peripherals

[glossy sandal]

Thin foam = lower pitched

oversimplifying but whatever

[glossy sleet]

To clarify, high pitch = hurts your ear.

[magic wolf]

how does that make sense, there is foam there wasnt there before, there is less space, less air, more resistance.

it should muffle.

not POP

[glossy sandal]

pop is the bottomout being softened by the foam

it’s being muffled by the foam yes that’s why it’s a pop and not a standard bottomout

[glossy sleet]

gastrail, this is about case foam, not the PE foam mod on the PCB

[glossy sandal]

I’m aware

[glossy sleet]

Cool.

[magic wolf]

I should

have stuck with guitar as a kid

[glossy sandal]

best thing to do is experiment

[magic wolf]

yes. I have caught the custom keyboard bug.

[glossy sandal]

foam affects different cases differently, most you’re getting from people who haven’t tried it themselves are generalized results

[magic wolf]

I see.

[glossy sleet]

Yes. In my experience, all the cases with alu plate and shell were more pingy and hollow-sounding.
However, it is solved by adding mass to the board. brass weights, etc.
Also helped by the gasket mount design and the force break mod, which prevent vibration (and acoustic) energy transmission to the reverb chamber of a case.

[magic wolf]

gasket mount, yea. Like shock absorbers for a car at a much lower scale.

[glossy sandal]

point of gasket mount is to isolate sound ye

forcebreak works by eliminating vibrations between top and bottom case, doesn’t work on one part cases (like the bakeneko)

[magic wolf]

interesting

[glossy sleet]

Ah. TIL. Just mentioning it for metal cases in general.

[magic wolf]

well, putting a lot of faith in my switches then

[glossy sandal]

Haimu heartbeats are fire

[glossy sleet]

You haven't gone wrong.

[glossy sandal]

they won’t be stopped being produced anytime soon afaik

even if they were, haimu makes similar/equal switches that they sell on geon

Haimu HG switches, same mechanism for dampening (holes in bottom housing and flex cuts on stem?)

been a while since I’ve used silents, especially heartbeats

[magic wolf]

can you show me what a "stuffed" keycap should it come to that?

[glossy sleet]

You're spot-on, gastrail.

[glossy sandal]

you really don’t need to do that

[magic wolf]

as in, not adequately silent enough

ah, ok. Sorry. Just

[glossy sandal]

if you wanted another measure you could oring the keycaps, stuffing your keycaps is just overkill

[magic wolf]

Paid twice as much for a keyboard than I ever have before

oring

[glossy sleet]

Just sharing the Keychron V1 I'm daily driving RN

[magic wolf]

shit Ill just grab the membrane

[glossy sandal]

ah another thing for the bakeneko, what weight did you pick?

[glossy sleet]

Sure is cheaper and a foolproof way to get an input device.

[magic wolf]

silicone weight flash finish

[glossy sandal]

keyboards r overpriced

[glossy sandal]

ah heads up, the area around the blocker will feel stiff/higher pitched because the blocker isn’t floating

so the area around the blocker is a bit uneven compared to the rest of the board

[magic wolf]

I'd rather input myself lobotomized if I had to give up mechanical typing

[glossy sandal]

If you bought the zinc weight I would suggest putting polyfil in the case to reduce some of the ping in the case it creates

the weights on the bakeneko are honestly kinda both bad choices

[magic wolf]

ive made note of this, but also, not quite, fully comprehending

[glossy sandal]

the silicone weight mutes an inherently high pitched board

and the zinc weight makes ping and just sounds weird

[magic wolf]

thanks for dumbing it down

[glossy sandal]

should’ve made it no weight and made the blocker float

[magic wolf]

I kinda just bought it upon recommendation, I spent days navigating. Group buys and back-order listings.

I was about to buy a Drop Alt before I came here

[glossy sandal]

keyboards are dumb lowkey

overpriced HIDs

[magic wolf]

yeah well so is nicotine and you cant see them stopping any time soon

[glossy sandal]

Oh lmao you got recommendations from astro

[magic wolf]

oh no...

#peripherals cliques

haha get it

🥁 tiss

[glossy sandal]

@gloomy patrol

brother is schooling rn studiously !!!

[glossy sleet]

that is one needlessly expensive recommendation.

[magic wolf]

I specifically asked for aluminum

I knew what I was getting into

ive had plastic cases all my life

[glossy sleet]

Ahuh

[glossy sandal]

I don’t know which I prefer

my current favorite board is plastic

but the one before that one is aluminum

And I have another coming which is plastic

[magic wolf]

metal = pullin out the hefty boy at work with the thonk

metal = typey boi not sliding around cause 2 deskmats is tough enough to manage

heavy boi that doesnt need penny "mod" for how broke I am now its my most successful savings account

yes the bottom of my keyboard is full of pennies, sue me

[glossy sandal]

I mean I know a couple people who wish their aluminum keyboards had tungsten weight because they’re not heavy enough

or some other absurd method to make them more heavy

[magic wolf]

I saw a concrete base on youtube today...

I looked at that and thought, how far is too far, am I already too far?

[glossy sandal]

so glad I don’t get keyboard content on my yt

it’s all so weird

[magic wolf]

I mean, his keyboard is concrete, but...I got pennies in mine

[glossy sandal]

yikes

[magic wolf]

well, I diddnt start getting keeb content

till I watched like, 2 tutorials

[glossy sandal]

budget scene wild ‼️

[magic wolf]

now my home feed is flooded

with keeb content

[glossy sandal]

I’d honestly rather talk to people on forums than watch yt

a lot easier to get opinions that aren’t for content

[magic wolf]

true 👉

but

[glossy sandal]

haven’t seen a single bad opinion on a board from any of the big YouTubers

just praise and more praise for budget gasket mount board #7837392

[magic wolf]

its kinda hard to...considering

its all anecdotal

all subjective

[glossy sandal]

there’s a general consensus though

nobody in the majority will tell you to buy a gmmk pro in 2023

[magic wolf]

eh, on what can be objective sure, thats what I bother people here in this chat for.

[glossy sandal]

meme tired

😴

[magic wolf]

I have notes of objective tips 2 pages full in here

and thats cool. But im not gonna ask what keycaps make muh Razur thocc

[magic wolf]

I still dont have a full grasp on the "upper echelon 3lite" brands yet. Same kinda dichotomy in all hobbies.

seen enough of it to know price tag doesnt quite translate to upper position on the totem pole

[gloomy patrol]

Hola

Nah man

In animation rn

J watched someone dance with a lamp

[glossy sandal]

cool I’m going to class 🪂

[gloomy patrol]

You shud come to my class fr

My teacher is a G

Next to yugi rn

[glossy sandal]

say hi for me

[gloomy patrol]

Head to badminton

[glass jolt]

So replacing a bit of the foam with more solid rubber? I do have silicone... I could put the top plate into a tray, pour a thin layer of silicone, let it dry, then cut the plates out and all the keys so I have a thin layer of silicone sticking to the top plate. Then take out and spots as needed depending on soldering

Rather, replace with something more dense.

[glossy sleet]

Yes. Denser will quieten better.

[glass jolt]

This is the layers I have. Eventually I want an enclosed case. But I don't see many for sofle choc

I could replace both layers of foam doing that then. Will lighter switches help? These are choc red 50gf and will be getting pro reds 35gf in the mail next week

[glossy sleet]

Yep. This is quite thin. Either custom mold silicone or use a rubber sheet. Foam so thin isn't doing much.

[hushed sonnet]

Anyone kow any decent boards around the 60$ mark. My sister wants one so she can make a cinnamon roll themed keyboard. Preferably light blue

[hollow wagon]

Neoprene foam is what you want I think really. It's a dense rubber/foam

[solid aurora]

what keyboard to get?

[glossy sandal]

one that works

[glossy sandal]

like

cinnaroll?

I mean cinnamaroll

like Sanrio?

[simple flax]

Hi guys

Are all keycap o rings the same

If not what’s different

[unkempt dome]

they are not

thickness and hardness can vary and it will change the feeling and the sound

[magic wolf]

I put orings on all my small keys to try them out. Honestly, it ruins the feeling of typing on a mechnaical keyboard.

[unkempt dome]

and also the reduction in total travel

it doesn't if it's hard enough ... but then why put them cause the harder they are, the less they reduce the downstroke noise

[magic wolf]

in my case they diddnt actually make the keyboard any quieter

[magic wolf]

theres more than one case of irony here

[unkempt dome]

they usually are a big let down

the rosewill set I had are actually hard enough that the mushiness is barely noticeable ... stragely the kailh silent box brown are mushier than the oring set I have

[magic wolf]

lol browns

the memes

[unkempt dome]

it's kailh silent box brown ... those are quite a nice tactile

nothing compared to cherry mx brown

it's not cause it's called something brown that it's automatically bad

[magic wolf]

got any secret hacks to make a keyboard quieter for a guy who already lubed. foamed. band aid, weighted, clipped, aka all the home-made mods I could find online. My small keys are annoyingly loud.

orings is the go-to hack for this but...I'd just steal a kb from work at that point

[radiant lodge]

sanrio 🫶

[radiant lodge]

wym small keys

[glossy sandal]

Hi

[magic wolf]

my stab keys are great.

[unkempt dome]

like any alpha and 1u key ?

[glossy sandal]

I’m back what is needed

[unkempt dome]

you

[magic wolf]

my letter keys, are obnoxiously marbly-

and before mods, pingy

[glossy sandal]

marbly

tharbly thrackly

[radiant lodge]

tharblers

[unkempt dome]

that ... doesn't mean much to me

[magic wolf]

mmmm yes, I love describing keyboard noises

T h o c c

[radiant lodge]

yea me too

[unkempt dome]

same as thock and clack ... doesn't mean anything

[radiant lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/thocky-thock-keyboard-enthusiast-custom-keyboard-gif-23191651

[magic wolf]

ok but

they do indicate

a general direction

[unkempt dome]

not really imo

[radiant lodge]

one is lower and one is higher

there is no opinion

it’s objective

[magic wolf]

like you tell me clicky I hear each actuation you make

you tell me thocc I feel it in my bones

[radiant lodge]

i feel thock in my bones

[magic wolf]

Thats a pickup line

[unkempt dome]

never heard anything that I could call thock besides some topre

and yet again I would not use that word to describe it anyway

[magic wolf]

alright, one word to label that sound.

mr.thoccisnotreal

[radiant lodge]

anyone else love beabadobee

[unkempt dome]

thock is so vague that you can have 10 people and those 10 people won't even agree about what is thock and what is not

[magic wolf]

thock is only vague cause content creators clickbait it

[unkempt dome]

totally

[radiant lodge]

meow

[magic wolf]

yea, now that is an idea.

random word generator, you must make a keyboard that suits that word.

Meow.

[glossy sandal]

meow

[magic wolf]

Make a keyboard that purrs

[radiant lodge]

hi gas :3

[unkempt dome]

meow

[glossy sandal]

hi girlie

[radiant lodge]

meow

i thought you were typing

[glossy sandal]

you a fed

can’t let ‘em know what I was thinking 😤

[radiant lodge]

turn around

[glossy sandal]

in a car

[radiant lodge]

look behind you

[glossy sandal]

in a car

[radiant lodge]

i’m in the car behind you

[glossy sandal]

there is none

[radiant lodge]

it’s my invisible car

[glossy sandal]

man shut your silly ass up

[unkempt dome]

that got weird fast ...

[radiant lodge]

[glossy sandal]

it wasn’t even 3 dms man

[unkempt dome]

yes but the weirdness was over 9000 ...

[glossy sandal]

I meant the emote

this is so fake man

do you wanna play doors later girlie I’m so bored

[radiant lodge]

thrust

[glossy sandal]

need to get used to these mx blacks

[radiant lodge]

yea sure

[glossy sandal]

they’re so fucking heavy

[radiant lodge]

stock springs?

[glossy sandal]

80g

Yes

[radiant lodge]

pog

stock cherry springs are nice

[glossy sandal]

but you own more…a lot more

[radiant lodge]

MONEYYYYY

[glossy sandal]

send me heavy6

I’ll pay for ship

[radiant lodge]

i think i knew more when i was actively participating

[glossy sandal]

nuh uh

[radiant lodge]

i def did

i haven’t built the matrix

[glossy sandal]

can your brain not retain information past 2 years or something

[radiant lodge]

not when i talk to you

[glossy sandal]

[glossy sandal]

https://www.amazon.com/KeebsForAll-Freebird-Mechanical-Keyboard-Lubricated/dp/B0BWSQ293D/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=KeebsForAll&qid=1683932650&sr=8-1

dude.

[simple flax]

Why everyone hate brown? Also no o rings for me xD

[radiant lodge]

HA

nice

[glossy sandal]

ltt server btw

[radiant lodge]

it’s not bad

is it

[glossy sandal]

let me buy heavy6!!!!!

[radiant lodge]

yes

fine

500 + ship

[solid aurora]

what to look for in a keyboard?

[glossy sandal]

fuck no!!!

[cunning anvil]

switches?

[glossy sandal]

I’ll do half 💙

[radiant lodge]

google

[solid aurora]

bruh

[glossy sandal]

bruh

[radiant lodge]

sound/looks/feel/price

[glossy sandal]

hiiiiiii loh

[cunning anvil]

hi gas

im saving up for doug

though i named it neodoug for the case version

[glossy sandal]

what’s Neo about it

[cunning anvil]

because im so good at names

[radiant lodge]

what’s doug

[cunning anvil]

neo just means it fits in me case

in this scenario

[glossy sandal]

[radiant lodge]

i really want to adopt a kitty

[glossy sandal]

do it

[cunning anvil]

doug is my katana40 basically

[glossy sandal]

ohhhh with the funny stagger

[radiant lodge]

how to take care of cats:

[glossy sandal]

I see I see

[glossy sandal]

take a cold hard long look in the mirror

[cunning anvil]

worst case scenario itll look pretty

[radiant lodge]

i know how to

[cunning anvil]

and sit on my desk

[radiant lodge]

i planned on it

[glossy sandal]

epic paperweight

[cunning anvil]

sii

[glossy sandal]

epico

is it westend

LOL

[radiant lodge]

.

[glossy sandal]

nice

[cunning anvil]

or maybe not bc imma take it outta the case and swap it with an ortho version lol

[glossy sandal]

brother got muted

[cunning anvil]

wh

[junior condor]

is it possible to make a non rgb keyboard rgb?

[pseudo owl]

Only if they have special holes for them

Which some do

Some don’t

[pseudo owl]

The PCB

[glossy sandal]

girlie got muted

for spamming “.”

[junior condor]

👍

if i change the pcb will it work?

or is that not how it works

[cunning anvil]

if you can find a compatible pcb ig?

[junior condor]

👍

[hushed sonnet]

Bingo

[simple flax]

Why do mfs hate mx browns

[urban panther]

racism

[glossy sandal]

we don't

[unkempt dome]

browns can be nice when you put time and effort in them

[simple flax]

I guess

[unkempt dome]

also some people like small tactile bump

that is barely noticeable to the point you wonder if it's actually tactile or just linear

[glass jolt]

Ah yea. I used EVA foam. @glossy sleet

[magic wolf]

Not that they’re hated

They just feel like orings

[boreal rivet]

They don’t though

[cunning anvil]

had the first part of this nightmare again, for some reason there was a nice nano inside

[radiant lodge]

did it make lego bricks sound effect

[cunning anvil]

there were actual Legos inside

apparently i tried fixing it before

[random sleet]

There's no difference between a normal switch and a hot swap- switch right? The only difference is on the board? So in theory I could desolder a switch and put it in a hot swap board?

[unkempt dome]

it's not the switch that are hotswap, it's the pcb so indeed there's no difference in the switches ... so in theory you could desolder and put them in a hotswap pcb ... some manufacturer just state no to do it cause the contact legs might not be totally clean of solder and damage the hotswap socket in some way

[pseudo owl]

This reminds me of the time when glarses said “I should have called them ‘Mx African Americans’” I forget what video, I think it’s the 2nd time he mods the pewdiepie keyboard

[hard tiger]

Any one handed keyboard for gaming right handed with pointers

[eternal ore]

So I have this keyboard for when I use my Tab S7+ on the train for many hours but is there anything with better keys, that is lightweight, portable???

[median slate]

Is. That. A. Membrane. Keyboard..?

[boreal rivet]

don't be cringe

[kind drum]

Guys, a friend gave me an hotswap keyboard with water damage, 4 keys in a row dont work, i cleaned the corrosion with alcohol but still dont work, if i remove the socket will i have any luck to save this kb?

[drifting ore]

can anyone tell me the difference between 7u and 6.25u spacebar?

like whats the benefit

[drifting ore]

also .a low. profile.?

[wanton pilot]

my keyboard has some keys that press twice for no reason only some of the time
like some times my x key will only press x once sometimes it will do it xx, if i hold it for a split second longer it will do it twice
this isnt the same for all my other keys
except the number six has this issue aswell

how do i fix it

[radiant lodge]

one is longer

most ppl use 7u bc it looks symmetrical i think

[drifting ore]

i do want a wk with 7u bc you dont need right alt key

[radiant lodge]

hm:3

[drifting ore]

prolly pcb
\

[median slate]

DEAR GOD

Please tell me you don’t daily drive that

[cunning anvil]

what's wrong with it lol

[glossy sandal]

It’s a keyboard what

[magic wolf]

Uh.

He’s on a train.

Oh yeah bro he should totally bring out whip out the thocker and use a USB adapter for his tablet ya know

Piss over everyone around you but it’s vibe

[opaque shard]

I think my keyboard is pretty decent for using on the train

But it would probably be better if it was unibody

Working on the next version now

[rancid musk]

how does that even work?

as in you dont have a full keyboard with this right?

[median slate]

Real

They won’t get mad if it sounds really good

Cobalt blues

Pre lube and film

Only* $60+shipping

[pseudo owl]

Awesome!

[pseudo owl]

layers

[chrome raft]

whats your level in blue archive

[eternal ore]

God knows, I know I prefer slightly quiet keyboards to those chunky thick clicking ones

[cunning anvil]

i wanna see it now :o

[proud ember]

Anyone got a cheap aahh wireless Kb? I just need one whit long asf battery life and that isnt complète shit to type short sentence on

[chrome raft]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/818181537337966622/1107052893405716480/20230514_071150.mp4

does my keyboard sound good

[magic wolf]

I hate the sound of deliberate actuation clicking

The phone mic also makes it 10x as painful

It’s kinda like, why would you want your keyboard to make an earring ping, I guess it’s the most “tactile feel” one can get. But that sound can ring thru a whole house

My idea of tactile, is,

Tickling the key is enough to hit it

[glossy sandal]

fiddy six

[glossy sandal]

TEE KAY ELLEE

[cunning anvil]

oh now i dont wanna see it

[glossy sandal]

crazy hating

[cunning anvil]

i kid

im curious whats up with it tho

[glossy sandal]

iirc, daughterboard placement didn’t work out?

@radiant lodge cmere

[radiant lodge]

hiiii

[radiant lodge]

whats up :3

[glossy sandal]

how did you buy books but you still can’t read

[radiant lodge]

whats up with it?

didnt make enough cable space for db

[glossy sandal]

oh lol

[dawn swan]

the reason that people get clicky keyboards is because awful tactiles like browns exist with a non existent bump

feel worse to type on than a membrane

if you want basically no usable tactile feedback then just get linears

otherwise you should actually be able to notice when it actuates when not typing at 30 wpm with ultra light keystrokes

"dirty reds" perfect nickname for them

[cunning anvil]

dark orange

[dawn swan]

typing on a keyboard with brown switches drops my wpm by about 10-20 and way more errors

would rather use a 5 dollar membrane

sad that its the "most popular" switch

[cunning anvil]

browns? or membrane

[dawn swan]

browns

[cunning anvil]

whats a really silent tactile

[dawn swan]

had 3 or 4 different keyboards with different variations of brown mx, clones, logitech

all suck

even mx blue which is considered one of the worst clicky switches feels better than a brown with clickjacket

can actually notice when its pressed

plus browns are probably one of the most chatter prone switches and other similar derivative tactiles

in my experience lowest lifespan and reliability switch

with most manufacturer defects

the only way to "fix" them is to swap the housing and all the other parts and at that point its a theseus ship situation where its no longer a brown therefore all "browns" are just awfulness

[smoky comet]

People who use brows shouldnt have an opinion on keyboards

[glossy sandal]

[past vortex]

What about 🦋? 😉

[magic wolf]

This doesn’t sound like a load of horse crap at all

[gloomy patrol]

racially motivated

[smoky comet]

https://tenor.com/view/norman-osborn-oh-you-cant-do-this-to-me-spiderman-no-ways-gif-17373736

[modest blaze]

i need a keyboard for 14 usd (1200 rs) from amazon.in (the keyboard should be available there)
should be RGB
should've breathing mode (atleast 1)
100% keyboard size

im thinking of buying the cosmic byte Gk 17 (has 4 breathing modes) atm

[glossy sandal]

save up

[dawn swan]

thats like asking for a 100 dollar pc or a 1000 dollar car they exist but they are either complete shit, used and in bad shape, or both

bare minimum for a keyboard is usually 30-50 usd

for low end/clone brand

[glass jolt]

but these $8 earbuds sound just as good as your beats pro. and 1/20th the cost ! /s

[boreal rivet]

probably true

[glass jolt]

lol though that tells more about the beats in that case.

i have a pair of samsung buds pro 2 and love the heck out of them.

[gloomy patrol]

I have Powerbeats

Lwk hate them

[magic wolf]

beats fit pro are unironically gen 1 air pod pros.

[dawn swan]

beats good if you like paying 200+ for a fashion statement that has bloated bass sounding like a taco bell bathroom stall

[opaque shard]

I do. I have a numpad, navcluster, all alphas, all modifiers, all symbols, all F keys, media keys...

[pseudo owl]

Layers

:)

Layers are great

[opaque shard]

Well, it's not just layers. Hold-taps and combo keys are equally useful ime

[pseudo owl]

That too

[magic wolf]

This was 110% accurate….until Apple acquired them. So still overpriced fashion statement, but theyre far from bad sounding headphones these days (sorry keyboard chat I have no idea why this happen)

[cunning anvil]

i haven't gone so far as to use combos, but maybe that's because i use homerow mods, hold tap and layers, and that seems enough

i do wanna try tapdance combos though

[viscid tapir]

does anyone know if any vendor sells single springs by tx

to test all weights with and lengths

[opaque shard]

Designing my next keyboard now, gonna be nice I think

[last trench]

cool!

one day I'd like to design my own from the ground up. My first keyboard build has been someone else's design (still great though)

[amber tartan]

like, a single spring? no

[lunar cedar]

i am looking at getting a new keyboard under 60 and cant find many decent ones (preferably no rgb but not bothered if it does)

[viscid tapir]

yes

ahh

i do not want to buy whole packs just to test single length or weight

i would just need singles for my switch tester

[viscid tapir]

so i have made some calculations and it would cost me 540eur to test them all

because i am not sure if i would like 45g 22m or 55g 14mm

it would be far more simple to sell single springs for 1eur

that would make them earn a big margin

[pseudo owl]

Difference between 14mm and 22mm will be the snappiness of the switch

And bottom out should be more even with a longer spring

[unkempt dome]

Snapiness as faster return right ?

[viscid tapir]

to me 14mm feels more snappy than 22mm but 22mm feels more balanced on top compared to 14mm

unless you increase the weight

[modern turret]

is roccat vulcan tkl good?

[amber tartan]

meh

[unkempt dome]

Hello

Welcome

[pseudo owl]

Yeah

At least that’s what I’ve heard

[autumn agate]

The wingle wangle

[chrome raft]

Any recommendations on 60% keyboards, price max like 150

[muted karma]

longer spring means faster return

since they have higher force on top out

if you get a spring that is let's say 62g that means bottom out

a 14mm and a 17mm one will require the same force for bottoming out

but the 17mm one will require more force for even starting travel

and also for activation

and force is the same up and down

[viscid tapir]

50g 14mm compared to 50g 22mm will not really be more snappy

it will just have less difference between top and bottom

if you want to make it more snappy i would assume you would have to increase bottom out

so shorter springs will be more snappy

but you will have to increase weight for bottom and decrease top

while they do have higher force for top out then also have more force when pushing them down

shorter springs have lesser force of top out but feel more snappy or bouncy

because you feel more of increased force at bottom out

[muted karma]

that makes them feel mushier

not snappier

lol

[mossy nimbus]

Is that

The number 3

[mossy nimbus]

Is that the lord of hat(red)

Is that the jingle jangle

[mossy nimbus]

Is that the gmbrothers

[mossy nimbus]

Is that the Astro

[mossy nimbus]

Is that the gasolina

[mossy nimbus]

Is that the talisman

[viscid tapir]

making them mushier is how they feel at the bottom out not from top to bottom

50g 14mm will feel far more bouncy than 50g 22mm

[muted karma]

once you overcome initial force you will drop the key down faster

[viscid tapir]

shorter spring will just be far lighter on top

and will escalate far more than longer or preloaded spring will

like basic cherry and gateron reds have shorter springs and feel much softer on top than bottom while yellows that have longer i believe it is 14mm compared to 15mm spring they will feel more consistent since they are more balanced

bottom out force will remain the same on 50g since springs are measured at bottom out force while longer spring will be heavier on top to reduce the weight difference but same force 50g on bottom out

this is why they are measured at bottom out

because this is only consistent constant when you change length of the spring

top will change but bottom will not

if you want to increase bottom out you will have to also increase weight of it

[boreal rivet]

Damn you seem to know a lot about springs

You should just imagine how the different weights will feel 🙂

[amber tartan]

maybe try picking up something 50g

that might help

[glossy sleet]

This person springs

[modern turret]

ANYONE

[amber tartan]

meh

[viscid tapir]

you can imagine how they feel

you just buy them to confirm it

[modern turret]

ok

[viscid tapir]

i have ordered 50g in 14mm and 50g in 16mm

this is my understand of hooke law

[radiant lodge]

highschool physics for keyboards nice

[arctic shuttle]

Wow, Is that the Cherry Mastermind himself, JINGLE

I love that you were the first to discover that Cherry Yellows were actually made by the company Aristotle

No

I like meme switches

[viscid tapir]

imagine not using physics in engineering

use astrology

[radiant lodge]

i cant feel a difference between springs anyways i can only feel the different weights but not different stages or stuff like that anyways

[glossy sandal]

blunt typist

[radiant lodge]

hi mr trail :3

[glossy sandal]

hi girlie

are you twiddling rn

[radiant lodge]

duh

[viscid tapir]

interesting maybe if you tried a big difference side by side

longer springs to me just feel more balanced since ratio between top and bottom is not that different

also top out is a bit better on top half

or maybe you have strong fingers

i like 50g for bottom out which is very light

[radiant lodge]

i use 72-80

[viscid tapir]

65g for bottom out is far too heavy for me

[viscid tapir]

yes then it makes sense

[radiant lodge]

i get bullied by my friends for not changing stock cherry springs

[viscid tapir]

people are stupid and insecure which makes them insult people for no reason i say use what you like you know live and let live

[arctic shuttle]

Add me to the list..... YOU USE STOCK CHERRY SPRINGS?!?

[viscid tapir]

stock springs are fine i only change them to find more ideal weight because most switches sold do not fit me

[arctic shuttle]

I change them cause idc what a switches spring weight is, it's getting 55g springs anyway

[viscid tapir]

imo spring weight is most important at least to me

[radiant lodge]

well i lube em but yea

[viscid tapir]

i do not really care about the sound

[arctic shuttle]

That's okay if you like it you like it

[arctic shuttle]

Why not? You put all this effort into creating a masterpiece and you would rather settle than perfect?

[viscid tapir]

they are fine no need to change them people just cherry pick

[viscid tapir]

not that i want it to sound bad i just care about feel more than sound

i listen to music either way so i do not hear my keyboard

[arctic shuttle]

My brother you realize there is an entire community dedicated to cherry picking switches and keyboards

[viscid tapir]

this is why you ignore their toxicity

[arctic shuttle]

I definitely wouldn't say it's toxic. Sure you have some elitists but overall it's really chill

[viscid tapir]

imo elitism is very toxic because they mock people and gatekeep

[arctic shuttle]

But that's the 1%

[cunning anvil]

they do be loud af though

[viscid tapir]

1% but they are louder than 100%

yes

xdd

[arctic shuttle]

I mean ya but they usually get banned from servers

[viscid tapir]

this is why so many new members give up on mechanical keyboards

same with audiophile community

or car community

[viscid tapir]

not if they are boosters or owners

some servers i went to had in rules "no tolerance for cherry mx brown switches"

and it was insta kick

[arctic shuttle]

I mean, I can speak on car and keyboard and I don't believe those are accurate at all. There's a difference between lack of knowledge, and hardheadedness. The people unwilling to learn when they are dealing to people who know more typically get ignored and then they throw a tantrum that they were ignored and the community is bad

[arctic shuttle]

That's super dumb

[viscid tapir]

there is a difference between objectivity and subjectivity

in objectivity you find correct facts

in subjectivity there is no right or wrong

i was once told i have "objectively wrong taste"

[arctic shuttle]

For what exactly?

[viscid tapir]

i got called a peasent for saying brown switches are not that bad

[arctic shuttle]

Those people who said that are dumb

Too much YouTube for them

Browns are a nice light tactile

[viscid tapir]

they use crowd mentality instead of rationality

they just follow glarses memes

and i asked them to clarify why they are bad

and they said "idk they just are"

[arctic shuttle]

Glarses unironically doesn't hate them though, it's all for the meme

[viscid tapir]

yes but people do not think about it

they just follow trends like sheeps

like someone tape mods everyone tape mods

[arctic shuttle]

Tape mod has it's place ya

[viscid tapir]

those people who hate browns will support browns if a trendy memes supports them

tape mod is primarily a trend

and it is going downhill already

it is fine for budget keyboards

but it is a trend

every trend loses popularity

[arctic shuttle]

Tape mod has positive benefits for sound redirection though

[viscid tapir]

this is why i do not follow trends

i like what i like

same thing with metalheads either people following trends or extreme elitism

[viscid tapir]

positive and negative

makes cheap keyboard less hollow but limits expensive keyboard to sound of pcd

[arctic shuttle]

Depends on how many layers you use though

[viscid tapir]

i used 3 but did not really care for it

tried 4 but it did not fit anymore

[arctic shuttle]

What board you got?

[viscid tapir]

keychron

v3

[arctic shuttle]

Any other boards?

[viscid tapir]

i have dragonborn and rk84 also a monsgeek but this is it was gonna get tofu but not yet

not a fan of gasket mount also

but this is my opinion

my subjective opinion

before someone jumps me

[cunning anvil]

what's good for quieting a board?

[arctic shuttle]

I'm a top mount kinda guy tbh, but a nice gasket mount is solid

[viscid tapir]

i like top mount a lot more

[arctic shuttle]

Silent switches, foam

[viscid tapir]

tape makes it louder

while foam mutes it

but housing mostly affects switches yes

i really hate gasket mount i respect it just hate it personally

while gaming makes me feel like i am on a boat

i like consistency and stability

[arctic shuttle]

Sounds like you have tried a lot of pretty cheap gasket mounts

[viscid tapir]

Q1

zoom

i just dislike this bouncy feel

makes it mushy

[arctic shuttle]

So try a different plate material

[cunning anvil]

is switch type like tactile/linear affect silence? i wanna try tactile but it'd have to be quiet

[viscid tapir]

i like top and tray

for now

[arctic shuttle]

Boba U4'S, Durock Shrimps, my go to for silent switches tactile wise

[viscid tapir]

tactility itself does not make it louder

the way you press it does

also switches with pretravel tend to be quiter than the ones with tactility on the top

not really a fan of tactility on top idk why it is so popular

main reason why i like brown switches

pretravel and light tactility

[arctic shuttle]

I use frankenswitches (halo true stem, Durock T1 housing) and the top tactility helps reduce error and overall feels and sounds satisfying

[viscid tapir]

i dislike top tactility because you barely feel it and they feel like membrane switches also long travel distance makes you smash them to the bottom

[arctic shuttle]

Homie, these are the most tactile switches that still actuate was of today, trust me you feel it

[viscid tapir]

i tried u4t

disliked them

[cunning anvil]

I'll try shrimp, boba looks more expensive for a whole board number of switches

thx

[arctic shuttle]

Gotchu homie, when using tactile switches lube with a little tribosis 3203

[cunning anvil]

sounds like a time investment :c

[viscid tapir]

second feels much better to me than first

but this is just my opinion

[cunning anvil]

does lubing make it quieter or is it more for feel

[viscid tapir]

both

[arctic shuttle]

Both

[viscid tapir]

ye

[cunning anvil]

ah, I'll see if it's quiet enough without lube first

im not too bothered about feel

[viscid tapir]

a lot of people use them stock

[arctic shuttle]

You should since silent switches are going to be more mushy than a standard tactile

[viscid tapir]

you notice lube on linears far more than on tactiles

many people dislike silent switches

top tactility imo is awful for gaming due to top actuation and long travel distance

[arctic shuttle]

Why are you using tactile switches for gaming anyway?

[viscid tapir]

why would i have 3 or 4 keyboard plugged in

i use one for all

brown switches are great for gaming

[arctic shuttle]

Objectively a linear switch would be able to actuate faster, have a faster return, and overall be a better choice due to the less friction within the switch and the lack of a bump

[viscid tapir]

truee but it is not that much of a difference i just like pretravel at least 1.5mm or 2.00mm this is why i switched to linear switches better overall just a bit boring

since there is no feedback

clicky are far too crispy and pitched

[arctic shuttle]

The no feedback is the entire point of linear switches

[smoky comet]

Lubing is placebo

[viscid tapir]

lubing tactile and clicky switches is mostly placebo yes

but on linear switches you actually do feel a difference

[viscid tapir]

well i was tactile user for almost a decade

but i switches to linear switches because i could never find ideal tactile switch i went through 10 or 15 different tactile switches

[ruby narwhal]

My desktop was going crazy a bit ago.
I woke it from sleep and the screen wasn’t coming on even though the monitor was still sensing a signal.
I unplugged that then back in.
Screen came on. Pressed space to bring up passcode entry.
It was spamming ; constantly.
So I unplugged the keyboard and it stopped. Then plugged it back in. The ; spamming started again.

[arctic shuttle]

You're silly

[arctic shuttle]

Check to see if there is a problem with the switch. If there is not, could be a software issues or a short somewhere

[ruby narwhal]

Holding Ctrl+A seemed to stop the spam, but once I released it started again.
What I did next was hold Ctrl+A then unplugged the keyboard and back in.
It all stopped, but I couldn’t use the keyboard anymore.
Luckily Win has onscreen keyboard to type.
Was kinda scary.

[arctic shuttle]

What's the keyboard

[ruby narwhal]

Corsair K40 I believe. I’ve had it for years.

[arctic shuttle]

May be on it's way out tbh

[ruby narwhal]

Never thought that would be a thing.

[arctic shuttle]

It's a membrane is it not

[ruby narwhal]

I do not know.

[arctic shuttle]

It is

Your board may have had some contacts ware out

[ruby narwhal]

Found the issue. Its actually my MMO mouse. I have one of the side buttons mapped to ;. So thats whats repeating it all.

[median slate]

hola

[oblique eagle]

Gotta say I love the Redragon K628 PRO 75%, I've always wanted a small keyboard but I love my numpad

[viscid tapir]

these are perfect 50g L

[viscid tapir]

i really like your setup everything matches

is that pink or red in person

[oblique eagle]

Red

[arctic shuttle]

My child

@patent belfry 's favorite keyboard of mine

As you should king

[viscid tapir]

anyone knows where i could get similar deskmat

[arctic shuttle]

Negative soldier, best go custom

[chrome raft]

looks like sniper keys?

[arctic shuttle]

Like what?

[chrome raft]

soft

someone took my laptop smh

[arctic shuttle]

They are GMK 80085

They ain't soft

[cunning anvil]

i think Oracle is made by the same that's available and kinda similar

[viscid tapir]

thx it is oracle and celestial

but sadly no pastel sky

[cunning anvil]

darn

[viscid tapir]

looking for something in pastel colors like lavender pink blue

or like cherry blossom

[chrome raft]

Oh

Tbh Razer sucks

[arctic shuttle]

Razer switches are phenomenal though

[chrome raft]

Yep

[arctic shuttle]

The Kailh + Greetech era of Razer was peak

[chrome raft]

I like loud and clicky switches and they almost nailed it

[arctic shuttle]

I'll send you a typing test when I get home

I have a Mercutio with Razer Greens

[chrome raft]

The Razer huntsman elite doesn’t work with my computer, it uses 2 usb 3 ports that I have yet it glitches by pressing random buttons.

[arctic shuttle]

Lubed with Tribosis

[chrome raft]

Nice

[arctic shuttle]

New Razer keyboards are mid and expensive

[chrome raft]

I strongly agree

[arctic shuttle]

Optical switches are big doo doo

[chrome raft]

$200 for a 60% keyboard without type C

What kind of deal is that?

[arctic shuttle]

I mean, I have a 60 that is quite a bit more than that

[chrome raft]

Me too

[chrome raft]

Nice

[arctic shuttle]

Right up @viscid tapir 's ally

[icy creek]

XT system class keyboard

Not bad looks to be copying the ibm model F (previous iteration of the model M)

Finally they’ve arrived

[viscid tapir]

what is up my alley

[arctic shuttle]

This one here

[viscid tapir]

i like it but i miss windows keys

[arctic shuttle]

Just macro it to a different key if you need it

[viscid tapir]

no i mean for aesthetic purpose

main reason why i like tofu over zoom

[pseudo owl]

Imo WKL>WK

[arctic shuttle]

WKL>WK ya

[pseudo owl]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805232258094.html? Kinda want these tbh

These are the panda tactile switches but nylon

Nylon housing

outemu 🫶

[arctic shuttle]

Pay me to make you T1 Halosuns

Best tactile you have ever felt

[pseudo owl]

That sounds expensive

Idk

Wait aren’t those like kinda cheap

You’ve talked about them before

[viscid tapir]

perfect

tho

this really kills me on zoom

[cunning anvil]

oo dense

[viscid tapir]

i really like the design of tofu84

[arctic shuttle]

Oh, ugh

[viscid tapir]

what

xd

[arctic shuttle]

This is my version of perfect

[viscid tapir]

i do not like this at all

but i can respect it

there is no symmetry or consistency in color

but i can see it is fancy

[arctic shuttle]

What? They compliment one another color wise

[viscid tapir]

this is mine

haha

[arctic shuttle]

Purple, pink, white and blue are all matching

[viscid tapir]

too many colors

[arctic shuttle]

What are those keycaps?

[viscid tapir]

some cherry dye sub from amazon

[arctic shuttle]

Yikes

[viscid tapir]

xdd

why

[arctic shuttle]

Super cheap feeling

[viscid tapir]

i also like those

[arctic shuttle]

XDA profile?

[viscid tapir]

yes i like xda and osa

mt3 profile is also really well sculpted

[arctic shuttle]

Ya I can't do any of those

I absolutely despise MT3

[viscid tapir]

how do you despise mt3

imo cherry and oem are the worst to me

idk i do not want to spend 130 or 150 on keycaps

also not able to find "BoW" or "WoB" with katakana for that price

also most have very rough texture

want to get smooth and polished ones

[pseudo owl]

Preference

[pseudo owl]

Just polish them yourself

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=118081.0 well this is abs but whatever

[arctic shuttle]

The profile is too high for me to use my keyboard effectively

Cherry is perfect for me

[viscid tapir]

interesting do they not get shiny

[unkempt dome]

I totally agree
Cherry profile feels horrendous to me and oem is not far from that too.

[viscid tapir]

yes they look nice and are like a default but they are not sculpted well for fingertips at all

imo osa is most comfortable for me

[unkempt dome]

I really prefer dsa over anything else

[viscid tapir]

but a they are rare and usually thin

[viscid tapir]

dsa are pretty neat

sa are too tall

[arctic shuttle]

Sa are too tall but you like mt3?

[unkempt dome]

I have one set of shiny abs double shot sa and they were nice to use but really hard to type on for me

But box navy sounded amazing with those

[pseudo owl]

They do but personally a more even shine would be nice

Unless we talk about PBT then they don’t get shiny

[arctic shuttle]

They do it just takes significantly longer

[pseudo owl]

Mhm

[arctic shuttle]

My akko PBT caps are starting to shine

[unkempt dome]

Also it depends of the pbt mix

Early akko have that problem

They changed their recipe since then

[arctic shuttle]

I've had the set for almost a year and use them every day

It's not a problem it's just wear

[unkempt dome]

Earlier set would start to show shine after a couple months or so I've heard

[arctic shuttle]

Mine is an early asa set

[unkempt dome]

Ok

[viscid tapir]

i like texture of stock keychron keycaps the most very smooth and matte but plastic is so hollow and thin which is a con

[arctic shuttle]

When they still did the plastic home cases

[unkempt dome]

Anyway shine don't bother me

[arctic shuttle]

Shine is nice if it's consistent, gamer shine is not nice at all

[viscid tapir]

i do not mind them shiny but they all have to be shiny hh not just few

[arctic shuttle]

Like id never game on a GMK set

[unkempt dome]

I barely game with my keyboard ... I don't play fps

[pseudo owl]

Well yeah it’s a more ABS/PBT mix iirc

[unkempt dome]

Every and all pbt set have abs in it and other components ... the thing differs is proportions

[pseudo owl]

Yeah

[arctic shuttle]

Yes

[unkempt dome]

So those early set must have had too much abs and that's why cause the early shine ... that would be my guess

[arctic shuttle]

Or it's just Garbo quality of plastic

[unkempt dome]

Yeah that too

[arctic shuttle]

Even quality abs shouldnt be shining after a couple months

[unkempt dome]

Which also doesn't bother me

[arctic shuttle]

I just baby my Cojiros too much

[unkempt dome]

That's good I guess

I don't know what cojiros are

[arctic shuttle]

GMK set

The ones on the purple keyboard I posted

[unkempt dome]

I will never get a gmk set for sure

[arctic shuttle]

I have yet to find a cherry set that mimics the feel and quality of GMK to a T

[unkempt dome]

I don't care much about keycap quality I guess

[arctic shuttle]

ePBT came close before their QC issues

nPBT is nice

Lowest quality I'm comfortable using

[unkempt dome]

I so not care about that ... that my favorite set is a fekker set I got on amazon

Paid 30 cad for it

[arctic shuttle]

My problem with clones like most Amazon brands, is poor quality and taking away from designers and color theorists

[unkempt dome]

Well I would get the real one of they were 50 or 60 ...
Also I don't mind about quality

I surely won't pay more for my keycaps than what I paid for my keyboard

[arctic shuttle]

It's just not worth it to you

[unkempt dome]

Besides a 100 $ keyboard paired with a 200 $ keycap set seems strange

[arctic shuttle]

I mean, why do people put 4k+ full exhausts on a car they paid 2k for, because it's worth it to them

[unkempt dome]

Poor financial decision, specially for cars if they use it during winter

Also yeah would not be worth to me either

[arctic shuttle]

How can you say it's a poor financial decision if it's what they want to do though. If they have the money they are willing to pay with and see a necessity in spending the extra money, seems like a pretty good investment, especially if it raises the over look and feel asking side financial value

[unkempt dome]

Cause a car only lose it's value specially when it's not something exceptional and / or rare

You put 20k on a 2k car ... it's not worth 22k in the end sadly

But if they want to do it then let's gooooo

It's just a nice past time

[arctic shuttle]

And in terms of keyboards, is a 200 GMK set not exceptional or rare

[unkempt dome]

Depend of the set I guess

I don't know enough about gmk set and how limited they can be and such

Also 200 for a keycap set I'd not 4k for an exhaust on a car that will rust away in the end

[arctic shuttle]

There are few in stock GMK sets, everything else is small batches

[arctic shuttle]

And a PCB will fail in the end

[unkempt dome]

Therefore limited and will become rare in the end

Pcb will last longer than average cars here

[arctic shuttle]

Until you desolder for the 6th time

[unkempt dome]

Well we're just talking about keycaps tho

[arctic shuttle]

That's true, we just have different values and that's ok

[unkempt dome]

Yes it is

[arctic shuttle]

I'm not expecting someone to blow $400 on GMK Black Lotus but I sure would

[unkempt dome]

I would just save that 400 $ and use it to repair the house

Bathroom needs to be redone to get rid of the mold and such

So that would be a nice 400 $ for drywall and such

[arctic shuttle]

If you can redo a bathroom for $400 I need to meet your contractor lol. But seriously I get it

[unkempt dome]

You start with saving 400 and it grows to 4k with time

[arctic shuttle]

Bathroom on average is $600-$800 a square foot

On average, of course you could go Moen instead of Kohler and vice versa

[unkempt dome]

If every time I have 400 I would spend it on something I don't need I would never have anything done here

[arctic shuttle]

Sorry Architect kicked in

[unkempt dome]

I expect the bathroom to cost about 4k ... I can't afford premium stuff anyway

[arctic shuttle]

You can get solid shower fixtures for cheaper if you buy them instead of the contractor, just be sure to buy the correct shower valve. Stick to a standard pedestal sink instead of a vanity with a custom sink insert, and use prefab shower curbs and systems, you'll save a lot. Plus, no architect fees in certain locations if the overall remodeling process would cost less than 5k

[unkempt dome]

I won't be using a contractor

Can't afford that

I'll do it myself

[arctic shuttle]

Can I dm you

[unkempt dome]

If you want to

Yes

[knotty sundial]

hi guys can someone give me a reccomendation for about 80 aud

[opaque shard]

Just spent 80 dollars to order my 3D printed keycaps oof

[meager pollen]

eish

u just paid like 1/6 of that guys printer

[opaque shard]

Yeah, but I don't have space for a resin printer anyways

[viscid tapir]

i primarily use my keyboard for gaming a little typing

i just do not play competitive games

[viscid tapir]

well depends on cost of living of where you live and material cost also service

i would not pay that much for a keyboard

[arctic shuttle]

Hence the average

[viscid tapir]

in the first world countries yes

but if you go to the third world country it would cost you even less

[arctic shuttle]

Ya but the doesn't live in the 3rd word countey

[viscid tapir]

here we just order people from serbia or romania to come and do it for half the price

we do not order people but we order their services

[arctic shuttle]

Wait, who's ordering people?

[viscid tapir]

jeffrey epstein

[arctic shuttle]

Dang you right

[viscid tapir]

wonder who built his island lol

not island but things on his property

we went way off of keyboards

funny how keycaps cost more than barebones

not all but on mediocre

[arctic shuttle]

Quality hold a higher standard,

Like, my living room keyboard is a $30 Tester68 with POM Jelly keycaps, they keycaps were about 3x the price of the keyboard

[viscid tapir]

would it not make sense that material for barebones would cost more than keycaps if they were both manufactured massively

logically for equal tier i would expect to be barebone > switches > keycaps according to price for compatible medium tier

[knotty sundial]

hey

any keyboard to recomend for like 80 aud

about 70 to 65 in us

[arctic shuttle]

That's the key, "massively". High quality keycaps such as GMK and ePBT are made in limited wuantities

70 in us would get you a Keychron V series but idk about anything else that would be worth it

[knotty sundial]

keychron?

what switch

[arctic shuttle]

Reds

[knotty sundial]

fuck uhh

tyhey dont ship to aus i think

[arctic shuttle]

I lied they are $84 prebuolt anyway

Hello jingle

Just got a bunch of fishing stuff for striper

[mighty river]

94 with the encoder knob (v2) which is what i have

[arctic shuttle]

Could find an old G80 with vints for around$70

[viscid tapir]

yes which means monopoly makes it rare and valuable

product or material itself is not as worthy

[arctic shuttle]

Explain the price of in stock GMK sets, MT3 caps, why are they all over $100 while other abs keycaps are sub $100

They have the same amount of quantity as Amazon caps of the same material

Yet more people go for the more expensive option

Higher quality

[viscid tapir]

most people within a small minority

there is not that much of a difference in production cost between clones and gmks

material or plastic for keycaps is worth much less than material used for barebones

despite gaming companies being way too overpriced they still sell keycaps for lesser amount

this is like asking why is supreme so expensive

is it quality no it is branding

supreme shirt is no better than gildan shirt

drop has unique designs and they have a license to do middle earth ones and marvel ones so they can say take it or leave it

[boreal rivet]

Established brands are better quality than Amazon clones

They just aren’t worth the price premium

[balmy bronze]

Colour and quality of plastics is all I can say

[arctic shuttle]

What? GMK needs to recoup their production cost, designer cost, and a handful of others in order to start to finish a set of keycaps. Clones just copy the design, use significantly cheaper plastic, and fabricate them

Clones are absolutely horrible ethically, as you are basically saying "hey designer, I like your work, but I'm not going to give you money for it, I'll give some Chinese knock offs the money instead"

There is so much detail that goes into the quality control of high quality keycaps as well

Plus the machines require to do so as GMK uses original cherry tooling as opposed to knock off

Saying something isn't worth the cost is entirely subjective

[viscid tapir]

i wonder if you use an iphone

[arctic shuttle]

I don't

[viscid tapir]

then you use android

[arctic shuttle]

Yes

[viscid tapir]

every phone has lithium battery which is mined by slavery

[boreal rivet]

Stop sucking off gmk lol

[viscid tapir]

there is no point in discussing ethics in tech

[arctic shuttle]

Just spitting facts of GMK

[viscid tapir]

if you want to say keychron and akko are unethical companies for stealing designs you could argue gmk steals from ibm model m

[boreal rivet]

You try too hard

[viscid tapir]

idk why people even care about ethics in tech

like they have any impact

just buy what is cheap and good and have fun

[arctic shuttle]

Keyword "good"

Clones aren't good

[viscid tapir]

this is your subjective opinion

[arctic shuttle]

But you do you boo boo

[viscid tapir]

they are good for the price

why throw in name calling

[arctic shuttle]

It's a saying it's not name calling

[viscid tapir]

regardless what is wrong with clones

[pseudo owl]

Clones are yuck

[arctic shuttle]

Read up in chat

[pseudo owl]

Stealing someone’s design?

[viscid tapir]

so is slavery by lithium batteries and people still use batteries

any device you own is backed up by slavery of lithium mines

why bring ethics in this

[boreal rivet]

I hope you guys realise many popular sets have their colourways copy pasted from something else yeah?

[arctic shuttle]

How are you going to compare slavery to stealing designs?

[viscid tapir]

i also swim the seven seas for games and movies

[pseudo owl]

Fr

[viscid tapir]

you are right slavery is much worse

and you complain about stealing designs

[pseudo owl]

Because it’s relevant to the conversation

[viscid tapir]

and it is not stealing there is no copyright

[arctic shuttle]

So I purchase and support the designers, which I can do. I can't stop slavery

[pseudo owl]

In a moral sense yes.

[viscid tapir]

do not play social warrior for one thing and do much worse ethical stuff

i buy clones because i will not pay 10 times or 11 times

[arctic shuttle]

I'm picking and choosing what I can physically do on my own to help rid a bad thing

[pseudo owl]

There are great keycaps without cloned colorways but alright

[pseudo owl]

This

[viscid tapir]

i only use BoW and WoB

[arctic shuttle]

Those aren't clones

[pseudo owl]

Yeah

Those are not clones at all

[viscid tapir]

no but they are produced by same chinese manufacturers as clones