peripherals

[eternal wraith]

also whenever i see the name norbaforce my mind immediately goes to morbius

[ionic briar]

hmm, nothing wrong tbh
i suggest building one without case foam?
topre is not ass sounding like most mx switches that you need foam to mask it out

[eternal wraith]

i mean, yeah

i only have a topre because i want something that isn't going to annoy my family or friends but still feels great

ill test both configs but i have a feeling ill like the foamed board a little more. @ionic briar

[boreal rivet]

Norbs are ass for what you pay anyway

[sweet thunder]

https://youtu.be/glQNEbh79xg&t=180

Wooting did it again

https://youtu.be/1WNI-f6QDPQ

[ionic briar]

i think its more like, they did it. now the channel that are not as niche as chyrosran22 finally caught up to it

[sweet thunder]

The second video is from 4 years ago

Did it again as in competitive advantage again

Chyrosran was more about it being contactless and not mx

[ionic briar]

fair enough

[sweet thunder]

I remember when the wooting Lekker came out they were allegedly banned from OSU tournaments for being unfair

[boreal rivet]

Wooting incredibly based

[eternal wraith]

figured, it's a flex product

[sand scarab]

Any keyboards recommendations that are similar to Akko's?

Something 60% and that has very silent keys?

[unkempt dome]

And why not akko ?

[eternal wraith]

akko

[sand scarab]

It's a bit expensive

[eternal wraith]

Well, you get what you pay for.

[sand scarab]

The keyboards are around 100-150 but the shipping puts everything at around 200$

[eternal wraith]

Never mind-

[sand scarab]

Yeah no doubt they are good quality but I was just wondering if anyone knew any alternatives

[latent blaze]

well you could get something like the rk61 or a keychron, and then swap in silent switches and pretty keycaps

[latent blaze]

akko is commonly one of the budget recommendations, it sucks that shipping etc is so expensive for you

what budget are you going for?

[sand scarab]

Around 100-150 shipping included (canadian)

I'm not difficult I really just want a nice 60% keyboard that has silent keys with rgb if possible

[spark hatch]

like keychron. rk

not as fun color ways and stuff but they're cheaper boards

still good quility tho

[spark hatch]

might be alittle out of budget but a nice option would be keychron q4 and then buying silent switchs and keycaps of your choice

https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-q4-qmk-custom-mechanical-keyboard?variant=39886081228889

oh wait thats quite abit out of budget, sorry my bad I read that wrong
you could get rk61 or https://www.keychron.com/collections/60-layout-keyboards/products/keychron-k12-wireless-mechanical-keyboard?variant=39299048243289

again, would have to buy silent switches and swap them out but that should be in budget with those

[sand scarab]

Thank you for your time

& recommendations

I'm using a membrane keyboard right now and I like the feedback of the tactile and the low noise (not clickly or annoying or too loud)

Do you have any recommendations to which keycaps and lubricate or a kit to use to swap them?

Here's how it sounds like

[latent blaze]

for lube you would probably like krytox 205g0 but if you get a tactile switch and want to keep the tactility strong then maybe tribosis 3203/3204

[sand scarab]

Have you personally tried the akko jelly switches?

I've heard the lubed pinks and purple as well as black they sound nice

[latent blaze]

i havent yet personally but i know they are pretty dang good budget switches, do you want actual silent switches or just quietish?

for silent i really recommend the gazzew boba U4 silent

[spark hatch]

yes

[latent blaze]

nice tactile bump, very quiet

[spark hatch]

im using jelly blacks rn

[latent blaze]

jelly purple is a pretty light switch is all i would say, though many prefer that

[sand scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CorB0q9QImw

This is like perfect sound for me

[spark hatch]

so not silent, just not clicky

also I dont think you can get that sound with your budget

[sand scarab]

How much are we looking for, for that sound?

I could comfortably put around 200$ if that keyboard will last me a bit

[spark hatch]

thats an aluminum keyboard, if you treat it well it should last quite afew years

pretty sure thats the tofu65

[sand scarab]

https://kbdfans.com/collections/tofu65/products/fully-assembled-tofu65-gray-soldered-mechanical-keyboard-with-np-pbt-grey-and-blue-keycaps

I think I found it or something similar. What settings would you recommend?

[spark hatch]

personally wouldnt get the tofu, its a kinda dated board and theres better options out there now

[sand scarab]

I see. Is it better to buy the

And then buy the keys and caps myself?

[spark hatch]

thats a completed differnt board

but yes you'd have to buy the keycaps your self with that board

what do you think of that sound?

[sand scarab]

It sounds nice I just don't like the "clickyness" of it

But it is quiet indeed

I like a deeper THOC or something creamy

[spark hatch]

yea its a clacky board

[sand scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-11i5AOVUng

Like the before and after of this

I really like the end result sound

[latent blaze]

for good “thock” youll probably need to at least some modding, (lubing, tape, foam etc)

[spark hatch]

ofc you do

[sand scarab]

Yes I will watch a few tutorials on that for sure

[latent blaze]

I think watching some videos from hipyo tech could benefit you

He has a lot of guides and such and he likes the thock

[plain lion]

Anyone know where I can pick up an EVGA Z15 with linear switches pre-installed here in the UK? Can find it on Amazon but only via sketchy third-party sellers etc

Amazon themselves only seems to sell the clicky variant over here, Amazon US sells it but that's a US layout obviously

[chrome raft]

my old daily but sounds leagues better than my new one

i might go back to using this one because the quality is just so much better

[latent blaze]

Have you checked evga direct

[plain lion]

Yeah, seems to be the best option rn, they don't have a UK site with £GBP but they have an EU site where the pricing is in euros and it seems to be the same board

Yeah, just checked

I've found better prices on it but hey ho

Conversion considered it's around £90GBP

[latent blaze]

yeah no dont pay that

z15 is only good at the sale price of like 30-40$

[unkempt dome]

I have the purple jelly ... they feels nice but prefer the lavender purple feeling ... btw I don't care about the sound, just feeling

[onyx summit]

i wonder whats the cheapest keyboard kit that you can get

[raw geode]

What's a good base keyboard for artisan keycaps?

Brown and full preferably

[vagrant blade]

are cherry mx browns any good

?

[spark hatch]

budget?

[raw geode]

No budget

[spark hatch]

all preferance, but over all they're pretty bad

[spark hatch]

https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-q6-qmk-custom-mechanical-keyboard?variant=39990023913561

[raw geode]

Thank you

[unkempt dome]

Unikorn then

[spark hatch]

^

[sand scarab]

@spark hatch https://www.amazon.ca/EPOMAKER-Swappable-Mechanical-Dustproof-Waterproof/dp/B08BBZK6DB?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1

What do you think of this? It's the same makers of the Akko I think

[spark hatch]

its not the same makers

[sand scarab]

They sell the akko keyboards on their store page I'm not totally sure

Ah I didn't know that

[spark hatch]

yea tehy jsut sell akko boards, they dont make them

[sand scarab]

But yeah this is a bit of a bummer I can't find 61 key kits

Only like 41

I wanted to switch them for pink jellys

[spark hatch]

have tou looked at rk61?

[sand scarab]

it's only bluetooth?

[spark hatch]

no?

its wirered

and 2.4ghz

and bluetooth

[hot geode]

uhh can someone help me

im trying to mod an rk87 into sounding really thoccky but like not that loud

but idrk what to do to it kinda new to this whole keyboard thing

[sand scarab]

I'm really a noob at this whole keyboard modding but I've checked out a few videos.
I think that lubbing your switches and choosing the right switches as well will affect the sound. I think that keyboard comes with brown switches which is fairly quiet from what I've heard in videos.

You might consider adding O-Rings to make them quieter as well

[unkempt dome]

Oring are meh at best

[sand scarab]

This lube is by far the most recommended one I've saw on forums

[unkempt dome]

Also same comment for cherry mx

[sand scarab]

Yes there's so many switches tbh I would be extremely hard to put them all in a single chart

But do they all universally act the same? I'm taking about colors

For example akko red switches vs cherry red, do they sound somewhat similar and have a similar feel with a few minor differences

[unkempt dome]

Not really tho

[latent blaze]

if you want quiet thock DO NOT get a cherry mx switch

[sand scarab]

What would you recommend Beanz

[unkempt dome]

If you want thock get a nylon housing

[sand scarab]

It's really fascinating there's so much so learn about keyboard modding

Everything from case , to lube , to foam , tape, switches

[unkempt dome]

Also thock is not a proper word to describe the sound of a switch ...

Later about that if someone is interested

[latent blaze]

you want to get plate foam and board foam, lube, film your switches and get a nice linear meant for it, im tactile gang so idk what the best “thocky” linears are rn

[latent blaze]

I mean imo it sounds pretty similar to the word as far as onomatopoeia goes or whatever its called

[sand scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DsZJ1k9WEs

Does this is what is referred as a thoccy sound?

Like a deep sound

Not clickily

[latent blaze]

yeah, usually “thock” is a bit deeper than that but yeah

[boreal rivet]

the genesis of a "thocky" sound is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SodlXpa3qjg

nothing else comes close

[hot geode]

tysm

[hot geode]

im budget limited and was thinking of using caulkt to add to the base to do some sound dampening but some people have really mixed opinions on it and some say it can damage ur pcb and idrk if i should try using caulk or just sticking with regular sound dampening foam

[sand scarab]

You know personally I like the video I sent before yours. What do you think?

[boreal rivet]

nothing much

[sand scarab]

It sounds deeper, more quiet and creamy

[boreal rivet]

i personally dont care about how my keyboard sounds

[sand scarab]

Are you going for a tactile feeling and resistance?

[boreal rivet]

but just saying, the video i posted is what "thock" originally meant

god knows what it means now

[sand scarab]

I see thanks man

[sand scarab]

What's your budget in USD?

[hot geode]

uh

[latent blaze]

How budget limited?

[hot geode]

lemme do a quik conversion

[sand scarab]

I'm trying to find some good keyboards that are pretty cheap so I can just mod the switches and just lube them, probably add tape and foam and call it a day

[hot geode]

around 90 bucks w/o keycaps

im still thinking of caulk but idw to ruin the kb

[latent blaze]

you already have the board right

[hot geode]

yes

i am using it rn

[latent blaze]

so 90 bucks for modding and switches?

ill look for you

[hot geode]

no i alrdy spent a bit on the kb

$55 on the kb

so just $35 budget lef

[latent blaze]

ok

that changes things immensely lmao

you have the reds right?

[hot geode]

ye soz for misinformation

yes

[sand scarab]

I've done a bit of research the past few days for my own keyboard that I'm trying to mod.
A nice metal keyboard is around = 40-50$
The lube = 10-20$
Akko jelly switches 40pcs = ~25-30$
Tape = free
Foam = free

I think I can make a decent little project with all that

[hot geode]

so we're veering off the caulk mod possibilities?

[latent blaze]

i wouldnt caulk the board

[sand scarab]

Oh I don't know what that means

[hot geode]

caulk is like this resin like sound proofing rubber?

for walls and stuff

[sand scarab]

I just don't want to do any soldering I'm afraid I'll fuck up my keyboard

[hot geode]

cos of pcb damage or just general discretion

[latent blaze]

Idk much about caulk and how it would work in a keyb tbh so im not gonna recommend in case its dangerous

[hot geode]

ah ic

cos like ic some people using 2 part epoxy rubber to sound proof their kb

like they add the tape and then the rubber too

[latent blaze]

yeah ive seen like resin and rubber molds and such i just dont know enough about the chemical properties of caulk

[sand scarab]

This is a cheap membrane keyboard that I've lubbed and added foam

I think it sounds pretty good tbh for my first ever "modding"

[hot geode]

how do you mod a membrane :O

[latent blaze]

Id look into tape mod, get lube like 205g0 and lube your switches and stabilizers, see if any friends have any foam lying around

band aid mod lube and clip your stabs

[sand scarab]

I literally just used industrial grade lube and added foam under the board case

[hot geode]

anyways for now i think the most satisfying sound is like just pretend typing on a large mousepad

it sounds pretty goood ngl

[sand scarab]

Thank you man

[hot geode]

see heres the thing

[latent blaze]

You can also just buy foam for like less than a dollar

[hot geode]

i found some people that use tape on the stabs

and some that use tape on the housing of the stabs

but never both

and im really confused for both scenarios

[hot geode]

i have some PE foam but just thing enough for top of pcb

[latent blaze]

you put bandaid or medical tape on the housing and the pcb

[hot geode]

im sticking with tape mod

[hot geode]

so both..?

[latent blaze]

here ill send a vid

[hot geode]

damn this some tedious stuff

[sand scarab]

Actually it wasn't even lube it was some grease

[hot geode]

damn

[sand scarab]

Not sure if that will fuck my keyboard lmao

[hot geode]

i wonder if i could use hair gel

or vaseline

[sand scarab]

Do some research if it will damage the plastic / metal in the long term

[hot geode]

hmmmmmmm

[sand scarab]

NO VASELINE!

[hot geode]

y not

[sand scarab]

Lmao I've did some research on that

It will fuck your plastic

[hot geode]

yea but my chemistry knowledge tells me it wont

[sand scarab]

Let me check again but I've seen a few people not recommend it

[hot geode]

soft parrafin is only a branch of the fractions off crude oil

[boreal rivet]

just dont use any lube until you can afford it please

[hot geode]

which last time i checked does not react with any polymers that are involved in the switches

so................

[boreal rivet]

vaseline would make the switch feel like shit anyway

one small tub of lube is like 10 bucks

[hot geode]

ok yea

ship it over here

[sand scarab]

I mean hey if you really short on budget and don't care about the "health" of your keyboard then go for it

[latent blaze]

Vaseline breaks down the plastic

[hot geode]

how though

i dont.. get it?

[latent blaze]

Use dielectric grease

[hot geode]

ok yea

i can get that

that works?

i thoguht only for stabs we use di-electirc

[latent blaze]

Ye

we talkin switches?

[sand scarab]

It can degrade plastics

[hot geode]

so how about switches

[latent blaze]

use lube for switches

[hot geode]

y not grease

it works too right?

just sounds ass?

[latent blaze]

Too viscous i think

[sand scarab]

I've used grease it works pretty well for membrane keyboards

[hot geode]

im planning to replace my reds with blacks in the near future and just need something that works lmao

[latent blaze]

Ok, so the tape on the housing of the stabs is called holee mod iirc and bandaid mod is on the pcb

its tedious as fuck but worth to do both

[hot geode]

i c

will do then ty :)

also can some1 check for me if i can do a 2 part epoxy rubber mod on my rk87 cos i just found some lying around in my garage

[boreal rivet]

dont use dielectric grease either

its too thick

[hot geode]

ok i dont trust that

cos ive seen many ppl use di-electric grease

[boreal rivet]

yeah on fucking stabs lol

[hot geode]

.

[boreal rivet]

not switches

[hot geode]

yea we talking abt stabs here

not switches anymore

also calm ur language pls :) no need to get aggressive

[boreal rivet]

ah okay misread

[hot geode]

npnp

:)

[boreal rivet]

anyway yeah grease is fine, everyone just thinks it isnt now because there is a more expensive option

[hot geode]

hmm shd i do krytox then or g lube

[boreal rivet]

whichever is cheaper

[sand scarab]

Just curious what about this?

[hot geode]

...

ive read many things about the dangers of those to pcbs

also spray lubing causes overlubing

most of the time

so i think its bad

idrk

ppl said it and this is outside my area of expertise so yea

[sand scarab]

Ah same problem as Vaseline

[hot geode]

hmmm

i mean also that wd-40 is kinda of like

spray lube material

and also overlubing

and also evaporation

[latent blaze]

its not viscous enough

[sand scarab]

I use wd-40 on my car lol

For keyboards is not good I guess

[latent blaze]

so for the short time it isn’t evaporated it wont even help

[sand scarab]

Yes true

So a good lube is not liquid, lasts long, doesn't damage plastic

[boreal rivet]

oil isn't that viscous and its still a good option for lube

[cinder coral]

used ky jelly on my gateron horny king switches.

[midnight escarp]

Hello, can anyone recommend me a good sounding stock keyboard, with a hotswap pcb and iso-de layout? (Available in Europe, obviously) Max Budget: 150 €

[unkempt dome]

You can have 20 different sound and it will all be thock ... thock doesn't mean anything

[unkempt dome]

If.it's petroleum based then yes ... it will melt plastic

[sand scarab]

Ended up going for the SK61

[latent blaze]

Wait those are optical switches, you might not be able to put regular switches instead

unless that board supports both idk

[sand scarab]

I think it's fine for now. I'll probably buy another more expensive keyboard when this one dies I guess

[latent blaze]

Yeah i think you can only do other gateton opticals with that ( not my favoritr line of switch personally

also idk how easy lubing etc is with opticals, i mean its a completely different technology

[sand scarab]

So I can't replace the gaterons with some akko's jelly?

[latent blaze]

No you cant

[sand scarab]

Aww that sucks

[latent blaze]

a keychron board is a good buy thats hotswap at that price

maybe rk61, thats cheaper tho

[sand scarab]

What was your keyboard you showed me last time?

The white one

[latent blaze]

Uh i dont remember, rk61 comes in white i know

[hardy grove]

A 20$ keyboard with 20$ keycaps💀

[sand scarab]

Looks good. Can you do a sound test for us?

[hardy grove]

its gonna be bad but they are outemu blues

[sand scarab]

I don't like the blues they are too clicky and loud but I still want to hear it

👌

[hardy grove]

lemme try that with ma phone

@sand scarab here ya go

sorry for the bg noise lmao

[latent blaze]

Actually sounds better than i expected

[hardy grove]

i dont know what i should do about the spacebar

it sounds very off compared to other keys which is expected but still

[sand scarab]

Sounds good man tbh I thought I would cringe at the blue sound but that one sounds very nice

That space bar tho

[latent blaze]

you can try flipping the spacebar upside down

[sand scarab]

it does like a T-SK sound

[latent blaze]

also theres the bandaid mod, holee mod and lubing that you can do

on the stabilizer

[hardy grove]

i did try that but it made it really uncomfortable

[sand scarab]

Did you lube it?

[latent blaze]

yeah some profiles dont like that

[hardy grove]

nope

[hardy grove]

its oem profile from hyperx i think

[sand scarab]

I think lubing it would make it sound better if you don't want to swap the stabilizers

[hardy grove]

ok so lube it is

[sand scarab]

or for the keys, o-rings would make it more quiet and mushy

[hardy grove]

this was before the cap wap

[hardy grove]

i kinda want it sound like the other keys or as close as i can get

the first time i ordered the same in red switch variant and i hated it

heres the listing

[latent blaze]

o rings usually dont do almost anything

[latent blaze]

or they make it worse

[hardy grove]

i would like to try the lube way, many have suggested that

[sand scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmQKM0reVx8

Double o-rings on keys make it more quiet

[hardy grove]

i also wanted to pair this up with a white mouse but except the deathadder none were in my budget lmao
ended up getting the g502 as my first💀

[latent blaze]

makes it feel like a membrane

[sand scarab]

Yes it's really nice

[latent blaze]

orings are bad for mechanical keyboards

[sand scarab]

I like those personally

Why is that?

[hardy grove]

that time i had a 10$ mechanical feel keyboard

[latent blaze]

https://youtu.be/ZgZPuLKA9B4

[hardy grove]

honestly i dont like the idea of o rings even though im hearing about it for the first time

makes me remember about the rubber washers in moving parts

[sand scarab]

It's fine some people don't like them, I personally really like them

[latent blaze]

yeah so they basically take the whole point of a mechanical keyboard go out the window, so if you prefer membrane just use membrane not converting a mech into a membrane

[sand scarab]

Membrane keyboard lubed with foam

[hardy grove]

no way

[sand scarab]

Yup

It's not even lube I keep saying lube but it's industrial grade grease

[hardy grove]

i have never heard a memb anywhere close to that

[sand scarab]

😉

It's a really cheap reddragon too

[hardy grove]

cycle grease

[sand scarab]

What?

[hardy grove]

oh a reddragon

must be elevated

[hardy grove]

This stuff

[sand scarab]

Yeah mine is a bit more honey color but similar consistency

[hardy grove]

yeah its just because of my lighting

[sand scarab]

But I grease the fuck out of the space bar key

[hardy grove]

its heavy duty bicycle grease

[sand scarab]

Before it did an annoying clickily sound

[hardy grove]

mine does the annoying squeak

[sand scarab]

Yeah get that grease on a soft paintbrush and get to work

You can always clean it if you don't like the sound of it

[hardy grove]

i'll try a video

btw can you quick explain to me about anti ghosting keys

[sand scarab]

Keys that don't fade?

[hardy grove]

ohhhh

[sand scarab]

Like the "WASD" doesn't fade away after a lot of usage

[hardy grove]

okkokk now i get it

i thought it was some electronic feature

[sand scarab]

Wait you're right actually

My bad

[hardy grove]

ahh np

[sand scarab]

Why does your keyboard ghost?

[hardy grove]

look at this💀

[hardy grove]

nahh

[sand scarab]

19?

Jesus

That doesn't sound like a lot but when are you ever going to press 19 keys at the same time?

[hardy grove]

taran moment

[sand scarab]

That's pressing all those keys at the same time lol

[hardy grove]

that keyboard is really trash

i had that

its about 12$

[sand scarab]

Lmao

That reddragon is my first purchased keyboard. I've only used the keyboards that came with my prebuilds

And in 2 days I'll get my first real mechanical keyboard

[hardy grove]

ohhh which one you getting?

[sand scarab]

This one

[hardy grove]

optical? the analog type ones?? cooooool

[sand scarab]

Yes I'm excited I bought some premium lube too with it

[hardy grove]

ooo

[sand scarab]

I'll lube it and send the results here

[hardy grove]

i'll wait

i am a big fan of the huntsman mini

[sand scarab]

Is that a razer keyboard?

[hardy grove]

i'll get it someday when i actually get time to play games

[hardy grove]

yeah

[sand scarab]

Ah razers has nice peripherals but they can be expensive when comparing to other products in the same category

[hardy grove]

used to like steelseries as well but after trying their headsets i honestly dont recommend them

[hardy grove]

i have their best value for money headphones and i mean they made like razer

barracuda x

also they are selling the deathadder essential in india for like 10$

[chrome raft]

honestly a keyboard that even has the ability to ghost at all is kind of terrible

nkro is extremely cheap

[sand scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_vnFnhLrvg

[sand scarab]

///

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZZ4clLgMeU

Damn this is truly a nice sound!

[jaunty arrow]

bruh they stole the logo from fox racing '-'

[fleet mauve]

is it bad that I use a mechanical kb with no lube or o rings

[unkempt dome]

In 20 years ?

[unkempt dome]

Not if you get an optical board

[sand scarab]

Lmao no I'll probably gift it to a friend and buy myself a DIY kit where I'll actually mod it to the max

[unkempt dome]

It's preference

[sand scarab]

All I did was just lube my membrane keyboard and add some foam and I found the process so calming I can see myself getting a few keyboards in the future and experimenting with different switches, keys etc

I also got a 3d printer I might print my own keycaps

[hollow crypt]

Something cool you can do with a steel series 😂

[sand scarab]

can you put a custom gif?

that'd be pretty cool

[hollow crypt]

🤷🏼‍♂️

[sand scarab]

what keyboard is that btw

[sand scarab]

Haven't tried it to do things small like keycaps but I got decent 3d modeling skills to create something fun

Yes

I've got a few buddies at work that got stuff like that

I might give them a call and compare the quality of the keys

[leaden kraken]

i really need help with windows detecting my keyboard
everything else detects it but windows
i can type in searchbar or setting
and i cannot use my kewyboard in any apps i got off microsoft store

[distant geyser]

Laptop keyboard poggers 👍

[uncut pelican]

hey guys, do you like something like this?

[crimson isle]

no

[olive sedge]

Nooo the corsair haters are back

[crimson isle]

The normie brand hater*

[olive sedge]

Ah, so now I know your trigger words

Microstar International

American Megatrends

ASUS

ACER

Corsair

Gigabyte

[crimson isle]

let us burn all razer, steelseries, and corsair keyboards

[olive sedge]

Logitech

[crimson isle]

yes

[olive sedge]

EagleTec

[crimson isle]

doesn't exist

[olive sedge]

They do actually

All of their keyboards are terrible

[crimson isle]

Trust is worse

[olive sedge]

d e l l

[olive sedge]

blech

that looks terrible

Who signed off on that design choice

[crimson isle]

gamers

[olive sedge]

I-
Okay I hate it, but its not the worst

Interesting choice

[crimson isle]

?

[olive sedge]

Yum, pink

And dedicated media controls

That brands got the RGB down

Chuck some Cherry MX Reds on it, you got yourself a keyboard

[olive sedge]

Best one yet

Gamecube is the best console, and You cannot change my mind

[crimson isle]

gamecube controller best controller

[olive sedge]

Yes yes

[crimson isle]

the ABYX actually ergonomically placeed

[olive sedge]

not me who just bought an XBox controller because My PS4 controllers refuse to do things

With my PC or the PS4 now lol

[crimson isle]

Playstation controllers deserve to burn

they are made for toddlers

with alien hands

[olive sedge]

As a toddler, I agree

With alien hands, I agree

I grew up on PS3, Im a bit biased here lol

[crimson isle]

the hands required to use it

[olive sedge]

Yo thats a picture of my hands

Im the kind of person to be using WASD with my left hand, right hand on the mouse, and then while holding Left control with my pinky stretch my thumb to click the enter key because I'm a psychopath

[blazing glade]

razer too apparently

razer might be more hated than corsair

[surreal basin]

Budget: 40-45$
Rgb: YES
Blue switch
wired or wireless both ok
75% or less

[latent blaze]

rk61 with blues

extra like 2$ over budget but for sure worth it

[latent blaze]

https://a.co/d/gQprlrl

[swift forge]

The first three are unknown to most in terms of keyboard production

But, ASUS and Acer don’t make bad laptops and monitors

In fact, some of the better bang for the buck laptops and high end monitors are produced by them

The main concern buying from big brands like Razer, Logitech, Steelseries, Corsair, HyperX is their poor quality mass production methods

[crimson isle]

does corsair even have anything good

their keyboards are bad, their mouse are bad, their audio is bad, etc

razer, logitech and steelseries at least have some pretty good mice options

steelseries the least tho

[swift forge]

Corsair SP120 fans, 4000D case?

[swift forge]

Mice aren’t

Some are ok

Razer software becoming bloated, it’s a good UI but too resource intensive for some

[crimson isle]

their fans aren't good tho

they perform fine, but they ain't competing with T30, A12x25, P12, etc

[crimson isle]

I've never bothered with software like that

like my RGB settings for case stuff as well
once I set it up
I can remove the program and the settings stay

[swift forge]

Probably why I’ll go Wooting

[sand scarab]

They got good headsets

[swift forge]

Once they come into stock and I have cash for another keyboard, Wooting 60HE

Because they have online controller software

[swift forge]

Sound quality would be trash compared to anything mentioned in #audio-tech

[sand scarab]

It was like 40$ canadian

I'm not expecting an ear orgasm at that price

[crimson isle]

moondrop CHU, KSC75, KPH30i, etc all cheaper and beat it by a lot

could name a bunch more in ears

[sand scarab]

Of course there is better lmao I'm saying this particular headset is nice

Calm down lol

[distant mist]

i use IJKL not WASD

[crimson isle]

can't call it good if something a lot cheaper beats it

[sand scarab]

What exactly are you comparing?

Sound quality which is subjective?

[crimson isle]

oh no, here we go again...
someone who believes quality is subjective
instead of realizing quality and enjoyment isn't the same

[sand scarab]

Can you provide me with your criteria instead of bitching out

[crimson isle]

it ain't subjective when you can measure it, lol

[unkempt dome]

Koss kph30i will sound better for about the same price

There's characteristic to sounds that can be described and that are not subjective and that has nothing to do with preference

[swift forge]

Uhhh #audio-tech

[unkempt dome]

It's the same for keyboards

[swift forge]

Yea

[unkempt dome]

There ... safe

[swift forge]

Why get a Logitech G213 or Razer Cynosa when you have the EVGA Z15 with more features for half the price

which is actually regarded as good, being hotswap, coming with extra switches and a puller, and media keys

[unkempt dome]

Cause of the hope that the evga board will be better than the logitech or razer maybe

[swift forge]

?

The wording confuses me

[unkempt dome]

Yeah I put that backward

[swift forge]

Oh lol

EVGA be sadge rn, their keyboards are actually decent and outstanding for their USD price yet no one cares

Because they dk they make kbs

the Z20 even has a sensor which detects how far you are from the keyboard

[unkempt dome]

How is it useful ? ... to determine if it should go to sleep or not even when there's no key press?

[swift forge]

Yea

Or if it is precise enough, sound an RGB alarm of some sort if you walk funny

[rich storm]

does it put the pc to sleep or just turn the backlight off?

[swift forge]

Like if it’s accurate enough To determine your footstep patterns

[rich storm]

seems like just an unnecessary thing just to bump the price up. not like other boards dont have lights that turn off when idle

[latent blaze]

You can set it to do that

i have one, the rgb software is where you change it so you can like set a certain effect as you approach or something, overall the software is pretty good imo and saves to firmware

the Z15 is much better than the z20 in my opinion though since its hotswap and cheaper and doesnt have dumb half useless macro row

I think z15 is a pretty good value at around 40$

[swift forge]

Lol, If [sneak to keyboard] = true: activate “RGB alarm”

Ez anti-theft, just make all the lights cycle at hyperspeed but different timings

[swift forge]

@past vortex RTINGS added an SRAV graph to their mouse reviews 🥳

[surreal hinge]

Who has an ROG Falchion?

I have it with NX Blues

[past vortex]

this thing ? https://www.rtings.com/mouse/1-2/graph#21994/12683

[swift forge]

I take you’re not too impressed

it’s not on all of them yet, thought you might’ve checked RTINGS a lot

[past vortex]

I think it's good that they're starting to test in this way.

I find the graph harder to read then what's GWT test is doing.

Like clearly they've just started their automated sensor jurney

If you look at their rig, I think they could possibly get better results by doing something similar to GWT Test.

[swift forge]

Ah

[past vortex]

Like if you look at GWT tesxt, they have a standard platform. WHich they can bult almost any mouse onto. With very little travel, rotation, or lift issue.

[swift forge]

They used to just group CPI /DPI deviation under “sensor specifications”

And now have realised “oh wait different mice with the same sensor don’t share the same deviation results”

Therefore it’s not like a stock issue

[past vortex]

yah, firmware, other chips, extra.

[swift forge]

it’s different depending on how it’s implemented

[past vortex]

yep

and it could change with every firmware release as well.

[swift forge]

Like the Endgame Xm1r vs the previous results of the Pulsar Xlite Wireless V2

3% dev vs 6%

xm1r vs V2

same PAW3370 sensor

But for some goofy ah reason Endgame put the 3370 into a wired mouse

[past vortex]

GWT has also shown speed changes the results as well.

[past vortex]

maybe that was cheaper to do? or helps with the large up front part cost?

[swift forge]

well the mouse itself is $54

But has the quality of one that’s at least $70

I was thinking it’d be more expensive yk, being a sensor designed for wireless use

[past vortex]

if you look at a gwt cricle test.
it makes it very easy to understand what it means for a mouse to be more accurate.
Or for instance how bad a mouse is, in comparison to a good mouse.
Like visualy compelling.

like in the first one, the graph makes it look so similar, but it's much clearler that at 1600, the first mouse is best. BUT also mouse much error there is in that.
Especilly if it's compared to say a viper 8k at 1600 dpi.

[past vortex]

more expensive sensors aren't always better ether. Like there some older sensors that have very suprisingly good accuracy.... At least at lower speeds. OR like it's more expensive, because it's higehr rez, but the sensor quality is still lacking. 🤷

[past vortex]

I haven't really look at the specs of wireless sensors too much. Because ushally the wired ones are better. I know many wireless mice focused on battery life.

[past vortex]

oh btw , sense you brought up the mouse. https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/359253994

[swift forge]

And believe it or not, $50 dollar mouse getting special tier

[hot egret]

I've heard of the EVGA Z15, but I've never swapped the key type of a keyboard before and I want tactile. Should I buy the linear version and swap the keys (they also sell the tactile keys I think)?

[unkempt dome]

Get tactile ... and then swap them for better tactile if you get tired of them

[swift forge]

Well you get the choice of linear/clicky out of the box

If you want linear get linear then buy their set of Kailh Speed Coppers, that’s the tactile stuff

[grave sedge]

For the same price, you could get a pair of sennheiser hd558s, which I have used for nearly 7 years and they have lasted all this time. And believe me, they are better in every way.
And because of the open back nature, they are an all round great pick for gaming.

Also I guarantee you will never get hot with these like you would with Corsair’s entire lineup

I only have a picture of them when I was putting in insulation for better sub-bass clarity

also fun fact, Markiplier used the 599's which were the leather version of these for ages, too

[hot egret]

I don't think you can. I think you have to buy linear/clicky and swap them.

[hot egret]

Okay.

[swift forge]

Personally I think that’s the way to go if you are an MMO player

Since if you go linear, you get clicky switches as extras too

Which you can set to reprogrammed macro keys

[hot egret]

You do?

[swift forge]

To prevent accidents toggle

[swift forge]

Yep

[hot egret]

Oh, okay.

[swift forge]

Gotta bounce 👋

[hot egret]

👋

[sand scarab]

Let's goo I'll post the stock vs lubbed sound when I get them!

//
https://www.jellykey.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/coral-oases-custom-keycaps-1017.jpg

[cursive anchor]

This is actually a super nice keyboard for people that are getting into the hobby

https://youtu.be/aGbNUQcHnn4

[sand scarab]

I just received my first 60% keyboard. It's the first time I got anything lower than a typical normal keyboard with a numpad etc...

So my question for you guys is how long does it typically take to get use to it? Like currently I'm still looking down at the keyboard to type.

^ The first row of the key (from the ESC key to the Backscape) is unlubed and the rest are lubbed. Applied a tape mod and added some cotton on the backplate

[swift forge]

I don’t think a Glorious GMMK Pro is at all low range

[cursive anchor]

This isnt by glorious

And i mean if your looking for a really good board in that for price range then its better than most of the boards in the same category

[swift forge]

Quality control is a no though

At least recently

[cursive anchor]

which brand?

[rich storm]

glorious. I messaged their support like 3 times about different issues with plates, then revised plates, then lighting acting dumb... and they just told me to send it back and refunded me lol had basically the same things happen with their mice too

[sand scarab]

@SK61

[deft spade]

Which keyboard is better for gaming and typing? The akko 3068b or royal kludge rk84?

[sand scarab]

Akko keyboards are legendary smooth

Personally I haven't tried the kludge but I have tried the akko world tour and it was very nice

[unkempt dome]

Akko are better than rk

[deft spade]

Alr thx for the help

[sand scarab]

Hey guys I've got a question

So my switches which are gateron yellow's are too sensitive

As soon a I apply a tiny amount of pressure barely even clicking the key is registers

Is there a way to make the key press fully before it registers it?

[unkempt dome]

Nope, the actuation point is something that cannot be changed unless you have an analog keyboard

You might want to get some heavier spring and spring swap

[spark hatch]

^

or you could get new switches but spring swapping would be cheaper

[unkempt dome]

But new switches would be nicer ;)

[spark hatch]

true

[sand scarab]

Crap that sucks

I can type slowly but not at full speed which is disappointing

[heavy sapphire]

@sand scarab how much was your keyboard?

i don know much about keyboards i just need a new one some time soon...

[spark hatch]

whats your budget?

[flint cradle]

I can teach ya a tiny bit 😅

[spark hatch]

and what are you looking for out of a keyboard

[heavy sapphire]

I am looking for a smaller keyboard, I bought a 200 dollar razer keyboard but i am starting to later now realize that was a poor money choice

more of a typing keyboard that has i guess that nice sounding click or "thock"

[spark hatch]

how small? 60%? 65% 75%?

[flint cradle]

Better question, do you want a number pad on the right?

[heavy sapphire]

60%

[flint cradle]

Nevermind he’s not brain dead 😅

[heavy sapphire]

I currently have the huntsman elite

[flint cradle]

Ah, I have a custom keyboard, it sound pretty good for $40

[heavy sapphire]

overall its a great keyboard but super loud and sometimes hard to type on

[spark hatch]

https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-q4-qmk-custom-mechanical-keyboard

or an akko board if you wnat smthn alittle cheaper

[heavy sapphire]

now that's a keyboard right there...

[heavy sapphire]

sound test?

[flint cradle]

Not home

[sand scarab]

84.99$ Canadian

[heavy sapphire]

That's a super good keyboard I personally love brown switches

not really in my price range tho kinda broke rn...

[spark hatch]

if sound is a big factor:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/834558873398411335/1003382438367608913/20220731_132228.mp4?size=4096

I have the q1 v1 variant and its fairly modded but you cant expect it to sound smthn like that

[heavy sapphire]

that is crisp 👌

I will probably end up saving for those custom wood looking ones those sound+seem that they would type amazing

[sand scarab]

It's on sale in different color waves

[spark hatch]

thats a more clackiy sound signature

[sand scarab]

It's probably around 50$ usd now

[spark hatch]

if you were to save for the q4 I would recomend getting the barebones option and then getting switches and keycaps separate

[heavy sapphire]

seems well priced

my cousin is sending me his huntsman mini are those customizable?

if anything ill just buy new switches for that and get a cool looking cable

[sand scarab]

they are a bit expensive the razer keyboards

You could probably get a cheaper keyboard, get some lube, tape mode it and add some foam or a silver plate on the bottom of the case

Get it sounding less clicky

[heavy sapphire]

he is sending me that keyboard for free

[sand scarab]

Ah then that's pretty nice

[heavy sapphire]

good idea!

[sand scarab]

Check out this keyboard. The number row is unlubed

The rest are lubed, applied a tape mod and lubed the switches

// You can clearly hear the top row is very clicky and annoying

I personally like how they sound when they are lubed a lot more

Might seem very small in size but this should be enough to cover 2-3 full keyboards. And it's less than 10$ usd on amazon

[latent blaze]

Is that 3 or 5ml?

[sand scarab]

9.92 grams

[latent blaze]

damn

[sand scarab]

Not sure but here

[latent blaze]

where tf u find it for under 10

[sand scarab]

It should be around 10$ usd for you

[latent blaze]

Oh wait grams nvm

[sand scarab]

$12 max

[past vortex]

where I am, you can get the viper 8k for the same price. And it's lighter, slightly more accuraite, and has 1,2,4,8k sampling. Some people think xm1r is slightly faster click. But like for lots of people, it's probable going to boil down to mouse shape, cable, and prefrence.

[ionic briar]

preference for sure

im fine with my peasant g102

[sand scarab]

💀

Hey my mouse is even cheaper

[past vortex]

the g102 has a lot of error with circles. 20-70% 💀

[ionic briar]

is there any english publication of gwt's test data?

[sand scarab]

@spark hatch @unkempt dome hey I actually found a little way to make it better

I added a bit of cotton under the keycap and thus making it require slightly more pressure

(from reddit)

but very similar in appearance

[past vortex]

I just right click, google translate 🤷
I wonder if the G102 is using some sort of software ajustment, that breaks down on curves.
also, the logitech mice seem to do better on the logitech track pads. 🤷

[swift forge]

I could try translate, native Chinese speaker I am

[swift forge]

Mousepads you mean

Meanwhile I’m chilling with a clone G Pro Hero

[past vortex]

like a nock off, or just simlar?

[swift forge]

Logitech G102, G203, G Pro Hero all copied each other’s designs

I have the third

they share the same eggshell shape

And recently Fantech copied Logitech to create the Fantech Aria XD7, tho it looks more like an upgraded Razer Orochi V2

[swift forge]

G102 and G203 have the same basic 8000 DPI sensor. G Pro Hero is the “upgraded” version with the Hero 25K sensor

[swift forge]

No software so “lighter load”, pure gaming mouse where you map binds to buttons in-game

[past vortex]

do you still have control over the DPI at that point? or are you basicly locked into 400, 800, 1200, extra?

[swift forge]

and it’s got Kailh GM 8.0 switches which you can actually find specs for, instead of a bare description and company-oriented name

So better for mouse enthusiasts

[swift forge]

Locked unfortunately, for the Xm1r

Which is where messing with sensitivity settings comes in

eDPI can make up for “lost dpi”

Like 1200 0.8 sens = 600 1.6 sens

gives you the same eDPI, if we don’t count the variation between certain games (exact same value in the same game, but not Fortnite vs CS:GO for example)

[spark hatch]

My mouse is jsut a worn Roccat kain 100 lmao. I've replaced it's switches twice at this point if I remver correctly

[swift forge]

When roccat was in their early days. Aye

[spark hatch]

What about their early days?

[swift forge]

Just for the record

Before they developed paracord cabling for their mice, if I’m not wrong

The Kone series are the newest to date

Burst preceded them

Kain was the first I think

[spark hatch]

I wouldn't know I'll take your word for it. I got the kain around when it launched I think? I got it when it got abunch of hype in the drag clicking community

[swift forge]

I can see why it’d be good for drag lol

[spark hatch]

It's the best drag mouse I've ever owned

And I personally really like it out side of drag clicking too

[swift forge]

Oh Glorious you have a competitor

Forgets Bloody

[spark hatch]

Which other drag clicking mice kinda lack, usually you'd only by for the drag otherwise they're ergonomics are shit

[spark hatch]

Glorious is mid for drag, they only go down to 2ms Debouce

[past vortex]

eDPI is often misused and misleading. Often people are talking abotu MPI or CPI, when they use eDPI. But yah, more people need to learn how windows multiplier, or in game multiplier really works. Because lots of people say stuff like. Oh I can't goto 800 DPI, because it's too fast. and it's like NO. It's not too fast, it's just your multiplier is too high. You can reduce your multiplier and it will feal exactly the same.
But like right now windows really needs a custom value set option. Like ok, I can set 1.0 or 1.25, but not 1.01-1.024.

[spark hatch]

Roccat and bloody go down to "0"

Also bloody has shit ergonomics, questionable design, and (so I've heard) a mediocre sensor at best but idk if that last ones true

[swift forge]

So from big to small adjustments, the order is DPI —> sensitivity —> in game multiplier

[past vortex]

well many games are now raw mouse input. Or at least can be set that way.

but yah, even if you do raw, your going to want to ajust your windows sensitivty multiplier. so your cursor doesn't go crazy fast or slow.

but it's like you probable want your DPI to be at the best performance point of the mouse. Which may mean ajusting your multiplier to get to that setting.
That or you want to get cloest to your 'real' dpi.

[swift forge]

So, DPI = adjustments in 50/100/1000 raw DPI, sensitivity by +/- 10 to 100 or so eDPI depending on decimal place, multiplier from 1 to hundreds of eDPI

tbh I wonder how many decimal places you can adjust multi

If it’s more/equiv to 3 dp then 1 DPI adjustments are possible theoretically

[past vortex]

apparently in linux you can set your mouse to any DPI. But not sure if that's just sampling. 🤷 but like unless there a hardware reason, it's like why not let us set any DPI we want?

[swift forge]

Usually in controller software for mice, it’s hardware limited

Possibly the software functions are made to be universally compatible, when talking sens and multi

So at certain viable settings the mouse is most stable in terms of tracking performance

like for example any mouse can be set to 1.5 sens in a given game

But not all are accurate enough to do 1.543759

Or the onboard hardware would be like “Nani dafuk $:@(“”/&” and go nuts

[swift forge]

Only reason why not would be sensor issues like overshoot

Whereas for an 8 DP value, “this sensor no track sub-micron level”

I know that Logitech can pull a gigachad here though , Hero sensor is designed for that supposedly

^ when things aren’t universally the same

Roccat Owl-Eye on the other hand is accurate, but overshoot/undershoots on the KPA

[past vortex]

well if a mouse is 110% or 90%, does it really matter if your using
800 @ .5
400 @ 1
200 @ 2
as a multiplier?

[swift forge]

True

Single digit values I’d agree, freedom of choice for all

But 8 digit values no

although if there is going to be a “quantum revolution” in the near or far future by then it’s be a no brainer to allow any number of decimal values be custom since mouse sensors should people still find mice useful would be accurate as hell

[ionic briar]

i just notice, thats the g102 gen 2
but both this and the gen 1 uses the same sensor right?

[past vortex]

like I assume it scales liniar, so probable doesn't matter as much if all DPI behave the same if it's 110%, or 90%.
But we know real world too low/high DPI, and error rate increases.
Like ona razer viper 8k. 800@.5 would be better then 400@1. sense it has less error.

But if you were switching between mice regulalry. Like you'd probable 400 to be 400, and 800 to be 800. Like ordering shows from diffrent companies.

But like skipping, at 800 @ .5, vs 400 @ 1, I feel like a logitech or razer employee could really tell us alot about this kind of thing.

[past vortex]

Their test was in 2021. When did gen 2 come out?

It looks like GWT was testing the 2020 G102 LIGHTSYNC (v2) , not the G102 prodigy (v1)

[ionic briar]

yep, the lightsync is the 2nd gen update

i got the prodigy

but iirc both uses the mercury sensor

[past vortex]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/j7i6ws/psa_the_g102g203_lightsync_does_not_feature_the/

[ionic briar]

huh

gwt did not test the prodigy right?

[past vortex]

If they have, I haven't seen it.

Could try running MousePlot

[ionic briar]

thats a software?

[past vortex]

yah

In general older sensors seem to perform worse then newer sensors. And older mice from a few years ago, tend to have higher click latency.
the G703 was a 2017 mouse, and had 6 ms of click latency. SO the G102 Prodig, probable has similar 6 ms of click latency.
But like that's a generalization. so the G102 prodigy might not fair that great against a newer mouse. BUT like yah, without data, 🤷 .

[past vortex]

https://www.overclock.net/threads/mousetester-software.1535687/

but the github seems to have newer https://github.com/microe1/MouseTester

[ionic briar]

interesting
rtings do have my mouse latency measured

theres that

around 4ms

[past vortex]

It looks like rtings measures click latency with a high speed camera.
The way i've seen most people measure click latency is they create a short between test mouse and right click on another mouse.
So every time they click, they get a diffrence between the two mice.

I'm not sure which is more accurate at measuring click latency.

Like shorting may not take into account the michanics, or resitence of clicking. And if the button itself is some how mechanically, or electricity faster. But I haven't seen any one test both, to compare results.

But highspeed camera might have other kinds of interpiting error, bias, frame rate, extra.

[swift forge]

The high speed camera provides an exact measure, accurate or not

the comparison between mice, you'd have to assume the baseline is 0ms latency which is technically "bs" because there'll always be latency, since time is required for movement/click data to travel from the mouse to the computer mobo

then registered onscreen

its better if you know the baseline's approximate measure from a high speed camera, in my opinion so you can use the +/- [enter figure in ms] to figure out the click latency of models scoring higher latencies

also, usually the second method of comparison to one another is only relative to the baseline model; it would be different for the second mouse up vs the fourth lowest click latency mouse, for example. (This is what TechPowerUp does from my observation)

whereas the high speed camera method would produce a measure which is universal

[swift forge]

I think RTINGS uses a high speed camera, highest polling rate available, 360hz monitor and like an RTX 3080 11900K build to test it

with Nvidia Reflex Analyser (monitor is the ASUS ROG Swift PG259QNR I'm pretty sure) enabled [at least before they updated their methodology, this was the case]

Their tests are simulated to be as similar to user experience as possible, so:

perhaps TechPowerUp does this test in a way that does ensure near zero latency; maybe removing the finger cover of the main switches and clicking them directly

so as to not be affected by pre-travel latency

[sand scarab]

Are there any benefit of doing the tape mode multiple times (extra layers)

And what material should I put under the pcb and in the bottom case to make it sound better

[pliant mortar]

anyone in this chat awake?

[quick pulsar]

No

[glossy crag]

Just ask what you want to ask, lol

[pliant mortar]

i want to ask

what are good parts for beginners

like starting from scratch wise

[glossy crag]

😐

[spark hatch]

you want to build completely from the ground up?

[pliant mortar]

yea

[unkempt dome]

I would advise against it if you're a beginner

[spark hatch]

if you're a beginner I'd maybe recommend starting with a prebuilt and modding it

[pliant mortar]

got it

i wanna get into the hobby and i wanna make one when i get the funds

[glossy crag]

How expensive do you think it's gonna be?

[spark hatch]

you can still do lots with modding prebuilts. new switches. keycaps, sound profiles, ect

[pliant mortar]

300 to 500 maybe

[glossy crag]

Ahh.. Yeah, you take the 300 and about half that

After about $400, it's pretty much already luxury territory

[spark hatch]

well depending on the built they do it could be that

[pliant mortar]

dang ik they could be expensive but i was thinking higher

like way higher

[spark hatch]

I have a 550~$ cad keychron q1

[glossy crag]

Be good enough and you can mod one for less than that ='D

[spark hatch]

oh it very well can be

[pliant mortar]

im just starting so i doubt that will happen until years later maybe less idk

[spark hatch]

but it definetally doesnt have to

I have some boards that sound and look very nice despite being like 40$ amazon boards that I've just put in the effort to mod properly

[pliant mortar]

but i def need a new one some of my keys feel sluggish and its kinda loud

[pliant mortar]

impressive

[glossy crag]

So a building kit/keyboard, switches, (stabs if the one included are shit), caps, lube..

[pliant mortar]

sounds expensive

[spark hatch]

since your budget is alittel higher and you do wanna do a custom you could either get a cheaper board and mod it. or you could get a bare bones and built the rest of the board

[pliant mortar]

which would you advise for someone doing this for the first time

[spark hatch]

say for example keychron q series

[spark hatch]

on the low low end a royalkludge board (very popular budget board)

or on the higher end you could do a keychron

[glossy crag]

Building kits and keyboards to mod vary heavily, switches also do but don't have to be expensive, there's enough $25-$30 switch kits, stabilizers are pretty cheap, keycaps CAN be expensive, ranges usually between $40 and a $100, even good lube can be gotten for about $10, depends on how much you buy

[pliant mortar]

they seem good do they come pre lubed or no?

[spark hatch]

keychorn does but they have shitty stock switches (switches are fine theres just better option out there) and the lube if veryyy thin

[glossy crag]

If you want to learn how to build keyboards, learning how to lube properly is essential anyway

[pliant mortar]

i should've been specific i was talking bout the royal kludge

[spark hatch]

I dont think they do

but If you wanna do a custom knowing how to lube is pretty important, also you woulnt want the stock swithces from royal anyway

[spark hatch]

what akira said, didnt mean to copy didnt see this message

[pliant mortar]

alright sounds good

this seems like a nice one

[glossy crag]

Also not as simple as using a brush and applying lube on every single switch, comes with a bit of knowledge needed

[spark hatch]

theres yt videos out there

[pliant mortar]

ik i was looking at one earlier

[glossy crag]

As in; you can't lube every switch the same way if you want to keep the characteristics of each type of switch :o

[swift forge]

a barebones board if you're willing to pay extra for switches and keycaps, the Pulsar PCMK

[spark hatch]

unless ive got the name mistaken I think keybored makes a pretty good lube guid'

[swift forge]

however an absolute beginner might as well take a Royal Kludge

[pliant mortar]

yea im wanting to get into the hobby

[pliant mortar]

ill check them out in the morning

[spark hatch]

what special about it? looks kinda ugly in my opinion

[swift forge]

welp your second board could be the PCMK then, once you know how to install switches and keycaps

[spark hatch]

but I dont like floating keycaps so im bias there

[swift forge]

easy to mod, look great with G.SKILL crystal crown caps, Pulsar software at the ready

[glossy crag]

I mean yeah, but simply taking Krytox and going with it is going to suffice

[spark hatch]

gtocha

[pliant mortar]

the board i was looking at was 60% ima try and find a 75%

[swift forge]

and being able to see the circuit board bc transparent plastic case

but not the creaky kind of plastic

[swift forge]

i.e. so you know if you fucked up a mod lol

[glossy crag]

The expensive kind of plastic mhm

[spark hatch]

yea it takes time to get it. but watching some guides on how to do it is a good idea

[swift forge]

board itself is only like $49 USD

barebones

[pliant mortar]

whats better in your opinion 60% or 75%?

[swift forge]

what do you plan to use the kb for?

and can you live with toggling two keys for arrow key functions

[pliant mortar]

gaming and school work

[spark hatch]

preferance

no better

what ever you like

[swift forge]

can you live without arrow keys or home pad

or function keys

[pliant mortar]

yea i can manage

[glossy crag]

I can live without numpad, but not without arrowkeys x)

I play a lot of emulated games, sooo, yeah

[pliant mortar]

is it at least cheaper?

[swift forge]

depends

[glossy crag]

Depends, but often no

[pliant mortar]

ill prolly just mod this one

[swift forge]

the Ducky One Three Mini well the entire lineup is expensive

you could settle for the GMMK 2

[swift forge]

is it QMK compatible? if you want arrow keys

[glossy crag]

I have a one two mini and definitely abused the case

[spark hatch]

thats a pretty good choice, theres tons of guides on modding that board online

[spark hatch]

it has royals software

[pliant mortar]

alright thank you for the help everyone but ive gotta get to bed gotta trip tomorrow

[spark hatch]

I have no idea how good its software is but ik it has it

[glossy crag]

I put foam in it, took off the black case frame, cut off the side of the case

[swift forge]

ah

[spark hatch]

np, gald to help. if you have anymore questions later dont hesitate to ask

[swift forge]

0-0

[pliant mortar]

before i go i got one last question

[swift forge]

fire at will

[pliant mortar]

its possible to mod those keykaps right bc i dont trust myself with white

[glossy crag]

Yes, so if I have ugly bling bling, I might as well give the board the chance to bling bling out of the sides as well

[swift forge]

you can buy aftermarket, some good ones are the crystal crown keycaps

[spark hatch]

just get new ones

theres tons of keycaps

and they're usually not to much for cheaper ones

[pliant mortar]

alright ill prolly get ones that match the theme my desk is going for

[swift forge]

G.SKILL's crystal crowns come in black or white, RGB shines through the side of the switch too

[pliant mortar]

tysm everyone

[spark hatch]

good quility ones will run you 70%~ give or take and cheaper ones will be like 40$

[swift forge]

[spark hatch]

^

[swift forge]

be careful with numbers buddy

[spark hatch]

I dm'ed him dw

[swift forge]

I have lied in the past to keep myself safe

he's good natured, no need to turn him to jam with a hammer

[spark hatch]

mhm

[pliant mortar]

thanks for the info everyone

im off to bed

[spark hatch]

gn. have a good one

[spark hatch]

https://youtu.be/WpjR17zbhEQ

sounds alot better than I thought it would I will admit

[pliant mortar]

My cat just gave me a heart attack

Wrong server mb

[swift forge]

You do be lyin-

[swift forge]

Mhm, like how Optimum Tech didn’t know how good the Wooting 60HE would sound

AND YOURE still up

[pliant mortar]

I have a hard time falling asleep

And you just pinged me

[swift forge]

Sorry-

[pliant mortar]

Np

Just I'm trying to get some zs so pls be considerate

[spark hatch]

tbh I wouldnt have thought it sounded good since its got those "weird" switches but wooting did a really good job with it so 👏 to them

[swift forge]

There’s sound dampening :p

Apparently it’s also a universally compatible tray mount so ig you could seat others boards in the switch case

RIP Optimum being an Apex Legends try hard though, he tried to use Tachyon Mode (lowest debounce and latency possible) but with custom cabling, not enough power so his keys had a disco party

[spark hatch]

yea, ive seen some people put in tofu65

[swift forge]

With the mod tap functionality on the keyboard switches mapping two commands to one switch, I can see MMO players taking advantage of that and opting for the 60HE over a massive 100% restricting their mouse movement

In tournaments*

[swift forge]

Oh dear-

What a horrific waste of money, if that’s all they bought the 60HE for

[spark hatch]

to each there own

[swift forge]

Lol, well the analog and tachyon mode is at least worth a try

It’s interesting how advanced but simple the Hall effect is on those switches too

[spark hatch]

the board still functions the same its just in a differnt case

[swift forge]

Keys which reset immediately after pressing

[spark hatch]

doesnt it just use magnets or some shit

[swift forge]

Yep

[spark hatch]

yea, amazing idea idk who thought of that but good on them

[swift forge]

I wonder how keys not resetting after a press immediately is even a thing

[sweet thunder]

Hall effect switches have been around since like the 80s

Hall effect sensing is pretty common in analog sensing applications

[spark hatch]

good to know

[sweet thunder]

Wooting’s been doing the analog thing for a few years now

Started with optical analog

[spark hatch]

yea I knew they had be doing it for abit. seems to be getting alot of cover recently tho

[sweet thunder]

It’s taking people a while to realize cherry speed silver isn’t the be all end all

[spark hatch]

lmao

fr

[sweet thunder]

https://youtu.be/oDozftThFMw here’s a Hall effect board from 1980

[spark hatch]

huh

interesting

[swift forge]

Looks like a hacker remapped all their executive code to macro keys and put custom keycaps on those

“Breach network” “disable system” “enter alt [incognito] mode”

But then again I’m sure there were more keys that were essential

[swift forge]

Flaretech Linear55 and Clicky55 optical switches

Wooting One, TKL board