peripherals

[muted karma]

legit only worth it if you buy it at a HUGE discount

[hot brook]

Bruh I bought it $80 off of Amazon 💀

[muted karma]

yea not worth it then

[hot brook]

It’s cheaper than the razer alternatives tho

[muted karma]

oh wait

80 off

[hot brook]

And it’s probably the best gaming mouse I’ve ever owned

[muted karma]

so cheaper than the better alternatives

like it should be

[hot brook]

Having a razer mouse isn’t really gonna effect me

[muted karma]

?

[hot brook]

Like I’m gonna have the same experience on both mice

[muted karma]

yea but at that point why spend more money than on a g305

aka like 20-30 bucks

[hot brook]

Eh

I like this one

I just got it today tho

So it might change

@muted karma by far the lightest mouse I’ve owned

So like

[muted karma]

lightness is not everything

and also not especially light by current standards

especially for a mouse with holes in the shell

[hot brook]

Damn

[muted karma]

the viper v2 pro is a full 10g less

with a full shell

the sora is 20g less even

but even then

shape > balance > weight

[hot brook]

The keyboard and mouse you use is just what you like and what’s available

[muted karma]

I have been looking deeper into mice for quite a while now

there is a lot more objectivity in mice than you would expect

[hot brook]

Ah

[muted karma]

there is a good reason why most mice are just iterations of the same 4 shapes

like legit 80% or more of modern gaming mice are just variations of 4 shapes

[fierce isle]

So imma get my first mechanical, are there tangible differences between keychron q1 and keychron k2? They look pretty identical but the prices say otherwise lol

[robust sapphire]

hey guys does anyone knows what switch brand does the CoolerMaster CK530V2 use for the red switch?

[ionic briar]

gateron
but really, any mx footprint switch would work just fine

[muted karma]

the Q1 has a case made from 2 pieces of alu, hotswap switches, a (good) open source firmware, better keycaps, smoother switches

first one obv biggest contributor to the price

different mounting style but that is hard to explain without experiencing it

[viscid flower]

can anyone give any recommendations on a decent linear keyboard thats $60 or under if there is any

[hushed sonnet]

I need a cinamaroll keyboard under like 80-100$ usd. Any suggestions

[cunning bane]

https://amzn.to/3pY7WYH

Any gk61 would be good or even an sk61

I had an sk61 but gave it to my friend

[amber tartan]

i agree

[chrome raft]

I need a good full sized mechanical keyboard, so far I have come across the IQUNIX F97 Dark Side Wireless Mechanical Keyboard and the Glorious Modular Mechanical Keyboard 2. If any has good suggestions I would appreciate it, thank you

[sharp hatch]

I use a Microsoft 850 keyboard

[glossy sandal]

Keychron V/Q6

[chrome raft]

Lmao

[chrome raft]

Thank, I’ll look into it

[chrome raft]

You personally own one?

[glossy sandal]

nah but i've worked with them

what'd you need?

[boreal rivet]

Realforce

[glossy sandal]

106 or 104

lmk

[boreal rivet]

Too poor for either 😔

[glossy sandal]

bruhhhh

[boreal rivet]

Bought a nos jp pingmaster and need parts for nas

[amber tartan]

words

[chrome raft]

I just want a gaming keyboard that is a RGB full sized mechanical keyboard like I said, I don’t mind what price as long as the price isn’t ridiculous

[glossy sandal]

making up words

[glossy sandal]

ye both should be it then, the latency is a bit higher compared to other gaming boards but it’s negligible

[amber tartan]

i found a plate printing service and they can print a pom full plate for my harboor :)

but i have to resolder everything and i hate soldering :(

[boreal rivet]

Bought a New Old Stock 6112883 and need parts for a Network Attached Storage 🤓

[glossy sandal]

errrrm it’s called a google drive

[boreal rivet]

I ain’t paying for 30tb of google drive that can’t run a plex/roon/OpenVPN/qbittorrent server

[chrome raft]

You mean the two keyboards that I already mentioned

[glossy sandal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929397223022788618/1066959086047985784/ezgif.com-gif-maker.gif

this you rn bro

[boreal rivet]

😭

[glossy sandal]

Iquinix is kinda meh and glorious is avoid at all costs

[boreal rivet]

Mfw don’t have parent’s money to throw at things

[amber tartan]

qbittorent? isnt that the pirate thing, are you a pirate? thats illegal

[boreal rivet]

I’m not using it for that ackshually 🤓

[glossy sandal]

educational purposes my asssssss

[chrome raft]

Damn, I’ve been lied to by YouTube reviews. I’ve heard that I should also avoid big brands like Razer or Steel Series. I mean what’s your current daily driver or any other suggestions along with your daily driver is welcome

[boreal rivet]

Realforce 87u 55g the goat frfr

[amber tartan]

beware the topre pipeline

[boreal rivet]

The least evil of the pipelines

[glossy sandal]

imagine buying cases for the same board… haha!!

[boreal rivet]

Norbauer buyers 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[glossy sandal]

ok man

but the pc

[boreal rivet]

Overpriced and overrated I agree

[glossy sandal]

using a 周80 rn, don't really have any recommendations because there's not a lot of (good) full size options other than keychron, the rest are either variations or too expensive

[chrome raft]

So basically, go with Keychron?

[glossy sandal]

86 is a better layout

84 da goat

[boreal rivet]

Paying extra for aesthetics copium be like

[chrome raft]

After you do answer my other question another question, where tf do I find the 周80

[glossy sandal]

so topre housings:

[boreal rivet]

Atleast you get a metal housing

[glossy sandal]

for sake of accessibility/price, yes

also the board I use isn’t a full-size

tkl, no numpad

[boreal rivet]

86u buyers really be paying extra for one less key to turn into wkl

[glossy sandal]

no I just like bar

I need those .75u you feel me

[boreal rivet]

💀

[glossy sandal]

wait

wtf is a pingmaster

[chrome raft]

I know, I just interested in looking at it

[glossy sandal]

idk 💀

here’s one of the original information pages

https://www.zfrontier.com/app/flow/2ko5GmrQAAdA

[chrome raft]

If you don’t know how you even get it, you just randomly find it in a dumpster in an Asian country

[glossy sandal]

but other than that not really much info on it

[glossy sandal]

I bought it on used China market

[boreal rivet]

Kekboard what else

[chrome raft]

I feel like that’s the equivalent to looking through a Asian dumpster, could be wrong tho

[boreal rivet]

That doesn’t sound good buddy

[glossy sandal]

[chrome raft]

What doesn’t

[chrome raft]

I’m sorry, I didn’t mean it in a bad way

[glossy sandal]

nah you chill

I got no idea what this board is either

just sounds and feels good to me so I don’t care enough to find out

[chrome raft]

You like found a good donut that was still fresh in the dumpster?

[glossy sandal]

Chinese market dumpster 😭

[chrome raft]

Yes

[amber tartan]

found a keyboard meetup near me gonna go in august

[chrome raft]

What is a keyboard meetup

[amber tartan]

you meet then look at keyboards

[glossy sandal]

NightPie please marry me I need an Australian vids

viss

bisque

visa

[chrome raft]

I see

[chrome raft]

Ayo

[lilac path]

is the lego keyboard any good?

[glossy sandal]

yeah it’s alright

[lilac path]

I want to get it because funny

so every time I rage there's a lego breaking sound

[glossy sandal]

wild

[lilac path]

tell me I'm wrong

it sounds great too
ima do it

[amber tartan]

im not australian citizen so it wouldnt even matter anyway :D

[glossy sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/big-eyed-cat-stare-cat-giant-eye-cat-gif-26545953

all I wanted to do was go to Brisbane man

[amber tartan]

i liked gold coast better

[glossy sandal]

sounds like a chain restaurant

(Golden Corral)

[amber tartan]

its right next to brisbrane

its pretty much LA but australian

or miami

something like that

[glossy sandal]

EWWWWW

if it’s LA where is the suburbs

[amber tartan]

somewhere

[cunning anvil]

heyo

i have an idea : single mcu, split 30 key

same PCB for both halves, so it's got lower moq

split with 1 mcu over Ethernet cable instead of 2 mcu over trrs

[muted karma]

RJ45 only has 8 connectors

so you get a 4x4 matrix at max

aka 16 switches

you could use something like hdmi

or ig usbc?

[cunning anvil]

no

gonna 3x5

[muted karma]

also an rp2040 mcu is under 2 bucks

[cunning anvil]

xiao has 11 pins

[muted karma]

yea said at max

[cunning anvil]

ye

[muted karma]

square is the highest possible switch count

[cunning anvil]

ye

i meant no to the alternate connector

[muted karma]

yea ik

but if you start using weird connectos alternate controller might be cheaper

just don't use 32u4s

[cunning anvil]

i think it's funny to one mcu with matrix over Ethernet

[cunning anvil]

so only 30 buttons avail anyways

3x5 is perfect

plus switch plate , base plate and pcb can all be the same for both halves

moq 2.5, initially costing 3x the cost of making the small 100mm x 100mm pcbs

6 dollars for a pcb and case plates

skeleton

or 4 if you're really stingy

baby cost

all other costs scale with key amount and are unavoidable

also is cute

symmetrical, pain 27 vibes

i mean ig i could make it 28

but that's weird pins

4+7

5 6 is just better though

[chrome raft]

I think I might get the ASUS Scope II keyboard, seems really nice

[cunning anvil]

gas im bored

[glossy sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/big-eyed-cat-stare-cat-giant-eye-cat-gif-26545953

[chrome raft]

What

[glossy sandal]

not you

[amber tartan]

gas i need a new keyboard

[glossy sandal]

kmg tkl

[amber tartan]

no

[glossy sandal]

what why

[amber tartan]

no kustoms

[glossy sandal]

racist

[amber tartan]

only hkustoms

[glossy sandal]

hk gaming sk61

[amber tartan]

awesome

[cunning anvil]

gas

putting the uneven ends of the 100 to the middle makes it ortho

could make a better ortho 100

[glossy sandal]

what the fuck

[undone sequoia]

don’t have a keycap puller so I did what I could lol

[cunning anvil]

ortho 100 that doesn't look like Tennessee

maybe they deserve to look like tenessee tho

[glossy sandal]

What

[west barn]

that works too lol I did that before I got one or one came with my keyboards

[stray cloud]

i hate this, lol.

cursed

[oblique ibex]

How long has your mechanical keyboard lasted? I've had one for like 7 years now, and I wanna upgrade, but at the same time I wanna keep it since it has a lot of nostalgia within

[plain raven]

I did a usb C mod to my keyboard since the attached cable broke

I accidentally cut the wires too short the first time 😎

Hopefully next time I know how to make a casing instead of using hot glue

But damn I am so happy to keep a good keyboard

[chrome raft]

I was told in another server the keychron K2 gateron brown switches r poo poo and I need cherry mx brown, what keyboard do I get then

[ionic briar]

what are the reasons for that statement?

[chrome raft]

This is the first thing i see in this channel what the fuck

I aint ever checking this channel again bro

[dawn swan]

just avoid brown switches in general unless you enjoy very little tactile feedback

almost linear

[glossy sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-miyu-cope-trash-can-kazumizawa-miyu-gif-25234308

[chrome raft]

Still aint checking this channel bro

[boreal rivet]

Ain’t nobody cares anyway bro

[dawn swan]

still better than people glorifying ABS keycaps and flexible keyboards as 'premium' features as the usual in this channel

clearly zero board knowledge

[hot brook]

I can’t even do it with a key cap puller

[cunning anvil]

wasn't even that weird smh

[hot brook]

Use key cap remover to make button easier to click

[high axle]

wtf ive never seen that thing used

i feel like itll scratch my caps lmfao

[glossy sandal]

It does

[sacred shale]

any suggestions on keycaps that i should buy? im going to build a keyboard with the yunzii ciy tester 68 and gateron g pro 2.0 switches red

[west barn]

Curious what keyboard you got?

[hot brook]

https://a.co/d/btIvZjO

[west barn]

oh I see

[west barn]

not bad board only deal breaker for me is north facing socket but that is dependent per person.

[hot brook]

Wdym north facing socket?

[hot brook]

Oh

Irdc which one

[west barn]

north facing does have some interference issues with cherry profile keycaps which I have some sets sooo that has been an issue

but my keychron V1 is south facing so it's been fun just messing around with random sets

[hot brook]

I want to get those purple ones

[west barn]

But so far my MT3 and ASA keycap set have no issue on north facing so ASA keycaps it is on my Epomaker mini cat 64 board lol

[unkempt dome]

Cherry mx ... lol ...

[muted karma]

I think that is just general hate for tactiles

imo cherry mx are not good for people that just want a board that is good ootb

gateron pros are a much better pick

since they come with good factory lubing etc

and I say that while personally building most boards I own with cherry mx

[unkempt dome]

Cherry mx needs some work to feel good ... and for stock there's way better switches than Cherry mx

[muted karma]

exactly

aka

just buy gateron pros

[unkempt dome]

Cherry mx are a meme at that point ...

[chrome raft]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/TMN9fv

Keyboard and switches I chose before all this is here

[muted karma]

would not say so

[unkempt dome]

I would

[muted karma]

for the average user they just are a bad pick

if you are ready to put the time and effort into getting them nice they sound and feel different than all the other options

and a lot of people prefer their sound

[unkempt dome]

I don't care about sound

So they are probably not worth the time and effort

For me

[muted karma]

nope

[paper belfry]

Yall, I need to find heavy clicky switches for my keyboard, any recommendations I would like something heavier then a Cherry blue. I saw these Khalil Box pinks that were about right but i cant find them anymore in the uk

The heavier the better, and I like clicky

[unkempt dome]

kailh box navy

[muted karma]

https://mechbox.co.uk/collections/whats-new/products/mechbox-super-springs-v2-packs-of-100?variant=40315462058146

just like add these to some random cherry mx style clickiez

thank me later for having an unusable board

[dawn swan]

those GMMK keyboards are ultra shit

the TKL and 100% models

they have identical looking RGB software to a cheap redragon and lie about the polling rate in the specs

and have abnormally high input lag

and the tolerances on the cutouts in the switch plate are the worst i have seen

loose

[cunning anvil]

corner mods or thumb clusters or

[cunning anvil]

goodbye Z

[cunning anvil]

maybe 2 split space would be better

[arctic cargo]

what is THAAT dude

[cunning anvil]

a mistake

[west barn]

the pain I went through convincing my friend not to get it. He was but I was like wait and that was on prime day

[dawn swan]

its worse than just getting something like a z15 for gaming in basically every way if you want a fullsize hotswap

not that many options for that

those go for about 40 dollars and atleast the switchplate wasnt shit and it did not lie about polling rate from what i could tell

PCB seemed like really low quality and the keycaps though

still better than anything from the GMMK TKL/100% lineup

and barebone kits

trash is like 80+ dollars for a barebone kit just for something that completely sucks

can get a cheaper keyboard that is better in almost every way and just replace all the keycaps and switches

https://www.reddit.com/r/glorious/comments/nuvo9w/input_latency_gmmk_pro/

on their own subreddit

one of their better models but that was caused by QMK settings

[west barn]

ironically he got that in the end

[dawn swan]

still shows their quality control

[west barn]

and also a keychron v1 barebones idk why but uhh yea lol

[dawn swan]

any keychron is better than any pile of shit from glorious

still worse than most other gaming keyboards in terms of absolute latency

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1436184-gmmk-v1-polling-rate-issue/

https://www.reddit.com/r/gloriouspcgamingrace/comments/k83dpq/gmmk_not_running_1000hz/

it was literally so bad that when opening up their outdated shitty china software control that looked 90% identical to a redragon that i tried that the "polling rate" option was just some toggle

and ironically made it WORSE setting it to 1000hz

when testing with software like keyboardinspector

showed 8ms gaps in the keystrokes being received which only shows up if it has 125hz polling rate or scanrate

ended up packing it back in the box to return it after just installing a handful of switches and having them rattle around in the sockets and fly out when pulling adjacent ones out of the plate

under 3 hours of messing with the barebones kit

[cunning anvil]

this one might be better

[dawn swan]

it had brightness values in steps and really bad RGB too

only saw it in one other keyboard that was 30 dollars at bestbuy

[maiden cobalt]

How do you take Razer keycaps off?

[dawn swan]

brightness slider would skip at each interval and could see obvious stepping

[west barn]

rip

[west barn]

https://epomaker.com/products/epomaker-mini-cat-64?variant=40191733334089 one of my 2 boards idk what the polling rate is on this one

Wallet draining hobby jk I just enjoy it

lol yea

most of the boards I had were good just sold most of them in the end

[dawn swan]

you can probably set the polling rate to whatever you want since it can use custom firmware

[west barn]

no plans to sell the bongo cat keyboard or my V1 atm until I get my hands on a Q1 Champagne edition to compliment my noctua keycaps

[dawn swan]

but polling rate is not the worst issue with poorly designed keyboards unless it has other bad flaws

like high debounce time with a bad algorithm

[glossy sandal]

what 😭

[dawn swan]

or not sending multiple keypresses at each polling interval

so if its 125hz it would have an 8ms gap between keypresses sent

and if its REALLY bad then it would also have a gap of 8ms between every single keypress

[west barn]

I see yea really no issues with this stacked acrylic keyboard minus yea pretty odvious the middle will bend a bit.

[dawn swan]

instead of clustering a few keypresses in the 8ms window when pressing multiple keys at once it will space each keypress out by 8ms

[west barn]

my clip in stabs came unlubbed so I lubbed them and did some snipping and flattened the metal stabs out

[dawn swan]

that is a "feature" because apparently some people like their keyboards being non rigid

"reduces finger fatigue"

i mean if you are getting bad finger fatigue just typing on a mechanical keyboard with anything other than 100g+ springs then you must have some kind of muscle atrophy

or you are slamming the keycaps to the bottom as hard as possible at every keystroke

[west barn]

lol

[dawn swan]

having the PCB and case flex is just shit build quality and poor design

[west barn]

I question if I do that but at the same time hey I just light spring in my aqua king v3s

[dawn swan]

i can understand gasket mount to an extent

but something is just offputting about pressing down a key hard and then seeing the keyboard bow into a U shape

[west barn]

Oh this epomaker stacked acrylic board had some pcb flex in the center being a screw in plate pcb but putting a piece of foam between the 2nd to last acrylic layer and pcb stopped that entirely

But it was stacked acrylic I knew what I was getting into paying 48$ for this

[dawn swan]

the case flexing is never ideal and just screams cheap build quality, PCB flexing is a 'premium' '''''feature''''' because it 'makes it sound better' and 'reduces finger fatigue' same for plate flexing

i would think if you want a premium feeling keyboard any give to it would be a gasket between the plate/pcb and the case itself

and nothing else would flex or deflect at all

why people buy stuff like metal cases

[neon plume]

Should I get the Royal Kludge RK61 or Magegee portable 60

[west barn]

Lol this triggers me but I’ll find a way to get rid of the gap

[dawn swan]

yeah thats pretty bad

[west barn]

only section that I can see the bend

[dawn swan]

is there enough space there to put something like a bolt through it

to clamp the sheets together

drill a hole through the stack of acrylic carefully maybe

[west barn]

I might do that just need to find a screw long enough and try not to crack it

that is my main concern

[dawn swan]

yeah it cracks easily

especially thinner

safer option is to actually glue it but that can be ugly and messy

[west barn]

oh yea the layers get thinner as you move to the top

[dawn swan]

could probably do something like get a piece of metal strip and bend it into a C shape

and then place them along the edge by the spacebar

to clamp the layers together

piece of stiff steel with some pliers

or 3d print clamp things to an exact size if you have access to one

[torn moon]

Designed my first pcb! I'm trying to make a folding low profile keyboard, cause I couldn't find one anywhere

[cunning anvil]

folding?

[torn moon]

One of these

[cunning anvil]

oh neat

ive considered it

but i just decided to use smaller keyboards

also low profile feels funny

[opaque shard]

Mine is split wireless, but it has magnets so the two halves snap together like a folding one

[spark cairn]

Anyone know any cute mechanical light up keyboards that arnt to exspesnsibe

expensive*

[lilac grotto]

Royal kludge 68

[hot brook]

Real

That’s what I have

[lilac grotto]

same

🤝

[spark cairn]

Since im broke and planning on making a pc I probably rather get a keyboard with no key caps and buy tbe

them*

[unkempt dome]

You can check akko, they usually have some nice set

[muted karma]

It's cheaper to buy something fully assembled

[woven dawn]

What brand would you guys choose for TKL between these:
Logitech
Corsair
Keychron
Glorious
Razer
SteelSeries
GSkill

[amber tartan]

none of these

but if i had to probably steelseries

[bitter oar]

if these are only options then keychron

if you can afford the gmmk pro then that one is fine

but i would just buy keychron and lube it for 1/2 of the price

[dawn swan]

glorious is shit

any of their keyboards

they are worse than corsair

and thats saying something

the glorious keyboards have 2x the latency of basically all wired keychron models and 4x the latency of any decent gaming keyboard

https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1310692?n=1

its on par with a redragon which is pretty sad according to rtings but some people dont like their testing methodology

their 100%/TKL models atleast not the PRO

but the PRO had its own problems with abhorrent defaults like 125hz until they later improved it

most people solved by flashing with QMK and putting usable settings in their config

still worse than a random 50 dollar gaming keyboard from most brands

one of the top reviews on GMMK TKL on amazon

if people are noticing input lag when TYPING you know there is a problem

20+ms is longer than a frame at 60hz

no excuse for it being that bad

[twilit flare]

keycaps are already getting wear lol

[slate forge]

quick question is the blackwidow v3 worth it to buy for gaming since the halo edition is only 69 euros right now?

[noble imp]

what yall think

lubed holy pandas

diy caps

[glossy sandal]

definitely a keyboard

[silver laurel]

It looks pretty nice. But the only thing is that the keycap color dosent match 😭😭

[noble imp]

kinda intentional tho 😛

got kinda tired of all black

[umbral plover]

which one should I get? redragon k616 or skyloong sk61

[amber tartan]

dont be mean gas clearly he tried

[ripe hatch]

god damn love that

super cute

[dusk oasis]

Thoughts abt this keyboard https://fluxkeyboard.com/?v=7516fd43adaa

[deep wave]

Seems cool

[smoky comet]

h

[cunning anvil]

1 pcb

[glossy sandal]

quite obviously 2

[cunning anvil]

;P

[opaque shard]

What's the idea of the innermost column here?

[cunning anvil]

screaming

[opaque shard]

You want to try out having one less key in that column, but not confident you'll like it?

[cunning anvil]

who needs 3 on the pinky, but inner id like 3, at least for games

[opaque shard]

What's the purpose of the overlapping footprints?

There's an overlapping one on the thumb also

[muted karma]

Layout options?

Also it's reversible

So you can have one layout on one side and a different one on the other

[cunning anvil]

thumb is 1 2u or 2 1u

[sleek bronze]

Yeah for option
Having not symmetrical split keeb looks terrifying btw

[cunning anvil]

how do you mean?

[sleek bronze]

Like 1 key thumb cluster on one side and 3 on the other or smth

[lilac grotto]

does anyone have any budget linear switches recommendation

[amber tartan]

gat yellow ks3

[lilac grotto]

unsurprisingly i already have that for my alphanumeric lol

[lilac grotto]

ah ks3

pricing is nice

[chrome raft]

ASUS keyboards vs Razer keyboards

[foggy flicker]

Hey I'm new to keyboards, could anybody give me good references (texts, blogs, videos, podcasts) to get into it? I'm looking for a comprehensive overview of types of keycaps, lubes, materials, etc starting from the basics all the way into the specifics. Feel free to ping or pm me!

[glossy sandal]

https://www.keyboard.university

not 100% comprehensive but it goes over some stuff you’ll need to learn

otherwise I would just say to hang around communities and ask questions and learn

what’s the budget?

[glossy sandal]

faux-custom vs gamer boards

[chrome raft]

I mean aren’t custom keyboards bad for gaming tho

[dawn swan]

custom keyboards are only bad for gaming with bad firmware on the mcu

its usually not a priority for there to be good firmware or settings

qmk is the most popular and the best you can do is 1000hz with 1 key per report

they prioritize things like layering and macro functionality over performance

no RGB still too i think

best example of a "bad" custom for gaming would be running QMK with NKRO disabled and 125-250hz with 10ms debounce and non eager method

but that can be changed with like 10 lines in a config file to become 1000hz forced NKRO and eager debounce with a short window

which is as good or better than most cheap gaming keyboards

but as far as i know most if not all popular firmware for customs has chord splitting which can be an issue for some games

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109785.0

https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1691983?n=1

at 1000hz it becomes 1ms between each key registered instead of 8ms at 125hz but its still stupid because i have seen 40 dollar gaming keyboards be capable of microseconds between keys registered

like 0.2ms between each key instead of 1ms when pressing all at the same time

kind of nitpicking but if you are spending that much time and money into something it just sucks that the issue has still not been resolved

its brought up in the QMK discord every few months

i tried building from one of those PRs a while ago with a durgod keyboard and it was sending multiple keypresses at once but it was still slower than a cheap gigabyte board

why i just gave up on it and bought a wooting for gaming

i dont really like linears for typing but its worth the sacrifice to have adjustable actuation distance and decent performance with no debounce/chatter issues

too bad no keyboard exists that has a toggleable tactility or something

[plush grove]

I need some help trying to find a keyboard for gaming. I am trying to find a pink/white keyboard that is 65 or 60 size for under 250. Can anyone help?

[stiff mantle]

Is the mx master 3s and the mx keys a good keyboard mouse combo for mac?

[dawn swan]

for that budget just get a wooting 60he and swap the keycaps and case with the colors you want

should be around 175 dollars if i remember correctly and have at worst 2-3 month wait

that model has support for swapping the case

[swift forge]

How’s a Keychron low profile K series instead?

Though I assume not much benefit aside from a novel experience if you’re not into custom kbs/care about it

VIA and QMK is a boon though

[foggy flicker]

Thank you very much i'll have a look <3

[maiden cobalt]

What keycap puller should I get for my Razer keyboard looking for suggestions preferably on Amazon

[main narwhal]

There was a flexible edition of the Butterstick that was never sold

[maiden cobalt]

Ping me if you have a suggestion

[main narwhal]

mostly because at that time, it was prohibitively expensive to have the pcbs manu'd, I think she told me it was over a hundred bucks to get 3 of them made

but the results worked

[main narwhal]

wire ones work fine

[maiden cobalt]

Wdym wire ones

[maiden cobalt]

Oh what

How do you use them

[main narwhal]

the wires are flexible but "tuned" so want to close

so they are flexible enough to go "over" a keycap, but then close again

[maiden cobalt]

Ok

[main narwhal]

at which point you just pull upwards

[maiden cobalt]

Ok

[main narwhal]

just don't use those plastic ring keycap pullers that ship with a lot of boards, those can damage caps

[maiden cobalt]

Ok

[cunning anvil]

what cap puller should i get to maximize cap damage

[main narwhal]

a hammer

[cunning anvil]

thanks

would a rock work though

[main narwhal]

ya

[amber tartan]

the 1 grit

[severe crow]

hey guys i got a budget for 130 uk pounds for a tkl keyboard i want none of that numpads keys shit

[cunning anvil]

what about numrow

[severe crow]

remove as well

[vale flint]

.

[cunning anvil]

how many keys do you even want lol

[main narwhal]

what do you mean no numrow

like no numbers at all?

just letters and arrows?

[cunning anvil]

dawh thats cute

[main narwhal]

smol

[cunning anvil]

cute!

[amber tartan]

45% is best percent

[glossy sandal]

I laughed so

Hard

[cunning anvil]

have you not heard of the 1 grit before?

[autumn agate]

40s are wild

[glossy sandal]

I didn’t even know this was a dankpods thing

but 1 grit is funny

[main narwhal]

i like 40s

I have a bunch lol

[tall stump]

what if there was a keyboard with little vibration motors under each switch for the illusion of tactility or something

[sonic cape]

could anyone suggest a cheap pcb for this plate ? best from Ali

apologize for the angle, my iphone is high

[cunning anvil]

have you seen me Doug

[main narwhal]

wat

[main narwhal]

should work with any universal 60% pcb

where are you shipping to

[cunning anvil]

#peripherals message

me Doug

[main narwhal]

most of my 40s are splits

the only non split 40s I have are a romeo and a prime e

[cunning anvil]

ah

[main narwhal]

oh I have some planck style boards that were given to me

[cunning anvil]

im working on a split

[main narwhal]

i don't like them

the plancks

too cramped

[cunning anvil]

planck has too many keys

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/834558873398411335/1132799588990992404/image.png

[main narwhal]

for chording?

[cunning anvil]

chording?

its regular

[cunning anvil]

great

now ive descended into the chording rabbit hole :sadge:

[sleek bronze]

Chording isn't great for any real use case

You don't only type on a keyboard

But you can type Linux commands, program things or simply use keyboards shortcuts

Whenever you do that chording is a pain to have around

However doing combos is cool

[cunning anvil]

^C is a chord

[sleek bronze]

Like if I press two specific keys at the same time (50ms delta) it can make a esc or a tab

It could even make some basic useful word

[cunning anvil]

that doesnt sound great for most cases tho

strafing in fps comes to mind

[sleek bronze]

Combos are cool for keys like tab, esc, enter or whatever

Yes

Switch to another gaming layee

[cunning anvil]

that sounds pain

[sleek bronze]

Also look at homerow mods
This shit is LIT
Single best feature in the whole word

[sleek bronze]

You toggle a gaming layer when launching a game

I couldn't use a split keeb without combos and especially without homerow mods

Homerow mods are the only reason I use Linux
Yes it makes no sense and yes it is still true

[cunning anvil]

why

im still gonna do some chorded stuff for the fun of it

in case i

lose an arm

or something

or decide that i need a keyboard when texting

[cunning anvil]

real use case: one arm

rsi

[sleek bronze]

I have rsi

But I do have two arms

[cunning anvil]

idk its not like you need to do everything from just keyboard, you can use a mouse at the same time if typing only takes one hand

[sleek bronze]

Well I have rsi because I have a genetical disease that makes every joint in my body not working lmao
I can have my shoulder dislocated if I lift a bottle of water and do not contract the muscle FULLY to "block" the articulation

Same for fingers, but there is no muscle around the articulations to protect them from going on vacation

And I almost don't use a mouse anymore

No need to find ways to integrate mouse/pointing with your split keeb if you just don't try to point at things anymore

[cunning anvil]

true

what i mean is "real" use cases arent just "do everything" because if it did, something like going mouseless wouldnt be great for most "real" use cases

also steno is chorded, is live transcription not real?

[cunning anvil]

noticably tactile, while being an overall light and as silent as possible switch reccs?

[sleek bronze]

I almost don't use my mouse
Like 3min every hour at most and that's a stretch

[cunning anvil]

k

[main narwhal]

Ya it looked kinda like.a.chording board

Like the Georgi

[cunning anvil]

nah its got like 30 keys

totally enough for typing

i swear

[amber tartan]

the better pain26

ergopain

[cunning anvil]

more orthopain

ergonomics is not part of the design

also did you mean the pain27?

[amber tartan]

oops right the spacebar

we should have branches of the pain27, the ergopain, orthopain, alicepain...

[main narwhal]

some split keebs have trackballs

@cunning anvil chording is mostly used for steno afaik

[cunning anvil]

ye

[main narwhal]

and not all of them have just 12 keys

i kinda wanted to learn steno but just never got around to it lol

[cunning anvil]

steno seems not useful to me

by which i mean its not useful to me specifically

not that it seems useless as a whole

[main narwhal]

for speed rather than comfort

[cunning anvil]

and speed is not useful to me

[green pasture]

how to clean keyboard?

[cunning anvil]

soap and bleach

[tall stump]

remove keycaps put them in soapy water, brush out all the crap between switches, dry caps, put it back on, done

[green pasture]

done

[sonic cape]

eu

[sonic cape]

, im just afraid because it's not the 4 keys next to spacebar one

it's a plate type B

[lilac grotto]

Pretty

[lone tundra]

looks really nice like the colour choice

[amber tartan]

qk87

relatively budget high quality

[autumn agate]

There is no way bro said qk87

It ain’t even f12 bruh

[glossy sandal]

rk87 😍

[wind socket]

milky yellows

[glossy mica]

you mean qk80 lol

[echo knoll]

bruh it's qk80

[boreal rivet]

what are those terrible keycaps 🤢

[glossy sandal]

epehbehteh kon momo

wait idek what those are

oh it’s gmk hallyu

[glossy sandal]

pluck them off and eat them like candies

[boreal rivet]

why does it look like a koreaboo knockoff laser 💀

[glossy sandal]

it is (don’t tell no one)

just looks like dracula/monokai/etc style set with Hangul sublegend for kweeb

[boreal rivet]

speaking of gmk

still haven't received hooty

[glossy sandal]

wtf is that

[boreal rivet]

what happened to all outstanding projects completed by Q4 2022

[glossy sandal]

you are a kweeb

kweeb

[boreal rivet]

I bought for the colours 🤓

[glossy sandal]

blackpink

kweeb

[boreal rivet]

didn't think about that

[glossy sandal]

nice one smart guy

[boreal rivet]

its ok i can just flip it to some kpop stan with too much money

[glossy sandal]

can you sell me at cost

[boreal rivet]

no

[glossy sandal]

(shipped)

[boreal rivet]

also no

[glossy sandal]

wtf…

so much toxicity in this hobby I should get into gunpla instaed..

[boreal rivet]

so true

[glossy sandal]

hell naw I ain’t importing everything hobby related

[boreal rivet]

it ain't so bad if you paint your kits

its taken me like 4 months for one kit

and im still not done

[glossy sandal]

💀

[boreal rivet]

good value 👍

[glossy mica]

It was Q4 2023

Hooty just got to Prototypist btw

[boreal rivet]

oh ok

[glossy sandal]

hooty is a Blackpink set!!

rip gmk blink

[boreal rivet]

i don't check often since the designer doesn't bother updating for shit

[glossy sandal]

if the color matching is bad I’m gonna be so sad

renders look good

[boreal rivet]

for hooty?

[glossy mica]

It’s just the pink and light grey that need to be matched iirc

[glossy sandal]

ye

[glossy mica]

The base grey is 2B

[boreal rivet]

yeah

it definitely won't have that pastel look

[glossy sandal]

[glossy mica]

For what the pink?

[boreal rivet]

ye

[glossy sandal]

need more pastel sets

I think awake was one of the least appealing sets ever for me

the neons look weird and the no text mods kill it so bad for me

[glossy mica]

I’m debating getting dcs windbreaker

[glossy sandal]

got handarbeit vibes

kinda baller on black

[boreal rivet]

ew

[glossy mica]

So good

[glossy sandal]

yeah I mean

I hate it

[glossy mica]

Lol

[glossy sandal]

but it’ll look good

[glossy mica]

I’m prob not gonna

Got too much other stuff I want to get

[glossy sandal]

just buy one color keep stockpiling kits of that color

[glossy mica]

Lol

I’m saving for boards

Buying type k and buying a kohaku off one of my friends

Luckily kohaku is months away

[boreal rivet]

Oh type k ran?

[glossy mica]

Not yet

[glossy sandal]

type k is so baller dude im on that

[muted karma]

not yet

[glossy mica]

In like a month

[boreal rivet]

Ah ok about time

[glossy sandal]

I’m watching type k it’s prob best Gok design yet

[muted karma]

better be

[glossy mica]

Lulzthax unboxed one on stream tonight

[muted karma]

after the amount of protos

[glossy sandal]

I love the tenting

not just another Alice

[glossy mica]

Black with the carbon wrist rest and GMK 1520

Mint

[glossy sandal]

what is 1520

[glossy mica]

Bruh it censored 🐐 lmao

[glossy sandal]

nuh uh

[muted karma]

how can it be the goat

[glossy sandal]

where da side print

[muted karma]

if dcs soldark exists

[glossy sandal]

on the nav

[glossy mica]

It’s not the right one so it’s void

[glossy mica]

Wdym

[glossy sandal]

side legending on print and pause

[glossy mica]

Oh Ig we could add that

[glossy sandal]

I love sets that do that

so many sets don’t I love when they do

[glossy mica]

We’ll see I’ll prob do it

Fits the theme

[muted karma]

not sure how good gmk side pritns look actually

[glossy sandal]

ye this is off like old POS right

[muted karma]

nope

[glossy mica]

Old laptop

[glossy sandal]

lugger?

or what

[glossy mica]

Gridcase 1520

[glossy sandal]

what the fart

[glossy mica]

I like the alt f row more but had to keep the grey for the inspiration

[muted karma]

why si the second B in the base kit

when alice bars are in another kit

[glossy sandal]

remove F13

[muted karma]

bruh

[glossy mica]

You don’t want to have more than 1 color in the bars kit

[muted karma]

you mean with the UV printing?

just make the second B blank

as in just a B

[glossy mica]

Nah with the white legend

[muted karma]

ah, ok

[glossy mica]

The bars kit is prob being axed anyways

[glossy mica]

This is updated kitting

[glossy sandal]

is there ne indicator caps

[glossy mica]

Oh I forgot to take the uv off the second b 😭

In the extension kit

[glossy sandal]

show that jawn

[glossy sandal]

XT support!!

pretty based kitting

[glossy mica]

Ye ye

Rendered on a non existent board

[glossy sandal]

just remove 6.25u and f13 from base kit

[glossy mica]

Lol

[glossy sandal]

I mean the grey frow fits the theme, I just don’t like it

nice set though

pretty good homage to the laptop

[glossy mica]

Yeah we added some other subs that are more modern

[glossy sandal]

wait why is the split shift- 😭

wack

[glossy mica]

I didn’t do it lol

[glossy sandal]

I like da XT row though

very nice

[glossy mica]

Hark is a 40s convert now you can’t expect him to know when to split shift

But yeah with the type k I think it’ll bang

[glossy sandal]

why is the

why only one special fn

[glossy mica]

Bc cost and that’s what was on the laptop

[glossy sandal]

[glossy mica]

People using 6.25u don’t deserve the nice fn

[glossy sandal]

so true

[glossy mica]

But yeah pitching to a lead vendor I won’t name this week so hopefully that goes well

[glossy sandal]

10/10 would pick up off nk if there were a sale

[glossy mica]

Lmao

[radiant lodge]

this image was so fuckin low quality i thought it was 8 bit art

[graceful fractal]

my budget was 40 USD and got a Cosmic Byte CB-GK-33 Astra. What do you guys think of this keyboard

i did change keycaps for 7 dollars

[fleet hedge]

can you link it to me please

the key caps

[graceful fractal]

India?

[lone tundra]

Build a new board this is my third (image taken from a crappy angle)

[rapid kraken]

I need a mouse recommendation guys

And wanna ask about these two pads which i purchased

Both good?

Playing fast games like Cod

[rapid kraken]

Want something good over there

[lilac grotto]

Logitech g102

Just make sure to change the switch after a few months because of the double clicking problem

After that is just smooth sailing

[fading iris]

Or just get a mouse that works…

[lilac grotto]

True that

Its the best option for budget mice

[ancient hill]

ok so, Keychron K1 full sized ultra slim mech keyboard, any alternatives around the same $100-150 price range?

[halcyon pawn]

should i get a higround keyboard or like a ducky one 2 mini

[radiant lodge]

neither

[finite kelp]

rate the White huntsman mini (purple switch)

ive been thinking about getting it

[boreal rivet]

can't go wrong with a GPX

[unreal nebula]

it’s good when it works

[finite kelp]

wdym

[amber tartan]

youll know, eventually

[glossy sandal]

what da Halle

[green stag]

otsus gonna be better for tracking based games like cod zeros gonna be better for tac fps

[rapid kraken]

Got two kind

[amber tartan]

cheap plastic garbage

[boreal rivet]

how rude

[amber tartan]

sorry, i meant the keyboard is cheap plastic garbage

[smoky comet]

supremacy

[glossy sandal]

cheap plastic garbage

[boreal rivet]

its the inside that matters ☺️ ❤️

[lilac grotto]

Wooden wrist rest is nice, kinda regret the varnish tho

[amber tartan]

cheap wood garbage

[lilac grotto]

i know

it has sentimental value

[silver parrot]

what a good 60% that sounds clacky or i could make sound clacky? budget is $130 for base/full build

[autumn agate]

Bakeneko 60 should be like 130 but shipping might put it over (it’s a kit btw)

Molly 60 is also a gb board for 100dollars

[neon plume]

Does anyone know a good keyboard for around £70 with linear switches? I found an Rk61 with Blue switches for £40 so I was thinking I can probably replace the switches with linear switches but I’m not sure if there is a better option or not

[cursive jolt]

Does anyone know how to remove the printed text? The Arabic font looks ugly

[neon plume]

Acetone maybe?

Or buy a new set of keycaps

[unkempt dome]

Acetone might melt the plastic

I would just get another set

[neon plume]

Could get a black marker and just colour it in ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Should I get the RK61 or Redragon K530?

Or Tecware Phantom

[rapid kraken]

vaxee xe vs zygen?

[ivory heath]

I got this keyboard setup from a Kickstarter and I have never put a keyboard together before. What do I do with these

[glossy mica]

what material are they

[ivory heath]

Foam

[glossy mica]

are they used for the mounting?

is it gasket mounted

[ivory heath]

That’s what it is. I see little indents where the PCB is supposed to rest, the same size as these.

[glossy mica]

coolio

[ivory heath]

Thank you

[glossy mica]

np np

[neon plume]

Can anyone recommend a decent keyboard with linear switches, preferably dedicated arrow keys and F row for around £70 that requires minimal (at most) modding

Is this one any good, I notice it only supports optical switches will that be an issue? https://www.amazon.co.uk/EPOMAKER-Gasket-like-Swappable-Programmable-Compatible/dp/B0BGX81N96/ref=asc_df_B0BGX81N96/?

[unreal nebula]

what are some nice linear switches? i’m gonna build a keyboard since my razer huntsman mini broke and i’d love some recommendations!

[neon plume]

Black

I think thats almost universally agreed upon here

I think yellows are good aswell

[unreal nebula]

might be a dumb question too but in order for my rgb lights to go through the housings of the switches have to be clear right?

[glossy mica]

Yes

[glossy mica]

It will only take optical switches

[neon plume]

Are optical switches better or worse

[glossy mica]

Ktt’s are solid, gat yellows are nice, most jwks sound good and are smooth

[glossy mica]

Preference

Idk I haven’t tried them

[neon plume]

Okay, would you recommend optical yellows or blacks?

[glossy mica]

Depends if you like a heavier or lighter switch

[neon plume]

Never had a mechanical keyboard before idk

[glossy mica]

Get yellows

[neon plume]

Are the yellows quieter

[glossy mica]

Prob not

If you want a switch that’s actually quiet you need to get a silent switch

[neon plume]

Okay I’ll get optical yellows

What are Iceberg optical yellows?

[glossy mica]

Prob some random clone

Idk

[neon plume]

Okay

[ivory heath]

Okay I have this keyboard together and it's all working but the RGB is so mfing bright. I think the PCB was Block Boy or Block Toy or something? How the hell do I dim this thing

It's all unmarked other than on the PCB and these ceramic keycaps are almost impossible to pull off of the switches

https://tenor.com/view/gizmo-brightlig-lights-christmas-movies-gif-10592403

[lilac grotto]

fn+ down arrow maybe?

that keyboard be partyin

[shell locust]

Which which switch better blue red brown

Keyboard royal kludge rk84

[autumn agate]

Blues are clicky (an audible click when you press down) reds are just a smooth press, browns have a bump when you press down

There’s no better switch, they’re just different

[west barn]

I think I can beat you in a blinding keyboard

[main narwhal]

Is it VIA enabled?

[dim grove]

is this worth it heard how it sounds from different people but they all sound the different i dont want to mod a keyboard or anything idk what im doing and i am a lazy individual if i am honest so can anyone let me know on this or a nice sounding keyboard that isnt overly expensive i am from the UK too

[tawdry sentinel]

hello there, I'm looking for a new keyboard, one that has an adjustable actuation point, because I always accidentally hit my Space bar (jump) due to my crouch key bind

I heard about the Wooting60HE, and the steelseries apex pro, but I would like to know if there are other options, more appealing, maybe with more actuation point 🤔
also if there is a wooting60He/ steelseries apex pro owner, I would like to ask could you replace one switch with a longer actuation point, I would like to know if it would be working 🤔

[dusty remnant]

been considering the wooting, based on what ive seen you can't swap out the switch/or there is little reason to since you can just adjust individual key actuation points

[tawdry sentinel]

understandable, thank you, at a 4mm actuation point, would accidentally hitting the key not press the key?
I accidentally hit it and it jumps, but it's not pressed all the way in as when I intentionally press my space bar

[autumn agate]

4mm actuation point is literally the lowest a switch can go

You would have to press it all the way down to get an actuation

Standard actuation for switch is like 2mm

[lilac grotto]

imo a solution to your problem of accidentally hitting a key you can always just switch certain keys with heavier switches

like switch your spacebar to a gateron black or something

that is if you have a hotswap keyboard, if you have a soldered one then i guess you'll have to learn some soldering to swap some switches

[still bison]

whats the cheapest barebones for tkl

[warped lion]

what is better the apex pro tkl or the wooting 60he

[sweet thunder]

tech wise wooting

[slender mason]

I am looking at adding a 2.4ghz wireless connection with a dongle to a keyboard that only has bluetooth. Any ideas?

[radiant lodge]

i am looking at turning into a cat boy. any ideas?

[lilac grotto]

i heard estrogen works wonders

[radiant lodge]

psyop

[normal obsidian]

My electric keyboard is out of tune, does anyone know how to tune an electric piano

[robust sinew]

In you guys's opinions, is the halo75 worth it?

[smoky comet]

Drop shipping keyboards are all ass

[smoky comet]

yeah

I set my windows key to 4mm bottomed out

Have never accidentally hit it since then

Wooting lightyears better firmware than apex

[glossy sandal]

Yes

[tawdry sentinel]

thank you for your feedback about it, it's really helpful!

[autumn agate]

HI GASTRAIL

[glossy sandal]

alr bro

[autumn agate]

What did I do

[glossy sandal]

inside voices 🤫

[autumn agate]

WHAT DID I DO

[dusty remnant]

any sites you would recommend?

[dim grove]

anyone recommend a prebuilt 65% or TKL keyboard for maximum of £150 that sounds aesthetically pleasing and has a nice feel?

[autumn agate]

Keychron v2/3

[boreal rivet]

sounds aesthetically pleasing

huh

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-26024669

[radiant lodge]

why does this sound so satire

[amber tartan]

i think you mean sarcasm since satire means something else

[radiant lodge]

@glossy sandal can you send the suisei glasses gif

[glossy sandal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929397223022788618/1066959086047985784/ezgif.com-gif-maker.gif

[amber tartan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/759529327946891264/1062036086584512612/cat2.gif

[dusty remnant]

has LTT ever done a group buy keycap set?

[glossy mica]

Lol no

[tawdry sentinel]

[potent void]

i thought this was keyboards

[glossy sandal]

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[amber tartan]

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[glossy sandal]

@amber tartan

[amber tartan]

greetings

[glossy sandal]

how many

[amber tartan]

many greetings

[glossy sandal]

how much is. Agreeting worth

[amber tartan]

0.87 AUD

[glossy sandal]

how much is that in usd

0.02$

[amber tartan]

:)

[void geyser]

I'm going back to modding keyboards again, I've recently bought this in an auction (CK61)

the only thing I hate about it is that it's a soldered in switches

I did manage to get some of these keycaps

[shell locust]

How about royal kludge rk84?

[void geyser]

already got an rk61

might get a magic force 68 and mod it again

[shell locust]

Its sucks without mods?

[void geyser]

not really

it's decent but I like doing foam mod + tape mod on it

to improve the sound

• my plate mod too

[dusty remnant]

So i broke and decided to try and piece together a second hand Custom Board, Found a K10 barebones for $35, and some cherry browns on hardwareswap, any advise or recommendations?

[radiant lodge]

use that 5 of that 35 dollars for a bus ride to the local job center

[dapper mantle]

any suggestions for a 108 key hotswap board + case? I have my switches and caps picked out, got burned by an Aliexpress 'hot swap' board

[mint swan]

daily keyboard

its in quite good condition for a old wireless ps/2 keyboard

and types nice for a membraine keyboard

ive used a lot of membraine keyboards but this has got to be one of my favorite

its not like the stereotypical mushy crap it feels more nice to type on

i just use it when im sick of typing on my corsair mechanical keyboard

its technically e waste now because its so old and ps/2 but i think its cool

[dusty remnant]

broke as in finally gave in. I just spent 2k on my first Build, didn’t want to go head first into a $300 keyboard rn lmao

[mint swan]

i never buy expensive keyboards i like using random ones i find on ebay from before 2005

its fun

still yet to find a keyboard that uses any kind of serial connector (excluding USB)

[chrome raft]

Wireless keyboard and mouse recommendations under 60 dollars?

[neon plume]

Redragon K530

Depends how cheap you can find it

[neon plume]

$60 for both or each?