folding-and-boinc

[shell rock]

Gotcha ty

[frosty osprey]

Finally figured out a fix

So we back to folding 🥳

[tulip osprey]

I wonder if I could get a 2080Ti in time to get into the top 10...

[tulip osprey]

I ordered a 2080 Super 😄
Got it for $250. I couldn't justify the additional $70 for a 2080Ti

[hushed bobcat]

i dont mean to question your purchase decision, but IMO you could have gotten an RTX 4060 for $300

according to the LAR systems database the 2080 is 3-3.1mil PPD while the 4060 is 3.9-4mil PPD

though surpirsingly the TDP is similar for both cards....

215w for the 2080 and 200w for the 4060

[tulip osprey]

I had this weird additional need... I want a GPU with a USB-C port for DP over USB

so that limited me to 20 series

otherwise, yes, the 4060 would have made way more sense

[hushed bobcat]

ahh interesting

[low grove]

bigger number better tho

[hushed bobcat]

unfortunate

it seems my ubuntu FAH client stopped working sometime yesterday

WU on both GPUs broke

with one at 99.99%

[hushed bobcat]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kgZFqkSHRV1TtBO6cb7yAfwnM8uUZIir0kMYfJCv7Tc/edit?pli=1#gid=1121529404

[simple tundra]

I apologize for not being able to participate 😔. My pc's unavailable for the time being, and I forgot to sign up for the event anyway... :(

[frosty osprey]

What’s the PPD on the 7900 XTX?

[hushed bobcat]

https://folding.lar.systems/gpu_ppd/brands/amd/folding_profile/navi_31_radeon_rx_7900xtxtx

man i knew AMD was behind nvidia when it comes to folding, but thats pitiful

[frosty osprey]

Oof

I just traded my 4080 for an XTX

My 4080 got like 18 million

[hushed bobcat]

its 1/4 of what my 4080 is putting out right now

[frosty osprey]

Uses more power too

[hushed bobcat]

yea im sitting at 18.3mil

290w

[rich depot]

That's because we have CUDA support for folding but not ROCm support

[frosty osprey]

Unfortunate I needed a XTX to use Wayland otherwise I’d not have changed.

[rich depot]

Nvidia did the work, AMD did not

I'm not bashing it, AMD cards have amazing price/performance for gaming and such, they just lag behind in compute support

[frosty osprey]

Yeah nvidia is productivity king for a while now

Hopefully AMD gets competitive for that in the future

[rich depot]

They just need to properly put in the effort for ROCm to be mainstream

People don't understand the amount of time and money Nvidia hasn't thrown at CUDA over the last decade or so

[hushed bobcat]

i decided to throw a WU at the iGPU on my 7950x just for fun

pretty sure my i5-2500k puts out those kind of numbers

[hushed bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/both-agree-yes-good-gif-4591420

[low grove]

my pc keeps shutting off at night while folding so im not getting the ppd i should be getting but im trying lol

[glad locust]

how's folding on a 7600

also will battlemage come with actual fp64 cores? would be nice to actually fold on intel arc

[hushed bobcat]

https://folding.lar.systems/gpu_ppd/brands/amd/folding_profile/navi_33_radeon_rx_7700s7600s

[glad locust]

arent those mobile cards

[hushed bobcat]

i searched the database for 7600 and thats all that came up

[glad locust]

yeah its not on lar systems i think, thats why i asked

[low grove]

is spec doing blogs for this event or are we just doing rankings?

[rich depot]

No blogs

[low grove]

dang, happy birthday tho

[rich depot]

I was originally planning to do blogs, but after a mix up of my meds (before yesterday i was without meds since Dec 23rd) I haven't felt up to it, hence why @reef oak did so much during this event

[low grove]

fair enough, without my meds its just immediate migraines

u come first

[tulip osprey]

I've crossed over into the top 5000 folders! 😄

and in the 700s in the LTT team

I've got my eye on that top 1000 now

[rich depot]

Let's go

I'm not doing so bad myself

[pseudo abyss]

You have more points the last 7 days than I have in total

[hushed bobcat]

nice

[tulip osprey]

Oo... where do I find that report?

[rich depot]

https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?u=732712

[tulip osprey]

wow... I've only been folding for 36 days 😮

[rich depot]

That's my profile, you have to search your own folding name

[tulip osprey]

I did 😉

[rich depot]

That's fair

[tulip osprey]

I have a threat!!

I'll have to ice that mofo 😉

[fervent saddle]

why won't my rx6800 fold? it just says folding slot failed or starts and stops randomly.

[rich depot]

The OC or UV is too far (Even a factory OC can be too high for folding)

[fervent saddle]

dang

so back to default we go?

set the tune back to default in the driver and it keeps doing the thing, what now

[fervent saddle]

yeah that didn't really work

[pseudo abyss]

So I won a LTT store discount code? 🙂

Nice

[hushed bobcat]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kgZFqkSHRV1TtBO6cb7yAfwnM8uUZIir0kMYfJCv7Tc/edit?pli=1#gid=821727624

[tulip osprey]

@rich depot thank you so much for doing this! It was really fun and I can't believe I won a prize 😮

Lucky #13

[rich depot]

I'll DM you on the forum this evening with your prize

But really @reef oak was the man of the hour for this event

[pseudo abyss]

Thanks to both of you!

[rich depot]

He stepped in when my health made it basically impossible for me to run the event, massive respect to him

[pseudo abyss]

You not being faster or slower with doing the winners sorts of fits because its my bday 🙂

(the results was published today my time)

[tulip osprey]

props to @reef oak ❤️

Even if the results were days later, it would have been okay ❤️

Patience is a virtue, as they say

I'm a little bummed that my 2080 Super didn't come till the day the event ended. It added another 5 million points to my 24hr average

but then I might have been 12th place and slipped out of lucky #13 😄

[tulip osprey]

I just noticed this... Does anyone know why my project rank is so weird?

Extreme overclocking also has a very different project rank

[simple tundra]

Even though I couldn't participate in this event, @rich depot @reef oak thank you for running the show.

[reef oak]

HMMM bugs what bugs....

[reef oak]

no problem

[tulip osprey]

lol... I thought maybe it's because some stats are all-time and some are monthly/yearly or something?

[tulip osprey]

So I was curious about where my rank would settle in after I've climbed through the ranks to where my daily average would settle me. Looks like 20-21 million points per day will sit me at 165 overall give or take a bit...

That gives me a good goal.

Part 1, get into top 1000
Part 2, get to that "natural" rank of 165 or so
Part 3, upgrade hardware to get into the top 100

[rich depot]

Because you have points for other teams, whereas a lot of the people in the list don't.

[tulip osprey]

Ahhhh! That makes sense

Thanks 🙂

[timber swift]

A considerable amount of points for another team, which can usually skew project ranks like that.

For example some of our top rank team members are still triple digit or have a decimal place (damn I used to be top 40)

[tulip osprey]

Yeah, I realized that after what Coldbrew said above

[rich depot]

<@&750150305383186585>

Uhh you alrady got it lol

Thank you whoever got it

[tulip osprey]

One billion club!

[rich depot]

Nice.

Been doing einstein@home using my intel arc a770 GPU and the thing completed over 600 tasks while I slept lol. Idk if those speeds are normal for GPUs or if intel is just insanely good at compute. Either way the same tasks take 3000x longer for a CPU to compute the same work unit

[rich depot]

Unfortunately ARC isn't the best at "real" compute because its high precision math is software emulated and isn't accurate enough. It works for some things but folding for instance you can't run them

That's not too say they don't have their place! Just limits their workloads

[rich depot]

im not interested in assisting in research that will just be sold to phizer so folding isnt something im really interested in lol

calculating for einstein@home however is something im interested in

[rich depot]

Like I said, it limits their workloads, it's not only folding you can't do ..

[rich depot]

yeah only a handful of BOINC projects support intel arc GPUs although im sure that will improve in the long run

One thing I do find rather annoying is how long it takes for work to be confirmed and its mostly because people are calculating Work units on raspberry pi's to mine gridcoin

Unfortunately the hardware is just not as capable, I'm hopeful that they get real high precision compute and are competitive so I can still giving money to Nvidia lmfao

I highly question the accuracy too of work units calculated on a raspberry pi or other cheap devices

Stop giving Nvidia my money*

[rich depot]

Nvidia has gotten way too greedy, same with AMD. If buying an intel arc gpu and dealing with the problems keeps a 3rd competitor going in the GPU industry its worth it.

The GPU duopoly has allowed for Nvidia to have absurd pricing

Unfortunately they don't support folding at all, and that's all I really use GPUs for so I don't really have much choice atm

Recently though Nvidia announced that they are an AI company, This makes me think they will want out of the consumer GPU market and geforce may be gone in a few years

If nvidia can charge 250k for a AI compute solution why would they bother making consumer GPUs

[glad locust]

all research from f@h is eventually open source tho

like, sure, pfizer might use the drug you find, but so can universities and non profits

[rich depot]

this tbh

Even if it's used by profit making entities, the fact that it can be used to better the lives of people with a range of serious conditions should be reason enough to fold imo. Even if that means making someone richer, it still improves lives

[glad locust]

also tbh re: intel

on one hand they’re good for the market but otoh it’s kinda unethical to support them

[rich depot]

I don't "support" any company, I buy what makes the most sense to buy for the money I'm willing to spend. If that is Nvidia, AMD, Intel, or someone else, then they get my money. I would prefer AMD to be more competitive at folding because out of all the companies, they are the "better" option with furthering opensource things, but in reality they are still just another greedy corp that exists simply to make money (Yes I know you mean giving them money is supporting them, I understand what you are saying, I'm just explaining why I have Nvidia cards lmfao)

[pseudo abyss]

I highly doubt they will drop making consumer GPUs ever, it's too much money involved even if it might not be as much as from AI. I think it's more of a marketing focus and it might be little lower priority, but they will def continue to develop and make consumer GPUs.

[rich depot]

This! Why leave billions on the table when you already have to make and design a product that with ease can be made into a gaming GPU

[simple tundra]

So, good news, I finally bought a gpu so I no longer have to depend on a very limited igpu

bad news, it is a cheap 1060 3GB.

Still, I'll be able to survive on it until I can eventually look into that 3080.

I can finally play games at a resolution higher than 720p low settings and use my elgato hd60 s capture card. For about $65 bucks, I'm taking what I can get. Yes, I could've gone amd for a better deal, but I've never used their cards and I don't want to risk having any issues.

[pseudo abyss]

With gaming modern games, the 3gb VRAM is possibly a bigger limitation than the GPU performance itself.

On 1080p

But much better than an iGPU 🙂

[simple tundra]

True

but I'll take what I can get lol

[pseudo abyss]

Very understandable

[umbral thistle]

I mentioned this forever ago, but if someone is going to use it for purely folding I have an epyc 7551 to donate

I just can't afford the power or mobos to do it myself

[rich depot]

Post here, most of the folding team are more active on the forum than over here on discord https://linustechtips.com/topic/902973-folding-community-board/

[umbral thistle]

ty

[rich depot]

Happy to help 🙂 From your friendly folding team leader

[umbral thistle]

I folded for the Slickdeals team way back in like 2013, made a 3x 680 rig that folded towards alzheimers research since my grandfather passed from it - i think folding is a super generous thing to do when you could mine instead

power here is just like, up to 51c/kwh and goes up to 70

so I can't afford to anymore

[rich depot]

Yeah power for me is like 0.42/KWh

[umbral thistle]

I left my pc on during peak pricing once. over 2 dollars per kwh

that hurt me

[rich depot]

Yeah I run 3*4070tis, a 2070 across two systems most of the time

[umbral thistle]

this look okay spectrum? https://linustechtips.com/topic/902973-folding-community-board/?do=findComment&comment=16306963

[rich depot]

That's perfect! Thanks

[umbral thistle]

🙂

[rich depot]

I'm looking to upgrade to a 48 core 7002/7003 gen EPYC soon

[umbral thistle]

I just got lucky, I have like 20 of the 7551s

probably just going to try sell some and get a modern something

[rich depot]

Makes sense

[umbral thistle]

BLT actually honored their $15 price error

[rich depot]

I have a 2996V3 atm

[umbral thistle]

'and ordered them direct from AMD

[rich depot]

Glad they honoured it

[umbral thistle]

I was 99.99% sure they wouldn't or I'd have ordered 1000 and done something ridiculous with all of them

[rich depot]

I wonder if they would have honoured it for 1000 units

[umbral thistle]

have to move to iceland for geothermal power

no clue, i doubt it. had to be a big loss. prices are still low for the 7551s because they actually sold around 1000

[umbral thistle]

@rich depot I guess they don't like Epycs?

[rich depot]

Huh? Let me reach out to someone

[umbral thistle]

no big deal either way, just caught me off guard

[rich depot]

I've messaged one of the mods I'm familiar with, I'm guessing they mistook it for you trying to sell it rather than gift it

[umbral thistle]

I'm used to silly bans. I was banned from hwswap for a long while for explaining paypal goods and services terms and conditions

finally got that fixed

telling people "it protects you from item not received claims as the seller, not from item not as descrbed claims" was apparently "encouraging scamming"

[umbral thistle]

I retract my offer for a free epyc since posting requires me to acknowledge fault and listing my qualifications is not advertising. unless you went digging in my profile you wouldn't even notice i'm a dev. i'll help those who appreciate it. not your fault spectrum, just bad moderation as usual with larger places

if you would use one, offer stands for you tho

[lofty belfry]

idk what I would even do with an eypc if I had one lol

Even with all the shit I have running on it my intel nuc im using as a home server uses it’s only at like 1% cpu

[umbral thistle]

I have 20 I just need mobos and ecc ram

[lofty belfry]

💀💀💀

bro spent his life savings on cpus

[pseudo abyss]

I dont think so based on this

[umbral thistle]

No, but I did lose plenty trying to help people get GPUs.

[simple tundra]

Is this how you fold?

[hushed bobcat]

ohh the pain

[umbral thistle]

I have no idea how this is even possible unless they hit it with a forklikft fork.

[pseudo abyss]

I am guessing done on purpose for internet likes

[terse zephyr]

minor damage

[rich depot]

Tbf the board is probably fine

[rich depot]

I forgot the /s

[uncut lintel]

I had a mobile 1050, but could still play even more demanding games like PUBG at 1080p on low settings at 60fps

desktop versions are much more powerfull + it is a 1060 not 1050

[west kayak]

NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

[simple tundra]

Yeah, it can run most of my games alright.

It just sucks going 60-ish fps on a 180hz display but it's whatever at this point

[rich depot]

GPU temp while folding, so pretty

[royal olive]

NOONONONONONONONONO

[shy venture]

The gpu temperature has folds in it

[leaden monolith]

I agree

[shell rock]

has anyone folded on a Tesla M40

12GB

[humble rover]

Its on the LAR database so somebody has

[tepid swallow]

hello

[rich depot]

This channel is for talking about the BOINC and Folding At Home projects, they are mostly used during events

[tulip osprey]

Top 200!!

[smoky pulsar]

impressive

[rich depot]

On the team? Nice!

[tulip osprey]

yup! on the team 🙂

[rich depot]

Nice!!!

[robust bay]

hu

[cerulean light]

So my 2080ti powers up and works for a couple seconds then does this. I am pretty sure it’s dead and my pc and everything works fine with another gpu. My question is, can this gpu be used a second gpu to do something like folding and bonic? Because it may work but can’t be used to display anything?

[hushed bobcat]

That looks like something important

Perhaps memory has come unsoldered

Or even your vrms are worn out

I would suggest reflowing the board

It depends on what the damage is to determine if you can fold with it

[cerulean light]

I am going to try uninstalling the drivers then reinstall if that doesn’t fix it I will look into seeing what’s damaged

[robust bay]

no

[rigid arch]

that's likely some VRAM banks failing

[cerulean light]

Dang, well I guess new gpu for me

[rigid arch]

so sorry dude, not sure if there's a way to get it fixed easily

[cerulean light]

Well it’s fine I have a old 1660 I can use in the meantime-it’s honestly enough for the games I play

Also fusion 360 is more cpu based anyways

[silent trench]

Boing

[robust bay]

hi

[alpine ruin]

Many early 2000 series cards (manufactured before 2019 esp) had defective memory chips and tend to fail earlier than it otherwise would
I have a 2080 made before 2019 and its just beginning to artifact

[cerulean light]

I think I noticed some artifacts a while back

Maybe like 4 months ago

I don’t remember what is was doing though

[fierce sluice]

don't say that... you're making me worry about my 2080 from 2018

[alpine ruin]

I just switched from windows to linux on my main computer
I'm not seeing artifacting anymore xD

Also not all of them were defective.. but it is a common issue

If your card hasn't died yet its probably not part of the bad batch

[fierce sluice]

that's hopefully. It's an OEM card that originally came out of an HP omen

[rich depot]

Nvidia GTX Fold

[tulip osprey]

made it into the top 2000! Top 1k, here I come 😄

[tulip osprey]

Nice! You're killing it. What are you folding on?

[hushed bobcat]

everything

[rich depot]

I'm having to take a break from folding because it's too damn expensive

[dawn tiger]

Currently folding from 12am to 6am. If I never technically see my PC folding, then surely I can't be charged for it, right?

[rich depot]

Lmfao

[hushed bobcat]

Schrödinger's folding?

[tulip osprey]

I need deets though

I fold on a 4070Ti, A2000, 4060, 2080 Super, 2080, and two 2070Tis. I also fold on my pair of 2696 Xeons and my 12900k

[rich depot]

I'm on 3* 4070ti, 2070, 5950x and 2696v4... When I can afford to fold

[tulip osprey]

I'm thinking of buying a 4070ti super...

[rich depot]

Inno3D let's go

Actually buy two, it's still only 4 slots

[keen field]

I had to stop folding a while ago... electric bills are like >$400 monthly without folding, and turning my PC off every night and 3/4 of the day.

[rich depot]

Yeah it's really not fun

[junior mason]

I'm curious about the mining space to put my computer to work while I'm at work. If amy1 if knowledgeable about this if they could dm me it would be appreciated

[rich depot]

I guess although it isn't specially stated in this channel that this is probably be the best place to ask

What do you wanna know? @junior mason

[hushed bobcat]

Is this about the new BSV mining craze going on? The one where everyone is selling out of Ryzen 7950x and x3d's?

[junior mason]

Was looking to see if it is work doing just looking into it a little bit trying to understand it all. Just built a new computer with a 7800x3d and 4080 just thought if worthwhile I might be able to make some money back while I'm at work letting it go if that's even possible.

I was also told to post here since this was the best tab to put in

[rich depot]

I mean it all depends on how much your power costs... You won't be making hundreds a month, but if you wanted to say make 50 bucks a month's to save up for your next upgrade that's feasible. But it completely depends on power costs

Then you have to ask if the profit you'd get be worth the risk of excessive wear on your components...

Generally speaking, the days of pc hardware paying itself off in reasonable amounts of time are behind us. For a while now the profit was in reselling the hardware at just the right time

[junior mason]

How much wear gets put on the components does doing it stress them to the max while it's taking place

[rich depot]

It depends what you're mining and your hardware profile. Most people have very conservative profiles and that limits the wear to mostly just the fans

(I should mention, I'm the folding team leader, I don't mind myself anymore but I keep close tabs on it)

[junior mason]

My last computer had ddr3 now I'm on ddr5 I didn't upgrade in-between so I missed all of the gpu BS

[rich depot]

So how much is your power?

[junior mason]

12.5 cents per kwh (canadian)

[rich depot]

Canadian, lucky

Theoretically it would profitable, I'd probably say just run nicehash and forget about trying to mine coins directly

[junior mason]

That seemed to be the average it is like a tiered system here

[rich depot]

I pay 0.567CAD/KwH

in the UK

[junior mason]

I see

[rich depot]

Canada has some of the lower power costs in the developed world

[junior mason]

What are some of the known risks then to doing it

It's one of our few better infrastructure items

We have a dogshte highway system here

[rich depot]

I mean... all things degrade with useage and time, so worst case, you'll kill a component, more heat, which may be a good or a bad thing, depending on your needs, noise is one most people don't talk about#

You can mine and still use your PC just fine btw

[junior mason]

Sorry I was thinking more on the security side of it

[rich depot]

No security concerns that I'm aware of

[junior mason]

I mean I get everything no matter how "safe" can be hacked

[rich depot]

Nice hash uses third party plug ins but they are all well known and high on the opsec research lists. AFAIK there are no known security issues related directly to mining

[junior mason]

Nicehash you need to set up a cryptowallet aswell correct?

Like beforehand

[rich depot]

You can either use the Nicehash wallet or one of your own, which ever you prefer

[junior mason]

Gotcha

[rich depot]

I sent you a DM with links, if you have any other questions hit me up on DMs as I would prefer not to have this channel taken over with mining haha

[junior mason]

Yeah that's totally cool thanks!

[exotic yoke]

0.0125 CAD is insanely low, we're paying like 0.025 US$/kWh

[junior mason]

That was the rough average for us

[rich depot]

I pay 0.57USD/kWh lmao

Let's just say, it's not profitable haha

[simple tundra]

Ouch that sounds horrible

Sorry to hear that

[exotic yoke]

we're paying 0.207 CHF (roughly 23 US cents) per kWh, just looked it up (though that's swiss average, don't know what we pay for our electricity provider)

[rich depot]

Hence why I'm not folding atm 😂

[exotic yoke]

I could sell you my laptop xD uses like 150W max while folding, didn't pay attention to its PPD when I tried folding on it a few weeks ago

[rich depot]

I mean running a single 4070ti when it's tuned would out perform it at a similar wattage.

Like 180w for probably a good amount more PPD

[simple tundra]

Four months. Four months I lived without a good gpu.

But finally, it's back. MSI honored the warranty despite buying it secondhand.

Although it does go against my no-rbg setup ☹️, I'll see if I can fix that later

They did upgrade it from a 3080 Ventus 10gb model to a 3080 Suprim 12gb model which is actually pretty freaking sweet

Oh and the previous 3080 I had only used two power connectors, and it worked well with the cable extensions that only came with two pcie power cables.

Now I got a 3080 with three power connectors and I'm forced to use a basic power cable alongside the pretty black cables. Oh well.

Still pretty grateful for what I got 🙂

[twilit vortex]

Hello I need a laptop recommendation for a cousin his budget is very tight at 30-40k bdt ( 300usd) and he will use it for classes and web streaming only. No Chromebooks.

[rich depot]

This section is for the folding at home and BOINC project, please direct your question to #1106613567966429224

[twilit vortex]

O shit sorry

[rich depot]

Don't worry about it 🙂

[rich depot]

https://linustechtips.com/status/343539/

[hushed bobcat]

wut

[simple tundra]

Initially fell for it

[rich depot]

Hahaha

[rich depot]

Gerton be like

[regal plank]

What’s the point of this

[rich depot]

This section is for the folding at home project and the BOINC project

[fringe jay]

CrYpTo FTW !!!

just a simple statement!

[dawn tiger]

Still April fools

[toxic pewter]

Least active LTT Discrod server channel

Bruh

[exotic yoke]

folding is also a set it and forget it kind of thing for the most part. I guess people could talk about their results or smth, but that's not gonna be interesting for long

[rich depot]

This channel is mostly used during folding and boinc events

[glad locust]

folding@school (abusing free electricity from boarding school lol)

[shy venture]

you're going to still be using the laptop

even if the electricity is free

[glad locust]

wdym using the laptop

[rich depot]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[neon pumice]

What is folding?

[dawn tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/folding-chair-gif-25792315

[rich depot]

@neon pumice read this pinned post

Please don't spam

[neon pumice]

Discord mobile bring discord mobile

[fringe jay]

https://tenor.com/view/folding-clothes-pudgy-penguins-it's-time-to-do-household-chores-gif-4299097718415593214

[hearty rampart]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1567835-boinc-pentathlon-2024/

[lyric schooner]

cant wait for the event to begin! Never took part in one before

[humble rover]

Yooooo wan show pentathlon shoutout!

[rich depot]

Yeah, I dropped my LMG contact a message about it

[remote dawn]

I think he's implying the wear on the laptop has a cost even if the electricity is free, but it's not a relevant statement.

[silver wing]

Anyone able to put some GPUs on to NumberFields@Home, not looking good for us on that atm haha 😢

[noble sail]

Hello, just joined the discord - have been BOINCing for years and saw on the WAN shows that LTT has a team.

I've been doing Primegrid for several years (400M credits :-)), have a 7900XTX and a couple of slow CPUs on Numberfields now as well as a 7950 on Primegrid 🙂 Hope if helps a little! Also a rented 7502p from hetzner on numberfields 🙂

[noble sail]

Can I ask where is the best place to look at the stats from the pentathlon?

[fading hound]

Hey! The forums has a lot of information concerning the LTT folding team, I'll drop a link in a second for ya

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1567835-boinc-pentathlon-2024/ here you go @noble sail and here is the tracket SETI.Germany is hosting

https://www.seti-germany.de/boinc_pentathlon/start.php

[noble sail]

Thank you, much appreciated!

All setup for the next day at least. Skimmed through the forums. Crunching away now!

[noble sail]

Is there a way to get user starts as well?

[humble rover]

User stats should be available via boincstats if you've set up an account manager

[ocean crater]

I can’t whenever I do my whole upper level gets hot

And I ain’t paying all that on electricity

[ocean crater]

Quick question. Do you know when the next f@h event is

[humble rover]

It will most likely be the summer sprint, details tba

[rich depot]

I've not decided yet, but will likely be soon

[rich depot]

We are currently in 5th overall but losing ranks on the marathon will really hurt us.

Install instructions, Install boinc > tools > add project > go through adding primegrid > log into primegrid here https://www.primegrid.com/home.php > then go here https://www.primegrid.com/prefs.php?subset=project and uncheck everything other than Cullen Prime Search LLR

[humble rover]

FYI

Looks like Sidock's out for being hosted in Russia and thus not being accessible for the very active Ukrainian team, replacement probably announced on Sunday...
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1567835-boinc-pentathlon-2024/?do=findComment&comment=16403905

[rich depot]

I knew there was something I forgot

[dim dust]

Where's Leadeater

@silver wing

[rich depot]

He isn't on here very often

[dim dust]

Yeah he's a slacker

[rich depot]

I mean he isn't meant to be running the team, but I believe the lady who usually does it is deployed with US marines

[dim dust]

Oh I'm just messing with him.

[rich depot]

He asked you a question on teh forum

[dim dust]

I'm on it!

[rich depot]

WAN Show shout out again lets go!

[pseudo abyss]

Leadeater is more active on the forum than discord

[wispy glacier]

Is nfs memory intensive?
Got a VM w/ 52 threads / 64gb ram assigned, considering restarting it to assign more ram before flipping to nfs

[dim dust]

The long tasks take 1.25 GB RAM the ones below that take 1 GB

This page tells you the RAM requirements

[wispy glacier]

Thanks

[wispy glacier]

got boinctui running on Ubuntu server vms on the truenas box. 64 more threads

[tulip osprey]

I hit top 100 in the LTT FAH team!

[tulip osprey]

Now that I've hit that, I'm throwing my two 2696 Xeons at the Boinc event

[rich depot]

Nice

[tall wadi]

https://lmg.gg/folding

[opal elbow]

@rich depot I broke down and bought a 4070ti

[rich depot]

Which model?

[opal elbow]

Umm. Asus tuff I believe hold up

ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER OC Edition Gaming Graphics Card (PCIe 4.0, 12GB GDDR6X, DLSS 3, HDMI 2.1a, DisplayPort 1.4a) TUF-RTX4070S-O12G-GAMING

So a super not a TI

[rich depot]

Smh terrible, you got the wrong one I need to confiscate that for destruction

[dim dust]

It's okay @rich depot I'll take it off his hands and take care of it. I'm sure you're busy.

[opal elbow]

I’m so sorry ill sent it out for incineration asap

[dim dust]

I'll DM you my address. No problems.

[tall wadi]

distraction lol

[opal elbow]

Yeah I tried like 5 times and couldn’t get the right word. Gave up

Either way I’m gonna break the top 100 next folding month.

[quartz echo]

Reading the forum thread, I should only be running one primegrid task at a time on my 5600X? (32MB L3 cache)

[dim dust]

Yes, its got 32MB of L3 on 1 CCD that's split between two CCX with 16MB of L3 each.

So one on the processor is all you should be running.

[simple tundra]

that's pretty nice!

[opal elbow]

Yeah I’m really excited. I tried AMD for a bit and it’s just not running my games the way I want ( I often stream over steam link) also the frame rate boost is pretty great

[rich depot]

I kinda stuck

The epyc platform I was going to get has doubled in price. So now I need to decide if I want to just keep saving up for that or replacing my last in service 20 series with a 40 series

Another option is to liquidate some of my crypto for it

[hushed bobcat]

innocent whistling

[dim dust]

EPYCs are nice 🙂

I got a bunch of them.

[tulip osprey]

A lot of Supers can OC to Ti performance levels

[dim dust]

Congrats @rich depot

[rich depot]

thankss

[fresh ruin]

I heard linus's call to arms and I can try but thats all

[rich depot]

Any chance you can run milkyway@home. That's the currently needed project

[fresh ruin]

Am home now, just started it, I only have a 4790k at 4.7ghz so I'm not contributing much but I am contributing. If I had more notice I would have set up a VM with 65 cores to work on stuff

[fresh ruin]

Oop after it finished milkyway it went to primegrid and I guess thats not a stable overclock

Crash

[dim dust]

You still got time to fire that bad boy up

[fresh ruin]

its at work and i dont work today ugh

[dim dust]

The MW discipline just started. This is the end of day 2 coming up out of 5.

[fresh ruin]

Milkyway doesn't do much to to the cpu

[dim dust]

Are you running just 1 task or something? You need to set the tasks to utilize 4t for optimum performance.

https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/prefs.php?subset=project

[fresh ruin]

Thanks, I set it to 6t unlimited tasks but it still is only using 50% cpu

Never mind

Just hit 80s

[dim dust]

4t is the best for optimum performance. It'll get it closer to 100% CPU utilization.

I run 4t tasks on my hosts and then overcommit the host by about 15%.

So for example a 16c32t CPU I will run 9, 4 thread tasks.

[fresh ruin]

I set it to 4 now

I have 54 threads though

[dim dust]

You might need to set an app_config to fix the tasks that are already downloaded.

ctrl + shift + v

On the BOINC manager window will open advanced view

and you can see how many threads each tasks is trying to use

[fresh ruin]

Yeah

I am going to switch to prime grid soon though because we dropped a bit

[dim dust]

IMHO, I wouldn't worry with PG. GPUUG isn't going to catch LTTT.

You have more points to claim getting a better throw finished on NFS and gaining positions on Milkyway

[fresh ruin]

Alright

[dim dust]

I would talk with your team though and ask. It seems you guys are pushing hard for a good throw on NFS right now. If it's covered, then I'd run MW. If it's not covered then I'd run NFS until this throw is over and then switch back to Milkyway.

[fresh ruin]

I'm just one person

Does the ltt team use the forum for coordinating?

[dim dust]

I think so.

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1567835-boinc-pentathlon-2024/page/32/#comment-16411844

[fresh ruin]

How do I stop it from randomly stopping for CPU busy

[dim dust]

Are you in advanced view?

Uncheck "Suspend when computer is in use"

[fresh ruin]

It is unchecked

I clicked save and I don't think it's stopping anymore

[fresh ruin]

ouchie

not okay

[dim dust]

Well at least we know the CPU is being used now lol

[fading hound]

Ngl my cpu has been around 95C for the whole event 😅

[wind kernel]

I forgot this existed :D

[rich depot]

Hahaha

[silent berry]

quick question can i get paid for folding like cypto or is it just a voulntier thing

if i can get paid even if it;s a bit less i would prefer that, sense i like the idea of ebiong paid for work not magicaly making money

[hushed bobcat]

dont know exactly how it works but ive heard folding for CureCoin does that

[ripe python]

Hey guys, I just watched the Folding video and wanna cut back from gaming but have a pretty good PC. Is Folding@Home still a thing/important in 2024 or is BOINC better? Or are both still good

[pseudo abyss]

F@H is a lot easier to set up.

[dim dust]

GridCoin also "pays" crypto for F@H as well as a bunch of other distributed computing projects that run under the BOINC system.

[humble rover]

They are both important, however depending on what hardware you wish to contribute your choice may vary. FAH is easier but skewed towards GPU, whereas BOINC has a wider variety of projects and can leverage your CPU.

[rich depot]

With that said, there is some research in F@H that can ONLY run on CPUs meaning there is still a need for CPUs even if you don't get as many points

[wind kernel]

Wish they brought back bigadv units

[rich depot]

These days they are all bigadv

[wind kernel]

I meant the bonus points

[rich depot]

Meh, rewards on a modern CPU are probably as good as bigadv

[wind hill]

I only used to do GPU tasks, as I hated my CPU being at maximum temperature the whole time. Even minimising the amount of cores being used by the task didn't help with the temperatures.

[dim dust]

CPUs are a lot more durable than GPUs.

[fading hound]

not too worried about it, but yea even undervolted it was still pegging 95c for some projects. Milkyway was actually not so bad and stayed around 85iC for some reason

[wind hill]

I gave up on BOINC, as it won't let me login after creating an account.

[dim dust]

BOINC doesn't have an account. Its a software that multiple projects use and every project has it's own login.

[wind hill]

Yeah. The project asks me to create an account and then says the account doesn't exist.

I have to go to the project webpage and do it from there. I'll figure it out.

[dim dust]

Project asks you to create an account where? On the BOINC manager app? There are two "dialogs" for that. One is login (account needs to exist) and the other is "create new account."

If you have an account, click "Yes, existing user" if you don't have an account then click "No, new user" (already clicked)

However, I don't ever use the BOINC manager to create new accounts for me. I always just go directly to the project itself to create a new account.

Its also important that you use the same email on all projects. This allows your CPID to sync across all your projects so 3rd party stats sites can link all your accounts together. In addition to using the same email, it's good to attach the project to the same host (or a host with an existing project) so it'll get the correct CPID.

[wind hill]

I was doing everything correctly, but it appears that the first couple of projects I chose were either not currently active, or not functioning. I found one that worked.

[wind kernel]

if you're CPU is Ryzen 7000, then its literally designed to run at 95C and will vary clocks to maintain that temperature

Up or down to certain limits

[hushed bobcat]

i put my 7950x in ECO mode and havent looked back

[wind hill]

Oh, absolutely. I just don't have enough ventilation in my room to continuously run my system at those temps.

[wind kernel]

Thats the whole point, it'll downclock to maintain 95C

[wind hill]

Yeah, I know. 😆

[rich depot]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1571333-summer-folding-sprint-2024/#comment-16418614

[echo loom]

Am I cooked? I can't even fold on my hardware....

[rich depot]

whats folding

[rich depot]

Does it work when you put it to full?

[echo loom]

No...

[rich depot]

Hmm....

Have you got the most up to date device list for F@H

[echo loom]

I do, I guess H100 isn't supported. Thank you

Also if I don't have a forum name can I use my discord name for the form?

[rich depot]

you need a forum account

[echo loom]

frikc

[echo loom]

does folding name need to be same as forum name btw?

[rich depot]

no

[delicate mica]

@rich depot I think I may have used my discord or linked discord to my account somehow. This is what I'm logged in as, does it seem ok? https://linustechtips.com/profile/1145575-5malll5nail5/

[rich depot]

Hey there, I'm in bed atm with it being almost midnight here. Drop me a DM (either here or on the forum) and I'll look into it tomorrow and get back to you

[balmy lichen]

That looks like you use Discord to log into the forums? If so, that looks correct. If you want to be 100% sure I can DM that profile on the forums and just let me know if you got the private message or not

[delicate mica]

I'm sure I will, go ahead and see. I just didn't know if a "sign in with discord" would count

[rich depot]

Thanks man for helping out as usual

[balmy lichen]

It wont matter where your username came from or how you log in. Just that you have a forum profile. I dmed you though.

[delicate mica]

Ok cool let me check

Got it! Ok cool so that'll suffice for folding

[balmy lichen]

It does. I also see your folding name being correct. As a reminder, you'll have to swap to LTT for the event to qualify (team 223518)

[delicate mica]

Yep that much I did know thanks

[balmy lichen]

❤️

[vernal oasis]

Are there BOINC work that runs on GPU but without requiring FP64?

[rich depot]

I mean... Most projects would use a mixture of precision, why do you ask?

[vernal oasis]

Since I do not have FP64 support on GPU.

[rich depot]

What GPU do you have?

[vernal oasis]

Arc A770

[rich depot]

There are a couple of projects that support the Arc GPUs

[hushed bobcat]

I would have an ARC gpu if it had FP64 support

[rich depot]

Same

[plush hemlock]

What is boinc?

[pseudo abyss]

Its software that you can use to donate your PC compute power to different kinds of reasarch. Math, space stuff, medical stuff and others.

[plush hemlock]

Nice

[dim dust]

Almost non of the BOINC projects require FP64. The one that benefitted from it the most, Milkyway@home ended their GPU sub project a year ago.

[humble rover]

🚨 Folding sprint starting imminently 🚨
A little birdy says you may wish to start WUs early

[echo loom]

@rich depot how can I see how many WUs i've completed

[rich depot]

Like... In general, or for the event?

[echo loom]

for the event

[rich depot]

We don't publish WU count as an anti sandbagging measure

[echo loom]

ah I see

how can I see it in general then?

ive been folding for approx 3 hours

[rich depot]

3 hours in totality? As in you're brand new? Because it usually takes a couple days for FaH or EoC to start showing data for new profiles

[echo loom]

yeah, brand new

oh shit does this mean i wont qualify?

[rich depot]

You will, we pull stats through an API and it usually... Mostly works

[echo loom]

ah man

[rich depot]

Generally we do advise that people complete at least one WU a few days before the event starts to make it easier but it works like 99% of time without that

[echo loom]

how long does a WU take to complete usually? I'm folding on a 4080 Super right now

[rich depot]

It completely depends on the WU, on my 4070tis they can be anywhere from 30 mins to a few hours

I remember when WUs were like 8+ hours on 980tis lmfao

[shell rock]

your PPD estimate won’t even be remotely accurate for a bit

[rich depot]

This ^^

[shell rock]

takes a few days to settle in iirc

and even then it can be +- a bit

[echo loom]

thats fine im not stressed about the ppd

[rich depot]

And they have to submit I think 20WUs for QRB

[echo loom]

ive been sitting at around 10m ppd for a while now

[shell rock]

Unfortunately I’m not participating in this event, but I did participate in the last folding month event awhile back

[rich depot]

I'm doing 26m on 2 4070tis rn

[echo loom]

should i switch to a linux vm for higher efficiency

[rich depot]

Hoping to do another event before folding month

[rich depot]

The difference is not insignificant, but it's nothing crazy either

Like <10%

[shell rock]

Gotcha. Idk if I’ll be running my entire fleet of GPUs lol. Need more Nvidia cards for this tbh. Running my XTX would just obliterate my power bill ngl.

[echo loom]

hmm its fine then ill just stick with windows i just want to do the 1 WU and then stop my VM as soon as it does

[hushed bobcat]

i usually see around 26mil ppd on my 4080

but as was mentioned earlier it really depends on the WU

[hushed bobcat]

keep in mind im at 75% power limit right now

unfortunately this folding event coincided with a heat wave

[rich depot]

ikrr

[hushed bobcat]

its going to be near 100 tomorrow with a heat index of 110

[delicate mica]

thats why god makes mini splits haha

[rich depot]

I 'm british... we just complain and live in a sauna

[delicate mica]

we are the same way

I moved 4 PCs into my office - I swore I had two separate 15A circuits but it looks like I was wrong on which receptacle they are on :}

[rich depot]

Haha

I have 4 4070tis on one socket

(UK sockets are good for over 3kw)

[delicate mica]

yeah we are 120v

I ran 4 circuits to this room - 2x 20A (one is powering an AC unit) and 2x 15A

but I ended up using two sets of receptacles on the same 15A - whoops

[rich depot]

Then in the UK we have the unusual "Ring Main" topography so we don't run individual circuits (except for bathrooms)

Like my electric cooker, my washing machine and clothes dryer are all just plugged into normal, standard outlets

[delicate mica]

Yeah we can't do that reasonably

[rich depot]

Not at 120v

[delicate mica]

No

And even at 240v I probably wouldn't want to

[rich depot]

I mean done right, it's a very clever set up

[delicate mica]

It just makes faults a nightmare to find

[rich depot]

It was invented during WW2 yo reduce aluminium useage (we had aluminium cables in the war and post war until 1970 or so due to copper shortage)

[delicate mica]

Yeah we still use aluminum on service entry cable and oven/drywer circuits

[rich depot]

Honestly the fact we have fused plugs makes finding most faults very easy

[rich depot]

We are all copper now by law afaik

[delicate mica]

What size incoming amperage do you have

[rich depot]

Incoming, like the DNO amperage?

[delicate mica]

Like main breaker

[rich depot]

So we actually have fused, not main breakers

[delicate mica]

Right what ampacity is your main feed to your house

[rich depot]

Standard is 85 amps these days

[delicate mica]

OK I see - yeah we are 200A mains incoming

[rich depot]

If you have a EV charger installed it goes up to 120amp

It's rare to see more than that

[pseudo abyss]

I believe its 63A at my home

[delicate mica]

Yeah the US is nice in that regard - 230/240v main, 200A

[rich depot]

Yeah but you guys need it, we don't

[delicate mica]

But that's why the main service entry cable is aluminum its like #00 or something

[rich depot]

#00???

[pseudo abyss]

I think that is quite normal here, don't know on new places but is on some.

Worth noting that its 3 phase

[delicate mica]

3 phase residential/

[delicate mica]

Sorry I meant 2/0

[pseudo abyss]

My country have unusual power system but 3 phase input yes.

[rich depot]

You'll have to explain that to me, we use mm^2 in cross sectional area

[delicate mica]

then how do you convert it to single phase inside /

[rich depot]

Thanks!!

[pseudo abyss]

We dont have live and neutral like some European does, we have live 1 and live 2 in the sockets.

[delicate mica]

Thats just 220-240v though that's not phases

[pseudo abyss]

By just connecting wires to them. Its not hard

[delicate mica]

I am not sure I follow

[rich depot]

What kinda feed do you have, my house has TN-C-S

[pseudo abyss]

I mean if you have 3 phases. If you connect something to two of them, it's two phases.

[delicate mica]

They'd be out of phase...

[pseudo abyss]

If you connect one wire to one phase and one to neutral or is one phase

[delicate mica]

the voltage is all wrong

Are you sure you don't mean single phase 220-240v?

[rich depot]

@delicate mica just in case you missed my question

[delicate mica]

I am looking up that term

[rich depot]

Ah okay

[delicate mica]

I dunno how this correlates to the US

[rich depot]

Ah okay

[rich depot]

You have centre tap local transformers right?

[pseudo abyss]

Not here, no.
Most of Europe have 400v 3 phase where you connect to one phase and neutral for 230-240v.

In my country, a lot of places it's 3 phase, input where devices are connected to two of them. So that the output from it is around 230-240v

We start to use the same as rest of Europe in newly built places tho.

[delicate mica]

For our grounding systems we have a neutral that comes in from service and is bounded with a ground from service, ground is also referencing a 6-8' rod driven into the ground outside of the main panel

[delicate mica]

Yeah OK that is very tedious - we have 3 phase here but its really for 400v and only commerical with large motors, etc.

[rich depot]

My house was built in the 50s so we share our ground(earth as we can it) with 4 other properties

[pseudo abyss]

Some countries like UK the 400v is "converted" to 230-240v in the street and only a single phase in to homes.

[delicate mica]

Like the actual "into the earth" ground?

[delicate mica]

yeah phase converters - gets expensive and noisy depending

[rich depot]

Yes, the rod

[delicate mica]

Got you - our houses are far too far apart to do that

[rich depot]

Ours are usually joined in rows

[delicate mica]

When our supply comes from whatever local transformer there is a common neutral/ground with the service, so they bond there some place, but we do it at our panel also

[delicate mica]

I am on like 1.5 acres so there's no joining

[rich depot]

Lmfao

Here's s shitty pic I took recently to explain

[delicate mica]

Yah we call these row homes or town homes

[rich depot]

We call them "terraced houses"

[rich depot]

Also all those cables you see on the pole are gigabit fibre

[delicate mica]

Nice - ours are all buried

In fact...

[rich depot]

It depends on which network here

[delicate mica]

I had some fun work occur

[rich depot]

Open reach is mostly like that because of planning laws

Virgin and other "new" providers are under ground

[delicate mica]

Guy running the trench machine "had a feeling he should stop" based on his experience with the fiber

[rich depot]

Open reach is the continuation of the old government owned telegram and then telephone network that went private in the early 2000s

[delicate mica]

I'd say he made the right decision

you can see where he stopped trenching and started hand digging

[rich depot]

Nice

[delicate mica]

like 60mm from hitting the fiber

Even with having the fiber company come out and mark, they were about 2 meters off lol

[rich depot]

Because we have so much down there we have excellent maps and "flags" using small concrete pillars about 8 inches tall that mark all gas and electrical lines, but most water

With the density of living in much of the UK everything is fun in concrete conduit under roads in most places

[delicate mica]

oh yeah we have a system for marking those and producing a tone, etc. But fiber is non conductive and they tend to go a little more freeform. I have a tree nearby and the contractor was like "I bet the swooped over here to avoid the tree vs. where they marked..." and sure enough

[rich depot]

Run in concrete*

Our analogue phone network gets shut off next year

[delicate mica]

Nice - I don't know if you can get true analog here

[rich depot]

Most of the UK is VOIP these days already, like over 50%

[pseudo abyss]

If you convert 400v tree phase to 230-240v single phase its just wires, no noise. Just connect one wire to one phase and the other to neutral.

[delicate mica]

https://tenor.com/view/too-many-counting-gif-15929632

[dim dust]

That's not really that much power though. I got 7x 3070s on a 120@15A socket in the US w/ EPYC CPU.

Then 6x P100s on another and 5x P100s on another.

P100s each have ~20W blower fans on them as well. Yes, they're loud AF.

[rich depot]

I also have 5 monitors, 2 laptops, recording lighting, my network equipment, multiple fans and an ASIC miner... 17 plugs in total

[hushed bobcat]

My house has a 200amp service but I found out a couple years ago I had no referenced ground

Did explain why my microwaves would blow up from time to time ...

Also several outlets in my house weren't hooked up to ground at all

[dim dust]

Yeah that's more than I can run on a single circuit here, but I have more than one circuit with many GPUs spread around them.

[rich depot]

More than one way to skin a cat

We have ring mains in the UK, so the circuit is shared across all plugs on a floor usually

[dim dust]

Yeah that's an interesting setup.

I do wish I had more power though. I'm about tapped out on the power I can use.

[rich depot]

yeah, means you can pull a hell of a lot out of one socket

[dim dust]

~27 GPUs, 7 EPYCs, 7 Xeons, 2 Ryzens and everything else... can't really add much more LOL

[rich depot]

240V @ 13amp per socket

damnnn

[dim dust]

But I live in a 1 bedroom apartment so my power options are severely limited.

[rich depot]

you must have much cheaper power than my 0.47USD/KWh

[dim dust]

Yeah much cheaper. Like 1/4 of that.

I think its either .11 or .10. Somewhere around there. ~$500 - $600 a month in power is what I normally pay.

I use around 4k KWh a month during the summer and around 6k KWh during the Winter since I power most of my systems down for the hot ass weather.

[rich depot]

Yeah I pay about the same for much much less productivity

[dim dust]

Not sure I'd still do this if that was the case lol

[rich depot]

hahaha

[humble rover]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2244-day-one-its-warm-right/

[rich depot]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2245-day-three-and-can-you-feel-the-fold-tonight/

[delicate mica]

So uh - AC auto-off schedule in my office happened...

[rich depot]

I just don't have AC.. Usually sitting in 30-35C temps

[delicate mica]

oh god

I have a separate zone for my office and I usually sign off of work before 5PM, but forgot that I have these machines running

[rich depot]

That's fair

[rich depot]

In the UK you just get used to a varied temp. It's cooler today though, only 28°C in here

[delicate mica]

similar here

PA and UK are very similar in weather

[rich depot]

I mean because of our lack of AC

I don't know a single person with AC in their home

[delicate mica]

holy shit

[rich depot]

There's a reason we use 60% less power power house than America... It's mostly ac

Also we have stricter efficiency standards and better insulation

[delicate mica]

There are parts of the US that you'd simply die w/o AC though

[rich depot]

Like even CFL bulbs are illegal to sell in the UK now

[rich depot]

Oh for sure, I'm not saying it as a "were better" thing, it's mostly because power is so expensive here no one could afford AC

Like I pay 0.46USD/KWh equivalent

[delicate mica]

yeesh

I pay about $0.20/kwh

[rich depot]

Yeah, doesn't help that legally all our houses are heavily insulated, leaving it's very good at keeping warm in winter, but if you have lows of heat being produced inside when it's summer it gets very hot. Which isn't seen as an issue because we have such strict efficiency standards

[delicate mica]

The US has insulation for a long while now

as a standard2

[rich depot]

I'm aware

But my understanding is us insulation is not as strict as UK requirements

[delicate mica]

I am not so sure about that

[rich depot]

Like my house was built in 1953 and was designed to be insulated too a high degree as technology improved. We have 1.2m of fibreglass in the loft for instance

[delicate mica]

depends on the area, but most new construction is going to 2x6 exterior walls

[rich depot]

Then the rafters are insulated too

[delicate mica]

Looks like your walls are only required to be... U value of 0.18 W/m²K

[rich depot]

The walls have 30cm void that wasn't originally insulated but now have foam beads in it

[delicate mica]

If I am converting that properly that's an R-value of 5.5, we use R13 minimally

[rich depot]

Yeah we are still lacking on walls it seems

[delicate mica]

Roof says (renovations, so higher value than old) 0.15 W/m2k

That's only R6 also

[rich depot]

But it's rare to get "just" the requirement, because insurance is subsidized if you have a higher efficiency rating

[delicate mica]

Yeah its just a factor of about 10 - 20% of our minimal rating it seems

Its prob more of a topic considering your buildings are much older

2x4 construction here will be R13-25, and 2x6 construction is R19-39

[rich depot]

Yeah, old buildings are an issue, like my house built in 1953, there's only so much retrofitting you can do

Hence the mountain of insulation in the roof space

[delicate mica]

yeah we do blow in

[rich depot]

I don't know what that means lmfao

[rich depot]

We use a different style here

[delicate mica]

yeah we have a few

[rich depot]

The rafters are insulated here with rolls of fibreglass

Then usually you have fibreglass matts which in my house I measured just under 1.2m deep

Makes the loft pretty much unusable though

[delicate mica]

some of ours will do this

[rich depot]

Yeah the spray stuff is illegal here

[delicate mica]

the foam board is also used

[rich depot]

Well not illegal, but makes it impossible to insure so no one does it

[delicate mica]

the walls of my house in the rear are sprayed internally

its fantastic insulation, but makes pulling a wire hell

[rich depot]

The problem here is the humidity is so high spray foam causes more issues than it solves

[delicate mica]

well you need to have proper vapor barriers, etc. here as well

there's a lot of mold prevention

[rich depot]

I'm not a builder so I don't know the ins and outs

[delicate mica]

yeah I do a bit of renovation work

on my own - so i research the codes and what not

[rich depot]

I just know the saying we use "if you spray, the insurance don't pay"

Basically if it can't be removed easily for inspection, it's a no go

[delicate mica]

You wouldn't believe the situation over here - the housing situation is such that people are buying houses w/o even having inspections, its insane

[rich depot]

Modern houses are built out of insulation from the ground up these days, the outside wall is brick, then foam board, then aerated concrete blocks

[delicate mica]

we actually foam board the outside of the foundation subterrain

[rich depot]

Damn, you have to have an inspection in the UK, otherwise you can't get a mortgage, insurance nor disaster support from the government

[delicate mica]

That's how it used to be but now with housing being insanely short and prices insane the mortgage companies are letting people go w/o - its going to be a disaster in like 5 - 10 years

[rich depot]

Damn

[delicate mica]

People are buying houses for $750k that would have been $550k 3 year ago... with no inspections

so wait for the price bubble to burst and people/banks are holding these overvalued mortgages on houses with issues - we're doomed

[rich depot]

18 houses were built in my town with 1.8m thick walls and it's all insulation with a brick exterior. That's not the norm, but many people are willing to pay A LOT more for well insulated houses because it makes the insurance do cheap thanks to the gov

Most houses in the UK are bought by landlords these days, so saving 40% on insurance when you own 38 houses is a big saving. (The average landlord owns 38 properties in the UK)

[delicate mica]

Yeah they're trying that shit here

the vibe is that our gov is edging toward people renting/leasing

home ownership is at a low point

kind of sad really

[rich depot]

Labour want to build 1.5 million high efficiency homes in the next 5 years if they become gov to oversupply and reduce prices

The conservatives say we need 1-1.2m homes to house everyone, do labour want to build 300-500k extra

[delicate mica]

the market should drive it

and everything should align such that things are even affordable

our systems has basically priced anyone who doesn't already own a house from ever getting one

[rich depot]

The problem is in the UK the vast majority houses are built by three companies and they have been squeezing the market for 2 decades to drive up prices, the majority of the new houses would be social housing

[delicate mica]

yep that's why the US isn't buying into it - well most people are not

we have an abundance of large developers buying existing homes and people think its a feature to help prices come down

However, when you can only get internet from Verizon or Comcast, what's the motivation to lower prices? None

[rich depot]

Yeah we have 63 ISPs in the UK lmfao

[delicate mica]

That's fantastic

I manage a few DCs in the UK

[rich depot]

I have 250gb data, and unlimited text and talk for 12GBP a month

[delicate mica]

Oh you are cellular?

[rich depot]

I meant for my phone

[delicate mica]

oh ok

[rich depot]

I live in a digital dessert though as we call them

I can get up to gigabit on virgin for a stupid price or openreach offer 16/8 as their fastest connection and that is it

[delicate mica]

jesus

[rich depot]

It's too the point where starlink almost makes sense

[rich depot]

I pay 120USD/Month for 350/30

If I was 7 miles away it would be gigabit for like 30GBP/Month

I think what's really surprising is the number of CIC ISPs (CICs are none profits)

[delicate mica]

This is not far off from the US - I have two ISPs and one is about $150/mo for 1 Gbps up and down, the other is simlar for 1.2 Gbps down, 100 mbps up or something

But our like 500/500 plans are around $100 still

They always get you for a nice $50/month fee but after 6 months or a year its pedal to the metal

[wind kernel]

Whats wrong with this? Seems perfect temperature

[delicate mica]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[rich depot]

What is that if centigrade?

In*

[wind kernel]

[delicate mica]

31.1

[wind kernel]

I am frozen

[delicate mica]

That's perfect

[wind kernel]

No no

[rich depot]

Not too bad

[wind kernel]

This is the perfect tempertaure

[delicate mica]

88 indoors is brutal

[wind kernel]

:D

[delicate mica]

lol feel free!

[rich depot]

It's 29C in here and I feel cold lmfao

[wind kernel]

Its 6C and my teeth are chattering

[delicate mica]

I have this zone cranking and its 75F

23.8C

[wind kernel]

I have my air con/heat pump set to 35C to get me warm

95F

[delicate mica]

lol

I can't handle this

[wind kernel]

😮

[delicate mica]

I have a 4090 not F@H because my wife says it "makes too much wind noise and makes the room hot" lol

Its in our family room

[rich depot]

Getting closer to top 300

[delicate mica]

nice

I had taken a major break when mining was a thing 😐

[rich depot]

I have about 3k in either mined coin or stocks that were bought with mined coin

[delicate mica]

Oh I rolled it into hardware constantly

[rich depot]

I just can't afford to run more hardware

[delicate mica]

This was at the height of my bad decisions

[rich depot]

I do have a KS0 pro that runs 24/7 though that was bought with crypto

[delicate mica]

8 - 10 EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultras

[rich depot]

Nice

I have 4 4070tis

[delicate mica]

Oh cool - I am now on 6 4090s

well only 4 are F@H'ing

[rich depot]

My next hardware purchase will be an EPYC platform for my aging 22 core X99 rig

[delicate mica]

Oh nice

Still have a new X99 classified board

I never built on it - thought I would but I dunno lost interest

[rich depot]

Mines a rampage V extreme

Thinking about offering it for free to someone on the folding team when I upgrade

It's barely worth selling and the AIO would be useless for an EPYC chip

[hushed bobcat]

I'll have to double check but I think I pay $80 for 500 down 1gbps up

[hushed bobcat]

room is currently at 81F (27.8C) because of folding

[delicate mica]

back to normal

[dim dust]

Which generation?

[delicate mica]

now we can turn the power up

[rich depot]

V4

Unless you mean EPYC gen

Then it's going to be a 7642

[dim dust]

Whats the use case for it?

and why not a 64-core SKU?

Need the clockspeed or something?

[rich depot]

For my EPYC? It's the best I can afford

[dim dust]

Ah okay

I'd save up for a Milan SKU instead of Rome.

Rome is comparable to the 3000 series Ryzens, which are good, but we all know how much better the 5000-series Ryzens were over the 3000.

Rome is basically 3000-series and Milan is basically 5000-series Ryzen equivalent.

(just slower clock speeds)

[rich depot]

Meh I prefer older hardware, it's much cheaper and I'm happy to pay the extra power. Even a 7642 is a massive improvement over what I have

[dim dust]

Guessing you're going with a first generation EPYC board instead of a second generation board?

[rich depot]

Most probably

[dim dust]

I got a fleet of Rome EPYCs, but I wish I would have just got the Milan's instead. Thought saving a few dollars wouldn't matter much on the performance side, but I think I was wrong.

Based on BOINC workloads though.

So now I am debating buying half a dozen Milan CPU/Motherboard/RAM combos to replace them all or going with Geona lol

[rich depot]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_EJmhHCj

[dim dust]

No way can that be real.

[rich depot]

I've had from this seller a few times, never had an issue

The price you see is only for the motherboard

[dim dust]

If that's a Rev 1.0 it's not compatible with the 7002 series (Rome)

Might want to look into the why. Make sure its just a BIOS update and not something else.

[rich depot]

They are sold as a compatible pair, I know the first and second gen are largely compatible

[dim dust]

Yeah, I see they're sold as a pair.

But this is what Gigabytes product page says about that board.

[rich depot]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_ExIOkKb or there's this one

[dim dust]

With Rev 2.x being 7001 and 7002 compatible.

[rich depot]

Then are the two I have cursory looked at for pricing ideas, not set on then as haven't really looked into it

[dim dust]

That one doesn't show which rev the board is.

[rich depot]

I would pay through PayPal so if it doesn't work I'm covered

[dim dust]

Where and how much are you paying for the CPU?

[rich depot]

491 GBP on AliExpress, not set on that

[dim dust]

Are you using that cooler with the combo on AliExpress also?

[rich depot]

Probably grab an AIO that's compatible

It the noctua tr cooler

Or the*

[dim dust]

I'm not sure of any AIO's for them. Never seen one.

The Noctua I highly recommend. I use it on all of mine.

[rich depot]

There are TR aios

[dim dust]

Oh right, I forgot the share the same socket as some of the TRs.

My expereince with AIOs are I will never buy them again haha

But that's just my opinion based on my experience with a handfull of them.

[rich depot]

Hahaha all my systems are on them

[dim dust]

Out of the 6 AIOs I've owned only 2 of them still function correctly.

and they might be on their way out soon also as they're starting to gargle some.

But I also abuse the heck out of them. I run my systems nearly 100% load 24/7 and every one of them have failed because the liquid inside them evoperated leaving them dry. First they get low and I have to alter the orientation of the radiator so they will still flow, then they get too low for that to even work anymore. So I quit buying them.

[rich depot]

Yeah, they have a 3-6 year useable life, I see them as consumable components tbh.

Although i have refilled them before

[hushed bobcat]

@rich depot the 7713 system I built a couple months ago might be up for sale

No idea how to ship it to Britain though

[rich depot]

not worth it shipping internationally

[humble rover]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2246-day-five-the-start-of-the-weekend/

I feel like we've skipped a day

[hushed bobcat]

Probably not

[rich depot]

Yeah I did it wrong, but I'm in an AA meeting so will fix it after

It's cause I was rushing

[hushed bobcat]

got me all excited thinking it was the weekend

[dim dust]

How much and what's the specs?

[delicate mica]

Now that my PSUs are not being a PITA I can turn up the heat in two machines

[hushed bobcat]

Epyc 7713, supermicro h12ssl-i, 128GB SuperMicro 3200mhz, NORCO RPC-470, Seasonic gold 550w

I'll have to ask how much he wants for it

[dim dust]

Yeah, tell him I don't need the case.

Or the CPU cooler since I'm sure its some loud AF 4u cooler

[hushed bobcat]

It's a noctua sp3

My bad it's a SuperMicro 4u cooler

Don't remember it being loud at all

[shell rock]

I really want an SP3 machine

Or just server hardware in general

shits cool

[hushed bobcat]

@dim dust $2200 for the whole machine

$2200 if you just want the mobo, cpu, and ram

[tulip osprey]

damn! What hardware are you running for those numbers?

[shell rock]

idk if he’s folding on cpus too but he’s running at least four 4090s

[delicate mica]

Yeah four 4090s

[wind kernel]

This is good temperature

[wind kernel]

This is too cold

[delicate mica]

No way

[tulip osprey]

DAYUM

[delicate mica]

Unfortunately my remaining two were occupied

[humble rover]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2247-day-six-the-final-countdown/

[tulip osprey]

I didn't even know there was an event...s hoot

[exotic yoke]

is ~1.6m ppd a good speed for Folding@Home on an RTX 4070Ti? It's so much faster than my 3060Ti, it completes WUs in like an hour while the 3060Ti took around 2 hours

[hushed bobcat]

sounds low

https://folding.lar.systems/gpu_ppd/brands/nvidia/folding_profile/ad104_geforce_rtx_4070_ti

4070ti should do around 12mil ppd

WU completion time is determined by the specific WU you are working on

it can take 6 hours or it can take 20 min

[exotic yoke]

I only did 2 short WUs since it was not as hot outside. Will probably fold more in winter when it's cold outside and not in summer when it's already over 25 degrees

Could also have misread by a digit and it might have been 16mil, they should add 's for better readability

[hushed bobcat]

you have the passkey?

[exotic yoke]

to what? Probably not since I don't know what you mean

I just started one and I did in fact misread by one digit, I'm currently at around 15m ppd

[hushed bobcat]

once you do a certain number of WU for folding at home you can apply for a passkey

https://apps.foldingathome.org/getpasskey

[exotic yoke]

What does that passkey do?

ah, FAQ exists, I now know

I have 170WUs in one Team (PCWelt) and a few more in the LTT team and probably a few as anonymous when I didn't have an identity yet, I applied for a passkey, let's see if I get anything

4WUs at the LTT team LUL

[gloomy yoke]

boutta get a server online folding for LTT!

[gloomy yoke]

got it for free as compensation for some sketchy stuff going on with the hosting provider (we dont use them anymore) but who would pass up a free server

[exotic yoke]

Just started finishing up one WU I started on my CPU, why does it still say 6.99 days remaining? I've had like 4-5h so far. I have a 12700k for reference

went down to one day. Might just be the weird behavior where it gets stuck on the first percent for whatever reason

[rich depot]

Let's go!!!

[rich depot]

Yeah the starts are always rough

[hushed bobcat]

@rich depot

soo close...

[rich depot]

haha

[hushed bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/casi-te-gano-i-almost-had-you-paul-walker-smile-gif-17477662

[rich depot]

I was only running one system tbf

[hushed bobcat]

was running my usual 2

main Desktop with a 4080 and my dedicated ubuntu server with a 1080ti and 3060ti

i did have access to the epyc server

so i could have added a 64 core epyc

but heat wave hit and i took pity on both the electronics in the basement and my AC

also my power bill

i was VERY close to running down to microcenter and picking up a 4060ti

just wasnt in the budget

[rich depot]

Sorry for the delay, heres the final ranks all https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2248-award-ceremony/

[rich depot]

I look forward to the next event with you, I'm sure it will be cooler

[gloomy yoke]

2 days and we alr got 10 WU, (and the eleventh is almost done )

[wind kernel]

I am sure it won't :D

[exotic yoke]

I kept it running and it eventually crashed for whatever reason. Then Windows thought it was corrupted and this time I did the automatic fix that rolled it back a bit (might not have been necessary but better have that than have to completely reset it again). Now I just can't remotely access it anymore because it deleted AnyDesk, gonna have to set that up again

[marsh gyro]

What is this channel

[dawn tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[marsh gyro]

Ok thx

[marsh gyro]

Okaydokey

[rich depot]

But seriously I run the folding team, if you have any questions hmu

[marsh gyro]

Alr thx

[dim dust]

I have a question.

[rich depot]

Yes?

[dim dust]

Is the LTT folding team going to help the LTT BOINC team beat TAAT next year in the Pentathlon? Asking for a friend.

[rich depot]

Hahaha... I've been trying to think of ways to help mobilize them ngl

[dim dust]

Maybe I can do some trash talking leading up to the event. Some motivational jabs if you will.

😅

[rich depot]

Hahaha

Maybe

[pseudo abyss]

I finally used up the LTTStore discount code I won from the January event.
I combined it with a Lime Day deal. I know that most likely wasnt something LTT wanted, but oh well.

(Indoor hoodie was half price)

[rich depot]

smart!!

[silent berry]

hey so my system is saying my gpu is disabled anythign i can do to change that

[silent berry]

seems to be an issue with fedora 40 remove packages

[hollow shuttle]

/

[tulip osprey]

The weather is cooling off... time to start folding again 😄

[ornate ginkgo]

I'm back!!!

[pseudo abyss]

Welcome!