folding-and-boinc

[humble rover]

I find its better to throw the threads at boinc unless youre running a hedt for fah

[fickle needle]

also, if we're talking efficiency, my old GTS 450 absolutely stomps CPU folding, so you're better off sticking to just GPU

[rich depot]

I got to fix my laptops and use them for folding

[fickle needle]

be prepared, i've straight up killed two laptops folding, its harder on them than desktops

[rich depot]

i've been folding on with pretty much 24/7 for like 6 months now

Oh no

I missed a number and i'm not in the LTT team

[humble rover]

oof

[fickle needle]

I hope you weren't hoping to take part in folding month

[humble rover]

Also while we're on the topic of web client, highly recommend the LAR FAH web extension

[fickle needle]

LAR FAH is dope

[humble rover]

(assuming you're on chrome)

[rich depot]

I mostly use Advanced Control

[fickle needle]

it's worth running Chrome for even if you don't usually

[rich depot]

Just this time

[lapis gulch]

or edge chronium

[rich depot]

Well, i gotta clean my room and boost my self esteem just like i'll kinda boost the LLT Folding Team

And if i have like 10 laptops running in my basement that will be checked on every 2 weeks or so, should i have them on "Only When Idle" or "While i'm working"?

[humble rover]

Set to while im working. Might want to check your power plans so they dont go to sleep and set cpu usage to 99% so theyre [not] on the thermal limit

Also take note of their IPs and set up remote access so if one of them goes down in the 2 week interval you'll know about it

[rich depot]

thanks for the tip

[fickle needle]

and 10 laptops? might be worth learning how to install the Linux distro of your choice

unless they're all the exact same version of Windows

and if that version is 10 make sure to delay the updates for at least the 2 weeks

[humble rover]

Is it me or are servers slow to assign gpu units now?

[humble rover]

Murmurs that the 3.7m number is for a 6800xt

[humble rover]

New ARM client pushed

https://foldingathome.org/2020/11/24/new-client-with-arm-support/

[stark bough]

Gonna be interesting to see the PPD/W

[humble rover]

New projects on navi 21

[supple cypress]

Hello, I found my PC on a strange state this morning. First I have the largest log of errors/warnings I've ever seen and then I have a weird set of folding jobs shown in the screenshot.

My CPU was running overnight but I just stopped it. Job with ID 01 looks like is not running but is assigned to my GPU

and my log is full of "attempting to restart.." and "unknown error...probably crashed"

[left stream]

LTT folding server down since 5 days btw

@unique sigil

https://apps.foldingathome.org/serverstats

[pseudo island]

F@H Cloud folding service advertisement!

Hello boys and girls. I convinced some people at my company to start a cloud folding service on the side if there is a demand for it. We have the capability to scale up to do a +100 GPU farm if we see big demand for it in the future. (Our company do not rely on this income, this is just a side adventure and also trying to increase F@H overall PPD)

If there is demand for it we can allow people to rent out even multiple 3080 GPUs which are specifically tailored to do ONLY folding with the best efficiency possbile.

1x3080 rent price would be 175$/m which includes electricity+maintenance cost as well. (its about daily ~5.5m PPD so a monthly 170m PPD) (you would be able to get all of the Curecoin crypto which would be rewarded for it as well but its not proftitable and thats not the goal necessarily either)

If you are interested in such service please DM me so we can evaluate the demand. Thank you.

[lapis gulch]

so im spending 25% of the msrp for a 3080 a month

on a gpu that i wont even own

so in ontario, mid peak power rate is 15 cents a kwh

so roughly 35$ CAD a month in power

so if i want to use a 3080 for more than 5 months, id be better off buying it myself

not to mention ill own a 3080 in the end

[humble rover]

Just to expand on that, at 24/7 load assuming 350w it comes out to $7.8/wk on TOU pricing or $7.4/wk on a tiered plan. (for ON)
There's a good chance the card will hold decent residual value when it's time to EOL the thing (like pascal cards) so that's something to consider

[lapis gulch]

3080 uses default 320w

[humble rover]

I'm going by what TPU measured under a gaming load

[lapis gulch]

tpu?

[humble rover]

techpowerup, 370w sustained for furmark

[lapis gulch]

is he using the evga ftw3 3080?

[humble rover]

Founders

[lapis gulch]

huh

[humble rover]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-founders-edition/31.html

Ofc it can be lower depending on how you tune it for FAH but I just needed a number for a hypothetical

[lapis gulch]

meh close enough

my tuf 3090 is limited to 375w according to hwinfo

[humble rover]

At 300w it comes down to $6.7/wk on TOU pricing, so there ya go lol

If you were only folding on off-peak (assuming you own the card) its $3.4/wk

[lapis gulch]

another thing to note, ive noticed that PPD is higher when its not outputing to display

my bottom card seems to consistently output 500k to 1 mil more than top card

[humble rover]

Yeah it'll jump when theres no need to display output or it can run headless

Primary card will always use some percentage of power to run the OS

As LAR has said it's anytime a 3d graphic has to be rendered

[lapis gulch]

i see

[pseudo island]

@lapis gulch lot of people dont want to buy the hardware not to mention dont want to operate something for 0-24. Thats it. it was never on earth "worth" renting anything in the cloud anywehere so im not sure why you questioning the "value". look around and try finding something cheaper.

Also there is the option to rent more than 1

[left stream]

how about your company folds on all available GPU servers when they are available and otherwise doing nothing? Same outcome and good for company image @pseudo island

maybe have them create their own team

like the others

[pseudo island]

if you have "available GPU servers" you are doing something wrong in your company 😉

[left stream]

so you are implying it's impossible to get a GPU server from them because 100 % GPU servers are already in use?

From my experience datacenters usually buy hardware in the first place in order to be able to rent it.

[pseudo island]

well yes, if you have servers you have them because you using them.
if that company plan is to do renting and thats their goal no matter what they buy "first" but they also do market reserach before buying it. They dont just put capital into it and "hope". I did not ask "pre orders" to funding or anything like that i just asked people if they would buy this service if there would be an option. Our company does not "need" this. Its a possible option and we can put capital into it if we see demand. thats all.

[left stream]

Well if the company was an actual hoster with GPU servers for rent, like CherryServers, Hostkey, etc

Whenever a client gives back a server and the next client didn't order yet, it's easy for them to reset the server into a basic OS with FAH client pre-configured

I helped Hostkey set up just this so their hardware is optimally used all the time

[pseudo island]

specifically sad that its a side adventure for us and our pricing is competitive with legit hosters. thats all. I also have experience in setting up big mining operations so i have quite a good experience with this. im not sure what you trying to say with these other hosts

yes, these services already exsists

[left stream]

I understood at first that your company has available GPU servers for rent

not that it would have to buy the GPUs

[pseudo island]

we have good connections, we can get them, we just not gonna start if there is no demand for this service since we dont "need" it like renting hosts

[left stream]

got it

[pseudo island]

hey, maybe its not a good idea and im just optimistic, but its for a good goal

[left stream]

i asked around on the forum, very little interest for that kinda stuff

LTT forums

[humble rover]

Mercenaries are a very sporadic demand kind of deal

[left stream]

its the DIY community thing, people prefer to build their own rigs. also the cost factor over time makes no sense

[lapis gulch]

so 175/month usd (presumably) for likely 180,000,000 points

u know what, ill offer 180,000,000 points credited to your account $134USD

basically same service for less money

[pseudo island]

i guess you missing the point but i was kinda expecing this kind of reaction from a tech community.

you can "brag" all you want that you manage to operate few cards but try to operate 100 of them with your 134 usd 😉

[humble rover]

fwiw the price is competitive considering that only gets you a 1240v3 and gtx1080 at cherry

I just dont know if theres demand to sustain it now that cloud gaming is tapering off

Even parsec shuttered their cloud nodes, which were also pascal based

So its your company vs aws

[pseudo island]

dunno, cloud gaming was always dead to me with their 200ms so... thats a really different story
i dont think ac143 is familiar with renting services so i wont argue with you.

Yea, i did a market research, i know 175$ is competative. im just not sure if there is people willing to pay for this kind of service. it would only do folding to increase overall PPD

[humble rover]

Not unless you make it easy to scale instances otherwise its a lot of idle capacity

But what do i know lol

People might just be more comfortable on azure/aws unless you can push ampere as a solid ups

[pseudo island]

there would be 0 idle, it would always fold, however if the business model is not working we will need to shutdown after like a year or something and wont scale up at all if there are no renters

not the "pure profit" is the goal... if the "pure profit" is the goal we would just flip and scalp the cards lol

[humble rover]

Then its all in goodwill then

[pseudo island]

yes and kinda no, because its obviously aimed to be profitable but its also aimed to do F@H

[stark bough]

Any consensus on the best cards for sustained folding on 3080?

[stark bough]

I was looking at EVGA, reference, or TUF

[pseudo island]

i would say any brand which are not the "noname" ones. Asus, Evga, even msi should be fine.
The "budget cards" usually not worst at pcb level significantly or even measurably only their cooling is worst so the fan "cant handle" high amount of usage and that +3C, +4C can be a factor on how fast your fan is spinning. If your budget card have cheaper fans and they even need to go higher speed to cool the card it will have a higher chance of faliure at the long run.

[alpine adder]

i have a asus tuf 3080

[rich depot]

Hey guys

I just bought my first Foldable! The Galaxy Fold!

[proper fractal]

?

[ruby pond]

@rich depot Thats not the point of the channel...

[final lantern]

Folding my galaxy fold at home

[pseudo island]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1275042-fh-cloud-folding-service/

FYI Created a topic as well

uhm.. guess its have been deleted by mods... thats kinda sad

[pseudo island]

yup... "advertising" is not allowed... kinda sad given that its a honest idea and LTT have been supporting F@H for years... it is what it is i guess

[proper fractal]

if it's advertising, then of course it'll be deleted

you can always pm a mod and ask them about it

like if there's a way to post about it without breaking a rule

[pseudo island]

Its not "advertising" the service does not even exist yet, its more like a market research and given that LTT have supported f@h i thought its fine

[lapis gulch]

I mean honestly it does seem like you're advertising your service imo

[proper fractal]

market research is fine afaik. I've seen some posted in general or off topic. Try again, making sure it's more about research

like you literally put advertisement in the post

[pseudo island]

i guess my wording is not the "best" to keeping the "rules" however i personally do not see why this would be a problem even on an advertsiment level. If you mention any "coin mining" in that forum or if you mention Hostkey Cherryservers thats just as much count as advertisment in my view... but i try to repost it with different wording... if im getting banned its ony you 😆

[proper fractal]

pm a mod

use polls

if it's in good faith, I got your back, and you can always appeal

[pseudo island]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1275110-whats-your-opinion-on-a-highly-efficient-fh-cloud-folding-service/ lets see

[stark bough]

Getting cold again. time to put on 300W of heating

[stuck bramble]

XD

[west wedge]

anyone here has rx6800?

[finite palm]

LiNuS hAs Rx 6800s

[lapis gulch]

lmao

[lunar cliff]

linus has multiple 3070, 3080, 3090 as well

[humble rover]

And a bunk 3060ti

[proper fractal]

Well hopefully bunk. Otherwise Nvidia is in trouble

[supple cypress]

what happened on the 2nd of December? the LTT team gained about 600 active users (but no significant change in the output/points) 🤔

[dim quail]

But why the battery?

sorry

wrong channel

[delicate ravine]

i have the 3060ti

but no mobo

still waiting

[stark bough]

Linus Media Group has those cards

Linus doesn’t

[violet cypress]

...its his media group

[humble rover]

Business interests are principally separate from personal interests

[fickle needle]

@stark bough I didn't run over your dog, my car did

but yeah, Linus has been pretty vocal in the past about review units being important for the editorial process

give him 6 months until he outfits the whole LAN center with cards noone can buy, then the angar is rael

[proper fractal]

What are you talking about

When he can buy a dozen plus 30 series GPUs so will everyone else. Afaik he and every other tech yt don't buy cards directly from manufacturers

[toxic wing]

what is folding and bionic

[humble rover]

@toxic wing

https://foldingathome.org/about/#:~:text=Folding%40home (FAH%20or%20F,in%20a%20variety%20of%20diseases.

[toxic wing]

oh i see were doing protein folding in bio

so people just like volunteer their computers to run simulations?

[humble rover]

Pretty much @toxic wing

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04/how-the-pandemic-revived-a-distributed-computing-project-and-made-history/

[toxic wing]

oh thats interesting

[stark bough]

I really want folding scheduling built into the client. Would be nice to wake up to a warm room

[proper fractal]

That's actually a good idea

[supple cypress]

i guess it depends on the power of your folding machine. Mine is pretty low compared to a heater (about 300W power draw) so during colder days I just leave it on 24/7. It's not powerful enough to say run "just" from 4am-8am to warm up the room.

but a folding scheduler based on outside temps/weather, that would be interesting

[stark bough]

Even a rudimentary one would be good

I keep mines in the living room for now. If I know I just need it to heat the room I set it to grab a job and complete it. 2 hour timer for 350W of heating

1500W is a lot of you have a freezing room, 700 is kind of a lot depending on the insulation as well. But sometimes all you need to do is maintain the room at temp and since the computer already has its own fans it moderates the room well.

[rich depot]

I wonder if LAR_Systems could add this to the web client, as that can send start and stop commands already. Throw in a timer and then some way to trigger the command from that timer and jobs a good un...

[supple cypress]

IFTTT triggers to start stop F@H !

[humble rover]

@stark bough Gorgon put me onto scheduling the service to fold according to time of day use rates, quite handy for starting the clients but it gets tricky depending on when you need to shut down the client or when WUs finish. If you had a smart thermostat you could probably tie that into the scheduler

[stark bough]

That’s one of the reasons I proposed it. TOU + SOLAR means people like me have a high incentive to schedule. I was thinking that you could probably schedule a Last retrieval at a certain time, say 2 hours before TOU starts or however it takes a typical WU to complete. For me a “finish” is basically a 2 hour timer.

It doesn’t need to tie into any calendar or sunrise/sunset or varying weekday/weekend calendar

[humble rover]

The way he methodizes it just sets finish to 90 minutes before on peak starts which works most of the time except when a long WU slips through

[stark bough]

Just a rough “last call” retrieval.

A rogue long WU isn’t too bad as long as it isn’t consistent, and even if it is you can always adjust.

[humble rover]

If lurking homelab has taught me anything its that you can use grafana to do many things

[stark bough]

Ideal of course would be setting some sort of Boolean logic behind my current solar export, and comparison of indoor and outdoor temps, and time of use. But that’s just crazy

I personally wouldn’t want to add any more overhead or background tasks to my gaming/main computer

[humble rover]

Thats the magic of home automation

[stark bough]

Putting scheduling into your homelab is one thing. Putting it into your gaming rig is another

What’s the saying? Shit where you eat.

[humble rover]

Don't shit where you eat*

[stark bough]

Yeah I got lazy

Maybe if I had a dedicated GPU server that had spare time to fold but I have a single card, as do many “gamers”

And I’m not interested in learning a new piece of kit to fold. It’s a hobby, not a job.

[humble rover]

So suffice to say we're not expecting great things from biggest navi yeah?

[fickle needle]

last time I checked you can't GPU fold when F@H is running as a service, else that would be the ideal solution

I could probably bang together something in PyAutogui if there's serious interest XD

[humble rover]

idk as long as fahclient is open you should be able to send the telnet instructions to it, dunno if you have to setup slots beforehand though

[wintry ether]

What is this channel for?

[humble rover]

@wintry ether

https://foldingathome.org/about/

[wintry ether]

Ah

I see

[sleek fulcrum]

a

[hollow dagger]

I am folding on my MacBook Pro

[proper fractal]

Rip

[tough trout]

you could probably fry an egg on the back of it

[silent bear]

Sounds like an LTT video idea to me

[dull brook]

i am officially part of the team now

[humble rover]

Welcome to the fold @dull brook

[proper fractal]

Welcome @dull brook ! I suggest making an LTT forum account and checking out the folding, boinc and mining subforum.

[crimson pewter]

What is rx6800 max temp

[orchid forge]

no ur max temp is 100

[supple anchor]

anyone know or can link me to apple M1 folding performance? is it as expected based off of x86 benchmarks, better, worse?

[fickle needle]

I personally think you're insane for wanting to fold on an M1 Mac, all I know is that F@H isn't on the list of tested/supported apps

https://isapplesiliconready.com/

so at best you'd be looking at running it through rosetta, and at that point you're better off just finding a x86 machine

[supple anchor]

Not trying to fold on a Mac, just wanted to know how Apple’s arm silicon architecture handles that type of workload

[stark bough]

Problem with ARM.... is that you have to optimize for ARM

[humble rover]

Theres an ARMx64 client but dunno how well itd pair with the M1

[stark bough]

That and the jobs need to be optimized for the architecture

[rich depot]

I'm pretty sure there are no active Folding cores that support ARM64 though so the client would be irrelevant

[fickle needle]

@rich depot what are you on about? there's totally F@H for ARM64 https://foldingathome.org/alternative-downloads/

@humble rover well M1 isn't ARM

[rich depot]

Wait, when did FAH bring back arm folding?

[fickle needle]

it's actually super recent

think it was the last update

AFAIK the whole community looked up for a second, went 'Neat' and then got back to whatecer

ARM is weird because the GPU support just isn't there

I can attach a GPU to an ancient Phenom X4 and fold no problem

I can't hook a GPU up to a 50$ ARM machine

[rich depot]

Thanks for the info @fickle needle

[kind kelp]

Is there gpu support for intel macbook?

[tame canopy]

should be

[hushed bobcat]

wait that means i can fold on a raspberry pi?

[kind kelp]

doesn't work for my macbook

also the advanced controls don't work for me

[worldly hazel]

Back in business

[fickle needle]

do everyone a favor and just nix your CPU slot, might even speed up your GPU folding a bit

[worldly hazel]

But then my CPU gets bored ...

[humble rover]

BOINC might be worth looking into with WCG

[rich depot]

@fickle needle there are WUs that are only available in CPU cores so it makes sense that some people should run CPU slots. Even if they aren't as efficient

[fickle needle]

that's actually kinda sick

NVm

maybe I should start CPU folding again

[median laurel]

as shots are going into peoples arms today . id like to give a HUGE shout out to everyone who has turned in work units.

[fickle needle]

though there's the golden rule of 'leave a thread open to sync your Nvidia GPU' so SFF Md should drop a thread assuming they're on a quadcore

[rich depot]

I'm guessing they are on at least a SMT quad core going from the fact that have a 3080 so they most likely have 4 threads minimum free. Also you should leave one more than the number of GPUs free. So if you have a single GPU you should have minimum 2 threads, if you have 4 GPUs you need minimum 5 threads free

[deep swan]

what is folding

[tepid tapir]

Galaxy Z fold 2

but actualy simulating protein folding for science

like curing covid and othersd

[deep swan]

ah thank you

what about boinc

@tepid tapir

@tepid tapir

[tepid tapir]

?

[deep swan]

boinc?

[tepid tapir]

idj, i assume a program

[deep swan]

oh

[tepid tapir]

cant type rn doe

[deep swan]

ok

[proper fractal]

boinc is folding, but not. it's for distributed computation, like fah is. There's a ton of different projects on there

[rich depot]

^^

[rich depot]

I'm delete baby dont you see the outfit

[proper fractal]

Wut

[deep swan]

i have no idea what you're talking about

@proper fractal what are the notifications roles

[proper fractal]

What do you mean

[deep swan]

like news notifications

the role

im on pc btw and when you click on someone's profile, it shows what roles they're in. what are the notifications roles?

[proper fractal]

Ooh. It reveals respective channels

So like news is for discord stuff

My fp notifications are for floatplane releases

[deep swan]

so there is a seperate server for that?

[proper fractal]

No?

[deep swan]

seperate channel?

[proper fractal]

Ye. #472210112686325770 and react to what you want

[deep swan]

so it sends like a message or something when a new video is released

[proper fractal]

Ya

[deep swan]

ah

[rich depot]

im elite baby dont you see the outfit

[rich depot]

My folding is all over the place these days. Seeing as i stop folding on my main rig while I'm streaming, Hopefully can get some money sorted and can upgrade Foldatron next year.

[kind kelp]

FAHControl won't open for me on mac

can anyone help?

[worldly hazel]

My guess is try open it with the console, and look if it gives a error message

[worldly hazel]

CUDA doesn't work atm

[rich depot]

I fold

[rich depot]

what is fold

Its the folding at home project: https://foldingathome.org/ you let your PC do difficult calculations when its in IDLE to help the world research mathemetical medical problems like COVID and other things.

[rich depot]

oh

so its kinda like bitcoin mining but instead for chairity and no oay

how do i start folding

[silent juniper]

Go to the link above and follow the instructions! Welcome to the team!

[worldly hazel]

Seems like most of the available WUs are for
CPUs 1-4 Cores
GPUs

[humble rover]

There are WUs available for any number of CPU cores, but different projects have different utilizations

[worldly hazel]

In theory yes but if I set my CPU to auto (-1) and it wants to get a WU for 14 Cores it idles for hours in no WU available for this Configuration.

[humble rover]

That behaviour was observed when the servers were running low on CPU WUs, which was mostly resolved with babysitter. My 16t slot has had no issues without it running as of late

You could manually set it to 10 or 12 and see if that improves things, provided you leave spare capacity for any gpus or OS overhead

[worldly hazel]

I set it to multiple 1 and multiple 2 Cores

which runs fine

[humble rover]

This is a day old but ooo they're getting close

[humble rover]

Wait was this always here LOL

[kind kelp]

Somebody please help. I can't open the FahControl on my macbook

[hushed bobcat]

ooh i like that it shows windows and Linux now

[humble rover]

Yaaas its from the early week update

[hushed bobcat]

and the CPU PPD database is now available

nice

[humble rover]

Yup that updates a bit older but much appreciated

[hushed bobcat]

lot of red here

[normal cairn]

3080 20gb

[midnight meteor]

3060 12 gb

[next sinew]

FORTNITE NINJA?

[fierce steppe]

Just a reminder that at the end of the year the minimum requirements for Folding badges on the LTT forum will be increasing. If you are a member of the LTT forum and are eligible for a badge please claim it before the end of the year.
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1069238-fh-and-boinc-badge-request-thread-last-update-2020-dec-21/

[stark bough]

Darn need to find my forum accout pw

[rich depot]

how much is 6.277.000 points in Folding?

or "Credit"

[rich depot]

and 6.277.00 as team credit

like

[humble rover]

It is 1:1 there is no points conversion

[rich depot]

And what are WU's

[humble rover]

Work units are tasks completed by your hardware

[rich depot]

ahhh

Cool

that means i can use multiple devices under one account right?

[humble rover]

Yes as long as they all have the correct donor info

[rich depot]

which i don't know what that is

[humble rover]

The donor name you fold under and the passkey tied to that donor (the stuff you enter when you first set up FAH)

[rich depot]

Oh yeah

So if i use the same passkey i am fine right?

it's like logging on to like an account to do something from multiple devices

[humble rover]

Yes as long as you have the same passkey you're good to go, however, if someone else is using the same donor name as you the points total will reflect that

[rich depot]

Alright

Thanks for the info

[solemn moat]

boinc?

waiittt I know that name

I used a program called boinc to help min on my pc

[humble rover]

Everything @ home that isnt at folding, pretty much

[solemn moat]

folding?

[humble rover]

https://foldingathome.org/about/#:~:text=Folding%40home (FAH%20or%20F,in%20a%20variety%20of%20diseases.

[fickle needle]

everytime I set up a Linux machine to GPU fold it gets like 20% harder

this last one I set up is just gonna sit how it is, no updates or anything XD

[hushed bobcat]

same here

i set up a linux folding machine in March

for the LTT Folding month i decided to update it

broke everything

so i just installed Windows

[fickle needle]

yeah, I just went through a security scare where one of my roommate's windows machines got hacked, it was a VPN endpoint or something like that so i'm wary of running anything Windows that isn't a straight gaming machine

so I have two machines on Ubuntu LTS 18.04.5 and they're just staying that way, no updates XD

it broke my heart seeing the listing for APT and seeing like 135 packages able to update, but any one of those could fiddle with my graphics driver or something it depends on

[humble rover]

https://www.techpowerup.com/276498/a-christmas-miracle-500-000-nvidia-rtx-3080-cards-found-in-lost-shipping-container

Wish the WUs weren't so long but the payout is decent I guess LOL

[lucid obsidian]

what is boinc

[humble rover]

"The Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC) is an open source middleware system for volunteer- and grid computing. Originally it was developed to be the SETI@home project re-done, re-thought into a generic framework that could have many uses, before it became useful as a platform for other distributed applications in areas as diverse as mathematics, medicine, molecular biology, climatology, and astrophysics. The intent of BOINC is to make it possible for researchers to tap into the enormous processing power of personal computers around the world."

[lucid obsidian]

ah okay thank you

[proper fractal]

I'm pretty sure that's a fake news/satirical news (think the onion) started by a Spanish news site on the 28th (Spain's April fools Day basically)

[stark bough]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-3080-tuf-gaming-oc/33.html

https://tpucdn.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-3080-tuf-gaming-oc/images/performance-per-watt_3840-2160.png

https://tpucdn.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-3080-tuf-gaming-oc/images/performance-per-dollar_3840-2160.png

Trying to convince myself to go 3080 Tuf

[humble rover]

Why not strix

[stark bough]

thats what im trying to figure out.

[fierce bear]

whats WU?

[humble rover]

https://test.foldingathome.org/faqs/fah-v7/v7-introduction/web-control/what-is-a-work-unit/

[fierce bear]

ah okay

thanks

[fickle needle]

I mean, i

i'd take either a TUF or a Strix if I could find one in stock

[proper fractal]

must be tuf

This is a reminder to claim any unclaimed folding badges on the forum. Higher requirements come in to effect jan 1st, so do it before thursday

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1069238-fh-and-boinc-badge-request-thread-last-update-2020-dec-27/

[stark bough]

@proper fractal Do I have to Strix you in the head.

@proper fractal Also do I have to DM spotty?

[proper fractal]

if you did it'd probably feel like an amp in my ear ;)

and dm him for what?

[stark bough]

found the end of the thread. n/m

[proper fractal]

oh lol

make sure to link your eoc profile and say what badge you qualify for

[stark bough]

https://stats.foldingathome.org/donor/SodaDog

yep

[fickle needle]

I got my bronze 😄

[rich depot]

WOO!!!!!! Glad to see newer folders around

[proper fractal]

^

Tbh with the higher point requirements I'll probably never get gold, or at least not get it within a year (or two). I'll just have to make do with my silver

[candid heath]

What's a folding team?

[daring solar]

that was a joke for the spanish equivelant of april fools

[humble rover]

LTT Folding Team #: 223518 - Get Info at https://lmg.gg/folding

[fierce steppe]

Please don't DM me. If you want a forum badge post in the badge request thread

[fierce steppe]

I already have gold, but I'd need to double the total amount of points I currently have to get... Gold lol

[fierce bear]

ok what is this folding and boinc all about?

[fierce steppe]

Your computer goes Brrr and helps research

[fierce bear]

uhm my brain could not process that

also how do i contribute?

[fierce steppe]

It's a distributed compute project where research projects are broken up in to very small chunks and distributed to millions of computers around the world to process and send back.

[fierce bear]

so can i help?

[fierce steppe]

Probably.
https://foldingathome.org/

[fierce bear]

ok

thanks

[fierce steppe]

https://boinc.berkeley.edu/

F@H is medical research. BOINC is a number of different research projects, you choose which you want to contribute to

[fierce bear]

ok so they say they are at 100%

so guess im going boinc?

[fierce steppe]

That's just the Moonshot project for folding at home

They do a whole heap of things on F@H, from Cancer, COVID, and other stuff

[fierce bear]

ok

so i should get folding or boinc

sorry im literally just noticing all of this now

[fierce steppe]

What hardware will you be using?

Take a look at the different projects available on BOINC and read up on what Folding@Home contributes to and choose which you think is the more worthy cause

[fierce bear]

i will be using my laptop

though there is a computer i could use

but its slowere

[fierce steppe]

I wouldn't recommend using a laptop, unless you just want it to run hot and kill its battery

[fierce bear]

ok so computer?

but the thing is the computer is slow and has a hdd

like how much ram will this need?

[fierce steppe]

Storage and RAM isn't important. It's either CPU or GPU.

[fierce bear]

it has a intel i5

ill check what gen it is

has no gpu

actually there is one more thing i can do

i have a old

laptop like really old laptop

that has a i3

my day bought it back in 2010-2014 around that time

*dad

[fierce steppe]

Probably wouldn't be able to complete a work unit before deadline.
There's a time limit from when the work unit is issued before it times out. Using slow, old hardware it simply won't finish in time

[fierce bear]

ok

so the computer?

its not that the cpu is slow

its just the hdd

slows it a lot down

its starting up

give me a few minutes

its a i5-2400

it has 4cores

and has 6gb ram

not many people use it just my sisters for youtube

that shouldnt be affected right?

ok ill let you know if it goes well

should i fold anonmously or with a indentity?

[humble rover]

With an identity if you want a record of your points

[fierce bear]

ok

[humble rover]

@fierce bear Just a word of note, old cpus don't perform favourably in FAH so if you are looking to contribute long-term without any GPU hardware BOINC may be a better option to look at

But that is for you to decide ofc

The latter is more flexible with deadlines

[fierce bear]

ok

i have one q

actually this is the wrong place to ask

does

fah only work with chrome or edge too?

[humble rover]

Should work with most browsers as the web interface is just a small portion of the program

[fierce bear]

yeah but it keeps opening in chrome for some reason

ah

nvm

the default was set to chrome

ehm should i join a team?

oh wait

the can i just join the LTT team?

ok im joining

since i can i guess

thanks for all your help 😄

one q

sorry for annyoing you all but

does fah use storage?

[humble rover]

A small portion to store working projects

[fierce bear]

because i see my drive usage spiking sometimes

ah k

i have a hdd

any problenm?

[humble rover]

Speed of storage won't impact performance in a noticeable way

[wild socket]

Hey:) I just joined Folding @ Home. It wants me to join a team, will FAH benefit from me joining a team?

[fierce bear]

idk

but i ksut joined the LTT team

so

[proper fractal]

You don't benefit per se, but it doesn't hurt

Join 223518

[wild socket]

Yeah that was my understaning aswell. I dont care too much if I benefit from it, but if F@H benefits from it then I would have little to loose and just join a team.

Is it complicated to join the Linus team? I'm a big fan of the channel, and regardless if F@H or I benefit from a team, it would be nice to join. Thanks for engaging:) happy new year btw, let 2021 be a little more hopefull then scary 2020 - my first new years eve sober in isolation...:)

[rich depot]

All you do to join a team is type the team number 223518 into the folding client and youre done @wild socket

[wild socket]

Cool, thanks:)

Amazing idea and impletation, good to see some ppl still wants the world to be a better place!:)

[final knoll]

hi, what is folding and boinc?

[wild socket]

Folding @ Home is a network shared computing power shared to solve complex simulations to find cures for cancer, covid and other. You can share your computing power in a pool with 1000 others either while working on your pc or when idle, for example while sleeping. Power increase in very minor, and your pc among 1000's other could help find cures for such diseases:)

I'm not sure, but Boinc I think stands for Bitcoin and Bitcoin based cryptocurrency - but not sure, new to this discord channel, others members I am sure can answer you better:)

[fierce steppe]

Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing
Nothing to do with Bitcoin

[final knoll]

oh ok

[rich depot]

Happy new year guys and gurls of LTT Folding team, you all are awesome!

[humble rover]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-nye-party-horn-confetti-sarcastic-like-child-gif-5499505

[proper fractal]

You too speccy weccy 😘

[stark bough]

2021 NYE

[fierce bear]

what a enthusiastic guy 😐

[humble rover]

@fierce bear bill nye is science and partying at the same time

Literally NYE in his name lol

[fierce bear]

so what experiment could he be doing?

[humble rover]

He's celebrating volumetric expansion

[umbral panther]

im sad

[keen field]

I am so dumb.

I always thought this channel was "folding and bionic"

BOINC

I am such a dumbass

BOINC website do be down though 🙂

I was going to do BOINC stuff but... their website is down and I can't find resources anywhere else.

[keen field]

Just started using BOINC, pretty pog

[humble rover]

Yes it is

[proper fractal]

[keen field]

Honestly

Do you guys think it would be worth it to just buy up or find some old PCs, refurbish them, and use them for BOINC stuff?

I don't have a threadripper system so I can't do anything huge but

I don't always wanna be using my main rig here 😛

I have some laptops and an old phone, and I saw that some of the projects support Android.

I know someone with like 15 HP EliteBooks from like 2005 😛

2010 era

[humble rover]

Cost-wise it's always better to use efficient hardware which implies newer, ethically if you can refurbish old hardware that would be ideal less it get sent to e-waste and you can eat the cost

[keen field]

Yeah

[humble rover]

Depends on what your goal is wrt contributing

[keen field]

I want my job to be working with Computers and the idea of working with old tech is so intriguing

Right now my only project is BOINC@TACC

And I might as well put to use my computing power since I leave my PC running inadvertently all the time anyway

🙂

[humble rover]

Theres a bunch of good projects that still have work, WorldCommunityGrid and Rosetta are both contributing to pandemic research though the latter is more taxing on hardware

For a rough idea of what hardware returns to expect:

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/cpu_list.php

It wont apply linearly to all projects but its a good starting point

Also if you plan on sticking with it into the spring, LTT team has a boinc event coming up

[keen field]

a family member

[keen field]

Oh I'll keep an eye out!

There is a gap between the 7700k and 9900k

oh my CPU is higher up

I have a 9600k so yeah 🙂

And my mom is planning on upgrading her laptop soon which has an i5-7200U

I also have an HP notebook with an AMD 9000e and a Lenovo with some unknown AMD processor. Unfortunately both of those Lenovo laptops have disk issues, and the HP has only 32GB. And that is of eMMC storage.

[keen field]

Is it okay to end the BOINC task and restart it? It's acting up and I can't open the manager. It just randomly closed.

ah it works after I did that

[tender maple]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but is folding possible on a cluster server?

[stark bough]

Theres always some $200 dell prebuilt with an empty pcie slot waiting for a card.

[rich depot]

DeepCool CF120 PLUS vs Cooler Master MasterFan MF120 Halo

[rich depot]

FOLDATRON is back in the action!

[humble rover]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-phoebe-rachel-excited-yay-gif-15414620

[rich depot]

Time to fix this 😎

[keen field]

Now THAT'S what I like to see.

Also nice memory usage 🙂

[fierce bear]

hi

so i was talking about using a laptop for folding at home but was talked out of it....

howvere after setting it up on a computer with a intel i5-2400 which has 4 cores, 4 threads and a base of 3.10GHz

i am starting to see why amd porcessors are useful for this

so i was wondering

can i log inot the same account and do the same project as my older computer

and set the power load to meduim or low

as i really do want to help

but i use my laptop for evrything

as im just a student

and then family desktop is the old computer im talking about

so will that work?

[humble rover]

Different hardware slots will always get different projects, however you can contribute to the same account via several PCs

[fierce bear]

yes that is what im planning to do

but will the laptop work?

as this is supposed to get me through my leaving cert and Uni

[humble rover]

It will work just be mindful of your thermals and battery management

[fierce bear]

yes so lets say

ill set it to meduim

and only to work at idle?

good?

[humble rover]

Yep

[fierce bear]

ok

[humble rover]

Also keep in mind that WUs have a set return-by date so dont let them idle too long

[fierce bear]

yeah okay

say

i want ot youtube something while this is on high

that will be fine rite?

[humble rover]

yes

[fierce bear]

great thank you, really appreciate it 😄

[keen field]

How am I supposed to allocate more disk space to a project if there's no preferences or management page?

I'm new to BOINC so sorry if I sound stupid.

[humble rover]

BOINC Manager > Options > Computing Preferences > Disk and Memory

[keen field]

Oh yeah

I forgot local settings

thanks

Uhm

I have 10 Gigabytes allocated.

It has more than enough?

And local preferences overrides web-set preferrences?

I am confused

Okay

I let it override web prefferences

I have spelled preferences three different ways, I need to choose one.

[humble rover]

@keen field The Disk tab in Manager will show you how much of each is currently being allocated to projects, and you can adjust your preferences from there. Local priority overrides web unless local is default

[keen field]

Uh

there is no disk tab?

[keen field]

that's it

[humble rover]

The main Manager window, not in the Options menu

[keen field]

uhm

There is no disk tab

[humble rover]

Wdym when you open manager from the taskbar, it should show you a list of tabs no?

[keen field]

am I supposed to be on advanced view?

no?

[humble rover]

Yes advanced view

[keen field]

I see a disk tab under advanced view

[humble rover]

Yes that tab

[keen field]

The one bugging me about disk space is World Community Grid

[humble rover]

Whys that?

[keen field]

It says it needs 95mb

and that I have 0mb left?

so how am I supposed to uh... fix that?

[humble rover]

Change it in your computing preferences, sometimes projects will use more storage othertimes less

[keen field]

oh it also changes that

view

[humble rover]

You can also change how many days of work it stores to lessen your disk load

[keen field]

pog

thanks

Also

I've been with Citizen Science Grid for a day and I've gotten no tasks whatsoever

[humble rover]

Some projects will distribute projects in higher proportions depending on your storage allocation

If you subscribe to multiple projects, its not guaranteed you'll be assigned work for any specific project

[keen field]

hmm

makes sense

Also, would it be worth it to buy up some refurbished cheap Dell OptiPlex systems to run BOINC 24/7 instead of on my main system?

[humble rover]

You can adjust your preferred distribution in the web preferences but BOINC sees this as a long-term average and your immediate distribution may not reflect the changes

Depending on what CPUs they come with and whether you can make do with the cost of running it, sure

[keen field]

Like an i5-3470 and Core 2 Duos were the ones I saw most

I love tinkering

lol

[humble rover]

Ya last I checked dell is moving a lot of refurb haswell era stuff

[keen field]

pog

[humble rover]

They're decent if you can find an affordable price but if you're due an upgrade for your main rig I'd look at that first

[keen field]

So getting like 3 OptiPlex systems with 3470s and such would be good?|

Oh yeah I'm not using that for my main rig

I have an i5-9600k

[humble rover]

I dunno if I'd expand that quickly but its up to you at the end of the day

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/cpu_list.php

[keen field]

My GPU is due for an upgrade since I'm using a GTX 960 G1 Gaming 2GB I got for free a year back.

oh yeah that list too

[humble rover]

It's a little more useful than the LAR beta but it may be slightly out of date given the data, still a good tool to xref if you need it

[keen field]

yes

well thanks, I'll come back if I have questions

and actually, I already have a new one

I've seen some projects that support Android, could I use my old J3 for that stuff? I'd mainly avoid using laptops and phones since I'd have to continually check battery level and whatnot

[humble rover]

Just a tip for cpu utilization: keep it at or below 95% cpu time, seems to yield better points (and keeping it from being pinned on turbo sometimes helps too)

Be it thermal or energy management and whatnot

Not too familiar with the android side of boinc but Ive definitely seen people dedicate their older hardware to it

Whether the projects will continue to have work is a different story though

[keen field]

Oh yeah, I have it at 60

[keen field]

Oof. I just love the idea of using old stuff instead of tossing it, if it is at all usable.

Well thanks for the help!

[sweet vault]

What's boinc?

[humble rover]

@sweet vault

The Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC) is an open source middleware system for volunteer- and grid computing. Originally it was developed to be the SETI@home project re-done, re-thought into a generic framework that could have many uses, before it became useful as a platform for other distributed applications in areas as diverse as mathematics, medicine, molecular biology, climatology, and astrophysics. The intent of BOINC is to make it possible for researchers to tap into the enormous processing power of personal computers around the world.

[sweet vault]

Thanks

[humble rover]

wao navi21 almost broke 5m ppd

https://folding.lar.systems/projects/folding_profile/17320

[stark bough]

Id be happy to get some cheap i7 haswells for Nas builda

[fierce bear]

how is the 3090 on top when no one can get them?

[humble rover]

Well some people clearly did

[fierce bear]

yeah but how many?

[humble rover]

Yes

[fierce bear]

like i was expecting AMD GPUs to be on top

because even though they have shortages

they had more units ready

[fierce bear]

So started folding on laptop

and no wondering

*now

should my GPU usage be at 0%

[humble rover]

@fierce bear Task manager doesn't correctly report gpu usage, and depending on your mobile gpu it might not get work at all

[odd ridge]

Which gen is that ?

[proper fractal]

4th I think

[jovial turret]

haswell is 4th gen

meanwhile I have one in use for gaming

[fickle needle]

imagine, scoring a 3090 ahead of all your gamer bretheren, and then folding on it

[humble rover]

imagine getting bumped up the list because you're a streamer and then all you play is DX9 games

Granted the guy I know paid for it legit

[proper fractal]

like a good guy :D

[fierce bear]

it was working but like not really

it was at 10-20% usage at most at bets times

so i just disabled it

also i was wondering

what exaclty is folding doing

like are we crunching huge numbers

or running tests

like what exaclty is my cpu doing?

[humble rover]

Everything related to computing is a calculation of some sort

In this case the calculations are to simulate protein folding

[fierce bear]

so bascially we are doing image processing?

like we are creating an image and then running it over and over?

[humble rover]

Not an image, but a recursive set of 3d models

https://youtu.be/ieF7ER1wvT0

Stuff like this

[fierce bear]

oh so blender kinda stuff?

oh is that why a gpu is recommended

?

[humble rover]

There are work loads for CPU and GPU respectively

Both involve mathematical calculations to some degree

[fierce bear]

lets say

person 1 has a ryzen 9 5950x and a GTX 660

and person 2 has a ryzen 5 500 series(forgot its name) and a 3090

who will burn thourgh the most projects?

like is F@H more dependant on GPU or CPU

[humble rover]

Person 1 will net more WUs completed but person 2 will net higher points recorded due to the nature of QRB

[fierce bear]

so which is more benifical to the casue?

[humble rover]

GPU projects have more atoms but CPU projects are more complex in some ways

They are both beneficial

[fierce bear]

ah

so bascially

the 3d stuff and big blender like things go to GPU and mor eprecise calcualtions and simulations results go to CPU?

can that be true?

[humble rover]

Something like that

[fierce bear]

ok

thanks just curious what exaclty my cpu was doing

[humble rover]

It's more complexity in general than it is precision

[fierce bear]

ah k

cause cpu was designed more maths and gpu for graphics

[humble rover]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/77074/that-78-geforce-rtx-3080-mining-rig-has-rgb-now-makes-900-per-day/index.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3Zg7gcJBtRtjSdb8cINpCkia4HYiB99HFyTjfIJmLkik1gSkiczEVQxpk

[odd ridge]

me using a 2nd gen i5 for gaming

[tender maple]

But can it pay for itself within a reasonable time?

[odd ridge]

8 months i think on last news

[jovial turret]

f

[odd ridge]

I was sold the laptop when I was younger for 220$, no discrete graphics, a shit build quality

i5, 120gb hard drive (sata II), 8gb of ddr3-666 (i think)

[fluid stump]

well intel offers 4gb vram in 620HD but why cant it handle games

Just because of it I am buying a PC

[haughty rover]

vram isn't everything

also intel doesn't offer any vram with the igpu, it uses system ram as vram

you can change the amount in the bios

[vital kettle]

Wtf? So that's where all the 3080s went!

[vital kettle]

Can that also be done on laptops?

[spring jewel]

Not the person you asked this question but yeah you should be able to change the amount of VRAM for an iGPU in the bios of a laptop

[vital kettle]

Just checked my laptop's BIOS and... It seems like I can't access the VRAM.

[spring jewel]

There should be a way, just look it up online "how to change amount of vram insert laptop model here" Also this is more of a #tech-support thing so asking there might lead to more helpful responses

[dense escarp]

there usually isn't a way actually, most laptop bioses are too locked

regardless, it's useless to change vram since it's allocated dynamically

the one possible use case i can think of is changing DVMT (minimum vram) for macOS compatibility but you can use deviceproperties to extend that without BIOS settings

[rich depot]

Good morning TeamLTT, hope you have a good day. May you're PPD be high, and temps be low

[stark bough]

Screw the temps what about my power Bill

[tame canopy]

My power bill was insane in August

[stark bough]

Same. But it was offset by crazy airflow and putting my PC in a living room that needed heating anyway

[opaque remnant]

I know what folding at home it but whats boinc?

[lime marten]

Pretty much the same concept of distributed computing with some slight differences

[stark bough]

I wonder if the strix will hold up better to 24/7 folding better than the TUF 3080.
inb4 stock issues.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-3080-tuf-gaming-oc/

I'm comparing everything to the TUF, but from what i can tell the Strix has longer lasting fans and can better handle a sustained load

[fierce bear]

can i ask

what do we get from doing this?

like me running my computer 24/7 costs money

so what do i get from this

[humble rover]

@fierce bear
FAH provides fundamental research
https://foldingathome.org/papers-results/

BOINC provides research, and some projects are closer to tangible results
https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewNewsArticle.do?articleId=674

[fierce bear]

ok thanks

[stark bough]

Also internet points

[humble rover]

Ya get yourself some swick badges

https://linustechtips.com/uploads/monthly_2016_07/578bedcab6a9f_fl_platinum1-F6.71.png.8e50253efc31db2667442f8a9c2444f4.png

[fickle needle]

I mean, it's a graphics card

so let me ask

TF2

running my computer 24/7 costs money

so what do I get from this

[humble rover]

At the end of the day you are donating resources without expectation of receiving anything in return, at least not at the individual level

[fickle needle]

the badges are cool, you get to help cure Covid

and I spacialize in using gear so old it has no other use

[fickle needle]

yay for hydro

though, cooling is funny

like my whole setup uses less power than an RTX 3080, so cooling it is dummy easy

[keen field]

lol

[keen field]

Just a quick question: Since I am already upgrading my GPU, would upgrading it provide any noticeable benefit for GPU-bound projects in BOINC and FAH? I am going from a GTX 960 G1 Gaming 2GB to an RTX 3060.

My wording might be a bit weird so if you don't get the question just ping me.

[tardy swan]

i believe you are asking about the RTX 3060Ti

https://versus.com/en/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960-vs-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-ti

[keen field]

Nope

I am waiting for a non-Ti

[tardy swan]

it has over 5 times the computational power

[keen field]

But the 3060 Ti is close enough so

[keen field]

Holy shit

Pardon my cursing

My GTX 960 runs at a 1700MHz memory clock...

But it also runs at a 300MHz higher boost clock than most GTX 960s

My specific model should get 7012 MHz memory clock

[hushed bobcat]

Memory doesn't matter much in Folding

More of a mining thing

And that 300 MHz boost to your gpu clock maybe gets you 3-5% in folding performance in my opinion

[fickle needle]

The big problem with the new 3060 will be the jump in TDP, you'll need to watch your psu and cooling

also you have to temper your expectations, it will fold faster, but you're not gonna wake up a gold folding badge the next day

[nimble laurel]

Is the LTT folding server still running?

[humble rover]

@nimble laurel It does not appear so

[nimble laurel]

RIP

[fickle needle]

kinda peeved there hasn't been a video about it TBH

seems like LTT has divested themselves from hosting anything public facing, probably a security thing

[fickle needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpn30v5Y_YQ
caught my eye, the project behind it looks fun

[fickle needle]

got it running

only problem is it runs at default prio by default, so it's worth learning how to nice it by hand

[keen field]

What are the benefits of joining a folding team?

[humble rover]

@keen field Nothing other than contributing to the team's total

In our case, that is what defines what badge you get

[keen field]

ooh okay

Should I join the LTT team?

I guess the answer is it's up to me...

I want to be there for the events though, so I am probably going to join.

[proper fractal]

If you want to participate in events, join the forum

[humble rover]

It is up to you, but it is a condition that you join the team to be eligible for the events anyways

[keen field]

ah okay

Thanks guys!

[keen field]

Since I am upgrading anyway, preferrably in the near future, would it be beneficial to my PPD and how many tasks I get done if I were to upgrade my GPU? I get about 81,000 PPD when I have it on the "Full" preset in the FAHClient. I currently have a GTX 960 with 2GB of VRAM. I am planning to upgrade to an RTX 3060 (Non-Ti). How would that potentially affect PPD?

(Sorry if I sound dumb, I am relatively new to this stuff when it comes to folding and BOINC)

[humble rover]

@keen field You can go to the LAR database to see what kinds of ppd different cards will get. Any newer arch will naturally yield more points

[stark bough]

Most effective folding is done GPU

LAR is your best benchmark

[humble rover]

Also last I checked, GPU folding is disabled if not on full preset

[keen field]

Ah alright.

[keen field]

Medium and Full

I almost typed median 🤣 that's sad

anyway though

Hopefully I can find a way to put this GTX 960 to good use for the rest of its days, somehow.

[humble rover]

Ah so it does work on med

[keen field]

Yes

And even on medium it still lags out my game cuz I only have 2 gigs of VRAM 😎

[hushed bobcat]

@keen field https://folding.lar.systems/gpu_ppd/overall_ranks

looks like the 3060 Ti is good for around 2.8 Million PPD

your 960 is around 300k to 600k PPD

[keen field]

3060 would be different though, since it has many less CUDA cores.

Also I barely get 81k PPD even on "full preset" with passkey.

[hushed bobcat]

81k is really low

i can get 180k out of a 660 Ti

any chance you're looking at CPU PPD?

[keen field]

Well, I have it on the "high preset" meaning about all CPU cores (6) and about 30% GPU utilization. Is that maybe why it's so low?

@hushed bobcat

Let me check real quick, actually.

[hushed bobcat]

you need to change the graph type if you're using Windows Task manager to see GPU utilization

[keen field]

huh

wait wait, what?

[fickle needle]

yep, because Folding performance is based on Compute and maybe copy, not 3d

[hushed bobcat]

oohh interesting

[keen field]

Then why is 3D utilization at 30%?

When no other apps are running using the GPU?

[hushed bobcat]

folding is using some of the 3d resources

[keen field]

Wait a second, nevermind about that last one

[hushed bobcat]

not all

[keen field]

😛 Only like 4% 3D

[hushed bobcat]

you're getting 3291 out oof your CPU?

[keen field]

I am still a bit confused as to why I have such a low PPD

3291 what?

[hushed bobcat]

i have 6 year old laptop cpu's that do 15k

[keen field]

Oh lol

I didn't realize that both CPU and GPU showed PPD individually

[hushed bobcat]

you probably arent gettiing your QRB (quick return bonus)

[keen field]

Then how is it such a low PPD even though it's going full on all cores?

[keen field]

Oh, what could cause that?

[hushed bobcat]

i also notice you arent on a team

[keen field]

That's 3k PPD?

[hushed bobcat]

is your personal info filled out right?

[keen field]

Yup... Passkey too

[hushed bobcat]

wait your on a 9600k?

[keen field]

Yup

[hushed bobcat]

i have a i5 2500k that does around 25k PPD

[keen field]

...

[hushed bobcat]

your passkey is wrong or your username is entered wrong

[keen field]

How can something be entered wrong..?

I created this account and have been logged in since, about 9 days ago

I'm sort of new to this, sorry lol

I started BOINC earlier

[hushed bobcat]

well you do have to complete a certain amount of work to get the QRB

[keen field]

(And by the way, BOINC is not running 😛 )

Well it is right now but I get the same PPD on FAH whether I have BOINC tasks running or not

[hushed bobcat]

when you singed up for the passkey did you enter the same username?

[keen field]

Yes.

[fickle needle]

I got Cooking at Home working, it's a lot of fun

[keen field]

hah

[hushed bobcat]

can you link your profile?

[keen field]

Yeah hold on

https://stats.foldingathome.org/donor/LittleTechyyy

61 WUs

I will say that my CPU chugs through tasks slow as fuck.

[hushed bobcat]

yea you should have the QRB

[keen field]

(sorry for cursing lol)

[hushed bobcat]

wait you said its using all 6 cores?

[keen field]

and my PPD actually dropped since I stopped running BOINC

Yes, all 6 cores at 100% (4.29GHz)

[hushed bobcat]

its actually set to 3

according to your earlier picture

[keen field]

Set to 3, all 6 cores are chugging

[fickle needle]

I mean, people will debate CPU vs GPU tasks, but from a science standpoint your besst benefit from F@H will be making sure your GPU is running well, CPU is almost secondary

[keen field]

C[I isa

oop... I mean CPU usage did drop a bit but it's still high across all cores

[hushed bobcat]

ive noticed mine goes a bit over too

[keen field]

And as you saw with the earlier image, all 6 cores had been at 100% for a while

[keen field]

A bit over the core limit?

that is such a stupid question lmao

[hushed bobcat]

as in

i have a 8700k, thats 6 cores 12 threads

if i set FAH to 6 it will use about 70% of the CPU

[keen field]

So... any idea as to why this is happening, though?

[hushed bobcat]

even though it should be 50

[keen field]

Oh

But why are all 6 cores still at full utilization?

[hushed bobcat]

I downloaded a program to force Folding to use the cores i WANT it to use

keep in mind your GPU will use 1-2 threads

[keen field]

Hmpf... okay

[hushed bobcat]

your CPU has to keep your GPU fed with data

[keen field]

I'll be on my phone, and not for that long since I really should try to get to sleep soon.

[hushed bobcat]

could you send a screenshot of your Identity page in the advanced client?

[keen field]

Uhhh

I left my PC lol

[hushed bobcat]

ahh

ill give you an example here

one of my clients

the CPU is an i7-4790k running on 4 threads

as you can see its pulling 30k

though keep in mind that will vary ALOT between WU's

i have see some WU's absolutely tank

not sure why

hmm this is interesting, I just noticed their is a new version of the client out

all my machines are running 7.6.13, while the new version is 7.6.21

ohh wow i said new, but that update was November 24th, 2020 lol

[forest sapphire]

Anybody know what would be causing this error: 04:57:55:WARNING:WU00:FS01:Exception: Failed to send results to work server: 10002: Received short response, expected 512 bytes, got 0

I have quite a few finished jobs, 4 of them, and they aren't being uploaded

[hushed bobcat]

4 is a bit unusual

ive had 1 or 2 stick for a few days

maybe a week, but never 4

[forest sapphire]

Yeah its only been like a day or so

[hushed bobcat]

i think i'd just wait it out

maybe double check and make sure its not being blocked by a firewall or router

[forest sapphire]

That is what I plan on doing. Just didn't know if I should be worried or not

yeah I will look at my fortigate to see if it is blocking them. But I doubt it as other ones are being sent with no issues

[hushed bobcat]

a WU getting "stuck" isnt all that unusual, but 4 at the same time is definitely odd

[rancid frost]

My friends, I finally have a new job.

So I can afford to pay for extra power bills.

[forest sapphire]

@hushed bobcat yeah it appears Kaspersky was the culprit on this one. It was also causing issues viewing my firewall logs on my fortianalyzer. disabled a feature on the antivirus and we were good to go. 2 of them just instantly uploaded

[hushed bobcat]

nice

[forest sapphire]

Yeah I thought it was really weird that it wasn't uploading. When I looked at the analyzer, or attempted to it wasn't loading the page correctly. And the only thing new was the antivirus software.

[hushed bobcat]

hmm, 3 of my 5 clients updated with no issues

1 client im waiting for it to finish its current WU before i update

and this one seems to have frozen....

ill let it run for a few hours, see if anything changes

i should note that this client is my "main", as in it connects to and controls all my other clients

[fickle needle]

man, not sure what you hope to gain with a 7.6.21 update, but good luck

[hushed bobcat]

i like to keep my programs up to date

ahh i see what happend now

i left the web client open

didnt like that very much

[keen field]

So, how do I allow FAH to use more cores?

[humble rover]

You can set the number of cpu cores the slot uses when you first add it to the client

[forest sapphire]

anybody here use kaspersky while running FAH?

[fickle needle]

Linux folding is best folding XD

[keen field]

from

oops

[keen field]

So... can I change it at all?

Oh I found where to configure it

[keen field]

When I change the amount of CPU threads it can use (and even after saving it and everything) my PPD is the exact same @hushed bobcat @humble rover

69600 on "Full" preset with 3 CPU threads allowed, and pretty much the exact same give or take 100 with 5

3730 PPD when I click on "CPU:3"

three thousand

And it's basically the exact same with 5 threads allocated

as I said earlier...

[humble rover]

@keen field Not all WUs will utilize all the cores you set, some projects are happier with certain numbers of cores. Depends on the WU and how long your snapshot for data is

[keen field]

Yeah but... this is basically the same PPD I get every project

I'm new to this still so sorry if my terminology is a bit off

[humble rover]

Set it to an even number of threads, I find that scales better in most cases

[keen field]

every task or whatever, basically the same

[humble rover]

What WU is it

[keen field]

wdym

[humble rover]

Project ID for the WU

[humble rover]

What cpu?

[keen field]

i5-9600k

Oh it doesn't say that on the client lmao

PPD is up to 9k

On the CPU WU

Also where's that list of how many teraflops each CPU gets?

[humble rover]

WU doesnt stabilize early on so its best not to base judgement that early, but there also isnt an entry for the 9600k in the LAR system for this set of projects yet

[keen field]

I saw a list of CPUs and it was on there...

That might be on BOINC's website or smth

It was pretty high up there, though

[humble rover]

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/cpu_list.php
https://folding.lar.systems/cpu_ppd/overall_ranks

[keen field]

And no, I don't have BOINC projects running

[humble rover]

Running windows takes at least a core as well

[keen field]

er

gflops, not teraflops

[keen field]

I know this is out of the blue and presumptuous, so sorry for that, but I've had to specify that in the past, just to show that nothing else should be impacting the performance.

That is a run-on sentence if I've ever seen one 😛

PPD is nearing 13k

setting it to an even number might have done the trick... it's still a bit low, though.

[humble rover]

Since there is no data to pull from I can only extrapolate, but given 16927 is in a similar series to 16925 which the 9600kf is scored at 4k/LP, then a 9600k would be hitting near there depending on clocks and what the atom optimizations between 16925/16927 amount to

So I'd say low-mid teens on your cpu for this project would be nominal

[keen field]

Hm okay

Thanks

[forest sapphire]

anybody running kaspersky while doing FAH?

I am trying to figure out what feature is blocking the upload of the WU's. Does anybody know where the WU's are stored before uploading>?

[hushed bobcat]

@forest sapphire C:\Users\ your username \AppData\Roaming\FAHClient\work

[forest sapphire]

@hushed bobcat thanks!

[hushed bobcat]

np

i've had quite a few WU error out and had to delete them

on Linux too

[uneven gazelle]

hello

[fickle needle]

interesting, getting a heap of 'FahCore returned: BAD_WORK_UNIT (114 = 0x72)'

anyone ran into this before?

[humble rover]

Could just be a bad checkpoint, happens to everyone

If it happens frequently then you should be worried

[fickle needle]

I think I got it figured out, I have two pretty similar looking stations, and the error happened on one, and then the other

so it seems to be a transient in time

not the same GPU erroring out two days in a row

[fickle needle]

I watch my folding cards like a hawk, waiting for one to die so I can make an art piece out of it

[keen field]

Lol

[toxic wing]

i have good computer but can anyone help me set this thing up i would like to help

[humble rover]

@toxic wing Are you looking for FAH or BOINC?

[toxic wing]

i have no idea i think folding at home

[humble rover]

@toxic wing

https://linustechtips.com/topic/876-foldinghome-install-guide-and-links-linustechtips_team-223518/

[toxic wing]

ok ill check it out thanks

do we have a team number @humble rover ?

[humble rover]

@toxic wing 223518