peripherals

[boreal rivet]

its all mid

just choose whichever sounds the best to you

[stone wind]

@urban panther The v1

[urban panther]

i'd get brown (tactile), personally

but if you want linear, get the reds

i'd advise against blues

[stone wind]

Thx all

[arctic shuttle]

I'd get the barebones kit and build it

[urban panther]

^

i'd also reocmmend that

but if you get the pre-assembled, at least its full hot swap so modding down the line is relatively simple

[arctic shuttle]

Ya but Keychron switches are pretty lack luster

Get some HG blacks

[glossy mica]

a lot of people hate hg blacks

Im not one of them but some people dont like scratch

[arctic shuttle]

They must embrace the scratch

[fast comet]

majik keebord

[chrome raft]

any update on astolfo keyboard

[cunning anvil]

Doug

[arctic shuttle]

There's an Astolfo keyboard?

[chrome raft]

Hello, I'm wondering, is there people's that still have an IBM model m, or equally old keyboards, that like got from their fathers or whatever ? That still uses it, it's to win a debate (please) if you have one, can you send a picture of it, so I can settle that even if a keyboard is from 1985, it's still good today

Also please ping me

[chrome raft]

no, just wondering if theres an update on one being made

[arctic shuttle]

Very very niche market, to my knowledge no

[chrome raft]

i want a $100 coiled wired astolfo themed keyboard

it would match my pink table

[arctic shuttle]

$100 means it would need to be mass produced. There aren't enough people looking for one to justify that

[chrome raft]

ill mass buy them

spares for when i rage

[arctic shuttle]

$100 turned into $100,000 real quick

[chrome raft]

yeah, meaning they'll make more of them

meaning i can buy more

it'll match nicely with my astolfo butt mouse pad

[arctic shuttle]

Just go custom

Cerekoting an extg. board is much cheaper

[chrome raft]

lemme look that up

what

i cant find the colors i want

[cunning anvil]

Doug is half done

[chrome raft]

try making a astolfo themed keyboard

[cunning anvil]

what would that even entail?

[pseudo owl]

[hybrid cradle]

I have a little issue i never thought was possible on a keyboard

I sometimes have input delay

Like second long input delay

[radiant lodge]

run a gb 😊

[muted karma]

is it bluetooth

[hybrid cradle]

It uses a reciever

It's a logitech keyboaes

*keyboard

[muted karma]

and you are sure you have it connected over the receiver and not over bluetooth?

[hybrid cradle]

yes

i have the feeling something might be interfereing with the connection between the reciever and the keyboard

[muted karma]

got anything that could introduce 2.4hz interference?

and how far is the dongle from the keyboard

[hybrid cradle]

Phone

[muted karma]

like not a router/ap right besides it or anything

[hybrid cradle]

No

[muted karma]

for their gaming stuff logitech recommends using the extension cord with the adapter

to get the dongle as close as possible to the board

[hybrid cradle]

ok

i have an extension cord

ill see if i have any more issues after today

[unkempt dome]

Is the dongle plugged in a USB 3.0 port ?

[mossy dragon]

do people really like small keyboards

[unkempt dome]

Define small ...

[pseudo owl]

I like 40% keyboards

They look nice

[mossy dragon]

60% is way too small

[unkempt dome]

65% is perfect for me

60% is usable but not optimal for me

[muted karma]

preference

[pseudo owl]

For real

Just use layers

Caps lock as layer shift 💪

[mossy dragon]

NO!

only full keyboards are valid

[muted karma]

ah yes

because everybody needs to do accounting at home

all the time

and requires a numpad on their desk at all times

[mossy dragon]

keyboards without numpads aren't real keyboards

also

[pseudo owl]

Bottom one 🤤

[arctic shuttle]

This board is hot, don't be rude

[chrome raft]

whats a gb

[chrome raft]

you dont need a numpad considering theres already numbers

[amber tartan]

group buys

[chrome raft]

i always prefer bottom, in keyboards of course

[amber tartan]

start CNCing

[chrome raft]

i honestly dont know much about keyboards

what is CNCing

[amber tartan]

starting googling

[chrome raft]

i did, but no sign of astolfo keyboard

just mouse pads

including a butt mouse pad on amazon

[amber tartan]

well youre sol

unless you wanna diy

[chrome raft]

i dont know how to diy

[amber tartan]

then youre sol

[chrome raft]

ill just get the tokyo world tour keyboard

akko

[amber tartan]

ok

[chrome raft]

if i ever start making keyboards, then im making a astolfo one

[amber tartan]

ok gl

[muted karma]

I mean they do for some people

[pseudo owl]

My dad needs his numberpad

He grew up with it

He also types in a lot of product names which have lots of numbers in them

[winged dagger]

I smashed my keyboard because someone beat my record in val

[amber tartan]

you need more than a keyboard

[pseudo owl]

Oh golly gee willikers

[arctic shuttle]

Imagine getting so angry at a video game that you smash your keyboard

[pseudo owl]

For real

[fading whale]

96 is great, its full size but doesent take up that much space

[arctic shuttle]

There really is no benefit to getting a 96 over a full size

You save what, less than an inch of space

[pseudo owl]

Yeah

[timid aurora]

keyboards that have the thing where when you press down like 40% on w in driving games you get 40% throttle are those types of keyboards generally expensive i thinking of buying a new keyboard but dont want to spend hundreds of pounds on it because i think that would be a waste of money

[arctic shuttle]

Those are analog keyboards

[timid aurora]

ah ok thanks

any reccomendations?

under £100 preferably under 50

[arctic shuttle]

Nope, cheapest you'd go is the Wooting two HE

And that's in preorder for $200

Analog gaming keyboard in general are kinda

Scarce

[timid aurora]

damn i guess instead of getting one of those ill just buy a controller for driving games

i still would need a new keyboard tho because mine is made by microsoft and is ancient

[pseudo owl]

Get a keychron v series

[vast monolith]

Newly built

[timid aurora]

all of the Get a keychron v series looks hella ugly

whats the point of the red keys they looks so out of place

[urban panther]

get the barebones?

[pseudo owl]

for real

[timid aurora]

what

all of the keychron v series look the same

[pseudo owl]

The barebones model?

The one without keycaps and switches

[timid aurora]

wont i have to buy keycaps and switches for that lol

[pseudo owl]

Yes lol

No they magically appear

[timid aurora]

any reccomendation on ones that are all black?

[amber tartan]

bow

[glossy sandal]

don’t you mean wob

[amber tartan]

yes

no

(yes)

[timid aurora]

what

[viscid tapir]

by a punching bag

and hang it by your pc

[viscid tapir]

prebuilt ones have a certain style yes

most people put other keycaps on them

[timid aurora]

eh

[zinc flower]

yo guys do you have keyboard recommendations

I want a mechanical keyboard that isn't loud

currently have an old dell office keyboard, which I've had for about a decade

[opaque shard]

Just clean it

[timid aurora]

what

[winged dagger]

get a razor keyboard

[pseudo owl]

lol no

razer

[winged dagger]

get over price keyboard with good sound

[pseudo owl]

I have never heard a good sounding razer keyboard

[calm geyser]

Keychron v series with silent switches and whatever keycaps you want.

[pseudo owl]

Or just a keychron v series

My dad owns one of their prebuilts

Pretty silent compared to most of my builds imo

[calm geyser]

While not a silent switch but instead relatively quiet, I’ve loved the Aqua King V2s on my Q5. On a V series it’ll just sound better/deeper.

[tall stump]

i have a redragon k630 for £40 thats not great stock but i spent £14 on akko cream yellow v3 and like £7 on lube and it sounds a lot better

[timid aurora]

what the hell is akko cream yellow v3 lol

[tall stump]

its a switch

the keyboard its self is hot swap so u can yank out the switch and put a new one in

[boreal rivet]

Silenced realforce

[tame arrow]

I can’t wait until I get my keyboard

[pseudo owl]

Same

What did you buy?

[tame arrow]

A Corsair one I think

[pseudo owl]

cool

[tame arrow]

This one

[pseudo owl]

Tharble

[sweet thunder]

[chilly perch]

mechanical gaming 😎

[chrome raft]

any updates on a astolfo themed keyboard

[glossy sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-cat-kitten-cute-gif-22443336

[chrome raft]

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-dancing-cat-dilemma-neco-arc-dilemma-cat-gif-26611930

[glossy sandal]

stickers are pretty nifty

[chrome raft]

is there a neco arc keyboard

or a felix argyle keyboard

[glossy sandal]

I hope not

[chrome raft]

i want one of either one of those 3

i love those 3 characters

or vergil

vergil themed keyboard would be cool

[glossy sandal]

wtf is vergil

like matrix??

[chrome raft]

https://tenor.com/view/dmc-vergil-what-gif-25752984

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-chair-dmc-yamato-gif-21401933

[glossy sandal]

oh

[fair ibex]

If you want to further silence whatever board you buy, I'd strongly recommend filling the case with some memory foam from a memory foam pillow!

[pseudo owl]

My dude you’re either gonna have to diy or you’re most likely never gonna come across a astolfo keyboard

[untold kraken]

I have a hot swappable keyboard from keycrhon my "d" key was not getting registered every time I pressed it, was noticing mostly while gaming, will swapping the key out and replacing it with a switch from a key which press much less frequenlty like page down fix the issue?

[pseudo owl]

Yeah

[tall stump]

neco arc solos

[acoustic kelp]

I know y'all mocked me for buying a full size keyboard, but I love my new Glorious GMMK full size keyboardddd. It's so CLACKY and so METAL. I can never use a plastic keyboard againnnn

[amber tartan]

ok

[pseudo owl]

ok

[cunning anvil]

clackathrock

[graceful finch]

Is mechanical keyboard better than normal keyboard?

[boreal rivet]

isn't the bottom plastic

[graceful finch]

Can anyone look into my question?

[chrome raft]

depends on what you want

keyboards are all preference really so if you know what you want it to feel/look/sound like it'll help narrow it down

[zinc flower]

guys I have to ask, what is your opinion on reDragon peripherals, they are something of a cheap budget brand but they do look good

Like they look legit, not just wish.com quality

[glossy mica]

They’re fine

[zinc flower]

I was looking at some keyboards and saw this one: DEVARAJAS K556

I've looked at the product page and saw that it has brown or red switches

which do you think are better, I think I would enjoy the brown swithces, but I haven't tried either

[median slate]

waiting patiently for the Keychron Q4 CARBON BLACK to come back into stock 😐😐😐😐😐😐😐

[boreal rivet]

Psaudio 💀

[zinc flower]

how is the Razer Ornata V2 keyboard has anyone tried

[tender rune]

g915 tkl clicky thoughts?

[timber bay]

Just bought these lets see if there good

[chrome raft]

any update on a neco arc, astolfo, felix argyle, or vergil keyboard being made?

[fathom terrace]

what would be a good midrange mechanical that has media controls, not too loud (doesnt have to be super quiet, just quiet enough not to be picked up by the mic as much) and is usable for a longer time? i dont care about side stuff like customizability, fancy turning controls, rgb or any of that stuff, just a bit of backlighting and quality.

that said, if the price stays the same i dont mind those additions but i dont wanna pay extra for an overpriced fashion statement.

planning to use it for gaming and typing, and the size doesnt matter much to me. can go without numpad.

if not a direct product recommendation, any hints as to what places youd research on keyboards, what price range to expect and what details to consider would be appreciated too. most stuff on youtube is about custom built, look and "sound", with what feels like a overgenerous pricetag for most.

for context, got a worn down microsoft sidewinder (fake mechanical) and after a few passes down and clean routines it changed a lot in sound and feel. wanting to buy something i can rely on for longer, maybe pass this one down to the next person without a budget

video recommendations are nice too

[acoustic kelp]

`i think maybe, but the rest isnt , including the keys

[pseudo owl]

You’re most likely gonna have to pay a designer to design one of those keyboards

It’s a niche hobby and themed boards rarely happen for the wide market

[knotty frigate]

I’m buying a Keychron v1 with kalith blueberry ice cream pro switches any key cap recommendations

[pseudo owl]

Tharblin

[knotty frigate]

Thanks

[boreal rivet]

Better components won’t fix a ass circuit tho

[chrome raft]

hey im trying to find a new keyboard

I would like one with 62 keys

I want to do various tasks with it

[arctic shuttle]

Nah what you want is the ID80 Crystal sponsored by HipyoTHOCC

[pseudo owl]

For real

[glass jolt]

so i have got into custom keebs recently. else, why am i here? anywho i have my full sized keyboard my Keychron k6 pro. and main main which is a split kyria. but with bouncing between multiple devices where i sometimes need a physical connection (nas server, home assistant server, 3d print server, etc) im finding i may want to build a more basic keyboard. I thought about a nuphy because i think they have a dongle for wireless? point being i need to be able to hit DEL when booting which BT cant usually do. looking for suggestions for somewhere around a 12x4+thumbs.
low pro is ideal. prefer choc but mx is ok. full custom kit is a plus too. cheaper and can build myself.
under $100 is possible since this is basically something i would only use occasionally. i may still get a cheap logitech keeb with dongle. idk yet

[radiant lodge]

i don’t think that’s how amps work

[boreal rivet]

So the dac chip, digital and amp stage circuits are completely different?

[radiant lodge]

burbrown dac chip inside iirc

[boreal rivet]

Ye 2702 or something

[radiant lodge]

still not too late to go r2r h

i haven’t heard the amp but i’m p sure it’s fully class a

[boreal rivet]

So what you’re saying is you got someone to stick a whole new dac amp into the existing chassis?

So what is it now

[radiant lodge]

[boreal rivet]

Put what

Like components?

[radiant lodge]

i assume they switched op amps

[boreal rivet]

Apparently the gain cell thingy is sealed

Probably cap and resistor swaps

Maybe a better pot

[radiant lodge]

i’m j over here looking to sell my stuff and go for bliss and spring 3 both kte

[boreal rivet]

Spend that money on some speakers tho

[radiant lodge]

small living room

got some buchardt a500 se

[boreal rivet]

Upgrade to genelec eggs

[radiant lodge]

with a metrum jade s r2r dac

[boreal rivet]

U missing out

[radiant lodge]

was gonna get genelec for my desk

[boreal rivet]

Good idea

Make sure to get the sub too

[radiant lodge]

the 8331s

no sub

might get a kef kc62 for living room

for room modes and stuff

[boreal rivet]

Sub is essential honestly

Especially with how much you’re spending anyway

[radiant lodge]

my buchardts has two back firing woofers

sub bass isn’t really that much of an issue

[boreal rivet]

Sub for the genelecs I mean

[radiant lodge]

i don’t wanna stick a sub in my room somewhere though

i could also j keep my devialet phantom 2s

they go to like 23hz or sum

[boreal rivet]

Try and demo an egg setup with subs first before deciding whether or not you can go without one

[radiant lodge]

the experience center in london is very unresponsive lmao

[boreal rivet]

Unlucky

[radiant lodge]

idk i wouldn’t blind buy audio stuff anyways

always need to hear em first

[final herald]

whats a good white fullsized (not compact) keyboard for 222AUD

[chrome raft]

Is this channel for like building ur own keyboards and dat or is this like general keyboard stuff?

Aight so Bacisly I’m in need of a 60~ usd gaming keyboard with rgb, any recommendations?

Also linear switches I believe they’re called

Ye linear

[glossy mesa]

Yall
I need a cheapass keyboard, like $35 of less levels of cheapass

[amber tartan]

get a cheap membrane

gets the job done

[glossy mesa]

Nothing special, like a single membrane thingy that everyone recommends?

[amber tartan]

if thats what you want sure

id say logitech sells the best quality ones

but whatever works ig

[glossy sandal]

K120

or like the dell one

[gritty mauve]

Where can I buy Keyboard parts? I have no idea where to start but I know exactly what I want in my head lol

[pseudo owl]

This is a keyboard channel

[gritty mauve]

I meant keybored

[pseudo owl]

Are you looking for keyboard parts

ah

[gritty mauve]

misstime

[pseudo owl]

Ok

[gritty mauve]

misstype

[pseudo owl]

what do you have in mind

Budget, size, color, ect

[gritty mauve]

like a 60% brown/mocha and around $250-$300

[pseudo owl]

ooh nice budget

you can get good stuff

[gritty mauve]

well the lower the better lol

[pseudo owl]

lol yeah

Like a brown case?

[gritty mauve]

im doing a full PC upgrade after 5 years of rocking my current settup

Yea

[pseudo owl]

aightr

aight

man I'm blankin out on cases that are 60% and brown

[gritty mauve]

I dont even know what sites to look on

[pseudo owl]

Idk either for that ]

Sorry I gtg

[gritty mauve]

all g

[restive ridge]

Kbdfans is a good place to start, make sure its in stock not gb

A reasonably priced high-end Board would be geonworks frog mini

https://geon.works/products/frog-mini?variant=43150010024099

You will still need switches, caps, and stabilizers and pcb

Tx makes great stabs

[gritty mauve]

thank you

[muted karma]

not a lof of places anodize brown so that would be tough to find

if you want a really light shade of brown ig 7075 alu with clean ano could work ig?

you obv always have the option to cerakote

https://www.cerakote.com/shop/cerakote-coating?color=cera_brown&finishes=cera_h_series

got a few options there that would be somewhat easy to get

[solemn ermine]

67g lubed and filmed tangies

[muted karma]

clean your keycaps ffs

[fathom terrace]

What are some underrated keyboards or brands with great value for money?

Doesnt have to have rgb or gimmicks, just backlight and not too loud

Media controls would be nice too

[muted karma]

keychron v series or k pro series

was thinking about recommending leopold

but would make no sense to buy one of them when a v series is cheaper

https://www.keychron.com/collections/keychron-v-series-keyboard/products/keychron-v3-qmk-custom-mechanical-keyboard

stupid good value

[rain wren]

Is the G915 overprized?

[muted karma]

yes

[muted karma]

they are not wireless

there aren't any low input delay keyboards that I would recommend

• kinda pointless, you need to recharge it anyways

and you don't move it around much

[fathom terrace]

Didnt know 100€+ was good value, maybe im just out of touch with pricing

[muted karma]

it's not 100€+ though

[fathom terrace]

Tbf most pc parts are at that level but im just used to 50€ keyboards

[muted karma]

yea and those 50€ keyboards prob have very shitty software at best

no reflashable firmware

no hotswap sockets

maybe if you are lucky actual support and not just amazon whatever

[tame arrow]

New keyboard

[vocal pike]

Small question if my keyboards backlight works, but if writing doesnt, what could of happend?

[amber tartan]

your switches are dead

or your pcb is also dead

if it doesnt function as a keyboard its broken

[vocal pike]

Its membrane

[amber tartan]

then your pcb is dead

[vocal pike]

Wierd because the only thing i did was wash this plastic thingy

But it was dry when i put it in

[vocal pike]

But then how backlight is working?

[boreal rivet]

you didn't reassemble it properly

its really hard to break a membrane keyboard when cleaning it

[vocal pike]

Ok ima try to reassemble again

[fathom terrace]

im more talking about 10 years ago or so. didnt expect inflation to take off that hard.

but tbf, my family tends to have a very low bar for "wasted money". they were suprised i recently paid 2k for my pc and display setup even though thats prolly still on the low end

when it comes to building a mid tier gaming pc

what is your guys experience with offbrand key switches? i hear everyone praising cherries but i doubt they can be that unbeatable... can they?

[muted karma]

eh

depends on use case

for most people cherries won't be the best option

if you are ready to mod your switches they can be though

[fathom terrace]

do you mean most active pc users or normie office workers included

[muted karma]

yes

[fathom terrace]

._.

[muted karma]

like the people that cherry switches are good for is custom keyboard enthusiasts

and not really anyone else

[pseudo owl]

Yeah unless you wanna break in and everything

[muted karma]

nah

[fathom terrace]

what makes them different for modding? isnt it all about feel and maybe sound?

[pseudo owl]

Well that helps ig

[muted karma]

you still basically need to springswap and lube them

for them to be good

[pseudo owl]

Yeah

[muted karma]

mainly sound

no other switch really matches them in that regard

[pseudo owl]

Yeah

[muted karma]

so if you want that specific sound signature there is no other way

there are other good options though

gateron milkies for example

[fathom terrace]

ah, i never really understood the focus on sound bc in most cases the keyboard is a tool for me, not the main event. but ive been using a "membrane mechanical" keyboard for almost all my life, and before that mostly cheap office ones and flat laptop ones

[muted karma]

if you just want a switch that is good ootb gateron pros are prob hard to beat rn

[muted karma]

which is fine, just means that it is prob not for you

[fathom terrace]

maybe i have yet to break my keyboard virginity and learn the wonders of a good keyboard both in feel and sound

[muted karma]

I can tell you it is cheaper to not get into custom keyboards

[fathom terrace]

i know that even though i overspent on my screen i love how both colorful and bright it is, which i couldnt imagine without experienceing

[fathom terrace]

yeah thats why i asked here in the first place

[muted karma]

like I am easily in the thousands for keyboards by now

[fathom terrace]

but arent cherries a standard in high end prebuilts as well?

[muted karma]

not anymore really

only company that still uses them a lot is corsair

[fathom terrace]

(the non customizable ones are called prebuilts right)

[muted karma]

I mean they can be customizable

but they are intended to be left as is for most people

the keychrons are in a weird situation

since they are prebuilts

but you can also buy them barebone

[fathom terrace]

a lot of keyboard stuff online seems like its more of a fashion movement, form over function. really fucking awesome looking keyboards with 10 times the prices id actually pay

plus, some look so fucking small, i cant imagine them being good for gaming

[smoky comet]

Overhyped moneypit elitist “enthusiasts”

[muted karma]

eh it's not reaaaaly form over function

I mean it is the same with custom PCs

there are some people that really want a specific look

but that doesn't mean that you necessrily need to drop off all other parts of your build

for me personally I look for sound and feel first

[fathom terrace]

yeah thats why im asking about the term, its kinda unclear to me. i just heard keyboard hipsters call the plebians budget choice "prebuilts". phrases like "its good but sadly a prebuild" or "it has good aspects for a prebuild"

[smoky comet]

Its just terminally online losers jerking off over keyboard thoCc sound and thinking they are some sort of engineers because they can take a switch apart

[muted karma]

don't think anyone would say "it is good but sadly a prebuilt"

unless they are shitheads

[fathom terrace]

tbf i was a bit exaggerating for effect. but yeah i unstand what you mean

[muted karma]

like comparison would be peopel being angry that idk

[fathom terrace]

i just dont want to overspend on stuff that i could rather use for car payments or stuff. but i wanna live as well

[muted karma]

hp started to sell prebuilts for 700 dollars with 4080s in them

[fathom terrace]

honestly a keyboard having actual "software" seems so fucking foreign to me

[muted karma]

eh

I mean essentialyl most custom keyboards just reflash their firmware

or nowadays have a tool that allows firmware to change a keymap

nothing suuuuper complicated

but also most keyboards with software don't do more

[fathom terrace]

i know of pc software that interacts with specific keyboards, but having to update a "tools" firmware is so odd to me. but i guess its a natural progression

[smoky comet]

wrong

[muted karma]

yea a major exception

would be wooting boards

they do a lot with their firmware

[fathom terrace]

i tend to shy away from features that look like they are gimmicks to inflate price, like rgb a while ago, or almost every new(?) phone feature that comes out

[muted karma]

meh, the firmware used is usually open source

runs on cheap mcus as well

[fathom terrace]

i just recently found out that rgb isnt that bad in upcharge as it was once

[muted karma]

like an rp2040

[fathom terrace]

i mean if the software is too complicated its also more prone to bugs and more hassles when upgrading due to bigger size id imagine. simple but effective is best

[muted karma]

yep

qmk and via/vial (which run on qmk) are all pretty simple

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=120373.0

this will be lit

[fathom terrace]

ill look more into this series of keyboards you recommended. i also love to try out underdogs if they arent too much gamble on a gimmick.
if you got more recommendations as to where to learn more about whats the right one for me id love to hear it

most keyboard yt is about the custom fashion keyboards

[muted karma]

actually good question

dunno where I would point someone for budget boards

imo people like hipyotech which focus on budget boards always way overmod them

so you don't get the characteristics of a board anymore

[fathom terrace]

damn that looks like a keyboard that doesnt wear down at all. i love it (prolly still overpriced)

[muted karma]

price is actually stupid low for what it is

[fathom terrace]

metal is great but imo it looks worse IF it wears down compared to plastic

[fathom terrace]

hm fair

[muted karma]

why would the case wear though

[fathom terrace]

i ask myself that as well. but i am really clumsy by nature so shit wears down faster while in my hands.

i just had to learn to be more careful and expect it more

[fathom terrace]

fair, the pimp my ride kinda philosophy. its not the same in the end if you mod everything

[muted karma]

some don't even give them a chance

or try it, identify a problem

and then go all the way

instead of just trying to get rid of the one problem

[fathom terrace]

when does this come out? and would you recommend for buying it?

as a main stay keyboard

[muted karma]

it will run next month actually

with a 2 month leadup time

waiting on stuff is sadly still common ofr custom keyboards

[fathom terrace]

hm

[muted karma]

idk for a person that just wants a keyboard

I would prob recommend to just go with a keychron

[fathom terrace]

fair

what switch color?

planning to game with it. have no recallable experience with the different types

or should i spend extra for those overpriced test boards

[muted karma]

reds are prob the safest bet

I mean if you want you can go to a local electronics retailer

and look if you like linears

or if you would prefer tactiles etc

[fathom terrace]

good point, i should probably do that

ok wtf do those percentages mean

[muted karma]

sizes

[fathom terrace]

ah

[glossy sandal]

those are the amount of keys

[fathom terrace]

why did you recommend me the v series in particular btw

just the price/value?

[muted karma]

yea

good featureset

rather inexpensive

k pro also is good though

[fathom terrace]

fair, never cared much about numpad. who tf under 80 uses that anyways

[gloomy patrol]

real

[glossy sandal]

using a 80%

[fathom terrace]

i assume these are standardised values

as opposed to just branding labels

[glossy sandal]

Ye

it’s proportional to a full-size keyboard

[muted karma]

to be fair

[glossy sandal]

a full-size has 110~ keys so a 75% has around 84

[muted karma]

they are somewhat arbitrary

[muted karma]

full size is 106-107 keys

"80%" aka TKL has 87-88

[fathom terrace]

ok that looks horrible but at the same time im intrigued

[glossy sandal]

Full-size is either 104 or 110

I forget

[fathom terrace]

crooked ass

[muted karma]

wait was it 104

[glossy sandal]

think so

[gloomy patrol]

@glossy sandal he j like you fr

[muted karma]

idk I never bothered with fullsize

[glossy sandal]

I like Alice layout

[muted karma]

it's odd

[gloomy patrol]

theres only one full sized and one alice keeb i want

[muted karma]

I liked it back when I had my sesame

but I don't like it now that I have a weird owllabs spring clone

[glossy sandal]

Fossil was cool

[muted karma]

which ones lol

[glossy sandal]

But I also want a rf

[muted karma]

boomerang is nice

[glossy sandal]

Is that a boomerang

LMAO

[gloomy patrol]

rf hello kitty full sized and dolice

[muted karma]

dino > fossil

ngl

[fathom terrace]

compact keyboards make me develop claustrophobia, especcially if they make the enter button small. i wanna feel like im launching a nuke goddamnit

[glossy sandal]

Dino weight meh

Fossil looked cooler

[muted karma]

dolice 💀

would rather have a real alice

[muted karma]

ig

[gloomy patrol]

you think i got that kinda money-

[glossy sandal]

Dolice bottom is cool as hell

[muted karma]

do you have the money for a dolice

[gloomy patrol]

man id buy one if i could

[muted karma]

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=120482.0

[glossy sandal]

hmm

[fathom terrace]

anyone got some good takes on the layout

[gloomy patrol]

if i stop buying keeb shit this year yeah

[fathom terrace]

the alice one in general, not just this kb

[glossy sandal]

why is it frl

💀

[gloomy patrol]

i saw this shit

[muted karma]

it's pretty subjective

[fathom terrace]

yeah i know

[gloomy patrol]

i respect it

they commited

[fathom terrace]

thats why im not asking chatgpt

[muted karma]

I mean it seems decently well designed

[gloomy patrol]

they didnt half ass it

[fathom terrace]

although maybe i should try asking chatgpt for keyboard recommendations

could be funny

[muted karma]

yea but there really is no better take to tell you besides you have to try it out to know

[glossy sandal]

don’t do dat

[gloomy patrol]

thats not gon get you v far

[glossy sandal]

Alice messes me up

[fathom terrace]

feels like the kind of stuff that might be better if you learn to use it but it will be worse for everyone else that didnt

[glossy sandal]

It also highlights all my typing mishabits

[gloomy patrol]

the gaps in keys for alice fucks me up

[muted karma]

I mean it helped me with touch typing

[gloomy patrol]

the look isnt for me

[glossy sandal]

it gets me really good at using on side of the kb because you can’t use the other

[gloomy patrol]

which alice did you even have?

no cheap ones interest me rn

[muted karma]

sesame

• a cheap aspring clone

off of aliex

[glossy sandal]

Borrowed a Q8 for a weekend

[muted karma]

[glossy sandal]

Q series meh

wish I got to borrow a q10

cooler layout

[muted karma]

glad I know which layout I like

TKL all the way

[gloomy patrol]

tkl is a classic

[glossy sandal]

what’s on your desk

[gloomy patrol]

mainly j into tkls and 60s

[arctic shuttle]

TKL is fire

[muted karma]

atm F2-84

[glossy sandal]

No F1?

[muted karma]

I mean I have one

[glossy sandal]

[muted karma]

I rotate quite often

F1 >>>>> F2 tho

[glossy sandal]

using g80 right now

[muted karma]

F2 plate too bad

[arctic shuttle]

Get a custom

[muted karma]

which

[glossy sandal]

1800

[muted karma]

ah

[arctic shuttle]

Proof?

[muted karma]

buy brutal 1800 v2

[glossy sandal]

the layout isn’t for me

[fathom terrace]

@muted karma would you be fine switching and staying on normal if they keyboard stays the same in everything else. or would it be hard to get used to it again

[gloomy patrol]

when size.l

[muted karma]

for me it was pretty fluent

[fathom terrace]

like, how steep is the difference

[muted karma]

used one as a work board

and a regular one at home

was no problem for me

[gloomy patrol]

size.l guy j linked me the platefiles

[glossy sandal]

when I feel like paying 100$ shipping

[muted karma]

but that is just my personal experience

[gloomy patrol]

wait wtf its that much?

[muted karma]

plate files of a g80?

[gloomy patrol]

isnt that what they sell for

[glossy sandal]

h paid that much

[fathom terrace]

oh, nother question. knobs, worth or overrated gimmick

[glossy sandal]

it’ll probably be cheaper to me

[gloomy patrol]

size.l plate files

[muted karma]

a

[gloomy patrol]

random top mount keeb that goes dirt cheap aftermarket

[glossy sandal]

bro said random like s80/s65 isn’t hyped rn

[gloomy patrol]

canada moment

[muted karma]

ne orion

[gloomy patrol]

it is?

wtf

im that outta the keeb space

[glossy sandal]

the screen you dunce

[muted karma]

how much does it go for aftermarket

[glossy sandal]

150$~

[gloomy patrol]

i saw some hype here and there but nothing major

[muted karma]

oh that is dirt cheap

[gloomy patrol]

i didnt know it was still hyped

i want another hhkb

[glossy sandal]

buy heavy grail

[muted karma]

don't

[gloomy patrol]

poor

stock hhkb good

[muted karma]

norb doesn't deserve money

[gloomy patrol]

all i need

[glossy sandal]

but heavy-6 so pretty

[muted karma]

what about snipe

lol

[glossy sandal]

norbowow

[gloomy patrol]

i was considering a snipe

might grab one at some point

[muted karma]

or uhhh

that weird m0110 off of china

[gloomy patrol]

sho has some nice stuff

[muted karma]

which is mx only

[glossy sandal]

Keebox M0110

[muted karma]

yea that one

[gloomy patrol]

lip on that is pretty

[glossy sandal]

I bet if you cut it enough you can fit a topre internal

[gloomy patrol]

the sb gap-

class60 ec mighta been more interesting if they didnt use niz parts

[fathom terrace]

i assume i wont gain more bang for my money by buying keyboard and keys seperately

its probably always more expensive

[glossy sandal]

not really

yeah it’s more expensive

[gloomy patrol]

mhm

[muted karma]

it's also quite expensive

at that point just wait for topre parts for the frog mini to come around

[fathom terrace]

:( not to mention prolly pretty annoying to find good keys

[gloomy patrol]

theres someone working on that?

cip?

[muted karma]

not with keychron v series

[muted karma]

yea I think cip even has protos of it

[fathom terrace]

yeah thats why im asking, they offer barebones versions asw

[muted karma]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CustomKeyboards/comments/10uj95m/frog_mini_with_domes/

[gloomy patrol]

scrolling through his server

[fathom terrace]

cause imo the buttons are boring and a bit ugly, but i dont want to spend 50 bucks more for china quality buttons that feel horrible

[gloomy patrol]

i need to keep up with that

[muted karma]

ah

it's just an EC60

makes sense

and a custom plate

https://github.com/Cipulot/EC60

this + a custom plate

[fathom terrace]

whats "custom" about it? looks pretty stock to me

[muted karma]

which should be easy to do

[fathom terrace]

oooh the hardware?

[gloomy patrol]

also a bowl project ec coming up but thats probably gon ruin my wallet

[muted karma]

I mean that is what makes that specific board extra special

https://geon.works/products/frog-mini

[fathom terrace]

i just thought customs are mostly just keys and switches

[muted karma]

nope

I still need a forg mini

but in winkey 💀

for wooting

[fathom terrace]

and an overpriced led screen that is worse than a nintendo ds

[gloomy patrol]

gamer shit

[muted karma]

it's decent if you use a differnt plate

[gloomy patrol]

we love

[fathom terrace]

still waiting for the cute frog themed keys smh

[gloomy patrol]

any frog build is gon be baller

[muted karma]

didn't like my frog TKL

and F2 is mid at best imo

hated it with a plate

have it plateless with gat yellows

[fathom terrace]

with keychron, do i need to pick out specifically compatible custom keys or is it standardized?

[muted karma]

which make it above average ig

[fathom terrace]

if i were to go with barebones

[muted karma]

no they are standard size

[fathom terrace]

poggie

[muted karma]

if you want I can double check if a set is compatible if you find one you like

[gloomy patrol]

f2 pretty but the sound and feel is iffy at best

[muted karma]

but honestly going with it fully built is the best value

[gloomy patrol]

what build did you have on the frog tkl

[muted karma]

alu flex plate and tried around a bit

ended up on spstar melons with a different nylon top

[fathom terrace]

thx, i might take you up on that ~

[gloomy patrol]

the leaf spring plate?

[muted karma]

which still didn't sound that nice to me

[muted karma]

yea the default one

it might just be bad

[gloomy patrol]

most ppl ik with frogs did not like that plate at all

[muted karma]

in hindsight should have gone with PC or something

[gloomy patrol]

did you sell it alr?

[muted karma]

sold that board now though

got a bias instead

which I absolutely love

[gloomy patrol]

hella ppl j told me to get a diff plate if i buy a frog

i rlly wanted a bias at some point

[muted karma]

yea also the galatea pcb is garbage

[gloomy patrol]

cancelation slot was open but i didnt have the money at the time

[muted karma]

rip

got mine aftermarket

[gloomy patrol]

how much?

[muted karma]

for good money

[gloomy patrol]

hopefully you didnt have to overpay

[muted karma]

nah I got it for under retail

would have to check

[gloomy patrol]

good shit

[muted karma]

I think 450?

[gloomy patrol]

wait what

thats rlly good for a bias

good find

[glossy sandal]

didn’t bleach sell his for like 800$

what

[gloomy patrol]

i remember a lot of them selling like that

450 is way way under retail

[muted karma]

yea I don't think any of the biases are flawless though

they should all have that scratch above f-row

[gloomy patrol]

now we have the whole refinishing thing going on

[fathom terrace]

should i care about "anti ghosting", or is that just a non mechanical keyboard thing

[glossy sandal]

V series should work as intended

[muted karma]

only the cheapest shit of cheapest shit mechanical boards have a problem with that

[fathom terrace]

asking out of curiosity, i heard that some cheap ass keyboards try to redeem themselves with that label

but i dont know if its valuable if used right

but ok ill ignore it for now

the keychron k series is pretty cheap as well, any reason not to choose them?

if not cheaper

[muted karma]

uses keychrons own software

instead of qmk

that's about it

[fathom terrace]

so if i were about to get the Keychron K8 over the V3, i would have optional bluetooth support and a cheaper price for little to no difference?

@muted karma

[muted karma]

build quality on k-boards is a bit worse

also dunno if I would recommend bluetooth on input devices

it likes to have massive delay

[fathom terrace]

you can use them as wired, and according to keychron themselves it has the same latency wired than the v3

that is 1000hz

https://www.keychron.com/blogs/news/difference-among-keychron-keyboards

as opposed to 90hz wireless

[urban panther]

its fine for general purpose use; but I wouldn't use bluetooth for gaming (especially FPS/competitive)

if its like civ.....bluetooth is fine lol

[muted karma]

"1000hz" is not latency

that's just an interval

[fathom terrace]

i guess they are intentionally hiding it for marketing

[urban panther]

bluetooth polling is typically lower than wired/RF polling

although 90Hz feels a little low

[fathom terrace]

wireless wont be my primary use

but if its literally an extra feature with no drawback its not bad if its not that high

[urban panther]

Its a convenient feature to have

even if used once in a blue(tooth) moon

[fathom terrace]

im still looking for the catch in k8 vs v3, especially when compared to the k8 pro

the only thing i can think of is the design maybe

[urban panther]

isn't K8 Pro QMK/VIA enabled?

whereas the non-pro isn't?

[fathom terrace]

yea, but the v3 is asw

[urban panther]

i haven't looked at their K series in quite a while so I could be wrong

hm

does k8 pro have an aluminum chassis option?

[fathom terrace]

pronin says build quality on k series is worse

[muted karma]

yes

[urban panther]

I'd personally get the pro over v3

[muted karma]

but so does the reg k8

[urban panther]

but I'd get a Q/V series before either

[fathom terrace]

doesnt give me any options on their store

[muted karma]

[fathom terrace]

the k8 base has it tho

[muted karma]

not listed on it yet then

cause ik it is a thing

[fathom terrace]

maybe k8 parts just fit onto the pro asw

[urban panther]

does k8 non-pro support QMK? i don't see it saying that on the product page

[muted karma]

nope

only q, v and k pro series do

[urban panther]

So K8 Pro gets QMK/VIA and pbt keycaps

[fathom terrace]

so basically what i gathered

k8 < v3 < k8 pro

[urban panther]

seems like it

[fathom terrace]

@muted karma sorry for pinging you again but i just want to make sure that theres no good reason not to buy the pro over the v3 if the price is better

since you recommended them

[muted karma]

different style of case basically

[fathom terrace]

wait how

[muted karma]

price difference is not that big

[fathom terrace]

its a box

[muted karma]

k8 pro isn't

it's like box with an inset

[fathom terrace]

oooh i see

does that actually change the typing experience?

or just visual

[muted karma]

not really ig

[fathom terrace]

yeah like 10€ less, fair

and a lot more features, i think ill go with the k8 pro. worst thing ill lose is the rgb

[urban panther]

tbh i'd rather more boards ship with basic white LED backlight

i don't care for the rgb on south facing pcbs

[fathom terrace]

true

that said, if the only difference in price is like 5€ i see no harm. plus, in some cases its even cheaper to buy the rgb version. got my g502 mouse for cheaper than i would if i wouldve gone with the core non rgb

thanks for all the help everyone <3

[fathom terrace]

they didnt have aluminum on stock, but it was an option. dunno why the option picker didnt load before for me at first

and yes, despite shitting on rgb i bought the rgb version anyways, bc 10 bucks more is no biggie

[urban panther]

i'd be RGB varients are produced in greater quantities, and the actual manufacturing cost difference of solid color vs RGB these days is probably negligible?

[dawn swan]

11ms wired latency tested and 23ms wireless

"1000hz"

seems like a standard by keychron to have abysmal latency compared to even cheap gaming boards

1000hz with non shit debounce algorithm and firmware should be in the 1-3ms area average latency

only hope for it is to wipe out whatever garbage is on it and use QMK with eager debounce and 1000hz and set a high scanrate with forced NKRO

looks like that one ordered is qmk compatible atleast not sure what weird defaults they ship with

still bluetooth latency is unfixable for wireless since they apparently are allergic to just using a 2.4g dongle like any other brand over bluetooth dogshit

[fathom terrace]

yeah looked it up rn and apparently heychron doesnt have the best track record on latency. which i hope will not be as much of a problem ingame

i will mostly use it wired

if not only

ill try to not read into it too much as to not fall into buyers remorse. but i will try comparing my microsoft sidewinder x4 to it once it arrives

[dawn swan]

it can probably be reduced to 5ms after solving the debounce issue but thats just an estimation but atleast you bought the QMK version so that you can adjust the firmware

https://docs.qmk.fm/#/feature_debounce_type

the eager debounce sends keypresses immediately without waiting 5ms or so

probably more prone to chatter but whatever

[smoky comet]

will be a problem in game

becuase you got an overhyped "cuSTOm" keyboard for gaming

some 50 dollar ratshit corsair or razor will blow it out of the water in gaming

[dawn swan]

https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2021-05-08-keyboard-input-latency-qmk-kinesis/#qmk-input-latency

only problem i see with QMK currently though is they still have input chord splitting but it only matters for rythm games with multiple simultaneous keypresses

but yeah there are some 50 dollar gaming keyboards that have better firmware in terms of having low latency and high scanrate with forced NKRO already with no tweaking

at the expense of having cheaper keycaps and stabilizers mostly but ive seen complaints about keychron having not the best build quality in the world

only brand i fully avoid is corsair from how shit their stuff is

have not had one good corsair peripheral

corsair has good latency and rgb but their build quality sucks

macro software is decent in features except for how bloated it has become

[pseudo owl]

😂 feels miles better tho

[fathom terrace]

I hope i wont regret it too much

[fathom terrace]

If you guys have better ideas feel free to give em. I might refund it

Obv. Not too late

[glossy sandal]

they’ve argued this point a couple times

when the latency is negligible in game

just buy whatever you were going to

[fathom terrace]

Ok fair

Gotta work tomorrow, wanna be able to sleep now XD

[pseudo owl]

Yeah

[chrome raft]

hi whats a good budget wired mechanical keyboard with cherrymx red switches tkl size? budget is like $30 or $40

[kind night]

What are the quietest tactile switches in all of existence without lubing?

[echo holly]

Just overlube a u4

ig

[low herald]

i got a Redragon keyboard and its pretty nice

[glossy sandal]

[low herald]

is the brand a good one?

[glossy sandal]

not really but if you like the board that's all that matters

[low herald]

lol

im not the only one who likes it

i want the logitechG915

[glossy sandal]

buy it

[low herald]

is it good?

[kind night]

lol

[low herald]

???

[lean karma]

Here is my hyper x alloy fps (mx blues) with cool white leds (diy) just didnt like the red glow so yee

And yes the leds look alot more blue on camera then they do in person

[chrome raft]

any update on astolfo keyboard

[amber tartan]

finally got the solder sucker and solder wire

its so back

[vocal pike]

Is the membrane supposed to be so bumpy?

[fading whale]

Yeah that's how membrane works

[boreal rivet]

no?

that plastic sheet is supposed to sit flat

[sturdy hatch]

I can here the clicks from here 😭

[sturdy badger]

Hello, I've got a Cooler Master SK622 keyboard with Cherry MX Red (low profile) switches. A couple keys don't register unless I put some effort into making sure they are fully depressed. Is there a way to maybe clean the switches? or am I better off just finding the low profile switches to replace them? I haven't done any of the custom keyboard stuff, so not sure exactly where to get low profile switches, which I understand I cannot use regular switches on this keyboard, as the pins are different.

[hot mica]

What keyboard do you guys recommend for around 75 usd? preferably it'd be one I could go to a store and get aswell.

[smoky comet]

hyperx alloy origins

[fathom terrace]

how noticeable is latency ingame?

got a keychron, and it has around 11ms latency afaik. a lot of gaming keyboards have a latency around 1-5 so i wonder how well itll work

im using a microsoft sidewinder membrane "mechanical" so i have no clue if my previous experience is better or worse than that

[fathom terrace]

i might try to refund it if i can find a better keyboard, at least in terms of input delay

heard akko has good ones but theres very little to no info on input delay, just the usual stuff

[pseudo owl]

not that much iirc

from what ive heard

[pseudo owl]

should be a big upgrade from the membrane then

[fathom terrace]

feel wise sure

from what ive heard, past 10ms delay, you can feel the difference in game noticeably

i have found some wired keyboards like the Roccat Vulcan 121 AIMO for 50€, and the Corsair K100 RGB for 100€ on ebay marketplace.

[fathom terrace]

or would you say that membrane cant have lower input delay than mechanical?

there are no clear stats on it besides vague terminology and second hand claims of 3ms, so i cant say myself

[pseudo owl]

I would say that it's likely that the keychron will be an upgrade because microsoft most likely didn't have latency as their main point when making it

[fathom terrace]

well their entire gimmick was being "gamer"

and they brag about their FUUUTURISTIC anti ghosting tech

that apparently also minimizes latency

if push comes to shove i still think the corsair for 100 is a great deal and ill use the keychron as my second keyboard. or give it to my brother to convert him over from a flat key membrane plebian

[lean karma]

CLICK CLICK CLICK cant wait to get 40 in a office xD

[pseudo owl]

Honestly in any product I look at I don't give a shit about the product page itself other than the pics and the spec list

That way I don't look at all of their claims just the "Hey this is how it preforms actually"

[clear coyote]

can anyone recommend any good 75-85% gaming keyboards under$120

[wet belfry]

What's up my nerds!

I "recently" saw a mechanical keyboard in a typewriter style with big knobs(hehe) and it seemed somewhat high quality

Anything I seem to Google right now seems to give me cheap garbage

By typewriter keyboard I mean, circular keys

Nevermind, https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/stoga-typewriter-gaming-keyboard-with-rgb-backlight-knobs-87-key-brown-switch-media-control-retro-round-keycaps-black/16309052?cmp=seo-16309052

I think this is it

[amber tartan]

its usually cheap garbage because it is cheap garbage

and also theyre horrible to type with

[wet belfry]

Yeah, I figure it's going to be garbage

I'm not too disappointed if it's shit though

[fathom terrace]

That's my main issue in the first place. As a rookie in keyboards i would've been better off whitch searching for "gamer" specifically bc it would showoff with its latency

As opposed to just sound and feel

[boreal rivet]

Are you a pro? Or lose fights often because your keyboard didn’t register fast enough?

If not then why do you care

It doesn’t matter to regular people

You’re almost guaranteed to be limited by your mechanical skill and game sense

There’s no point in buying a gaming keyboard with a negligible benefit in response time to gaslight yourself into thinking its worth the money when it isn’t

[fathom terrace]

I do play some competive games. And not to be rude but this point feels a bit like the "the eye can barely see past 60fps anyways" topic i had years ago, dont want to regret it just because someone else has lower standards than i do.

But i figured i just buy both anyways and gift one to my brother like i said. Would love to be proven wrong here

[boreal rivet]

Keyboard latency doesn’t even come close to being as important as panel refresh rate and response time but ok go ahead and waste your money

[glossy sandal]

Ping is latency :3

what’s up mx how you doin

[boreal rivet]

Observing keyboard drama these past few days

[glossy sandal]

in here?

or outside

[gloomy patrol]

theres drama?

[glossy sandal]

there’s always drama

[fathom terrace]

Which tech branch has the most drama?

This one?

[glossy sandal]

no

lol

[fathom terrace]

I thought bc its more showoffy

[glossy sandal]

nah most conversation here is just a q&a

[fluid igloo]

😱 1 ms

[fathom terrace]

Dw not blaming this server, i mean tech communities in general

[glossy sandal]

oh you mean tech overall

[fathom terrace]

Yea

[glossy sandal]

I don’t follow audio much but from what I’ve seen a lot of differing interests

[boreal rivet]

Outside

[fathom terrace]

Hm fair, audio has a lot of elitism

[boreal rivet]

If you aren’t aware then you won’t care anyways

[glossy sandal]

idk I stopped paying attention

I just buy used

[fathom terrace]

Too late, ive seen the truth (online)

[fathom terrace]

Recntly learned that used products can still be sold as new infinitely if not damaged or used too long

Since then im more accepting of used

[boreal rivet]

Wasn’t replying to you

[fathom terrace]

Hm

[glossy sandal]

If I don’t know you probably don’t know 🪂

[gloomy patrol]

keyboard drama is weird

just type tf

[boreal rivet]

First movers advantage can propel many idiots to relevance

[glossy sandal]

mx did the xerox thing arrive

[muted karma]

you prob want to rather look at a mouse with lower motion delay then a keyboard

if you wanna minmax keyboards there atm is not really a way around wooting with their rapid trigger

since all their competitors can't really match it

razer has limited range

the other options on the market have limited reset points

and steelseries still does not have that promised update

the 60he is (according to rtings) "only" 1ms behind the fastest board they tested (take that with a grain of salt, rtings is not known for extremely reliable testing results) but you can spam it MUCH quicker since the reset point of the switches is variable

board is ok overall, if you just want a keyboard though you can get better value

and performance that 99% of gamers couldn't differentiate anyways

[amber tartan]

rukia moment

[fierce walrus]

1000hz polling not enough ? Most qmk enabled keebs are 1000hz

[muted karma]

there is more to input speed than just polling rate

as an example

most of the mice in that list are 1khz

[fierce walrus]

Those are mice yo

Some of them are even wireless

I guess i strictly assumed wired keyboards

I mean yea but as long as you dont buy the cheapest keyboard on the planet there aint much of a diff

[muted karma]

first of all all of them in that test run wired + all of them are faster than the 8khz evga mouse

and that is just click delay

so the same thing applies to a keyboard

[fierce walrus]

So the click is processed slower than the polling rate.

[muted karma]

yes

you have debounce algorythms etc