrong objectively though

Machining was fine

Anodizing layer off a scratch test was as expected

[rustic sigil]

well unlike the audio industry the base standard for keyboards is... do it work. there are some others but as long as it does most things can be taken.

[still quarry]

the lucky65 is pretty funny becuase the "weight" on the back is just aluminum

i have no problem with it otherwise