peripherals

[boreal rivet]

Surprisingly hard to find things to like in keyboards 😭

[glossy sandal]

did chour xerox board arrive

[boreal rivet]

Nah the dude has been busy

Disassembled the videowriter but I cba to clean and convert

[glossy sandal]

mane you gotta

the tiny alps worth it

[boreal rivet]

Busy with school and plastic models 🤓

How is the Tamiya brush

[glossy sandal]

I DIDN’T BUY IT

I tried so hard justifying it

maybe when I get into model kits but not rn when I clean boards like once every 3m

[boreal rivet]

Smh can’t justify 20$ dust brush but can justify nth keyboard

[glossy sandal]

dawg

you gotta understand

if I buy more kb I’ll use each kb less, therefor I don’t have to clean each one as often

[boreal rivet]

🤓

[glossy sandal]

we gotta quarrel im telling you

[muted karma]

not just rumors

it is basically jane v2 but seamless and center USB

with a db

bruh magnetic backplate is new to me

aka it's shit again

gg TGR

reg V2 was F12 btw

[buoyant fjord]

Is the YunZII IF98 a worthwhile keyboard for someone getting into decent keyboards? I have been using a Razer Blackwidow Chroma for like 7-8 years now and it is finally starting to show its age

[wild star]

No experience with it but 2 things that I may see as negatives would be plate mounted stabilizers and proprietary software

If you could stretch your budget: Monsgeek M2 1800 may be a better option if that is the layout you prefer

pcb mount stabilizers, via/qmk programmability, aluminum housing, brand I've seen before vs no-name

however, doesn't include switches, stabilizers, and keycaps, hence more expensive

[buoyant fjord]

I would prefer something that comes with all of it since I don't have the brain power to do much more right now

[wild star]

Then it's fine I guess? Only comparable keyboard I know of is akko's 1800 layout keyboards

[sinful hull]

is steelseries apex 3 tkl good for competitive gaming?

[wild star]

https://www.rtings.com/keyboard/tests/latency

10ms latency

best will have sub 1ms latency

seems like corsair, razer, and asus boards are consistently low latency

10ms is fine for most but you'd probably want to aim lower for competitive

[sinful hull]

I might get the logitech g213 prodigy or Corsair k70

Low ms latency and cheap

[dawn swan]

corsair products generally suck

best "cheap" low latency keyboard that ive used was EVGA z15 since it was 40 dollars at one point

but had issues

awful PCB quality and hotswap

had to repair it in a few places

if you dont take the PCB out of the case and then put the back of the sockets against a hard surface like a flat desk you risk popping the sockets off the pcb

since its the shitty kailh style

only held on by the solder and to the pads on the pcb

[sinful hull]

I live in turkey so keyboards are usually expensive here i was planning to get corsair k70 but its like 3k and g213 is 1k turkish lira lmfao

[dawn swan]

half of the perceived latency for gaming is the actuation distance but you have a tradeoff between typing accuracy and absolute response time

something like kailh speed silver has a short actuation distance

hate typing on that style though

barely touch another key and it adds characters to words

but the overall latency includes the polling rate and debounce algorithm/firmware of the keyboard

ontop of how long it took you to push the key to actuation distance

3 worst ones that i know of are keychron, GMMK, and redragon in that aspect

highest latency

especially their wireless models

the RTINGs test they include the travel distance of the switch with some solenoid tester and monitor thing they dont test the latency from switch actuation to signal reaching OS

push down the key and then time it to when something changes on monitor

with a high speed camera

so that has some room for error

not sure how they all add it up but that would include things like the overall system latency not just the keyboard

if they are doing the tests like that

anything under 5ms is pretty good probably but i would consider it unreasonably slow if its 10ms+ on something like that rtings test

which basically all of the keychrons fall under

majority of their models tested >10ms and a few between 5-10ms

anything with bluetooth wireless is very slow

and usually see complaints about it dropping connection in reviews

inexcusably bad

especially for its price

returned that keyboard the same day of it arriving after i tried putting switches in and having them just fly out from some of the worst switchplate tolerances ever

wobbled like crazy and if i pulled an adjacent switch the ones next to it came loose

keychron is better than those two brands for gaming but thats not a very good standard to set with how much people rave about them

corsair is one of the lowest latency brands but they are bad for other reasons

mainly durability and quality control

end up seeing more switch chatter too with the cheap high polling rate keyboards like z15 4000hz unless its an optical/hall effect model

or some of the corsairs

anything >1000hz polling rate should not use metal leaf contact switches

and with low debounce time

[wild star]

wooting needs to come out with more layouts

[maiden thunder]

does anyone know keyboards for around 100€? i liked the Apex 7 looks wise, and the numkeypad should be included if possible, id also prefer one with a volume knob and handrest

[livid gulch]

Hey, any recommendations for a decent mechanical keyboard around 100€?

@maiden thunder lol didn't see u asked the same 😄

[pseudo owl]

@maiden thunder @livid gulch look at the keychron V series on keychron.de

[livid gulch]

The v3 looks good, thx

[livid gulch]

For some reason I can only find the k3 not the v3 on amazon

[livid gulch]

Sry guys but what's the difference between this and the v3?

[karmic atlas]

i've heard about these switches called "holy pandas"

[wind owl]

got like $120 budget for a 100% keyboard

what's a good one that I could get off amazon

with cherry-like switches

[chrome raft]

keycron k8 pro,k4 pro, v5 (knob version) or the v3

[unique hatch]

What do you guys think of the rk68 brown switches?

[vocal pike]

Hi i have a problem, only about half of the keys on my membrane keyboard work, but every time i dissemble and assemble back, different keys are working/ not working

I have reassembled it like 5 times and it always did the same

[weak frigate]

Can someone give me a good 80% keyboard for a stict budget of 255SAR on amazon.sa?

[fathom terrace]

what keyboard do you have, and is it a flat one or a "fake mechanical" like the microsoft sidewinder?

not saying i can help you, but i think this could be helpful for others that might

[cunning anvil]

membrane is not mechanical

[fathom terrace]

Discussion/Question: What is the best Keyboard Layout & Type for Programming and Studying?

i would def say that it shouldnt be one with red switches due to the loudness during readings, but past that im open for more takes

[fathom terrace]

thats why i said "fake mechanical"

[cunning anvil]

ah whoops

i accidentally a word

[fathom terrace]

no worries

this is the sidewinder x4, it has keys that look like mechanical but hit a membrane asw

honestly i really love the keyboards layout, if only it were higher quality and mechanical it wouldve been much more awesome

even if the "calculator" button is incredibly random albeit sometimes useful

[harsh mortar]

Has anyone ever experienced micro lags (stutters) in games due to keyboard and mouse clicks?
I found that when I'm not clicking anything in the game, my 1% and 0.01% lows are ok but when I'm playing and clicking I get micro lags every few seconds. (spikes in OSD frametime graph)
I tried another keyboard and mouse and still the same.
I have Ryzen 7700 and Asus B650E board

[livid pier]

This xtrfy k5 compact hotswap keyboard I didn't really like the look of my keyboard does anybody have a tip or a good customize that can make my keyboard look cleaner and better looking?

Honestly I'm not good at customizing keyboards

[karmic atlas]

neither is your camera

jk

[livid pier]

it's a old android lol

[karmic atlas]

damn

are u gonna upgrade?

[kindred crescent]

i need a tkl wooting

[livid pier]

Not really

[unkempt dome]

Drunk deer have a 75% hall effect keyboard

[unique hatch]

Yeah

[amber tartan]

done

keycaps suck right now ill get new ones once i move

@glossy sandal

[glossy sandal]

mmmm

plompy

what’s it built with?

sounds like some sort of plastic

[amber tartan]

mostly aluminium

some plastic

[glossy sandal]

NOOO

I mean the plate

[amber tartan]

half plate

[glossy sandal]

half alu?

[amber tartan]

half pom i think

i forgor...

[glossy sandal]

does dawg even know what he ordered

that spacebar sound weak ngl need gmk…now!

[amber tartan]

nvm its PC

[glossy sandal]

I knew it was plastic

[amber tartan]

its super warped thats why

[glossy sandal]

can you do a flex test

[amber tartan]

you cant tell from that angle

[glossy sandal]

try not to snap the pcb

[amber tartan]

ok

[glossy sandal]

stiff boy

I like it

[amber tartan]

its softer than it looks

[glossy sandal]

those keycaps look nice too

[amber tartan]

but tis also not too stiff

[amber tartan]

nah these are ass lmao

[glossy sandal]

got the Goldilocks flex

[glossy sandal]

they just look nice

alphas are a nice white

[amber tartan]

im gonna get gmk lavender

[glossy sandal]

wtf

get gmk hyperfuse

or some other grey set

[amber tartan]

https://www.switchkeys.com.au/collections/in-stock-keycaps

pick one here ig

[glossy sandal]

gmk modern Japanese desko

[amber tartan]

also from DC if they have any instocks

[glossy sandal]

LMAO they have Japanese desko

that is lit

dcs reaper also looks cool

the rgb bow kkb set would also go hard

[amber tartan]

oh they have gmk pacific

[glossy sandal]

literally never seen the set until now

[amber tartan]

oh wait nvm

it was gmk nimbus they had a special edition for the harbour

which is silver blue

[glossy sandal]

modern Japanese desko ⭐

is harbor a 60 or 65 I forget

[amber tartan]

65

https://dailyclack.com/collections/keycaps?sort_by=created-descending&filter.v.availability=1&filter.v.price.gte=&filter.v.price.lte=

try looking here as well

[glossy sandal]

classic bow would do well

[amber tartan]

gmk moonin h?

[glossy sandal]

moomin color matching was shit no?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/11wjoaz/colormatching_issue_with_moomin_and_rensuya/

[amber tartan]

guh!?

[glossy sandal]

this rensuya guy absolutely stinks with color matching apparently

[amber tartan]

ig not then lol

oh they have gmk firefly

so sexy but not matching with my board

[glossy sandal]

dcs reaper

modern jap desko I’m tellin you man

rgb accents alone make it worth every penny

[amber tartan]

but im chinese!!!!!

[glossy sandal]

nah

[amber tartan]

fym nah

[glossy sandal]

nah

[amber tartan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1074926945676054598/1122602893082640444/ssstwitter.com_1686444523517.gif

[amber tartan]

theres a gmk classic zhuyin

[glossy sandal]

link

if it’s some dumb ass color imma be so mad

[amber tartan]

https://dailyclack.com/products/gmk-classic-retro-zhuyin?_pos=33&_fid=81542aa84&_ss=c&variant=39434363174967

its just retro

[glossy sandal]

beige never failed

also Chinese

[amber tartan]

ok

but im cheap so im gonna keep looking

[dawn swan]

gmk try not to be overpriced challenge (impossible)

can actually get a CNC machined aluminum keycap set for a similar price to some GMK sets

[smoky comet]

would rather burn money for warmth

[glossy sandal]

[muted karma]

bruh

type beat

[muted karma]

first of, where proof
also why would you want all alu keycaps

if you want the sound

cough up for PPS

[cunning anvil]

yo @glossy sandal doug is soldered, just waiting on the case now

programmed too

[glossy sandal]

LESGO!!!

pic??

[cunning anvil]

no encoder, might need longer screws too

[glossy sandal]

you soldered on kailhs??

[cunning anvil]

bit sloppy

kailh mx socks

with option to do kailh lo pro

[glossy sandal]

that’s pretty nice

Was expecting millmax tbh

[cunning anvil]

nah i go overboard every time

[muted karma]

not like you can millmax that PCB easily

[cunning anvil]

#peripherals message

[muted karma]

they would just fall through the holes

[cunning anvil]

also there's the socketed PM

[cunning anvil]

?

[muted karma]

pretty nice

[glossy sandal]

this is so cool

[muted karma]

a millmax socket would just fall through that hole

lol

[cunning anvil]

yeah?

but i chose that hole

it could've been millmax if i was lazier

[glossy sandal]

loh do you do commish

[cunning anvil]

nuu

[glossy sandal]

might need a custom pcb for something soon

[cunning anvil]

i am very still learning

[glossy sandal]

friend is asking me for a fighting game controller he saw

if it works is all I ask

[muted karma]

flatbox?

[glossy sandal]

uhh

lemme read back

[muted karma]

https://github.com/jfedor2/flatbox

this thing

[glossy sandal]

theoretically we could just handwire to controller

and just make plates until he finds a layout he likes

[muted karma]

there is a previous version that used a handwired controller

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4880590

[cunning anvil]

delivery of case is 12th, might order some m2 screws in the meantime

[muted karma]

there is a model of some cable guides

which I would heavily recommend to print if you were to build a slimbox

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4951061

makes it significantly easier

[cunning anvil]

i worry itll be too tall now aaa

[glossy sandal]

nah it’s not this

it’s called a leverless fight stick

whatever that means

[glossy sandal]

stacked acrylic?

[cunning anvil]

ye

[glossy sandal]

I forgot all the details

any fancy finish or just standard

frosted acrylic is really nice

[cunning anvil]

i think i got black lol

[glossy sandal]

atleast it ain’t clear

[cunning anvil]

if it's clear idk what caps imma do lol

i forgor

[glossy sandal]

forgor

just do some blanks

ePBT makes some white blanks

use a marker and profit

[cunning anvil]

i might do wob if it's black

[glossy sandal]

would be hard

[cunning anvil]

sharpie on white if it's not

hard?

[glossy sandal]

cool

[cunning anvil]

black meaning the case

[glossy sandal]

yes

[cunning anvil]

i think i confused myself

[cunning anvil]

ohh

i thought you meant the wob would be difficult to pull off lol

[glossy sandal]

Nah

wob goes on anything

[cunning anvil]

imma spring for shrimps i think, i don't have enough milky yellows left

[glossy sandal]

durock shrimps?

[cunning anvil]

ye i think

[glossy sandal]

nasty jwk leaf ping

[cunning anvil]

ok who suggested shrimps idr

i wanted silent tactile and like

[glossy sandal]

that’s weird because that’s really specific

oh nevermind

boba u4 or haimu silent whisper should do fine

[cunning anvil]

boba was also mentioned

[glossy sandal]

boba is just the line of switches

[cunning anvil]

u4 fine

[glossy sandal]

u4 is the silent counterpart of the u4t

[cunning anvil]

idk

tactile?

[glossy sandal]

ye

[cunning anvil]

noice

[glossy sandal]

if you don’t like mush the haimu whispers are pretty lit

no actual dampening so no mush

[cunning anvil]

sounds like it'd less quieter

[glossy sandal]

just holes in the bottom housings, holes in stem, and flex cuts in the stem?

that might be everything, I don’t remember

[cunning anvil]

i just want more feedback and less noise, idk if i have a preference for the kinda feedback i want yet

[glossy sandal]

gonna have to buy blind

[cunning anvil]

also i bought more magnetic c and they sent the wrong model

[glossy sandal]

magnetic c

hm?

[cunning anvil]

i totally anxed out and didn't try for refund

usb c

[glossy sandal]

magnetic type-c cable?

[cunning anvil]

adapters

[glossy sandal]

confused

[cunning anvil]

the grey adapter

[glossy sandal]

OHHHH

for split kb

yeah my bad I forgot those existed

[cunning anvil]

no for

what

it's c to c with magnetic coupling

i just use that as a macro

[glossy sandal]

😭

im tired man

[cunning anvil]

i don't trust ebay pro micros

[glossy sandal]

so it’s just a magnetic cable?

[cunning anvil]

it's adapter that goes on the end of the cable

I'm tired too lol

[glossy sandal]

what does it do

[cunning anvil]

turns any cable magnets

[glossy sandal]

whuh

it turns any cable magnetic?

[cunning anvil]

https://a.co/d/4lBdVhb

[glossy sandal]

thank you 😭

[cunning anvil]

yeah i realized i could just link lol

[glossy sandal]

yes this is what I was thinking about

a magnetic cable

you have one of these on all your boards?

[cunning anvil]

yeah idk i didn't wanna buy cables just for that so i got the nub

ye all my boards have a magnet

[glossy sandal]

I need to buy a nice cable

[cunning anvil]

ez switching testing

i just use my phone cable lol

[glossy sandal]

I like this one

https://mechkey.store/products/braided-cable

reminds me of iem cables

[cunning anvil]

pretty

[glossy sandal]

it’ll work for like 5y before I replace it

worth it for a cable I’ll use on all my boards

too bad some of the boards I’ve been looking at use micro-usb because old 🥲

[cunning anvil]

i don't trust ports so i like magnets

[glossy sandal]

I trust magnets even less

[cunning anvil]

well if magnets fail just switch it out, only 1 port mating cycle consumed

[glossy sandal]

genius

[cunning anvil]

that's my thoughts at least

[glossy sandal]

is there a way to retighten loose ports

like just bend it back into shape

[cunning anvil]

replace pro micro lul

idk

[glossy sandal]

eh it’s whatever I switch boards like once every 2-3mo

so none of the usbc ports are actually being used to the point they’re loose

[cunning anvil]

i dozed

imma sleep

[fathom terrace]

what should i look for when buying a mobile keyboard for programming and studying. preferably during readings too

id assume the delay isnt relevant unless its really uncomfortably noticeable
it should be bluetooth, and not too loud. considering looking into the keychron series again that i wrote off before bc the 11ms is pretty low for the gaming keyboard standards i was looking for

wonder what layout is best. numpad is not needed but maybe arrow keys could still be useful for keybinds

[opaque shard]

Are you willing to learn new layouts? I've found way better keyboards for programming after learning split ergo stuff

Though I've admittedly gone somewhat far in that direction

My keyboard is like carrying two extra phones with me, it's really compact and really efficient for coding

[boreal rivet]

Hhkb

[fathom terrace]

yes and no, if you are talking about layouts as in key locations, if it doesnt differ too much from stock

but if you want some really weird way of input that isnt just key to letter typing then preferably no

[opaque shard]

I'm using this prototype for coding, works very nice and is very portable

[fathom terrace]

not to be rude but that looks horrible for coding

having everything bound to multistrokes or sth like that seems highly inconvienient

id imagine its easier to have more buttons that do less than vise versa when it comes to fast typing

[amber tartan]

most likely using layers

layers are actually faster than more buttons if youre good with it

[opaque shard]

It's not multiple strokes. It's all there.

[tame arrow]

With the power of AI
This:

To this:

[boreal rivet]

What

[tame arrow]

I know

Pretty cool

[cunning anvil]

you what

[boreal rivet]

no im just wondering what was the point of doing this

[pseudo owl]

It’s pretty much all there with layers, can be faster if you learn it.

[opaque shard]

There's not even many layers. I have 4 layers in total when you count the base layer

It's mostly just a combination of hold-taps, combos and a few layers

[unique hatch]

👍

[chilly perch]

Is $0.146 per switch a good price for omega cheap otemu switches
just need something for testing electrical connection and fitment into stuff etc

[cunning anvil]

haimu whisper silent looks real good

price wise and shush wise

[halcyon ginkgo]

I’m being given a Corsair k65 mini for free, only caveat is that the escape key keeps getting stuck, does anyone have any suggestions?

[chilly perch]

Is it a problem with the switch

[halcyon ginkgo]

Not sure tbh

If it is, could it be a dirty key?

[chilly perch]

Well

So does the key physically get stuck down?

[halcyon ginkgo]

Yes

[chilly perch]

I'd just try giving everything a good cleaning then

[halcyon ginkgo]

Alright, I will come back when I get the keyboard

[dawn swan]

if its a broken switch that jams down when it bottoms out you can put an O ring or something as a temporary solution to prevent bottoming out

and the key will no longer jam down

until the switch gets replaced

[glossy sandal]

lesgooo

[cunning anvil]

whats good wob uniform profile, preferably homing for colemak?

[smoky comet]

only 60% that is good is wooting

can layer stuff easily and even set up keybinds to go off at certain key actuation points

same utility as a full sized

have yet to see another company with as good firmware and software

[pseudo owl]

Blud has never heard of QMK/VIA

[smoky comet]

worse

[glossy sandal]

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2684

[dawn swan]

QMK is still worse than almost any gaming keyboards firmware until they finally solve the chord splitting problem involving multiple keypresses per polling

https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/pull/10955

still not solved

they are more concerned with other things

can only send one keypress at a time to OS

flashed one keyboard with the QMK PR that had a "solution" to the issue and it still was displaying worse behavior than some old revision of a corsair k70

atleast the corsair can handle 2-3 simultaneous keypress events in one polling cycle

[cunning anvil]

out of stock?

[glossy sandal]

nooooo

[dawn swan]

easiest way to see if a keyboard can actually send multiple keys at the exact same time is if you press 2 at once and get a repeating pattern

[glossy sandal]

forgor to check

[cunning anvil]

also the height is different

[glossy sandal]

is it

I thought dsa was flat

[cunning anvil]

screw it, qwerty legends

[dawn swan]

autorepeat in a text input box on windows when holding down keys

[cunning anvil]

any sculpt

[dawn swan]

if the keyboard does the 2nd pattern when pressing 2 keys at once it does not have severe chord splitting

any QMK keyboard will display the 1st result

[glossy sandal]

lesgo

wob you said?

[cunning anvil]

ye

[glossy sandal]

budget or what’s up

[cunning anvil]

hmm idk what's normally good range

[glossy sandal]

hmm

[cunning anvil]

3 picks, min you'd pay for ever being one of em

[glossy sandal]

heard

[dawn swan]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hNMXn_nkpXZIpDHZBcp95E7OweL4594_WDLCY_vTvm0/edit#gid=0 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m8Lf3xk-LiU4ODjeulvq7ER1oX6R6Tez3AIpCtJAGqE/edit#gid=2008307854 lists of keyboards that people have compiled that shows which brands are objectively worse in firmware and polling rate

notice on one sheet theres a box specifically for "any QMK custom"

the most that they have done is make 1000hz the default when building QMK now

but it still has chord splitting

[cunning anvil]

ok

so i see that notice on RG Board List

qmk provides more features that i want, and therefore a board that is better for my gaming

[glossy sandal]

@cunning anvil

how many keys you need

[cunning anvil]

30 legends

6 thumb, 4 homing

37 total

[glossy sandal]

what sizes for the other keys

[cunning anvil]

all 1u lul

[glossy sandal]

Lmao

[cunning anvil]

oh no

case is clear

100 ortho is black

i repeat doug is clear

[glossy sandal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/465288242594578442/1114970709551231016/oioIJUIK.gif

Wob still works

[cunning anvil]

sure

bob

black on beige

[glossy sandal]

you did NOT say this earlier

straight up lying 🥲

wob > bow

[glossy sandal]

https://domikey.com/collections/cherry-profile/products/white-on-black-cherry-profile?variant=39911360299107

alphas kit + something else on there should work

it’s fine if you’re only buying parted out kits

[cunning anvil]

bob?

bob and clear

[glossy sandal]

What

[cunning anvil]

what goes well with a clear case and black PCB

[glossy sandal]

beige would look alright

grey also works

[cunning anvil]

bob centered

[glossy sandal]

NOOO

centered legends r stinky

[cunning anvil]

they cute and bubbly

fine no center but i want double shot now

[urban panther]

I wish akko did ASA corner legends on more sets

[glossy sandal]

I wish Akko didn’t make keycaps

[cunning anvil]

or at least have 2 legends

[glossy sandal]

them jawns mid as heck!!!

[cunning anvil]

no jp pls

[glossy sandal]

you want triple shot???

[cunning anvil]

you can't make 2 with the same color?

[glossy sandal]

oh

[cunning anvil]

is triple even more lol

[glossy sandal]

generally ya

what sublegends you want

[cunning anvil]

not jp just wanna make it look busy for Doug's vibe

[glossy sandal]

is Pepsi okay

[cunning anvil]

id rather take diet than Pepsi

[glossy sandal]

https://loobedswitches.com/cdn/shop/files/DSC06656.jpg?v=1684532426&width=1200

is this busy enough

ye

[cunning anvil]

how many shots holy moly

[glossy sandal]

this is dyesub

I forgor

https://loobedswitches.com/cdn/shop/files/DSC06691-2.jpg?v=1684534006&width=1200

real busy though

[cunning anvil]

dye sub is actually not terrible right

[glossy sandal]

nah

[cunning anvil]

which one was the actual terrible?

[glossy sandal]

depends on manu to manu

man they didn’t place it down all the way

that’s so funny

[cunning anvil]

silks the one im thinking of maybe

[glossy sandal]

reverse dye-sub is pretty bad

novelkeys is the best example I’ve seen to date

[cunning anvil]

wussat

[glossy sandal]

legend is the base keycap color

everything else is dyed

[cunning anvil]

oh

why

[glossy sandal]

vs dye-sub where legend is dyed and base keycap isn’t

[glossy sandal]

white legends on dark colors

[cunning anvil]

is wob

[glossy sandal]

or light legends*

[glossy sandal]

depends on manu to manu

[cunning anvil]

aight, beige with sublegends?

[glossy sandal]

I can do that

did those beige ones above not look any good

I thought the tulip one was nice

[cunning anvil]

is there a darker beige

[glossy sandal]

nah

within those keycaps no

[cunning anvil]

what's the beige w sub

probably no kr

cn would be awesome

[glossy sandal]

these are so busy it’s not even funny

[cunning anvil]

is that wubi

[glossy sandal]

Ya

[cunning anvil]

i

whered you find

[glossy sandal]

21kb

these are on sale too

34$

[cunning anvil]

ye

1u retro win

i want

[glossy sandal]

lit!!

[cunning anvil]

thumbs tho

[glossy sandal]

ctrl ctrl

or just alt alt

better yet just use left right arrows

[cunning anvil]

they're 1u

blank dsa?

[glossy sandal]

I thought you said you wanted all 1u

[cunning anvil]

ye

[glossy sandal]

then whar

[cunning anvil]

im confused

they only have one ctrl alt

that's 1u

[glossy sandal]

ye I was wrong

but they have 2 alts

[cunning anvil]

maybe get like an accent color 10 pack or something of dsa?

[glossy sandal]

could do

A

[cunning anvil]

hm maybe I'll just put upside down r1 f keys

and left/right arrows as home

[glossy sandal]

and the wks as?

[cunning anvil]

for thumbs i mean

special wink

[glossy sandal]

Wha

[cunning anvil]

#peripherals message

bottom right

44.44 with shipping

that's 4 4s

on a wubi set

cursed

[glossy sandal]

just like Doug layout

[cunning anvil]

Tuesday payday

very hype

might get encoder and knob too, know a good 1u max?

ec11 i think is the footprint

[timber hollow]

suggestions for any creamy keyboards that don’t need modding? preferably with backlighting but none is fine too

[amber tartan]

tf is creamy board

[daring tide]

thocky?

[limpid rune]

anime waifu keycaps its like thock but less pronounced i think

[radiant lodge]

thlacky and tharbly

[boreal rivet]

I’m going to have an aneurysm

[amber tartan]

thinking about getting a cheap tkl or mod my ducky 2 tkl

except the ducky tkls are notoriously unfriendly to mod

[muted karma]

look for an hmkb maybe

those are stupid cheap now

couldn't sell mine at all

[glossy mica]

this doesn't mean anything

god taeha why did you have to do this

[dawn swan]

Zero board knowledge, clearly not an experienced listener who can judge THOCk THack

[glossy mica]

[muted karma]

you mean PE foam sound

just call it that

this board sounds thocky like PE foam

[sage oracle]

anyone have recommendations for good tactile switches?

[pseudo owl]

MMK sharks or WS heavy tactile switch

[karmic atlas]

mmk sold out

[chrome raft]

Is this a good keyboard?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fjx2FT/e-element-z88rgb81wrz-wired-mini-keyboard-z88rgb81wrz

[radiant lodge]

no

[chrome raft]

Is it at all decent?

[amber tartan]

i looked at kbdfans tiger lite

seems pretty good

also the frog obviously

[chrome raft]

Is this keyboard even slightly decent?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fjx2FT/e-element-z88rgb81wrz-wired-mini-keyboard-z88rgb81wrz

[amber tartan]

its the same keyboard

different layout

why not just pick an akko or keychron like everyone else

[chrome raft]

Ik. But I'm wondering. If it's not a good keyboard, is it at least slightly decent.

[chrome raft]

What's that?

[amber tartan]

theyre keyboards

[chrome raft]

How much does it cost?

[amber tartan]

budget range

[chrome raft]

Wym?

[amber tartan]

theyre best bang for the buck thats all ill tell you, do your own research

just google their names and find out

[radiant lodge]

no

[chrome raft]

This is the cheapest keyboard on pcpartpicker. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jz7CmG/verbatim-keyboard-99201

[amber tartan]

stop using pcpartpicker it wont help with keyboards

[chrome raft]

I'm using pcpartpicker no matter what.

[amber tartan]

why

your options are severely limited

do as you wish

[chrome raft]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3YkWGX/keychron-c2-wired-standard-keyboard-c2-a3-usa
You said keychron are the best bang for the buck keyboards... this is really freaking expensive. This is the cheapest one on pcpartpicker.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hVJgXL/akko-5087s-shine-through-rgb-wired-standard-keyboard-6925758619462
Cheapest akko...

Why are people spending more than 35 dollars on a keyboard? Stupid.

[cunning anvil]

mean

[amber tartan]

right.

[hasty relic]

is anyone familiar with the mode designs envoy?

im trying to figure out if the green option will clash with the gmk botanical 2's

but I cant find anything about the specific green online

[chrome raft]

https://www.amazon.com/KOORUI-Keyboards-Mechanical-Keyboard-Backlit/dp/B0C1N4XTZ2/ref=mp_s_a_1_5_sspa?crid=312O8KD0D4DV6&keywords=dierya+wired+keyboard&qid=1688426461&sprefix=DIERYA+WIRED+KE%2Caps%2C179&sr=8-5-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfbXRm&psc=1
Is this a decent keyboard?

[amber tartan]

personally i think it would fit

its better if you do some color matching though

look at some pics maybe

[boreal rivet]

yes, you should buy that and spend 45 dollars on a keyboard which as you said is stupid

[hasty relic]

i cant find any information about the specific color code

[wooden harness]

i am looking for an ergonomic programmable backlit keyboard for my wife to game with. she is currently using an old logitech but its starting to wear out and it is not programmable or backlit. she has carpal tunnel and tendonitis so a normal keyboard causes her more pain and she cant game as long. any help pointing us in the right direction would be awesome. i dont recall seeing any reviews on any of the LTT videos posted on youtube. thanks in advance.

[gloomy patrol]

the tiger lite is a decent

has its faults but its solid overall

[karmic atlas]

steelseries apex pro

not sure what ergonomic means but it looks nice to me

[amber tartan]

look for alice or split layouts (keychron q8)

[amber tartan]

like what

[gloomy patrol]

pcb cut to shreds, sound without foam is slightly iffy if you dont tape up the cuts

[amber tartan]

ok fair

[gloomy patrol]

Very fun typing experience and great performance at its price tho

Loved using mine

[amber tartan]

ill get it once i move to my new place

also with tactiles this time because yum

[fathom tapir]

can someone help me with deciding parts for a keyboard
i already have a custom keyboard but want to change (to fit setup) and have forgotten all about them

[viscid tapir]

what are some decent sprays you can use for barebone with thin layer of white

thinking of spraying old one

[cunning anvil]

caps and switches ordered

i think im just missing an encoder but eh

[cunning anvil]

haimu whisper silent tactiles and 21kb bob wubi

may need some screws

[worn panther]

The whispers are kinda mid ngl, not super quiet but they still feel good

The heartbeats though

[brisk radish]

do i need a keyboard for my macbook

[young spoke]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B08YMZRGMD/ref=ox_sc_act_image_2?smid=A7207XU86IMSS&psc=1&th=1 anyone know if this is a good keyboard for price

i need a budget keyboard under £40

[worn panther]

Imma be real with you, you’re better of saving that £40

Red dragon is real bad

[young spoke]

really

[worn panther]

Yeah red dragon and royal kludge are dogwater

[young spoke]

i heard good stuff from a friend of mine

not that specific kb but still

so what kb should i get?

[worn panther]

Ticking stabs, hollow cheap plastic sound, low quality control

Personal recommendation would be a keychron v series or one of the Akko boards

Acr series or mod 007 are good

They’re not gonna fit a £40 budget though

But they’re leagues better

[young spoke]

damm

the keychron v1 is £100

holy

[young spoke]

all those keyboards are £80 atleast

anything cheaper or do i steal one from work?

[worn panther]

I’m not gonna tell you to steal but I am gonna say that spending £40 on a keyboard is always gonna be a waste of money

[young spoke]

huh

[worn panther]

There’s a certain threshold you gotta hit for quality

[young spoke]

£60 maybe?

[worn panther]

Keychron and Akko are like the bare minimum

Or that

Second hand cherry

Idk abt that

[young spoke]

ok i’m gonna commit theft

[worn panther]

You’re a cherry purist

[young spoke]

that’s half the price of the pc i’m getting

[worn panther]

What kind of boards does your work have?

Or you mean for temporary

[young spoke]

some shitty £10 keyboards

[worn panther]

Ah so for temp use I see

[young spoke]

yes

i save £10 atleast

[worn panther]

I would personally recommend a keychron v series, it’s a solid budget option and it was my gateway into better boards

[young spoke]

ok

i’ll last like 2 years on a shitty work kb

then i’ll consider getting something

that’s a long ass link

[cunning anvil]

dang i was going for the quiet

[maiden thunder]

does anyone know keyboards for around 100€? i liked the Apex 7 looks wise, and the numkeypad should be included if possible, id also prefer one with a volume knob and handrest

[dawn swan]

90% of recommendations for that price range are keychron which are horrible for gaming if that is what its going to be used for

just avoid glorious brand like the plague GMMK models too since those fall around that price range and are abysmal

redragon is also notoriously bad in the low end price range and they seem to be increasing their prices with each release even though their quality does not warrant it

remembered trying one for 30 dollars and then months later the same model was starting to go for 50+

same shitpile with 25ms+ of input lag and poor control software and "hotswap" sockets that are only compatible with one brand of switch

[cunning anvil]

question: how good gaming do you need to be for that to actually affect you?

[dawn swan]

depends on what games you play

[maiden thunder]

do you got a better recommendation then?

[cunning anvil]

okay what games matter?

[dawn swan]

for that price range the "best" one i have used that is still being made was evga z15 if you take care of it and are careful when swapping switches

some minor issues like not responding at windows login sometimes but works after unplugging and plugging back in

[cunning anvil]

i play mostly cooperative games, diablo 2 and deep rock galactic with my keyboard

borderlands 2/3

[dawn swan]

then you probably would not care as much about input lag but if its starting to be like 25ms and more such as redragon and keychron in bluetooth mode you might feel it

[cunning anvil]

sometimes tetris

[glossy sandal]

Tetris is great

[cunning anvil]

wired qmk mostly what i use

[dawn swan]

wired QMK default used to be 125hz but recent updates to firmware and configs set it to 1000hz default polling

[cunning anvil]

i love tetris

[glossy sandal]

what’s up loh

[dawn swan]

so theoretically it can get down to 1ms input which is really good but usually the debounce default is bad

you have to mess with the config for your QMK settings

i only dealt with it on one keyboard that i flashed with qmk manually

[cunning anvil]

whats debounce

and whats wrong with the default?

[dawn swan]

its the thing in the firmware that filters inputs to deal with switch contact bounce

when the metal leaf in the switch is closed the contacts will "bounce" for microseconds and send a dirty signal

its basically just filtering it with a wait in miliseconds like 5-10ms

[maiden thunder]

1. that keyboard is like 40-50€?? idk if that makes sense with 100 budget
2. what are khali silver speed switches similar to? red, blue is all i know

[dawn swan]

they are similar to cherry MX speed silver or a red with a higher actuation point

[cunning anvil]

what do i change it to?

[dawn swan]

have to find documentation for it

https://docs.qmk.fm/#/feature_debounce_type

[cunning anvil]

looking at that rn

looks like a lot

[dawn swan]

some people have compiled all the settings to just paste into your config somewhere to improve it as much as possible

like setting the debounce and polling rate

dont have it saved anywhere since i did it on my other pc

[cunning anvil]

neat

[maiden thunder]

keyboard itself looks great, nice RGB, all the features i asked for

so if theres 100€ budget with those things needed thats ur best recommendation?

[cunning anvil]

what does that affect? i dont notice anything strange on current keyboard. will it feel better?

or more, how would it differ

[dawn swan]

it is hard to notice unless your defaults were really bad for the QMK config but you will have less input lag in games

instead of 5-10ms from you actuating a switch to movement ingame it will be a few

like pressing WASD and seeing character movement

[glossy sandal]

what if I have really bad internet latency to begin with

[dawn swan]

well you would still have a difference

really keyboards are one of the last things you do for reducing input lag in your setup after having a good high refresh rate monitor and decent gaming mouse

since monitor and mouse are the largest impact

but its not discussed and people would rather spend the same price on a keyboard that has worse input lag because its "not enough of a difference" or because of how it sounds or something

[cunning anvil]

i have cheap monitor and g600

[smoky comet]

Keychron cult

[gloomy patrol]

keycult

[cunning anvil]

60hz lol

[glossy sandal]

144hz 😊

[cunning anvil]

i wanna higher hz monitor sometime but id rather get more than faster

[dawn swan]

most 60hz monitors can be 'overclocked' to 75hz by forcing it in graphics control panel settings but its not a night and day difference like 60 to 120hz

[maiden thunder]

:o?

[glossy sandal]

more pixels?

[gloomy patrol]

keychron v5/6

[maiden thunder]

sb said its awful

[cunning anvil]

what does keychron even offer over others again

[maiden thunder]

pewpew

[gloomy patrol]

they are entitled to their own opinion

if you want to buy and forget under 100 i think they are a good buy

[maiden thunder]

i dunno, any truth in what theyre sayin?

[gloomy patrol]

should be fine for gaming other than edge cases

[cunning anvil]

technically yes, but generally in areas a good amount of "gamers" wouldnt notice

it seems to sound like

[dawn swan]

the only type of game that i consistently see complaints about keyboards where it 100% does matter is rythm games

[cunning anvil]

that sounds about right lol

[dawn swan]

for things like first person shooters it would help with strafing and peaking to have lower input lag

but its not substantial

[cunning anvil]

rhythm games silly

[dawn swan]

its just an objective measurable difference between keyboard models that is swept under the rug

something that i prioritize with my keyboards over aesthetics/sound/rgb lighting

[maiden thunder]

i play both fps games and rythm games

[dawn swan]

only time the sound of a keyboard bothers me is if there is very bad stabilizer rattle or scratchyness

then you should probably get an evga z15

[cunning anvil]

idc about sound/rgb, i just want smol, so maybe im aesthetic oriented

[dawn swan]

the 40-50 dollar price is the low price when they are offloading the models or something

normally i think they are 100-120

[glossy sandal]

upgrade to a wooting when bigger budget

[dawn swan]

in your usecase you would probably want the silvers anyway for rythm games and fps games

[maiden thunder]

so 40-50 is a steal or what

[glossy sandal]

wooting 2he is nice, the keycaps are kinda sucky though

[dawn swan]

its a good deal id say

for 40-50

thats about the lowest that they go for

is it the kailh silver model

[maiden thunder]

kalih speed silver

[dawn swan]

yeah so that would be one of the better switches probably for the types of games you play

[dawn swan]

it just takes time to get used to for typing accuracy if you are used to membrane or tactile/clicky

since the keys are sensitive

[maiden thunder]

I have a crappy one rn

sharkoon

[dawn swan]

i personally dont like silvers that much and use heavier switches but recently ive been using a wooting which is one of the only linears ive really enjoyed

[cunning anvil]

is there a proper way to build a matrix so that scanning would likely increase response time?

[dawn swan]

the issue is more that the switches themselves are flawed

and why they even need that long of a debounce time

since they have the metal leaf contact in them

optical and hall effect are just better technologies

[cunning anvil]

sym_eager_pr is suitable for use in keyboards where refreshing NUM_KEYS 8-bit counters is computationally expensive or has low scan rate while fingers usually hit one row at a time. This could be appropriate for the ErgoDox models where the matrix is rotated 90°. Hence its “rows” are really columns and each finger only hits a single “row” at a time with normal usage.

[dawn swan]

not sure how many keyboards have issues like that with really bad scan rates

fairly sure the redragons have abysmal scanrates

but nobody flashes QMK onto them

[cunning anvil]

hmm

what causes bad scanrate?

[maiden thunder]

got the SGK5, SOOO MUSHY

[dawn swan]

having a shitty microprocessor on it that is slow and having bad firmware

and having computationally heavy things like animated RGB

[cunning anvil]

.> so like, atmega32u4 and qmk?

i mightve gone cheapest mcu i could find

i wanna get some rp2040 boards but eh

[dawn swan]

you mean for a full custom

probably not an issue for you but for the ultra cheap and old keyboards i mean

[cunning anvil]

whats cheaper and older that qmk can run on?

[dawn swan]

probably conversions of old keyboards where people are flashing QMK onto it not sure

[cunning anvil]

ah

[dawn swan]

you would need to enable debugging and view the output console when running it

to see the scanrate

someone showed me how to once dont remember the exact process

but you enable some line in your config and then read the output after flashing it

[cunning anvil]

are hall effect and optical hard to make customs for?

[dawn swan]

the only main issues I have with QMK currently is no support for >1000hz and something called chord splitting where it can only send one keypress per polling interval

[maiden thunder]

Any big flaws with the Z15?

Im just skeptical bc of the price

[dawn swan]

the sockets are kind of delicate if you swap the switches but thats true for any board that uses kailh style sockets

you have to be careful if you decide to change the switches

its repairable if you do manage to break it though

as long as you take care of the keyboard it should last

[maiden thunder]

Dont think ill change switches anyway

Im not thaat worried abt wear/tear, just abt how it functions

Like is there rattle? Hows build quality, are the switches fine etc.

[dawn swan]

build quality is alittle light, no major complaints about the stabilizers, the switches appeared to have no chattering or mechanical issues but i prefer heavier switches than most people over silvers

[maiden thunder]

Is it much lighter than membrane/SGK5?

[dawn swan]

its not really the lightness of silvers its that they have a high actuation with no tactile feedback

so at first when getting used to it you will make more typing errors possibly

like brushing the edge of another keycap and adding characters to words

less forgiving to clumsy typing

[maiden thunder]

I dont think i like that ;_;

[dawn swan]

the one good thing is that since it is hotswap you can change the switches later if you decide you dislike it

[maiden thunder]

How much would that cost you think?

[dawn swan]

mine came with 4-5 replacements that were bronze/gold colored and tactile/clicky but im not sure if thats standard for that board

depends on what switches you replace it with and if you do the entire board or just part of it

but from novelkeys when i replaced the switches with kailh box clear it was something like 45 dollars total for enough to do the entire keyboard

3 packages of 36 count

[maiden thunder]

Say entire board with mx blues?

Or similar ones

[dawn swan]

probably around 40 dollars or less

depending on brand and where you buy

[maiden thunder]

K

[dawn swan]

when swapping the switches if you want to make sure that it does not have the issue of sockets breaking you can take the PCB out and then lay it on a flat surface like a desk

so that when you push the switches into it the sockets are supported and do not have any give

less likely to pull off the pcb if you insert a switch wrong

its mainly if you try forcing a switch in without making sure the legs are 100% aligned

could cause damage

but you should just try the keyboard for say a week with the switches it comes with before deciding

[maiden thunder]

How many switches for the keyboard? To check pricing

[dawn swan]

i think around 104

[maiden thunder]

What are some cheap mx blue/red alternatives?

[cunning anvil]

really wish i read up on the technical limitations of miryoku before designing with an encoder lol

[dawn swan]

if you are doing rythm games you probably want linear or tactile not blues

[cunning anvil]

@glossy sandal

[dawn swan]

since you mentioned that is one of your usecases

[glossy sandal]

Hi

[cunning anvil]

2 messages up

i regret encoder rn

very annoying to program it seems >.>

or at least with 36+2 layout

sadge

[dawn swan]

not sure what switches are the cheapest budget option but i liked using kailh box style

which are ~40 dollars to do an entire 100% board

[maiden thunder]

Are reds linear?

[dawn swan]

yes

i still prefer kailh box switches since they have less stem wobble and feel a bit smoother

box red/black for linear

or yellow i think is the heavier one than black if you want really heavy

[glossy sandal]

black is heaviest

[dawn swan]

but you should try the silvers before ordering new switches to see if its worth replacing them

[glossy sandal]

yellow is middle

red is lightest

[dawn swan]

for kailh box i thought the yellow was heavier

[glossy sandal]

oh for kailh box

let me check up

[maiden thunder]

Price is spot on with kailh reds

Ill check em first

Still kinda afraid of build quality tho

[dawn swan]

should be fine unless you are abusing it

spilling drinks/dropping/bashing

eating over the keyboard and never cleaning

smoking over it

kailh box are supposed to be more environmentally resistant to liquids and dust though

just supposedly not as good for lubing

[maiden thunder]

Btw do mechanical switches really help with gaming, or is it just feeling?

[dawn swan]

if you mean compared to membrane then it helps with input latency/consistency/feeling

[glossy sandal]

yeah prone to leakage because overtime lube is forced out of the switches

[maiden thunder]

K

Just have to replace keyboard now due to cable kinda breaking

[glossy sandal]

wdym by technical limitations?

what’re you trying to make it do

[cunning anvil]

miryoku is a neat 36 key map thats super customizable but like

its slapped on top of qmk so its hard to do things that arent like

expected?

idk

just trying to add a knob and now im looking for a new map

sad

[maiden thunder]

Wouldntve expected to get a 40€ keyboard recommendation with 100€ budget

[glossy sandal]

you’re trying to make custom stuff and it really isn’t cooperating?

wack

[cunning anvil]

hey

i just didnt wanna design a whole ass map

so i just mapped the 36 keys needed for miryoku and threw it on top

with tweaks

ez

now knob comes along and effs it up

[karmic atlas]

yo

which function keys on a keychron are the media player controls?

[amber tartan]

consult the manual

[robust hemlock]

Recommendations for a G305 replacement (My left click is dying)? Want something light, but not too much bigger than the G305. Preferably USB-C rechargeable and affordable. Thinking Model O- would be a decent option.

[muted karma]

would feel quite a lot smaller in the hand

since it is so much slimmer

[robust hemlock]

Is it though? Dimensions were close to the same. I may run back to Best Buy and check again but I remember it feeling right.

[muted karma]

absolutely is

the g305 has very convex sides

the model o- has concave ones

2d comparison doesn't show the whole truth

but that is a very significant difference

in reality will be more severe even

[robust hemlock]

I can double check that since there is a dispaly with most Glorious mice at my local Best Buy

I also like the sound of the Cooler Master MM712 as an option

[muted karma]

performance wise not super good

has like 2-4ms of motion delay which is quite bad

and 8.2ms click latency over an m2k

which is also pretty subpar

ah wait nvm

3.3

which is okay

[robust hemlock]

I am not FPS god so really okay is fine

I mean my V1 Keyboard altency isnt great either

but I am not "that" good so I can't tell

[muted karma]

yea keyboard nad click latency are one thing

motion delay is another

can quickly feel sluggish

overall not a horrible mouse though

if you can get it cheap

if you go to bestbuy

maybe look for the steelsereis aerox 3?

or rival 3, same shape

aerox 3 wireless tends to be pretty cheap

[robust hemlock]

I think I saw a RIval 3 for $45 the other day there

oh but I want rechareable...

What about Keychron M3? thoughts?

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aerox 3 wireless is rechargeable

I meant you can check the shape in store

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aerox 3 is $100... yeesh

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wtf

yea forget that then

they are 70€ here

not worth 100

keychron m3 is passable ig

lemme check what switches it uses first though

yea nvm

gm 8.0

on compx

so be prepared to swap those

how much is the xm2we for you

or the fantech aria

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fantech aria is like $75

whats wrong with the switches on the M3?

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they need better debouncing algorithms

to not doubleclick

a lot of companies will just tell you to up the debounce time to insanity to prevent that

but that is bs

proper way to do it is either using better firmware (expensive) or different switches

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essentially most of the decent sub 100 USD wireless mice use mcus and firmware from the same company so they all have the same performance and issues

only exceptions are bigger brands

which move so much stuff that making custom firmware is no issue at all