the-wan-show

[plain aurora]

Personally when I am dealing with a social issue I have a team of friends who help me figure out a path forward.

[fallow lotus]

People use Musk autism to both explain his success and justify his behavior. And I may not know much, but I know that's not how it works. People are different and unique; even with Autism. So yeah. If Linus made that Autism comment; maybe he was insensitive of how the word affects Steve. But honestly it sounds like someone failing to make a compliment.

[plain aurora]

Yeah I got confused because I didn’t realise it was meant to be an insult

[void pivot]

I don’t think it bears any relevance to the issues raised by Steve. Personal insults that could have or could not have been said during the heat* of the moment argument are really not what should have been placed on that statement.

[wanton token]

a big long furred dog is definitely better than a cat, but cats are more pattable imo

in general*

big dogs with well done fur are so fucking good

but cat meows so thats something for the cats

[plain aurora]

As someone who has a cat that I pat when I go to the gym I guess I’m a cat person

(She stays at downstairs reception where the pools are)

[fallow lotus]

I think I have some mild phobias about animals. But I'm always nervous when there's a dog around. Cats too, although Cats chillness make it a lot less. I can pet a stranger's dog or cat if they are really chill otherwise no thanks. My family had a dog, and I loved him, but even with our dog, it took a while before I could just be in the same room and not have to look at what the dog is doing. And the chill I get when I'm 100% alone, I could never achieve it with the dog around.

[plain aurora]

Well to be fair they are unpredictable

I had two dogs bite me as a kid took ages for me to get back to somewhat normal with them

[fallow lotus]

Yeah. I have to trauma dump that way; because otherwise I look like an absolute psycho if I say "I don't like cats OR dogs" lol

[plain aurora]

Just say you like fish

[muted blade]

I learned that lesson earlier on, some of these youtubers succeed at an early age and their ego gets inflated thinking they can't be wrong because they have viewers that enable their behavior. They never get humble and ignore the humble pie.

[frozen agate]

Did someone say fish?

[plain aurora]

Here’s a interesting question. Do cats eat catfish

[muted blade]

probably

[thin mesa]

And now rossman posts a 5 minute apology video to someone he shaded in a livestream a year ago after reading a comment from the target of his shade on reddit, and the comments are full of people saying it's basically another video aimed at LMG. bruh

[wanton token]

i feel like the rossmann video today is a very good one

also slower talking pace than normal so thats no good

[cinder shore]

Is there a live WAN Show today?

[wanton token]

WAN is every friday

[cinder shore]

WHOOPS!

Thank you!

[wanton token]

also i really do agree with "If you wanna be the bitch, be the whole bitch" by louis

[muted blade]

Yeah he hasn't made a solid case

[wanton token]

well, i agree with the sentence

[muted blade]

oh that, yes

[wanton token]

he does own up to most of his faults

obviously he have his own personal bias and for those i dont think he would fix those

[brittle moon]

Can we stop giving attention to the attention seekers now please

[plain aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/swiper-dora-man-oh-man-gif-4392994

j/k

don't worry i have help keeping me in line, i have a org that is interested having me teach other ASD people how to deal with the world and their emotions so i must be doing something right

[plain aurora]

So blu-ray is dying out, do you think we are going to get another physical media to replace the blu-ray HD line

ouch i can't imagine, i was a people pleaser till 9 years ago

can't imagine acting like steve, i just can't

or elon and the others

[brittle moon]

i hope so, but i doubt it. streaming is easier for normies

[trim obsidian]

no, they're killing physical media so they can stop 'selling' video entirely and everything is service based.

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-eye-patch-gif-3139231117372817383

[brittle moon]

subscriptions allow them to extract more cost out of consumers. thats why every company started a streaming service

[trim obsidian]

And then struggle because they forget the cost of making more content.

Honestly - if they were to open a store where I could buy MKV files, I'd have no problem paying for content, but I'm over this whole you must consume your entertainment the way we say.

[random trout]

What CracklingIce said. It's easier for copyright holders to limit the amount of time a license to consume content is "valid" for if they don't allow consumers to physically hold a permanent copy of the 1's and 0's that represent the content. This, in addition to convenience, is why things are shifting to streaming.
Technically, even when you "bought" a DVD / BluRay, you were buying a license to consume the content stored on the physical medium, but not the content itself. It was just immensely more difficult to justify removing your access to said content since they'd have to physically break into your home to do so.

[low otter]

i dont think linus wants to go that route

[random trout]

Same here. Give me a universally accessible storefront whereby I can legally purchase a consumption license for movies, TV shows, books, music, live concerts, etc. without the need to install 15 different apps, some of which aren't available for all my devices, and all of which are riddled with UI design blunders.

[low otter]

personally i don't see him going to court unless his business is critically compromised or they sue first

[plain aurora]

man i was trying to shift direction

[low otter]

probably not - at least not successfully

definitely would be a cool topic to theorize on though

would be cool if we got game discs as an alternative to downloading 300 GB of unoptimized game assets and downloading +100 GB of extra data on the fly

[random trout]

Would be even cooler if executives weren't pressured by stonkholders to force their dev teams to push out unfinished software products to end users long before they were ready for release.

[low otter]

they should be more like nintendo

(without their own anti-consumer and anti-creator attitude)

[soft seal]

https://youtu.be/P7BhMKqIkig
This topic was briefly discussed during WAN, but this video came up on my feed and the insight it provides to the situation is really good. (l've followed Zack for a while, and his videos are really interesting and entertaining even as someone who's not very into 3D printing)

[dusty wadi]

We love Zack

[tender prism]

Then we probably don't need to mention Elon in this server either

[thin mesa]

Late reply i know, but i feel like rossmans latest video wouldn't have been made if he hadn't made the lmg one first, as if it's just helping show how "right" he does things. something's off about it, and as for chanting "be the whole bitch" again and again, sorry but it's losing all meaning - of which it had very little in the beginning..and let's face it, Steve is absolutely not "being the whole bitch"

[thin mesa]

"be the whole bitch" feels like a self-titled smart guy's equivalent of posting a picture of a skeleton riding a motorcycle made of flames to facebook with the caption "i am who i am you either love me or hate me"

[tiny mauve]

I used to have somewhat severe phobia of dogs, to the point that I refused to walk around town by myself until I was 13~14-ish. I wasn't and still amn't afraid of cats, but I've got a real dislike/aversion (it's more akin to disgust tbh) towards them that I just haven't managed to understand (or overcome).

TBH I'm not really a pet person. Didn't have a pet growing up, and don't intend (though would be open) to have a pet when I become a real adult. But big well-behaved and well-kept dogs are just lovely to pet

[muted blade]

Even though Louis supports some good causes, the problem is that he acts as if he's doing God's work

[thin mesa]

and the number of comments in his video saying he does too is frankly quite scary

but then again, there are many people who you can convince to believe absolutely anything by just presenting your argument in the manner he does - swearing and forced outrage

[muted blade]

Yeah, you could say he's being manipulative.

[thin mesa]

I'm really struggling to understand the viewpoint of the people saying his latest apology video is supposedly hinting at Linus to apologise... that's such an unbelievable attempt to twist this entire situation, though I do think they have a point, just Steve is the one who needs to learn how to say sorry. Because 90% of rossman's video on this situation is trying to convince people that Linus' apologies are meaningless and worthless anyway so why would they think he's trying to get him to make another?

or maybe I'm just far too bored at work right now and reading too many comments 😅

[muted blade]

I didn't find Linus response video to be manipulative, it reflected how I felt about it

Yeah I know, I brought up Linus response video because Louis said it was just him being manipulative

[exotic glen]

to some of us, he is doing god's work. but that's completely besides the point in all this. and his own story about not getting his +1's air fare covered, booo hoo. my lord. that's the kind of pedantic shit you're bringing up louis? ffs.
hours of steve and louis smearing Linus, and he doesn't return the favour. He makes a few minutes on the wan show, to respond to that which needs response. and seems to be willing to accept his mistakes and is willing to talk. steve, on the other hand, seems to have lawyered up good, as there's nothing since his last twitter post about it, afaik.
How you deal with things, is important. Linus seems to be trying to address shit. All I see right now, is steve and louis flinging mud, and not even trying to understand Linus' position, while Linus does the exact opposite.
It's sad. It's pathetic. I've read through most of the shite, but I'm having a hard time understanding how people can just throw stones, without bothering to understand.

[thin mesa]

according to socialblade - and I have no idea how reliable that site is or isn't - the only one who's been losing subscribers since steve hurled the first turd is gn

I'm just waiting for him to spin that as "see, I care more about you little people than anyone, it hurt me to say what I said and that's what makes me the best at everything ever for saying it"

people get upset when you tie people to chairs too but let's not get bogged down in reality here

the childish part of me wishes linus response was more like this from the start:

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-jewelry-jewels-bling-bling-gif-3462413

but that would play into their favor when it comes to the all mighty judgement of the comment section

[muted blade]

Yeah I agree. I'm mainly talking about his attitude about himself. It's elevating himself to a level that he is some how the standard bearer of morality and truth. He's not doing any good here.

[thin mesa]

and sit on a throne made of cash

"sorry, I can't hear anybody with less than 5m subscribers. Git gud"

[mint widget]

where do horses fit in all these?

[thin mesa]

Linus should just hire patrick leyton...make him an irresistible offer

That would be the absolute most delicious move

"we got a fan tester you can actually use here bro"

[muted blade]

He could troll to see if anyone takes the bait

[thin mesa]

"These trivialities demean me, I must away and tend to my fortune!"

[thin mesa]

still the greatest comment I read, possibly ever, referring to steve and louis:

really made me pause, stare out the window, and contemplate the meaning of the universe for a moment

[trim obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/wot-mate-m8-u-wot-sandip-gif-19663807

[thin mesa]

I don't think any of us possess the immense intellect required to comprehend philosophy on such a magnificent scale

[spice oak]

It wasn't about Louis not being able to bring his plus 1. It was when he had been denied twice by Yvonne, he wrote a polite email indicating he would not be coming because he had decided to start a new employee and needed to train him. His business at the time needed him. In that email, he included he had paid his way the previous year for LTX 2018, and Yvonne then had changed her mind. But Louis had already declined at this time, so Linus then tried to guilt him into coming by bringing up something from the iMac fix it video that was done a year and a half previously.

Is this ok for someone to guilt someone else into doing something they no longer wanted to do?

Linus owes Louis an apology for how he had treated him.

[thin mesa]

apparently guilting people for things they don't want to do is okay when you're gn

[spice oak]

explain when gn did that

[thin mesa]

this was reignited by steve taking exception to linus not wanting to make a video about honey

and now everything's being dragged into it, like this rossman nonsense

[spice oak]

that's not guilting, that's responding

a sponsor that starts out in a video, and the sponsor gets dropped because they did something that was not good for consumers or creators, that should be put out in a video. It can be a short on youtube. No production value needed.

[frozen agate]

I hard disagree there to be honest

ok, no, that's a lie

I do agree

but within the specific context of Honey

I disagree. Purely because at the time that they dropped Honey as a sponsor there were at least four major tech outlets talking about it in web media, and a not small number of creators talking about it in video media. Anyone that wanted to know could find out.

LMG making a video on it as well would not have benefitted anybody at the time other than a miniscule group of people who somehow were within the Venn diagram circles of "likes tech" and "doesn't know about honey already"

If somehow you were in that group, then yes, you didn't know what Honey did or why they were dropped.

For everyone else, you either knew, or were about to know.

If the lack of a video about Honey is such a big deal for Steve, then why didn't he make a video himself at the time of the events? Surely with all the anger flying around at the time Steve would have been able to make a profit on the time investment of that video, so it would have been a lucrative opportunity for him right? How come he didn't jump at the chance? Probably because it was dead content that nobody cared about anymore because it was overblown and done with within about two weeks. Suddenly I'm reminded of parallels to the current situation, because guess what the topic isn't in Steve's most recent videos about Honey? That's right, the topic is not about the bad corporation that is hurting consumers and creators. It is about a competitor not meeting his own flimsy ethical standards about a topic which he fails to meet his own flimsy ethical standards on.

If this isn't enough evidence that this whole argument is null and void, I really do not know what planet you live on, but it sure as hell isn't the same one I do.

now, back to our regularly lately scheduled content. Cat gifs:

https://tenor.com/view/cat-black-cat-big-eyes-big-eyed-cat-cute-gif-14459530881087846518

[spice oak]

Steve didn't know, as a lot of people didn't know because this was slowly being talked about by not a lot of people for 10 years

and by a video, I meant a short on youtube

now that didn't happen

but it can be the standard moving forward

[past nimbus]

of course steve didnt know, GN is a reaction channel

[spice oak]

you're making assumptions now

[void pivot]

Trying to persuade someone that I did you a favour, come on and do me a favour isn’t an issue. The tone may not have been great, how Louis felt may have not been great and he disagreed with it. However to air it is pretty poor by anyone’s standards, and in that way too. I’d imagine if you could look into every company, influencer and even some of our own past there will be leveraging in a similar way. It’s why I dislike this whole thing tbh. It’s just a really poor and simple smear campaign based on how someone believes how everyone else should be holding an individual accountable.

[frozen agate]

I assure you, steve knew. Because steve had communication with Barnacules Nerdgasm, who was one of the people that helped break the news.

That's also how LMG knew from memory, though I may be misremembering there

[thin mesa]

and poor old jerry faced a lot of backlash for it, which Linus also saw, because they are also friends

[spice oak]

That's the trait of a narcissist. I sure hope you don't expect to be treated like that.

[thin mesa]

oh there's that word again, hilarious

[frozen agate]

and as for your comment on it being 10 years.... it has been three. The sponsor was dropped in February 2022. The news really broke about the whole situation probably about a month before that

[spice oak]

this is what I meant as 10 years: https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/1i5yk8j/honey_affiliate_link_stealing_was_wellknown/

first article was posted in 2014

but it was not widely known

as otherwise LMG would have dropped Honey as a sponsor sooner then they did

[frozen agate]

cool, but the first big drama about it broke in late 2021 early 2022

which is when they dropped the sponsor

[spice oak]

correct

but if a sponsor is in a video, shouldn't they be in a video if you are dropping them due to harm being done to creators or consumers?

[frozen agate]

forgive me for the example here, but did they make a movie about every actor that was put in prison for drug offences?

I know it is hyperbole, but it exemplifies how much of a silly rule that would be to live by

[thin mesa]

perhaps, but why wasn't the demand for such made in 2022 then? why now

[spice oak]

LMG did mention on wanshow when they dropped eufy due to them not treating the customer well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ssMQtKAMyA

[frozen agate]

Eufy also did a significantly larger amount of harm to the public (and by extension the creator's reputations) than Honey did

[spice oak]

because new ideas are always coming around

[frozen agate]

bare with one sec im doing some transcript searching to back up something I want to say

[spice oak]

so they didn't think of mentioning that they dropped honey as a sponsor, except on their forum, which not all their viewers go on

[frozen agate]

Well, by your own statement there they clearly did think of mentioning that they dropped honey as a sponsor

[spice oak]

but not all their viewers would know since it's on their forum

[frozen agate]

additionally, do you know how many sponsors LMG have dropped or banned over the years? Because I don't. If they should make a video about dropping Honey, would you also hold them to do that for every other sponsor they dropped?

[spice oak]

youtube shorts came out in 2021

not every sponsor, just the ones that have done something to harm the consumer or creator

[frozen agate]

ah, so there's a filter tied to it now

[spice oak]

that is my opinion of it

[frozen agate]

you understand why it is stupid to do it for every sponsor, but you want them to do it for some of them still

[spice oak]

yes, some of them

[frozen agate]

so how do you define which ones should be put on public blast?

how do you come up with a universally accepted agreement on what the standard is there?

[spice oak]

I just said it

[frozen agate]

every single person has a different opinion, and you can never please them all

I personally don't agree with your definition

how do you plan to make me happy?

[spice oak]

you are free to disagree

[frozen agate]

which is exactly the point im making here.

You disagree with how LMG did something, which you're free to do. It doesn't mean they have to do it though.

Do you think that Steve never turned down a sponsorship from Honey? his channel was more than big enough when the drama broke that he'd likely have received emails about it....

If Steve didnt take the sponsorship, why not? Im sure they offered him plenty of money

[spice oak]

you don't think they should change this policy?

[frozen agate]

no, I personally do not believe in burning bridges where repairs can be made and good can still come out of things

[spice oak]

as part of the reason for dropping Honey, LMG did have a meeting with them to ask them if they were going to stop changing the affiliate codes, and they said no.

doesn't that warrant a video so that their viewers know why?

[frozen agate]

the point I'm trying to make here is that saying Steve didn't know about it being an issue is a little backwards thinking when his channel almost certainly was offered a sponsorship, but either rejected or ignored the opportunity.

Whatever his reason for rejecting that opportunity was, he never publicly stated it. Doesn't that by definition mean he did nothing to help protect the little guy he is so quick to blame Linus for failing?

[frozen agate]

No, because it would be a thirty second video "Honey does this, we asked them to stop, they said no, we don't want to work with them"

It would be a waste of time to watch, a waste of time to produce, and a waste of time to think about

[spice oak]

Honey didn't tell any of the creators what it did with affiliate codes, because otherwise they would not allow Honey to be a sponsor.

you do know how shorts on youtube work right?

[frozen agate]

The CIA doesnt tell anyone what it does with your SMS messages. What is your point there?

[spice oak]

a 30 second video of Linus sitting down with his phone in front of him

[frozen agate]

is 30 seconds of Linus' time that would have been better for everyone if he spent not doing that

[spice oak]

recording is done, and is uploaded to youtube

is that too much time to take?

[frozen agate]

A lot of people are forgetting that Linus has only in the last 12-14 months stopped being the CEO of the company, and having to take on the roles of the host and the executive. The man was incredibly busy. I regularly run into situations in my own job where someone talking to me in the corridor is enough to push my day out of whack.

I can absolutely believe that 30 seconds of Linus's time was far more important than the value created by that short video would have been

anyway, im done trying to even debate this with you, because we are going in circles and getting nowhere. Back to the block list you go

[wind hound]

bread

[spice oak]

It would have caused some people to uninstall Honey. When megalag video hit, the install count of Honey went down from 20 million to 17 million.

everyone has 30 seconds in their day to do something important as this

[thin mesa]

And GNs subscriber count has fallen since kicking this off, so doesn't that prove Linus' point?

[spice oak]

it proves some people can't stand it when their world view is effected

[thin mesa]

that's what you want it to mean, but actually it proves that putting people on blast isn't what people want

[spice oak]

that's why I said some people

and what you said doesn't actually prove what you said is true, you just decided that

[marble frigate]

GN launched their GNCA channel last week, there might be subscriber migration there as well

[crude sandal]

At this point GN could do a 5 hour hit piece about themselves

[crude sandal]

When lmg dropped them, the affiliate stealing was the only known issue, and as Linus said, a video basically saying "uninstall this extension that's probably saved you at least some money because they've been stealing OUR money" wouldn't have gone down well AT ALL

[crude sandal]

It was talked about a fair bit in the background right before lmg dropped them.... This is how lmg found out
Steve definitely heard about it if he was paying any attention at all

[spice oak]

Not when you phrase it like that. But if you say what Honey was doing, but include that you could uninstall it, but that you don't have to. We're just letting you know why we dropped them as a sponsor. That would have gone well.

[spice oak]

Prove that Steve heard about it earlier then he says he did.

[marble frigate]

I think when Louis mentions doing a short to warn about Honey he's talking more about doing it recently than in 2021

[crude sandal]

He was following one of the main accounts that talked about it and was also friends with that person

[spice oak]

Yes, in 2022. But since that is in the past, it's now more of a shift in policy for current and future sponsors.

Please link to it.

[crude sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-goalposts-changing-requirements-gif-25214446

[near elm]

I assume if I don't see a sponsor anymore than the marketing campaign has completed, not that they dropped them. They announced when they stopped doing VPN sponsors, no reason they couldn't have done it for honey too.

[thin mesa]

This seems to be how every entrant into this debate seems to be operating now. Continually moving the goalposts until the only thing left to say is "linus bad"

[crude sandal]

Not surprising from xpyr, he's from the Louis crowd iirc

[spice oak]

it's an opinion, you're free to disagree

[crude sandal]

You always cause shit in here and hide behind that defense

[past nimbus]

Here's an opinion: There is now zero reason to watch Steve or Louis unless you're there for the drama. No trustworthiness, no objectivity, zero charisma

[thin mesa]

figures, especially since his earlier response to me essentially boils down to "no u"

[crude sandal]

yep https://www.youtube.com/live/oLjxPPMvrLI

[wanton token]

the thing is: Megaleg is honey talking discount away from YOU, which honey is supposed to benefit YOU
and before this: Honey is taking money from the people that got paid to advertise them to YOU, but it still benefits YOU

there is a stark difference

[thin mesa]

steve should drop the gamer part from gamers nexus

at least linus regularly gives us examples of how he sucks at games

steve just tries to drop table top knowledge into videos to show how massively big brain he is

something something dice

call it haters nexus instead

[timid ruin]

See, these past weeks I've been feeling super nostalgic around here. It's my Russian highschool experience all over again

[frozen agate]

lol

sounds about right in all honesty

[frozen agate]

cheers Jawa, and sorry

[odd grail]

You’ve been respectful, so no need to apologize :)

For others, tossing insults around and needlessly bashing other channels is not gonna get you far here. You’re absolutely welcome to have an opinion, but ad hominem attacks and mudslinging are nonproductive. This is not a drama forum, nor is this unfortunate situation a sports game. Please exhibit due respect when engaging.

[frozen agate]

Speaking of which, is it cool if I hop in your DMs for a moment Jawa?

[odd grail]

Sure.

[frozen agate]

Sweet, I'll be over there in a couple mins, just doing some stuff rn, see you soon

[tender prism]

Thank you for the perspective. I don't think enough people understand what's it's like to manage so many things. Being terminally online will often lead to failure to understand how the outside world works.

"Why don't you just do this?"
"Would've been so easy to just do that!"

These are not the statements you make if you factor in your that we are talking about a decent sized company with employees, responsibilities, relationships, multiple goals etc.

[timid ruin]

...and the fact that a 30-second video isn't a 30-second work. Pre-production and post-production, actual footage (if you get it right the first time), scheduling etc. adds up.

[muted blade]

I don't even understand the issue, it's because he didn't make a video

[marble frigate]

Doing a short wouldn't take an enormous amount of time however, worst case just ask Dennis to do it 🤪

[frozen agate]

I have in the last 4 months gone from being one of the foot soldiers to being the guy who gives them their tasks. It is one hell of a learning curve, and I've made a lot of mistakes. It has also allowed me to see that it isn't always as simple as black and white. I'm still struggling with it, but I am getting better. It is certainly interesting to see things from the perspective I am seeing them now, as I used to be exactly like how a lot of these people are seeing things

[plain aurora]

the amount of people at church who thinks i have more than 5 minutes at random times with my pastor because i work in the office is insane. People don't honestly know how busy some people can be and are, i'm impressed Linus still has time to be with his family, as he should.

something may take "30 seconds" but in reality more like a hour

[don't worry i got a good friendship working relationship with my church leadership, but yeah i had congregation members complain about the time they think i have]

[spice oak]

a short on youtube doesn't require pre-production and post-production work.

[plain aurora]

yes it does

there are standards LMG have before a video shows up on YT.

[spice oak]

it's Linus sitting at his desk, with his phone in his hand talking. That's all that would be required.

no fancy graphics, cuts, etc

30 seconds out of his day

[restive rain]

why are we still talking about this

clearly xpyr is not going to change thier mind no matter what you tell them

[plain aurora]

When you are running a company at LMG's level then you will understand.
End of discussion with me.

Anyways ah news topics ah all i can think of is blu ray ahhhh let me look up some tech stuff

[lament galleon]

If you want a statement/caution about why they're dropping a sponsor more than 30 seconds of work needs to be put into it. Why would you half-ass a video like that, even if it doesn't have to be long enough to be more than a short? If they did that they'd be getting criticism from the same people about not putting any effort into a serious matter.

[plain aurora]

hmm someone may be buying TikTok, https://links.morningbrew.com/c/uCa?mblid=4188a6a12e83&mbcid=38345962.2488552&mid=c4983efccb185db3a35cddcbc64f55f7&mbuuid=gef5hWkY6A6En6dKfmAExGFJ

[lament galleon]

Someone would have to spend time writing it, then Linus would have to film it at least semi-professionally (not a walk and talk vlog) and then it would need to be edited and uploaded, possibly with sources mentioned or linked somewhere.

[restive rain]

oracle

thats strange

[plain aurora]

that's what i was thinking

i mean they have the money

but market wise

[frozen agate]

as soon as Oracle gets their hands on it you'll need a license to view the content on the app

[lament galleon]

I think the new stance is it has to be at least 50% American.

[restive rain]

LOOL

[lament galleon]

Because idk, our government thinks we own the world and can demand whatever we want I guess.

[restive rain]

yea, last i heard

[frozen agate]

I mean.... Greenland right?

[restive rain]

greenland? more like ourland

[lament galleon]

No it's definitely evidenced in a lot of ways other than tiktok 😂

[frozen agate]

I literally cannot say anything more than that because of warship

but yeah

[lament galleon]

What's warship gonna do?

It automod's politics?

[restive rain]

probably some choice words?

[plain aurora]

it has blocked my use of gifs in the past

[frozen agate]

automod will probably grab anything synonymous with Fart

[lament galleon]

Maybe. We can talk about how insane that suggestion is without choice words XD

[plain aurora]

because the gif had the other word for cat, starting with p

[restive rain]

lol

why would they use that instead of cat

this is getting off topic from wan adj stuff though

[frozen agate]

I remember back when there was a mini uprising in #pilot-toast about the "controversial topics" rule lol

[plain aurora]

LOL just got warshipped because i was sharing what today is has a signifcant meaning, let me find out what the word is and then i'll refraze

[lament galleon]

Oh, the GIF urls lmao

[plain aurora]

okay today its been 80 years since that camp that took people of a certain race during a war to a famous camp in germany, since that was liberated.

[lament galleon]

If invading sovereign nations is a controversial topic idk what to say.

[lament galleon]

But you're right, this is nonsense 😂

[plain aurora]

tomorrow is data privacy day, none of my business though

[frozen agate]

so anyways, topical cat time

[lament galleon]

Stealing that, thx

[frozen agate]

https://tenor.com/oTmmUK1tb3r.gif

[lament galleon]

just like your data :P

[frozen agate]

the only one stealing data here is me

im stealing your discord messages

for my own use

[restive rain]

:0

[plain aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-gif-27445324

[frozen agate]

oh no

kitty

[plain aurora]

meow. mew. meeeeow.

[lament galleon]

Discord does that already

And I have to agree to it for a short time every few months to not lose my active developer badge 🙃

[plain aurora]

besides bots have been stealing our messages anyways to train AI.

[lament galleon]

A friend added an AI chatbot to a small-ish server they own and after tracking down the bot's privacy policy (a random google doc) it was actually just terrible. No one reads this stuff.

[frozen agate]

I once built a bot that was trained to do sentiment analysis on messages over the context of tens of messages, allowing it to selectively moderate based on the context of the chat as well as the contents of the message it was checking

it did not take off, sadly

otherwise I'd probably be one of the premier bot devs on Discord rn, since that sort of thing is now apparently taking off

[plain aurora]

that would have been one interesting bot

[frozen agate]

I built it over a summer when in high school because I was bored and wanted to learn about machine learning

[lament galleon]

That sort of stuff is really cool, for me it just comes down to how much trust we can put in the dev to respect the data. (usually not a lot)

You're here so I'm sure your bot was good 😂

[frozen agate]

honestly, the worst part was trying to make sure the data was properly anonymised

plus I also had to navigate GDPR, which at 16 years old was not something I really knew how to do effectively, lol

still dont now, but I sorta figure it out

[elfin cloud]

https://repebble.com/

[lament galleon]

Now that's a topic

[timid ruin]

Wait, GDPR at 16? You're young my friend

[frozen agate]

I mean, I'm 22 now

So, yeah

Lol

[timid ruin]

Oh my sweet summer child

Goes to show though that age and maturity doesn't go hand in hand (and take this as a compliment)

[frozen agate]

Lol, many trauma reasons for that in my case

[timid ruin]

I feel you there. I was told back when I was 24 by a Japanese friend (who was very middle-aged at the time) that I talk like I'm 40, and I really couldn't respond to that (he did mean it well, I was just not really sure what it was that made me sound that way).

[frozen agate]

I am the youngest person in my workplace to hold any position higher than the bottom of the ladder

I had to fight like hell to get the privilege of taking the test for the promotion

It's been a learning curve, but I'm getting there

[timid ruin]

Oh, so you hold the top of the ladder? a lot safer to hold it there (jk jk)

But GG

[frozen agate]

One of my managers wants me to put myself forward for another promotion, though I'm a little hesitant since I'm having some issues with my current position lol

[timid ruin]

At 22 I was just starting university, so it's hard to imagine how to be a young people leader

So you're definitely doing great

Just be careful not to burn out too fast

[frozen agate]

Haha, I've already hit that wall

Burned out hard and fast and made myself very sick

Only just recovering now after being ill for a month

I'd argue that makes me incredibly qualified to talk about work life balance and how it might affect people

Turns out working religious 50+ hour weeks takes a toll on more than your body

[timid ruin]

Yeah, that's not worth it. I worked in many industries and many positions, and deliberately turned down anything that would've put me in charge of teams, since I know I'd burn out fast. I've seen so many leaders by then, who I first thought were bad leaders, but turns out they were just super stressed bc of their bosses. Gives you perspective.
But then again, some people make great leaders and enjoy the position as well, so it's definitely for some people, just not me.

[timid ruin]

I mean, I'm coming from Eastern Europe and live in Scandinavia, I could talk about the meaning of work-life balance (and how only one of these regions really grasp it) all day

[frozen agate]

Kek

[frozen agate]

Yeah, I've had to deal with that experience first hand, it's quite humbling

Anyways, it's 1 AM, currently unsure if I should sleep, or continue watching YouTube

[timid ruin]

Lol, it's 2am here, and I just woke up to turn sides, so I'm definitely voting for sleep

But I'm not your mum, so I'll just suggest it in a friendly way that sleep is good

[frozen agate]

Entirely understandable

I'm currently awaiting news on if someone is streaming before I make my choice

Might pull an all nighter, not like I'm at work this week (yay PTO)

[timid ruin]

I'm not even gonna judge, I still remember how my average sleeping time in university was well below ideal (and no, it wasn't work or the studies, it was video games )

[frozen agate]

(I average between 4 and 5 hours most nights)

[frozen agate]

Anyways, have a good night

[timid ruin]

I get cranky if I don't make it to 6-8 at least

[timid ruin]

Same to you!

[forest frigate]

https://youtu.be/5WziV0lvz-c?si=iMPPy4rDi7-IbcKl

We didn't need this video

[woeful crescent]

The best part about it, he filmed the OG video twice.. so much for I was just frustrated and such..

[forest frigate]

This is a "I'm still right, Linus is wrong." Video

[restive rain]

so farming more drama, when can they stop

[forest frigate]

Yup

[restive rain]

is it not normal to like your own comment 🤨

i do it, reddit does it by default

[forest frigate]

I never like my own comments 😂

It is weird 😂

[restive rain]

oh 😳

[forest frigate]

😂

One of my comments got deleted

[restive rain]

i would hope people are mostly calling this out for what it is

i really dont feel like going and looking though

[forest frigate]

Nah, people who are posting are just agreeing with him. One of my messages have definitely disappeared though

[restive rain]

comment section is so much glazing lol

that was anything but objective but pop off

[forest frigate]

Wasn't objective at all 😂

[restive rain]

its literally an echo chamber, not a single negative comment on that video lmao

not giving that any more brain power

not worth

[forest frigate]

I think he's deleting the comments

Mine has disappeared

Also

Lol

[plain aurora]

Basically "you need to agree with me"

It's funny how the spotify comments on the WAN show are supportive of Linus and not calling him out yet the other two i am reading calling out for both of them.

[forest frigate]

It seems it is very much a "the drama has calmed down and Linus didn't take the bait.. better remind people again."

[spice oak]

I found your comment. It got one upvote.

[forest frigate]

The crazy thing is that for the second time, he's bringing his trauma up about his mum.

[forest frigate]

You didn't find my second one which disappeared.

[spice oak]

so if your comment disappears, it is not being deleted. It's just youtube's comment system.

[forest frigate]

Nah, it definitely disappeared. It was in response to the person replying to me.

[spice oak]

out of all the comments there, you really think it is being manually deleted?

[forest frigate]

It had some criticism

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-its-gone-gif-4104229

[restive rain]

if its not showing up it either got deleted or held for spam

i know some of my replies on another creators video recently got help for spam because they wouldn't show up

[spice oak]

most likely held for spam

I've had my comments not show up when it had urls in it

[forest frigate]

I basically said that this video is going to feed the trolls on both sides of the aisle. It was there for about 2 or 3 minutes then disappeared. I can't even find it in my history either

[spice oak]

so I no longer include urls in them

[forest frigate]

Well, spam usually gets filtered straight away, I didn't swear or post URLs and shit. Just wrote a lengthy paragraph.

Anyways ,off to sleep, night peeps

[crude sandal]

Truly braindead

[crude sandal]

Extra braindead

[crude sandal]

Digging his own grave

[cursive tiger]

if linus' apologies are meaningless then why should his be given any more meaning ?

[plain aurora]

tbh i have this impression that the only apology they will take is that LMG closes down and he retires for good. No more competition.

[cursive tiger]

and how many ltt viewers watch the wan show ? sweet fuck all too

[hard lintel]

is that including clips views?

[hard lintel]

another question is the intended audience. are they calling the channel, or the viewers, to take action?

What I would like LTT to do is keep tabs on the guy behind honey if he made spin-offs of the extension. Include a Tech Tip(tm) about how scammers tend to repeat same scam under a different name after they're busted. Maybe incorporated into a piece about other shoddy yet popular extensions

[spice oak]

that's what clips from the wanshow are for

some people like Yvonne admit she only watches clips, not the whole wanshow

[brittle moon]

before i started fully watching wan show, i watched a lot of clips

[hard lintel]

i'm all over the place lol. sometimes i watch it, sometimes i check out a few clips, sometimes i'm not interested at all

[brittle moon]

ill usually watch the start of wan show (usually the first hour or so), then ill go watch another livestream that happens on fridays. Then I usually watch/listen to the remainder of wan show throughout the week

[plain aurora]

i watch/listen a few times as i often use it to sleep

it's not because they are boring, its because i know what to expect so my brain just goes "yep you can sleep now" and it stops my brain having these random dreams from whats happened during the day

[woeful crescent]

I turn on the WANShow.. how attentive I am depends on the tpic..

[coral patio]

I feel like that kind of video is more of something someone would do. It doesn't sound like an LTT video that would get watched cause it's not their style. Hardware is more ltt style and some general software stuff that will matter for longer than the life of a scam extension. Techlinked would talk probably talk about an extension or two if there was news about it. It could be a quickbit

[hard lintel]

That's valid

[coral patio]

Still a good video idea that I'd totally watch

[low otter]

oh 100% that'd be a great video

LTT isn't any stranger to covering scams either - Aires Tech is only one recent example

[coral patio]

Before that video came out I thought it was a delided cpu that linus just wore cause

[trim obsidian]

shhh don't let Nicole Arbour hear you say that. lol

[muted blade]

The whole attack on his character does not seem consistent with what i've seen

[low otter]

I am subscribed to all three channels (LTT, GN, and Louis Rossmann) - all three make good content and are fascinating in their own ways

That said, there are a few important points Louis pointed out that i would really like to see Linus address. mainly:

• Linus worrying people will get mad at him for warning them about Honey back then, forgetting that Honey was stealing from people richer than the average consumer and would likely show even less regard to consumers
• Why Linus allegedly tried to guilt Rossmann into joining LTX 2019 despite it not making financial or charitable sense to Rossmann (he offered to go if Linus paid for his +1, which LTT refused twice) - and after Rossmann's hands had gotten tied with having to train a new employee
• Rossmann asserting that Right of Reply only applies when unsubstantiated claims without evidence are being investigated, and is not ethically required when evidence of objective faults (more specifically the accuracy & overspeed concerns) is already out there

There's still a couple of points from GamersNexus' post i feel Linus should also address, such as:

• LTT's alleged plagiarism of GN's content & original investigations in 2021 and 2022
• Linus sending GN that text message to an old phone number GN no longer uses (due to it being part of a dox) when the two had previously been in frequent communication on GN's new number

I also have a couple of my own personal concerns, such as:

• Why he didn't go after honey when it was reported back around Oct 2024 that honey's parent company paypal was sharing your personal data with advertisers
• Him using the "tech brotherhood" comment kinda felt like it was diminishing the validity of GamersNexus' independence, which is not good from a consumer standpoint

On the other side, I feel like GamersNexus should also address:

• Linus' emails to Billet Labs that he revealed on WAN Show (which was the crux of Linus' plea for Right of Reply)

If there's other points I'm forgetting or that I've missed, please do feel free to inform me

[muted blade]

That's of course if you take Louis's word at face value

[low otter]

I've done some of my own research on Right of Reply and it appears the standard varies depending on where you go

Or rather the definition of the standard

It is indeed bad practice to just take people's word for it and flip-flop between sides so I'm trying to listen to and understand all sides to make my own conclusions

[thin mesa]

Exactly

[woeful crescent]

I don't think, and I personally hope, Linus isn't gonna address anything else.. its 100% clear that neither Steve nor Rossman are interested in a good faith discussion, so any more talking just keeps the drama going.. its not worth it. Unless something new, and major, comes out, I hope to never hear Linus talk about the situation again, except maybe if they decide to meet with Steve in person..

[thin mesa]

Then take GNs previous behaviour. They always gave other companies they were putting on blast the right to reply, but in this case it's a personal grudge so Steve is operating under different, arbitrary standards. That's a terrible look

One which they've acknowledged now by moving their own goalposts

[woeful crescent]

The funniest part of all of this new drama is Steve and Rossman both feel they have issues with something Linus did, YEARS ago, and sat on it, for YEARS, only to come out now as part of an Attack on linus for not speaking out on something YEARS ago.. even though especially Rossman says what hew know put "creators at risk" from Linus.. but that was fine, but Linus not speaking out about Honey putting creators at risk is unforgivable.. It just shows its not a good faith argument, its stirring up drama..

When is the last time there was an LTT channel video about drama, apart from the 'Where do we go from here' response to GNs piece.. I can't remember one? Keep the content positive and free of attacks and shit..

[thin mesa]

Yeah, it's a reach, and my personal view (which is of course my own) is that Steve is reeling from the fact that his 2023 hit piece only did more good than harm, so now rossmann is trying to convince everyone LMG did absolutely nothing at all in the wake of it except gaslight everyone

[woeful crescent]

Rossman is always a wildcard.. Steve has a personal issue with Linus, justified or not, and either just because of that, or cause he wanted more views on his Honey video, decided to take another swipe..

[low otter]

i feel like that's already been addressed by GN here. i haven't rewatched those videos of his to verify though

[woeful crescent]

I mean take Steves view that Linus plagiarized them.. agree or not (I don't cause having a list of points is different than reciting off the same content), the end of that Email chain was Steve sounding satisfied.. yet here he is, years later, making it the first point of why hes mad at LMG.. Which means he wasn't satisifed, and stewed on it.. But also Never communicated to Linus that "No, I want more direct action" .. Linus can't read minds.. if he told Steve to Fuck off then ya, would get holding on to a grudge, but he wasn't..

And if the issue was just that the Clips version of the Wanshow segment didn't have the note, well Linus doesn't upload the videos and make the clips.. if it was missed, that would have been an oversight, send a mail saying "Hey, noticed the attribution didn't make it to this vid too"..

[low otter]

i think that's more of a case where gn thanked linus in advance of such corrective action but linus didn't actually do it (satisfactorily or otherwise)

[woeful crescent]

Linus said in the mail what he was gonna do.. If he wanted more, or if what was done wasn't enough, then say so.. don't sit on it for years.

Its not like they haven't talked since then, they had colabs after that

[low otter]

fair point, gn didn't show where he followed up (if at all) with linus with a concern about the inadequate citation

[low otter]

yea louis lamented that he didn't go public with his story sooner

for the timeliness concerns with him on his other points, i speculate he was intimidated by linus' size or probably had more reverence towards him at the time. it appears the misdirected text message to steve changed his mind and moved him to make his recent video

[woeful crescent]

Rossman loves different standards.. I mean others pointed out his app that was used to bypass ads on youtube, that you pay for, and would deny creators their ad revenue unless the joined or opted out (cause everyone was opt in by default).. But Honey is a big issue..

Rossmann, intimidated? Uhh.. same guy? There are many ways to descibe him but shying away from an issue cause of size, not one of them..

[low otter]

especially since it came across as paralleling an earlier unpleasant experience he himself allegedly had with linus, and paralleling his negative experiences with his mother

[low otter]

yea maybe not so much the size, i think maybe it was because they had been on positive terms in the past

he had previously covered ltt negatively during warrantygate and he said he felt like he pulled his punches too much

[thin mesa]

The thing is, that came in retrospect only after Linus called it out. If integrity was at play here they would have explained why they're going immediately to blast on a fellow content creator instead of approaching them first

[woeful crescent]

Rossman feeds on the david vs goliath.. and he flat out has said hes been pushing Steve to be more like that, so his video to me just screams of nothing more than doing that.. all for what boils down to "Linus and I were both dicks in an email exchange once.."

[thin mesa]

But the fact remains that Steve wants to fire one of his so-called killshots, because the last one didn't go nearly as badly for LMG as it's evident he was hoping it would, which is why he's immediately called for backup this time

[woeful crescent]

In any case, best thing for LMG to do is ignore it.. Don't feed the trolls. Sure in a week of no response they will say its cause Linus can't respond and talk his way out of it, and then they will turn their attention elsewhere, or at eachother..

[low otter]

i don't recall hearing that. i do recall louis recommending GN to go back to how he operated before he changed himself to measure up to the standards LTT was allegedly holding GN to

[thin mesa]

Let's not get hasty, we know they'll milk silence as much as they can

[woeful crescent]

I mean fuck BilletLabs was satisified with the resolion at the end they even came back to the LTTSub to show off their next version and see if they wanted it to get tested..

[low otter]

ooh really?

[woeful crescent]

Yep.. needless to say the Sub was still sour, sadly..

[low otter]

got a link or screenshot?

searching thru it but can't seem to find it

if it's true that's actually pretty cool

[woeful crescent]

But it was their official account back.. They agreed that it was all a lot of misscommunication.. I do not, I just remember it happening and seeing a lot of the community yell at them blaming them for the shit that happened.. when really again, it was just a lot of communication breakdowns, among Everyone, and no one got a pass on it in my book.

[low otter]

oooh i think i found something actually
https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/18d6m3u/comment/kcfryyy/

[woeful crescent]

Looks like it.. I was checking their post history and saw nothing, so figured it was deleted..

[low otter]

(most recent comment from Billet Labs' reddit account regarding Linus Tech Tips that i could find)

another one (where the OP also deleted their message)
https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/18d6m3u/comment/kcfmcnz/

[woeful crescent]

I upvoted that post back when it happened lol

[low otter]

nice

i think i was still hanging back from LTT at the time so methinks i missed it when it was new

[woeful crescent]

I never stopped... The Madison thing could have done it for me, IF others came out, or if the investigation found something.. but since neither happened, its he-said she-said.. I want more than that.. Unless I personally know the person and can vouch for their creditability..

[cursive tiger]

the rtx 4080 12gb shall haunt your dreams 👻

[plain aurora]

[tiny nimbus]

Linus can finally ditch that Apple Watch https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/27/24352968/pebble-smartwatch-open-source-google-comeback

[runic badger]

A) “I would also be very curious to see receipts for the claims that we have a ‘history of failure to resolve issues or unprofessionalism in prior communications.” - Linus Sebastian ( WAN Show) January 17, 2025

" Our Response to Linus Sebastian" - GamersNexus January 21, 2025 Attached photo or you can directly view it on Gamersnexus website .

"My plan was to not discuss the whole situation right now any further. like many of you, we wanted to keep this whole thing from dragging out so we said our piece. Steve from GamersNexus wrote a manifesto that could probably be best summed up as no you, then it was done"- Linus Sebastian ( WAN Show) January 24, 2025.

"Steve asked me to direct any communications about his ethical breach and consistent defamatory statements to his lawyer , as I clearly stated before I don't have a lawyer involved and I don't want one involved.The core issue has not been addressed at all, because of ethical and process errors Steve published false and damaging information about a competitor" - Linus Sebastian ( WAN Show) January 24, 2025.

"The point is that this is so much more worse now , faced with the unavoidable fact that he got it wrong and caused a bunch of damage with his actions Steve has outright refused to apologize, correct or retract any of his false statements. That's next level man" - Linus Sebastian ( WAN Show) January 24, 2025.

the truth is as clear as day to those who are looking for it.

[thin mesa]

Basically, he (Steve) hurled a turd and then said "how dare you question me, speak to my lawyer"

Then ran to his buddy Louis to ask him if he has any more turds to hurl, and he was like "i gotchu fam"

Now they're both trying to convince people Linus lied about having turds hurled at him, and selectively dragging up the past as 'proof'

One thing that's notable to me is how steve has recently become buddies with a lawyer, but the question is this, can GN truly afford to get as litigious as they're making it sound they will?

Especially given the irrefutable evidence of their antagonistic behaviour

(also I'm aware of how asinine my turd-hurling metaphor is)

[lost fiber]

Honestly this crap is getting old. If there's no tangible benefit to continue shit-slinging, or a detriment if they don't engage - they shouldn't.

All sides made their point clear, and it's just a "no u" match right now. It sucks, and there's nothing more anyone could say that hasn't been said about these specific situations.

[plain aurora]

Goodnight, why not reply some old wan

[runic badger]

The legal part only came up due to Linus in wan show January 17, 2025
https://youtu.be/vXnjc5cX-Lo?t=468

the way Linus worded it sounded like a legal threat that he said was not a threat and he wouldn't act based on it .

Also keep in mind Linus evaded responding to the receipts that he asked for and skipped that he was the one that brought up litigation to say that Steve

asked him to direct any communication "about his ethical breach and consistent defamatory statements " to his lawyer .

in addition notice how "friend" became "competitor".

I understand there can be no resolution or constructive conversation to have about these matter since it became a stalemate and everything was left in the hands of "fans".

[thin mesa]

the way Linus worded it sounded like a legal threat that he said was not a threat and he wouldn't act based on it .

come again?

[tiny nimbus]

Saying effectively “I could file a lawsuit over this but I’m not litigious”

Much the same was said following the Madison investigation, “unsubstantiated and unfair, further accusations could result in legal action but I don’t want that”

[thin mesa]

okay, so how does that compare with "talk to my lawyer"?

and as for replacing "friend" with "competitor" well that's more than fair isn't it? Friends don't publicly mudsling in the first place, so it's obvious that GN doesn't see them as friends

[frozen agate]

one made vague comments about a lawsuit being possible and the other made it clear he had no wishes to interact if it wasnt via a lawyer to protect himself

[thin mesa]

And the wider response to that seems to be like this:
linus: i don't wanna make this a legal thing
GN and everyone else: SEE HE WANTS TO MAKE IT A LEGAL THING

[frozen agate]

the only interpretation that matters there is Steves interpretation.

Which is that he has pushed as far as he can push without this coming to blows in a court of law. Which Linus has clearly stated he doesn't want. I'll be honest I don't even see why this is something that we are discussing here

[thin mesa]

Me neither, Steve's the one who said "talk to my lawyer" and it's been told to me above that the legal part is thanks to Linus. Personally I see that at a reach but okay, they're free to think that

[frozen agate]

how come you brought it up if you don't know why we're discussing it?

(I'm not saying you're wrong, to be clear, I do wholeheartedly agree with my understanding of what you're saying)

[thin mesa]

Because I was reminded of recent videos where steve is talking to a lawyer, and my previous point was steve bringing in his buddy (louis), seems he also has a lawyer buddy now too he wants to involve

[frozen agate]

Remember though, they're both yanks. Yankistan is one of the if not the most letigious nation there is

[thin mesa]

(oh don't worry I'm not pushing back against anything you're saying here either, just explaining myself)

[frozen agate]

of course they're going to interpret a minor comment about how Linus could sue if he didn't want to resolve this amicably and behind closed doors as a threat that Linus is going to drop a 52 Megaton tactical hydrogen bomb on their orgs from low martian orbit

[thin mesa]

Yeahz that's why I find it kinda funny. I'm not yank either but my view of yankistan legal process is most money = most right, especially in cases of slander and libel. And Linus has the most money, which is why I think trying to make it a legal fight might be the dumbest move Steve has made yet (even dumber than hurling the first turd)

[frozen agate]

Let's just be super clear here, Steve only hurled that first turd because he thought his audience would let him get away with it, just like they did in August 2023

He panicked when they called him out

created a bigger drama

got called out by the creator he was attacking

lawyered up because he knew he screwed up

[thin mesa]

And because Linus didn't tell him to stfu in 2023, which imho he had more than enough right to do. Instead he did everything right

[frozen agate]

and is now going silent to avoid saying something dumb that will possibly land him a libel case

[thin mesa]

I've been saying for a while now that I'd love to see Linus tell Steve to stfu (a phrase Steve uses a lot in his videos when talking about things other companies representatives had said) but I never thought I'd see the day. And yeah, now it basically happened, Steve is doubling down and calling in his buddies

[frozen agate]

This is like a playground fight in a primary school (Elementary or early Middle school for the yanks) where two kids from the younger years would gang up on one guy from the older years and stir crap because they can get away with it

only this time the principle has allowed the older kid to puff his chest up a little to make himself bigger

anyways, change of topic

https://tenor.com/dqK3NCCLnTA.gif

cat gif time

[thin mesa]

I'd love to see LMG poach all of GNs staff, that's how I feel about it

[frozen agate]

I wouldnt

think about how bad the work culture would be

[thin mesa]

Depends how bad they have it now

Who knows, we barely get a glimpse of them anyway

[frozen agate]

if Steve is pulling 100+ hour weeks do you think any of his guys are working 9-5?

I doubt it

he has a camera guy, chances are he is also pulling at least 50 hour weeks

their editor is probably doing the same

their testing guys are probably doing ungodly weeks too

isn't it funny how all the things that were alleged about LMG are things that can easily be logically extracted onto other companies that throw mud around

[thin mesa]

A lot of Steve's flexing about how many hours he does comes across as "because nobody else anywhere ever can do things anywhere near as well as I can. Oh also this video is gonna be rushed because (flex flex) I'm getting on a plane in 43 minutes"

[frozen agate]

there will come a time when he will inevitably burn out

and when he does it will be spectacular

(presuming this isnt his spectacular burn out already)

[thin mesa]

Where did Patrick Stone go anyway, absolutely loved GNs videos where he got screen time, and it did always feel like it pained Steve to let him speak uninterrupted for more than 15 seconds

[frozen agate]

that's a great question

truth is I don't have an answer for you

[thin mesa]

Yeah I've asked this a few times even before Steve started mudslinging, never have got an answer. And their Discord is patrons only right? Or at least it used to be

Last time I recall seeing him, they were doing some charity thing at Microcenter in a video and I'm sure Steve said something along the lines of "he's (Stone) worked with us a lot in the past". But don't quote me on that

[marble frigate]

He has a main job as a teacher iirc, the GN gig is likely just a side job to test PSUs and stuff

[spice oak]

When Linus showed the emails from billet labs recently on wanshow, I didn't see one about it being a gift. Now I see billet labs response indicating it was originally a gift under the agreement that LTT would fully test it because they wanted feed back on it, which meant testing it with a 3090. Since LTT didn't test it with a 3090, and instead tried with a 4090, which didn't work, billet labs did ask for it back. And that's where this all started.

[frozen agate]

yeah that wasnt where this all started

this started long before then

[thin mesa]

Which he used to be doing a lot but seems to have effectively just vanished from their operation, since around the time they unpacked the fan tester

[frozen agate]

it was just the catalyst that made Steve put the original video out

[thin mesa]

Oh, according to Linkedin, Stone's time at GN ended in August '22. A real shame imo, he was great, but it speaks to his character that he'd rather teach

[spice oak]

teaching is a noble job

[spice oak]

I was referring to when gamersnexus got involved. What were you referring to?

[frozen agate]

the start of the first issues that GN was descrbing back in 2023

[spice oak]

the rushed videos and quick fixes done for errors?

[frozen agate]

yes

[spice oak]

billet labs was in the same video

[frozen agate]

Re-read what I said

I didn't say it wasnt

just that Billet labs was the catalyst that caused Steve to create the video

[spice oak]

at the beginning of the video, it was only about ltt rushing too much

can you link to the part where he says he created the video because of billet labs?

[thin mesa]

just because he didn't mention it first in the video doesn't mean it wasn't the thing that made him pull the trigger

[spice oak]

this video by the way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGW3TPytTjc

[thin mesa]

what a stupid request

[frozen agate]

xpyr, you're being antagonistic by purposefully misinterpreting my statement

[spice oak]

if you say billet labs was the reason for creating it, then provide the evidence

[spice oak]

is this supposed to mean something different?

[thin mesa]

that's already been presented but you want irrefutable proof as opposed to evidence

so stop asking for evidence

[frozen agate]

Billet labs was the most recent (at the time) and biggest screw up that GN had any evidence of. It isn't hard to put 2 and 2 together and get 4.

[spice oak]

you present it as evidence, but don't say where in the video your evidence is

[frozen agate]

I did no such thing

[spice oak]

now your gaslighting me

goodbye

[thin mesa]

holy irony

[spice oak]

you too

[frozen agate]

I stated a contextual factor which provides reasonable suggestion as for the motive that may have caused the original video to be published

if you cannot accept that, then I wish you luck in your drama farming quest, but facts are still facts, and speculation is still exactly that. I was speculating based on reasonable assumptions for information available at the time

[thin mesa]

"gaslight then say you're being gaslit" is turning into a recurring theme within a certain camp of this situation

[frozen agate]

and in all fairness your contributions are not exactly helping to change that fact Nex

[thin mesa]

I'm not even claiming to contribute anything to anybody so that's fair

I'm a dude on discord sharting out my thoughts

[frozen agate]

I noticed, and all it is really doing causing people to dig into the sand and bury their heads in their echo chambers

(not to mention giving them ammunition to keep dragging this channel back into the drama)

[thin mesa]

I'd do the exact same in GNs discord if it wasn't paywalled, for what it's worth

Though I have my suspicions the crowd there would be much more abrasive, and not just because I believe Linus deserved to call Steve out and having held back for so long is pretty damn commendable in my book

And i don't even know or care if Rossmann has a discord, as far as I'm concerned he's just rabble in this situation

[restive rain]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-review-kitten-review-funny-cute-gif-25834270

[mossy socket]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-black-cat-big-eyes-big-eyed-cat-cute-gif-14459530881087846518

[spice oak]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-kiss-lunaistabby-kitty-cute-cat-gif-702362695713301435

[frozen agate]

I love how people have taken my hint and turned it into a thing

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cathands-cat-in-hat-cat-with-hands-silly-cat-gif-14981685377760273746

[timid ruin]

Moss has opinions, too:

[spice cairn]

typical orange cat behavior

[tender prism]

You're being gaslit

[frozen agate]

nooo not Moss!

[timid ruin]

He is a drama queen, can't help it. He has an opinion about everything. Can't block it out. Can moderate. Fortunately I can't decode meowing, so it's all good.

(as I sent this, he jumped up next to me and made a comment, I can only guess what he meant)

[thin mesa]

aren't we all? but yeahhh stick to cats now xD

[timid ruin]

My cat never lights his gas

[frozen agate]

Truly one of the greatest minds on this planet

[frozen agate]

[timid ruin]

Truth. Which reminds me. We need a WAN show where Linus's cat and Luke's birb are replacing their owners for a bit (well, one of the cats and one of the birbs, that is). Dan can still moderate them.

You can't hate that WAN show

[frozen agate]

I think that would be brilliant

whenever the next April fools falls on WANsday, they should replace the hosts with their pets

or their spouses

Yvonne + Emma

it's just crafting news and not tech tips

[timid ruin]

Oh yeah, I mean, Yvonne just randomly calling Linus with the "Hey, so you're on the show..." and ask a random silly question.

I would be totally up for it

[thin mesa]

wan show but vrchat/secondlife...actually no forget that I just remember what those communities are like

ain't no way it'd stay pg13 longer than a picosecond after people find out about it

[glossy latch]

My hope is that this april fools, it’s linus retiring- but the bit needs to start in the middle of march. Linus isn’t seen in videos, dan takes his seat at the wan show (linus acting as dan to answer merch messages), and he’s just gone until april 1st.

[frozen agate]

honestly, whilst it would be hilarious, I doubt that Linus would bite for that

plus he'd have to possibly give up the streak

[glossy latch]

Or find a linus lookalike

[thin mesa]

but what about if there was a new hire, Sinus Lebastian?

[frozen agate]

sounds like an awful chest infection

[thin mesa]

to take his place

that could be the joke, a total mouthbreather

[glossy latch]

That’s why he’d take dan’s place as producer- still there, the streak lives.

[timid ruin]

Same thought, especially since I'm prone to sinus infections

[frozen agate]

me too sadly

[timid ruin]

Luckily not Linus infections tho

Especially since Canada is very far

[frozen agate]

Say goodbye to your budget hardware America
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/trump-to-impose-25-percent-100-percent-tariffs-on-taiwan-made-chips-impacting-tsmc

[wanton token]

but why

thats just shooting yourself in the foot

[frozen agate]

politicians were never known for their ability to reason

[wanton token]

The entire point was to stop China from overtaking US in semiconductor

and then Trump comes and slap it with the tariff

what is buddy trying to do, when most of his talking points is to make sure America is the first place

[frozen agate]

He's forcing companies to either produce in the states or not produce at all, is what hes doing

[wanton token]

which is frankly stupid when the states dont have the fab spun up yet

[restive rain]

we are so cooked

[runic badger]

so cocking a gun is fine as long as you don't shoot it ?
would you stay in the same place if someone cocks a gun and say he wouldn't use it ?

as I said earlier I understand there can be no resolution or constructive conversation to have about these matter since it became a stalemate and everything was left in the hands of "fans".

[void pivot]

He’s forcing you to pay more. Higher tariffs, costs are passed on. Then as I understand it you have sales tax in the US. Higher price is higher value in taxation. Stealth taxation raise and he’s just raised millions for government funding.

[frozen agate]

that is what the immediate outcome is yes, but the long term goal of this is more likely along the lines of what I stated

[frozen agate]

That gun was never cocked though, also this is very hyperbolic vs the reality of the situation

I'm not going to debate it with you because I have better things to do, but, that is my two cents

[runic badger]

Linus himself said he brought up that sentence in case of liable and defamation , went to say he will not be using it to bring a lawsuit because A he doesn't know if it qualifies and B it would be a huge waste of money .
that's exactly like bringing out a gun cocking it and then stating that you are not here for a shootout and you are not a gun person .
for the third time I state this there can be no resolution or constructive conversation to have about these matter since it became a stalemate and everything was left in the hands of "fans".

[frozen agate]

you keep repeating that last bit, and yet you keep trying to continue the conversation

regardless of your opinion on the matter, Linus has stated that there would be nothing to gain from going the lawsuit route. He has effectively disarmed the gun pointed at him and cocked by Steve, in your analogy

[void pivot]

It’s also the long term outcome. If they don’t get reduced you will always pay more. Materials for anything created in the US that come externally are still set with said tariff. You’ll also have that stealth taxation raise and Trumps laughing at saying “lower taxes” but then still generating the revenue without the mass population realising.

[runic badger]

regardless of my opinion disarming the gun will be basically retracting the sentence he said which he didn't , making a legal statement then simply saying he wouldn't use it will not prevent him from using it now or in the future.

and in case your next argument is why are you here if you are not a fan , I used to be a fan of LTT, GN, Jay, MKBHD and now I am fan of none of them.
every single one of them is flawed just like any other human and that's what they should be seen as .

[thin mesa]

did i miss something in this whole situation? because the turn of events so far this year as i've seen it has been that linus was just minding his own business, talking about only his own channel and what he did and didn't do, then steve came along with "i'm doing this because linus said he won't" which I doubt is even true but that's sure how he made it out to sound, when he could have just carried on and done his thing without throwing mud at Linus but he made his choice, and then everything else happened to get to where we are now - it's all about 2023 again while also louis is ranting about how much he hates linus

[void pivot]

I don’t think it actually matters

[timid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/angy-angry-angy-cat-angy-kitten-angy-kitty-gif-9568856844255409141

[tender prism]

So conflict was done and put to sleep a few years ago. Then when the Honey thing came out, Steve from GamersNexus made it a point to specifically dedicate a segment on his video calling out LTT yet again. That's why the drama is starting again. Only this time, instead of playing nice, LTT finally essentially told GamersNexus to stop the baiting. And now we're here

I'm sorta glad this happened though. During the first drama, everyone was just focused on LTT being bad. I called out GamersNexus for being biased and Steve holding personal grudges against Linus but nobody cared.

From reading the comments around the situation, it seems like people are starting to wake up to GamersNexus' unprofessionalism and personal grudge when it comes to LTT and maybe they're not covering them fairly

[marble frigate]

I just wonder why Louis went to LTX 2023 if he felt so slighted in 2019

[plain aurora]

Ah yes, the world is dangerous take this kitten

Cute… wait I need to attack

[restive rain]

randomly got this recommended https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1UBhjlMCQs, (from 2022)

[frozen agate]

not really the channel for it, this is more of a post for the forum, additionally you should post this in a more appropriate channel like the #1027757333117415424 channel or at a stretch it would fit in #linux, this channel is for topics intended for The WAN Show.

This sucks, but, when looking at the second forum thread you posted this seems to be a MacOS specific issue affecting the UNAS? As for the first forum thread you posted, there are clear attempts by the Ubiquiti support team to attempt to address the issue by providing support to those affected.

Please could you provide more specifics on your setup so that someone can actually attempt to help you instead of drama farming and reacting with a shocked emoji to your own message?

alternatively, seeing as Ubiquiti Support seems to be fairly actively trying to pin this down and solve it, maybe open a thread on the forum so the people who made the hardware can actually get a better idea of the situation, instead of demanding an investigation from LTT

[crude sandal]

Please just leave.

[neat kiln]

Facebook is blocking discussion of Linux
https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/facebook-flags-linux-topics-as-cybersecurity-threats-posts-and-users-being-blocked

[spice oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELnX3gEHuHI

for those who've been waiting for Emily to post her video after leaving LTT

[spice cairn]

huh I've been wondering where she went

just thought she didn't want to be in any videos after transitioning

[woeful crescent]

I haver a feeling it was a mix of reasons, ranging from not wanting the spotlight that came from being on LMG, and wanting to do other things.. maybe more.. she might open up more, but shes got lots of peeps from LMG cheering in the comments

[spice oak]

yes she does

[spice cairn]

ye that seems reasonable

[woeful crescent]

Even with LMG going out of their way to block all those nasty comments (props) its not like she didn't know it was happening.. gotta take a mental toll.. can't fault anyone for wanting to step back and away..

[spice cairn]

yea

🫠

[plain aurora]

She went through a lot and came out the other side. I’m excited for her, it’s going to be interesting seeing her journey.

[woeful crescent]

https://www.screendaily.com/news/piracy-is-the-most-successful-form-of-distribution-says-werner-herzog-/5138586.article

[plain aurora]

I wonder what server software Facebook runs on 🤔

Don’t like most web servers use Linux based software

[mossy socket]

CPM

[real stag]

Very good vid about deepseek if Luke wants to talk about it https://youtu.be/gY4Z-9QlZ64

[spice cairn]

you know it's bad when there's a whale on it

if they used a shark instead it would be all fine

not biased tho

[real stag]

So whale-lan is bad? Smh cant have such heresy here.

[spice cairn]

all whale and dolphin species are bad

[spice oak]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-lisa-simpson-bit-dolphin-gif-3722669

[obsidian garnet]

Does TSMC get a hall pass? Since they have a US foundry.

[spice cairn]

yep

[frozen agate]

it applies to goods imported, so, not unless the stuff they made was made in the states

but even then raw materials are affected still

[obsidian garnet]

I do procurement for a US manufacturing company with international plants. It was sort of a /s comment, but also, sometimes there is some fine print for "critical infrastructure", or movements of parts/materials from one location to another, even if over an international boarder.
In theory, depending on fine print, TSMC could move close to finished products to the US foundry for finishing. There would still be charges and costs associated, but not at the same rate of the tariff. It's not cut an dry.

[frozen agate]

oh yeah, there's always nuance, but trying to explain tarrifs to someone who you don't know has any knowledge on them sorta requires you to nuke the nuance and just say it is black and white even when it is not

[obsidian garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/true-gif-10431780778138318457

[tiny nimbus]

SLAP and FLOP, love it https://predictors.fail/

Vulnerabilities in Apple Silicon devices can be used to hand over sensitive info in-browser

[tiny nimbus]

First I’ve heard of L4S, but tech that reduces latency is good https://www.theverge.com/news/601100/comcast-l4s-low-latency-internet

[tender prism]

Good for her for moving past this and good for LMG for protecting her as much as they could

Not every company is going to have the same compassion

[short raptor]

interesting

I moved from one county to the next and as a result had to switch from fios to xfinity, and gaming has felt like shit every since even when I have low-ish ping

CS got genuinely harder to play

surely this fixes it

[tiny nimbus]

https://arstechnica.com/security/2025/01/report-deepseeks-chat-histories-and-internal-data-were-publicly-exposed/

[past nimbus]

people out there telling secrets to deepseek lmao

[wind hound]

its been like a week or two why are they already leaking data

[leaden wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/catholic-meryl-streep-nuns-sisters-i-have-doubts-gif-5743847

[leaden wadi]

Wow that didn't take long. Must be a new record

[plain aurora]

Poor security measures. I had some concerns around that so never tried it out. Which I turns out was a good thing.

[wind hound]

i hope this bodes well for nvidia, for the sole reason that i want my stock to go up

[crude sandal]

Because cheaping out on your developers results in these things

[tiny nimbus]

lmao https://www.theverge.com/news/603201/tesla-admits-hw3-computer-defect-replacements

[restive rain]

who could have seen this coming

[tiny nimbus]

https://www.theverge.com/news/603998/apple-google-search-remedies-monopoly-trial-stay-request

[olive bronze]

are we set for regular time tonight?

[lament galleon]

I've heard nothing otherwise so far https://whenplane.com/

(that's not an official site btw, someone here runs it)

[olive bronze]

ok. then i am going to lie down. i had a vaccination on wednesday and i still feel kind of meh

[normal patio]

this is why you should not get vaccination ||/s||

[brittle moon]

title and thumbnail!
Does What We Do Even Matter? - WAN Show January 31, 2025

[restive rain]

hmmmmmm

wonder if this is like clickbaty for like the 50 series launch

[round ermine]

Oh hey they're live

Nobody here?

[elfin cloud]

waterbottle

[round ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/water-bottle-twerk-throw-it-back-the-water-bottle-in-question-in-question-gif-25845970

That gif came up under Waterbottle. idk what it's referencing.

[bronze estuary]

Was this a drama-less WAN SHOW start?!

[hoary fjord]

WAN SHOW

[round ermine]

A third 8K video

[woeful crescent]

I think Linus should get a 5090, he will has a 30xx, but anyone with a 4090 has no business upgrading unless they have a VERY specific need.. or literally hate having money.

[olive bronze]

i feel like if you're doing 4k or 8k playing, a 5090 might be for you but not a 5080 or 5070. If you're playing at 1440 or 1080, I don't think it matters if you get a 5080 or 5070.

[round ermine]

I have a launch day 3070.

I still have literally no need to upgrade

... kinda

[olive bronze]

what resolution do you play at?

[round ermine]

4k60

But I don't play AAA games at that

I play Stellaris and FFXIV

[olive bronze]

how much memory does your 3070 have

[round ermine]

8GB

[olive bronze]

wow that's tight

[round ermine]

Yep

And it's not even the big problem

I've swapped to Linux for my daily driver

[olive bronze]

i have five machines with linux and one with windows

[round ermine]

I don't need to upgrade due to performance. I kinda need to upgrade cause I am sick of Nvidia on Linux

I would rather have an AMD card

[olive bronze]

waiting for march?

[round ermine]

More like waiting until I have a job

[olive bronze]

i hear ya

[round ermine]

I am currently a full time student

Work term this summer, and hopefully it keeps me on

[olive bronze]

i'm waiting for someone to run an LLM entirely on an RPi.

[round ermine]

Guess what

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1sN1lB76EA

[olive bronze]

i'll watch it later. love jeff's stuff

[round ermine]

And this is why Nvidia refuses to give consumer cards more VRAM

It makes the cards last longer, and it canabalizes the quadro market

[olive bronze]

my 4070ti that i bought two years ago this month, looks like its going for about half of what i paid for it on ebay

[round ermine]

I got my 3070 for $800 CAD in 2020

And it's one of the high end third party cards with fancy features

[olive bronze]

after taxes and shipping newegg is telling me i paid $909

[round ermine]

Like BIOS switch, and an LED screen that I literally cannot use cause not a single person has ever made an opensource software for it

And the Gigabyte RGB software is ABSOLUTE ASS

[olive bronze]

buying one new today, the same card is like $1300

[round ermine]

The software literally pegged one of my sata drives at 100% use when it was open

0 read/write was happening

[olive bronze]

yeah mine is a gigabyte card and the software has always been ass

[round ermine]

But the drive reported 100% use so it completely locked up

How the HELL did they screw up that bad

[formal monolith]

I should’ve realized nvidia was going to crash I finally got my mother to invest into and shes cursed

[olive bronze]

yeah nvidia put all their eggs in the the AI basket believing there would neever be competition for them

[round ermine]

Running Deepseek locally however

almost 700GB

Dear lord

It would probably have to be stored on an NVMe SSD too

[keen bloom]

Almost the size of Warzone.

[woeful crescent]

I'm with Luke on the WiiU.. it was not boring, just really weird..

[round ermine]

I still got my WiiU

Really easy to crack the thing

Same with the 3DS now

[keen bloom]

My last Nintendo console was a N64, so I wouldn't know.

[woeful crescent]

I went SNES --> Switch

[keen bloom]

Daaamn, that's a leap

[round ermine]

You could buy a second hand 3DS/2DS for like $100, and easily download literally every 3DS game with no issue

[woeful crescent]

I have a NES somewhere but I got it used well after the SNES

[formal monolith]

And I mean it literally lol she inherited 60k worth of hog stock in 2012 I tried to get her to sell it day 1 she finally sold it in 2016 you can guess the month if you look at the chart

[cursive ginkgo]

this has Got to get looked into on WAN SHOW, its going to be an EPIC GAME !!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZrKphxIUx8

[olive bronze]

i briefly had a switch light and it was like the size of a child's hands

[drifting creek]

California kickball

[tepid dust]

i think people will get muted saying what linus yelled in here 😂

[drifting creek]

https://i0.wp.com/toolguyd.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Finish-Line-Caulk-System-caulking-a-baseboard.jpg?resize=590%2C590&ssl=1

[tepid dust]

thats some nice caulk

[drifting creek]

Caulk goes where?
Caulk goes there

[keen bloom]

So would it be a Shuttle Caulk then?

[tulip hatch]

Hate the 1 min delay on YouTube

slow mode sucka

whats the point in having chat if not allowed to chat

[woeful crescent]

https://goodereader.com/blog/barnes-and-noble-nook-ereader-news/bn-clarifies-why-lenovo-m9-cant-run-the-nook-app

[olive bronze]

Wait, there's a nook tablet that doesn't run nook?

short episode tonight

[keen bloom]

Yea, very short.

[woeful crescent]

Honestly wish Linus wouldn't have addressed it at all.. now its gonna be another cycle this week of drama.. Even though his points are 100% valid..

[keen bloom]

Same, but it is what it is. :/

I literally yelled out Nooooo when he brought it up.

[woeful crescent]

Hope to never hear it again.. or at least nothing till he and steve meet, if they meet..

[jolly oar]

when they meet

at Hell in a Cell

live in Vancouver

[barren ferry]

I tuned in and jumped to the section and was soo disappointed that he couldn't take the time to listen to an honest critique.

[unique pond]

I'd buy a ticket to see that fight 🤣

[potent bloom]

Bought a precision screw driver & bit set combo during WAN show just so I could send this message, wasn't cheap either... 😅 $120 AUD ($74.78 USD) inc. shipping

[fallow nova]

I prefer it black

[plain aurora]

I feel your pain. I am in NZ and the commuter was $300 effectly. Amazing bag but ...

[potent bloom]

I wanna get the og LTT screwdriver next... and that will cost almost as much with just the thing on it's own

I wish there was a local seller here in AUS/NZ for LTT stuff that's a tad more affordable

[plain aurora]

yeah i'm sure as they get bigger we may get some more discounts. I took a gamble and got mine during black friday when it was $40 for mystery, i wanted the retro and got it

[crude sandal]

It being local wouldn't make it cheaper

It'd do the opposite

[timid ruin]

Same, we got lucky with the colour (although we ended up being charged for VAT twice due to the local carrier, but LTT did a refund on that pretty quickly).

Plus we bought the cable management set with the free headphone, and some of the last bits of the LTT female underwear, so it was a very good Black Friday buy altogether

[opal crystal]

the base price itself wouldn't be cheaper but the total might be cheaper due to shipping

[crude sandal]

Do you think the product just gets teleported there?

[opal crystal]

bulk shipping prices are a fraction of the cost of that of many individual packages

[crude sandal]

And the cost of logistics erases those savings

[opal crystal]

which do you think is cheaper. sending 1000 individually collected and tracked packages from continent A to B, or sending one big package from continent A to B, then splitting it up into 1000 individual packages there to send to final customers?

shipping a whole container is ridiculously cheap "per package" if you pay per container

so much so that the whole source to AUS part of the shipping is a rounding error per package

a standard shipping container is like 33 cubic meters with a maximum 24 metric tons of cargo weight, and costs like $2000 for example for china to europe trip. it can fit thousands of screwdrivers in it for example, meaning the cost per screwdriver for bulk shipping would be less than a dollar

[frozen agate]

you're also entirely ignoring the fact that people are expensive

[opal crystal]

okay, and? people would have to package it for the final customer regardless

you're just changing where that happens

[frozen agate]

how many orders do you think they get in Australia?

At minimum wage (AU$24.10/hr - US$15/hr), you'd need to have at least two orders per hour, for realistically a 40 hour week to make any chance of covering your cost for that one employee.

You then have taxes, insurance, rental fees, etc...

[opal crystal]

unless you want to say that there's an order of magnitude of difference between the salaries in canada vs australia that the potential dozens of dollars of extra cost per package of shipping between continents is counteracted entirely by australian salaries being that much higher

[frozen agate]

regardless of how cheap labour is, you still need to have orders to have a distribution center make sense

We do not know how many orders they get from down under, but chances are pretty high that it is nowhere near enough to cover the cost of having a distribution center and a person to staff it, and also having product kept there

[opal crystal]

correct. an LTT distribution center doesn't make sense. but a "local seller" does not necessarily mean "LTT distribution center". resellers who specialize in reselling things from many companies are a thing

[frozen agate]

Resellers also introduce complexity

if you want to buy LTT merch from a reseller, then you just go to amazon

[opal crystal]

that being said, I do believe it would be cheaper. but I think it might not be desireable for LTT because they don't control the whole pipeline then and can't fix any issues if there are some

[frozen agate]

the cost is higher, the support is worse, and then the chances of haivng problems go up

[opal crystal]

so if they want to guarantee consistent quality where they can fix any customer facing issues with shipping/ordering themselves, resellers might be a bad idea. it doesn't mean it wouldn't be cheaper though

[frozen agate]

I mean, import duties, container hire prices, stocking, paying staff, etc.

Realistically no reseller would take that on, because they probably cannot compete with the original store on price in the region

[opal crystal]

import duties don't matter since they are the same in both case. container pricing is dirt cheap, doesn't matter. stocking is an issue in both cases. staff is an issue in both cases

pricing doesn't always have to be the main reason not to do something

they don't do it because they can't guarantee a good customer experience with a reseller. and that's fine

[frozen agate]

shipping transatlantic to the EU could cost as much as US$5000

and that's for a 20ft container

for US to AUS is about $4500

[opal crystal]

I find your definition of "about" funny. I'm pretty sure you took your result from the same search

The average price to ship a container to Australia is from $850 to $4500 US Dollars

if you're not gonna take an average, at least use the phrase "up to"

and remember, you can fit thousands of LTT-sized packages in a shipping container. the cost per package is still a dollar or less

[frozen agate]

Very well then, how's this:

[frozen agate]

I worked in freight, yes, I'm quite aware

even still, there's a lot of risk, because there's no guarantee that you'd clear even half of your inventory

[opal crystal]

well I can't verify numbers for AUS shipping since I have no reliable source for that and you can find any number, big or small on the internet

so I can't tell you why one wouldn't use the services of a company that gives 1-4k range vs whoever you are quoting for the 4-18k range

[frozen agate]

Here you go, I'll even give you my source: https://sirelo.com/container-shipping/container-shipping-rates/shipping-container-to-australia/

[opal crystal]

numbers vary wildly per company

can't get more precise because this icontainers.com site apparently wants you to make an account to see anything more specific

prices do vary a lot depending on global issues, for example some china-eu rates went up 10x over covid (and came back down), and for eu-china shipping they also went up several times when ships avoided suez route in favor of sailing around africa due to geopolitical issues

but... even in the worst case scenarios, per package costs for small and light packages still ends up being negligible

[frozen agate]

I would get a rough quote for a backpack container based on UPS pricing, but im not about to make an account, regardless it is quite expensive still

per package costs are not your be all and end all though

that's where you argument falls short

you fail to take into account the human factor

and anything involved in running a store after receiving the goods

[opal crystal]

the human factor exists regardless of whether you do the final per customer packaging in vancouver or brisbane

[frozen agate]

that's the thing

it sorta doesnt

the human factor in Vancouver is a solved problem

[opal crystal]

the human factor in a reseller is also a solved problem

[frozen agate]

as soon as you bring another country in you need to hire more humans

[frozen agate]

yes and no. There's a lot more to it than just "sell to a reseller"

[opal crystal]

for any reseller of a decent size, the added load of LTT would be negligible

[frozen agate]

again, taxes, profit margin negotiations, etc

[opal crystal]

taxes exist in both cases

[frozen agate]

a reseller is going to want to charge their own margin on top of the LTT prices

[frozen agate]

didnt say they didnt

[opal crystal]

I'm saying it would be cheaper even if they charged their margin ON TOP of LTT store prices

[frozen agate]

but they're not identical in both scenarios

it simply wouldnt though

the amount of work it would take for a reseller to get a contract in place with CW, plus their margin, would mean that it actually would either be the same price in the end, or even more expensive

if the market will bare the markup from shipping from CW in Vancouver, then they will bare the same price with local regional shipping from say, Perth AUS

[opal crystal]

take AUS local shipping prices per package. take CAN-AUS shipping prices per package. subtract them. subtract bulk shipping from CAN to AUS (like 1 dollar). the rest is all potential margin

[frozen agate]

and now you're ignoring that capitalism exists

The only realistic way it would be cheaper is if it was done by Creator Warehouse directly, that way they can control prices, shipments, and the whole order factory to shipping

otherwise once people get their cuts of the pie, it would be very likely that cost would be either identical, near identical, only marginally lower, or even higher

[opal crystal]

please tell me what other costs to subtract on top which aren't similar in both cases

[frozen agate]

sure it might be cheaper, but if it is more than a few dollars

[frozen agate]

Like I was trying to imply earlier before you tried to force resellers into this. There is simply not the demand in Australia to make it worth the headache, investment, or effort required to implement any kind of distribution there (regardless of first or third party)

realistically, if LMG were to expand CW to have a distribution hub somewhere. It would likely be central europe

simply due to the higher demand they have from this region of the world

more orders = more cost effective

[opal crystal]

I said from the beginning that I'm talking about resellers instead of LTT hub

[frozen agate]

and you've once again ignored my whole point

[opal crystal]

if resellers are already dealing with 100 different companies already, what makes you think their 101st company they're reselling things for is gonna be "a headache" which they must be "forced" into

it's literally their entire business model, you're making it sound like it would be like forcing some poor aussies to do some ad hoc business that they're not used to. when it is in fact the entire existing business model for resellers and it would just be another contract in a big pile of very similar contracts

[frozen agate]

Our arguments are fundamentally incompatible, and I am no longer willing to expend energy on this discussion. Have a good day.

[spice oak]

I too was disappointed that Linus didn't even bother watching the entire video that Louis posted. He didn't get to the part on why Louis said he is a narcissist. Linus avoided even mentioning the word.

And the video clip that Linus claimed he said sorry to Louis was not what Louis's video was about. That clip was from a video of Linus visiting Louis Rossmann's store in New York City because Louis had called him an idiot for posting a video claiming you could fix your gpu by putting it in an oven. In that video, Louis showed Linus how you actually fix a gpu.

[frozen agate]

Move on xpyr, please don't keep dragging this chat back

[tiny nimbus]

I went looking for the post on X after Linus mentioned that Dr Ian Cuttress had bailed on the Rossman video after the first 20 minutes, and yup, reading that makes me even less interested in watching the video

[spice oak]

I'm just presenting facts here. If they're inconvenient for you, and you'd rather not hear them. That's a you problem.

[potent bloom]

I just want Linus to do a video checking out Crysis 1 in VR, and give some exposure to other fantastic Crysis mods (and the community behind them)

plus adding on SuperDepth3D made by my friend "BlueSkyDefender" will make it look truly fantastic

[spice oak]

that sounds awesome

[potent bloom]

yeah, the VR mod already looks amazing, but adding SuperDepth3D for realistic depth perception... now THAT would be the pinnacle of Crysis VR experience

[spice oak]

the LTT forums has a video suggestions thread

you should post that there

[terse plank]

Have Dan play Mechwarrior Living Legends

[barren ferry]

I agree with you, this is a HUGE topic very relevant to LMG that they are hugely blowing off.

[spice oak]

We'll see what happens next then.

[restive rain]

its not huge, this stupid drama has been dragged out and its just annoying now

[potent bloom]

yeah that's another Crysis mod thing they can show off, and the CryServ/CryMP mods for Crysis Wars MP

[potent bloom]

I've seen a bunch of mixed opinions with all the mess going on between Linus, Steve (GN) and Louis... I don't even know who's at fault

[spice oak]

educate yourself is all I can tell you

[potent bloom]

it's exhausting

[frozen agate]

Guys just stop replying to them and they have no reason to engage in the bait

hint hint

[spice oak]

those who don't want to do that, well you see that here

[frozen agate]

Cat gif time

[potent bloom]

nah... Crysis modding time

[spice oak]

enjoy Crysis 🙂

[spice cairn]

same, and usually in these types of situations I've got a very strong moral compass and am able to tell the bad actors apart from the misinformation out there.

[spice oak]

if you want something fun, but frustrating to play, google jelly mario 🤣

[spice cairn]

in this situation it's such a fucking mess i can't fucking tell whos in the right and who's in the wrong here

[spice oak]

don't let it frustrate you

[spice cairn]

im not

that's all I'm going to say about it

just thought id add my 2 cents

[spice oak]

enjoy your day 🙂

[spice cairn]

it is night time

i go eepy now

[potent bloom]

here's a comparison between vanilla and my custom lighting techniques, in the opening cutscene

[spice cairn]

having the flash on vs off

anyways nini~

[potent bloom]

I even made a logic system to switch between them on the fly

[spice oak]

g'nite

[cursive tiger]

my take on the situation is nobody's in the right, everybody fucked up at different times, they all could have done better and in the end they're all human

and from here on the best way to deal with the situation is just moving on

[eternal seal]

hi

[timid ruin]

...and more cats. More cats never hurt nobody.

https://tenor.com/view/crunchycat-luna-cat-smirk-smile-gif-9301919548442205824

[tiny mauve]

More cats definitely hurt mr./mrs./ms. Nobody if he/she was allergic

[timid ruin]

Only IRL, cats over Discord are definitely hypoallergenic

[limber jewel]

But but ...

[timid ruin]

Wait wait....Bavarian or Dütsch?

[pastel fox]

In response to the latest WAN Show.... My favorite retro game(s) is the settlers games.
I still play the original Settlers II for DOS occasionally, and I love Settlers 3. Pretty old games ❤️

[pastel fox]

❤️

[timid ruin]

OMG that was literally the first game I played on Windows, and the first game we owned on CD - prior Settlers II we only had floppy disc games for DOS

Such a great game

It actually referenced Monty Python in the intro, we laughed so much about it with my brother back in the day

[modern pumice]

Just listened to the part about Allen High on last Wan. We used to call it Strip Mall High because of the way it looked in early 2000's.

[tender prism]

I think who's at fault is becoming less relevant to the story and it just becomes influencers airing out their grievances against the other and creating drama

In this situation, I don't consider what Louis or GamersNexus to be doing to be journalism

[plain aurora]

Its funny listening to old WANs without Dan, i didn't realise at the time what kind of a impact having Dan on would be. Can't imagine it without him now.

[shy sorrel]

cool

[timid ruin]

We barely have time to catch up with the weekly episodes, let alone with old ones lol.... haven't even realised that it started without Dan in it, wow

[marble frigate]

They had Bell for a little while before Dan too

[timid ruin]

Doesn't ring a bell...but puns aside, I'm not familiar with that name

Then again, I've been watching WAN for less than 2 years now, so I guess there's a lot I don't know

[plain aurora]

i have been listening to the back catelog on spotify while i sleep

[timid ruin]

I did a little bit of that before I moved in with my partner. He wouldn't be able to sleep if I did that now, he barely can tolerate quiet music from under my pillow (I can't tolerate earbuds for sleeping, so we had to find a compromise of phone muffled by pillow)

Although I'll be in maternity leave soon, so I might find some time to go back to older content

[random trout]

It reminds me of The Bro Jake show on CFMI-FM (Rock 101.1 Vancouver) between the 1990's and 2010's - the radio station program producer would occasionally come on the air to add another opinion or joke around, which made for great discoure they wouldn't have otherwise had.

People often don't realize what's been missing from a live talk show until a new personality joins / leaves the show.

[timid ruin]

My first reaction was "radio, huh, boomer" but I've been listening to radio throughout my highschool years, so I'm a boomer, too

[plain aurora]

i miss the radio days xD

[random trout]

The day FM radio dies is the day I stop listening to content. 🤣 Not actually, but like, there is no replacement for lively, well-rounded, entertaining podcast / radio / talk show hosts. In a way, it's kind of like how there are "good" stand-up comedians, and then there are stand-up comedians who know how to put on a show.

[plain aurora]

yep

i used to watch 7 days which was a kiwi comedy, but then they replaced the comedians and became lame

[timid ruin]

Sadly, not where I come from. There's a few good content, but it became overly political over the last decade, and often topics are created to be more "eye-catching" instead of being actually informative

They were great back in the 90's 00's, but the few recordings that reach me now are very fluctuating in quality

I guess it's down to funding, which is usually partially a government aid and partially ads, but you still need to be able to pull people in. And with so much great content being Spotify/Twitch/YT only and less restrictive, commercial radio is just kinda losing it slowly (again, specifically talking about my country of origin, with the language only being spoken by about 20mil people worldwide and 8-9mil-ish actually living there locally)

[timid ruin]

This makes me very nostalgic to the time my mum would take me to school while listening to the radio (which didn't happen often, so I mostly listened to overnight shows)

But morning shows were usually so much fun

[plain aurora]

yeah the ones here just so much rambling

[eternal seal]

😆

[wanton token]

For me it was either music or news

Though I grew nostalgic to the news intro

[marble frigate]

Sorry should have been more clear 😅 Jake Bellavance, the other guy with Plouffe on yesterday's fake PC gamer video

[plain aurora]

oh that video was great 🙂

[crude sandal]

Jake bell

I guess we can't use Twitter links anymore

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jakebellavance

[woeful crescent]

Oh so this discord blocked them too? Noted..

[autumn helm]

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/deepseek-might-not-be-as-disruptive-as-claimed-firm-reportedly-has-50-000-nvidia-gpus-and-spent-usd1-6-billion-on-buildouts

[void pivot]

50k Nvidia GPUs. Wow. They’re claiming a massive uplift on AMD chips for AI too.

[steep lance]

All the media swarm to attempt to build shareholder confidence.

[frozen agate]

One of my favourite standups is Urzila Carlson, she doesn't get enough credit for what she does in all honesty

At least not around where I am in the world

[tiny mauve]

I only know Urzila from Taskmaster NZ. She was definitely great, but she got overshadowed by David Correos

[odd grail]

Unintentional. Should be fixed now.

[woeful crescent]

I didn’t mind either way.. just been happening a lot 🙂

[drifting creek]

Wondering if USA tariffs will hurt LTT merch.
I need a new backpack...

How often were there 'codes' or sales on WAN? I'm actually considering buying something now

[restive rain]

Pretty much only during a release or holiday

[frozen agate]

She is definitely one of the more subtle talents

[woeful crescent]

+25% cost to everything.. so yes, I would expect it to hurt quite a bit..

[vagrant tide]

black friday is the really big sitewide one. no clue what the tariff situation will look like then

[woeful crescent]

Lime Days in July is quite big too..

[drifting creek]

Trying to decide which pack is right for me

[hardy sapphire]

you still got one month now

he paused it

[ancient cedar]

Only for mexico

[plain aurora]

Canada has the same extension now too.

[ancient cedar]

oh

neat

I haven't seen any actual news, only thumbnails

[plain aurora]

most likely before end of the week all will be extended

apparently trump is talking to china now.

[ancient cedar]

he's been on the same "wavelength" as jinpeng since his first term

That and uhh

Kim jong

He also met with Putin at one point, but I don't think Putin thinks very highly of Trump anymore

[plain aurora]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/02/03/us/trump-tariffs

[ancient cedar]

I see.

[plain aurora]

i am in NZ so had to do a google search but this pretty much sums it up without adding texture

[ancient cedar]

Yeah I'd say so

[small heath]

@plain aurora are u able to see the pilot toast chat

[plain aurora]

Yes why

[small heath]

I can't see it

And also can't see the blue on my name

Or urs

[tiny mauve]

Your name is def blue

[plain aurora]

yeah its def blue blue blue