folding-and-boinc

[humble rover]

https://stats.foldingathome.org/team/223518

[toxic wing]

well the computer started cooking and it says its gonna make me 5000 points

[humble rover]

Keep in mind the numbers right when you start aren't super accurate, give it a few minutes to settle in

[toxic wing]

is it working?

ok

[humble rover]

@toxic wing You can also open the advanced control from the task bar if you need to fine tune anything. Also since you're on chrome, might want to check out this extension

https://folding.lar.systems/

[toxic wing]

ok i got that extension but i dont know what it does

Oh i refreshed the page and now i see

[humble rover]

Just collects performance data to see how hardware is progressing

You can see the database of all active samples on the LAR site

[toxic wing]

Oops!

thats better

what does the green, red, and yellow buttons do?

[humble rover]

Yep if you see the skin change it's working

Does exactly what the buttons say, start, pause, or finish the current work units

[toxic wing]

ok i see

well thanks for your help

[keen field]

Oh I thought I saw people about to start typing

DISAPPOINTED (jk)

Hi guys!

I decided to most likely go with an RTX 3060 instead of a 3060 Ti.

[fickle needle]

All this people around me scoring 3000 series cards, I'm so jelly

[tough moth]

@charred python

[keen field]

I know, I really want an RTX 3060.

Also @humble rover it's been a few days since I tried everything you said and my CPU still can't breach 6k PPD

It's stuck at 5817 right now

[humble rover]

CPU PPD will vary greatly with project difficulty and should not be taken as a guarantee for all possible units

[keen field]

I've had it running continually for DAYS

and it's never gone above that

[humble rover]

Only thing I can say is check if you're off beta units and otherwise general cpu stability stuff, theres not much that can be done from client side

[keen field]

beta units?

And the CPU is hogging 77% so I'd assume it should be just a tad bit better than what I'm getting now

[humble rover]

If you've not changed the advanced flags it should be off by default

[keen field]

shit.

I'm so dumb.

I am so dumb.

@humble rover What exactly does it mean when it says "passkey must be a 32-character hexadecimal string"

[humble rover]

Only the passkey issued by FAH will be a valid one

[keen field]

Alright sorry, thanks

That's more like it

41k ppd for the CPU

264,393 for the GPU

So I guess it was BOINC where I made a passkey?

I really don't know 😬 I remember making one somewhere, though

[humble rover]

https://test.foldingathome.org/support/faq/points/passkey/

[keen field]

297,439 PPD now

299,412

Let's see if it hits 300k

301,663 there we go

Alright thanks for your help 😄

[hushed bobcat]

Nice, I figured you weren't getting the QRB

[humble rover]

Hold up, wait a minute

/s

[hushed bobcat]

That looks like an error....

[humble rover]

Also just noticed LAR implemented a recent moving average for PPD calculations, which is nice since the super outlier cancer WUs would be gradually obsoleted

It is but its still a funny data point

[fickle needle]

lol

[keen field]

Shiiiit

Lemme grab some Celerons... jk

[rich depot]

i wish i had waited on my 3070 it only has 8gb vram lmao

[solemn mulch]

celeron goes BRRRRR....

btw

is it prefer folding with Game ready driver or studio driver?

[forest sapphire]

Well just gave the rig a boost of 32gigs of more ram

[keen field]

Nice

[keen field]

Is FAH Android worth doing?

[compact widget]

the peeps who made FAH must be really good at origami

[rich depot]

no you need at least 1tb of ram to run any basic applications

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iwgyzX-76g

if google is a basic application, that is

[proper fractal]

Can we like not meme in this chat thanks

[forest sapphire]

HAHA so true! I finally hit a point with my VM's that I needed to add more

[fickle needle]

This is what steams my when someone defends browsers/browser based apps being so RAM hungry by saying RAM is cheap, RAM becomes much less cheap when you run a dozen VMs

[hushed bobcat]

I have a hard time running 4 VM's

Though mostly it's CPU cores

[fierce bear]

is there a android version of FAH and how effective is it?

[old sky]

Hey all, new here. Looking at the foldingathome.org, the sprint is 100% complete. With the vaccines already out for covid, is there still a point to doing this for COVID? Will there be another sprint that starts? Looks like the last one started on Nov7th, seems like a while ago.

[humble rover]

@old sky There will always be more work as research never stands still, whether another sprint will be enabled us up to postera but other groups will keep running work through FAH

You can expect a new cycle of work to be fed through every few weeks (unless otherwise stated)

[old sky]

for sure, thanks for the answer

[fierce bear]

nvm found BOINC for android but how effective is it?

[keen field]

464,784 PPD

I am so glad I set up a passkey and QRB

lol

[proper fractal]

I was folding months before the covid call to fold. Folding will live on for a very long time. Pretty much any scientist can put with they need done on the network (of course after some time; it isn't a free for all)

[hushed bobcat]

@fierce bear I assume by "Android" you mean a phone or tablet of some sort. Personally I would NEVER recommend a sustained high load on those kinds of devices, they just aren't made to dissipate that kind of heat load.
Also that kind of work tends to destroy batteries.

[keen field]

507,518 PPD

[small current]

what even happened, it jumped to 99.99% and i got a stupid amount of points per day

14 million points per day on a 2ghz dual core

[humble rover]

Probably a bad checkpoint

[fickle needle]

so wait, you're taht celeron that's topping the PPD chart XD

[rapid lodge]

why celerons and not 4ghz semprons

I have a Celeron 450, I think it is. Pulled the board/CPU out of an eMachines yesterday, replacing it with my i5-6500 setup (yes, in an emachines case)

funny thing about that system - board only has 1 USB 2.0 header, the case needs 2

[fickle needle]

the joke was the LAR stats had a celeron showing some dumb number like 2million+ PPD

[flint frigate]

how do I change which GPU folding@home is using?

It's using my GTX 1060 but I want it to use my RTX 3090, or at least be able to switch between the two. Anyone know how?

[fickle needle]

You have to edit your GPU slot and tell it to use a different index

[flint frigate]

I tried that but it always seems to revert back :/

is the 3090 just not supported yet or something?

[flint frigate]

wait I got it to work :)

[vapid latch]

what does boinc and folding mean

[fierce bear]

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/902973-folding-community-board/

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1122140-boinc-community-board/

[humble rover]

https://foldingathome.org/about/

The Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC) is an open source middleware system for volunteer- and grid computing. Originally it was developed to be the SETI@home project re-done, re-thought into a generic framework that could have many uses, before it became useful as a platform for other distributed applications in areas as diverse as mathematics, medicine, molecular biology, climatology, and astrophysics. The intent of BOINC is to make it possible for researchers to tap into the enormous processing power of personal computers around the world.

[fickle needle]

you guys are troopers, i'd lose my mind about the 8th time someone came in and asked the same question XD

[humble rover]

Have it on a macro lol

[proper fractal]

lol. I think it should be in the topic thingy

[humble rover]

It is but nobody clicks the link ever

[proper fractal]

it's an outdated link. it goes to the folding sprint event for covid

[humble rover]

Still has some basic info tho

[proper fractal]

personally, I think there should be a link to the forum threads for boinc and folding (either the boards or info)

[humble rover]

Better to have a pinned thread on that subforum as a landing page, that then links off to each comm. board

Just needs to be a single longform post

Include qucik start guides and the LAR db, ez

[proper fractal]

mhm. I should pm tv or spec about doing that later

good idea

[fickle needle]

but I guess everyone has to get their start somewhere, we could just link to the LTT video about folding

the person we explain the concept to today could be the one folding with six cards a year from now XD

[hushed bobcat]

Or turn a rack in the data center they work at into a folding farm for a month

[fickle needle]

Man, anybody that works a job like that, HMU and I'll send you my resume, sounds like a dope job

[keen field]

What exactly is "TPF"?

[humble rover]

@keen field Time per fold, or how long it takes to crunch each frame of the simulation

[keen field]

Ohhh okay

I have about 1 minute and 40 seconds, is that good?

1 minute and 42 seconds

[humble rover]

It depends on the project

[keen field]

I thought that was it but I didn't want to recall anything incorrectly without verifying it, so I rounded.

I'm on one for cancer, specifically, project 17408

COVID-19*

not cancer.

I'm getting about 200k PPD higher on COVID-19 tasks than Cancer tasks, although that might just be a coincidence.

I'm getting about 500,000-550,000 PPD instead of mid 300ks

I've also been able to run games just fine while running FAH on "Full"

So I don't know if these simulations are actually lighter on the CPU and GPU or what...

Just me rambling, don't mind me 😛

[hushed bobcat]

Due to the urgent nature of finding a cure for COVID Folding at home gives some WU a bonus in PPD

as far as I understand

[fickle needle]

Though its important to realize that nowhere is is stated that tasks are going to give equal points covid19 or not

[humble rover]

Meanwhile some researchers still push out absolute tanks of WUs lol but the more the merrier

Doesnt look like they've messed with the kfactor ever so it must be inherently higher base credit then

FAH have definitely increased payout as an incentive for the community so I wouldnt put it past them

[flint frigate]

What exactly does the points per day indicate? Is it dependent on project?

[proper fractal]

it's hardware and project dependent

[flint frigate]

ah okay, thanks :)

[keen field]

RTX 3090 or a Quadro card?

Threadripper?

[humble rover]

Dont really need a TR if you can get by with high end zen

[keen field]

No way he gets those numbers if you have a pleb card

true

I get 500k PPD on an i5-9600k and a GTX 960 with 2GB of VRAM so...

Discord spellcheck went insane on that sentence.

😬

[humble rover]

Of course it is most likely a combination of several cards so you can never say for certain without seeing their slots

[keen field]

True

🙂

Alright I'm gonna head out again cya

[flint frigate]

Sorry for the super late replay but yes, I'm running a Ryzen 7 3700X, RTX 3090 and RTX 2080 Super

[keen field]

Ohhh okay

that does make a bit more sense xd

I have an i5-9600k with a GTX 960 and I get about 500-550k PPD.

[flint frigate]

Nice 👌

[keen field]

ty

I am planning to upgrade to an RTX 3060 at some point.

I want to start playing more intensive games and do more multitasking so it'll be a sweet and cost-efficient upgrade, perhaps even better cooling 😄

xd

[flint frigate]

Lol yeah it should definitely be worth it, and a big upgrade from that 960

[humble rover]

Well would ya look at that

[supple cypress]

this is about the Covid Moonshot project @humble rover?

[humble rover]

@supple cypress Yeah

[supple cypress]

Worst PPD out there (for my setup at least)

[wild skiff]

need some help with laptops, is this the right chat?

[proper fractal]

You missed #tech-support by one channel

[wild skiff]

I saw folding and thought this was the chat lol cuz laptops... fold

[proper fractal]

:|

[humble rover]

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/01/28/ontario-off-peak-electricity-rates-covid19/

welp guess I'll keep the cards going a few days longer

[keen field]

Lol nice

I don't live in Canada. I would like to some day, but not now.

[keen field]

Hah

I thought it meant folding phones for a very, Very long time.

A ridiculously long time really xd

[wary spindle]

i was just kinda wondering what a good score is for having been folding for a couple weeks on a low spec laptop

[leaden radish]

what is this server about

[humble rover]

@leaden radish

https://foldingathome.org/about/#:~:text=Folding%40home (FAH%20or%20F,in%20a%20variety%20of%20diseases.

@wary spindle Laptops arent ideal for folding to begin with

[golden siren]

and boinc?

[leaden radish]

intersting

my laptop will be of no use

it cant even run karlson at 30 fps

[humble rover]

The Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC) is an open source middleware system for volunteer- and grid computing. Originally it was developed to be the SETI@home project re-done, re-thought into a generic framework that could have many uses, before it became useful as a platform for other distributed applications in areas as diverse as mathematics, medicine, molecular biology, climatology, and astrophysics. The intent of BOINC is to make it possible for researchers to tap into the enormous processing power of personal computers around the world.

[wary spindle]

Yeah but why not, it was doing nothing else lol

[tame canopy]

Laptop cooling isn't designed to take that kind of workload

[humble rover]

Unless you're leveraging a high end mobile gpu, you won't see great returns. You could chance it on the cpu if you can handle the thermal load, but if you're chasing points FAH might not be for you. BOINC may be a good alternative for low power cpus whilst still contributing

[golden siren]

is 2Ghz 2 core i3 worth Boinc?

I can say that with other benchmarks it can sustain that very cool temperatures for a laptop

[humble rover]

You can contribute as many cores as you want, but you'll have to check if it can finish before the deadline

[golden siren]

lol that's another kind of a challenge

do you know if boinc has like "only when idle" settings so it works only when my pc is idle?

[humble rover]

You can schedule what time boinc is active, how many cores what % of each core is utilized, etc

I believe it has idle but I havent used it

[golden siren]

that's more advance than I thought, maybe I can contribute with boinc if it is good for low end laptops

thank you for asnwering

[humble rover]

LTT has teams to join if you do look into it

[keen field]

I'm going to refrain from joining a team for the time being, just because.

I'll probably join if I hear about some upcoming event.

[fickle needle]

just note, your points don't count for any forum badges if you're folding anonymously or for another team

so if you fold now, and then join LTT, you start from zero

[proper fractal]

^

also, the badge point requirements were changed earlier this year. They're quite a bit higher. (25m points for the member badge, versus 21 work units before)

[keen field]

So...

This mayb sound dumb, but I am planning to upgrade my GPU and I want to put my old GPU to use instead of letting it go to waste. So I guess that part isn't what sounds dumb...

may*

But the part that might sound dumb is... do you think it'd be worth it to buy up either refurbished or newer mid-range parts to build a PC dedicated to folding?

For instance, a 10400f system, with this GTX 960? (Yes, the GPU I am upgrading from is a GTX 960).

I don't know. It sounds so stupid but I want to put my GPU to good use, or just refurbish it a bit and sell it, perhaps.

[fickle needle]

tbh, you're always going to get a better return by just selling it, or finding a buddy who wants to get into gaming

if you did want to get that GPU folding, you'd be better off doing your research and getting like, a couple generation Dell Optiplex or Precision and putting your 960 there

what I did that worked well was find something else for the computer to do as well as fold

like, play media to a TV, or host a programming environment, or run a server

the folding client is pretty good about prioritizing CPU folding, so you can run other programs at the same time, the only thing that gets tricky is the GPU, so gaming while folding is tricky

[keen field]

Oh, I've actually considered doing that before (the idea of using an Optiplex)

But thanks! Sorry if it does sound stupid, I'm still trying to learn the ins and outs.

[fickle needle]

yeah, no prob, you just have to look into your heart and decide what matters to you

[keen field]

😄

Not that you'd automatically know off the top of your head, but how much do you think the 960 would be worth, hypothetically?

[fickle needle]

looks like around 99$ for like a single blower fan low end card, up to 150$ if it has a nice dual fan cooler

[keen field]

Wait so

If I did want to have a couple of independent, dedicated folding systems, when what are some tips you'd have for that?

For instance, parts, pricing, etc.

[keen field]

Also, my GTX 960 has a 3-fan design, it's a long beefy boi.

Gigabyte G1 Gaming

[fickle needle]

welp, folding isn't CPU, network, or disk intensive, so you can get away with like old HDDs, whatever networking comes on board, and like 4GB of RAM

[keen field]

Oh okay.

So if I bought up a couple of old refurbished Optiplex systems, they could work if I perhaps swapped some parts?

Especially since they have SSD options and variations of RAM capacities.

SSD and HDD options.

[fickle needle]

yep

[keen field]

So it would work?

Perhaps?

[fickle needle]

the only concern with the Optiplex is finding one that has the right power connectors for your GPU

[keen field]

Ohh true, that makes sense.

okay, thanks!

I'll actually link an example of the ones I'm looking at here...

https://discountelectronics.com/dell-optiplex-9020-sff-i3-windows-10-computer/?_ga=2.260997263.344869511.1611985910-1292747085.1609722200&_gac=1.224836200.1609723299.Cj0KCQiA88X_BRDUARIsACVMYD8kK2odCdggUIeQnsOvW9tssNUX1o0nz6iNDYBkErxdfoYszyehVS8aAm6XEALw_wcB

So... something like that could work?

[fickle needle]

only thing about a SFF is they usually don't fit tall cards

[keen field]

Oh okay

also sorry if my questions seem repetitive or consistent, I'm trying to make the absolute best decision.

[fickle needle]

no problem, i've been right where you are, expect i've found most of my computers at like garage sales

[keen field]

Yeah, and ofc I might go looking for that kind of stuff too

The case I am using was for free from a guy my dad knew, and the graphics card was from a person who was kind enough to give it to me 😄

[fickle needle]

is this your first build starting from a bare case? or was your main machine that way too

[keen field]

wdym?

The PC I'm on right now, the one where I got my first (Free) case, was my first build.

[brazen ledge]

What is this channel for

[fickle needle]

ooooooh

[keen field]

If that's what you mean.

[keen field]

Folding@Home and BOINC operations./

operations.*

[brazen ledge]

Oh ok thanks

[keen field]

https://foldingathome.org/

yw 😄

[keen field]

Yeah, so basically, I use my PC for folding, but I have to turn it down when I am gaming. I am going to be upgrading my GPU, so that might help a bit in both worlds. But I still kind of want to add on some dedicated-to-folding systems.

If that makes sense..?

[fickle needle]

yep

[hushed bobcat]

@keen field I'll show you what I did when i had a few GPU's to fold

Thats an old Supermicro server board i bought off eBay

the main advantage is because it has 2 CPU's you have a ton of PCIE lanes to run graphics cards

If I used PCIE extensions I could probably run 5 or 6 graphics cards without bottle-necking (folding actually requires PCIE bandwidth unlike mining)

I think i paid around $180 for the mainboard (and that came with the 2 CPU's) and another $30 for RAM

[humble rover]

Im too lazy to sell my old hardware because the value of the system wasnt worth the effort, so I ended up with 2 extra am3+ systems that can fit 2 gpus each and that's how I got started

[keen field]

Oh wow

[keen field]

So basically...

It's up to me whether I want to sell my old hardware or use it for folding?

Well I guess it would be anyway, but...

[humble rover]

Pretty much, it's either use what you have or look at what you can get the most value out of

[keen field]

What do you guys think about this?

https://discountelectronics.com/dell-computer-optiplex-790-sff-quad-core-i5/

Or maybe this one?

https://discountelectronics.com/cheap-dell-optiplex-790-desktop-i3-windows-10-computer/

[humble rover]

The SFF cases only fit half height cards iirc

@keen field I'd at the very least spring for a 9020 or an alternate MFF case if you're going the dell refurb route, make sure to check it has an adequate psu

You're looking at 4th/5th gen cpus at that point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56MgVgnRBSs

It's very scrapyard wars-y

[keen field]

Oh okay

Thanks 😄

[humble rover]

Or something like this idk if you want to build an entire budget pc tho

https://discountelectronics.com/dell-optiplex-3020-tower-core-i5-windows-10-computer/

[keen field]

Yeah I don't know if I could do that

I mean building one

Thanks for the recommendations, though. :d

😄 *

[keen field]

Also, would you recommend bumping it up to 8GB of RAM and maybe a 120 or 240 gig SSD?

[humble rover]

Prioritize ram over local storage, but have enough to make sense

[keen field]

Okay

[hushed bobcat]

A pure folding PC runs just fine on an HDD

After all you just turn it on and leave it alone for weeks or months

[keen field]

True

[somber temple]

Just rejoined the team using the i9/quadro server.

[keen field]

Nice!

[somber temple]

Yup, using an i9 10850ka(avengers edition cooled by a freezer II 420mm aio) and a p4000

[stark bough]

you could get a cheap SSD, if only for the sound.

or power.

[fickle needle]

if you have an old HDD lying around i'd go for it, the fact that F@H only writes a couple megs of data every day or so fits the profile, and you're already going to have case fans/ GPU fans going is a HDD going to be that noticeable?

but if you're buying something new, SSD all the way, I couldn't see buying an HDD in 2021 that isn't for media/steam game storage

[rich turtle]

Me: Let's see how the 6900XT does over the 3090 for folding.
6900XT:

[proper fractal]

That's amd for you

[fickle needle]

@proper fractal reee, nvidia shill

[proper fractal]

:|

I have an amd card

[fickle needle]

i'm teasing

it's kinda crazy that my last folding push only really started in September, feels a lot longer than that

[somber temple]

Well. I stopped around 6 million and today after starting again I'm at 11 million

[humble rover]

My vega is stonkin

[chilly cosmos]

is this chat used for mining info aswell?

[humble rover]

Could be but forum might be faster

[chilly cosmos]

ah true thanks

[fickle needle]

@chilly cosmos there's also a whole #crypto-currency channel, probably a better bet, unless you're one of those weirdos that does curecoin

[humble rover]

Oh lol I never scroll that far down

[keen field]

hah

[fickle needle]

LTT disc is a mess, why #crypto-currency isn't under the heading ----TEXT---- always confuses me?

like, is there no Text allowed? you can only communicate with stonks emojis or something

[keen field]

Because it's not as directly related to tech or LTT.

[fickle needle]

what planet are you on where Crypto-currencies aren't tech related? you think they got hamsters with crayons drawing out bitcoins

[keen field]

I never said that

I said it's not as directly related to tech or LTT, tech being hardware, networking, Virtual reality, etc.

[chilly cosmos]

@fickle needle thanks I didn’t see that! And nope just ETH 🙂

[somber temple]

almost at my next forum badge

[slate prawn]

@somber temple dis me

i just fold to heat my room with an EVGA 960 and a i7-920

i think my ppd is like 120k

id have to check

[tame canopy]

Wife said make the house warmer, guess what time it is 😄

[somber temple]

My wolamute hates how hot my bedroom gets with the 3900x/3090 being folded on XD I keep fresh cold water for him and a fan going on high. to help him out.

broke 25 million 😄

[somber temple]

I just did

[slate prawn]

in one day?

dam

[somber temple]

Few days, but I stopped folding on the 3090 rig cuz my wolf hybrid was hating heat.

"Feel the heat of my 3090, takin' you higher, burn with me, Sirius is on fire!" Kiss intensifies @slate prawn

[slate prawn]

@somber temple You see, i'm a zoomer, so I don't know that song

[somber temple]

Heaven's on Fire by Kiss.

[slate prawn]

ik i searched the lyrics

[somber temple]

It's so cheesy yet so catchy due to the rhythm section.

[slate prawn]

ye'

i like alt

so does my dad

Gun's and Roses is good

[somber temple]

I kinda wanna punch Gene for going "ha ha ha" in the most awkward way possible. They're okay, but honestly if you wanted talented glam I'll dm you a guy he's one of the kings of that style, and nobody remembers him at the rate of David Coverdale. But, his solo band is much better than White Snake.

[cosmic parcel]

Hey, is anyone using https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/ for their folding stats?

Looks like something is wrong, but I dont know if thats a problem on extremeoverclocking or F@H in general

[humble rover]

@cosmic parcel EOC is having some issues but stats on the FAH end should be accurate.

https://stats.foldingathome.org/donor/

[cosmic parcel]

Ah yea, that looks more up to date

And EOC seems to be back now too

[rancid frost]

PC be crashing every time I so much as start folding.

Not sure what it is at this point, gonna diagnose all of my everything.

[cosmic parcel]

Crashing as in bluescreen/hang? Or as in hard reset/shutdown?

Latter might be caused by the PSU/OCP/OPP

[serene heath]

So my GPU is stuck on ready, even when the CPU is paused. Anyone that could help me fix that?

[humble rover]

@serene heath Try restarting FAH to see if the client unstucks

[serene heath]

Nothing changed

[humble rover]

What does the log say?

Pause/unpause the slot?

[serene heath]

Okay it worked by pausing and unpausing

3 times is the charm it seems

[serene heath]

Cheers

[lofty estuary]

has anyone noticed its been taking longer to complete WU's?

[humble rover]

@lofty estuary The servers will occasionally issue longer duration projects from time to time

[lofty estuary]

ohhhh cool

I was wondering what was up with that because normally it takes less than 2 hours to complete a WU and now i just got one that says it will take 17 hours

[humble rover]

My record point units were all 4+ hour projects, where the card normally does <2h

[lofty estuary]

wow

good to know im not going crazy i guess

[lofty estuary]

Has anyone tried dream lab?

[rancid frost]

@cosmic parcel Bluescreens and restarts.

Doesn't stick around long enough for me to see what the code is.

[fickle needle]

@lofty estuary dream lab. isn't that some weird sleep training thing?

[lofty estuary]

Nah its like F@H except it runs on your phone while you charge it over night

Its on the app store and google play store right now they have a project running that will help in the fight against CoVid

[humble rover]

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewNewsArticle.do?articleId=680

Lab testing has begun for some of the promising compounds identified with the help of World Community Grid volunteers.

Estimated backlog: 58 days

[keen field]

Good to hear.

I can't wait for this shitty COVID-19 situation to just be over. The problem is, it probably will never be fully gone. But at least better than it is now, some day...

[tribal plinth]

It will eventually be gone if nothing it can’t infect anything.

Or we’ll just have to live in it like the flu.

[keen field]

Yup.

[fickle needle]

that's the scary bit, is we messed up our one chance to make covid disappear, its likely to be endemic at this point

[rich depot]

How do i start folding?

[humble rover]

@rich depot

https://linustechtips.com/topic/876-foldinghome-install-guide-and-links-linustechtips_team-223518/

[rich depot]

thanks

[humble rover]

@crimson linden You missed #tech-support

[rich depot]

Epic pc

[proper fractal]

?

[digital kindle]

can it run cyberpunk?

[rich depot]

You should cover that serial number

[normal cairn]

What can u do with it

Am curious

[rich depot]

Well, Hackintoshers could use it for one
Some can report that serial number as lost and well do a number of things after that

[rich depot]

probably

[topaz ridge]

who is dick enough here to do that?

[rich depot]

I don't know but better safe than sorry

[polar slate]

the server has 84k members, i guarantee you at least 1% of people here are asshole enough to do i

[celest hound]

Is there a software for folding on Android?

[keen field]

Yes, I believe so.

[high willow]

this is a public discord

[celest hound]

Is there a software for folding on Android?

[high willow]

probably but idk

[celest hound]

I found the Android client for folding

[onyx quail]

lmfao

[humble rover]

o7 leadeater

[proper fractal]

Leadeater is great. He's in the top 10 I think, but chooses not to have any folding badges on the forum. I think he has one or two extra rigs. Real folder dude

[hushed bobcat]

I'm holding around 125 in the rankings

[pseudo abyss]

He is great on the forum too

[fickle needle]

can anyone explain how the conquests/threats works?

my results look like this

does the negative gain mean the people in red are earning points faster than I am?

no, it makes sense, the people in red are people that have less total, but potentially generate a lot more

the green are ones with more points taht haven't made progress in months

[humble rover]

^

Potential to overtake/to be overtaken

[pseudo abyss]

Yes, as as you can see, the estimated times to go past the green are much shorter for all the green than even the top red one, and that means that you are still climbing in rank fast.

[hollow ember]

woke up today to the basement being a little cold, guess i'll fold to warm the place up a bit lol

[humble rover]

https://www.techpowerup.com/278551/internet-cafes-are-turning-to-cryptocurrency-mining-as-profits-are-higher

KEKW

https://www.techpowerup.com/img/isVfRy7vnEPOfMMB.jpg

[rich depot]

lmao

[dusty dragon]

thats where all the gpus went

and where all the citys power has been going

and where all the bitcoin and dogecoin and etherium has been comming from

[rich depot]

lol

[hearty grotto]

i mean if i owned an internet cafe which wasn't making money I would crypto mine too

anything helps during this pandemic

[rich turtle]

[rich depot]

@proper fractal

https://linustechtips.com/topic/902973-folding-community-board/?do=findComment&comment=14500029

Wait, no embed...

Heres the message --- "Sorry I've not been around guys.

Y'know how it goes, life happens!

How are you all getting on? Still folding? I hope so.

I fold on my hardware when I can but streaming is really putting a dent in my output some days when I forget to unpause. RIP me!

We have left over prizes from folding month, so... I've been thinking about trying a mid-week sprint in the coming month, a five day event, mon-fri. Sound like something you guys would be interested in?"

[proper fractal]

I'd be interested in it

I'm kinda in the same position as you with folding, or was at least. I'd go to game so I'd pause folding, then I forget to turn it back on so I just gave up lol

And thanks for the at. I don't really check the board as much as I should 😬

[humble rover]

Mine's still on the scheduling from the event baha never bothered to change it other than swapping hardware

[fickle needle]

NGL, looking forward to those new CMP cards from Nvidia to hit the used market for cheap, gonna be dope for folding

[hushed bobcat]

I'm wondering if the 3060 "hash rate lock" will affect folding performance

it shouldn't

but i'm worried it might

[frozen oxide]

someone will publish the answer soon enough

[humble rover]

Questionable chinese driver hack to the moooon

[wind arrow]

If the CMP cards have higher hashrate than the locked down geforce cards, they are gonna cost more

[fickle needle]

it'd be good if RTX 3060s fold slower 😛 it'll help get those cards in the hands of gamers

[vivid fiber]

apparently (according to half an article i read on toms hardware) early samples of the 3060 show that it only limits hash rates in etherium (it may not have been a final bios but idk)

mining other altcoins you can still make 7 dollars or so per day on a 3060

id like to stress that i know very little to nothing about folding/mining so i am just stating exactly what i read and i dont really know the implications of the hash limiter

[hushed bobcat]

I'd be willing to crank up to full production, I just got 2x Xeon E5-2667 V2's for my folding rig. I think they need a week long "Test" 🙂

[vivid fiber]

What type of pc do I need for folding? I'm retiring my old build sometime in the next year and I might just be able to turn it in to a folding machine but it's not exactly high end per say

[humble rover]

@vivid fiber Anything within the last 10 years is ideal for FAH but newer would be better for efficiency; CPUs of any age can contribute to BOINC

[proper fractal]

There are some projects that use the gpu for boinc. I think world community grid is one of them

[humble rover]

WCG hasn't officially rolled theirs out yet, still finalizing

[toxic crater]

Really stupid question trying to add new slot(just added a gpu) the slot is showing as disabled

[hushed bobcat]

ahh i had that happen the other day

[toxic crater]

It’s OpenGL issue

[hushed bobcat]

i was updating the graphics drivers so i just removed all GPU slots and rebooted, when the computer came back up all the GPU slots were back and working

[toxic crater]

Windows or Linux?

[hushed bobcat]

windows

[toxic crater]

On Linux sorry

[hushed bobcat]

did the slots work before? or is this new?

[toxic crater]

Got as far as working out that I need it to work on open cl 1.2+. It can do Opencl 2.1 but won’t 😞. This is new addition

[hushed bobcat]

all i remember is getting folding to work on linux is a chore

[toxic crater]

Haha

From what I have read with nividia it’s easier sigh

[hushed bobcat]

ohh you are using AMD cards?

[toxic crater]

Just one on Linux at the moment (this non working one)

Wanted to run headless so seemed the way to go

[hushed bobcat]

i will say once you get it working its great

last march i got one set up to test a computer that had been randomly shutting down with windows

wanted to use linux to see if it was software or hardware

ran flawlessly for 6 months

but it took like 2 days to get going

[toxic crater]

Yeah only been as it a few hours but the machine folds 200k ppd on the cpus so don’t want it off much

Oh well job for tomorrow

[hushed bobcat]

that's some serious CPU ppd

[toxic crater]

Prosumer board evga srx

Two x 10 core for 40 “cores/threads”

Hence the drive for Linux

[hushed bobcat]

linux is better at distributing real work

tend to get better PPD

[toxic crater]

Well it’s not trying to update every 20 seconds so a given 😞

[hushed bobcat]

i just defer windows updates for 30 days

[toxic crater]

Just hope to get this working so I can expand it up to 7 gpu max

[hushed bobcat]

then update, and defer again

how are you planning on getting all 7 hooked up?

i have a dual socket server board with 3 gpus on it

[toxic crater]

If I can get them cheep enough yeah. Have the sr2 that can do the same

[hushed bobcat]

the only way i can think of is PCI extenders

[toxic crater]

Waterblocks

[hushed bobcat]

ahh so single slot

[toxic crater]

If this works custom server case so they both go in the rack

Rads with thick pipes at the top of the rack with drip dray then t off for each server

All io power at the front filtered fans for ram psu cooling

Mobo gpu s and cpus waterblocked with disconnects on the “front”

[placid goblet]

almost to 10 million F@H points!

[toxic crater]

🎉

[prisma valley]

👉 😎 👉

[hushed bobcat]

all the threads

[prisma valley]

the value is crazy
120 threads set me back..... less than threadripper

[hushed bobcat]

I thought it was dual EPYC....

[prisma valley]

nah its 4 https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/79209/intel-xeon-processor-e7-8895-v2-37-5m-cache-2-80-ghz.html

[hushed bobcat]

thats alot of power

i just upgraded my dual socket server from E5-2660 V0's to E5-2667 V2's

[tame canopy]

CB Scores? 😄

[hushed bobcat]

it may have cost less than a threadripper, but im pretty sure the power consumption will offset that in about... 5 minutes

thats 620 Watts worth of TDP....

[proper fractal]

https://linustechtips.com/status/289754/
folding event coming up

[prisma valley]

12729

[tame canopy]

R20?

[prisma valley]

think so

[tame canopy]

Not bad

[prisma valley]

i have linux on it rn, ran CB a while ago

[tame canopy]

I get like 14500 on my 3960x

[prisma valley]

ive also changed the cooling up since i did CB so it might be a little different now

pretty proud to say its not deafeningly loud

[tame canopy]

Nice, I have a 420mm rad on just the Cpu so it's pretty quiet

[prisma valley]

damn

i have one of these https://noctua.at/en/nh-d9dx-i4-3u on each

the socket placement is pretty close so the fins actually overlap a bit unfortunately

[tame canopy]

sharing cooling lol

[prisma valley]

yeah the airflow is really scuffed

[prisma valley]

heres a pic of the inside

air comes in from the front and actually splits, not the greatest

so the 2 on the edge run like 5c hotter

[tame canopy]

Mine is cpu and gpu tho

[keen field]

Where did you get this from?

[tame canopy]

A wall plug with a power meter

[keen field]

Wow

I didn't know power meters had a GUI

[tame canopy]

Some do

[green meadow]

Samsung posted on Twitter from a fridge

[hushed bobcat]

interesting

you couldn't face them with the airflow?

[runic girder]

what cpus are on that board? woah

[hushed bobcat]

@runic girder https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/79209/intel-xeon-processor-e7-8895-v2-37-5m-cache-2-80-ghz.html

4 of them

[prisma valley]

yep, they're really interesting chips

they were apparently custom for oracle so theres no price listed

and theyre 200mhz faster than the normal 15 core chip

(also 15 core lol)

the memory is also really strange

the board can fit up to 8 of these cards with 12 dimms each

96 dimms total with each chip having quad channel, so 6 dimms per channel

[hushed bobcat]

whats your max ram capacity?

its gotta be 2 or 4 TB

[prisma valley]

6 i think

1.5 per socket

i have it loaded with 384 gb rn

[hushed bobcat]

More than most systems have in permanent storage

[prisma valley]

more than my system has in permanent storage lmao

384gb ram and just a 250gb ssd

[hushed bobcat]

i have about 2 TB of permanent storage

but i have a 13TB NAS soo...

[prisma valley]

that quad socket server actually has 24 hotswap bays in the front

i could make a pretty sick NAS but harddrives are expensive

[hushed bobcat]

yea

i find that 4TB used SAS drives off ebay give you the best $ per TB

[stark bough]

Damn power bills mang. Looks like I'm going to just do the bare minimum next folding month.

Are we still doing things just by units completed and days completed, and not points?

[ocean zinc]

Got to troubleshoot and repair a home folding server today
that was pretty cool

The guy running it just recently spent 20,000 USD on solar to run it 24/7, he might use that solar for mining down the line but for now he doing some mad folding

[humble rover]

https://www.techpowerup.com/279010/nvidia-earned-usd-5-billion-during-a-gpu-shortage-quarter-and-expects-to-do-it-again-in-the-next-one

[vast flower]

Lmaoo

[fickle needle]

This is why i'm happy to roast Nvidia/retailers, they're making money out the ass, they can spend 0.00001% of it to stamp out scalpers

or to fix their buggy worthless interface (i'm looking at you Newegg, you're the only retailer Nvidia is dealing with apparently god knows why suck it up)

[prisma valley]

has anybody had the issue is f@h only using 1 core? i reset the slot and it works for like 1WU or so and then it just uses 1 core

[fickle needle]

post a screenshot of your slots page

[hushed bobcat]

personally i would make 4 seperate slots at 40 threads each

basically 1 slot per CPU

this is on Linux correct?

i was going to say if it was Windows it may not like having literall ALL the threads assigned to folding, but linux should be able to manage that alot better

[fickle needle]

can confirm, Linux doesn't care about using all the CPU threadqs

[prisma valley]

yeah its linux mint

if i assign 40 threads each will each slot actually be consolidated to the same physical socket? or is there some flag i have to set for that

[hushed bobcat]

No I think it will just assign 40 threads

If you want that kind of control the only thing I can think of is running a hypervisor and assigning each CPU its own VM

[fickle needle]

I kinda love my niche of folding for a long tome and slowly passing people, it's amazing looking at my passing report and seeing people that earned all their points in a single month

[stark bough]

lol slow and steady. Yeah i dont fold on non folding months, I think I used up my entire energy budget i set for myself in a2 months

Is there a scheduler yet? would like to set things up to abide by TOU

[fickle needle]

TOU?

[humble rover]

Time of use

[fickle needle]

ahhh, is that where there's like 2 energy tiers?

[humble rover]

Its bracketed pricing by time of day basically

No built in scheduler for FAH but you can use windows scheduler to send start/pause/finish to the client based on system time

TELnet commands

[fickle needle]

and you can hook into Systemd on Linux

[stark bough]

Yeah there are workarounds but I’d still love it if there’s support on the base client, considering how many people are now getting pushed into a TOU structure now

[rich depot]

What's BOINC

[eternal bison]

ok

[fierce bear]

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1122140-boinc-community-board/

[rich depot]

Can I post a screenshot here?

of F@h

[humble rover]

As long as its not spam

[rich depot]

okay

FINALLY! I broke the 100,000 point mark on just CPU folding

[humble rover]

Congrats!

[proper fractal]

nice! good job :)

[rich depot]

@rich depot If you're not using it. I'd suggest getting the extension made by a guy on the forum https://folding.lar.systems/

[prisma valley]

does anybody know how I can dump a WU? sometimes i'll get a WU in the queue and it'll only use 1 core and that itll take 10 days to finish

i tried doing FAHClient --dump [queue number] but it gives me this error:

[humble rover]

Something about frequent dumping of a WU will get you blacklisted from the assignment servers or something, it's generally advised to not dump

[prisma valley]

like the WU wont finish in the allowed timeframe so its just a waste of time

like im only allowed 3 days for a WU thatll take 10 to finish atm

[humble rover]

In that case might be worth looking into max-packet-size flag for potentially smaller work units but I have no idea if thats still an active flag

If it runs beyond the absolute deadline then the results just get discarded

[prisma valley]

yeah but i dont want to have my cpu just chilling on a dead WU for 3 days, waste of machine time

ig i can just delete the WU from the work folder

[humble rover]

I dont know if deleting the slot would work

[prisma valley]

i tried, it works sometimes but sometimes itll just pick the same WU back up

[fickle needle]

I mean, if your CPU can't consistently finish WUs you're better off removing the slot entirely

Also like, how? I'm folding on a Phenom II and it finishes tasks faster than that

[hexed creek]

just joined up, am I doing this right?

that being said, is there a way to have more control over cpu usage? on low it's still using 60-70% of my cpu :/

on the FAHclient btw, forgot to specify

[frozen oxide]

open the advanced control app (sometimes labeled FAHControl), modify your slots, set the thread count exactly how you want

so if you want to run 14 threads, then run 14 threads

but keep in mind your GPU folding needs about a core's worth of CPU performance or it might actually get bottlenecked, and I can't tell what GPU you have exactly but almost any modern combo will fill 4x-10x the work on the GPU, so keeping some CPU available is worthwhile

[hexed creek]

Thankyou

ah yep, much better

[rich depot]

Thanks

[rich depot]

Folding event thread has just gone live https://linustechtips.com/topic/1311238-mid-week-madness-folding-sprint/

[split barn]

EVGA just ended their EVGA buck promotion for FAH after 13 years. Although I've just been involved with it for only 3 years, I thought the program was a nice incentive to get people into folding. However, LTT was the first place I've heard of folding in the first place so I'm back into y'all's team from now on....😄

[humble rover]

I dont think it was offered outside of the US anyways but kudos to the team behind it, I remember how massive that team was when I got started many years ago

[rich depot]

They saw we finally overtook them and decided to throw in the towel lmfao /s

[fickle needle]

Man, that woulda been great to know about

[humble rover]

You find out about it real quick if you spend any time trawling the forums

[fickle needle]

Insert y'all were getting paid meme

[split barn]

I have $30 in EVGA bucks still....time to go get a CLC 360 and mod the shit out of my FTW3 2070S

[keen field]

I've fallen behind on folding and especially BOINC recently.

And I'm still running a GTX 960 because the market is dogwater :/

[shy iris]

@keen field lucky. I have a GTX 465. Was the best GPU I could locate without getting screwed on the price

[forest musk]

I am quite new to tech, and all i see are bunch of numbers and letters in random order :D

[proper fractal]

?

[keen field]

Oof. Don't worry, you'll get used to it. Right now, we're talking about graphics cards for protein folding.

[hushed bobcat]

Don't worry, half the time the manufacturer's don't remember either

[forest musk]

Thanks :)

[silent juniper]

cough intel cough

[stark bough]

has the price for p106 shot up due to the current mining craze? I kinda regret not getting one right now.

[humble rover]

Looks like the -090 doubled but its been a while since I checked too

[coarse light]

oh they sell for like $50 on ebay or smth

its shit

and old

so no miners wanna use it

[stark bough]

Kek. Fine for folding and house warming then

[unborn pier]

hmm, the p106 would be an interesting addition for my folding at home workstation and potential rendering

[fickle needle]

just realize you're not likely to flip a p106 XD

[fickle needle]

lol, i'm seeing /one/ card bidding for 50$ most are closer to 100

[coarse light]

ye i havent checked in a bit

could see a fair bit of ppl getting into bitcoin wanting to buy them now

[coarse light]

ye it could render

one of my friends have 4 of them in a rendering server

[unborn pier]

eh, dont really like to flip hardware

i like to use it till it dies

in fact i have a crap ton of old 8400 gs's lying around

[fickle needle]

the graphics card market is so tight someone just outbid me for a fake 1060

[coarse light]

oooof

ye lmao

[stark bough]

How’s p106 as a plex transcoded?

[hushed bobcat]

I think it has the same limit as GTX cards, so 3.
if you unlock the drivers according to this website https://www.elpamsoft.com/?p=Plex-Hardware-Transcoding it should have a theoretical max of 10 1080p to 720p streams (comparing to the GTX 1050 Ti and 1060 3GB

i should note however in my own case i found my Zotac p106-90's have a horrible PCIE Bus, PCIE 2.0 4X

so its possible that would be a bottleneck

4k to 1080p transcoding would be 2 or 3 max

[stark bough]

Me when 3080 came out:
“Wow that’s almost a thousand dollars. I’ll wait for a $50 off sale or something”

Price shoots above $1000

[humble rover]

The trick is to live in canada where it starts above 1k KEKW

[fickle needle]

I don't wanna hear it, at least you syrup guzzlers have 4th gen Ryzen in stock

lol, i'll be damned, 5800X are in stock

[frozen oxide]

I mean, maybe you didn't have a soul to sell to the devil then, because that was one of the steps for me

[hexed creek]

the REAL trick is to live in australia 😢

MSRP for a 3080 is $1150, but realistically you're gonna be spending $1700-1800

[fresh hamlet]

I got my strix 3080 for usd $930 total with one day egg shipping October. Still hunting for 3090 for that flight sim vram. At that put I will give my 3080 to my friend as a surprise. Wouldn’t mind trying to get the 90 as a strix. Card has some solid cooling. But worried about back vram heat tho

Does the nvidia anti mining thing on the 3060 and possibly on 3080ti) harm folding performance ?

[rich depot]

I don't think so, iirc it only affects Ethereum mining none of the other altcoins, so theoretically shouldn't affect folding performance

[fickle needle]

it shouldn't, else they'll have a lawsuit on their hands

[cobalt igloo]

Why? Absolutely nothing on this would generate a lawsuit

[coarse light]

its their gpu and they can limit it in whatever way they want

[wary spindle]

They just have to say that they limited it in that way

[cobalt igloo]

Saying that'd be suitable for a lawsuit would be the same thing as claiming every i7 9700K owner can sue Intel for disabling Hyper-Threading artificiality on the micro-code

[wary spindle]

Lol

Sue amd for disabling cores on ccxes

[fickle needle]

they need to be transparent about what they're limiting

if they say they're playing 4D chess and limiting Ehtherium through some fancy memory access pattern analysis and it limits unrelated mechanisms, then that's false advertising and Nvidia will get the leather jacket sued off of them

I can sell a 6 core processor as a 6 core, that's fine, there are cases where a motherboard could unlock extra cores, that's fine

this is like someone selling a 6 core processor that says it will keep bugs away from my computer and it shoots my dog

[fickle needle]

though you're probably right, i'm not going to sue them, because i'm never going to end up with a 3060, with them all going to crypto miners & scalpers

[rose herald]

Because the 30 series has been handicapped for mining would that affect my folding? Im a bit new to this stuff.

[placid goblet]

No. The 3060 "mining limiter" only affects Ethereum.

[rose herald]

ok

[rich depot]

Can someone please help me with my monitor

Every single time I turn on my pc my monitor says DisplayPort no signal

[humble rover]

@rich depot #tech-support

[rich depot]

Nobody’s responding

Could u please help me

[humble rover]

Could be a bad cable

[tardy marlin]

change input to hdmi

[rich depot]

that didnt work

[proper fractal]

#tech-support

[unkempt delta]

What does folding define as "idle"?

[humble rover]

After 10 minutes, the F@screensaver kicks in (which is needed for the computer to be considered "idle" and start folding...
From the forum

[unkempt delta]

Thank you.

[silent juniper]

Temps on my laptop (Lenovo Legion 5 (i5 10300H, RTX 2060) after 10 hours of folding on medium:
CPU between 84 for the lowest core and 87 for the highest
GPU 75

this okay?

my CPU is thermally throttled (reached a high of 90 on one core according to HWinfo)

[fickle needle]

welp, modern laptops are always going to throttle at some level, it's part of their design to get as much performance as possible out of the parts

all you can really do is add more cooling (point a fan at your laptop) reduce the load (fold on less cores) or look to see if your laptop has the option to underclock

[humble rover]

Shoeracks make for great temporary cooling stands lul

[silent juniper]

(using 7 threads for CPU folding and 1 for the GPU folding slot)

[humble rover]

The OS usually likes a core for itself as well

[silent juniper]

aah

so 6 core CPU folding and 1 core GPU folding

[humble rover]

Might take a smol hit in the PPD in exchange for marginally better thermals, just something to consider in the future

[stark bough]

Is there a way to configure the default f@H client to basically never download and run CPU folding but only leave cores to support gpu folding?

[humble rover]

Can't you just not enable cpu folding then?

[stark bough]

Guess what I'm asking is can I just set cpu threads to 0 to basically disable cpu folding.

normally when I want a bit of heat in the room I tap fold to retrieve a job and then finish.

[humble rover]

Basically if you don't have a cpu slot, then it's not folding on the cpu period

[stark bough]

does it still retrieve a WU but basically never allocates threads to complete it? I recall I had problems in the past setting it to 0 but figured id ask first.

[humble rover]

It does not retrieve a WU if theres no slot for it to assign to

[modern raptor]

^^^ Just delete the cpu slot

[hushed bobcat]

yep delete the CPU slot, however if you ever update the program it seems to repopulate all slots

another option is to hit "Finish" then after its done right click on the slot and hit "Pause"

it wont download a WU that way

[silent juniper]

I mean, my heating in my room is broken anyway so I use folding partly for heating anyway lol

Better use of gpu time than gaming

[stark bough]

I have a radiative heater and I think the lowest setting is 500W?
Pushing 210 W through the system just to offset the small heat leaks is all I really want

[stark bough]

Was tempted to try NiceHash before I said “Fuck it” and just booted up LAR again

[steel reef]

heyo

[humble rover]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Crazy-mineral-oil-rig-with-eight-Nvidia-GeForce-RTX-3090-graphics-cards-could-be-the-future-of-cryptocurrency-mining.527719.0.html

Subterranean open air rig is pretty cool too, pun intended

[rich depot]

pretty sure this should go in #crypto-currency

[humble rover]

Didnt post it for the context of mining, posted it for the context of multi gpu cooling which has crossover with some folding rigs

[rich depot]

Ah okay

[modern raptor]

Seems like a pitb for maintenance

[fickle needle]

lol

maintenence

they're going to run that for 6 months until Bitcoin crashes, and then flip the cards for an obscene amount

[hexed creek]

is there an easy way to go about undervolting my cards while folding? i don't wanna run them at the limit all night, but i also would like an easy way to toggle that change, as I use the machine for gaming some afternoons and want full power then

and my cpu, preferably

[proper fractal]

for folding, it's best to make smaller changes and test for a long time. I'm not sure about undervolting, but I know overclocking even a lil bit can cause problems if not tested. The rate at which wu's fail is also higher

[humble rover]

For GPU, it's been found you can lower the power limit some way without a significant hit to PPD (can be offset with a slight overclock ymmv); use fahbench to verify
For CPU you could always just use fewer threads, otherwise you're digging into your bios for voltage settings and whatnot

[hexed creek]

ah thanks for the advice

[hexed creek]

i think i've done it fairly easily btw, i've just gone ahead and made a profile with a 15% lower power/temperature target for ym gpu, and on Ryzen Master you can just set it to eco mode and shut off a bunch of cores on a profile (but that one needs a restart)

[fervent otter]

noice https://i.imgur.com/J72LHgf.png

69

[hexed creek]

nice

[fervent otter]

i just started folding a few days ago

any tips ?

[humble rover]

There was an issue a while ago where eco mode isn't fully enabled without going through PBS settings in bios but I am unsure if that is still the case; won't know for sure without measuring at the wall. Since you're on a ryzen platform look into voltage offset as well to trim out some power consumption.

[hexed creek]

oh that's a great idea thank you

[humble rover]

@fervent otter FAH is pretty set and forget, but without knowing what hardware you're using it is pretty generic

[fervent otter]

hold on just a sec

https://i.imgur.com/YPvxffd.png

[hexed creek]

you can monitor CPU power usage within ryzen master, and it's using significantly less power than it was (110w down to 65ish, only disabling 2 cores and setting to eco)

[fervent otter]

i have this

[hexed creek]

not a bad effort, keep it up

[fervent otter]

the problem is that i have a laptop and the fans are making a lot of noises so i just monitor manually when i want to fold or not, I just cannot leave it on 24/7

but my server is running 24/7 https://i.imgur.com/X6wq7wG.png

but it's slow af

[hexed creek]

you can set F@H to only sue a certain amount of cores on the cpu, maybe start with that to get quieter operation

[humble rover]

Don't expect mobile hardware to yield massive points but yeah, keep your thermals in check when you can

[fervent otter]

https://i.imgur.com/lffzoAJ.png

[humble rover]

Software monitoring should always be taken with some degree of salt but its better than nothing

[fervent otter]

how much would you recommend me ?

[hexed creek]

go to the advanced control > configure > slots and double click your cpe, then you can set however many threads you'd like to fold with

[fervent otter]

because even on light power the fans are still blowing

[humble rover]

Unless you are absolutely committed to folding on your mobile cpu, the answer is usually none because the heat output isnt justified

General rule of thumb is leave one core for the OS, one for each gpu, and as many others for your other services

[fervent otter]

i put it to two

and the fans are slowing down now

[fervent otter]

although the wu for the cpu is so loooong, i had time to do two wus on the gpu while the first one i got on the cpu is still not done

[hexed creek]

yeah mobile cpus aren't gonna get too much done

that's ok though, if you're keen to fold, and are making sure the temps stay in check (not to mention power use), then there's no reason not to let it run when you're not using it

my first foray into this stuff was on Boinc with world community grid back in the mid 2010s, on an old 4th gen i5 laptop, your machine blows that thing out of the water😂

[fervent otter]

lol yeah

[hexed creek]

woulda been a 4300u or something, an absolute snail by today's standards

[fervent otter]

true

Im glad I've got a good cpu anyway

yo

its staying under 70°C on two threads

and the fans arent blowing

Might try to lower it to one thread just to be safe

[silent juniper]

Me: why does my laptop sounds like its trying to take off after i just plugged in the power cable
Also me:

[fervent otter]

same

[keen field]

Same

Well, kinda :P

Whenever I boot up a game after a power outage or something like that, it's always super laggy and I go through that same process lol

[fervent otter]

I didn't noticed I was folding while I was playing Minecraft and after I was done I was goign to look at the web control and I realized that I was folding the entire time

[keen field]

That's happened to me too lol

Sometimes my games are never laggy, sometimes they're unplayable when I'm folding

Folding doesn't drop my FPS, just makes it stuttery which is weird. Maybe it throws off frame timing/rendering or something like that

[silent juniper]

F for all the hard work my CPU has been doing

gpu is fine tho

[rich depot]

So I have a vps that is running ubuntu 18.04

Heres a screenshot of my problem

It wont stop nor start

What are the commands? Am I doing it wrong?

It shows that its running

This is for folding@home

[hushed bobcat]

I used to know the command..

I think you have to stop the service

But I'm not sure it's called fahclient

[muted pike]

@rich depot does your distro use systemd?

[keen field]

Is it normal for my GPU slot to be working on the same exact project constantly?

[humble rover]

It is not uncommon for assignment servers to hand out units belonging to a few projects, depending on what hardware is available and needed. You can see the PRCG will be slightly different between runs.

[keen field]

PRCG?

[fervent otter]

https://stats.foldingathome.org/donor/JustAeris 200k 🎉

[humble rover]

PRCG

[keen field]

I see

Thanks

[keen field]

So it is normal and it doesn't mean I'm missing out on possible progress, right, in short?

[humble rover]

Any WUs completed would be progress reported

[rich depot]

yeah

[muted pike]

@rich depot try using the systemctl command to manage services instead

if you have systemd, you shouldn't be calling those init scripts by hand

[rich depot]

To be completely honest, I dont know how to use ubuntu or any linux distro well. How would I use systemctl?

@muted pike

[muted pike]

systemctl start <service>

if you installed the programs through the package manager, there's usually a service unit that gets installed

and you can use systemctl to enable or start/restart, etc

[rich depot]

would it be fahclient.service?

[muted pike]

yeah

you can just do systemctl start fahclient

[rich depot]

Can I use systemctl to check status?

[muted pike]

yes, you can do systemctl status fahclient

[rich depot]

alright

Ill test that out

This is the output I get when trying to start folding@home: Failed to start fahclient.service: Unit fahclient.service not found.

[muted pike]

mh

[rich depot]

How can I start it?

[hushed bobcat]

This may sound silly, but did you reboot the system after installing?

[muted pike]

@hushed bobcat linux distros only need a reboot for kernel upgrades or initrd changes

as long as you don't load any sort of out of tree driver with DKMS, you don't need a restart

[hushed bobcat]

Actually it's pretty specific that you need to reboot the system after installing FAHClient

[silent juniper]

yes i use school electricity very useful

[burnt needle]

looks like some windows 2000 program lol

[silent juniper]

its the advanced control from F@H

[fickle needle]

it looks a lot more handsome with a dark theme

[humble rover]

Enchant theme or bust

[hushed bobcat]

Darklooks theme

[proper fractal]

I use the pure black and cyan/blue theme

[proper fractal]

I forget if me or mark or whoever else posted about it, but there's a small folding sprint starting on the 29th over on the forum. make sure to sign up before then (the sooner the better). if you fold 1 wu per day, you will be elegible for all the prizes, so that's epic

The forum thread is here https://linustechtips.com/topic/1311238-mid-week-madness-folding-sprint/

[fickle needle]

new folding event? time to let loose the dogs of war re-enables CPU folding, adding nearly 6000 PPD

the ESPEED

[proper fractal]

lol

totally going to beat everyone with my cpu

[modern raptor]

CPU used to get such high ppd ... now, like nothing.

[humble rover]

Remember -bigadv days? Pepperidge farm remembers.

4P opteron rigs for days

[modern raptor]

Indeed

[solid thunder]

...why are the times in the thread in GMT and not BST? will it start at 1 AM then 🤔

[proper fractal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

doesn't bst not start for another couple of weeks

[humble rover]

I lied google says end of march

[solid thunder]

28th of march

literally the day before

[proper fractal]

I posted in the thread asking

[solid thunder]

this is why we should use UTC

[rich depot]

Isn't UTC=GMT?

[proper fractal]

EXACTLY, that's what I said

[solid thunder]

i mean yes, but

[proper fractal]

yes, except there's bst

[solid thunder]

they are the same time, but UTC is an international standard whereas GMT is location-based (greenwich)

i don't know if there are any countries in the longitude that don't switch to another time during DST

[fickle needle]

all folding challenges should use Blizzard time, as god intended

[stark bough]

Damn. Was going to fold but I’m going to be it of town those days and I don’t feel comfortable folding without someone in the house

[coarse light]

download chrome remote desktop and control your pc from your phone

[stark bough]

Already remote manage.

[fickle needle]

sounds like you need to cobble together a rig you don't mind losing to fold on

[placid goblet]

I passed 20 million points!

Been Folding since January.

I fold 23/7 on my 650 Ti BOOSTs, and I had a GTX 750 that I was Folding on but I sold it.

I do have a 1660 Ti Max-Q that I run at night.

[hushed bobcat]

I'm debating whether to run my new laptop in the folding event

[humble rover]

Up to you, no badges for this event

I ran my XPS for a bit for fun in the last sprint

[hushed bobcat]

i wouldn't even try with the battery hooked up, and im not sure if it will boot without one

[austere jewel]

Nice, I have been folding for a year and I dont think I hot 20mill

oof

[hushed bobcat]

I started folding pretty much exactly a year ago

sitting at 748 Million points right now

[humble rover]

Beta testing for GPU work units

We're currently conducting beta testing for GPU work units. (Beta testing is generally the final step before a program or product is released to the general public.) So far, World Community Grid's tech team has completed four rounds of this testing, and recently launched a fifth round, which you can read about in our forum.
https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewNewsArticle.do?articleId=692

[solid thunder]

haven't we been getting GPU WUs for COVID for a while now

[humble rover]

That is for BOINC

[solid thunder]

oh

[modern raptor]

I started folding in 2009 and got to 10m over multiple years ... GPUs with their 4m+ ppd >.>

[hushed bobcat]

my best GPU is 2.2mil ppd i think

1080 Ti

[modern raptor]

What kind of ppd do high end CPUs/RAM get today?

[hushed bobcat]

Ram does nothing for PPD, as long as you have enough.
As for CPU PPD https://folding.lar.systems/cpu_ppd/overall_ranks

[modern raptor]

Some of the older WUs couldn’t run without high ram, so they gave extra ppd for that ...

[fickle needle]

I wish

i'd make bank with my i3 with 16GB of RAM

[humble rover]

Laughs in cheap early ddr4 kits

Sitting on 64 gb of dom plats I bought for pennies for a build I never got around to doing

But bought it for the nostalgia

[fickle needle]

the nice thing about DDR4 is someday you'll find a random Dell/HP business PC that will hold ALL of it, and you'll have a random machine kicking around with like 64GB of RAm

meanwhile on DDR3 I had to sell my soul to the devil to get a machine with 32GB

[modern raptor]

My homelab ...

[keen field]

Nice nice

[modern raptor]

Switched to folding last night on my vgpus ... already at 5.1m points

[hushed bobcat]

Just cranked everything up

A little early but ehhh

[solid thunder]

wait we started already?

oh whoops wrong thread

[proper fractal]

The event didn't start if that's what you mean

[solid thunder]

yeah i'm aware

times weren't updated :(

[proper fractal]

For now it doesn't matter too much, people should start at least a few hours before hand so they know the system is good and stable. From our end I've been grabbing the hourly stats for the last few days anyway so after the first day that's when we need to get the correct start hour then +24 after that.
leadeater (a forum mod) said that in the group chat for people helping out with collecting stats and such

[rich depot]

I just realised they had these certificates

[keen field]

Technically 1,029 but yeah :D

[hushed bobcat]

😦

[indigo socket]

ugh, wish my mom had these for all the underwear I folded...

[stark bough]

what card you running?

I wonder how long ive been running

like total.

[undone pivot]

i ran boinc for a few years but stopped because of the electricity bills; with a 1060 and 6600K over four years, and a 3600X and 5700XT for like half a year, i got shockingly far

i wonder what my 5900X and 6800XT would be able to do...

[stark bough]

MY 1070, non TI im surprised I even got past 100 mil

[undone pivot]

i tried f@h but stopped because it was outright preventing my PC from sleeping properly; it would instead just turn the display off

i wanted to still be able to put my PC to sleep when necessary so that was irritating

[stark bough]

thats what its supposed to do

[undone pivot]

yeah

[hushed bobcat]

you can just pause folding then put the PC to sleep

[undone pivot]

...me dum

[austere jewel]

1050Ti 4GB Mobile, 7700HQ. I just leave it running on medium when I am idle.

[modern raptor]

fah ppd inflation is out of control ... it used to take years to reach just 1m. Now a single gpu can get 5-6m in a day o.O

[stark bough]

Yeah badges have been revised because of it

[proper fractal]

I'm just out here with like no more than 500k or so

I think, I stopped folding for a while so new projects or what not could be much better

[placid goblet]

Well this sucks.

I have a new project now, but it's screwing with WebGL and OpenGL.

I think it also messed up my GPU drivers.

[proper fractal]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/1967-day-one/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1wdto0d8bvJgSts053SVwNzGAK3QKA5UL2nir_4rV-Iw/htmlview (for the stats)

[keen field]

Yeah I saw that happening this morning

[hushed bobcat]

still not working for me

[fervent otter]

900k babyyyy

Soon 1mil

[stark bough]

how many days is this going for again? was out of town for the first one

[humble rover]

Event Starts March 29th (00:00 BST)

Ends April 2nd (23:59 BST)

[stark bough]

I have decided to do something different for the requirements for this event; everyone will be eligible for prizes as long as you fold at least one work unit for every day of the event.

Aw darn, missed out then

[modern raptor]

Can you sign up late if you’ve been folding the right times ...

[humble rover]

I do believe spec wants people to sign up before the event, hence the deadline

[modern raptor]

Ah bummer

[humble rover]

Yep

Sign up for the event here:

Sign up's are now closed

[proper fractal]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/1968-day-two/ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jf2HE4c1I0sFvc6dQ3Lc4M2WERW6cD-_VlWP8lYSAUE/edit?usp=sharing

[hushed bobcat]

fell 2 places today

just added in my Laptop, whose GPU apparently is good for 1.1 million PPD....

[rich depot]

meanwhile me just folding on CPU using just 4 threads

[rich turtle]

I'm losing. 😦

[humble rover]

@rich turtle Spec is just withholding your points to keep it spicy till the weekend

[fervent otter]

https://stats.foldingathome.org/donor/JustAeris 1MIL GUYSSS

🎉

[hushed bobcat]

I guess that means it's time to upgrade the rig, or get a new one and add it to your total

[humble rover]

looks at the EPYC flexing in the BOINC thread

[fickle needle]

are you getting WUs done daily with just CPU?

[proper fractal]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1311238-mid-week-madness-folding-sprint/?do=findComment&comment=14605424 no blog (for now), so the great and holy cbigfoot posted the results for the day in the forum thread

[hushed bobcat]

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5173/~/geforce-gpu-passthrough-for-windows-virtual-machine-(beta)

[rich depot]

Yup, actually

[placid crown]

bruh

[worn valley]

poggers

[humble rover]

For some reason I could never get the pts certificate to work for me lol

[rich turtle]

Just delete the part that says &type=score

https://apps.foldingathome.org/awards?user=130159

[humble rover]

o true u rite

[rich turtle]

Idk why you have to do that, or why I figured that out... but it works lol

[humble rover]

Would have been neat to have a 500m for when I got my badge but that ships sailed lol

I just have it for every thousand WUs now

[rich depot]

Wow, that's a lotta points,

Meanwhile

[proper fractal]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/1969-day-four/https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e5hEx92urcNTjmmbELpwzL16_1NMRdRByXFh2xo2uL8/edit?usp=sharing stats and blog post for today

[solid thunder]

day one
day two
day four

[proper fractal]

lol
spec isn't feeling great (I think a vegan burrito caused him to miss day 3), so for better or for worse yesterday's stats had to be posted in the folding thread rather than through the blog

[modern raptor]

Climbing up the fah ranks

[hushed bobcat]

YES

I'll take that

[rich depot]

(sigh), me place 84

[rich turtle]

I didn't go up any spots at all this time 😦

[humble rover]

🥳 I guess thats the event then