peripherals

[exotic wyvern]

lmk how it sounds once its done, gl on assembly

[pale pond]

ty. and I will. lemme add you so I can remember

[glossy sandal]

eh

never liked supporting gloros in the first part, only praise I give them is they shook up the budget 75% a bit

[cinder anchor]

My keyboard is supposed to ship in March, looking forward to building it, but I also do not want to lube and I do not really have any of the equipment for it

[glossy sandal]

only thing you really have to lube are stabilizers

which takes like 10m for a first timer

[river wharf]

Can the https://www.amazon.com/Snpurdiri-Keyboard-Ultra-Compact-Waterproof-Black-White/dp/B097T276QL/ref=mp_s_a_1_3? Hold me off till the zoom 75?

[crude hollow]

oh xdsage

fancy seeing you here

[river wharf]

I know u,I’m just wondering from where

[crude hollow]

ts

[river wharf]

Oh

Check ur dm’s

[deep coral]

hey whats a good 75% kb?

[glossy sandal]

Budget?

[glossy sandal]

I mean, it’s mechanical

[deep coral]

$100 usd

[glossy sandal]

it’s kind of shitty but whether it’ll hold you off or not is up to you

[glossy sandal]

Keychron v1

[deep coral]

anyother ones

[glossy sandal]

none worth mentioning

[deep coral]

ok if i bump to 150 can i get one with rgb

cause i got cotton candy switches and need a kb

[boreal rivet]

membrane rubber dome

[glossy sandal]

what

is it actually

it is

[cinder anchor]

yeah i have alpaca linears, is it worth living them, i already have the kryotox

[glossy sandal]

if you’d like, I think they’re useable stock

only issue is that jwk leafs have ping which is the only reason I’d lube them

[cinder anchor]

yeah, I 3D printed a switch opener so i’m gonna try and use that

my board is coming with an alu plate so i think lubing might be the move

[amber tartan]

i forgor i bought a half plate ....

[glossy sandal]

get the other half!!

[frail tapir]

Idk where to ask so I'll ask here.
Is gulikit king pro 2 still worth buying like Linus was amazed on shortcircuit video? Cuz I see many mixed opinions about it

[gloomy patrol]

i expected a keyboard

i did not get a keyboard

disappointed/10

[amber tartan]

its meant to be just half!!!! its so the alphas stay #flexy !!

[boreal rivet]

I've been thinking of buying one myself

what kind of criticisms do you hear about it? It seems like a pretty good product all in all

[glossy sandal]

wtf..

how much is it ??¿ 😛

[amber tartan]

same as a regular plate ://///

[glossy sandal]

you’re paying the same…for less plate?????

that’s a scam!! 🤣🤣

[amber tartan]

it was a POM half plate........ ...

[glossy sandal]

yeah what’d you need

[glossy sandal]

we matching on the real 🫶

looks like low profile caps

a uh

nothing really good at 75$ hm…

take a look at keychron v series

used gaming boards don’t sell for very much btw

It’s preference really

if you already have browns and like them

keep buying browns

what don’t you like about them?

[dusty aurora]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/883412384071446608/1080718028100087878/VID_20230301_210659.mp4

does anyone know how I can get that springy sound out of the ESC key? I just lubed it

is it just that I put more lube onto the spring

[river wharf]

Wdym

[glossy sandal]

It’s cheaply built and poor quality

[gloomy patrol]

gas

[glossy sandal]

no

[gloomy patrol]

whats the song that goes

these are not edibles these are chocolate chip cookies

[glossy sandal]

Slump AK - Syrup 2

[gloomy patrol]

thank you

[gloomy patrol]

fucking heat

[glossy sandal]

it’s the worst song I’ve heard today

[gloomy patrol]

also it wasnt that one

it was tiktokers

drowning out my thoughts in loud music rn

[glossy sandal]

this is ltt server btw

[gloomy patrol]

am i gonna get modded again

badminton?

[lament moth]

Hey I need help you some keyboard enthusiast

I was thinking of getting the epomaker 84, or the keychron k2

which one do you think is better

[cunning anvil]

bold choices 😜

[ripe marlin]

Hello everyone, Im new here in the LTT discord channel and I thought of starting a conversation about keyboards, which do you think is better? Logitech g915 TKL or Logitech g715 Wireless?

Personally at first I was thinking of getting the g915 but recently found out the g715 which is the newer model is actually cheaper on best buy soooo now I switched my choice to the g715 and honestly its for the sole reason of it having a type c charging port rather than the really old micro b port on the g915 lol

[gloomy patrol]

Both of them look like a waste of money

How much are you looking to spend and is wireless a must

@ripe marlin

[ripe marlin]

Wireless is a must and also the low-latency dongle + bluetooth dual connectivity is a must

thought these were my best options to be honest based on my needs no other brands do it like this

also I prefer it to be TKL

I would spend at most 200$usd

[gloomy patrol]

I’ll look into what I can find on the dongle end

With $200 you can make some great things but wireless holds you back a bit

Dongle even more so

[viscid tapir]

anyone knows where i could get this

[ripe marlin]

the thing is is want a clean setup so no cables (I know you can get fancy coiled cables but meh) moreover the dual connectivity is for using it for both work and gaming, gaming for PC using the low latency dongle and bluetooth for work with an easy button to switch between them

[viscid tapir]

already have kailh not gateron

[gloomy patrol]

I’ll try and see what I can do, if you were fine with a 75, normal bt 5.1, and waiting a bit this is a great option

https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-q1-pro-qmk-via-wireless-custom-mechanical-keyboard

My reply feature is bugging for some reason

Even this would be a better buy than the Logitech ones but no dongle

keychron k8 pro

[ripe marlin]

the small right shift is a deal breaker for me I use it very often and I need it to be fullsize

[unkempt dome]

Rk K87

[pale pond]

i just finished building my gmmk1, full size. and after sometime when i press a switch every switch does not work, and some presses are delayed, some just repeat. idk what to do.

any fixes?

when im talking about that it repeats it just holds whenever i press it

when i release it

some presses are even delayed

[exotic wyvern]

idk if this will fix it but try opening the glorious software and going into task manager and ending the task, then unplug the keyboard and plug it back in

[pale pond]

i have to unplug my keyboard for it to work

and now when i press it it holds

[exotic wyvern]

the keyboard only works when its not plugged in?

[pale pond]

no

it freezes

when its plugged in

to fix it i need to replug it in

[exotic wyvern]

so like after a certain number of keypresses the board just shits itself?

[pale pond]

no

after a few minutes of inactivity

[exotic wyvern]

oh ok

but if you continually type its ok?

[pale pond]

no

im gonna try reinstalling the software

hold on dead switch

lemme fix

[exotic wyvern]

idk i wish i had some knowledge to help but it seems like its above my level of experience, maybe try some forums or #1027757333117415424

[pale pond]

dead switch fixed

[unkempt dome]

Why do you need software in the first place ...

[cunning anvil]

someone local designed a stacked acrylic case for the ortho 100

just need to save up for supplies for that now

[cunning anvil]

i feel like this is the shorter travel distance talking, but these choc browns feel

underwhelming?

maybe its also the way im feeling them oujt

[mild hamlet]

howdy hey

anybody run everglide stabs?

[gloomy patrol]

those are p much durock stabs

unless you alr have them

skip them

[mild hamlet]

oki doki

just looking for screw ins, i know clip ins are okay, just wanna do something different than i already have

ive read that staebies are some of the best screw ins

[gloomy patrol]

staebies are good

[gloomy patrol]

clip ins are great tho

rn i would say out of top 3 picks for stabs 2 of them are clip ins

it would be odd to deprive yourself of them just to try screw-ins

[mild hamlet]

i have two boards with them already, i havent done screw ins

i just ordered a tofu65 to start building

not even sure what switches or caps im gonna put on the thing yet lol

all i know is i did the carbon fiber plate

[gloomy patrol]

the v2 tofus are nice

[mild hamlet]

i did the black chassis and CF plate, thinking maybe TTC hearts or banana splits, not sure yet

[gloomy patrol]

owlstabs are also solid screwins but if the wire is fucked then you are fucked

qmx stabs seem promising

[mild hamlet]

trying to stick with a dark and earthy theme since my pc is gonna be in the fractal north once i can actually get one

from what ive heard banana splits sound fantastic

[gloomy patrol]

banana splits lowk overhyped

i would just get one of hte many other cheaper jwk recolors

[mild hamlet]

TTC is what im using now, got these after my pok3r with mx blacks died on me

not sure how i feel about them

i had a lot of help with my first build, so this next one is my first real build solo

[dim wasp]

Anyone know if there's something like the claymore 2 with browns available?

[mild hamlet]

the ROG with opticals?

[dim wasp]

A lot of them have opticals, but yes. I'm more looking for one that has a detachable 10 key and volume knob

[mild hamlet]

does it have to be attachable, because you could always go the route of a TKL and a separate numpad, would offer you more flexability and customization

[dim wasp]

I mean no but I'd at least need a matching numpad and the main board would have to have hub functionality

[mild hamlet]

hmmm maybe somebody else knows, i really only mess with 60 and 65% boards, since i just do art so i have no real need for a numpad

[brazen heart]

https://www.theverge.com/22958439/trackball-diy-building-ploopy

oh no, plouffe will soon have a new thing to geek about 🙂

[boreal rivet]

ploopy

[crude hollow]

keychron q3 + q0?

[viscid tapir]

only i do not like about q so i got v is that they sort of push down

when you press hard on them

[gloomy patrol]

flex

so you dont like flex?

[viscid tapir]

maybe not sure how it is called

it sort of feels inconsistent but i hear people like it because of feel i feel like i am on a ship which is on choppy waters

[gloomy patrol]

im too tired to go through flex v bouce rn but escentially its when you push down and it is not as stiff

you get a soft experience where it bows in

[viscid tapir]

yes it is not so stiff like a brick but it is more consistent right

[gloomy patrol]

q is more consistent

[viscid tapir]

or it feels a little mushy

q to v feels a bit more bendy and mushy

[gloomy patrol]

you might percieve v to be more consistent if you equate the solid feeling to consistancy

[viscid tapir]

yes i meant it is more solid and stable

because it does not bend

maybe i would ahve to get used to it

[gloomy patrol]

to each there own

lots of people in this hobby prefer the more solid stiffer typing experiences

[viscid tapir]

i am trying to get used to milky yellow now

[gloomy patrol]

in the end it is all about getting a board that matches your preferences

[viscid tapir]

do you know why so many people prefer them i see them ranked in s tiers

[gloomy patrol]

i would not really go by teir lists

[viscid tapir]

i got milky yellow instead of red

[gloomy patrol]

only diff is spring weight and stem color

they are the same other than that

they are a very very solid pick exp for the price

the sound is nice and full, nice and smooth when lubed

[viscid tapir]

i like them but they feel a little sticks like honey you know they are not as soft as red

also they feel heavier than black

[gloomy patrol]

they might be slightly heavier

[viscid tapir]

i was told they are between red and black

[gloomy patrol]

its 2am for me so the exact weights are slipping my mind

[viscid tapir]

red is 45

yellow is 50

black is 60

70 on bottom

[gloomy patrol]

they shud be lighter than blacks when yea

still in the game of switches most of it is down to preference

[viscid tapir]

lubed yellow feel heavier than unlubed black

[gloomy patrol]

with more money you get more options

[viscid tapir]

well they sound far better than red

but red feel much better for extremely fast typing

[gloomy patrol]

if you went a bit heavier on the lube it might have caused it to get a bit more sluggish

[viscid tapir]

i have bought a pro version

[gloomy patrol]

is the red you are comparing it to also lubed?

[viscid tapir]

so they already came lubed

[gloomy patrol]

icic

[viscid tapir]

i have kailh box red and kailh box black on switch tester

and i have milky yellow pro in my keyboard

and milky yellow pro sort of feel like honey compared to black and red a little more sticky and buttery

[viscid tapir]

no red is not lubed

red and black are not

only yellow is

red and black are like more responsive

[gloomy patrol]

i would try lubing a red and black and comparing

[viscid tapir]

i have never lubed switches

[gloomy patrol]

you prefer the yellow rn right

[viscid tapir]

scared of too much lube

based on sound and feel yellow are far smoother and deeper

but they are a little sticky or heavy for fast typing

[amber tartan]

its actually pretty hard to overlube as long as youre not spreading butter

[viscid tapir]

they feel a little heavier than black ones

[amber tartan]

you just need a good thin coat

[viscid tapir]

i break clips while removing switches so idk how bad i will mess up with lubing

so i thought i would rather buy lubed ones rather than ruin them by lubing too much

and maybe later decide to lube them myself

[amber tartan]

generally lubed ones from pro lubing services are more evenly coated

[viscid tapir]

also they are sticky on the top

like a little blockage on the very top

idk if this is lube or keycaps

because yellow ones in keyboard do that but kailh ones in switch tester do not

does milky version change anything other than sound

or does milky version also change resistance

[boreal rivet]

That’s called binding

[viscid tapir]

which

one

[amber tartan]

its binding

its the switch regardless of lube or caps

it does it for some switches due to housing tolerances

[viscid tapir]

so it is because of an angle or

[amber tartan]

yes

[viscid tapir]

yes all my keycaps are a little angled on these switches

and everyone called me stupid

they said it is impossible

it is quite hard playing games on them

[boreal rivet]

Have you maybe tried contacting Keychron for an rma

Instead of complaining about it here

[viscid tapir]

he just said it is not keychron

yes they said they will not do anything other than give me discount for new switches

[boreal rivet]

I’m talking about your switches not being fitted properly

[viscid tapir]

but they are fit properly

[boreal rivet]

Didn’t you say they’re at an angle?

[viscid tapir]

stems on them are angled

[boreal rivet]

So they aren’t fitted properly

[viscid tapir]

they are like that on all keyboards

[boreal rivet]

🤦‍♂️

Whatever

[viscid tapir]

see they fit in fine

housing sits well on the plate

but keycaps still stand out

[amber tartan]

can you take a picture of the side profile of the board

[viscid tapir]

i have taken both plates off and they are straight after putting them on but keycaps are still like that

also idk why keys have blockage on the very top but then they are smooth

it just feels like a really bad angle

if i put old switches back on they are straight

[amber tartan]

bro thats just the profile

its supposed to pop out a little

[viscid tapir]

people are telling me i messed up something

it is not a lot but it is more angled on yellow than lavender

on lavender angler was 1mm but on yellow angle is 2mm

but why are they so hard to press on top part but not on low part

i would understand the angle but it is a really annoying feature

especially when i use claw grip playing games

idk if this is the angle because some were better than others or just poorly lubed or bad keycaps

but thing is it does not happen on red or black

[twilit flare]

goofy aw keycaps

[real salmon]

My keyboard supports QMK and VIA, how can I change the RGB on each key?
Via has some presets but i just want to set certain keys to solid colours

[viscid tapir]

what is wrong with keycaps

[viscid tapir]

i use via and it works fine to set a solid color out of rgb

[twilit flare]

They look crooked idk

[viscid tapir]

it is because they do not fit those switches well

they sit perfectly on other switches

[twilit flare]

Rip

[viscid tapir]

i do not really care that much they were just 40eur

[twilit flare]

That's a lot

[viscid tapir]

just ordered new double ones for 20eur

most i see are either 30eur or 90eur

stock keychron ones broke for me

what do you mean they look crooked

they are just angled a little because of stems on those switches

[real salmon]

yeah but i dont want that, i want to have my aplpha keys green and my other keys purple

[viscid tapir]

idk if that is a feature but you can program it yourself

i usually put it all to pastel blue

[real salmon]

how do i do that? im very new to via and qmk and just mechanical keyboards in general

[viscid tapir]

sorry i have never tried it but in the app you have a window where you can write your own code try checking git maybe someone already wrote a program

if i understand correctly you want to separately choose colors for keys right

[real salmon]

yes

kinda like razer chroma

[clear panther]

If it's a custom usually with rgb it's not fully per key, but allows you to use the per key effects

[glossy sandal]

nice!!!

[chrome raft]

My beautiful 90s PS/2 ergo keyboard

[gloomy patrol]

i like the food

can i have some

[chrome raft]

wtf is that

[gloomy patrol]

i like the keeb

v pretty

idk what they are on

[chrome raft]

It is a 90s PS/2 ergonomic keyboard

[chrome raft]

w rizsz

[chrome raft]

i prefer a more modern 10kls keeb

[gloomy patrol]

tkls?

[chrome raft]

what ?

[gloomy patrol]

never seen someone type it as 10kl

[chrome raft]

thats what i fucking sed?

[chrome raft]

Thanks 💖

wdf?

do u have autisms

[glossy sandal]

lol

[chrome raft]

ew

keeb

[south pebble]

i think there's a raid <@&750150305383186585>

[chrome raft]

raid

[gloomy patrol]

not the mod ping

[chrome raft]

fr 💀

@tight charm or any mod, could we remove the literal racist remarks please

leave anthony young alone

[glossy sandal]

[south pebble]

thank you mods

i would've appreciated not having to see naked men for the 10th time on this server, but thanks ig

[gloomy patrol]

10th?!?!

[past vortex]

measuring the nanoseconds between click down and click up. 👀

[heady rover]

Any tactile pre lubed switches recommendations?

I like my gateron brown but im too lazy too lube them

Also its gonna be too awkward for me to try to buy lube in any store

[random sleet]

Haha, ironically I just walked in because I wanted a lube recommendation for my gateron lp browns

Does the brand make any difference or should I just go with the cheapest?

[crimson needle]

I really like my „Keychron Gateron G Pro 2.0“, if you are a Gateron user, this may be an Option. The Pro 2.0 are prelubed

[heady rover]

lol i also have keychron board

but k2 one

okay ill probably get myself akko cream yellow v3

though they are linear i like them better than tactile blue ones

[viscid tapir]

they seem to be angled a litt

are those keycaps or switches

[viscid tapir]

also a comparison here with keychron and amazon

idk if it is normal or

[crimson needle]

The Keychron Gateron G Pro 2.0 are available as Blue, Red and Brown.

[opaque crown]

I have a problem with my Logitech Bluetooth keyboard

[sand pagoda]

Keychron any good? I have a Newmen GM610, and I’m not really pleased with the quality

[unkempt dome]

yes they are

[sand pagoda]

I would also consider a 65, or a 75%

[blissful dragon]

budget?

[sand pagoda]

I don’t really have one, it’s theoretical at this point

I just want a quality keyboard at a reasonable price

[blissful dragon]

then id say v1/v2

[sand pagoda]

But which one? F1-F12 might be nice to have again

[blissful dragon]

if you want f1-f12 then get the v1

[sand pagoda]

Ok, is that a 75%?

[blissful dragon]

yes

[sand pagoda]

Thank you, I’m not at my computer rn, so I couldn’t check

I’ll check it out

[blissful dragon]

youre welcome

[glossy sandal]

lux so helpful

[blissful dragon]

😎

[viscid tapir]

i am thinking maybe the top case is not parallel

maybe this is issue with keycaps

[dawn swan]

does anyone know how to fix stabilizer noise squealing/squeaking on spacebar i dont think lubing would entirely take care of it

[gloomy patrol]

wire balance and lube

[gloomy lichen]

Those are Cherry profile keycaps.

[glossy sandal]

bro

[gloomy patrol]

what

[exotic wyvern]

just ordered yellow ks-3s and some lube n shi to hopefully get rid of some of the spring ping in my board

[gloomy patrol]

enjoy

[glossy sandal]

this is a keyboard chat

[devout gorge]

Oh my bad

Sorry

[glossy sandal]

lol

it’s fine

[exotic wyvern]

but

what if you hardline watercooled your keyboard

[oak ruin]

i'm actually thinking about doing my first custom build and wanted to go with a dvorak layout. its slightly custom because of the keyboard layout, but mostly everything is where it should be. thoughts on the layout?

[gloomy patrol]

it...exists

it is a layout

[chrome raft]

The space tho

[oak ruin]

yea everything is 1u. never done an ortho or split keyboard so really going out of my comfort zone on this one

[gloomy lichen]

I really wanted to make a comment on the question but tbh, this one says it all

Though I guess I would add that as a 'first custom' build, I would not recommend either

[oak ruin]

Why is that? I want to make a keyboard but still learning what’s what

[gloomy lichen]

Because building out a board is tedious and tricky for a first timer, DVORAK is an incredibly frustrating layout for anyone to learn, and a 40 style 60 key board is not only nonstandard which requires ortho only caps, it's also just gonna be... annoying to learn. If you haven't built a board before, that's a whole lot of work to go through to end up with a product that nobody else will want that you might not like

Unless you already have lubed switches, ortho caps, and a hotswap PCB and case ready to go, I just wouldn't say it's a great way to introduce yourself to something.

[oak ruin]

Learning Dvorak isn’t the hard part I’m doing that on my own by switching my layout in windows.

But this would definitely be a big task. I’ve soldered small stuff to fix it, but not something this size. Definitely would not be the easiest or fastest thing for me to do

I really do want to try out an ortho keyboard. I’ve seen the pre built iris on keebio maybe I could try that one?

[gloomy lichen]

The Iris is super nice I've gotta say.

That said, I would tend towards suggesting that you find what you like in terms of feel and sound profile before trying to just build yourself your ideal board. It's really easy to fall into the trap of thinking that you made the one board the way you thought you wanted it, then it turns out you actually hate thock

Ask me how I know this

[boreal rivet]

I'm good thanks

[gloomy lichen]

Ok?

[oak ruin]

Yea good point. Never tried ortho so I could just end up hating it lol. I think that’s really the only thing i don’t know. I know most else what I like with caps, switches, tenting, etc.

Oh and I totally misrembered, it’s the nyquist not the iris I was looking at

[viscid tapir]

yes

ofc

[gloomy lichen]

Everyone wants to be a smartass today. That’s what you get for buying cherry profile keycaps from anyone other than GMK, ofc.

[dawn swan]

doesnt gmk also sometimes have defective keycaps with warp in them

or interference with switches facing the wrong way

[gloomy lichen]

Occasionally, and if it does you have them replace it.

[ionic briar]

thats more because of the switch and not because of gmk tho

[gloomy lichen]

Yeah, most modern switches have accounted for the people who do want to use cherry profile on north led boards.

My guess though is that someone buying a $20 set of caps on Amazon is probably not too concerned with R2 interference.

[boreal rivet]

LOL

gmk shills really be like

[glossy sandal]

No way gmk makes mistakes too?

https://preview.redd.it/hc7qj54zeql51.jpg?auto=webp&s=63240ff1789895f8d09d27fa6653318dbace02c7

[vale lagoon]

I recently switched my red switches with browns

[amber tartan]

i would agree that amazons quality is sometimes questionable but gmk is also no way an example

[vale lagoon]

What container or bag should I use to put my switches safely

[amber tartan]

plastic bag from walmart

[dawn swan]

just buy a 30 dollar set of pbt keycaps on amazon and return them if they are warped

[vale lagoon]

So I don't have any broken pins

[vale lagoon]

💀

[boreal rivet]

real example would be cherry dyesub, leopold pbt or taihao FAME

[amber tartan]

also the benefit of amazon is that they have a way faster fulfilment

[boreal rivet]

average keyboard enthusiasts 💀

[dawn swan]

wait 2 years for your gmk keycaps just to get a warped spacebar

[vale lagoon]

plastic bag??? hell no, i don't even have a Walmart in my country

[boreal rivet]

too many caps lmao

[vale lagoon]

any specific container

[boreal rivet]

LTT bot flags the weirdest things

[dawn swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/872694502157090827/1081699768880873582/image.png

"you are exaggerating the warp by holding it like that"

[amber tartan]

no

put them in a jar if your want them to look cool on a shelf

which i did

[vale lagoon]

no broken pins?

[boreal rivet]

imaging still not undergating your molds

20 dollar plastic model kits do that

[dawn swan]

imagine abs keycaps being hundreds of dollars

[boreal rivet]

but we still have sprue marks on $100+ keycaps

[vale lagoon]

The switches i removed has very thin pins

[boreal rivet]

but but its small volume and they need the money?!

certainly not a case of GMK being incompetent/lazy and refusing to design new molds

[dawn swan]

i can see aluminium cnc keycaps costing hundreds or something handmade but not huge orders that have years of waitng

[vale lagoon]

I use 26$ hyperx white pudding keycaps, PBT

works nice

[dawn swan]

there are 25-30 dollar dyesub and double shot PBT keycaps on amazon/walmart/aliexpress/ebay that have no major issues

main complaint i saw with one set is just that the "rgb color is distorted" or something with shinethrough lettering

and thats for a full 100% set with a ton of extra media keys

[chrome raft]

looking for a keeb for 50-70

[brittle ermine]

Logitech g413 SE TKL

@chrome raft

[chrome raft]

k

[blissful dragon]

take a look at keychron v-series

[oak ruin]

Do ortho keyboards need special keycaps since the keyboard is a different layout or do any keycaps work?

[crimson bolt]

Anyone recommend a good budget 60% keyboard?

[glossy sandal]

Keychron v4

[gloomy lichen]

Not that this is relevant but I don't buy or use GMK. That said, you cheaped out and your caps look like shit. Please continue posting pictures and comments showing exactly that then getting butthurt when someone points out the obvious.

[amber tartan]

lol

biggest cope ever

[gloomy patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-panda-popcorn-day-popcorn-time-chew-gif-15437077

[boreal rivet]

You got the wrong guy dude 😂

[exotic wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-noob-rage-angry-distort-gaming-gif-16405159

[chrome raft]

Hello
I wanna ask whats a good wireless keyboard? I was looking at nuphy air

And any suggestions for a mouse to?

[gloomy patrol]

nuphy makes some good stuff for wireless

there is also the kpro stuff

and q pro if you can stretch it

[glass jolt]

looking for advice. i hear this is the place to ask about keyboards...
So i have had 2 mechs, a WASD linear keyboard that no longer works, and this current Logitech g915-TKL, which i love. A few points of what I am looking for
Budget: Prefer under 200 but willing to spend a little more for the right thing but needs to be special
Switches: I prefer clicky, but the wife cant stand them. I think what I need is a linear, which what my last boards were and really liked them. to me, the linear switches on the G915 are nice, but are a little mushy? maybe muddy? I would love a nice tactile feedback but that gets to my next point:
Sound: They board needs to be quiet. which is why I am open to different switch types. which I think linear seems to be the best for? If I could get a good tactile switch that is nice and quiet, i might love that.
Modular/Programmable: I would really like to explore programmable/modular/macro boards with multiple levels. But I am new to that. I also use touch portal so maybe I would be fine without it.
Size: I like the tenkeyless size the most. would be cool with one more compact as well. i just never use the number pad much.
height: i Love low profile boards the most I think. I don't want a keyboard that is super tall. ive had muscle tightness issues with those on the back of my hands before because of that. I don't mind a little height, but things like the new Corsair air low profile keyboard is super sexy to me lol.
Assembly: I am all for kits I can customize to put together, or even a pre-built that is customizable. I love to tinker. But one thing I don't want, is to soldier anything to get it assembled
Form factor: One of my favorite boards was the typematrix 2030 with linear/orthogonal keys. I don't see that much but sometimes do in split boards. which I like the idea of. either with two separate keyboard halves or one board with just split keys.
Usage: I am a software dev so I use it much more for typing than gaming.

I think thats it. Any recommendations?

[chrome raft]

Which would u recommend?
And btw i want em to be silent i dont like clicky ones

[gloomy patrol]

bro went with the i want clickies, will settle for linears, but want a tactile feedback

unfortunally i had multiple recs line until the low profile request

there isn't much really good low profile stuff you don't solder for

if you are will to compromise on the low profile aspect, tiger lite, t1s, nad shenpo would be nice

[gloomy patrol]

q pro would be best but its more expensive than the other two

[glass jolt]

lol i know. i just like the sound of clicky . but for feel, I am just used to linear but am open to try tactile. honestly, which ever is quieter, for wife approval factor. I was just looking at the keychron k3 pro 75% that someone at work said was pretty decent. and they do look nice. and can be hot swappable for a decent price.

[gloomy patrol]

the plain k series is p outdated

are you willing to compromise on the low profile bit

[glass jolt]

a little. i just have tried the taller ones and really don't like them

[dawn swan]

just avoid cherry mx browns or brown clones if you want to try tactile and you liked how clicky switches feel but cannot have the noise

i had atleast 3 different keyboards that had mx brown style tactile switches and they did not have as much tactile feedback as any clicky switch i used

just felt like a linear that had gunk in them

and most of the tallness feel probably isnt the switch but maybe the keycaps used

[glass jolt]

yea. my first mechanical board i really liked but it was taller and made the muscles on the back of my hand sore after a short time typing.

yea being new to this, im not really tied to any one brand. I know cherry mx has the long term name recognition. but i also know theres other great options.

[dawn swan]

i like kailh box switches

out of 3 keyboards ive put them on

not that expensive and should have less stem wobble/be smoother

[boreal rivet]

silenced realforce r1 55g tkl

[pine flower]

I have a question about RGB in terms of switching housing. Does the bottom housing transparency or lack there of affect the RGB? Most Navy switches on amazon (and generally) have a non transparent bottom housing, but the top is transparent.

Example: https://www.amazon.com/Mechanical-Keyboard-Switches-Water-Proof-Compatible/dp/B092DP3WFF/ref=sr_1_2?crid=DDA3W85MBDN8&keywords=Crystal+Box+Royal+Navy+switches+rgb&qid=1678098254&sprefix=crystal+box+royal+navy+switches+rgb%2Caps%2C80&sr=8-2

But i've also found fully transparent navy switches ('cystal navy switches') (https://www.thockking.com/products/kailh-box-jade-crystal-clicky-switches) which has a completely transparent housing. In terms of north facing RGB, does it make a different or any difference at all?

[gloomy lichen]

Not usually, and not in the case of Box Jades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl6ly4W-XLQ

[pine flower]

I don't know how you can tell if these bottom housing are transparent or opaque version lol

[pine flower]

That is so pretty though!

[gloomy lichen]

Opaque bottom housings typically don't affect RGB in modern switches. There are some oddball exceptions with some switches that have inserts where the RGB would shine through, but those are so uncommon that it's barely worth considering.

[pine flower]

Yeah, I heard about something like that in a video before I watched a long time ago but I couldn't figure out how you could tell by looking at them

[gloomy lichen]

Light shines through here.

[pine flower]

ohhh. hmmm

hopefully it won't end up an issue. I'm debating buy amazon switches or going to some site like 'thockking' or something

This is my new secondary keyboard

I don't want to use it until I get new switches and put on my gradient keycaps

[gloomy lichen]

Cherry MX style switches are designed to have the empty slot in them regardless of what brand or material they are. The empty slot is to accommodate an LED diode that has pins through through it on boards that don't have RGB built in, so unless they're a very very very unusual switch that comes with some extra component like the Akko Demon (which even then supports LED, it's just weird), every switch supports RGB because that's what all the molds are shaped for.

Thockking is fine. Amazon is fine if you're buying legit switches, which these days is kinda hard to miss. It's a good looking board and I hope you enjoy it.

[pine flower]

Thank you so much for the information. I tried to google it more specifically, but couldn't find an answer. i just heard over the years in watching keyboard videos that it can be an issue

[gloomy lichen]

Certain switches can have odd problems with Cherry profile caps on north-facing LED boards, plus you'll hear plenty of people complain about north-facing LEDs overall because the RGB isn't as prominent... the mechanical keyboard world is full of quirks and if you want something that's 'just right' for you you'll probably end up experimenting a bit with caps/switches etc.

Happy to help, and I hope it all goes well for you.

[pine flower]

I finally have a hotswappable board so I get to experiment more! I still want to add mil max sockets into my g915, but you know, it's a bit risky and overall tedious

[pine flower]

^_^ it will because I always do the research ahead of time the best I can! I hate returning things

[gloomy lichen]

I haven't dared to play around with adding mill/max sockets but I really haven't had any reason to. Desoldering and soldering is fun too if you like hunching over a PCB for hours. Playing around with new feelings, sounds, and looks is one of the best parts of custom keyboards so even if your preference ends up being different, it's an experience to go through. Enjoy!

[pine flower]

It is fun! I started desoldering switches from first mechanical keyboard (corsair k70 rapidfire with only red rgb) in order to practice mil max sockets

I hate that I can't use cute keycaps due to logitech making modification on the choc stems (logitech 'GL' switches) compared to OEM choc stem. Cute being at a minimuim double shot pbt with translucent edges

[boreal rivet]

use solder wick instead of a pump when desoldering

and thank me later lol

[pine flower]

I bought a pump and I ended up chipping a nail on it. I only teared for a few minutes 🥹

I will take your solution gladly and try that out

I actually haven't touched the dono board since then because of how upset I was LOL

[boreal rivet]

yeah you need a good pump to get barely satisfactory results

i use an engineer pump and still it doesn't always come out clean

[viscid tapir]

i used milky ones

and i use rgb

i used on both

but when i use i have to adapt solid color

[pine flower]

I bought them from a place called 'harbor freight'. They're apparently a meme on how cheap the tools are but was the only place local lol

It worked about as good as what you probably expect .... not good at all

[viscid tapir]

which is better

for start tho

like lubing kit and lubes 105 205

for milky yellows

[gloomy lichen]

I ended up tearing my pumps apart and lubricating to tweak a bit, but yeah, pumps are pretty bad because you've really got to race to suck out any solder while it's still liquid after you take the heat off. Wick is easier to work with but a bit messier.

Of course the answer is to buy a desoldering gun but the only ones that make that much difference are like $300 and I'd rather buy another keyboard for that.

[pine flower]

I have my trusty 40$ soldering station I bought that is ten years old now

It's terrible, but it works for the randoms times I find uses for it

[gloomy lichen]

Basically any soldering station that lets you modulate temperature/wattage is enough to work with keebs. I more meant the dedicated desoldering guns by makers like Hakko which are awesome but way too expensive for people who do a bit of soldering now and then.

[boreal rivet]

replace it with a pinecil

great hobby soldering iron and only 25 dollars

[pine flower]

That was actually my first one. Bought it at some home depot or something. I burned my hand with it because it didn't have an off on switch and my dumbass touched it :')

Ohhhh pinecil is actually a specific brand.

[boreal rivet]

well, a specific model

https://pine64.com/product/pinecil-smart-mini-portable-soldering-iron/

[pine flower]

This look way nicer than my little plastic box that I can't stand half the time lol

[boreal rivet]

no doubt

[stone mesa]

anyone try out the moondrop keyboard?

[serene obsidian]

I haven't, but I like my moondrop IEMs so I might at some point

I came here to inquire about Bluetooth keyboards. My RK61 has really bad connectivity issues and I'm looking for something to potentially replace it. I like my Logitech K380 but would like something with a rechargeable battery so I don't have to worry about carrying around AAA batteries. I was looking at the Logitech MX Keys Mini or MX Mechanical, but am open to other suggestions. I know a lot of people like the Pop Keys but it seems a little, erm, eccentric for my tastes.

[glossy sandal]

Halo65/Air65

Or keychron k pro series

[serene obsidian]

Thanks, these are more in line with my preferences

[glossy sandal]

K pro series doesn’t use dongles btw

just Bluetooth

[serene obsidian]

alright im actually looking for something primarily for phone/tablet use and occasionally on a laptop so that's perfect

[glossy sandal]

kk

[serene obsidian]

thanks

[dawn swan]

is there any way to deal with kailh style sockets completely detatching from hotswap boards besides potting them in epoxy/supergluing them down in place on hotswap boards

if a switch is inserted even slightly at an angle or with a leg that is not 100% straight they have a tendency of just ripping off the pcb

and taking the copper pad and trace with them

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/872694502157090827/1082191463842058261/image.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/872694502157090827/1082191502169612328/image.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/872694502157090827/1082191621753413662/image.png

they also seem very heat and glue sensitive with the plastic kind of getting melty when soldering near them or using original brand superglue

which is how i fixed it when the first socket failed

but that one completely just came off

i mean its like a worse design than cheap hotswaps where its a through hole rivet that gets soldered into the hole for the switch legs

the only thing anchoring them to the pcb is the solder and the two pads

and all the force pushes the pads off if a switch is inserted even slightly wrong

[amber tartan]

its not a lot.

[serene stream]

Man it’s quite clear that when you go back to Cherry MX when you haven’t need to bear the spring Ping for so long…. It becomes all you hear and it’s so loud

[exotic wyvern]

and so it begins

[boreal rivet]

Just short the switch pins directly to the trace

[dawn swan]

the entire pads next to the switches ripped off with the socket so i would have to scrape back the trace and solder to the hair thin copper

probably doing something like this

but it ripped off on the diode side too

and thats a really tiny smd diode

idk how they managed to make the kailh socket design so fragile

i think mill max might be better for hotswap but if its this much of a problem i would rather desolder over this every time i swap switches

desoldering is less painful than having the lottery of one socket blowing out when it feels like it because a switch leg was 2 degrees off center

unless the switch plate is super loose and requires no real pressure to push it in

[boreal rivet]

That’s what I said

[gloomy lichen]

I remember taking the time to lube switches that carefully. Fond memories

[gloomy patrol]

fond?!?!?!

[gloomy lichen]

Well, fond as in the hobby and process being new enough to me

[gloomy patrol]

shii took me hoursss

[gloomy lichen]

Oh for sure, took me for fucking ever to do my first few sets of switches

[gloomy patrol]

ig you might look back on it fondly if you are fast or found it relaxing

i did get through some nice ahh albums in that time tho

[gloomy lichen]

Now I rip switches apart in bulk, toss the springs in a bag, toss the stems in another bag, bases on my build platform that I cut down to just hold those, lube the rails and posts, few drops of thin lube on the springs, a few dabs of 205g0 or whatever other lube I'm using in the stem bag, shake the shit out of it all and roll it around, then throw it all together doing only the top housings individually, and still fast and sloppy

That's if I'm using stock springs to begin with. +-7g springs are bad on their own. +-15g springs will make any set feel like cheap garbage.

[exotic wyvern]

new vs old, new is lubed gateron ks-3 milky yellows, old is unlubed gateron browns

[gloomy lichen]

I don't even need to open that sound test to know that you'll be in heaven with your new switches compared to your old ones

[exotic wyvern]

its so much better lol

[gloomy lichen]

I haven't tried Milky Yellows yet. are they better with film or are they ones that don't even really fit it?

[exotic wyvern]

idk i havent tried films

[amber tartan]

they dont change much since the hosuing of the ks3 is quite fit

[exotic wyvern]

update: bottom 3 rows of keys are done, top 3 rows after i sleep

[glossy sandal]

@amber tartan

you wanted venn, correct?

[amber tartan]

not anymore but go on

[glossy sandal]

extras are instock

https://shop.app/p/7935195873525

@ typeplus

oops

[amber tartan]

cool beans

[amber tartan]

trust me if you really need that 8ms you just have a skill issue

[dusty aurora]

how do you fully remove spacebar rattling? I've lubed both the housing and the wire itself but theres still rattle

[glossy sandal]

have you balanced

the wire

[dusty aurora]

how do I do that

[glossy sandal]

so you haven’t

[dusty aurora]

i'm still very new to this hobby

[glossy sandal]

https://youtu.be/vxHb6CJc9V8

if your wire isn’t straight it’ll rattle whatever you do to it

says on keychron’s website it’s 1ms

[drifting mauve]

north facing leds might be interfering maybe?
But it also could just be a lack of lube

[dusty aurora]

oh wait he put alot of lube 💀

[glossy sandal]

ok cool

[dusty aurora]

on the wire

[glossy sandal]

it’s 1ms

1000hz polling rate

anything over is overkill and milliseconds in difference

all the q series boards have 1ms response times

[glossy sandal]

yeah using a bit more is always better than less for stabs

[dawn swan]

polling rate does not equal absolute latency

[glossy sandal]

also balance because that can be an issue that results in leftover rattle

[dawn swan]

a keyboard can be 1000hz and still have shit latency

if it has a really bad scan rate or debounce algorithm

[glossy sandal]

q series still all have 1ms latency

[dusty aurora]

welp im gonna have to take everything out again

[glossy sandal]

and have fine debounce algorithms

if it affects your gaming for better or worse it’s probably just placebo

[glossy sandal]

ok

[smoky comet]

Keychron sucks major ass

only reason people buy it is its overpromoted on amazon

[gloomy lichen]

No, the reason why people buy Keychron is that they dunked hard on an overbloated market full of subpar 65%-75% custom boards in 2021 and 2022 with products that were 'fine' without modding at all, and were under $200 when $500 75% boards were normal and worse

Oh plus they make other shit to sell on Amazon

[glossy sandal]

good prebuilts have always existed

[dawn swan]

not arguing about the quality of the overall keyboard just saying dont spread misinformation about latency

[glossy sandal]

keychron just set the scene for one of every size and configuration you could want

[gloomy lichen]

It may all be pretty meh but it's the good side of meh

[glossy sandal]

it’s not really noticeable but yeah the advertised 1ms won’t really ever happen

[gloomy lichen]

Not that it ever needs to happen

[glossy sandal]

it doesn’t

[dawn swan]

theres no excuse to have high latency on a wired keyboard

[glossy sandal]

it’s unnecessary

[dawn swan]

when there are 40-50 dollar boards with ~1ms

even if its "placebo" or "overkill"

not really any disadvantage to it

[gloomy lichen]

High latency, sure. But I guarantee that your fingers can't move the difference between 5ms and 1ms

[dawn swan]

the entire point is reducing the overall input lag for something like an fps game if you are corner peaking or strafing

any amount taken off reaction time is worth it

i can agree that above 1000hz is overkill since there are 1000hz keyboards with 1ms input lag but 10-15ms vs 1ms is a much larger difference

[gloomy lichen]

Okay, but uh

How many ms do you think it takes to switch between actuation and off with a movement of the finger

[dawn swan]

about 30-40 if its a fast switch

[gloomy lichen]

And that's very variable by the finger moving at the instant in time

[glossy sandal]

I think that’s all swell but that’s really not everyone’s use case

and if it were then everyone would be buying the lowest latency

which most likely wouldn’t be mechanical

[dawn swan]

for typing you do not notice bad latency unless its a 125hz with one key sent per polling interval aka chord splitting

then if you type really fast you can see letters get delayed

but thats not an issue on 99% of keyboards

[glossy sandal]

isn’t that nkro

[dawn swan]

no

[glossy sandal]

and not polling rate

[dawn swan]

if you press multiple keys at the same time sometimes they are sent across multiple polling cycles instead of all at once

[gloomy lichen]

I'm not arguing that a 50ms board would be acceptable, I'm arguing that the difference between 5ms and 1ms is negligible and would just as easily be chalked up to minute differences in instantaneous finger position

[glossy sandal]

anyways take that with a grain of salt

because of debounce algorithms it’s advertised but it’s a couple ms off

you won’t notice it anyway

[chrome raft]

Whats a good budget 65% keyboard

[heady rover]

u can get smth from keychron, if you are a cheap ass like me that dont minds shipping times, you can buy their keyboards from aliexpress for way cheaper

i got my k2 for like less than 100 bucks

maybe 80

and its really good

depends on the budget tho

there is some stuff from reddragon that is really cheap

[gloomy lichen]

Don't buy anything from Aliexpress if you care if it arrives or not.

[boreal rivet]

imagine buying from aliexpress anyway

taobao is the real good shit

[viscid tapir]

i bought a ton of things from aliexpress and always received stuff

all coiled cables and keycaps came from aliexpress but amazon sent damaged items multiple times

[viscid tapir]

any of these

good

[boreal rivet]

https://www.realforce.co.jp/products/series_gaming_gx1.html

they had to make it floating key and use some shitty font

[pine flower]

Is there really any value in having springs that have a super heavy bottom out?

BOX Crystal Navy – Clicky | 3.6mm Travel | 60g Actuation | 90g Bottom Out
BOX Crystal Pink – Clicky | 3.6mm Travel | 65g Actuation | 55g Bottom Out

Debating between these two switches atm

[autumn raft]

90g bottom out waaayy too much

get the 55g ones

[pine flower]

yeah but the double and thicker click bar in the navy switches are like

[autumn raft]

then spring swap

[pine flower]

I might just do that actually

[gloomy lichen]

90g bottom out springs are fine if you like them, but box style springs tend to measure their actuation force differently then cherry style springs and may be significantly firmer than the latter.

But yes… on average, any given keyboard user is not gonna like the feel of 90g springs

[cold panther]

I have a question, I'm new to keyboards. what's the best/nicest keyboard I can get, mechanical or membrane for under £50.

[cinder anchor]

that’s a pretty tight budget

[cold panther]

its all ive got left from my entire setup budget. i had to cheap out on the monitor to even have this much left

[sleek sable]

That depends, do you wanna build it yourself or get a prebuilt?

[boreal rivet]

Navy has a thicker clickbar for greater tactility, the downside to this is you require a heavy spring to reliably clear the clickbar on the upstroke

Jade has the same clickbar but attempts to use a lighter spring which results in a slower upstroke

I do not recommend spring swapping navies or jades at all, though they don’t really feel that heavy due to how the clickbar works anyway

[smoky comet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/872694502157090827/1082848827318468628/image.png

better be good

[glossy sandal]

imagine trashing on keychron then buying the most overhyped keyboard out rn LOL

[gloomy lichen]

Imagine buying in stock boards at all.

I'm joking by the way. Keeb world is all about preference.

Reds are not great switches in any capacity, they're just the default linear

Most of their customers would beg for the opposite tbh

Depends on what blacks we're talking about.

Unlikely that they'd really be too heavy for anyone to use comfortably but it'd come down to preference

Keychron ships with gaterons normally, which are reasonably light. Do you feel like those are too easy to depress?

[smoky comet]

keychronically online

hurr overhyped

i need something with NO chatter

every keyboard ive had has had chattering

[dawn swan]

any keyboard using mechanical conventional switches with a metal contact in them has the shitty chattering issue and requires the long debounce algorithms

at best they can remove the initial press delay with an eager algorithm so they have an absolute input latency of around ~1ms

but they have a minimum keypress time that it checks for switch chatter of about 5-10-15ms or more

before allowing you to let up on a keystroke

kind of stupid that only a few companies are going with hall effect or optical

objectively better switch technology

ive wasted so much time and money on shit keyboards that chatter

or have bad input latency

[smoky comet]

"overhyped" when its objectively better and new technology with NO chance of chattering and debounce nonsense

the only thing overhyped is the keychron children flockign to the newest plastic keyboard with 15 ms latency

because they can make it thOCCK thOCc ThoCC

pay a premium price for something that comes stock in any 30 dollar budget keyboard

"custom keyboard" effect

[dawn swan]

its because all customs and the custom market they only care about typing/sound and any feature that aligns with "gaming mARketing HYPE" is automatically discarded

technical specifications is secondary or last on the list of priority

[gloomy lichen]

Lol.

[dawn swan]

people would rather spend 200 on gmk keycaps over spending 200 on a better MCU/polling rate/switch technology

[smoky comet]

would rather pay a premium price for top of the line innovative technology instead of "custom keyboard"

pay 40% more for "lubed" placebo soound

stuttering SHIT

[gloomy lichen]

I agree, people shouldn't spend money on things they like when they could spend money on faster response times despite being scrub non-gamers

[dawn swan]

its why the market is flooded with keycaps and 40-65% layouts

and barely any TKL or 100% layouts

and wireless garbage

[smoky comet]

the issue is people recommending keyboards ONLY because of aesthetics or some other bullshit

and chalking up specs to "placebo"

dont worry about it

[dawn swan]

dont worry about it when your keyboard suddenly develops switch chattering and you dont have the tools to repair it

or it breaks in the process of having to repeatedly swap out switches to fix the issue

and then have a wall of replies of "keyboard must be dirty" or some other bullshit when its the switch and firmware being inherently faulty that its even a problem

when there are vintage keyboards that do not even have the issue

like IBM model F

poorly designed modern switches and firmware

[smoky comet]

at least it "thoCcs"

now pay 200$ for pre lubed placebo sound

with the bottom of the barrel PCB they could find

[dawn swan]

i mean ive had more mechanical keyboards chatter than membrane trash that i got at a garage sale even

[smoky comet]

EVERY clicky switch ive ever had has developed chattering

[dawn swan]

not sure how its a "rare" issue and how switches are rated for "50 million keystrokes" and other realistic claims

[smoky comet]

and all the linears ive used have too

especially with corsair

ass keyboard

[dawn swan]

having switch chattering at all slows down my typing speed severely if i have to go back and correct every single double or triple letter occurrence in anything i type

or screws me over if its a game that has keys which can be double tapped for different behavior

[boreal rivet]

The two of you must be the unluckiest people on the planet

[dawn swan]

i have had atleast 3 keyboards that chatter

one or two keys develop it

usually the most used keys

like d/e/w

[boreal rivet]

My point exactly

[smoky comet]

ive had 4 corsairs that chattered and 2 hyperx ones

last hyperx one i used was fully unusable

chattered on every other keystroke

CONSISTENTLY on the same switch too

[gloomy lichen]

Um

Why did you buy the 4th Corsair if the first three did it?

Corsair makes ass keyboards. So does HyperX.

[smoky comet]

my own fault for thinking corsair could make a good product

giving them the benefit of the doubt

[gloomy lichen]

Fair enough I suppose

[smoky comet]

my ducky with blues did too

getting fed up with clicky switches

would rather use linear at this point even if it does feel less satisfying to type on

[boreal rivet]

It sounds like you just have an issue with cherry mx

[smoky comet]

ive used 3 different kailh box switch sets

all of which chattered

had 2 keyboards with box whites that both chattered

and my kailh box pink which im using now

hotswapped

[boreal rivet]

Goddamn

You are seriously one unlucky mfer

[gloomy lichen]

I don't suppose these have all been on the same USB Bus or machine

[smoky comet]

its not luck, switches inherently have chatter

its how good the firmware handles debounce and all that

[dawn swan]

i had the issue with box whites on a hotswap using kailh sockets

replaced the switch with another from the numpad which is used less often

instantly vanished

or if i repeatedly hit a chattering key hard about 10 times it will temporarily reduce or remove the chatter

like its cleaning the switch contacts

[boreal rivet]

Sounds like topre would be perfect for you 👍

[smoky comet]

would rather use a fucking typewrite at that point

instead of constantly chattering inconsistent switches

[gloomy lichen]

So what do you type on right now?

[smoky comet]

evga z15

with kail box pink hotswapped

[gloomy lichen]

You mean the keyboard that was on sale for $40 for like a year straight?

[smoky comet]

yes

best budget board

4000hz and hotswap

[gloomy lichen]

Aren't you complaining about how your board chatters all the time no matter what you do

[smoky comet]

yes whats your point

thats an inherent issue with switches

buying a $200 keyboard wont solve it if if it has the same switches

[gloomy lichen]

Well, maybe if it's chattering all the time no matter what, it's not necessarily the best budget board.

[smoky comet]

ive went through too many to waste my money on another expensive keyboard that will just chatter again

[gloomy lichen]

How many keyboards have you bought over the past 2 years?

[smoky comet]

probably a dozen

[gloomy lichen]

Have they all been as cheap as the EVGA?

[smoky comet]

no

i had a ducky one 2

durgod

a few razors

most of them i ended up returning because of chattering

[gloomy lichen]

So uh

With all of that lined up that way, do you maybe see where there may be some problem with your methodology

[blissful dragon]

g

i like keyboards

[gloomy patrol]

I hate keyboards

Keyboards are some nerd shit

[dawn swan]

you can tell theres an inherent design issue when you have images like this of a single switch activation

with age it only gets worse

the debounce lasts longer

and if you bottom out the switches the contact bouncing is really bad

[gloomy lichen]

You kept buying cheap, high refresh rate, low-quality keyboards made by companies who are well known for QC problems. Neither Durgod nor Ducky make anything near 'custom' quality boards. They make black plastic cases filled with RGB shit. So you hate keyboards and dunk on high end ones because you've literally never tried to pull your head out of your ass and tried one that's not mass manufactured crap.

[smoky comet]

its an inherent fucking switch design flaw

its in every keyboard

cheap or expensive

[gloomy lichen]

Lol okay

[dawn swan]

the only way that companies or individuals making customs can reduce it is by binning switches for non chattering ones and testing every switch on every board before selling and that only stops the out of factory ones

[gloomy lichen]

Just weird that you guys who just show up literally every day to rant about switches are the only ones who even bring it up here, while people who have dropped not substantially more time or money but actually bought good quality products but are super focused on any small problem with their boards don't I guess.

[dawn swan]

they will develop chatter eventualy

[gloomy lichen]

Still, good luck with your $35 board that wasn't selling at MSRP

[smoky comet]

what do you use

apparently the highest end shit on the market

[gloomy lichen]

Ikki68 Aurora R2 Zen Pond, $190 for the special version. NK Creams I got from the NovelKeys mystery bags first round. Japanese Seiki springs, 62g, +-1g. Drop+MiTo MT3 Camillo keycaps, bought on BOGO sale with the Dasher kit.

[smoky comet]

200$ for stickers on your keyboard

money well spent

[gloomy lichen]

Weirdly the Bakeneko65 I built for my wife with NK Box Creams and Akko Samurai caps doesn't have that problem either, and we are constantly typing.

That may be but at least I'm not showing up to bitch about how my superior high polling rate keyboard sucks ass every day, and that must mean that all boards are bad

If you guys think you're even remotely close to having any sort of special or competent knowledge about keyboards, you've got it bass ackwards.

[smoky comet]

didnt say that

i said all switches inherently have chatter and specs should be considered instead of fully aesthetics

im not the one preeching my $300 sticker anime keyboard is immune to chatter because its custom

[gloomy lichen]

Aesthetics are a consideration that I make, but then, they're also a consideration I make when I buy clothes, too. I use the effectively $55 MT3 caps because they're very comfortable under my fingertips and combine to make a very nice sound in combination with the long pole NK creams - which I paid $15 for. I spent $10 on an amazon order and swapped springs to something with +-1g of tolerance because it makes all my keys feel the same.

The $190 Zen Pond was something I liked but came with an aluminum top housing and stabs included, which made it a weirdly better deal than the base models of the Ikki68 Aurora R2 which everybody knew was going to be good because the R1 was good.

It's also been about 10 months since I built this board and I still like typing on it, which I do extensively every day, and my autistic ass is not driven crazy by dropped or doubled keystrokes because those don't happen. So, yes, money well spent sounds about right.

I'm not saying my board is immune to chatter. I'm saying that I don't experience it.

But please continue with your trend of having bought a dozen boards in the past couple years and saying that all mech boards are shit, I'm sure it'll eventually turn around for you

[gloomy patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/list-amazinggrace-court-watching-scroll-gif-13488308

[gloomy lichen]

Weird, all that to scroll through and I didn't run into a single bit of chatter

Also, “anime” lol

[gloomy patrol]

Rq you are saying all switches will chatter with use right

[gloomy lichen]

Nah, Vit is saying that all switches chatter constantly

[gloomy patrol]

My anime keyboard would never

Vit have you tried throwing on anime stickers? That might help

[gloomy lichen]

Oh oh, you could use the lewd anime keycap set

That gives you +5 frames and a boost to teenage irony

For the record, Ducky and Durgod both suck ass. It's why they're so many people's first 'real' mech keyboards and they immediately want something better because they pushed some overpriced piece of shit marketed as 'budget' as far as it would go and it wasn't any good, even though they probably spent more trying to make it work than I did on my Ikki.

[dawn swan]

what is the difference between one of the keyboards that "suck ass" and a custom in terms of the PCB, MCU, and firmware because it seems to me like the only thing people can claim is better is how they sound or look or something

seems like the custom pcbs usually have much higher latency when someone actually measures them and up until recently many are not even at 1000hz by default

unless you screw with QMK to change the debounce algorithm and polling rate

its not a priorty and the people developing the pcbs and firmware for customs even stated that its not a priority to have low latency and good technical specifications

they care about how it sounds and looks above all else

i flashed a keyboard with QMK firmware just to have it actually become slower than it was stock even though it was a brand that "sucked ass"

[smoky comet]

fully ignores graphics showing debounce and just writes a novel about how his overpriced soy keycaps feels. no point trying to reason with "custom keyboard enthusiasts"

falls on deaf ears

like pulling teeth

[gloomy lichen]

You know I really should have just blocked you two idiots instead of talking, but I like talking keyboards because I build ones that don't make me miserable. However, now that I have talked, I can also learn.

[smoky comet]

write another paragraph about how your keycaps feel or how your spring swap is revolutionary

all you're good for

meanwhile being on the same "ass keyboard" pcb every custom keyboard uses

thoCC THOCc though am i right

[gloomy patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/trolling-anime-me-after-a-long-day-gif-25970094

[cunning anvil]

what in the worm is going on in here lmao

[unkempt dome]

Don't know ... gamer latency chill or something like that

don't care enough to get involved or to even read all of that ...

[gloomy lichen]

A more friendly keyboard discussion than your average r/mk thread

[boreal rivet]

Two parties with equally flawed arguments plus ad hominem

[gloomy lichen]

That's what I said isn't it

[boreal rivet]

Eh nah

Unless rmk has degenerated to that point then sure

[gloomy lichen]

In my defense I was being as magnanimous as I could manage to reflect on it that way when I disagree so vehemently with both your assessment of it and the other guys'. I don't spend time on r/mk and haven't in a year or so.

[pine flower]

Thanks for the info. ^_^ It was really helpful

[boreal rivet]

👍

[pine flower]

I had never heard of this before. Good thing to consider

[gloomy lichen]

It's kinda weird. I bought a set of 70g box style springs and I can barely depress them fully, whereas I'm extremely comfortable on 80g cherry-style springs. Not something that really gets talked about much, but I would agree overall that the switches referred to there don't need spring swaps anyway.

[pine flower]

I feel like no matter what I order, I'll end up ordering more and in 2-3 years I'm going to have several sets -.-

[gloomy lichen]

Sure.. 2-3 years

[sleek sable]

How do yall feel about electric capacitive keyboards

[boreal rivet]

good, better than mx

[sleek sable]

Really?

I thought they lacked any real sound that would be seen on a keyboard with linears.

[boreal rivet]

I exclusively index for key feel

the only time I care about sound is if the stabs are annoying

[sleek sable]

That's true. I think that the sound matters in my own personal preference, but I do think that the feel does matter a lot and switches that sound good typically don't feel the best

[boreal rivet]

though fyi the IBM model F is also an EC

[sleek sable]

Yeah

I ha very a 60 percent board that unfortunately has blue clicks switches, and it isn't hot swap

[stone mesa]

kk need some help looking for a decent wireless keyboard (tkl or or samller but not too small) thats not gonna break the bank mainly gonna be used to log in and brows on my home theater pc and maybe some light gaming but mainly gonna game using controler as its gonna be for single player games

[sleek sable]

K, do you want mechanical or membrane

[opaque shard]

Bleh, post processing my 3D prints is taking more effort than I was hoping

[sleek sable]

Also, any good wireless mechanical board is at least 40 dollars, what's your general price email range

[stone mesa]

mechanical sorry thought i said that my bad lol

[sleek sable]

Ok

[stone mesa]

and preferably less than 100 but 120 is max im willing to spend on the setup keyboard wise so if i cant find anything cheeper ill settle lol

[sleek sable]

https://a.co/d/fnp7IIp

If your willing to upgrade with some DIY mods and new switches and keycaps this is a good one

[stone mesa]

depending on the mods needed i can i dont know much about diy on keyboards

[sleek sable]

I recommend cheking out Hipyo Tech's channel, he has good vids on updating cheap Amazon boards

[stone mesa]

what switches and keycaps would you recommend i know how to swap them atleast lol

will do

[sleek sable]

Depending on the socket(the amazon one i sent is a normal socket i think) i would recommend updating to akko cream v3 yellow switches (or really any linears or tactiles, your personal preference) and probably keeping the keypads, if you do switch them, I would buy some double shot ones on etsy or amazon

The switches are the most important and I recommend you look up sound test for them, do you want quiet switches, thocky sounding switches, or normal clicky gaming switches?

[stone mesa]

quiet

[sleek sable]

OK, do you want noticeable feedback from the switch when pressing it or fully silent switches that have very little to no feedback

[stone mesa]

yea i still want feed back i was trying to say thay but it felt weird to say lmfao was gonna say quiet but still want feed back

[sleek sable]

The Gateron silent red or black switches are quiet but still have some feedback from pressing

[stone mesa]

im so new to this side of keyboards lol usually just buy some name brand thing

[boreal rivet]

topre

get a realforce for the regular layouts or a hhkb for 60%

[sleek sable]

OK, well My recommendation is to get the board I sent a bit ago and customize it with your preferred switches or the ones I recommended and keep the keycaps unless you really want to replace them

[stone mesa]

alright

[sleek sable]

How new are you to keyboards if you don't mind me asking?

[stone mesa]

ty for the help

[sleek sable]

Your welcome

[stone mesa]

this will be the first ever keyboard i do a full switch swap on ive had to replace a switch or 2 on some buddies keyboard simply bc i am the tech guy and they didnt know how so i watched a youtube video on

only personaly owned razer keyboard myself

next board for my main rig ive been eyeing the moondrop board they just came out with

so very new lol

[sleek sable]

Yeah

Is your razer board hot swap?

If so you could save money by swapping out those switches and getting g new key caps

[stone mesa]

i dont think so

razer huntsman tournament edition

[sleek sable]

Ok

I made the mistake of buying a board that wasn't hotswap, I regret it to this day

[boreal rivet]

just learn how to solder

[stone mesa]

https://drop.com/buy/moondrop-keyboard-dash

gonna grab this fpr the main rig and switch up the headset i use

[boreal rivet]

try and get a proper headphone like the hd650

the built in dac is wasted on some gaming branded ewaste

[stone mesa]

oh im not getting gaming ill be moving my old gaming headset over to my travel righ

i got recommend a good headset to grab a while back im gonna grab i forget the name ill have to look it up again later

[boreal rivet]

almost every gaming headset is pretty much trash though, outside of a few exceptions

[stone mesa]

yeah i do really like the set i got rn but i agree ive listened to some high end shit now and wow

my buddy daily drives hifiman arya

endgame set up lol

[boreal rivet]

it wows at first listen but its nothing special imo

[stone mesa]

@sleek sable whats the difference between gateron red and black?

[sleek sable]

Less actuation force on the reds

[stone mesa]

https://drop.com/buy/moondrop-g-square-mechanical-switches?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=13152554043&utm_term=124063410679&utm_content=533691705830&utm_keyword=&utm_placement=aud-1403235883886%3Adsa-1388307971188&utm_network=g%3Am%3A%3A&utm_device=&mode=shop_open&gclid=Cj0KCQiAgaGgBhC8ARIsAAAyLfFOfhmUX2in0A5Z_Bb0WvSzu1LSszZpw2jPZmLmTPm9Uz6kQtC13uYaAsRwEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds&defaultSelectionIds=973964

wonder if these would work so i can have the same switches on both boards lol

about the same price as the gaterons

[dusty jungle]

I took the to good to be true bullet and i got the actual thing

I took it because free shipping

Bought it for 30$

I have no idea why he listed it for that cheap

Cheeper than the mouse even

And its new not box sealed

[stone mesa]

got the keyboard had a coupon fpr 3 dollars off wooot and Amazon next day delivery lets go

[sleek sable]

Sick