folding-and-boinc

[broken cradle]

Channel ded

[last skiff]

yea

[digital marlin]

did you guys hear, with the new AMD driver, all RX6000 gpus are folding 2 Times faster now

[hushed bobcat]

so they might contribute as much as an nVidia GPU now?

[humble rover]

Ok but what the power efficiency look like 😂

[digital marlin]

with a under volt of -50mv its a 140w for 1million PPD on the RX6700xt

not bad right?

[hushed bobcat]

Hmm I'll have to look at the folding LAR database and do a comparison when I get home

If my memory serves my 1080Ti does around 2.8mil at 280w

That's about 10,000 ppd per watt

So to match your 6700xt would have to put out 1.4mil

Again I'm going to have to double check those numbers

[hushed bobcat]

https://folding.lar.systems/gpu_ppd/overall_ranks_power_to_ppd

looks like i was a little off, my 1080Ti does around 2.3mil ppd

and pulls 250w

(stock settings not power limited)

thats 9,200 ppd per watt

@digital marlin your RX6700xt is putting out 7143 ppd per watt

a GTX 1070 is 1.25mil ppd at 150w
8,333 ppd per watt

and for something modern...

RTX 3080 is 7.1 mil at 350w
20,286 ppd per watt

not going to lie I wasn't expecting the new cards to be that efficient

it looks like mobile GPU's are top of the stack though

3070 mobile max-q is 27,240 ppd per watt

[torn forum]

@marble osprey no one cares

and this has nothing to do with folding

@slim shell can you delete these please

or @sacred eagle

[sacred eagle]

tag the role not individual mods next time

[torn forum]

okay

[oak meteor]

https://rnma.xyz/boinc/result.php?resultid=10387301

🤯

[oak meteor]

https://rnma.xyz/boinc/results.php?userid=7450

[earnest pollen]

will there be better cooling in the flip 4 because my flip 3 temps get stupidly hot. I haven't seen it mentioned yet (if not guess we will have to wait for its release)

[tame obsidian]

the cooling has been improved according mrwhosetheboss

[earnest pollen]

i hope so lol if i play a game on my phone for 5 minuets it feels like i could cook an egg on it

[tame obsidian]

lol

[livid mango]

Aug 14 last message

[prisma hawk]

Ok

[vital swan]

Hi everyone, another folding fan here.

[hushed bobcat]

whats your setup?

[vital swan]

The main Machine is a build running in the office for me and two colleagues. So the points are not credited entirely for me. 7700k with a 1660 and a 1060. I hope I can update it to a 3080 soon.
The second build is just a core2duo with a 1060 running in a dorm.
And then i outsourced some folding to a miner from Minnesota. He pays less than a half for a kwh than I do. There is a 1660Super folding for me

So roughly 3.6m PPD

[vital swan]

Except one PSU it is all used hardware.

[hushed bobcat]

I would think the core2duo machine is bottlenecking the 1060

Both in terms of clock speed and PCIE bandwidth

[rich depot]

uhhh

yeah certianly

[vital swan]

Not really, the bottleneck seemed to be the PCIe 1.0 that I had in the beginning. After switching to 2.0 PPD increases by ~100-150k PPD

It is doing up to 800k PPD in good days, but 700 is almost safe.

[hushed bobcat]

https://folding.lar.systems/gpu_ppd/brands/nvidia/folding_profile/gp106_geforce_gtx_1060_6gb_4372

that looks to be pretty average numbers

[vital swan]

It is only the 3gb version

[hushed bobcat]

That shouldn't make any difference for Folding

[polar shell]

3gb has less cuda cores doesnt it?

[hushed bobcat]

i dont think so?

ohh you're right

1060 3GB

1060 6GB

[fickle needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/864016374061989911/1012978214026629150/unknown.png

GPU go brrrt

[vital swan]

Someone noticed, that overall points increased significantly?
Because of only one user

https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=1209091

He is probably testing his datacenter it has some spare load to spend

[vital swan]

What happened there?

[fickle needle]

No clue dog, I’m guessing I just got a lucky string of tasks

I’m using an account manager for BOINC (science united) so I’m guessing they just switched me to a project that works better with my GPU

[hushed bobcat]

3.5mil isn't alot

unless thats all CPU

https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=903807

now THAT might be a datacenter

64million points on the 23rd

[vital swan]

But it is not mil, it is billion.

[hushed bobcat]

O_o

my apologies you are quite correct

[vital swan]

No problem (:

[hushed bobcat]

so yesterday LTT as a whole did 705mil PPD

this guy is doing what 5x that?

i did some quick math

according to the Folding Lar database the Nvidia A6000 puts out 5.833 mil ppd while pulling 300w

thats 19,445 ppd per watt

if my math is right hes pulling 187,326.2 watts to put out those numbers

[timber swift]

Man coulda got an LTT Forum Diamond badge in 12 hours, jesus christ

[hushed bobcat]

shame they stopped

though it is understandable

[vital swan]

I would have loved to see Linus benchmark the 70k EK Machine with folding.

[humble rover]

⁉️ oh

[viscid garnet]

@everyone

[rough sleet]

XD

ye thats the one

[humble rover]

ooooo its happening

[ripe tangle]

better go catch it

[fickle needle]

I managed to pick up a surplus GPU at work, turns out it’s a Geforce GT 210, prolly won’t be folding much

[humble rover]

Im almost certain thats too old lol

[vital swan]

That thing must have the low end look

[sonic token]

one of the worst GPUs ever made

lol

[fickle needle]

I saved itfrom the ewaste pile, but its somehow still ewasts

[mystic citrus]

send pcie connectors and gt 210 to 1985 and it won't be ewaste

first you invent time travel though

[fickle needle]

Use the 210 to develop time travel

[hushed bobcat]

The 210 is so slow buy the time it calculates how to do time travel, we'll already have time travel

[fickle needle]

Lol

[empty crypt]

Lol

[spiral osprey]

Buy the time? do you have any Money?

[rich depot]

Anyone around to sanity check for me?

https://stats.foldingathome.org/os

This is 192.5 petaFLOPS right? The folding network?

@hushed bobcat @timber swift @humble rover

[humble rover]

19 petaflops

F@H as a whole was pushing ~100PFLOPS at the height of the pandemic iirc?

[rich depot]

duh, shifting decimals in my brain lmfao

talking to my tech guy he agrees its 192.5 pFLOP seeing as that chart equals 192,492 tFLOPS

[humble rover]

Oh idk then lol ampere inflation 📈

[rich depot]

ikr

think about that for a min though... pushing on 200 pFLOP

[rich depot]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1458969-ltt-official-folding-month-v-2022

[timber swift]

10x that, as a matter of fact. F@H hit an Exaflop, or 1000 petaflops, or 1,000,000 teraflops.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.27.175430v3.full?lng=en-US

[humble rover]

Thought march was peak 😅

[timber swift]

"Given the above, we conservatively estimate the peak performance of Folding@home hit 1.01 exaFLOPS. This performance was achieved at a point when ∼280,000 GPUs and 4.8 million CPU cores were performing simulations. As explained in the Methods, to be conservative about our claims, we assume that each GPU/CPU has worse performance than a card released before 2015"

[rich depot]

What I have learned is not to read numbers after midnight lmfao

[humble rover]

Man what WCG doin

[rich depot]

Can anyone help me get a folding month shout out? https://linustechtips.com/topic/1458969-ltt-official-folding-month-v-2022/

[hushed bobcat]

woo new folding month

[rare rune]

I doubt many Europeans are going to participate 😂

[vital swan]

Indeed ;_;

This is so sad

[rich depot]

why's it sad

[fickle needle]

Update, cobbled a PC together out of trash and it is BOINCing, I’m amazed there are projects that will hand out GPU tasks for a 210 but here we are

[keen field]

Glad you are finding enjoyment in this activity, however I doubt folding on a 210 is efficient or worth it at all...

That is pretty cool though, nice.

[rich depot]

I wonder how good the new ARC 750/770 will be for folding
never dabbled in it before and dont know much about it but if they'd be decent i might get into it

[humble rover]

Got sniped on a 3090 for folding month PepeHands

[fickle needle]

The folds/$ are off the chart lol

[keen field]

I mean hey

If it works it works I guess

[humble rover]

Might pick up an aorus master 3080? lmao its so chonky

Four slots of fah 😎

[hushed bobcat]

i know the 3000 series is beast for folding

ive been looking at getting an ARC gpu to replace an aging GTX 660 Ti in a PC that really just needs a video output

does F@H even support ARC?

[humble rover]

No, the forum thinks it won't even do FP64 well. Besides it's not even on the whitelist yet and no kernel support for a bit?

[foggy stratus]

I think folding is best optimized to use CUDA cores so I think ARC GPUs might not be able to be as efficient ad Nvidia GPUs for the same power consumption. But since you want to replace a GTX660 TI, a very old GPU, the ARC GPU should most probably be able to perform better.
But the thing comes that if you are looking for a new GPU to fold, stick to the 3000 series, the RTX 3070 is the most efficient desktop GPU for folding and if you want to go lower, you can get a 3060.

[foggy stratus]

I think the ARC GPUs can fold like the AMD ones on the OpenCL platform.

[humble rover]

🙂

Now to revive the Pascal rig

[hushed bobcat]

RIP EVGA

[lavish spear]

yo what is boincing

sounds funny but what the hel is it

[prisma saddle]

@lavish spear BOINC is basically a program that is made to subscribe to one or more projects and asks them if there are any work you can do for those projects. The program will then fetch work orders, download needed files, run the programs and send the results back again.

It is basically the same as Folding@Home but is made like a more generic solution that works for lot of projects

[humble rover]

https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/BOINC-Berkeley-Open-Infrastructure-for-Network-Computing

[lavish spear]

so its basically processing power for researchers

[humble rover]

Yes

[prisma saddle]

Well, not always researchers. There was some project where people wanted to search for specific Minecraft seeds which used BOINC. But yeah, primarily used for research but can be used for anything really where it makes sense to split a given problem into a lot of smaller projects which can be distributed 🙂

[rich depot]

So LTT just donated 2kUSD in folding month prizes https://linustechtips.com/topic/1458969-ltt-official-folding-month-v-2022

[humble rover]

😮

[rich depot]

Ikr

[unkempt delta]

Seems cool. Throwing the space heater on low for a month as winter comes doesnt seem like an inconvenience either

[nova hollow]

Does Nvidia's hash rate nerf impact Folding@home? Task manager only reports around 20% GPU utilisation, but even at that alleged usage level, my 3070 is a very spicy boi

It's only slightly choked by my sound card, so I don't think the temperatures are caused by airflow issues.

[humble rover]

It wouldn't no, LHR and non LHR are usually within earshot on ppd depending on tune

What's your power setting on the client?

[nova hollow]

At high, it doesn't surpass 21% usage

But I keep it at medium because power bills.

Here's a screenshot I just took for it:

I know that it crashed the other day while I was away, but my CPU stabilised in temperature between 70 and 80 degrees after 6 hours while the 3070's hotspot was at uncomfortably high temperatures.

Maybe I'm just being silly.

[humble rover]

Oh windows task manager never reports gpu usage properly

Fired up a WU to see

[nova hollow]

Oh, I guess task manager is just kinda useless in general then for tracking usage lol

Thanks for the help

[hushed bobcat]

Sometimes you can change a graph in task manager to get the true reading

Usually called cuda_0 or 1

Possibly compute_0 or 1

[humble rover]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1458969-ltt-official-folding-month-v-2022/?do=findComment&comment=15623986

https://linustechtips.com/uploads/monthly_2022_10/IMG_20221026_102517.thumb.jpg.a77dd1b9a55f048b10b59942e8384076.jpg

[humble rover]

Had nothing to lose by trying so I ran Fah, it didn't detect the card.
😩

[vital swan]

By design it can’t be used for FAH

FAH requires FP64 calculations

And this is not supported by the ARC GPUs

[humble rover]

Last weekend of gaming before everything gets dedicated to the fold 😔

[foggy stratus]

To see the actual GPU usage in the Task Manager while folding, do this:
https://imgur.com/gallery/aU0j5ln

[humble rover]

🚨 30 minutes to folding month start 🚨

[humble rover]

Is anyone having issues with double entries in HFM, or is that just because of my intervals?

[vital swan]

Why so sad, it’s great to donate to science.

[humble rover]

$999 7900XTX 🇼

Hope people get those folding

[rich depot]

Joys of being a streamer, you always have to make time to game

[granite kernel]

sry to be slightly off topic but what is this channel and more specifically what is folding and or boinic

[humble rover]

https://foldingathome.org/about-2/

https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/BOINC-Berkeley-Open-Infrastructure-for-Network-Computing

[granite kernel]

ok ty

[hushed bobcat]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2130-day-three-almost-two-and-half-billion/

I made it to the top 50 WOOO

[humble rover]

We hit the same WU number 😂 last year we were hovering around 10k

[vale goblet]

I would love to help with F@H but I use my computer for work. The company doesn't allow it.

[rich depot]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2131-day-four-well-the-points-start-comin-and-they-dont-stop-comin/

[hushed bobcat]

@rich depot as for your request on the blog

I do have a little bit of hardware laying around, a GTX 970, 2 P106-90's, and a dual Xeon 2667 v2 board

i also have a P4 accelerator in the mail thats supposed to arrive next Thursday

if i got all that going we might be talking another 1-1.2mil ppd out of me

not sure how much of a dent that would make toward the billion you want

[humble rover]

We the smol fish outside the top 10 😅

[hushed bobcat]

yea

another reason to do it is that should comfortably keep me in the top 50

which is my main goal

[humble rover]

We stil have 4 weeks to go, might be worth a shot

[rich depot]

Showing my age here, I see p4 and instantly think pentium

[humble rover]

https://folding.lar.systems/league/

[humble rover]

Gonna keep doing it cause its nice seeing unicorn 🙂

[humble rover]

Random thought but would ordering the newest sheets at the front of the queue not default it to open the workbook on the current day? 🤔
edit: nvm tried it with my sheets, its hyperlinked to the individual sheet

[vital swan]

My thoughts 🤣

[hushed bobcat]

yea nvidia keeps changing their naming schemes for their commercial stuff and its SUPER annoying

[rich depot]

It really is

[hushed bobcat]

alright i think its time to put the rest of my hardware into service
chaozbandit passed me and i dont like it 😉

[hushed bobcat]

That's so awful it's beautiful

If I can get it all working it should be 1-1.2mill ppd

[hushed bobcat]

wooo go baby go

PPD is still stabilizing, but it looks to be around 1.4 mil

though i did notice 2 WU's are Unicorns

ohh hey i didnt notice this

i passed a billion points contributed to LTT

[hushed bobcat]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2134-day-seven-igor-falters/

[rich depot]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2135-day-eight-storm-igor-is-fizzling-out/

[humble rover]

Starting to get real tedious having to scroll all the way to the right and its only been a week 😅

[hushed bobcat]

unfortunately the Tesla P4 wont be folding

it nearly bricked my main desktop

and now i put it in the temp folding server and its not being detected at all

i know it has its own set of drivers, but i figured it would atleast do something with the regular nvidia drivers

i would have to put it in its own system, and that system would have to have onboard video (the tesla has no display outputs)

shame

[gray agate]

Hey there, I’m kinda new here and this channel caught my eye. I have no idea what it is and Google isn’t being particularly helpful, could someone possibly explain?

[humble rover]

We do citizen science in these parts! Donating spare cycles to medical sciences

https://foldingathome.org/about-2/

https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/BOINC-Berkeley-Open-Infrastructure-for-Network-Computing

[gray agate]

Oh wow, that’s really interesting! I’m surprised I’ve never heard of this, it seems really smart now that I think about it. Definitely something I’ll consider contributing to one day, thank you.

[humble rover]

Obligatory shout to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU4qOebhkfs

LTT has been in the game for a long while before the pandemic tho

Also research papers from contributed data here https://foldingathome.org/papers-results/?lng=en

[gray agate]

Oh wow that’s amazing- yeah this is DEFINITELY something I think I’ll get into once I actually have substantial hardware. Still surprised I haven’t heard of it until now, but better late than never.

[hushed bobcat]

You don't really need "substantial" hardware

You can fold on pretty much any CPU or GPU made in the last 10 years

Though my personal thought is don't fold on laptops or anything older than GTX 10 series and Haswell

The former because most laptops just aren't made for 24/7 full load and the latter for power efficiency

[gray agate]

Oh that’s nice to know then, however at present all I have to my name is a laptop. But I do plan on looking back into this once I get a pc built.

[vital swan]

I find the Wikipedia article really well written. If I have to explain folding to someone I first link to the wiki and after that to the official page.

[gray agate]

Okay thank you, I’ll check it out

[fickle needle]

it's beautiful

[hushed bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1039720468866928690/1039735594324082758/image.png

[humble rover]

i love P18601 i love P18601 i love P18601 i love P18601 i love P18601 i love P18601

I would dualboot linux if I didnt need my pc for other stuff during lol

[hushed bobcat]

everything but my main rig is Linux

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2136-day-nine-hes-only-gone-and-done-it/

Barely holding onto 50th

man if i could've gotten that Tesla P4 working I might be able to break 6mil PPD

my client says 6mil Estimated right now though...

[humble rover]

Lucky 😎

[hushed bobcat]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2137-day-ten-silent-night-folding-night-all-is-calm/

[thin bear]

Is folding better than BOINC?

I’ve donated over 5000 hours of BOINC

I can always do both

[vital swan]

It is different

Since all is science it doesn’t matter

The more science, the better it is!

[humble rover]

Different objectives. There may be projects you want to support in boinc that aren't available elsewhere but lots of overlap. I tend to do both just for hardware availability

[hushed bobcat]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2138-day-eleven-our-little-boy-is-all-grown-up/

[humble rover]

Finally reverse sort sheets 😅

[fickle needle]

I’ve had better luck with BOINC accepting my Jank old GPUs but that’s the only difference I’ve noticed

[thin bear]

Eh power doesn't matter

I'm doing this on a bare metal server

[fickle needle]

Cool, just CPU?

[hushed bobcat]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2139-day-twelve-miker07-thinks-hes-being-sneaky-we-are-on-to-you/

[humble rover]

1b points update 🥳

Flurries today, hoping the folding room gets a deep chill

[fickle needle]

Shovel the snow right into the room

[humble rover]

Another billion update 🎉 https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2140-day-thirteen-miker-makes-a-move/

[hushed bobcat]

points are going to suffer today, internet went out for 12 hours

[outer oracle]

wht is folding and boinc nd how do i do it

[hushed bobcat]

https://foldingathome.org/about-2/

https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/BOINC-Berkeley-Open-Infrastructure-for-Network-Computing

[vital swan]

There should be a pinned post, for those who are unable to use google

[rich depot]

if I fold on my laptop will it thermal throttle

[hushed bobcat]

I don't recommend folding on a laptop

Usually they can't take a sustained high load

Also tends to murder the battery

[fickle needle]

Oh god, I certainly wouldn’t folding on a laptop that isn’t plugged in

[hushed bobcat]

plugging in will murder the battery too

because it will just rapidly charge and discharge the same cell over and over wearing it out

and when that cell goes bad it will just move onto the next cell

then before you know it your battery is only at half capacity

[humble rover]

Meanwhile 😅

https://linustechtips.com/uploads/monthly_2022_11/P_20221114_120140.jpg.fc21d62f30e1239a53fa99ef0b388a6f.jpg

[echo prairie]

How do I join the LTT team?

Ignore me, I read the description

Is it possible to make F@H hit harder? I wanna warm up my room lol

I am using the highest mode but I still see a lot of room on the table
It uses my CPU more than my GPU

[humble rover]

Not really, its luck of the draw with what work unit you get on the gpu and you can try to load up the cpu with multiple instances but its not really worth it

[hushed bobcat]

it should hit the GPU to 100% and around 80-95% CPU

[humble rover]

inb4 wtm

[hushed bobcat]

wtm?

[humble rover]

windows task manager

[hushed bobcat]

yea thats what i figured he was using

[echo prairie]

Afraid it is using 100% CPU and 25% of my GPU. xD

And my CPU doesn't get hot with the beast water cooler I have.

[hushed bobcat]

how are you measuring GPU usage?

[echo prairie]

WTM

[hushed bobcat]

task manager doesnt report correctly for Folding

[echo prairie]

Oh.

[hushed bobcat]

you need something like MSI Afterburner

or change the graph in task manager

[humble rover]

or EVGA precision 🙂

[hushed bobcat]

any 3rd party tool will work

[echo prairie]

Eh, all I need it to do is just warm my room up. lol

Though is it possible to do one part of the work and let another computer do the rest?

[hushed bobcat]

no

[echo prairie]

Or does my machine have to do it fully?

[hushed bobcat]

your machine has to complete the WU assigned to it

[humble rover]

Oh you mean switch computers? No you cant partition it like that

[echo prairie]

[humble rover]

You can have cpu/gpu finish independently on the same system

[hushed bobcat]

yes you can pause and unpause each slot individually

@echo prairie if you want to see your CPU usage in task manager it might work if you change one of the charts

[echo prairie]

Eh, the usage I am not bothered about.

The machine still runs fast which is plenty for what I need it to do.

[hushed bobcat]

👍

[echo prairie]

Okay... I can confirm F@H does not work as a space heater.

Games output more heat than this, I am honestly surprised...

[hushed bobcat]

That should not be the case

I suggest using a tool that actually tells you power consumption of your CPU and GPU

MSI afterburner, HWInfo64, and probably EVGA precision X would work

[vital swan]

It does, you just need the hardware 😬

[echo prairie]

Power consumption is 700watts.

[echo prairie]

If an Intel i7 9900k and Nvidia RTX 2070 SUPER is not the hardware... I don't know what it needs then lol

[vital swan]

Alright, normal space heaters have at least 2000w, mostly more

So two or three of these cards would be suitable:)

[echo prairie]

But games generate more heat. :)

[vital swan]

How should that work

[echo prairie]

[vital swan]

Folding will draw constantly nearly full power

[humble rover]

FAH generates 2-3c more load on my GPUs than a gaming load would

[echo prairie]

Maybe F@H doesn't actually use my GPU then? But then again... last time I played games, my radiator was spitting some serious heat while playing Apex Legends lol...

[humble rover]

If you arent monitoring it you cant say for certain, but it should be >95% usage

[echo prairie]

CPU was 100%, couldn't monitor my GPU, WTM was reporting 25%

I was able to play games while F@H too, albeit with random freezes.

[humble rover]

WTM is unable to report usage properly, you need a 3rd party utility

[humble rover]

This is nominal

[vital swan]

Use OHM or hardware info or gpuz

WTM is the worst software for monitoring gpu load

It can’t event display a temperature

[echo prairie]

I am not gonna fold anymore, when I finished folding it didn't give me my Internet points.

No point.

[vital swan]

How many WUs did you fold

[humble rover]

[echo prairie]

Ignore that, they came in now.

[humble rover]

Make sure you have your FAHControl set to full power if you want the most usage

[echo prairie]

It was.

Setting it to light now since I only want to use my CPU.

[vital swan]

Gpu gives you more points per used power

[hushed bobcat]

Yes GPU's are way more efficient

However it's not a bad thing to use you CPU

Some tasks can only be done on a CPU

[hushed bobcat]

wait, the 4090 is 24.5mil ppd?

the 3090 Ti is only 10mil ppd...

a mere 5 4090's and you'd be a top contributor in this event 🤣

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2143-day-sixteen-cbigfoot-turns-his-hand-at-writing/

[humble rover]

Yep 4090 stonks are real, you just risk burning your card down

[humble rover]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2144-day-seventeen-tired-spec-today/

Another bn day

[hushed bobcat]

Wonder when we'll see 4080 numbers

[proper holly]

What is this channel for? Those words make no sense

[vital swan]

It is about Folding@Home

And BOINC

[hushed bobcat]

https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/BOINC-Berkeley-Open-Infrastructure-for-Network-Computing

[vital swan]

Make this a pinned post

[humble rover]

Might as well change the channel description while you're at it 😅

[vital swan]

It’s a bit annoying that even the simples question can’t be answered by own effort

[hushed bobcat]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2146-day-twenty-two-billion/

[thorny agate]

[rich depot]

what is folding and boinc

[hushed bobcat]

the answer is literally 6 posts up

[vital swan]

Oh please stop

[rich depot]

Oh mb, I missed that

[vital swan]

Fold the shit out of that thing

[vital swan]

Imagine what a 4090 looks like

[humble rover]

📈

[hushed bobcat]

according to Folding.lar.systems website a 4090 averages 25.5mil PPD

[humble rover]

Just ask alex on the forum 😂 literally stonks on his chart

[humble rover]

https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=862394

[hushed bobcat]

right now my folding setup consists of
1 GTX 1080 Ti
4 P106-90's
1 GTX 970
1 GTX 1070
1 RTX 3060 Ti
1 Ryzen R5 3600 (9 threads)

[vital swan]

I know. In-sane!

[hushed bobcat]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2149-day-twenty-three-the-final-battle-for-the-throne/

[grizzled frigate]

I've join the team this morning and discorvered this like 3 days ago....glad to join the cause ^^ thats whats make my come back to the discord ^^

[humble rover]

Oops didnt get a merch message through cause I checked out with paypal? aw man

[keen field]

Do any of you guys know of a solution to this? My BOINC tasks sometimes just stop at like 99% (extremely infuriating) and start the next tasks. When I suspend those tasks, it just starts new ones. Is there a way to resume those old tasks or do I just have to wait for the queue to clear for those nearly-complete tasks to be worked on?

[humble rover]

Try adjusting your cpu idle% or how much work you hold at one time? Idk Ive never done that project

[keen field]

cpu idle%?

[humble rover]

The % you set for when boinc will start doing work, idk if the download is affecting it

[keen field]

oh

Alright guess we'll see

[slim mortar]

Holy crap

[humble rover]

🥳

I might lose my top50 placing ThisIsFine.jpeg

[nova hollow]

Nice

I had to turn off folding on my CPU because my PC kept rebooting.

I might turn it back on after Folding month is over to get it to reboot and take a look at event viewer, but between work and games with friends I just couldn't be bothered.

[humble rover]

https://tenor.com/view/europe-the-final-countdown-80s-music-new-years-eve-hair-band-gif-19757498

[humble rover]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2157-day-thirty-four-its-the-final-countdown/

[waxen latch]

tf is folding

[nova hollow]

Look at the pinned messages.

[humble rover]

Its over 🥳

[humble rover]

https://foldingathome.org/about-2/

[waxen latch]

no

[humble rover]

No u

[waxen latch]

no u x2

[dusky jungle]

Recently got a new PC with specs that faaar exceed anything I reasonably would do with it, so I guess I'm getting back into folding!

[humble rover]

Dont forget to download the extension!

[hushed bobcat]

extension is pretty good

[boreal otter]

Which extension?

[hushed bobcat]

https://folding.lar.systems/#get_FITDAT

the chrome extension works on Chromium for Linux as well

[keen field]

So, my F@H Control app has been stuck on Connecting for probably about 2 weeks now, I've closed and reopened it many times using task manager, but to no avail. How do I fix this?

[humble rover]

Updates?

Or try full reinstall

Is your FAHClient running

[keen field]

I mean, I can't interact with anything, all of the tabs under settings are gone

I'm checking the online controls

[humble rover]

If the service isnt running you can't access via Control

[keen field]

I mean

I don't understand how it could be running if it's on "Connecting" status

I might just need to reinstall

[humble rover]

What happens if you run FAHClient.exe

[humble rover]

Try rebooting?

[keen field]

ok

That did it

[dusky jungle]

Has anyone else run into this issue? I noticed the CPU workunit has been slow ever since I started, but I never actually bothered to check task manager. I finally did, and F@H is only utilizing 38% of my I5-13600K (win11)

meanwhile it's utilizing the GPU just fine at 100%

[humble rover]

FAH does funny things if you dont leave threads free for the OS, or if you use a suboptimal thread count

[pine portal]

have you tried checking the cpu core graphs?

i believe we have the same issue. was about to ask my own question but our problem looks similar. it looks like FAH is running on the E cores only, despite cranking my power slider to Full

anyone know why its happening, and if theres a fix?

I'm thinking maybe because i'm still using windows 10? perhaps the new scheduler in windows 11 would fix this? idk

@dusky jungle are you on win 10 or 11?

oh nvm i guess that is win 11 in ur screenshot

so its not because im on win 10

[humble rover]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2159-folding-month-v-awards-ceremony/

[sly cosmos]

whats this

[vital swan]

Google reels you everything you need

Or the pinned post

[humble rover]

A channel for science

[sly cosmos]

science 100000 dolars

[maiden haven]

Has it been confirmed that F@H has definitively contributed to accelerating the search for cures?

[nova hollow]

They have a page of projects they've contributed to. I can't grab it for you right now since my break just ended, but the information is out there.

[maiden haven]

like the wikipedia article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folding@home

[humble rover]

You can read academic papers here https://foldingathome.org/papers-results/?lng=en

Also happy new years folding fam

[rough gate]

What is folding and boinc google is unclear

[humble rover]

Distributed computing for science/medicine

https://foldingathome.org/about-2/

[rough gate]

Oh so your creating cures for diseases using computers?

[humble rover]

We are researching them, yes

[rough gate]

That's cool

[vital swan]

But didn’t you come across a Wikipedia article? This should have explained everything

[ruby raft]

Is it a good idea to do folding on my ryzen 9 3900x?

or just stick to gpu folding

[hushed bobcat]

certain tasks can only be done by CPU

so CPU folding is appreciated

but GPU folding is insanely more efficient and points per day

assuming your CPU and GPU are in the same generation

[ruby raft]

i got a 3060

[hushed bobcat]

https://folding.lar.systems/cpu_ppd/brands/amd/folding_profile/amd_ryzen_9_3900x_12-core_processor

https://folding.lar.systems/gpu_ppd/brands/nvidia/folding_profile/ga104_geforce_rtx_3060

[humble rover]

I wouldn't say its a good idea if you're looking purely for points, but no harm contributing for the science

[late comet]

This is a pretty cool project, how does it apply all the different characteristics of each Amino Acid?

[still zealot]

Can someone explain whats folding and boinc?

[nova hollow]

This

[humble rover]

There are dozens of concurrent projects ongoing at any given time, but you can read backgrounds on each individual project here (each will be targeting a different field/research goal). There are papers and blog posts for further reading as a whole

https://stats.foldingathome.org/project

Actually LARs is probably easier on the eyes lol https://folding.lar.systems/projects/

[serene dagger]

Also sidenote: if you're folding, his plugin for chromium browsers would be a good idea to use. It shows more info than the usual f@h web panel and also contributes to his database of gpu/cpu ppd and efficiency as well as project info

[vital swan]

Unfortunately I had the problem that it takes a lot of cpu resources. I don’t know whether it was a problem of these two systems or if this is the normal behavior

[rich depot]

Where do I find the stats

[hushed bobcat]

what stats

[vital swan]

https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/aggregate_summary.php?s=

Or

https://stats.foldingathome.org/donor

[humble rover]

https://youtu.be/nr4kmlTr9xw&t=957

Yoooo a shoutout

[vital swan]

Well it’s a shoutout, from that 17min video it is just like 2 mins?

That’s nothing

[nova hollow]

It's better than nothing, but it would be nice if it were promoted a bit more.

[languid flame]

https://stats.foldingathome.org/donor/id/84420
Pog! There I am, Sweclockers.Com
Such effort, wow.

[fickle needle]

Frankly that garage rack machine idea was so half baked that I’m happy Folding wasn’t a huge part of it

Just have your workbench indoors fgs

[sleek socket]

Did some hacking on one of those weird Chinese "X79" mining boards, powering 3x RTX 3060 after unleashing the full power of the CPU

Stock bios would only allow 2 cores, modded it so that all cores can be enabled

[hushed bobcat]

I've found on later gpus you really need 2 cores per GPU

2 modern cores at that

If I recall xeon v2 is ivy bridge

[sleek socket]

yes it is

Its a bit slower compared to a 3060 on a 9400F but hey I saved this board from the E-waste pile

I don't expect people resorting to these boards to have much high end GPUs anyway

[delicate shoal]

GTX1050 ti VS GTX1650
wich one is better?

[humble rover]

1650 yields more points

https://folding.lar.systems/gpu_ppd/brands/nvidia/

[vital swan]

Definitely 1650. more points for same wattage

[lapis gulch]

couldn't find much about it online, but what exactly are they?

https://foldingathome.org/support/faq/installation-guides/configuration-guide/?lng=en assuming it has nothing to do with big adv?

[humble rover]

What are what? bigadv is a legacy cpu flag

[sudden oriole]

What is this channel for?

I'm new here

sorry

[cerulean light]

its bascily crypto mining but instead of attempting to make money, the computer is solving problems which help cure dieases

[scarlet oxide]

are people still folding nowadays? I thought AI is now better at finding new proteins

[humble rover]

Just a few people

Machine learning is useful but you can't achieve the same level of rapid research

[tiny beacon]

Would this channel also be ok for discussion of the GIMPS project?

https://www.mersenne.org/ context lol

[humble rover]

Not what its for

[fickle needle]

I’m always down to talk about GIMPS

If I bring up World Community Grid is it just a permaban?

[devout plank]

Would folding be a good way to heat my room?
I don't have a heatpump, so I figure running my GPU would be a more productive way instead of (or supplementing) my resistive heating.

[tiny beacon]

I heat up my room in a similar way, and it works alright but it's no replacement for a proper heater or good insulation

I'd say go for it and if it doesn't work then at least you've contributed to folding

[fickle needle]

I certainly heat my room with folding

Has anyone experienced where their GPU dissipates less heat when folding as compared to gaming?

[cerulean light]

is there any major cons with protein folding?

Like what if the simulation fails or is just inncorrect?

[hushed bobcat]

I believe it's double checked on there end

Or the same job is sent to several people and the results are compared

[humble rover]

The second part, each variant has several redundant units

You can see on the FAH site when someone fails and it gets reassigned

[polar shell]

Besides heat and power not really

[hushed bobcat]

20mil from 1 card?

ridiculous

[gray trellis]

is this the folding@home interface? never seen anything like this for boinc.

[hushed bobcat]

Yes

[cerulean light]

For school, I had to make a website explaning what protein folding is, and it looks ligit like a 2004 website

[humble rover]

In their defence, it used to look a lot worse 😅

[midnight ocean]

bruh 17mil point with the rtx 4080 xD meanwhile the gtx 1070 lol I exist too

[hushed bobcat]

I had a 1080 Ti before so I feel you

Actually that 4080 more than doubles everything in my house combined

While drawing 1/6 the power

[midnight ocean]

removed the CPUs wall meter says 1000w draw xD idle was like 450w with all of my setup

[timber swift]

Can you send me one? for science (literally)

[carmine lotus]

wait how do you get it to use the gpu? i only have an option for the cpu

nvm just downloaded the updated client

836,369 ppd for cpu, 3,823,712 ppd for gpu. not sure how this compares but seems decent

does that ppd change constantly? im guessing its just an estimate since this is my first time running it since 2020, especially since im on entirely new hardware compared to last time

[hushed bobcat]

ppd is an estimate based on how fast you are completing the current WU

[carmine lotus]

i see

it didnt seem to be making my hardware work to the max tho, thats on purpose im guessing? ive seen my cpu hit 112w (although 100w folding is max) but my gpu was only using 240w (and ive seen 300-320w)

[hushed bobcat]

that depends on your exact hardware and OC settings

for example my old 1080 Ti could have a power target of 150%, but folding rarely ever used more than 100%

[midnight ocean]

Got to send this Alienware 14 gtx 765m out in style for science lol

[humble rover]

For anyone who wants a ballpark comparison of PPD, not taking into account your OC/power limits

https://folding.lar.systems/

[untold robin]

Hi, I have a decent computer, and I was wondering what folding is, could anyone help me?

[hushed bobcat]

https://foldingathome.org/?lng=en-US

https://foldingathome.org/diseases/?lng=en-US

[untold robin]

Thanks

[midnight ocean]

Was still able to play beat saber and didn’t even notice xD until my steam menu was laggy when not playing a game lmao rtx 2070 super goes brrr lol

[hushed bobcat]

yea if you have enough power you can play games while folding

[analog steeple]

I started up BOINC again and am now doing work for MilkyWay@home

this thing awards credit like an old video game

been going at it for about 16 hours and have 183k credits

[midnight ocean]

Top 10k donos lets go lol

Ya can tell im on much better hardware these days then when i used to fold with PCMR 5+ years ago lol

[grizzled frigate]

should i continu folding at home?

[humble rover]

Thats more an "up to you" thing, maybe drop the cpu

[midnight ocean]

I only Fold on GPU
CPU kinda useless

[grizzled frigate]

i was doing it on both..gpu and cpu...so i dont think it was useless

[midnight ocean]

doesn't get that many points compared to a GPU

[grizzled frigate]

yeah that whats ive see....but who cares......the point is to help science the more we can, nope?

[midnight ocean]

like a gtx 1070 getting me like 1 mil points vs like 50k-100k from a CPU

CPU is just not as efficient as a GPU

Id rather use 300w on my RTX 4080 and get 9.4 mil than 300w on my i9 13900kf getting like 100k or whatever it gets cause idk but def isn't 9.4mil lol

[grizzled frigate]

im pretty sure i was helping science with the differrence.....i think my first quest its complete

[hushed bobcat]

As far as I understand there are some WU that can only be completed by CPU

So doing some CPU folding is definitely not useless

However it is WAY less PPD per watt than GPU folding

[pine portal]

its less efficient but still better than nothing

[spiral pollen]

Every little helps with F@H, and it's not like it's a competition, the PPD you're getting is just a measure of how good your system is at doing the work assigned

[rich depot]

Not just that. But there are some workunits that can only be done with the extended instructon set that is offered by a CPU

[humble rover]

https://twitter.com/WCGrid/status/1635710894104510466

World Community Grid (@WCGrid)

The website has been restarted and we are working on rebuilding the science database so BOINC can restart soon.
Read more here: https://t.co/SpvclQr3Ho

Twitter · Mar 14, 2023, 6:34 PM

[rich depot]

I would like to repair an old computer and use it for folding

[pine portal]

someone give me free rtx 4090ti so i can fold for the sake of science

[midnight ocean]

6969

[pine portal]

nice

[humble rover]

Nice

[warm peak]

guess how im gonna use my gaming laptop

now what is this

[prisma saddle]

https://foldingathome.org/support/faq/points/passkey/?lng=en-US

[warm peak]

ok solved it

[humble rover]

Dont forget to sign up for a team

[rich depot]

The Linus Tech Tips Folding Team is a group of Folding@home volunteers who have joined together to contribute their processing power to the project. The team is named after the popular technology YouTube channel, and is one of the largest Folding@home teams in the world. The Linus Tech Tips Folding Team is always looking for new members to join their ranks and help contribute to important scientific research. If you're interested in joining the team, all you need to do is download the Folding@home software and enter the team number (223518) when prompted. By joining the Linus Tech Tips Folding Team, you can help make a difference in the fight against diseases such as Alzheimer's, cancer, and COVID-19, while also being part of a friendly and supportive community of like-minded individuals.

[rich depot]

for some reason world community grid newer starts any computation. It's stuck at 0 tasks

[humble rover]

What projects are you subscribed to?

[rich depot]

world communiy grid and milkway

[humble rover]

Cant speak for the latter, but I know WCG had a hardware failure a while back and sometimes sporadically issues batches of units

[rich depot]

@steel arch sorry to tag, this doesn't seem to fit the theme of the channel

[pine portal]

i thought the theme was aggressive advertisement

https://tenor.com/view/what-gif-25726276

[prisma saddle]

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/article.s?articleId=780

And latest news about the situation on the forum:

March 27, 2023 update

Data transfer to new storage system
We have started transferring all data from the recovery storage unit to our new storage system on Friday. Based on the current rate of transfer, we expect to have all data transferred/verified later this week. We will then download all processed WUs, after which we can resume sending work units to volunteers. We plan to start with MCM and OPN/OPNG; followed by ARP and then the new SCC work units.

In the meantime, we have confirmed that our daily database backups for BOINC and for the website/forums are working. The databases have been recovered and transferred to the new, faster storage already. Incremental backup to tape archive has been implemented on the new storage.
https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,45101

[humble rover]

Pog cant wait to get back to OPN

[rich depot]

EOC down for anyone else?

[floral plume]

Has anybody setup a BOINC project/server (to distribute work)? If so how much work is it? They claim here https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/BoincOverview approx one month sysadmin setup, one month programming + some web development.

[fickle needle]

Lol, tbh I like BOINC precisely because someone else provides the work

[hybrid sapphire]

Wow, I had no idea that the World Community Grid was still an operating thing. I was part of its creation.

BOINC, indirectly, as well

[waxen oasis]

Is folding still alive? I heard a rumor they killed it

[humble rover]

It is very alive, it just doesnt get mainstream news coverage which is the norm

https://twitter.com/drGregBowman/status/1643259738132733954

Greg Bowman (@drGregBowman)

Our review of the scientific and technical achievements from the @foldingathome distributed computing platform is live! Thanks to all the citizen scientists who made this work possible over the past 20+ years!
https://t.co/0t8qbBg9S3

Twitter · Apr 4, 2023, 2:30 PM

[vital swan]

WHO rumored this. Every body that is just a bit in touch with it knows it is alive

[waxen oasis]

Aight, guess I’ll download it

I can’t afford to donate to science but I can afford to run folding

[vital swan]

That’s absolutely my pov

The current folding power is not at the highest point ever but on this constant level higher than ever before

[fickle needle]

I mean, even if F@H wrapped up, BOINC is still going strong

[bleak spoke]

Also: I really like that BOINC is also available on Android

[rich depot]

dont forget the boinc event coming up, will try to remember to drop a link later, as folding team leader I encourage all folders to support our sister DC team in smashing the competition

[rich depot]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1500569-boinc-pentathlon-2023/

[humble rover]

In for marathon! Hoping for SiDock again but it probably wont be 😂

[winter lily]

i thought this was like a quirky channel name like misspelling of bionic

[fickle needle]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-hell-gif-13171534

Bionic is just a corruption of BOINC

[rich depot]

​
guys, can you let @Ithanul know if you will be participating in the pent this year https://linustechtips.com/topic/1500569-boinc-pentathlon-2023/

​

[rich depot]

First boinc project announced, yoyo@home ECM and ECM P2 sub projects

[rich depot]

https://linustechtips.com/status/333533/

[rich depot]

What the crap is that channel ?

[prisma saddle]

Which channel?

[rich depot]

that one

[rich depot]

@proven marlin can you accept my Friend request

[proven marlin]

Not much longer till the event starts! Come on folks. Lets make some heat!

[humble rover]

Heckin hecc it do the start

[humble rover]

Thats a lotta ram

[long sparrow]

how many people overall do we think are involved so far. hoping the announcement on WAN adds more people. definitely got me into the ring.

[rich depot]

thank you for joining! I'm the guy handling prizes, dont forget to sign up on the google form here https://linustechtips.com/topic/1500569-boinc-pentathlon-2023/

also follow these guides to make sure you are working on the right projects: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1500569-boinc-pentathlon-2023/page/2/#comment-15923153

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1500569-boinc-pentathlon-2023/#comment-15919629

[long sparrow]

Thank you for the links! I think I am all setup, but will double check.

[rich depot]

guides have been moved to their own threads,

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1505289-boinc-pentathlon-2023-city-run-primegrid/#comment-15923153

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1505288-boinc-pentathlon-2023-obstacle-run-yoyohome/#comment-15919629

[next monolith]

How do I join the boinc team?

[rich depot]

all the info you need is in those guides

if you need help go here https://linustechtips.com/topic/1500569-boinc-pentathlon-2023

[humble rover]

You will need to join the team for each project (most likely), thankfully they made it easy and its the same name on every project - just click 'join team' on the web profile and you're set (provided you made an account first)

[dusky forge]

this is what we want to see right boys

[supple plaza]

I'm trying to participate in the Javelin Throw but to register i need an invitation code

[supple plaza]

Im also struggling to sync my score on BIONCstats when I go to join a project and press find account the site isn't finding my account and if I try to create one i get an error saying the project is down, I can't undestand if the yoyo@home account is the one that BIONCstats is searching or is it a separate one. Edit: I also seted up BIONCstats as my manager

[humble rover]

The invitation code for creating new accounts is pillepalle.
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1500569-boinc-pentathlon-2023/?do=findComment&comment=15923949

If you add the account via manager first, it should sync with the project correctly

[supple plaza]

Thanks

[humble rover]

Only slightly worrying 😅 dropping P2 to see if its related to virtual memory as its been plaguing the system all weekend

[rich depot]

We need more GPUs!

[hallow tulip]

Where do I find my BOINC username to put in the form for the prizes?

Is this the name?

[bleak spoke]

Yup, just the name field

[hallow tulip]

Thanks

[rich depot]

Also... https://linustechtips.com/status/333781/

[rich depot]

Want to help out with the boinc event but don't have the hardware? Well here is how to get googles cloud set up using their 300USD offer for new users https://linustechtips.com/topic/1506031-how-to-use-google-clouds-free-300-for-boinc/

[fickle tangle]

I am having some trouble getting going with boinc. I am new to this and have tried to follow the directions in the pentathlon thread but am having trouble getting number fields to use my gpus. I have added the xml to the project directory but still cant get it to use them. Is there some larger configuration problem that I have not solved yet? Thanks

[humble rover]

What GPUs? Am not doing numbers atm so dunno if I am a help

It should work if the settings on web and manager are fine

https://numberfields.asu.edu/NumberFields/forum_thread.php?id=558&postid=3380#3380
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Project-level_configuration

[fickle tangle]

This first machine I am trying on is a5000s. I did make a xml with the settings given in the LTT thread but it still only runs on CPU. Like I said I have 0 experience with boinc and it might just be a standard configuration error but I have no idea where to start with troubleshooting.

[humble rover]

Is GPU enabled in BOINC manager and on the web portal?

[fickle tangle]

I have unchecked all the "suspend" settings in manager and on the numberfields webportal.

Is there a place for gpu enable? I cannot find it.

[proven marlin]

Hmmm, what do you have check under NumberFields@Home preferences? Does it look like this?

[fickle tangle]

Just got back from mothers day. I think I figured out why it wont use the gpus. I am using RDP on all my machines and it appears to be conflicting with boinc. I just got home so havent had time to poke around yet.

[humble rover]

Ah yeah RDP does tend to take over gpu, heard issues with a few members

[rich depot]

Yeah, RDP certainly has they effect on both BOINC and folding

[humble rover]

🏁 🏁 🏁

[humble rover]

🥉 https://www.seti-germany.de/boinc_pentathlon/statistiken/pentathlon.php?&lang=en

[long sparrow]

[deep fern]

Is such low GPU usage in Task Manager normal?

[hushed bobcat]

windows reporting is unreliable

you need something like MSI Afterburner to see actual GPU usage

[deep fern]

It says 69-72%.

Dang, when my 4090 finishes this F@H work unit I'm going to jump like 5 pages in the leaderboard on the team I'm using.

[hushed bobcat]

4000 series is a beast at folding

[deep fern]

[vital swan]

Not all WUs can fully utilize the newer GPUs especially the big ones. So I guess you are fine

[vital swan]

But that’s a bit low

2.3m is more like a 3060

4090 should max out somewhere around 18m

[deep fern]

Weird.

[hushed bobcat]

wait i read that as 23 mil

pretty sure my 4080 does 15 mil

2.3mil is a 2070 Super or 3060Ti

[deep fern]

So something is up.

So it does work on Linux, I couldn't really figure out what was wrong.

[vital swan]

I looked at it like 5 minutes but I can’t make it look like 23m there is one digit missing

[humble rover]

Passkey?

[hushed bobcat]

i always forget that

[stiff oar]

which boinc projects would you say are most impactuf, have produced the most tangible benefits?

[humble rover]

(probably) worldcommunitygrid due to the mix of real world causes but lately unit distribution is whack so its up to which field interests you the most (there are other STEM projects available) and what hardware is available (CPU or GPU)

With that said, when WCG is down I tend to contribute to sidock, but thats just my preference (biomedicines)

[slate hare]

[humble rover]

Oops I forgor folding sprint started 💀 but in my defence heat wave + severe thunderstorms this week

😂 oops

[hushed bobcat]

wait we did?

[rich depot]

Hahaha there's always next event

[river python]

does anyone know of a project that targets autoimmune diseases?

[humble rover]

For FAH or BOINC?

[river python]

either really. i'll help anything but it's something that hits a little closer

[humble rover]

Protein simulations are a very broad field unless you can narrow it down to a specific cause - however you can prioritize certain causes to see if you can contribute to a specific disease listed on FAH or try one of the biomedicine projects on boinc

https://foldingathome.org/diseases/?lng=en-US
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php

The caveat being researchers will sometimes cycle through what simulations are available as requirements change, so there will not always be specific units in the queue

[pine fulcrum]

Is there a way to make folding@home use the cpu instead of the gpu, I have some extra servers that I might use but they have no dedicated gpu

[hushed bobcat]

if they dont have GPU's it will only use whats available

[humble rover]

It will autoassign whatever is available on setup but you can manually remove slots after the fact

[regal pulsar]

no nerd

[paper beacon]

So I couldve managed to run it on CPU this whole time????

[humble rover]

Yes

[paper beacon]

ᵂʰᵃᵗ ᵗʰᵉ ᶠᵘᶜᵏ

[umbral thistle]

Folding used CPU's primarily at the outset just because of availability. Amazing project imo

[humble rover]

Catching up on collision conference held in my city, Google talk about Deepmind AI being used to solve protein folding (affordable/effective healthcare) and antibiotic resistant bacteria, nuclear fusion, climate change, among others. Predictive mapping proves incredibly useful but FAH definitely still has its place for mutations and verification

https://youtu.be/7mqgyJbz67I?t=1413
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg7WjuFs8F4

Mostly about AGIs and internal ethics/industry review

[hushed bobcat]

costs me about $10 a month id say

[safe meteor]

fold

[jovial arch]

Ibisu Pigeon

[sly jolt]

.

[rich depot]

I think there will come a time, hopefully soon, when folding at home uses crowdsourced AI/tensor cores to do now then just simulating proteins but also act as the seed for new projects

More than*

[rich depot]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/902973-folding-community-board/?do=findComment&comment=16055234

[hushed bobcat]

finally a new folding month

[humble rover]

🥳

Nov 1st is a long ways away aaaaa time to stock up

[rich depot]

What do you think of the badge?

Or logo... Whatever you want call it

[humble rover]

Proportions seem a bit off

[rich depot]

How so?

It's not final so I'm looking at feedback

[humble rover]

Maybe its the thin padding on the text that makes ti seem like a lot more empty space, or the year bit can ber entirely vertical

Or you can do roman numeral full size in the background and foldign month overlayed on the top, curved like clip art

Like this || https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/i/6d0782b6-5ff9-4784-be22-f5529da8636b/d88q31a-aed4a56f-0a35-46aa-8bc8-f07ae0a1c6a4.png/v1/fill/w_1192,h_670,q_70,strp/vghs_logo_vector_by_renegadeai_d88q31a-pre.jpg||

[hushed bobcat]

a little hard to read

it has

layers i guess?

it took several seconds of me staring at it to understand all it was trying to convey

[humble rover]

Fairs, just needs a bit of scaling then

[lucid flint]

holy, i thought you found my high school logo for a moment

[rich depot]

Foldatron 3.0 https://omnigeekhangout.com/t/foldatron-3-0-folding-server-update/81

[hushed bobcat]

Very nice

[rich depot]

I can install a second ITX board in this case if I decided to have more expansion

[hushed bobcat]

I'll be folding on my 4080 this year

Folding event is in November correct?

[rich depot]

Yeah

[stark bough]

Which 4080 you got? considering getting reference since im restricted to 3 slot.

[hushed bobcat]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JGWzK8/gigabyte-gaming-oc-geforce-rtx-4080-16-gb-video-card-gv-n4080gaming-oc-16gd

[stark bough]

Any thoughts on the 3 slot reference?

[hushed bobcat]

the gigabyte cards might have an issue of the boards cracking

i dont think ive heard anything bad about the reference cards

my card happens to be a good overclocker

i can get just over 3GHz out of the core

[rich depot]

@steel arch can we do something about this guy slowly spamming the channel?

[slender rampart]

that thing looks beastly. i humbly suggest, however, that you upgrade its name to a more fitting "foldatron 3000"

[drifting sundial]

Does anyone know why its only using 25% of my gpu? Is that normal?

Also Hwmonitor reports a completely different %

[hushed bobcat]

task manager reporting is... inconsistant at best

believe HW monitor

[rich depot]

@warm talon ^^ not folding or boinc related

Thanks

[fickle needle]

Windows (at least 10 and 11) will report on the different GPU units (3D copy encode and decode, compute) in aggregate so when you're folding your compute will be maxed out but everything else would be untouched, So if you were to go to performance> GPU in task Manager you should be able to select the compute chart and it should agree with hw monitor

[spare epoch]

I have a 1080 as a primary, I don’t want to run on that, could I throw in my Titan x to fold without affecting my 1080?

[hushed bobcat]

Yes you can select individual slots and pause/run as you see fit

[humble rover]

Bear in mind the thermal constraints if they're in the same system, but yes you can separate out slots afterwards

[hushed bobcat]

?

[solar raptor]

this is normal?

[hushed bobcat]

what are you asking is not normal?

in general i dont see anything wrong

[solar raptor]

I mean, am I doing it right?

Or am I missing something

[hushed bobcat]

looks fine to me

you got 2 WU going, one on the CPU one on the GPU

[solar raptor]

I really want to use my graphics power for something actually useful and contributive instead of simply wasting it on salad

[solar raptor]

Yeah should I do only one ?

[hushed bobcat]

you can do whatever you want

i dont like doing the CPU because it makes my fans ramp up

GPU also gives you way more points per watt

but its all helpful for medical research

[solar raptor]

How do I disable cpu

[solar raptor]

What do I do with them

[hushed bobcat]

right click the slot and hit finish

after it finished right click the slot again and hit pause

[solar raptor]

Tanks

[hushed bobcat]

you aquire more

[solar raptor]

Like collecting it

Cool!

[hushed bobcat]

its just a number representing how much you have contributed

[solar raptor]

Points per day show the number of point I have?

[hushed bobcat]

how many points you make in a day

ahh i just noticed you do have something wrong

you are folding as anonymous and team 0

you need to set up a user and decide what team you want to fold on

[solar raptor]

Yeah how do I join the ltt one

[hushed bobcat]

fyi its in the pins

[solar raptor]

yeah figured

[hushed bobcat]

223518 is the team number

then you just have to make a user and get a passkey

https://foldingathome.org/support/faq/points/passkey/?lng=en

here is the info on the passkey

curious what my total points are, havent checked in a while

ohh just shy of 2 billion

[solar raptor]

wow

[hushed bobcat]

what hardware are you folding on?

[solar raptor]

quadro P2000

trash i know

[hushed bobcat]

hmm

the database doesnt have a p2000

but it does have a p2200

thats worth about 300k PPD

its not in a laptop is it?

[solar raptor]

nah

desktop

[hushed bobcat]

good, i highly DONT recommend folding on a laptop

[solar raptor]

heating issues eh?

[hushed bobcat]

you will get more points when you get a passkey setup

[solar raptor]

i entered the passkey in the client

[hushed bobcat]

yea laptops are made for quick burst work, not sustained high load

[solar raptor]

hmm

[hushed bobcat]

you need to complete 10 WU within the time limit before you start seeing the bonus

[solar raptor]

alr

whats ur specs?

[hushed bobcat]

i cant remember what the bonus is, 4x maybe?

PC1 - Ryzen 7950x, RTX 4080
PC2 - i7-8700k, GTX 1080 Ti, RTX 3060 Ti

i used to have way more hardware folding

but im phasing out my older stuff

its just too inefficient

[solar raptor]

damnn

[hushed bobcat]

i cant remember but i think all that is good for around 5-6 million PPD?

[solar raptor]

per day?????

[hushed bobcat]

yea

[solar raptor]

thats a lot i wager?

[hushed bobcat]

ehh

i think last folding event someone was doing 100 million PPD

[solar raptor]

dedication

i think im getting about 160k ppd

[hushed bobcat]

i think they were using their works server rack

[solar raptor]

they got fired im guessing

[hushed bobcat]

?

no

they wrote it off as "testing equipment"

[solar raptor]

lmao

great excuse for a great cause

[hushed bobcat]

@rich depot can you chime in here, you've been at this longer than me

https://folding.lar.systems/

if you want to look up stats this is the place

[rich depot]

Hey there, what's up?

[hushed bobcat]

if you want to contribute to this database you only need to install the plugin

[hushed bobcat]

new guy was asking what alot of PPD was, didnt one of the guys in the last folding sprint do 100mil per day by folding on a server rack?

[rich depot]

Not a rack server no, but least folding month we had 4 people average over 100m PPD over the event

[hushed bobcat]

yea thats kind of what i figured

so my 5-6 mil really isnt that special

not bad though

ohh wait, on the lar database the 4080 alone is 15mil

so actually on the next folding sprint i should be good for 20 mil PPD

sweet

might be worth top 25? or maybe even top 20?

[rich depot]

I'm looking at doing 30-40m PPD this event is I can afford the power

[solar raptor]

Thank you guys for the info

[rich depot]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1533927-ltt-official-folding-month-vi

[hushed bobcat]

signed

[humble rover]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[hushed bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[opal elbow]

Can I pause folding and play games ? I’m gonna set my PC to run the rest of the month.

[humble rover]

Yes, FAH will just revert to last checkpoint when you pause and resume from there but be mindful of WU deadlines

[opal elbow]

I’m guess this is all on the webpage? I’m gonna get it Stevie today. Figured I could run the computer overnight while I’m sleeping & at work so 16-18 hours up time a day , thank god my power is cheap

[sterile night]

eyes Tesla P4s on ebay and empty slots in servers

[fickle needle]

Sucks that all the servers I have at work are airgapped

[humble pollen]

they don't sound very useful for serving things then

[fickle needle]

Lol, they're really not, kinda sad seeing all that crazy powerful hardware essentially sitting around and gathering dust

[umbral thistle]

Just wanted to pop in and thank the folks that use their excess computing for folding. I built a PC in hopes of helping alz research way back in the day (way back as in it used 3x 680s) so much respect to all of you. If I could afford the power bill I'd run an 8 card setup but it would literally cost me like over 1000 a month here in electricity 😦

Also, I can look it up tomorrow, but if anyone happens to know, would AMD EPYC 7551s have any benefit for folding projects? If anyone trusted by community has a mobo that supports it I'd be happy to donate one

[rich depot]

Every little helps. https://linustechtips.com/topic/1533927-ltt-official-folding-month-vi Event for folding starting next month

[fickle needle]

Man, folding on a 7551 would be dope, looks like i could pick up a SP3 motherboard for it for like 250$

[umbral thistle]

Just let me know I’f you want one or if you’re picking up a dual socket mobo (and need two). Long as you’re using it for folding I don’t mind donating

[unique sigil]

@rich depot i gotchu

[rich depot]

❤️

[unique sigil]

are their servers slow rn? cores taking forever

[rich depot]

Yeah they been pretty slow lately

[unique sigil]

welp, it will start ripping soon hopefully. 6x4090's and a 5995WX

[rich depot]

Beautiful

[unique sigil]

sheesh they're still not going

[hushed bobcat]

That's some serious horsepower

[unique sigil]

casual

[hushed bobcat]

according to the lar systems database just the GPUs should pump out 108mil ppd

must not be getting fed lol

still i think we know whos going to win the next folding sprint....

[jagged rock]

3080ti is a beast crunching these, my old 1070 couldnt handle the larger folding sims

[exotic yoke]

I get around 1/10th of that if I fold on my 12700K + RTX 3060Ti lol

[rich depot]

It does seem you are not getting all the points you could, PCIe lane limited? Or CPU limited maybe?

You need to leave at least one core per GPU free

[hushed bobcat]

Actually in my testing you need 2 cores free per GPU

Unless it's a very low power GPU

[unique sigil]

I turned CPU off for now... its threadripper so lots of PCIe lanes for the 6x cards

On average they seem to be around 17 million per day per card. there are a couple lower but I think they are doing some "worse" projects atm

[rich depot]

One core = two threads. You need a core free, two logical processors

[rich depot]

Most people just omit CPU folding

[hushed bobcat]

yes

ive noticed the FAH client only provisions 1 thread per GPU though

[spare epoch]

Ok for folding do I want gtx/rtx or Tesla? Or quadro?

[hushed bobcat]

nvidia seems to rule the roost

[spare epoch]

I was considering throwing three k80s in a system to fold

They are cheap

[hushed bobcat]

k as in Kepler?

that would be pretty old

so just doing a very rough estimate

the Single Precision processing power of a K80 is around 6-8 TFLOPS

thats roughly equivalent to a 3050 Ti

however a 3050 Ti would consume 1/3 the power

looks like the cost to buy is about 2-3x for the 3050 ti

as someone who folded on old obsolete hardware for a long time

i would take the 3050 Ti

but thats just my opinion

[umbral thistle]

If you ever find a source of SP3 mobos that support 7551s, as mentioned I'd donate two. If you can get me a mobo too, I'd donate 4

[polar shell]

Generally nvidia is better, comparitively, for anything newer than rx 500/gtx 900 series
I think vega matched 10 series but rdna sucks at folding

Before that amd is better as gcn was very good at compute

[spare epoch]

I just won an auction for K20 for $15 I’ll provably just throw that in to fold some is better than none

[unique sigil]

@rich depot lets goooo

[rich depot]

Can you look into the shout out on WAN and maybe prizes, haven't heard anything back

[unique sigil]

ill follow up

[rich depot]

Thanks man, appreciate you!

[edgy needle]

impressive

[spare epoch]

Hear me out, whale lan where everyone folds for an hour

Maybe a record?

[edgy needle]

the issue is the points won't come all at the same time

in a distributed compute cluster, it requires multiple machines to produce results and cross validate before it is counted

so it depends on when does some other random user finish for u to get the points

[rich depot]

No cross validation in folding

Folding is effectively a quorum of one

[opal elbow]

Hey all! Just got the folding at home set up. Quick question. If I click “only when idle “ what counts as idle? Non GPU & CPU heavy tasks? I’m fine having it running while I’m just fucking off but want it to pause while gaming

[rich depot]

Basically... idle is considered when a screensaver would activate if you had one set

You can manually pause and unpause it which is what I do

[opal elbow]

Perfect! I’ll leave it on while I’m working for now then. I have no idea what these points go towards but I’m earning them

[rich depot]

Have you signed up to the event on the forum to potentially win prizes?

[opal elbow]

No I have not! The LTT forum?

okay, i think i did it

Looks like my PC at full can earn about 950k points per day, not too bad (I think)

[rich depot]

Not bad at all

[rich depot]

I'm the folding team leader btw, if you have any questions please feel free to ask

[opal elbow]

I saw you on the forum post! Yeah I will for sure I’m excited the whole reason I was working on my PC fan issues was so I could run my PC overnight I’ve always wanted to help with this but never pulled the trigger. I’ll add a server next year that will be always on. Will need some tips there lol

[rich depot]

My folding "server" it is a Xeon 2996V4, 128GB ram and 2 4070tis

[rich depot]

The CPU and RAM aren't needed for folding, but they are great for the BOINC pent event where we compete against other forums and communities

[opal elbow]

So GPU is most important for folding?

[rich depot]

Yeah

you can CPU fold, and some people do very well with a vast number of cores

but their power to points ratio is horrible

[opal elbow]

What is a WU?

Work unit , found it

[rich depot]

Work Unit, a task... yeah there you go lol

[opal elbow]

Oo I’m up to 4618611 points if I go all day. That seems like a good number

[rich depot]

What GPU you have?

[opal elbow]

6800 XT

[rich depot]

ahhh makes sense

As much as I hate to say it, buy nvidia cards for folding

[opal elbow]

I skipped them this edition, but for the server I’ll grab some used 30 series. I just couldn’t buy a 40 series when the 6800 was cheaper & performed better for gaming

[rich depot]

Oh I agree with you

4070ti is the best folding GPU right now

Hence why I have three of them lol

[opal elbow]

Haha I can see that. That was my second choice but Radeon came with starfeild so i went with that

[rich depot]

yeah, for me folding is more important than gaming, and te fact a 4070ti can get 8-10mPPD on less than 180w was important cause power is costly here

plus inno3D make a two slot 4070ti

[opal elbow]

That is literally double for 80 ways less, that’s crazy

[rich depot]

yeah, CUDA acceleration for you

[rich depot]

A member of the team made and maintains a folding database that uses a browser extension to collect performance data of various GPUs https://folding.lar.systems/

[hushed bobcat]

I'll be folding with 2 3060 ti's and a 4080

might throw in 16 threads from my 7950x as well

[rich depot]

Niceee

[hushed bobcat]

my next most powerful card is a 1080 ti

but if i recall its about 1/10 the points of my 4080 with the same power draw

yea according to the database 4080 is around 15.5 mil and 1080 ti is 2.3 mil

3060 ti 3.3 mil

[opal elbow]

Is there a team I should be on?

[hushed bobcat]

the LTT Team is 223518

[edgy needle]

it's not the same as boinc?

[opal elbow]

In 1.5 hours I will have completed 5 WU today. So that’s exciting and fun. 1 CPU 4 GPU.

[hushed bobcat]

nice

[rich depot]

No, and also not all boinc projects are a quorum of 2, some are 1, some even higher

[spare epoch]

I plan to just have my k20 Tesla running folding 24/7 and let my 1080ti setup handle everything else, solid plan? The k20 was $15 and I was curious about teslas so it’s just for fun

[polar shell]

should be fine, might wanna uv to keep temps down and not stress it too much, esp since kepler is getting into the age where failures start to spike

[opal elbow]

im glad electric is cheap here 300 wats on GPU & CPU while folding at max

[glacial plank]

If you are new (or veteran) to Folding for the LTT Team and would like a badge for your efforts, see the forum and request yours for your forum profile https://linustechtips.com/topic/1069238-fh-and-boinc-badge-request-thread-last-update-2023-oct-20/

The Annual F@H Folding Month starts soon. https://linustechtips.com/topic/1533927-ltt-official-folding-month-vi/

[humble rover]

Yooooo folding month shoutout 2h30m

https://youtu.be/ZOQOQqxemOI?t=9052

[opal elbow]

Im ready!

Did all my testing and am able to pump 3-4 million PPD off my rig as it stands

[rich depot]

I promise you it took a lot more work on my part than it should have to make that happen lmfao

[humble rover]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2184-prelude/

Google doc here to double check you've signed up

[low grove]

how do i sign up for the folding team?

[low grove]

nvm figured it out

estimated like 7 million points per day, is that good?

[dawn tiger]

very nice