lttstore

[sullen frost]

I mean, my memory could be fuzzy but I could have sworn I saw Tuesday or Wednesday in the video

[simple summit]

tell people orders open up on a certain Daye, state a day early without warning

hurr why you upset

[stuck torrent]

underpromise and overdeliver is a generally viewed as a positive thing.

[simple summit]

Yeah if you want to wait 4 extra months

I'm fin good

Worse ship dates than backpack

[broken vault]

I mean tbf there only like 10 days apart

[simple summit]

Wave 3 is in November, that's not 10 days apart

[stuck torrent]

yeah the 4 months thing seems like massive hyperbole when if you order now you're only a couple weeks back.

[inner marsh]

october 20 to 30th is 10 days, october 30th to nov 10th is 10 days november 10th to 20th is 10 days...

[untold coral]

Are early orders in wave 1 going to ship early? I remember Linus saying they already had over 1000 ready .. so why wait for the next drop?

[broken vault]

-pop up shop ones

[simple summit]

K

[untold coral]

I doubt they sold 1000 at the pop up

But man if they did: I'm happy for em

[broken vault]

Me too. That would be roughly 4 screwdrivers a minute

[slim knot]

it was said that it would be tuesday OR wednesday.

[vague dock]

[ivory scarab]

It's Wednesday in Australia, so it's still accurate

[wooden locust]

does anyone know if there's a way to edit address for an existing order before I bother support

it has the city and postal code of my old address

[broken vault]

Support email unfortunately

Shopify won’t let you do it on your end

[wooden locust]

so annoying man

esp when the order isn't even going to get processed for another 2 months or so

just to be clear not blaming LTT at all shopify is just dumb in this instance

[broken vault]

Yeah I think it has to do with taxes and other things.

Even city to city tax is different

[candid fern]

33,000 screw drivers in 10 hours

my god

[broken vault]

Insanity numbers that for sure

[wooden locust]

amazon lets you do it

makes me wonder if they eat the cost or j have a way of dealing with it

[broken vault]

Idk but tbf most of Amazon is automated

[glossy phoenix]

Amazon will charge you the difference notice at checkout tax is an “estimate” on Amazon. Tbh though usually there is no diff between cities and even many states are similar / near 8% in the US. But there are for sure some states with bigger differences and even some cities that charge extra.

[candid fern]

I wonder what number I am for my order

does anyone have any reference ?

I got in at 3606XX

[glossy phoenix]

3677 - close to #10k I think, I was on the line for a while to order or not and when I finally decided it was like 4990 or something left it said.

[candid fern]

#lttstore message

Apparently this guy was 3585XX

I woulld say he's easily in the first 100

which puts me in about the first 2100

[brazen stump]

damn...forgot to order bits too...

[candid fern]

support is going to be absolutely flooded with people asking for bits

to get added to their order

[brazen stump]

haha, yeah...hopefully thewy can add it

shipping is murder to sweden, so doing it as a separate order is awfully expensive...

heh

[inner marsh]

But yeah, just message them.

They have thousands of messages to get through, but they should be able to do it.

There's a tweet about it somewhere in this chat history.

[final quest]

Cant decide between ltt deskpad and this beauty i just found randomly - i want it now...

[inner marsh]

That's not bad

[stuck torrent]

I find it ironic that support is probably hammered hardest by the most hardcore fans (who rushed to buy in the first minutes before bits actually landed), and the least hardcore ("huh, why didn't backpack ship weeks ago when I first ordered it?!? Is something wrong?") but the 'average' fan is probably fine.

[inner marsh]

lol

[final quest]

With Design the sushi one wins by far. Price is also quite a bit lower - but the ltt one can be bigger and there id know the quality is fine.

So yea...

[inner marsh]

Yeah, I need a large one, as my desk is enormous. And I've sorta got a theme going on that I'm trying to match across the board, so I think custom is the only way to go for me. Now, for other systems in the house... I might grab an LTT one someday.

[pearl mesa]

bro wtyf is this shit.

this shit is so cringy

[inner marsh]

XD

That's iconic.

[stuck torrent]

Search for coppertone sunscreen ad if you havent seen the reference.

[inner marsh]

^

[candid fern]

I'm one of the lucky ones

I can't wait

[inner marsh]

You can't? Going to go find them and take your package by force? :)

[final quest]

400x900 is the biggest they offer for the sushi one - 30 ish Euros

[inner marsh]

My desk is 900x2400, lol.

[final quest]

They even have that exact thing in rgb, just saw that lol

[final quest]

Okay ltt wont give you that also xD

[inner marsh]

But I doubt I'll ever do the entire desk.

XD

[final quest]

Yea.

[inner marsh]

At that point, I can just buy a roll of neoprene and send it.

[cobalt patio]

Maybe I'm too old, but what's the point of a whole desk pad? I use a mousepad, but that's mostly out of habit hanging over from the ball mouse era

[inner marsh]

Partially looks and consistency. Not having my hand touching soft and hard, not running out of pad, etc. Looks clean, protects the surface of the desk. I switched to low DPI aim and needed a lot more pad and nothing was big enough for how far I'd move my arm until I got a desk pad.

[glacial solar]

Mouse pad surface is smooth an uniform for consistent detection. As for desk pads. I think it’s just looks mainly. That and a larger mousing surface without being awkwardly under one side of the keyboard

[inner marsh]

I'd say looks is a big part of it, yeah.

[cobalt patio]

I see. I also have a huge desk and it's l shaped, so there's no desk pad that has more than a solid color that would fit it.

[inner marsh]

But I use about 18"x18" of space while aiming and it wasn't easy to find that in just a mousepad.

[final quest]

Looks and also - i like the feel of having a soft nice Feeling pad under my keyboard and also a soft surface i can put sensitive stuff on, i can rebuild phones on it etc.

Many reasons, but if you are happy with a mousepad - be happy with it ^^

[inner marsh]

Yeah, I use it for surface protection too when I'm changing out springs in my switches, etc. Just nice to work on.

[final quest]

That store where i found the sushi one has many great designs - i dont want the crappy rgb stuff, but i love gravity falls...

I kinda like the store ngl.

[cobalt patio]

Never seen gravity falls, but that looks pretty cool regardless

The RGB lights up? Only the edge or all of it?

[inner marsh]

I imagine just the edge.

[final quest]

Rgb is the edge

The Image is colorful

And rgb only meaning 2 diodes in the Black box with like 7 modes.

[inner marsh]

And if you hate yourself you can go with a pure white mouse pad.

[final quest]

Also damn - they have Toradora themed deskpad...

I feel like im spending money soon.

[inner marsh]

lol

[cobalt patio]

After seeing the grime on my mouse over time I can't imagine how gross using a white mousepad would be

[final quest]

I would have loved to get the ltt one, but the theme isnt really my taste - and shipping from canada is a lot - so yea...

[minor notch]

i was too lazy to read if bits ware included

so i bought them

[final quest]

Depends on what Kind of fabric it is, if its an really good one - it can last quite a while.

[minor notch]

and damm the wave 3 for my order

[cobalt patio]

I've only just now realized that the standard set is probably included...

[inner marsh]

It is~

[cobalt patio]

Was in too much of a panic to try and get in wave one

Lol

[minor notch]

well it wasent mentioned with quick read

[inner marsh]

That didn't stop me from ordering an extra standard set and all the rest of them, lol.

[stuck torrent]

"Standard bit set included with the screwdriver: PH0, PH1, PH2, H2, H2.5, H4, SL1, SL4, SL6, SQ1, SQ2, and our 6x6 Magnet bit (affectionately named "The Screw Retriever")"

[cobalt patio]

I ordered all but Phillips set

[inner marsh]

I'm bound to lose a P2.

No matter how hard I try.

PH2, rather.

[minor notch]

yeah. but is it included in the screwdriver purchase

[inner marsh]

That quote is from the screwdriver's page.

[minor notch]

i should order all of them... but... hmmm

[inner marsh]

So yes. To both questions.

[candid fern]

I was gonna order all of them except imperial hex

[minor notch]

FRICK

[candid fern]

does anyone even use imperial hex?

[inner marsh]

Everyone needs 84 bits.

[minor notch]

yeah. maybe i should add more sets

[candid fern]

isn't imperial hex and metric hex the same, you just convert it?

[minor notch]

i just wanted the whole thing ordered

[inner marsh]

More like metric hex will often work with anything requiring an imperial hex unless you try too hard >.>

[cobalt patio]

Unfortunately yes. I'm American living in Europe, so a ton of my shit is in one or the other and, for some sizes, it's just enough different to damage the screws

[inner marsh]

Same with metric sockets.

[candid fern]

no way, that is absurdly stupid

[cobalt patio]

Some are the same. Some are slightly different

[minor notch]

i hope they can add it together

[inner marsh]

they should be able to, but just gotta give em time. they had like 2000 requests a couple hours in, lol.

[minor notch]

pro tip dont panic oder

[inner marsh]

At this pace, we might hit wave 4 by the time I wake up.

[stuck torrent]

My level of screwdriver usage is such that I didn't even realise the different sizes had different names. It's like philips and big phillips and smaller phillips, but I thought they were all just phillips instead of ph0/ph1/etc. Makes perfect sense they'd be named differently in hind sight, but thats just how little it comes up for me.

[cobalt patio]

Where were you yesterday? 😄

[inner marsh]

If I could have anyone learn one lesson with tools, it's that there are different phillips heads and you need to use the right one every time.

Also don't use cheap screws and cheap bits.

Mostly cheap screws.

[inner marsh]

feels an onset of rage

[minor notch]

sleeping

[cobalt patio]

Also torx is better than Phillips by faaaaaarrrrrr

[minor notch]

i was sleep 10h ago

[inner marsh]

Yessss.

[minor notch]

it was mid night

[inner marsh]

I demand Torx screws when at all possible.

[cobalt patio]

10 am for you now?

[minor notch]

i woke up like 2h ago or something

[inner marsh]

I've stripped /one/ so far.

[minor notch]

9am

[cobalt patio]

Same. Labas timezone friend

[minor notch]

labs?

[cobalt patio]

I've not done it yet. Woodworking is my hobby and I use a lot of screws

[cobalt patio]

Labas. Hello in lithuanian

[glacial solar]

Robertson (square) is better than all of the rest but gets so little love

[minor notch]

ooh but im finnish

perkele

[inner marsh]

@cobalt patio It was 100% my fault. I overworked myself, lost strength, but didn't want to give up when I was so close.

Fun fact. It made a unique sound and I don't want to hear it again.

[minor notch]

welll imma head back to studying

[cobalt patio]

I like the spikes though. Also think there's a better amount of contact with torx vs Robertson

[inner marsh]

I've never actually used or come across anything requiring a robertson in... well, any distant memories.

[glacial solar]

It’s found primarily on wood and drywall screws sold in Canada. Also happens to be the same size as the centre of ECX screws found on things like electrical outlets and light switches in north america

[cobalt patio]

I've used them for decking a few times.

[inner marsh]

Oh! Right! That's where I remember them being used. The ECX screws.

Though, I knew it wasn't their primary purpose, of course, lol.

So many screws. Only so many shapes and so much surface area. I think the next logical step is to just weld the screw onto the bit each time.

[cobalt patio]

Need a vice grip bit that can go into a drill

[inner marsh]

lol

[final quest]

Torx, SL-PH/SL-PZ and allen key.

Everything else is bs for screws.

For anyone wondering (not much know them) this is SL-PH and SL-PZ.

It combines the Single strength SL has and fixes the Bad thing of ph/pz with it.

Best of it - its commonly used - just not much have the fitting bit/screwdriver.

[inner marsh]

aka, the plusminus~

the laziest nickname, lol.

[final quest]

I always call it SL-PZ or SL-PH depending on what it is.

[vague dock]

Does https://www.lttstore.com/collections/accessories/products/spout-lid-for-ltt-water-bottle fit on the old 40oz bottles

[inner marsh]

I believe so. I don't think there's different dimensions for the mouth of the bottle.

Yeah, "Our spout lids will fit any size of LTT Water Bottle."

[vague dock]

How do you get the original lid off

[inner marsh]

it's threaded.

just twist.

[crisp osprey]

Does the driver ship pour with the « standard bit set » ?

[vague dock]

lol I know that

i meant the little plastic loopy de doo

[inner marsh]

I hesitated to respond, lol.

Glad to hear you meant something else XD

[inner marsh]

It ships with the standard set, yes.

[vague dock]

It took me a second to realize that you folks may hear stupider words come out so you were prepared lol

[inner marsh]

XD

[final quest]

We are on discord, if you ever did any kind of support you know how stupid people can be - even the simplest things.

[inner marsh]

I'm looking at the original bottle. You mean the thing around the neck that stops the top from falling away if you were to let go?

[vague dock]

Yes

[inner marsh]

Those are pretty standard. Just pry it off with some hard plastic piece.

or snip it

[final quest]

Is it actually plasic or Rubber?

[vague dock]

If you looked at my profile, you would realize I still have hope for humanity in common sense lol

plastic

[inner marsh]

It's probably plastic. That design has been around forever.

[final quest]

Idk you play lol

[inner marsh]

Removing it /will/ stretch it, but if you're careful you can minimize it for reuse later.

treat it like a gasket. just work it around the edge.

[plain fern]

Robertson fans are missing the great benefit of torx though

If you apply enough force, torx and Allen are interchangeable

[final quest]

No they are not.

Just dont.

With enough force you can also use sl in torx, just dont. Use the proper bit.

[plain fern]

The correct answer is not always viable

[final quest]

The correct answer is, use the proper bit.

[plain fern]

But sometimes all you have is an Allen set

Like in a bike multi tool

If you have to, you can

[final quest]

In a bike multitool you have everything you need to a bike.

[plain fern]

Usually

[scenic spire]

Except, of course, a bike.

[full epoch]

does anyone know when this ltt cap will be available again? im interested

[peak halo]

Correct, silver shaft in both black and orange plastic are permanent https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxNmuyTdNyeSfh5BabFxf5C7QsCfNIwlid

[honest shell]

Afaik no real plans

[full epoch]

ah ok

[honest shell]

They said because it wasn't very special they probably wouldn't make more

You can always tag nicklmg on twitter he wil probably know best

[full epoch]

ok

so basically the dad hat is the alternative for now?

[honest shell]

Yep

[bright patrol]

Yes

[willow tide]

Got one yet?

[peak halo]

Nope hoping it’s just this https://twitter.com/nicklmg/status/1564865042260312064

Nick Light (@nicklmg)

@S3basuchian I’ll have to check in with our distributor. I expect they’re still working through it

Twitter · Aug 31, 2022, 6:37 AM

[hushed sonnet]

What single bit do you think y’all will use the most in your driver

[chilly tartan]

Ph2

[hushed sonnet]

Probably going to be a T10 for me, that or a PH1-0

[sullen frost]

The one most commonly used in computers lol

[hushed sonnet]

Well I was asking because not everyone who bought one is constantly working on PCs in particular

[steel tiger]

Does anyone know if the extra screwdriver bit sets will have a little carrying case thing for each one or are we just going to have several sets of loose bits if they arent in the screwdriver

[peak halo]

No carry case included, you can use a standard open-ended hex bit holder for the extras

[steel tiger]

well that is unfortunate, but ok lol

[peak halo]

Accessory under consideration though in the long term https://twitter.com/kylelami/status/1564714594865594368

Kyle Tharratt (@kylelami)

@nicklmg @THANATOS_IXU @foglebr @SnazzyQ I hear you. The cardboard box wasn't designed for long term use, but rather eco packing. It's on the ever growing list to figure out :)

Twitter · Aug 30, 2022, 8:40 PM

[steel tiger]

what would be wild is if there was a second gen, and your other sets could all be mounted in their own holder and you can just swap the whole thing out

[molten prawn]

For keeping them cheap it makes sense they'd assume you'll load your desired set into the bit storage and forgo a container. I already saw some people mentioning 3D printing on-the-go storage for them, so if a generic solution doesn't do it for you and you have access to a 3D printer I bet some more LTT designed holders will be put online soon.

[steel tiger]

yeah, for now just getting the driver will be great

[hushed sonnet]

There’s a variety of bits, honestly I find it difficult to imagine I’d use them all, however I can see some people wanting to keep everything labeled and organized

[sullen frost]

Whoooo!

[hushed sonnet]

So people could be receiving their backpacks in the next few days

[sullen frost]

I’m away from home and won’t see it for weeks lol, but at least I’ll know it’s safe and sound at home

[timid elk]

Mine hasn’t even been dropped of at the carrier

[latent lark]

Departed Terminal?! lets gooo!! Mine is still on the "Scanned in Terminal" step

[vivid stirrup]

Welp I'm alive

[potent ocean]

Magnet 🤦

[potent ocean]

Hello! The screwdriver has been released!

[hushed sonnet]

We’re you the one everyone was pinging yesterday? Lol

[vivid stirrup]

I know lol

[vivid stirrup]

Yes don't remind me it's still today rn lol

[hushed sonnet]

Have you placed an order yet?

[potent ocean]

Move quick, and you can get into wave 1

Sorry, that ship sailed a while ago

[vivid stirrup]

I placed my order wave 2 at 9000 left

[vivid stirrup]

Bruh 20,000 in an hour

Is insane

It's slowing down but not much

I listened to LIENUS and missed out on wave one he said Wednesday, it was released Tuesday when I wanted and I was asleep but oh well

[candid fern]

I was pretty upset too

about the tuesday drop instead of wednesday

I was in the middle of a work task on Tuesday when it dropped

and I had cleared my Wednesday schedule so I would be ready

[hushed sonnet]

Really excited to see what project farm says. If it’s a top contender we may see an order spike

[inner marsh]

May be a bit before we see that video. The driver has to reach him, he has to gather other versions, design tests, and probably has other projects he's working on.

[hushed sonnet]

He already has it. He’s announced he plans on releasing his video on Sunday

[inner marsh]

Seriously? Damn, that's quite the turnaround. Lol

[hushed sonnet]

He bought one from LTT early and has been in communication. It was already on the way during last weeks WAN show

[vivid stirrup]

Just seen this that they posted

[hushed sonnet]

I’m just wondering if he got one of the pop up shop units which Linus said they would replace due to the defect, or a scale production unit

They also overnighted it. So a good chance he already had it by the time the pop up started

[inner marsh]

I imagine they would have let him know and shipped another.

[hushed sonnet]

Probably. But I imagine he’s doing the main testing with the first ones. Since the issue isn’t related to the mechanism and is really only related to the bitholder over time

[inner marsh]

True.

[hushed sonnet]

It’s also possible he just had a full final production unit. Though I’d lean to the same ones in the pop up since Linus mentioned they could have someone pull a random one out of the back as well

Basically Linus’s screwdriver is a combination of Snapon and Megapro, with nice subtle branding which I prefer over blasting names everywhere, and no rubber which most screwdrivers seem to love.

That’s the vibe I get from it

[inner marsh]

I feel like it took inspiration from snapon, but it's sorta evolved beyond it's origins. The only thing that seems to have not been changed as much is the megapro bit storage mechanism.

[serene creek]

36,000 sold already 🤯

[raw cairn]

Is the snap on one cheaper?

If u say yes I'm gona die laughing

[inner marsh]

No

Lol

MSRP is about 10 more*

81.50 usd

[willow tide]

Not really no ^^^^. Neglecting taxes for both (realising the $8 on the ebay snapon may have been tax on shipping or something)

[hushed sonnet]

Wonder when wave 3 of backpacks will sell through

Well, Linus definitely has money to reinvest into the lab now

[willow tide]

And they don't have to worry about potential inventory for 1-2 months

[hushed sonnet]

I believe Linus ordered with expectation of having stock to spare afterwards for both products

Wouldn’t want to be sold out immediately and have to kick up factory orders people will have to wait for again

[willow tide]

Which is how they normally do it (having stock available) though could appreciate they could be worried about the cost of inventorying 1000s of backpacks - it seens alright so far though.

[hushed sonnet]

I applaud Linus on having foresight to have the company own it’s own buildings

[languid valve]

Beauty of backorder, you don't have to store them if they're sold before they even get to you

[willow tide]

But the moment certainly with supply chain disruption seemingly more common, having stock can be an advantage (hear's my Quality lecturer scream it isn't Lean enough)

[hushed sonnet]

I expect they’ll also keep an RMA pool. If someone needs to rma something, you have a pool to ship from immediately rather than make them wait

But that would likely only need to be 1-2k units at the most

More likely just a few hundred

[languid valve]

You are not JIT enough! Warehouse space is expensive

[willow tide]

That's what becomes the random T shirts etc were originally kept for I think, besides overstock on some sizes etc?

[willow tide]

3 months of production later

[hushed sonnet]

You also can’t be waiting for 1000 people to place an order before you start another production run. You need inventory on hand.

Which one would you buy for someone not a fan of LTT as a gift. Assuming projectfarms video makes it out as good

All black, or black and orange

All black is nice and understated, but to someone who doesn’t know, it might just look generic since branding isn’t all over it

[vivid stirrup]

Reeeeeee

8800 left in wave 3 good god

[small badge]

Side note: "Why it took 3 years to make a screwdriver" was released this morning on Floatplane - https://www.floatplane.com/post/gUONOb7rhM

[vivid stirrup]

I'm too poor for floatplane but I bet its a interesting watcg

Watch

[small badge]

It is. 28 min long. It's not labeled as a Floatplane exclusive, so they'll probably release it on YouTube soon

[short maple]

I wounder how limited the black / all black screwdriver is.. 🤔

[willow tide]

I guess do they like orange/colours or not?

Also curious to see how long lasting the finish on the black shaft variant is

[short maple]

have they mentioned any numbers?

[willow tide]

Limitied run, not sure if they have said how maby for how long...

[short maple]

I would love to see the sales numbers of the different options

we know how many sold, just not the color spec

[willow tide]

I bet the black shaft has a fair amount of the %, especially as they said it was limited

[short maple]

true, i got the all black version

[small badge]

Nick Light did say that the black shaft variant will be hopefully sold for at least a month - https://twitter.com/nicklmg/status/1564712243610406912

Nick Light (@nicklmg)

@csprvbz @linusgsebastian @LinusTech hopefully at least a month!

Twitter · Aug 30, 2022, 8:30 PM

[short maple]

so it might be 20-25k sold

of the black shaft *

tops

[hushed sonnet]

Don’t forget black/orange with the black shaft variant

[short maple]

true

[fossil flower]

screwdriver video out - https://youtu.be/2K5Gqp1cEcM

[hushed sonnet]

I suspect Orange/Black with Black Shaft will be the rarest variant after all is said and done

[short maple]

watched it already 😉 FP

[raw cairn]

Orange gross

[hushed sonnet]

Guess I have something to watch on my lunch

[raw cairn]

I watched it for free tho. 😉

[short maple]

nice

[hushed sonnet]

Watch sales following this video

Maybe another wave will go by

[vivid stirrup]

They released it on YouTube aswell

[hushed sonnet]

Watching it now. Really perfect timing for lunch

[sharp bay]

I ordered that very option, imo looks the best and I dig the battle tested look of the scuffed shaft

[limber laurel]

when did the store page go live

I didnt have notifications and was going to potentially impulse buy if it was still wave 1.. nope 😛

[hushed sonnet]

I might’ve ordered it. But I didn’t want to be behind in the waves. I thought I had more time to decide so when I saw I just ended up in wave two with an all black decision lol

[cold hemlock]

I find it hilarious that the word "screw" is profanity filtered in the reviews of the SCREWdriver.

[hushed sonnet]

I noticed that too lol

[limber laurel]

the correct terminology is to "rachet something in" /s

[cold hemlock]

Oh ratchet it!

[sullen frost]

• slaps screwdriver
  this bad boy has got some torque under the hood

[sullen frost]

ah no wonder that one game was called Ratchet & Clank! ⚙️

[vivid stirrup]

Keep making me spit out my drink we gonna have a problem 😂😂😂😂

What's with that emote brother, 😂😂

[hushed sonnet]

Seeing them in the plant brings back memories

Used to do machining work and production line stuff

[river reef]

Wow awesome I didn't get the screw driver notification so I'm stuck in wave 3

[hushed sonnet]

A thousand screwdrivers went in the time I’ve watched the video now

Wonder if he’ll do any more advertising for it outside of LTT

Some people just don’t understand subtlety I guess. I love that it doesn’t try to be flashy

All the ridges. The rubber. The “industrial look” of many tools offer little benefit

[peak halo]

Ugh “it’s aesthetics”

[hushed sonnet]

I love things that look unassuming at first glance. Things that don’t scream their brand when you see them

Why I’ve always disliked razer laptops, dell. Anything with a giant ass logo there I don’t need

Don’t need branding in all corners of my life

Something I’ve loved about Many of LTTs products now. Though I’ve yet to buy a shirt as I have a preferred shop

[peak halo]

Which is?

55/45 percentage of black vs silver shaft, of that 55% there’s a 60/40 split between orange vs black housing

[open vapor]

I like Outlier for the same reason, even though you pay more for it.

[hushed sonnet]

I buy my shirts from IntoTheAM. Admittedly they do have a decent sized logo under the back of the neck of some of their shirt styles. However having tried many shops now, hundreds of dollars in shirts they’re the only ones I’ve found who do all-over-prints really really well. They used to have a larger selection of patterns before the pandemic however. Their normal tshirts are really decent quality too though so until they push out more all-over-print patterns I’ve got some more of their normal Tees

I went to them for All-Over-Prints in particular.

[peak halo]

I’ve only ever bought plain coloured AA shirts in the past so I have little experience of other providers like Gildan or FotL

[hushed sonnet]

So regular Tees are still high quality, but can’t say for sure whether they’re the best, vs what I can say is their all over prints are one of if not the best I could find.

[open vapor]

wow, they are selling hundreds of screwdrivers in a few minutes from a quick refresh test

[peak halo]

40k sold in less than 24 hours, nice one

[hushed sonnet]

I’ve messaged nick asking if they’d ever consider all-over-print tech designs but it wasn’t priority obviously

Though if you want more general tshirts, IntoTheAM is good.

When I make a large LTT order eventually I’ll try and compare.

For now though AM makes 90% of my wardrobe.

[inner marsh]

So it seems like the poll was more or less accurate and not just people trying to make it 50/50 to troll. (Within margin of error.)

[hushed sonnet]

I think that’s 3k screwdrivers sold since the video was released

[inner marsh]

The video is suuuuper insightful. They take things to levels I really appreciate.

[hushed sonnet]

I knew they’d do a video like this. I really want to know if they’re promoting to any tools videos. Or if they’ve seeded review units to any other tool reviewers aside from project farm

[inner marsh]

The detractors are amusing, though. There's not much of a leg to stand on, so they have to go more petty routes. "This looks dollar store cheap." Well, looking at some of what Snap On has to offer, if it didn't have branding on it and I was just looking at it online, it looks pretty cheap, too.

And to me, the LTT one doesn't even look cheap. It looks like it's had a lot of attention to detail. And that stealth black look has me squirming in place with anticipation.

[hushed sonnet]

Yeah, most tools try to look super fancy, but that’s not what I’m about. For the most part I like simplicity in tools. Nobody’s gonna see this and try to steal it out of my hand either

[inner marsh]

Exactly why I appreciate the black look, too. Nobody is going to see it in my pack/bag and say, "Oh, I'm stealing that one." Only if they held it and used it would they then know what a treasure it is. (Obviously some bias on my part, lol.)

[inner marsh]

lol.

Yeah and you'll need all 500 of them.

[wide socket]

Still cheaper than ol snappy boi

[chilly tartan]

You can prob get a snapon with free shipping

[inner marsh]

Yeah, and the MSRP on that snappy is actually about $82.

[wide socket]

You clearly have never met a snapon rep

[chilly tartan]

Nope, never wanted a ratcheting screwdriver so

[hushed sonnet]

It doesn’t even need to look low end. Like I said before I didn’t like razer. I was judging between a razer 14 and g14. The G14 doesn’t look cheap. It’s decent build quality. But it doesn’t scream “look at me” with a giant glowing green logo on the back of it so the g14 is what I went with.

[inner marsh]

Same argument for the bookbag. "I'd never pay that much." Hell, I bought a Booq bag back in 2004/2005 and it was around $200 after tax. It was 1/3rd the size and detail. It was a GREAT bag, but for $50 I would have /easily/ gone with LTT's had it existed.

[open vapor]

Where can you buy a ratcheting screwdriver for $0.14? Even if you need to buy 500...

[chilly tartan]

Ltt is way too fat and bulky for just books n stuff

[hushed sonnet]

How am I gonna fit 500 screwdrivers in my pocket. Let alone trying to carry 2

[inner marsh]

They would rather wear out their wrists and joints and develop more callouses as well as waste time, money, and gas to replace them as they broke or wore out.

[open vapor]

bandoliers

[inner marsh]

lol

[hushed sonnet]

I don’t want to have to carry my more than one driver on me

Lol

[inner marsh]

I wasn't lying about LTT needing to make a screwdriver holster. I don't want to carry it in my pocket, but I'd love a holster that can be used with or without a belt.

I'd buy it immediately.

[wide socket]

Sounds like an adam savage one day build

[inner marsh]

Just some metal clips like my concealed carry holster. Can be used with a belt for support or just onto your pants.

[wide socket]

Is that your screwdriver or are you happy to see me

wait

no

sorry

Ill go

[little hemlock]

I'm worried about the size of the handle, I have big hands.
Linus talked about it a bit during the live stream, how people with big hands can hold it in their index-through-ring fingers, but I'm still a bit skeptical
I ordered one anyway, I'll find out when it arrives, I guess

[inner marsh]

I could probably just make/appropriate something for the task, but... I'm all about themes and matching. The bitholder I ordered off ebay for all the LTT bits I plan to grind down the logo from milwaukee, smooth it out and paint it black and orange.

Maybe throw a sticker from the sticker pack on it and clearcoat it, lol.

[inner marsh]

getout.gif

[wide socket]

imleaving.gif

[inner marsh]

lol

[hushed sonnet]

So I’ve got the goodwill nearby. It’s a goodwill outlet, if anyone happens to know what that Is. It’s basically they dump a ton of stuff in bins and you go through it all and pay by pound. Sometimes there’s computers in these. I’ve seen people carry screwdrivers on them going into the place to pull components like ram out of these desktops in bins. On the go this will be something I use my driver for. When I don’t need anything but the driver in my pocket

[wide socket]

I have like work or something like that to do

[hushed sonnet]

I’ll also use it for work, but these goodwill trips I could actually use a driver with different bits on me

[inner marsh]

Goodwill is my go-to for work jeans, lol. And wow, that's a good idea.

[lament bane]

What's the trick to getting a reply from the support people? I have a ticket open for an undelivered order, but they haven't replied in over 2 weeks.

[hushed sonnet]

Just so you know, a goodwill outlet is anything but your standard goodwill

[inner marsh]

You can try tweeting... Let me see...

[hushed sonnet]

I did not mean to ping whoops

[inner marsh]

yeah

[lament bane]

Tried that, he didnt reply

[inner marsh]

https://twitter.com/nicklmg

ahh

[hushed sonnet]

I just meant to give the twitter handle and discord hates me lol

[inner marsh]

Sadly it's a hectic time right now, so even though it's about an older order, they are swamped atm.

[inner marsh]

20 demerits.

[hushed sonnet]

Yeah it’ll likely be a while before a response

[wide socket]

Will wave 4 sellout today?

[inner marsh]

Probably not.

Wave 3 had 12k left before I slept. It's at 4k right now 12 hours later.

[lament bane]

ok, I guess I wait and see if they reply in their own time. Thanks for the suggestions

[inner marsh]

or maybe it was 10k... Either way.

[little hemlock]

selling ~600 screwdrivers every 10 minutes
I wrote a python script to track it

[vale birch]

stupid qustion, but do the screwdriver come with bits? it should right?

[inner marsh]

Yes.

Comes with a standard set.

11 bits plus magnet bit.

[wide socket]

@little hemlock Can we get some sick charts?

XD

[hushed sonnet]

They’ve sold 4k since the video

[inner marsh]

starts chanting Charts... charts... charts...

[little hemlock]

If I have the time I might make a chart

Work is pretty busy

[vale birch]

ok thanks 🙂 dident see that there was bit sets untill after i orderd mine and was like umm did i fuck up

[hushed sonnet]

I believe it was 8k something 2 hours ago

[inner marsh]

Obv make a python script to make charts.

rolls eyes

[wide socket]

Do you have data logging on it @little hemlock

[inner marsh]

is maybe only slightly jealous

[wide socket]

Im just jealous I didnt think of it

[inner marsh]

You can order the bits separate and email them to merge them. But you just have to wait as they are swamped.

[little hemlock]

I'm just printing the counts to a terminal with a time stamp

[vale birch]

naa , if they comes with the standard set its all good

[inner marsh]

https://twitter.com/nicklmg/status/1564724755596718080 Just in case you decide to.

Nick Light (@nicklmg)

@S63Tech If you reach out to support we can help you add a bit set or two to this order, it just might take some time to get through the queue. We have over 2,000 requests in there right now :S haha

Twitter · Aug 30, 2022, 9:20 PM

Specialty bits, though... You never know when you'll never need them.

[hushed sonnet]

If you send a new ticket they might be able to help. They’ve added temporary personnel

[inner marsh]

Until you do...n't...

[vale birch]

if i need em i use the Ifixit bits 😛 should work no?

[little hemlock]

This what I output to my terminal so far

[hushed sonnet]

If you ever want to repair a switch and don’t have an ifixit that specialty bit set will come in handy

Or a MacBook

[wide socket]

@little hemlock Ill write a simple Excel script to chart this LOL

[inner marsh]

That sound like witchcraft.

[hushed sonnet]

We will at least be into wave 4 by the end of the day

[willow tide]

"Heresy" perhaps?

[golden citrus]

[inner marsh]

:P

[vale birch]

noting a bit of gaffatape can fix am i right?

[inner marsh]

An individual of culture, I see.

[hushed sonnet]

4001 to go

[inner marsh]

also, a bit of an offtopic thing, but I'd recommend one of these to anyone getting a water bottle for desk use to protect the surface and make it easy to unscrew the bottle without having to pick it up and hold it with two hands: https://takeyausa.com/products/replacement-bumpers

Not sure if it's against TOS for me to link that, but it's not something LTT sells.

[inner marsh]

Looks like it's picking up since the video.

[hushed sonnet]

Absolutely. Getting near about 5k in the last 2 hours now

Will continue throughout the day as more people see the video

[inner marsh]

Yeah that's crazy. It was down to a relative snail pace compared to early sales before I went to sleep and I was hoping at least wave 4 by the time I woke up.

@little hemlock If you do decide to chart it, I'd love to see the impact before and after the PF video.

[hushed sonnet]

I imagine a lot of people are waiting till payday, and to see projectfarm and potential other reviews

[inner marsh]

This is what I was using before the LTT:

[white moss]

LTT store trying to hide reviews?

[arctic smelt]

i was and still am using ifixit

[inner marsh]

Shaft slides all the way in, super compact, but can be removed if I need to slip it into an electric driver. Spin collar at the end, as well. But no ratcheting...

[hushed sonnet]

Sure looks premium. Not like that LTT one over dem dere

[willow tide]

To be fair that's probably more an irate comment than a review

[hushed sonnet]

That’s not a review

[inner marsh]

It's like a Venn Diagram. I always had to pick 2 of 3. And while the LTT doesn't have that perfect compactness with the permanent shaft, they did a great job of creating a manageable size. I think I'm going to love it and the Wera is going to be tucked away into my car or a bugout bag.

[little hemlock]

The one star shows up in the count now. Just buggy code, I assume

[white moss]

true but it should still show

[hushed sonnet]

It’s bound to get deleted regardless. They try to to allow fake reviews

[white moss]

I don't agree with the review but they shouldn't hide it from the count

[inner marsh]

Occam's Razor. The simplest solution is usually the most correct. The fact that it's there and right up front on the most recent, but not showing up in the star count is probably a bug and not indicative of a conspiracy to hide negative reviews.

[willow tide]

Backpack xD (been there for a while they may have left it for a laugh... But yeah it doesn't show up)

[little hemlock]

1 star showing up now on screwdriver

[hushed sonnet]

Since the video released they’ve now been getting a loads of troll reviews

[inner marsh]

I'm honestly starting to get really tired of this incessant need to jump to the worst possible outcome with everything, everywhere lately. It's always a coverup. It's always a conspiracy. Elvis is really on a secret moonbase directing the world governments to hide the fact that the amount of chips in a bag really is getting smaller every year."

[wide socket]

Can you see where the video dropped?

LOL

[willow tide]

I thought the lizard people assassinated him with a cheese burger

[white moss]

tbf if he had a secret moonbase that would be sick

[inner marsh]

Hell, even with the warranty thing. While I know it's basically been settled, I felt it amusing how nobody brought up how GN sold a tool kit in 2019 and didn't have a warranty for it or put one out for over a year. But damn, if Linus does it we need to press the attack.

[hushed sonnet]

Many fake reviews now. People who have no intention of buying it

[inner marsh]

I mean... Yeah XD

How do we not, honestly? Just dig a hole and put up some doors. Grow some lettuce inside for air. Be done with it. That easy, right?

[hushed sonnet]

Hopefully they can figure a better system than they have been for the popups when releasing a new product category. Better reviews system

[candid fern]

I submitted a ticket for August 3rd, got an answer august 23rd

[inner marsh]

I can't believe someone flew from Spain for a screwdriver... lol.

[candid fern]

They are working on it slowly

[little hemlock]

Agreed. Maybe a unique url with each purchase that can be used to submit a review

[hushed sonnet]

Hell if they were buying a backpack too maybe cutting out shipping was worth it lol.

[inner marsh]

I mean, it was made to fit under a plane's seat, so...

[hushed sonnet]

Also simply getting it early

That person bought a backpack as well right?

[inner marsh]

I don't recall it being mentioned.

The kid that got burned bought a backpack.

To be fair, he did the torque test using an upside down grip, but it's such a funny clip.

[hushed sonnet]

A few people did. He got a free screwdriver tho

[inner marsh]

Yah

He deserved it after that burn on live stream.

[wide socket]

@little hemlock Do you have an updated text file?

[white moss]

[hushed sonnet]

Do any of you have small tool bags you use?

[inner marsh]

I use... let me find it.

https://www.amazon.com/Rugged-Tools-Titan-Deluxe-Tool/dp/B07ZP8Z56L

[hushed sonnet]

I’m thinking really small. I just want something to fit my LTT driver. Ifixit set. Set of Allen keys. Different pliers and cutters, spudgers

[inner marsh]

I gotcha. Let me see...

Checking out Deviant Ollam and seeing his EDC kit.

[dry bolt]

I keep some stuff in a Maxpedition Fatty, but thats probably too small for what you are looking for

[inner marsh]

@https://www.amazon.com/OneTigris-Horizontal-Utility-Organizer-Pocket/dp/B07M7CW8FJ

Smaller that that?

I might actually grab one of these or something similar.

[hushed sonnet]

Pretty close to what I’m thinking

[inner marsh]

just look up "EDC Tool Bag"

[hushed sonnet]

Maybe a few more divided pouches

[inner marsh]

anything every day carry is going to be small and minimalistic

[inner marsh]

o _O

[hushed sonnet]

Wow

I’ve wow. My connection was that spotty

[inner marsh]

You did us a favor.

[hushed sonnet]

I’ve never seen something corrupt like that while sending and still be visible at all

[inner marsh]

lol

[hushed sonnet]

At that point it’d just fail

[white moss]

[wide socket]

Bruh

[willow tide]

Is this what happens when you combine AI with LTT fanfics

[inner marsh]

@hushed sonnet https://www.maxpedition.com/products/mini-pocket-organizer Check this one out.

[little hemlock]

updates:
there are 4036 screwdrivers left in wave 3 at 14:46:29 on 08/31/2022
there are 3524 screwdrivers left in wave 3 at 14:56:29 on 08/31/2022
there are 3017 screwdrivers left in wave 3 at 15:06:29 on 08/31/2022
there are 2455 screwdrivers left in wave 3 at 15:16:30 on 08/31/2022

[wide socket]

Ive been using magnetic screwdrivers for yeats on computers

[inner marsh]

Lol, that magnetic corruption thing has been disproven so many times. The strength of a magnet required could mean you'd never be able to remove the bit from the screwdriver.

[hushed sonnet]

It would even show differently thumbnail vs tapping on it

[inner marsh]

I think mythbusters did a segment about it and numerous others. That little screwdriver magnet isn't going to do anything except maybe make a CRT go wonky... which is fun.

[hushed sonnet]

Looks decent but on the small side

[inner marsh]

Check out their stuff. They have sizes that go up. But they are well known in the EDC community.

[wide socket]

Trendline tho

[hushed sonnet]

I don’t recall mythbusyers ever doing a hard drive investigation

[chilly tartan]

What's this

[little hemlock]

I wrote a script that tracks the screwdriver stock every 10 minutes, JVarhol has been turning it into a chart

start time was 3:45pm yesterday

[chilly tartan]

Nice

I wanted to that with backpack but without the day 1 numbers I didn't rly care

[inner marsh]

Mythbusters did some huge magnet related thing involving data, but I can't remember what it was. But the magnet on a HDD thing has been gone over plenty of times. You'd need a pretty strong magnet. I've had people freak out when I mentioned the LED strips I had in my case were magnets.

[chilly tartan]

Yea nah

[inner marsh]

And wow, nice.

[chilly tartan]

I doubt a screwdriver is gonna bust a hdd

[inner marsh]

Thanks for the charts!

[wide socket]

Google Sheets FTW

[hushed sonnet]

OH that’s a 100k order chart. I thought that was just every 10k screwdrivers

Could it be broken down by the wave?

Time

[wide socket]

uhm

Yea I just took the lazy route

his script is every 10 min

Minimal effort

[hushed sonnet]

There’s no time indication at the bottom I couldn’t tell when what happened lol

[dim thistle]

why the bleep is shipping to the eu so fricking expencive.

[inner marsh]

Just a small example, but this guy opened his HDD up and hovered a magnet right above the spinning platters. It did nothing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWXDOAxqtuI HDD worked fine with no apparent data loss. Not super scientific and could use a much better setup, but... I think it shows that you'd need a much stronger magnet than the little thing inside our screwdrivers.

[dim thistle]

first the backpack, now the screwdriver, i want to buy the stuff, it looks great. but no way in heck i'm paying 100+ dollars in shipping

[hushed sonnet]

I get that much. I was just wondering what part of mythbusters I didn’t watch lol

[inner marsh]

I think it's more about a strong magnet causing the mechanical bits inside to shift during use, which requires a much stronger one.

[inner marsh]

let me find it... I may be wrong what it was about.

[hushed sonnet]

2k left

[vivid stirrup]

Bruh you lie

[inner marsh]

@hushed sonnet Found it. Can't find the episode number, but it was about magnetic strips on credit cards/key cards, not drives. Derp. "Credit-Card Magnetic Strips Experiments carried out on the television show Mythbusters determined that a magnetic field of 1000 gauss is needed to corrupt the information on a credit card’s magnetic strip. "

[hushed sonnet]

Who lies?

[wide socket]

Google sucks

[raw cairn]

Say that to my face

[stuck torrent]

the mythbusters thing was pertaining to eelskin wallets and similar potentially wiping magnetic data on cards. Various youtube things specifically for computers/HDDs though if one doesn't want to extrapolate.

[inner marsh]

I don't know anything about eelskin, but I mentioned the other bit above.

[vivid stirrup]

Bruh 45,000 in a day

[vivid stirrup]

You made a excell sheet of time and amount

[hushed sonnet]

Nearly Half of the whole production run in 24 hours

[wide socket]

@vivid stirrup Yea I wanted to graph waves separate but its being dumb

Here is with date and times

[hushed sonnet]

Just graph 100k-85k. 85-70. 70-55

[vivid stirrup]

Try that's cool but have you tried it in work

Word

[stuck torrent]

Yeah the wallet thing was just the original myth (Is there residual magnetism from electric eel skin that'd ruin your cards) that lead to the bigger exploration. Episode 3 of either season 1 or season 2 depending on what sources labelling system you want to use.

[hushed sonnet]

1k remaining for wave 3

It released 20 Minutes ago yesterday right? Like 20 minutes ago was the 24 hour mark

[inner marsh]

Sounds about right.

[raw cairn]

Cant wait to get my buy 1 get 1 screwdriver.

[open vapor]

Goodbye wave 3

[formal zenith]

45,000 screwdrivers in 3 days, mega job for a first time tool company

[hushed sonnet]

Wave 4 now

[hushed sonnet]

Only been a single day hasn’t it?

[jovial rivet]

Barely

[raw cairn]

Theyve been a tool company for a long...long time.

[formal zenith]

You’re right, it’s a little over 24 hours

Todays video is probably going to bump sales a bit

[jovial rivet]

Yes

Most people likely weren’t aware until the video dropped

[hushed sonnet]

It definitely has

[inner marsh]

I feel like they should take the one he dropped right off the line, sign it, and throw it up for charity.

[raw cairn]

How much would you pay extra for a signature..

[inner marsh]

Like I said, a charity thing. People always spend more than something is worth for charity. Just the fact that you get the one he couldn't hold onto before it was barely out of the press makes it amusing and, you know, the memes.

Why does anyone pay extra for anything collectible? It's all arbitrary, really.

[faint sorrel]

Hello, does any1 know if the LTT screwdriver going to be an insulated screwdriver/ how many volts can that baby handle?⚡(second time asking)

[inner marsh]

I'd imagine you could look up the material it's made from and see what it's rated for to get a very /very/ general idea, but what with thickness, shape, etc., all being variables, I don't know if you can get too certain. I don't believe it was made with insulation being an objective.

[acoustic nebula]

It's not

[faint sorrel]

I think i might be tempted to use it when i shouldn't if i get one then😅

cheers

[inner marsh]

If you wanted insulated, I'd say look into Felo, Wiha, etc., but I'm not sure you're going to find an insulated screwdriver with any other features like ratcheting, etc., as it inherently detracts from the insulation.

[formal zenith]

Honestly I don’t get why so many people are salty about the screwdriver, idk how you could watch that video and not be impressed with the dedication

The sales numbers don’t lie though

[faint sorrel]

I do a lot of electrical work...

[inner marsh]

It's a vocal minority, imo. Just like people who downvote a post for no reason and then an hour later you see the negatives have been outpaced by the positives.

[formal zenith]

Twitter trolls be trolling

[inner marsh]

@faint sorrel Didn't say you weren't! Was just saying I'm not sure there's really an insulated driver that does all the stuff the LTT one does. So if you like the driver, get it, but if you're going to be tempted to use the gnurling while working on live wires... then don't, lol.

[faint sorrel]

just thought i'd put a reason to my question👍

[inner marsh]

Mmhmm! I figured you were in that field.

[dry bolt]

Honestly though, if you have support/product questions, you should email their support and not a public discord that isn't really monitored....

[formal zenith]

Or ask them on Twitter

[faint sorrel]

i think i did email way back, or was going to. as for twitter, i don't own any social media

[inner marsh]

Thing about that is they are /swamped/ right now and getting a response quickly probably isn't feasible atm.

So asking here where people might know the answer is far faster.

We've had people in here mentioning emails and inquiries they sent off weeks ago without response.

[formal zenith]

Backpack and screwdriver releasing so close together would be a hassle for the CS Team id imagine

[inner marsh]

They'll get there, but yeah, they released two hyped products back to back.

I really wish I had enough stuff to warrant the backpack, but it would just be an ornament for me.

[formal zenith]

Imagine how much LTT merch would have cost if they moved to Taiwan 10 years ago haha

[raw cairn]

Yeah but...because he touched it?.... like cmon bro he isnt some god amongst mortals.

Your line of thinking would be cool if it was a special custom one with like...gold plating or something.

[inner marsh]

Like every baseball, basketball, etc., ever touched by someone that the public deems significant in any way.

[raw cairn]

That I could get behind

[raw cairn]

Yeah, because they're ussualy pros that have alot of major accomplishments in their sport.

[inner marsh]

And I said for /charity/. Like I said, people always go wild for charities.

Ehh, there's countless examples of people wanting things from youtubers and people that are popular or famous online for any reason.

This isn't some unusual or novel concept, lol.

[raw cairn]

Ussualy itd be the first off the line. But we all know those ones were....defective.

[inner marsh]

That doesn't matter to people. Collectability is arbitrary.

[hushed sonnet]

They could probably test their screwdriver for electrical insulation with all the new equipment they have. But of course any formal testing would have marketing costs, and since it’s a safety measurement, lawyers involved

[inner marsh]

People collect things with defects all the time, even.

[hushed sonnet]

I think products that require real safety testing Linus may keep away from simply because of potential liability if they don’t perform how marketed

[inner marsh]

Yeah. I doubt they will list the insulation properties as it's not something they built it for and don't want to encourage the use for things it's not designed for.

[hushed sonnet]

So he might be able to give an insulative value, but doing so could open him up to legal trouble if a screwdriver happens to not match that and something occurs

[inner marsh]

@raw cairn I wasn't trying to say it was some terrific idea, but that the moment he dropped it, I just /knew/ there were people thinking they'd want to own the one he dropped. He might not be popular to everyone or at such heights that you might consider anything collectible, but I can guarantee you there's a large subset of followers who would love to own stuff he dropped just /because/.

I didn't want to come off as being hard headed about the idea. I've just seen far dumber ideas in someone's collection, lol.

[raw cairn]

Naw I get your idea. It's a good one.

[inner marsh]

I'm a sucker for charities.

[raw cairn]

They should actually do some special one so even the normies get on board

[inner marsh]

Yeah, even a one-off one would be interesting. In fact, I think they accidentally hinted at possible collaborations in the future for colors and such.

So, who knows.

[hushed sonnet]

My guess is giving the screwdriver any sort of safety certification could lead to legal trouble if one unit would happen to not meet that and something happens. I get the feeling they’re staying away from things regarding safety for now

[stiff epoch]

Soon screwdriver and backpack will ship at the same time but you are forced to have 2 different orders

efficiency!

[inner marsh]

You can contact them to combine if they haven't shipped yet, I believe. Though, again, long delays in response atm.

[raw cairn]

Sales numbers =/= good product btw. Just...throwing that out there.

Esp if it's been.. 24h

[stiff epoch]

it doesn't really apply to me, I was just always annoyed by the backpack separate order thing

I have a wave 1 backpack and a first few hundred units screwdriver wave 2 :c

[inner marsh]

:<

[hushed sonnet]

How long have they been working on backpack vs screwdriver?

[willow tide]

You get special electrical tools for a reason (either anti static or whatever, or designed to deal with high voltage etc...)

[fair stone]

im salty my screwdrivers are in wave 3

[willow tide]

Being salty as it's could be perceived as expensive etc etc doesn't make it a bad one either

[inner marsh]

True, though I feel pretty confident it's a good product based on how open he was, delaying sales until reviews were out, submitting it to PF, etc for testing. And honestly, it's based on existing good products and then taken steps beyond and further refined. It's probably going to be fine. Could it be terrible? Sure, but immensely doubtful at this point.

Don't get me wrong, I'm over hyped and, while not bias towards the branding/who it's made by, it does almost everything I've wanted in a driver, so I'm pretty excited. If it's bad, I'll be honest about it, but I wouldn't have thrown out the money for it and all the bits if I didn't have some good faith.

I'm trying to think of a product that got hyped up and was bad. There's been so many over my lifetime, lol.

I never did like my Slap Chop...

[hushed sonnet]

Reading people wonder if it has a warranty in the comments just hurts

[crisp osprey]

Do you guys think the black shaft will really wear out quickly ?

[obtuse radish]

I got one at like 2:40 pm

It was wave 3

[obtuse radish]

Oh u said WEAR OUT.

I have no idea

[stuck torrent]

Really its the sort of thing that'll vary wildly based on how you use it. Theres going to be people who are going to get a visible scratch the first time they use it as they jam it in on a weird angle between case and heat sink, and theres people who are going to go 10 years and it'll look good as new since they only use it for things where they have clear access to the screw without scraping the shaft.

[obtuse radish]

^

[crisp osprey]

I’ll take the black one, if I luckily don’t scratch it it’ll be a bit “limited edition” ig

[raw cairn]

It will. But jus the tip tho

[inner marsh]

Wow, already nearly* 4000 orders into wave 4 already. That picked up /fast/.

[serene creek]

3266XX backpack shipping confirmed (UK) 📦🥳

[polar lion]

As of now they’ve sold 1k over half of their inventory, dayum

Napkin math says that is 3.47 million USD (of course math could be as far off as 300k) but still, thats a pretty penny

[hushed sonnet]

Well. 400 more drivers and they’ll have sold through half of planned production

Oh actually they already have. Didn’t realize it was a 97k production run and not a full 100k run lol

[polar lion]

Yeah it was an awkward number

[hushed sonnet]

Still only barely over halfway through backpacks

[inner marsh]

I think the rough estimate of production costs, including the deposit they are trying to get back, was like 700k'ish. That's /rough/ and probably underestimated, but even if we bump it up to $1M, they are already in the green, I think. Hopefully it helps them with cashflow to have two successful launches.

[stiff epoch]

wait they started shipping backpacks already?

[polar lion]

Oh yeah they have been

[hushed sonnet]

On Monday they received their first shipping unit of 1500

Their first container

[polar lion]

So more napkin math, if they spent a mil on production, and use the same 70/USD, its almost 6.8mil

[stiff epoch]

ah good to know

[polar lion]

Thats nearly 6 mil in profit

[stiff epoch]

I think I was fairly late in wave 1

uh

[hushed sonnet]

I doubt they’re making that much margin

[stiff epoch]

I think you are overestimating their profit margin

[polar lion]

Oh defintiely

[stiff epoch]

and those patents probably aren't cheap

[polar lion]

Its a crappy napkin im doing math on

🤣

[hushed sonnet]

Each unit is probably $54 in cost is my guess

[stiff epoch]

I think 1 mil in profit is more realistic xD

which is still insane

[hushed sonnet]

Weirdly specific but that’s my guess

[polar lion]

That would make more sense out of the vacuum

[stiff epoch]

also they pay their staff really well

and 3 years worth of development for the screwdriver is expensive af

[polar lion]

Hopefully they get their money back from that Taiwan tooler

[stiff epoch]

I think they should

[wide socket]

ltt has said several times they usually have a 50% markup on all their products so I'm guessing the cost is closer to 35 a piece

[stiff epoch]

I would be less confident if it was a chinese factory xd

@wide socket they also said that cheaper products "subsidise" the more expensive ones

[inner marsh]

Ehh, Chinese doesn't equal bad. There just happens to be a lot of low quality Chinese stuff. If you find the right company and keep an eye on things, it's normally not an issue.

Anker, for example, has a ton of quality stuff.

[stiff epoch]

I am talking about getting the money back. Have fun trying to sue a chinese company and actually get your money back

[inner marsh]

Oh, well yeah.

[wide socket]

I used to know a guy that did a lot of work with Chinese supplier he said you get what you asked for and you get what you pay for. the problem really is not the Chinese suppliers it's the US consumers we demand a cheaper product so they make it cheaper

[stiff epoch]

the chinese company actually produced a better screwdriver

they even managed to clone the screwdriver and had a better result xd

[hushed sonnet]

Well it wasn’t better at first. Changes weren’t implemented. Linus was just impressed

As they realized they forgot to send the updated drawings

[stiff epoch]

I think it was better than the equivalent samples

[hushed sonnet]

Better than what was supposed to be the “final” unit from Taiwan

[stiff epoch]

y

[hushed sonnet]

But that’s because that toilet shit the bed

[polar lion]

Interesting analogy lol

[hushed sonnet]

“Tooler” lol

I’m not fixing the original

Not this time

[inner marsh]

That's definitely truth in part. Though there's also rampant theft of IP and counterfeit/forgery in China in all parts of their country. And the CCP actively encourages it and doesn't punish anyone for it. Like anything, I think it just requires due diligence. You'll never win anything in regards to Chinese Law, but if you're careful you can still get a quality product.

What you said, however, is also true for a large segment of Chinese commerce. When you push for cheap, you get cheap.

[polar lion]

Fair enough 😋

[bold ledge]

Who does lttstore ship with?

Assuming continental Us

[inner marsh]

I think Canada Post > USPS hand off.

Though I don't think they have a /dedicated/ carrier.

[onyx drum]

I wanna say Fedex? I think that’s who delivered my waterbottle and mousepad. I cant remember. Was so long ago.

[inner marsh]

I'm seeing mentions of Canada Post, USPS, Fedex...

[bold ledge]

Hmm, I certainly hope they don't use FedEx ground because I've had items disappear into the void of the troutdale Oregon sorting center for over a week

For some reason for a 3 state area (Idaho, Oregon, Washington state), there is only 1 ground hub until it gets to the local hub

[unborn cloud]

Anyone got a response from LTT after messaging about the screwdriver replacement?

I messaged monday and still nothing

[onyx drum]

Yea the site says something about there being a high volume of customer service stuff. So I guess you just gotta wait.

Jeez, thats a lot more than I had imagined.

[stuck torrent]

was like 1200 prior to screwdriver launch, and that didn't exactly help.

[unborn cloud]

not to mention that most people who bought a driver probably have opened a ticket now

[onyx drum]

Are they that bad? That kinda disappoints me. I wanted to get one and the back pack when I get paid.

[unborn cloud]

The drivers aren't bad, but they're replacing all the ones bought at the popup

[onyx drum]

Ahhh that make sense

[stiff epoch]

huh?

[little hemlock]

I wonder how many people opened tickets because they ordered the screwdriver and the standard bits again by accident because they didn’t realize they’re included

[stiff epoch]

what happened to the popup shop ones?

[hushed sonnet]

I’m wonder how though my out the two launches were while they were working on the two different products

[glossy phoenix]

How did they remedy units already ordered or was this defect assumed / hoped to only effect only the ones the received so far?

[unborn cloud]

Only the pop up shop ones are affected

[hushed sonnet]

Only pop up shop ones were affect. Fixed in Full production

[glossy phoenix]

I know that’s what they are saying, but did they explain what the issue was? They already had units on order / shipped before pop up.

[lapis coyote]

Thats why im getting a free screwdriver

[unborn cloud]

same

[lapis coyote]

[stuck torrent]

Theres a decent chance that many of the pop up shop owners wouldn't ever actually subject their screwdriver to the 'certain stressful conditions', and so they easily could have done nothing and just deal with the specific cases as they came up, but the TMB warranty in action means all the owners essentially get a free screwdriver.

[unborn cloud]

figure I'll give my "defective" driver to a friend or a family member

[stuck torrent]

I think nick did respond to someone asking what the specifc hiccup was and why it was fixed in real units, but theres an awful lot of nick responses in the past while so I can't easily find it.

[lapis coyote]

Im sending mine to SnazzyLabs

I think he is gonna test it to see how the defective thing happens

[bold ledge]

I wish the orange screwdriver didn't have an orange ass, just an orange selection ring

[stuck torrent]

on further digging, heres what was said on the specific issue with pop up shop ones: https://twitter.com/nicklmg/status/1564407856593608706

Nick Light (@nicklmg)

@Knightw0lf_ @LinusTech The functional aspects are totally fine, its a small issue with the bit storage. Basically the press fit tool is deforming a bit of plastic inside the handle. Ratchet system is totally fine

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Twitter · Aug 30, 2022, 12:21 AM

[unborn cloud]

same

[unborn cloud]

that would've been the one I bought, but the orange end makes it feel too orange

[lapis coyote]

Orange best

[unborn cloud]

I'm tryna convince my brother (who got orange) to trade defective ones

[bold ledge]

85 bucks is hard to justify for just a screwdriver but I am prone to losing bits from other screwdrivers so I'm considering it

[proven steeple]

they have sold a lot in just the 2 days

[bold ledge]

Orders went live today

[inner marsh]

I mean, $800 for a refurbished Aeron desk chair was hard to justify. 14 years later and it's still going strong.

[proven steeple]

it was yesterday for me. I got an email and ordered yesterday

[inner marsh]

I really don't mind paying more for quality and features if it's going to last a long time.

when if I keep spending 30 or 40 on screwdrivers and they start to wear out, get loose, snap parts, etc., it's worse in the long run

I don't have the screwdriver. I can't attest to the quality. I'd say wait on the PF review if you're nervous.

[light bramble]

B R U H.wav

Before

Oh now ain that just the prettiest thing eh?

[inner marsh]

Nice!

[stiff epoch]

to be honest I am not the biggest fan of the ltt deskpad design

it is fine but a bit boring?

I am surprised that they still haven't released a new design

I guess I just saw it way too many times already

[inner marsh]

That's probably what it is. You get numb to it and since it's all they have, you aren't as inspired by it over time. But I imagine having it in front of you is a bit different. To be fair, black is the most common deskpad out there and nothing is more boring than just... black.

[bold ledge]

Meh, I'm fine with my 10 dollar Corsair mousepad

[onyx drum]

Its literally the best pad Ive ever used. I live mine. Gonna have to get another as a back up.

[inner marsh]

It's why I'm just going to have a custom one commissioned.

[stiff epoch]

I am sure the quality is excellent

I am just a bit bored of the design

I am also a bit bored of my corsair deskpad xd

[inner marsh]

Hell, it's why I change my keycaps out ever couple years.

Mix things up.

[light bramble]

The LTT deskpad will get a review after I put it through an important stress test

[stiff epoch]

still I expected them to release a different design at some point

[light bramble]

Can I clean it in the washing machine with my darks

[onyx drum]

Good luck with that

[hushed sonnet]

Did they release the screwdriver before the video to give special heads up to the people who signed up for email first you think?

[inner marsh]

Depends on what kind of washing machine. Also I wouldn't wash it with anything other than itself.

[light bramble]

The plain black one withstood the wash cycle just fine!

[inner marsh]

I've washed mine in a top loader, and it's survived three times, but I started to see minor damage to the underside rubber due to the agitation of the top loading design.

[onyx drum]

Id just wash it by hand in the sink. Im not sure how well I trust a washing machine.

[bold ledge]

My mousepad is perfectly adequate for me

[inner marsh]

But putting stuff in with it is a great way to raise fibers and cause annoyances.

[bold ledge]

And yes I know my desk is messy

[stiff epoch]

there is so much wrong with this xD

[light bramble]

Never had an issue throwing it in with my regular laundry

[sudden mountain]

Can the new screwdrivers be picked up in person in the lower mainland?

[light bramble]

If it stands up well, hey, I can let folks know in the review

[bold ledge]

Nope

Linus really needs a retail location though

[onyx drum]

I wish I was at home to show off mine. Not a wire in sight. Two different monitors though. 😬 I plan on changing that once I get me a driver and a backpack.

[stiff epoch]

retail is expensive

[sudden mountain]

Dang, I was hoping to avoid shipping but not a huge issue

[onyx drum]

Just like MicroCenter that I have to drive two and a half hours to because its the closest one to me in Ohio.

But that would be sweet

[sudden mountain]

They wouldn't need a retail store, just the option to pick up onsite at their warehouse

[bold ledge]

Poor you, it's a 17 hour drive or 2 hour flight for me to the nearest micro center

[onyx drum]

Yikes!

[bold ledge]

And I live in the Continental US

[inner marsh]

Same, lol.

[onyx drum]

Now I don’t feel so bad lol.

[sudden mountain]

I'm visiting home in the states and I have a microcenter 15min away. Never realized how lucky I was until I moved away

[onyx drum]

I live in Pittsburgh. I can either go to the one in Maryland or Ohio.

[stiff epoch]

Poor you, it's a 17 hour flight for me to the nearest micro center :^)

[bold ledge]

There are only 2 micro centers in the Western US, one in orange county south of Los Angeles, and another one in Denver.

[stiff epoch]

(not really but you get the point xd)

[onyx drum]

To be honest though im glad I dont live closer to a Micro Center. Id be so homeless with an army of computer components.. 😂

[sudden mountain]

Is there a way to set the lttstore to cad currency? Or is it geolocked

[stiff epoch]

it is always paid in usd

[hushed sonnet]

Honestly after watching the video, I might’ve gone for a silver shaft instead of black

[stiff epoch]

the costs are in usd

so they just price it in usd and convert

[bold ledge]

Here's a map of all of them, you're kinda fucked if you live in the Pacific Northwest like I do

[stiff epoch]

there is a very good reason why Linus decided not to make the black one. Popular demand is the only reason why we even have the black one

the email announcement of the decision showed some really ugly wear

and that was after a fairly short amount of time

[hushed sonnet]

Yeah. I just wish the video had come before sale started. I kind of rushed to make a decision so I could get in the second wave when I saw it.

[bold ledge]

I'm in wave 4

[wild sigil]

me too

[stiff epoch]

in the end it is still just a tool and some scratches aren't all that relevant

[hushed sonnet]

I thought it wasn’t going to go live until today. Othwise I might’ve also gone orange and black instead

[wild sigil]

i hope i get mine fast

[stiff epoch]

wave 2 first 300 units or something like that =/

[wild sigil]

but it says on the website that WAVE 4 (15,000 PIECES) - SHIPS FROM OUR WAREHOUSE BY NOVEMBER 20

[stiff epoch]

yes?

[wild sigil]

so maybe i have to be patience

[bold ledge]

Yeah,

[wild sigil]

and wait

[bold ledge]

I was one of the last 400 units of wave 1 of the backpack

[wild sigil]

aha nice

[stiff epoch]

I think I was like last 2000 units of wave 1

[wild sigil]

ok nice

i think i also want to buy the ltt backpack

[bold ledge]

I saw the backpack video right when it came out and then debated for a few hours and decided to get it, but I was at work when this video dropped

[wild sigil]

ok i understand

anyhow im really excited about the screwdriver

[onyx drum]

Me too. I am about the backpack too

[wild sigil]

ok

[onyx drum]

My wallet doesnt feel the same excitement about it though. 😂

[wild sigil]

yeah true

[stiff epoch]

In a bit over 2 years I managed to wear my MOS blackpack grande so much that it is nearly unusable. A seam on the strap failed and it got worse and worse. Of course I got a warranty replacement but I don't really trust that.
So I decided to sell that and get the LTT bag instead

[bold ledge]

They are at about 52000 screwdrivers sold so far today, times 70 bucks is 3.6 million dollars in a few hours

[hushed sonnet]

I got the MOS. Good bag. Ended up giving it to a friend

[onyx drum]

Holy shit. I knew they were gonna make some money, but damn

[wild sigil]

wow amazing

[onyx drum]

I really wanna know how much they’re making on the backpacks lol

[hushed sonnet]

Something about backpacks in general I don’t like. Just keeping them on your back. I’ve moved to briefcase type messenger bags

[wild sigil]

yeah me too

[inner marsh]

I'm a messenger bag person, too. Though, to be fair, they are far more limited in carrying capacity and organization.

[hushed sonnet]

They never hold their shape (except the ltt does now apparently so cool)

[bold ledge]

I bought an Eddie Bauer backpack 2 years ago for 40 bucks, that other than a burn mark that was my fault still looks pretty much brand new

[stiff epoch]

My guess would be like 50-70$

[hushed sonnet]

Mine was also how much bags take up in space. If they released a slightly slimmer version I might jump on it

I might be willing to Sacrafice the middle compartment

If it’s still that quality

[inner marsh]

I'd buy an LTT messenger bag if it was given the same care.

I loved my Booq bag, back in the day, and the LTT one seems higher quality for about the same price.

[hushed sonnet]

Generally I also just like smaller laptops, so I don’t need a bag capable of carrying a 17 inch laptop for my 14inch G14

[bold ledge]

I honestly bet their cost is probably in the neighborhood of 70 to 100 bucks tops, plus shipping overseas which is probably 10-20 a unit, I honestly bet even after fulfillment, they are netting 100-150 bucks a unit (not including design costs though).

[hushed sonnet]

I’d guess their cost per unit is closer to something like 165

They’ve put a lot more stitching and work in, which means more hours goes into making it

[stiff epoch]

Yeah and you have to reserve a part of the money for warranty replacements

[hushed sonnet]

Going into costs for everything, I might guess 60$ per bag in company profit on average

[stiff epoch]

Based on what I can tell cheaper stuff from LMG has a lot higher percentage margin than their expensive stuff

[bold ledge]

Yeah, I mean they also probably aren't getting as good of a deal as a company like Jansport or someone that sells millions of backpacks a year, a few 10,000s isn't nothing but they aren't really a competitor to a bigger company

[hushed sonnet]

As they do also subsidize shipping some

[hushed sonnet]

To be fair compared to MOS they might have quite a few units. Are there any MOS numbers out there?

[stiff epoch]

MOS seems fairly irrelevant to me

especially after they got bought

they are definitely outselling MOS by a lot

[stiff epoch]

look at the blackpack grande kickstarter

the deal on it was insane

[bold ledge]

I'm honestly surprised they fulfill out of Canada vs somewhere like Seattle because domestic shipping is considerably cheaper and the US market I'm sure is much larger than their Canadian market

[stiff epoch]

they don't want to put in the effort to have a company in a different country

[hushed sonnet]

One thing I liked about them was the original MOS, as I ended up ordering one was the Reach+. The cord extension with two USB ports and an outlet inside their bag.

[stiff epoch]

that gets really complicated and expensive

[hushed sonnet]

That would make them international which becomes very complicated

[bold ledge]

Don't they outsource fulfillment?

[hushed sonnet]

I would have loved a cable wxternder type for the ltt bag. If they had that i might’ve bought it, but without it my justification will be a slimmer model

[stiff epoch]

For me the entire cable stuff in my blackpack grande is lacking some refinement to really make sense

[hushed sonnet]

I think Linus could’ve made it make sense with his attention to detail

It was a bit janky how mos did it

[stiff epoch]

Yeah and most of my issues come from their powerbank

[hushed sonnet]

I also didn’t like all the elastic straps in the MOS

[stiff epoch]

for example a usb c to lightning cable always keeps the powerbank on and it slowly drains over a few days even if you don't plug a phone in

[hushed sonnet]

That’s just lightning cable issues

Apple’s MFI certification for cables

I blame apple

[stiff epoch]

I blame the cutoff they choose to turn the powerbank off

[hushed sonnet]

I could have a very low power device I want to keep powered

[stiff epoch]

then don't use a powerbank with 100w output for that xD

[hushed sonnet]

So carry multiple power banks on me at all times got it

[stiff epoch]

or set the cutoff for the 5?w output higher

you probably don't use usb c for low power devices

at least not on the powerbank side

[hushed sonnet]

I’m a very mobile user in general. I’ve got a G14, iPad mini, PsVita, PSPgo, switch lite. I won’t consider a steam deck until things get smaller, and would rather a dual sense with my G14. But finding a bag to accommodate this all with pockets while also not feeling unnecessary is hard.

[stiff epoch]

and charging the powerbank disables all the fast outputs on it... which means you have to wire everything interally to either their power brick or the power bank.

You can't just go wall -> PSU -> powerbank -> devices

[hushed sonnet]

I plan on buying a very large power bank with an actual outlet on it regardless anyway. Never really tried or cared for any mos powerbank

[stiff epoch]

Still a nice powerbank (even though it has one micro b input)

but it is ideal for the backpack it was made for

[stiff epoch]

Isn't that really heavy? And probably over 100wh?

[hushed sonnet]

One of the smaller anker power stations or the small jackery ones

Or theyres some tube shaped power banks with an outlet on them. Makes them good to carry vertically in a bag

I would rarely need the outlet. But good I’m emergency if the power goes out again and I need a fan to sleep

[stiff epoch]

I mean... you don't need high voltage for a fan

there are usb fans

And I am sure there are solutions to plug a Noctua fan into a powerbank xD

[light bramble]

I'm happy theres a MicroCenter in Cambridge.

It's next door to MIT of course XD

[marsh cape]

Got a pretty cool desk pad today

[light bramble]

deskpad brofist

[hushed sonnet]

There are. I just need moving air to sleep. Generally no telling if I might need an outlet in general. Having the option would be better than not.

[final quail]

Just got my email from Canada Post. Backpack delivery tomorrow. Wooot.

[light bramble]

Wait, are Wave 1 bags on their way out!?

[final quail]

The first 1500 are

They got one container out of the port. The others are still stuck

[marsh cape]

best part about owning ltt merch is i get to say THE LINE anytime someone asks about it

[final quail]

I had Order 66 (lol) so mine got sent really early in the queue

[sullen frost]

Nice!!!!

[sullen frost]

• happy Palpatine noises

[waxen python]

This may be something important. Both are recent reviews for the LTT Screwdriver.

[onyx drum]

Im patiently awaiting this day myself. Sucks I dont have a lot of friends that are into computers and tech. The ones that sorta are are causal console peeps.

[marsh cape]

Just got it today and a friend asked where I bought it from. I deeply inhaled slapped my hand down on the pad “lttstore.com”

[onyx drum]

Hahaha thats great!

I take my water bottle literally everywhere in hopes someone will notice where its from or ask where to get one so I can say the line.

Not a lot of nerds in Pittsburgh I guess, lol.

[near escarp]

Welp it will wear out but you only die once

For some reason

I feel as if linus did this

[hushed sonnet]

They really only got 42k screwdrivers left

[proven steeple]

about 5000 left of wave 4

[light bramble]

The bag I was excited for because I see a great use for it

The screwdriver? Ehhhh

[copper oracle]

black shafts stiil avail??

yes they are

anyone know how they ship

[inner marsh]

I was the opposite. I'll use the screwdriver to death, but I've got nothing that would even remotely use the backpack to its fullest.

[inner marsh]

They are being produced alongside, so, at least initially, there shouldn't be that much of a delay. Maybe a couple weeks, I think I heard. Not sure about further out.

[copper oracle]

oh not timing I mean like which carrier they use to deliver

canada post lost my ekster wallet

luckily they replace it for free but it wasnt the limited edition one i ordered ugh

[inner marsh]

Oh!

[copper oracle]

and they claimed it was delivered

[inner marsh]

They don't have a set in stone carrier.

Canada Post, USPS, Fedex, etc.

[copper oracle]

damn

i pray it doesnt get stolen or lost

[inner marsh]

If it's UPS or Fedex, you can leave a note to deliver it to a specific spot/location. For USPS, I've left notes in the mailbox sometimes and gotten a good response.

I imagine Canada Post is similar if you get a carrier having a good day, lol.

[copper oracle]

ya idk about canada post when they lost my wallet i called them and they said it was delivered

they told me to go back to the pplace i ordered and tell them

they really screwed me

there was no convincing otherwise

it was tracked too!